TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #547: Healing America's Broken Food System with Courtney Swan

Episode Date: October 21, 2024

Marty sits down with Courtney Swan to discuss her fight with Kellogg's and the other corporations controlling America's food. Courtney's links: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/realfoodology/?hl=en Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/realfoodology/id1529008803 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKnDft-Ovm1iTfSN1kn957A Website: https://www.realfoodology.com/ 0:00 - Intro 1:15 - Kellogg's and GRAS 6:50 - Fiat food 10:01 - Obesity and Ozempic 12:41 - Unchained 13:32 - Food Pyramid and farm subsidies 18:52 - MAHA 22:46 - Corporations aren't handling it well 24:49 - Nutrition's effect on the mind 28:56 - Zaprite and SOTE 30:29 - Predatory marketing and parent responsibility 36:29 - Exposing corruption 40:08 - Bitcoin defends you from fiat food 42:06 - Policy change and accountability 48:43 - Bad economic incentives in modern medicine 58:38 - Raw milk, cow farts and other psyops 1:05:13 - Go cancel Kellogg's Shoutout to our sponsors: Unchained https://unchained.com/concierge/ Zaprite https://zaprite.com/tftc Salt of the Earth https://drinksote.com/tftc Join the TFTC Movement: Main YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TFTC21/videos Clips YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUQcW3jxfQfEUS8kqR5pJtQ Website https://tftc.io/ Twitter https://twitter.com/tftc21 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/tftc.io/ Nostr https://primal.net/tftc Follow Marty Bent: Twitter https://twitter.com/martybent Nostr https://primal.net/martybent Newsletter https://tftc.io/martys-bent/ Podcast https://www.tftc.io/tag/podcasts/

We have 10 companies that own the entirety of our food system. In the UK, the reason why they banned these is because they found that they cause hyperactivity in children. We're overdosing people on it. They are knowingly poisoning us at this point. You're either going to pay for it at the grocery store or you're going to pay for it significantly more later at the doctor's office. An American company is creating cleaner, healthier cereal for kids in other countries, and then they're creating a toxic version of it for here in the United States. Where is the outrage? Not only would they not speak to us,

one of their employees held a sign in the window that said, get off our lawn. And the reason why they're doing this is because you've had a dynamic where money's become freer than free. When you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts. So it's all acting like safe haven. I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor. I mean, that's part of the bull case for Bitcoin.

If you're not paying attention, you probably should be. Courtney, thank you for coming in. Thank you so much for having me. I'm very excited to be here. I'm very excited you're here. It's been a crazy week for you. this has been such a wild week it's been a wild month if i'm being honest i don't think i've ever flown so much for this movement which is so cool well it's a very important moment as my this is the first time i actually gotta give you props shout out the first time my wife has ever felt compelled to come in and sit on an episode recording she's here a big fan of yours and

like we were saying we've been very passionate about um the sort of idea behind your movement good healthy high quality food particularly for us and our children and I think what you guys are doing this week particularly going at Kellogg's is very important because most people are completely unaware of the arbitrary nature of what Kellogg's is producing for particular people in particular countries versus other countries yeah well first of all thank you also for sitting in this is so fun this is actually how I got connected was through your wife so I'm super grateful um yeah So for people listening that don't know what's going on right now, so, um, Vonnie Hari, also known as the food babe is a close friend of mine.

And we spoke at the Senate a couple of weeks ago and at the Senate, she announced that her and Jason Karp, who's the founder of Hugh kitchen, one of the founders, um, amazing chocolate bars. They announced that they were going to, um, create a petition for Kellogg's to take their artificial food dyes and BHT out of their cereals here in America, because what is happening right now is Kellogg's, an American company, is creating cleaner, healthier for you formulations of their cereal for kids in other countries. And then they're creating a toxic version of it for here in the United States, which to me is crazy because they're already creating this formulation

for other countries. And the reason why they're doing this is because in places like the UK, Australia, they're banning these artificial food dyes. And you know what they're using instead of the artificial food dyes they're coloring their cereal with carrot juice watermelon juice and blueberry juice but here in america we get artificial dyes that are made from crude oil and then they're also adding a preservative called bht in there which is banned in a lot of other countries because it's being linked to stomach cancer it's crazy yeah so this is is this what we hear about like red what is it red dye yeah six or yeah it's like red number four yellow number five blue number four i think there's a bunch of different ones and what are you gonna

say. Is this USDA regulation that's allowing this? Is this a lobby trying to use byproducts for their crude oil to get it into the food? I'm sure that's absolutely playing a role in that. The two main issues is one, it's cheaper for them to do this here. And legally, they're allowed to because there is a concept in the United States called grass, which is generally recognized as safe. And what that means is that we will pretty much put anything in our food supply, generally recognize it as safe and it isn't until it's proven to be guilty that we take it out of our food system later which is crazy and then you look at the uk it's generally recognized as safe yeah we're like generally we think it's safe i don't know about you but i want to definitively

know that it's safe before we put it into our food supply and that's exactly what they're doing in the uk it's the exact opposite they wait eight like up to eight to ten years to introduce a new product or a new ingredient into their food supply because they want to actually do the research before they put it in there to find out if it's going to harm people. But here we put it in and then we find out later that it's harming people. And you know how hard it is to get out of the food supply after that. We saw this happen with trans fats, otherwise known as hydrogenated oils. We found out later that those were absolutely detrimental to our cardiovascular system and food companies were eventually required to take it out of their food. But also when they announced

it, I don't remember the exact year, but they had like five years to take it out of their food. so it's crazy and that's what i am curious to find out is like how do we solve it because you think about like something like kellogg's all these large food companies they have these basically supply chains these manufacturing lines and they definitely have a process where like just taking it out is probably not as easy as one would like it to be but is do you think kellogg's is going to be forced to solve this problem or is it competitors because that's what we've done as competitors who are frying things and things like avocado oil or beef tallow just alternative products siete which just got bought by pepsi

funnily enough yeah are you worried about that like you know it's nuanced for me because we're so concerned about affordability and accessibility in this country and the way that we get those products to become more affordable and more accessible is they get the you know they get the distribution through PepsiCo. Yeah. So I'm kind of conflicted. I know the founders of Siete. I've known them for a long time and I love them. They're such a lovely family and I'm really stoked for them. And I think what's going to happen is it's going to make these products more accessible. I know a lot of people are concerned that they're going to change the ingredients. They're going to make them worse. So I do know that it's in the contract with PepsiCo

that they're not allowed to touch the ingredients for life. But, you know, there is concern that they're going to start sourcing from you know cheaper and and different um like it'll be the same ingredient but will it be as high quality we don't know and you know only time will tell so i get it i'm kind of on the fence where i'm like okay it's going to be more accessible people will be able to get it more like we'll be able to find siete at convenience stores and you know 7-elevens which i think would be great but we do have to worry a little bit about the quality so we'll see yeah yeah i mean this is such a big overarching problem because predominantly this is a bitcoin podcast and bitcoin what we really go after is like centralization of the money supply

like central banks governments controlling money has led to a deprecation in the quality of our monies globally bitcoin is a distributed sort of response to that and once you see it with money you see in other areas of life and food being one of them that's one of the massive problems in the food industry right now it's hyper centralized whether it's via pepsi kellogg's what is it, four meatpacking conglomerates that run most of that. Yep. We have 10 companies that own the entirety of our food system. Just 10 of them. It's pretty crazy. Yeah. And when it comes to the solution of this problem,

I mentioned I had Sam from Sure Tail Creek Farms on yesterday, a regenerative farmer servicing the local Austin area. And I guess the question I have based off of this is like, that is direct to consumer, but the consumer has to make a conscious effort to go out and seek that. you mentioned earlier cost is a big thing that people have to be conscious of and so it's just weighing the trade-off of how do you find quality food at an affordable price particularly an environment like today where inflation's high people are struggling yeah i mean look i tell

people all the time you first of all it's about education and understanding how dire the situation is unfortunately the situation that we're in right now if you're not making time for your wellness you are going to be forced to make time for your illness. You just are like people. I mean, just look around you. The obesity rates are raising, rising like crazy. Cancer is skyrocketing autoimmune disorders, cardiovascular disease, like you name it. I mean, probably everybody listening knows a handful of people that are dealing with all of this stuff right now, you know? And so unfortunately it's on us that we have to protect our health and become the CEO of our own health and a lot of that requires making sure that we're sourcing high quality real food and

another thing that you know I like to remind people of is that look there's no such thing as free lunch you know like you're either going to pay for it at the grocery store or you're going to pay for it significantly more later at the doctor's office and people don't like to think about that and a lot of people like to you know kick the can down the road and deal with it when when the time comes but I'm telling you the time will come it's not like if it's going to come it will come if you're not paying attention because unfortunately it's gotten so bad that we can't afford to not pay attention to it anymore no it's not even arguable i think it's a fact it's going to cost you more down down the line in health care costs oh for sure i mean if you

just look at like i mean ozempic is more like an elective thing for a lot well i don't know if i want to say it elective if you have diabetes but i mean those pens cost like twelve hundred dollars a month you know so it's like are you going to spend that on high quality organic healthy meats and real food? Or are you going to spend that on medications? And are you going to put that back into the healthcare system and spend significantly more money, you know, on surgeries and pharmaceutical drugs and all these other things, not to mention, not to mention you talk to anyone who's sick and who's going through something really major like cancer, they would do anything to not be in that position. They would pay any amount of money to be well, you know?

And you mentioned Ozempic. Is that an example? I've heard both sides of the story of Ozempic, Wagovi, all the other similar, what is it, GP? GLP-1s. GLP-1s. Is that another instance of something that's been introduced to the market? We maybe don't have enough back-tested data to understand how it actually affects us. So those ones are really interesting. I actually have a really good doctor friend. Her name is Dr. Tina, and she started diving into the research of this and what these GLP-1s, they're peptides that our bodies actually create. Her argument, which I think is a pretty strong argument based on the science and the data that she's been looking into, is that what's happening specifically, specifically things with like Ozempic and Wagovi is that we're overdosing people on it because essentially they're getting this dosing pen and everybody gets like the same dose. and she said that they're getting way too much so she's arguing that if you get a really small amount of glp-1s and she's saying get it from a compounding pharmacy because also you know with these big pharmaceutical companies we don't know what kind of preservatives and other additives

they're adding in that's a big concern too and she also thinks that that's probably part of the issue as well and she's a huge advocate for getting really small doses of these glp-1s just to stimulate the metabolism help help people get back on track and you know what to be honest I kind of agree with her because we are, we're at this place right now where it is such a mess. So many people are so overweight. So many people are dealing with diabetes that it's not going to be as easy to turn this ship around without some sort of, at least a little bit of like an intervention. If it's, if you've gotten really too far and this is coming from, let me be very, very clear. Anybody that doesn't know about my message, I am number one for always and ever an

advocate for cleaning up your diet and eating a whole real food diet. I'm not here advocating for any sort of, you know, a pill for an ill, like that's not what I'm saying. But there are some people that are so far down the road that may be doing a small dose of a GLP-1 just to help them get back to a more balanced weight. I'm not super opposed to it. Yeah. Yeah. Because the problem is massive. I mean, you mentioned the diabetes, the severe obesity. You look at childhood obesity, it's approaching 50 oh yeah it's approaching 50 and americans uh adults are at close to 74 now it's and you think about the small time frame that's happened i mean i encourage people listening to go back and google photos of people in the 70s 70s beach pictures and then you fast

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i mean one can make an argument the regulatory environment that's been erected over the last 50 years is actively poisoning american citizens and you know what else happened around then too was the low fat diet movement and that really destroyed us too because we need good healthy fats turns out they're imperative and they also keep us at a healthy weight which is really interesting um and how oh i was going to say something else and it totally left my brain so but another thing that happened have you read matthew legiac's fiat food uh no i actually even i haven't even heard of that book it's uh so matthew's investigative journalist he read the fiat standard which is the book right next to that and in that um in the fiat standard they

have a chapter called fiat food and basically the thesis of the fiat standard is when we went off the gold standard that's when we saw a bunch of negative externalities introduce themselves into the economy not sure if you ever heard of the site wtf happened in 1971 um but you go back you look at charts health economics quality of life uh birth rate all that in 1971 uh many people have different arguments for what happened safe and matthew we're making the argument that uh it was because we went off the gold standard and the argument that matthew specifically makes is when we went off the gold standard the government was put in this position where uh food costs were the most uh most sort of important cost in in everyday americans life at that point in time and to make

it seem like food costs weren't going down they introduced the food pyramid and began loosening regulations so that you can get all this cheap uh preservatives and cheap crap into our food system so it looked like food prices were staying flat to going down when in reality high quality foods like quality beef eggs quality chickens high fat foods were going up but that just wasn't being included in cpi and in the food pyramid so they're actually actively pushing people towards this crap so that they could hide inflation when they ripped us off the gold standard that's crazy you also think about too so a lot of people probably don't know this but are we have cheaper food that's more accessible because we're paying subsidies to farmers and we're paying them so

what that means is we're using our own taxpaying dollars. So it's not even that we're not paying for it. We're just paying for it in a way that we're not seeing. We're paying these to farmers to grow specific crops like corn, wheat, and soy. And that's why when you pick up almost any packaged food, you'll see on the label, it says contains corn, wheat, and soy. And it's because we're paying subsidies to make these seem cheaper, but they're not actually that much cheaper because we're really just paying for them in a different way yeah it's not even i would not argue but i would imagine it's not even fully tax taxpayer funded it's probably partly funded but tax dollars but they probably just issue treasuries um raise cash and then funnel it there as well

and so that's where that's why um i love the intersection that the show has with individuals like yourself and others in the the health conscious and the food conscious um part of the world because that's what we've been saying in this at the bitcoin commons like bitcoiners like we recognize that we messed up the money and money has these negative externalities all throughout every area of our life and food is something that's very that we're very passionate about as well um here in the bitcoin community healthy food and i think there's some synergies to like line up say this problem's massive and it's partly because they messed up the money like you can go subsidize all this crap because you can just print money out of thin air so i don't

know too much about this subject and i wish i could speak more about it but my fiance is like very very into this and he had me watch a documentary recently oh my god i wish i could remember what it was called and they were explaining this to me and i don't even know if i could explain it back because i it's a new concept to me but essentially like how we're just how we're like printing money and we're doing like ious between like the treasury and someone else The Federal Reserve. Yes, exactly. So the Federal Reserve monetizes the Treasury's debt.

The Treasury can issue debt, raise cash, and then the Fed will always be there to buy the bonds. So the Fed can create money, buy the bonds. And it's a whole racket, but we don't have to get deep into monetary economics. But you're right. It is cool to see the parallels of it. I always say something similarly to what you said a minute ago is that food was the first thing that opened my eyes to this, to the corruption of what was going on. And now I just see that it's copy and paste

in almost every industry in the United States in some way or another. The corruption is really deep. It's a problem when you have centralized forces. You can't centrally plan an economy. You can't centrally plan money, food, healthcare. Centralization ruins everything, in my opinion. But getting back to like, it does feel like,

despite everything we've just said, there is extremely positive momentum in the right direction like the the noise that yourself uh dr means uh his sister uh others have made particularly on capitol hill a few weeks ago people are connecting with it like my wife was saying right before we started recording she's seeing friends in her circle that would never talk about this stuff actually sharing it and saying oh my god i can't believe this is true and that's one thing that is exciting i don't like to get too political but leading up to this election the fact that maha has become a theme is something that i'm just extremely thankful for yeah oh my gosh i'm so excited about this whole movement

i feel like i have been waiting like 15 years for this to happen i mean and i feel like i've been just like screaming into a void and nobody has been listening to me i'm like you guys this is really bad we need to pay attention to this you know i mean when we have 77 of our young adults between the ages of 18 and 24 that are ineligible to serve military that's a national security issue this is a really big deal and nobody has been talking about this on a political platform until this year so when rfk came out and aligned himself with trump and we don't have to go political i'm happy to go as political as you want but we also don't have to because i know it can be very divisive but i am here for one specific movement and that's the make america healthy again because like i said

this to me is the most pressing issue that we're dealing with right now and there is basically one person talking about it on a political stage yeah it's crazy that there's not more and it's such a stark juxtaposition to the last time i can remember health being uh sort of front and center in the political stage is when michelle obama labeled tomato sauce as as a acceptable vegetable a healthy vegetable that can be injected into our public school. So I want to talk about that for a second because Michelle Obama was this hero, right? Where everybody was like, Oh, she's trying to get kids healthier. And let me tell you that she sold us out. And I was pissed off about it because in

the very beginning I was fully on board with her. I was like, yes, like she was talking about the food and she was saying that we need to get all the preservatives out. And there's a big issue here. We're eating a lot of processed foods. And then all of a sudden she kind of disappeared for a second. And then she came back and she was like, it's all about moving our bodies. And then her movement was sponsored by, I don't remember the exact brands, but it was, you know, Kellogg's and general mills and, and of the, that kind of nature. And essentially what happened is big food who has a lot of money. And when I say big food, I'm talking about these big conglomerates that I mentioned earlier, like the 10 companies that own our food system got ahold of her messaging

And they said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We can't get our, these kids to stop eating our processed foods. So we're just going to tell everybody that it's actually that they're not moving their bodies enough and they need to be more active. I'm not vilifying getting more active, but we need to start at the source, which is the food. And her whole movement was co-opted by that. And now she just released a, like a healthier for you soda or something for children that

has so much sugar in it. Sorry, I'm not stoked with her whole movement. And it was completely co-opted by big food. And this is what we're talking about, the centralization of all of it. These companies have so much money and so much power that they are lobbying in Washington, and they're getting politicians and first ladies and presidents in their back pocket. Yeah, well, and that's the whole messed up thing about the interconnected systems, because they can issue treasuries, print money, give it to these companies in subsidies,

and then the companies can then use that money partly to grow the shit food, and then partly to give it to the politicians so they get their way they're paying for their campaigns and with this in mind like what is the response from big food been like to the noise that you guys have been making over the last month i mean for years but particularly the last month so we should talk about monsanto in a second but i'll talk about specifically what's happening right now so with kellogg's they have been deafeningly silent which is going to be very interesting what's going to see in the next couple weeks because um vani hari the food babe has done petitions like this before she went to craft headquarters in i think i want to say it was

like maybe 2017 something like that and she only had a handful of people with her by the way when we showed up yesterday we had a thousand people with us thousand plus we had over 400 000 signatures from americans that are concerned about these dyes and they all signed the petition and we showed up not only would they not speak to us one of their employees held a sign in the window that said get off her lawn that isn't i mean this is a really bad look for them okay boomer literally i mean craft y'all craft opened their doors for vonnie and at least let her in and she got to have a full-blown conversation with them and you know what actually they they ended up taking their dyes out which was really incredible because there was so much pressure from the public

kellogg's wouldn't even have a conversation with her this is what's so crazy to me now this is horrible but you know what Kellogg's would have done they should have done if they were smart they should have said okay we're going to entertain this and then you know tell her that we're going to take these out and we're listening to you and whatever and then they never do but they look like heroes now they really look like villains which honestly I said yesterday this could not have been a better response because I think that if they had said like yeah yeah yeah we're listening and we're going to take it out and never did I mean that would have been that have been horrible right but now people are going to boycott them and i think they're going to be

forced to do something they're going to be forced to do it eventually because california just signed a law that they're no longer allowing these artificial dyes in their food at schools so doesn't happen often but props for props are due to the state of california that's like the first good thing newsom has ever done i was really shocked by that actually i was like oh wow he actually did like one good thing but it is astonishing that we have to fight this hard to get these poisons out of our food system i mean you talk about the direct um health effects particularly like cancer inflammation autoimmune issues then you look at the education system too and what's not talked about as most is like how hyperactive this makes kids and you look

at um testing scores throughout the years and they're going down and people are like what's going on public school system is getting worse it's obviously multifaceted of course problem and And I think one of the biggest issues is the food, and I've experienced this firsthand in college. I volunteered at an inner-city lacrosse program in Chicago, and I traveled to the south side and west side of Chicago and spent two or three days a week after school with these kids for two years. And that was, like, the one thing I noticed is they couldn't pay attention in their food source. They lived in food deserts, so they're getting honey buns and sugary drinks at the gas station before they came to school. and people are like, oh, why can't these kids pay attention?

It's like, they're eating shit. I mean, we're hopping them up on sugar and then we're hopping them up on these dyes, which by the way, in the UK, the reason why they banned these is because they found that they cause hyperactivity in children. We already know, yes, there's studies that show this.

And then I have, you know, of course this is anecdotal, but we have the studies to back it up from the UK. And then anecdotally, I can't tell you how many messages I've been getting from moms recently that have said, thank you so much for doing this. I mean, I had this one mom the other day that wrote me And she goes, I know this sounds kind of crazy, but every time my kid has this artificial dye, she comes home and she was like, it's like the exorcist.

Like she has these crazy tantrums and so many parents are starting to make these connections that their kids will go to a birthday party and they'll have all these artificial dyes and the candy and you know, the cake icing and all this stuff. And they said, they'll come home and they have full blown meltdowns. And you think about the second and third order knock on effects. It's been completely misdiagnosed where it's like, oh, your kid has ADHD. We need to put them on Adderall starting at age 12 and then you have a whole generation of individuals, millennials specifically.

I mean, Adderall was very prevalent when I was in high school and you have a generation of adults now who've been on this amphetamine for two decades and what are the long-term effects of that? What are the long-term health costs of that? And it's like we're not striking at the root of the problem and you're trying to treat it with pills and other other remedies. And it's completely neglecting the core of the problem, which is we messed up the food, which provides us with the energy that allows us to go use our brains to do things throughout throughout the world. Exactly. Isn't it mind blowing that it's taken us this long to even acknowledge and recognize that the foods that we're putting in our body have an effect on our brain and our overall health? it's like how i don't know i just it's mind-blowing to me that as a society and a collective that we

haven't figured this out sooner and i would argue that we on a large scale haven't even figured it out yet because there's people like myself that are fighting for this and then being called anti-science and over fear-mongering and you know the whole slew of things how are people calling you anti-science what are the arguments they're making because the big argument right now and actually Kellogg just gave a statement yesterday to a news outlet the big argument is that they are going by the laws and the regulations that have been set by the FDA and the USDA but like we've been talking about this whole episode I mean look there's this common misconception that people think that if it's on the shelf in America that it's been vetted for

and that it's safe I'm here to tell you it's just not the case the FDA themselves they have admitted they have admitted themselves that they do not have the manpower to overlook all of the additives that are in our food supply. I'll give you an example. In the UK, they allow around 300 additives in their food supply. We allow between 3,000 and 4,000 additives that are allowed. 10x. Yeah. And it's because we have this system called GROSS that I told you earlier, that we're just like, oh, just let it in and we'll figure out later if it's bad. This rip was also brought to you by good friends at ZapRite. If you're a Bitcoiner and run a

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you'll get 15 off i'm telling you get on it freaks you're gonna love this stuff a lot of these additives are intentionally put in to make these foods more addictive 100 well that's what's crazy about the artificial food dyes in particular they serve no value whatsoever outside of cosmetic they don't they don't preserve them they don't make them taste any better it's fully just to make them brighter colors and kellogg's has also admitted that they've done studies on kids and the kids are gravitate towards the higher like the brighter more like neon colored food dye so that's the thing is that it directly affects their profits because they know that the kids are going to reach more for the brightly colored stuff and that's why they put it in there yeah

i mean it's very predatory it's incredibly it's incredibly predatory which i mean getting to the solution of the problem my wife and i'm very focused on this like it has to parents have to take responsibility in some regard and really say, no, we're going to actively and consciously avoid this stuff and be the adults in the room when, uh, the boys are reaching for the, the brightly colored, um, things in the middle of the grocery aisle and say, no, we don't need that. Yeah. And look, I'm not a parent yet. I hope to be one someday. I can only imagine how hard that is. I used to nanny, I used to nanny and I know a little bit about, you know, taking them to the grocery store and fighting with them because I'm like no your mom doesn't want me to buy this for

you and also just knowing what it would do to their bodies I know that it's hard but again like you said you are the adult in the room and I don't understand what's happening with parents right now like I'm not trying to like vilify or shame them but it feels like there's this thing happening right now where they're letting the kids drive the car and I don't understand why that is I don't know if parents are like scared that their kids are going to hate them or oh have you heard of gentle parenting i was just gonna say the gentle parenting yeah we hate the gentle parenting yeah i'm not a fan of that at all you sit down hey i know you're i know you're a little frustrated right now and uh i understand i have compassion i feel for you it's just uh not the way i think

i prefer the french way of parenting which is like you are on this journey with me i am the adults and um but look you're the adult these kids don't know any better their frontal lobes aren't even formed yet like your entire role as a parent is to protect your kids from being harmed that's literally your only role and you can't your kids don't know enough they don't know that they're being harmed by these products and i'm sorry unfortunately your kids are being harmed by these products and you have to be the adult in the room and you have to say no because that's your number one role as a parent is to protect your kids yeah and anybody listening out there doesn't understand humans, we have the hardest job at this. If you're an animal, it takes like, what, six months for

your, your, your fawn or your doe to be able to go out and into the world by themselves. Humans, literally 25 years until your brain's fully formed. I know. And it's, you know, and that's one of the things you sign up for to be a parent and it's the harder part of your role. But let me tell you i had a mom growing up who was very on food and nutrition since i was a kid i was very fortunate my mom was making everything from scratch i mean i remember very vividly her cranking out homemade pasta on the counter and i'd be sitting on the counter like catching this like pasta that she made from scratch and i know not everyone has that but i was really upset as a kid with my mom because i had this one girlfriend who was getting burger king i mean four to five

times a week and this friend of mine has struggled with her weight her whole life she's struggled with health issues her whole life and i was so mad at my mom when i was little and i would get in fights with her and i'd be like i don't understand i want the dunkaroos and i want the burger king and i want all this stuff but when i grew up and i realized how hard my mom fought for my health i mean i'm gonna get emotional about it that's the best that's the greatest gift my mom has ever given me that's truly the best gift you could ever give your children so if your children are fighting you on it right now they one day they will be so grateful that they're not infertile like all their friends are that they're not struggling with their weight that they don't

have auto autoimmune conditions and heart issues because you actually protected them from this annihilation that's happening in our food don't want to make her blush in front of a very proud husband that's our oldest's favorite thing to do is make pasta and meatballs with my wife he's got his own apron he's got his own set of plastic knives i love that he gets into it and get your kids involved because that's really how they will be more excited about the food because if you get them involved and they're going to want to eat what they make yeah and it's important like the decisions you make i think that's what we're coming later decisions you make in these early years the most formative years i mean particularly like ages zero to six

when their brains are forming as rapidly as they are like the decisions you make in these early years have a compounding effect down the line and they do people are just feeding their children shit um and we're not saints like we certainly have uh moments of weakness where it's like all right we're gonna stop it in and out on the way home but i think it's a balance and a trade-off that you really have to focus on and put effort into exactly look i'm of the mind like i don't sit here as a perfectionist either i think some people see my account online and they think that i'm just like this you know rigid person about everything i'm not i eat out with my friends and I don't ask what the cooking oils are. And you know, like sometimes like you do the best you can.

My thing is like control the controllables, control the things that you like 100% have control over and you have 100% control over everything that comes in your home. So do that. Maybe do a thing where like you make sure that you're eating mostly whole real foods at home. You're bringing in the best groceries that you can. You're getting the highest quality meats. You're buying, you know, whole real foods. That way your body is resilient. And then when you go out to eat you can have a free-for-all and go to in and out and do that you know my thing is like just don't go to in and out every day yeah cook as many meals as you can at home that way when you do want to go out and enjoy things with your friends or your family you can your body's

resilient and so with what's going on right now with maha picking up steam what is your hope for the next six months one year five like how like where do you want this momentum to go And what actionable thing, particularly out of this Kellogg's event, do you want to see or are you hopeful for? Yeah, well, I mean, first and foremost, I'm hoping that more Americans are waking up to what's actually going on because I think the corruption runs so deep in our government and our regulatory bodies that I have a little bit of hope. I have a lot more hope if RFK is able to get into that office that we're actually going to be able to clean from the inside out. Um, I'm actually incredibly hopeful with RFK junior on our side, but I also think a lot of this is going to have to come from the bottom up where we're going to

have to essentially squeeze the, we're going to have to take away the profits from these companies. You know, this is something that I, I love to remind people all the time that you as a consumer have a lot of power in this actually. Um, Jason Karp, who I mentioned earlier, he's the founder of Hugh chocolate. So he's been in this world for a long time. And he said at our Senate hearing, he said, you know, some of these companies lose just 5% of their sales because people are saying like, we don't want to buy this anymore until you take this crap out. They will change. Cause he said, even 5%, they're going to go, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. Cause he said, he's seen it before. So if we just start demanding better from these food companies by saying, we're not

going to do this anymore, we're not going to buy this anymore. And we're not going to allow you to poison us anymore. And you start putting your money into these amazing companies like that farm, the farmers that you were just talking about, or, you know, find local organic farmers and ranchers that are actually growing real food and are creating food with love and with your health in mind, we actually have the power to make a pretty big change in this movement. So I'm hoping to see a little bit of both. I'm hoping to see some of these regulatory agencies and bodies being held accountable, draining the swamp, if you will, getting these corrupt people out of there that don't care anything about our human health and that are

just taking profit from all these, you know, large companies like Monsanto and Bay or Bayer now. Um, and then I'm also really hoping to see a movement from the American people that are just like, we've had enough. We're demanding better for us. Yeah. You'd think, uh, I mean, some people are still, uh, had their head in the sand, a little cognitive dissonance, but, uh, what the FDA was pushing between the years of 2020 and 2023, I think people would wake up and say, maybe, uh they don't have our best interests at heart oh my god all they care about is profits literally it's all they care about it's a revolving door you literally have somebody go straight from the fda to the board of pfizer i just talked about that on another podcast i don't think people

understand how insidious it is and i don't know if it's that i think maybe some people can't handle because it really it's it's truly it's like evil and it's it's hard to understand that this is happening but it is like you said we saw it happening during covet and you have to think about it from a corporation standpoint people don't know you as an individual person they're not seeing these as like human beings that their lives are being affected they're just seeing their numbers that are coming in you know and they have quotas that they have to meet they're seeing the quotas they're not seeing like oh you know your your dad died from this yeah you are a cell in an Excel, a cell in an Excel spreadsheet to them.

Exactly. Not even a whole cell. You're just part of the number in the cell. Yeah. You're just a number on a spreadsheet. Yeah. And that's hard for a lot of people to swallow and I get it, but it's also like, it's the reality of the situation, you know?

No, we're, we're talking the same language. We're sympathetic. Exactly what we say. You have to defund these people at the end of the day. And if you can't do it via political means, like literally going through the political process to get people in position to cut uh these agencies which i i actually am hopeful that it will happen this time around if trump gets elected um like you said it has to be ground up too you have to attack from all angles attack from that angle educate try to work through the political

process but then grassroots and that's why bitcoin like a bitcoin successful in replacing the dollar as a reserve asset they can't print bitcoin to subsidize high fructose corn syrup and um the big pharma industry uh it sort of defangs their ability to do that and forces them to make good decisions and allocate money appropriately yeah it'd be really interesting to see what happens with all of that world with the bitcoin and decentralization decentralization banking and all that like i said i don't know much but my fiance is so into it and i'm like wow this but that's cool the connection you just made with the food is really interesting my fiance will be stoked to hear that the they had to keep inflation down so they had to put a bunch

of crap in to make it uh they call it uh hedonic adjustments the fed does are the bureau of labels labor statistics who creates the cpi they create these hedonic adjustments where in 1971 um they had a ribeye in the in the basket of goods that was tracking inflation but throughout time they you see donic adjustments and that ribeye is now like ground beef or catalog cereal and so you have they're basically changing the quality of the goods in the cpi to make it look like uh inflation is lower but really if you want the highly nutritious nutritiously dense foods like those numbers have gone astronomical yeah that's crazy yeah corny thank you for doing what you do thank you are you uh you've got you've got a busy schedule ahead of

you right i do up until this election there's a lot of stuff going on right now it's been really cool to see um there's been this little make america healthy again coalition that's been formed and it was really um cali means has kind of been spearheading all this because he's uh he's consulting with rfk jr now about like certain policies that need to be changed And we have this little group of people with his sister, Dr. Casey Means, Will Cole, everyone that spoke at the Senate, basically, like Brigham Bueller, who's amazing. And then obviously, of course, RFK Jr. And so we're hoping to really move the needle on all of this. So we'll see. What policies do you think need to be changed out of the low hanging fruits? Oh, my gosh. Well, I mean, I don't know if I can think of direct policies, but I would say more in general, what needs to happen is we need to have people in our regulatory agencies that are not corrupted and being paid for by big pharma companies like Pfizer.

Like you said, there's this whole revolving door between Pfizer and FDA. And that's happening across the board. Like we're seeing that with food companies, with big pharma companies, with big agricultural companies. um so i think in general we just we need to get the corrupt people out of there and we actually need to get people in place that really care about our health and that are do you think we even need the fda that's such a good question we've got we went through this with baby formula um serenity kids the baby formula that we used with our children and it's not fda approved um but it's It's, I think, inarguably the most nutritionally dense, not filled with corn syrup and seed oils. Exactly.

They use a healthier oil. They use a couple of healthier oils. And yeah, it's like grass-fed milk. So I do believe that we need to have an FDA, but I believe that they need to completely be uprooted and their entire prerogative needs to be changed. So like, for example, they need to be in charge of making sure that glyphosate isn't ending up in our food. They need to be making sure that, um, genetically modified organisms aren't in our food, like things like that, where they're not regulating any, I mean, they don't even, or like turning the frogs gay, the water's turning the frogs gay. Oh my God. It's so funny. I know.

but you know, what's crazy is that is true. It's right again. Yeah. It's a chemical called atrazine that's, that's ending up in our, our water supply. And it's, it's similar to like glyphosate and all these other chemicals that are ending up in our food. Um, uh, it was half joking. I mean, it is true. It's happening, but the other like accountability is what I want to see. And like, thank God I brought this up before, um, you left, but like fluoride last week, just come out they're like oh yeah we've been um we've been calcifying your amygdalas for the last 50 years that's pretty bad for you it's lowering iqs and like all right thanks for letting us know but what are the repercussions of just nonchalantly admitting that to the country oh yeah and they're

just like oh anyways like and then they get a little sop on the wrist or you know maybe they don't get anything yeah it's like the government like who's nobody's holding them accountable accountable i know and it's so maddening because that's one of the ones that that was the nih correct i believe came out and admitted that i think it was nih and there was also a cochran report that just came out about it um a couple weeks ago but yeah i mean that it's that's crazy there's so and there's so many of these kind of things happening and then they're not even being held accountable at all even though like fluoride for example this is something i've been talking about for 15 to like 18 years and i've been called crazy i've been called a conspiracy theorist all

this stuff like this is stuff that we know we we already know that it's harming people but it's taking so long for our regulatory bodies to get on and a lot of it is because there's so much industry funding that you know they're blocking like i'm i'm assuming i don't know but i'm assuming the american dental association probably has been trying to block this from coming out like there's there's industries involved that don't want to have to change their ways yeah and i mean it is a racket too because you go to the dentist and you tell the dentist you're your kids teeth checked up you're like don't give them any fluoride and they're like what and they're like your kids they lambast you similarly like you're in the delivery room you're like i don't

want my kid to get the the hep b shot like 30 seconds out of the womb they're yeah brow beating you and they're and that's the particularly like on the big pharma hospital system side there is this probably the dental side too there is this economic incentive to push this stuff on people which is again going into incentives and the interworkings between these different actors like the incentives are completely bored where it's not really they're not really incentivized to help the end customer the patient they are incentivized to enrich each other exactly like i said earlier they have all these quotas to meet pharmaceutical drugs to to sell like doctors have a quota they have to meet every month with certain pharmaceutical companies and it's not in the best

interest of our health and i was actually having a conversation with somebody the other day about this what makes me so mad is that this is stunting our ability to progress science forward right now because essentially what's happening is we're finding out things like for example that fluoride is actually lowering our kids iqs we're finding out that glyphosate is causing non-hodgkin's lymphoma but these industries have so much money that they're blocking this from coming out in the public so now they're blocking the studies from being made we're also blocking any sort of of scientific um moving forward in order to to find new ways to do it better that's the problem is we're blocking all of this so we're not even able to one get the education out to people to

let them know that they're being harmed and then two we're not funding anything to figure out like okay so now we know that this is bad how can we do this better without harming people you know like hydroxyapatite we can replace fluoride with hydroxyapatite and it remineralizes the bones and it works great it's in in my opinion i think it works better than fluoride does i've been told this by dentists i know i'm not a dentist but this is what i've been told and then it's not harming your body like fluoride is i haven't i was completely unaware of hydroxy it's called hydroxy appetite so there's a there's a bunch of different toothpaste companies that make fluoride free toothpaste and they put this element called hydroxy appetite in there instead

and actually if you want to find a dentist that uses that you can look up biological dentists and i don't i haven't looked in austin but i've been able to find one in denver i've found one in la and they generally use hydroxyapatite over fluoride all right that's good to know yeah that's good to know and like think about where we would be as a society if we didn't have these poisons in our life i know people would be thriving well that like people would be thriving and we i think we just have to accept there's nothing we can do it's happened to us for the last 50 years but educate people make them aware of this and then paint a picture of once we get all this crap out of our lives like how healthy would society be what would that do for health

care costs what would that do for the ability um for young individuals actually develop a fully functioning brain and think clearly and not be hyperactive like what knock-on effects does that have on society more broadly oh my god i mean think of all just think of all the innovation that we could have you know be having like to come out of america but you know you look at also like we haven't even talked about this all but mental health like mental health is I mean it's really bad especially among teenagers and young adults right now and a lot of it is connected back to the food and people don't want to admit it but look we have a direct connection between our gut and our brain and it's called the vagus nerve and it runs directly from your gut to your

brain they say that our gut is our second brain and we we produce our hormones like serotonin the happy hormone in our guts also our immune system is about 70 located in our gut all of this is connected and for some reason as a society as a whole we don't want to recognize that and i don't understand why but it is it's hindering us in every way possible i mean all of our young adults their kids their their brains are inflamed and no wonder they can't pay attention and it's hindering us as a society yeah it's like oh yeah mental problems here's an ssri it's like like that's the best we can do and look i think there's a time and a place for them but i think that we're handing them out like candy and we're handing them out to people that are just severely inflamed and

if they could just get their guts in order and eat a healthier diet many people may not even need it yeah and it is again going back to millennials i feel like our generation particularly were fed all this as a solution now like looking around um a lot of individuals um that i know who have been on this stuff for decades and are trying to start families and are trying to wean themselves. They're finding it extremely hard. It's not easy. And that's, that's the problem, you know, like I, I never want to vilify anybody's path and I don't want to vilify, you know, modern medicine. I'm so grateful we have it because we wouldn't be here without things like antibiotics, right. And amazing progress that we've made in that realm. But we're also in other ways, stunting ourselves

because we don't know the long-term effects of a lot of this stuff. And if, if there's another way out and if we're able to heal our bodies in other ways without having these pharmaceutical interventions that come with side effects think about all the drug commercials and you hear them list off all the side effects i'm sorry there's not a single pharmaceutical drug on this planet that doesn't have side effects that's i mean we probably don't have time to fully jump down that rabbit hole but we're the one of two countries in the world that can actually market pharmaceuticals us in new zealand yeah and i'm hoping that will change too that's another thing you asked me earlier i'm hoping that will change yeah i mean that seems like a no-brainer yeah i mean and we

could change that's the thing is so much of this stuff we could literally change overnight we could change it overnight yeah we just block those ads from being able to be shown in the u.s like 98 percent of the world has has that law in place literally and then people wonder why we're the most overly medicated country it's because we have direct-to-consumer ads with big pharma yeah You go, Oh, I saw this on TV. Can I have that? Yeah, sure. Why not? I'm going to get a little kickback on it. So here you go. And what makes me so mad is people are not being communicated with the fact that there are other ways out of this. Like there are other ways that you can deal with this kind of stuff. Obviously, again, there's always maybe a time and a place for it, but so

many people are coming in with so many issues and doctors are just handing them like drugs, like candy, instead of asking them like, how's your sleep? What's your diet look like? Maybe we should run some tests let's look and see if you have any vitamin deficiencies that's been one of the most amazing things about austin is that there are doctors we've been blessed finding doctors that that approach health this way and treating ailments this way and that's another thing that makes you whole there's a lot of black pills and dooming going on but there are there is a lot of optimism a lot of white pills out there and i do think they're whether it's individuals like yourself our family making the conscious decision to eat healthier and live a healthier

lifestyle i'm also seeing it like on the doctor front there are definitely still a majority of doctors who are stuck in that hyper-industrialized system that's grown up over many decades but there are doctors out there with consciences that are really not only providing a good service but marketing too because more and more people are looking for it and so there's an opportunity out there if you are a doctor with a conscience to actually build a good business because people are starving for they're starving good information and good advice yeah and look i'll say about doctors i i think they all start out with really good intentions what happens is they end up in this system that's been co-opted by big pharma and then their hands are tied behind their backs

i'm actually doing a podcast episode with a guy um tomorrow his name is brigham bueller he's been on joe rogan talking about this actually because his world he comes from he was a drug rep um for i believe it was eli lilly and he started seeing the inner workings of how just how corrupt you know our big pharma is and our insurance companies and how like once you're well first of all you go through medical system the medical system um the schooling the majority of your education has been funded by these big pharma companies so they're getting their education from the pharmaceutical companies themselves. They're essentially being taught to treat symptoms with a pill. So they, they start to match symptoms with a pill instead of like, Oh, that symptom, maybe something's

happening in the body. And again, I'm not vilifying the doctors for this, but they, they go in with good intentions and then they come out indoctrinated in this system that they're sometimes maybe not even fully aware that they're not helping their patients. We could dive down a deep Rockefeller. Oh God, the Rockefeller stuff is, That's what started all this, right? I know. They funded it back in the 20s or early 1910s.

They co-opted the medical system and essentially they took out any sort of natural holistic remedy because they were like, we want to cut all of this out. They called it quack science and said, we're just going to we're going to start putting everybody on pharmaceutical drugs. And I can't remember. There's there's parts of stories that I don't remember specifically, but there was something with like crude oil, how they were able to start creating. i mean they had um standard oil yeah exactly monopoly and they needed something for the the byproducts of that oil production yep because i think this was also around a time when there was like you know they called them like the witch doctors and all that and people that there were people in that snake oil salesman exactly that were truly harming people you know and so obviously

everybody jumped on because they're like okay these people are harming people and you know They're selling them tonics and shit that doesn't actually work. But the issue is that then we also took out all this wisdom, this ancient wisdom that we've had passed down. Built over millennia. Yeah, that we've had passed down forever, that all of us are born with. We have this innate wisdom on how to take care of ourselves and how to feed ourselves.

And also, I'm of the mind that nature gives us everything that we need. Think about honey, for example. This is a perfect example. if you're dealing with allergies go get a honey from a local community near you and that will actually help treat your allergies that you're dealing with in your area that you're living in and it's things like that where i'm like we could never recreate that as humans because we don't even understand how that works it's funny you mentioned that i was i'm from philadelphia originally i was home last weekend for a wedding and had an allergy attack and asked my mom where

I could get some local honey and explain to her. That's why I wanted it. And she was like, are you crazy? It's like, yeah, this is, this is cuz I have it when we first moved down here, cedar fever hit me like a ton of bricks and going to the local farmer market and finding local honey actually helped. Like I, I haven't had cedar fever in a couple of years. Wow.

I mean, it's little things like that. And we just completely rid the entire medical system of that. And now we call that quack science and it's like, how do people think that we got here as humans for thousands of years before we had all these medical interventions. And again, because people come at me so hard for this, I'm not vilifying modern medicine. All I'm saying is that we need to find a balance

in the middle of it, where we need to recognize that, you know, the majority of pharmaceutical drugs, they come from compounds that naturally occur already in nature. That's how they start making their pharmaceutical drugs. And then they make them synthetically. So it's like- You put a higher margin on that.

Exactly. And, well, and that's, so that's the issue right there is that they cannot patent things that were made in nature. So what they do is they try to copy them so that they can patent them and then put a high price tag on it and make money off of it. That's another, yeah, that's another whole part of the whacked incentives is the, the patents on this stuff. And there's, it does take a lot of R and D to make this stuff and get it to market.

And so there is an argument, like they invested the capital, they should be of charge for a certain amount of time to make a profit but again it's the root of the problem that they're just trying to replicate things that already naturally exist in nature and they're preventing you from accessing that that's where the incentive is completely whack yep and then they create narratives around that it's dangerous and it's anti-science to go for the natural things raw milk the biggest tie-up it's just exactly it was just milk for thousands of years i know yeah that one's been a wild one to see because they are literally sending um i don't know what from what governing body it is is it the fda that's going after them i think it's the fda

that's going after them they're going after these small local farmers in pennsylvania um amos miller uh the i think it's the like attorney general office in pennsylvania is going after him specifically you know what really pisses me off about this we have people literally dying from fennel every single day on our streets and they're more worried about people consuming raw milk yeah you know how many people have died from raw milk this year like one i don't even actually i think it's in the last like 10 years it's been like one person and well so i had a reporter covering the amos miller case and um they're trying to tie it to him coming from this farm and it turns out it was a 90 year old woman um who had drank the milk like two months prior and she died of something

obscure in the middle of the night in florida like a thousand miles away a couple months later and they tied it back to him yeah see but that's what i'm saying yeah it's we're in this weird space right now where we're vilifying all of the foods that we've been consuming for thousands of years and blaming them for modern diseases and this is i'm like for so obviously we're vilifying raw milk right now we're also vilifying eggs and butter and red meat and telling people that they're causing the modern diseases that we're dealing with and i just back to what i just said how are we justifying that we have all these people dying from fentanyl and then our regulatory bodies are going after these small farms that are mad about raw milk and we're telling everybody that

ground beef and eggs are less healthy for you than lucky charms and that eggs and ground beef for causing heart attacks and if they're not causing heart attacks they're causing global warming oh my god don't even get me started the cow farts we gotta we gotta don't even get me all the cows i can't you know it's it's our industrialization of our modern farming that's causing that and it's cars i mean he he i think that it's all aside i think we're going to be fine but coming after cow farts for global war it's like they literally eat grass and produce more grass which pulls oxygen uh pulls cot and create co2 from the atmosphere creates oxygen for everybody it's uh it's insane it's like everything across the board that we've discussed

it's a combination of don't believe your lying eyes that good food is not actually healthy for you despite the fact that you're chiseled and you look good nobody's saying this to me but um there's no corruption here we're looking after your health the fda the pharmaceutical industry the food industry we're all looking after your health don't worry and uh when it comes to raw milk stay away from it it's uh don't believe your lion eyes well exactly i mean meanwhile everybody americans are fatter sicker and yeah they're fatter and sicker than ever yeah and they're telling us like oh no everybody's fine are you kidding me look around yeah all you have to do is look around walk down the street cnn bottom half of the body b-roll is all you need

to look at it's uh it's crazy it's it's a sign that's why i'm happy we have individuals like you out there fighting the good fight and boldening people with confidence like my wife and others to to be confident enough to speak up about this because they feel better educated and another thing we just need to that's one thing we've learned in bitcoin uh coming at the central banks just ridicule them because they're objectively wrong they're stupid they're a detriment to the long-term health and quality of life of everybody whether it's um via debasing our savings by printing too much money or debasing our food by corrupting the incentives in the food system these people need to be ridiculed i mean there is a degree of civility where people should

come to the table and say hey these are the reasons why i think you should change your ways but there's also i believe room to ridicule these people because that humor really connects with people very well too yeah i love that that's great and and there's a level like holding them accountable and also if we ridicule them enough they'll hopefully be so embarrassed to be forced to make change you know yeah yeah embarrass them shame them courtney we're gonna shame them i think shame back dude for real we need it yeah we need a healthy level you can't gentle parent with these these zealots and that are centrally planning our lives you need to you need to shame them we need to bring back bullying we really need to bring it back i'm probably gonna get canceled for

that but it's i mean look they need to be held accountable and my thing is like where is the outrage where's the outrage for this like more than shame them we should be pissed off they are knowingly poisoning us at this point i would argue that i think that it started out with good intention i really believe that but they now we now know what this is doing to us and now they are digging their heels in further and i'm pissed off about it and we should all be pissed off about it we should be it's um i'm gonna hold my words because i have some thoughts on what should happen to these people but i will uh won't say it on air no i'll just end like i've said this story many times on this podcast but i myself i had crazy autoimmune issues particularly eczema for the

first 20 years of my life and i had topical creams and steroids and helped to no avail and it was very embarrassing like particularly in the fall winter would flare up and basically my all arm all the way up to my armpit would be riddled with eczema and it wasn't until i changed my diet my early 20s cut out red dye i was a big gatorade drinker i cut out literally cutting out gatorade and cheese for two years um just going to water coffee and the occasional drink on the weekend um solved my eczema i haven't had eczema in 13 years that's so incredible people need to hear stuff like that too i have a similar story i had a eczema under my eyes and i had this weird it was actually never diagnosed, but I had some sort of, I think it was an

eczema, like a different form of eczema on the back of my scalp. And when I went gluten-free, it completely went away and it has never come back. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it plagued me. It was something I was very self-conscious about for the first two decades of my life. And I mean, that's it sucks.

And then you go to the dermatologist and they give you a bunch of creams, but I'm sorry, that's not going to fix the internal issue. It's an internal issue. And then like the creams were like discolor your arm and stuff like that. If you put them on enough, I have like pale spots in your arm. Oh, it sucks. Courtney, you're a busy woman. You've got to get going.

This was a pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. I really loved this conversation. It was super fun. Yeah. Thank you. Call to action for anybody. What should they be doing?

Yeah, I would say, first of all, help us cancel Kellogg's. So we're trying to turn this into a Bud Light situation. I'm not normally for canceling. Let me be real. I'm actually a huge hater of cancel culture. But in this case, I actually believe that if they're poisoning us, we need to do something about it. so if you want to join our coalition um you can go to my instagram page i have a ton of resources

as far as like how you can get more involved in this movement i mentioned earlier the thing with callie means he just started a little coalition where people can get more involved they sign up for emails and we can actually like connect you with senators and you can call your congressman and so there's many different ways that people can get involved um help us cancel kellogg's right now you can go and share some of the videos go and create your own videos if you want share with your community, sharing your stories and let's get the word out that they don't have our best health in mind right now. Um, yeah. And then go to real foodology, uh, on Instagram. And then I'm also on, I have a real foodology podcast. If you guys want to listen and follow

along there. Yeah. That's how you can get involved. Get involved for freaks. Peace and love. Thank you.