TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #587: The Report on MRNA-Triggered Cancers with Kevin McKernan

Episode Date: February 19, 2025

Marty sits down with Kevin McKernan to discuss the damage caused by MRNA jabs. Kevin on Twitter: https://x.com/Kevin_McKernan 0:00 - Intro 0:36 - RFK & Trump's MRNA blind spot 11:13 - Japanese MRNA cancer paper 24:06 - Fold & Bitkey 25:48 - More on change in cancers 30:25 - Smoking guns 33:55 - Unchained 34:56 - Population reduction and LSSD 42:53 - Cannabinoids and opiates 58:50 - Are the jabs a global crisis? 1:06:17 - Shift in medical attitudes 1:17:19 - Free market solutions Shoutout to our sponsors: Fold https://tftc.io/fold Bitkey https://bitkey.world/ Unchained https://unchained.com/tftc/ Join the TFTC Movement: Main YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TFTC21/videos Clips YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUQcW3jxfQfEUS8kqR5pJtQ Website https://tftc.io/ Twitter https://twitter.com/tftc21 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/tftc.io/ Nostr https://primal.net/tftc Follow Marty Bent: Twitter https://twitter.com/martybent Nostr https://primal.net/martybent Newsletter https://tftc.io/martys-bent/ Podcast https://www.tftc.io/tag/podcasts/

You've had a dynamic where money's become freer than free. When you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts. So it's all acting like safe haven. I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor. I mean, that's part of the bull case for Bitcoin. If you're not paying attention, you probably should be. Kevin McKernan.

I just checked. It's 11 months to the day since we last recorded, or at least published the episode that we first recorded. What a year, huh? What a year. A lot has happened between March of 2024 and today. The world seems to be a completely different place. i think it was a bit of a um a bit of a black pill last year compared to where we are today there's a hell of a lot more that's changed you know in terms of uh whether it be uh you know

ross being free and all this crypto activity that's going on dc is uh seems to be i would have never had me bet back then that this would this would be happening i would have bet against it the tides have changed drastically yeah particularly from the regulatory perspective on the industry and yeah i i completely agree i think if you would have told me 11 months ago the landscape would be as it is today i would be like oh you're crazy but yeah rfk confirmed at hhs that's something i didn't have in the bingo card no everybody rfk tulsi looks like cash patel is going to get in excess what's your perspective on all that and particularly as it pertains to what you've been working on the research and um hopefully getting some public attention on

this massive problem that seems to be permeating throughout the world with the covid back covid jabs so love the fact that rfk is in there now the question is will the trump administration uh temper his uh what he really wants to do you know there's it seems as if all the scrutiny of him going in was over, um, you know, vaccine onesies. And if he ever says a negative thing about vaccines, uh, you know, they're, they're going to hang him out to dry. And, uh, in the, you know, the make America healthy thing is kind of shifted from what's killing the majority of people right now versus, uh, you know, Cheerios and Froot Loops and, you know, food, which is certainly a consideration, but it's, it's, uh, I don't think it's the apex problem that they have

right now. The problem they have is just the pharmaceutical influence over the entire research and government agency system there from NIH down to NIDA to NIAID. It's a deep swamp there. And it's hard to go in there and not pay attention to those things. And there's obviously this warp speed. Trump has it out as a trophy. And I don't think he should be overly criticized for because I think it's intentions where get the FDA out of the way and move fast and break things. And I don't, what I don't want out of all this is we got to make the FDA bigger to make sure the FDA doesn't do this again, which is where that can go. You know, if people are like, you know, you failed on warp speed and, you know, parts of warp speed actually were pushing hydroxychloroquine

and ivermectin, all that made sense, but that got sidelined by Fauci and others. And to be a sort of a vaccine only, um, uh, program. So, you know, those aspects of what they're thinking to do in warp speed makes sense. Repurposed drugs that are already approved. So you don't have to go through this approval process and you know, you know, their safety profile and see if you can make those work for COVID. That's the sound plan. Um, but that all got, uh, ceremoniously, uh, eliminated by pharma cartel. And, um, I think we're starting to get a feel for how this beast operates like there's all this you said money that's coming out all these ngos they were in control of journalists for doing all this uh you know manipulating the media um you know that's

the mechanism upon which they they censor and they have their claws into the journals as well so um can if you know one thing bobby has said i don't know if we'll be able to pull it off is to go after the journals and pharma for rico which would be phenomenal um crack up that um that whole system and and rebuild it from scratch um preferably on chain as we spoke about before but um i don't know if he's going to have a political you know power to do that i think his his language has changed toward let's just put everything you know let's be very transparent on all the data and once you can see what the data reflects that the public opinion will change you may not get that change parroted at at the institutions that are still kind of you know reciting these psalms

of, of success over vaccines. But, um, the, uh, I don't know, it's, it's, we shouldn't, we shouldn't cast too much doubt on his future. He hasn't done anything yet. He's just gotten in and, uh, I never like to judge people on future activity, but, um, you know, the, the language you see it wrapped in is beginning to shift a little bit more toward, you know, food, diet, and, uh, things that you can voluntarily choose to do or not do as opposed to some of the medicines they're mandating. Uh, and Trump did sign that like no more mandates in the colleges or no more federal funding for the schools that mandate, but it's not, that's not trickling down to the nine month olds who are still getting three of these shots. Um, and, uh, and that's, you know,

so that the schedule does need to be addressed. Uh, they have no studies that look at what is the combination of, of 70 shots. They have each one studied next to the next worst vaccine, rarely ever placebo. And so no one's looked at the stacking tolerances of piling on 70 of these things and what that does to kids. Um, but you know, I suspect it's playing a big role in the disease epidemic that's out there much more so than the fruit loops yeah and that's been the confusing part of the first month not even of trump's term as it pertains to bobby kennedy and the the whole mrna things he had the meeting with sam altman larry ellison where larry ellison saying we're going to create specific mrna cures to individual cancers and we're going to be able

they just created yeah that's that's always the case that they all right we we're going to give you these shots then cancer is going to emerge and we're going to come up with more shots to go for the cancers that that you know we created they'll blame everything but they're what they did um i mean they're doing that to our field too they run around trying to blame it on cannabis and i mean they blame it on everything but but the obvious um but yeah sorry i interrupted you were middle of it no we had that and then the sovereign wealth fund meeting with besant and howard lutnick behind him and howard lutnick chimes in like we should be getting equity stakes and the company is making the mrna vaccines it's like what what how are we not uh it really gives me pause because

i think the the clamoring about the adverse reactions to the first widespread application of mrna jabs is loud enough that they should be um they should be cognizant that it's a touchy subject you probably don't want to be adamantly for or just don't be adamantly for it publicly and they're really ringing the bell like we're going to invest in this i'm like what Like how did they not see that people are highly skeptical of this technology after what just happened to us? They do seem to be so in touch with so many other aspects on social media. But that one, they're just off – so far off in left field. I mean I feel like the Trump family does have some – they had the intelligence to go and talk to the Libertarian Party and do a trade, right?

This thing with Ross and maybe Bitcoin Strategic Reserve. And they knew to get on all the podcasts to get the word out. So they have a pulse, you know, the zeitgeist, if you will. But that one area seems to have some type of ablation in their mind that they can't quite get. But the Latinx thing is really scary because you're like, look, if you can't be an organization that's mandating these things and then put them in your strategic reserve or your sovereign wealth fund and get equity out of what you mandate, I mean, that's a massive conflict. And they are already getting royalties. He probably doesn't know that. But the NIH has $1.2 billion now in royalty for the vaccines.

So that would explain why they're probably not coming up with any recipes with hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. They want all the money rolling through one royalty stream. So, yeah, that was very concerning. And, you know, the Stargate thing, it just – I don't think either of those people understand the first thing about vaccination. from Sam Altman, who I wouldn't trust, and, you know, Oracle. It just sounds like he's in it for some type of surveillance, healthcare surveillance prize. Yeah.

Both of those seem big, big red flags that it's going the wrong way. And then this week, I think they're now talking about, you know, throwing out 300 million bird flu vaccines that can stall the poultry out there, which you're like, you're going to have, you know, Marek's disease all over again. They're just going to accelerate the evolution of that thing, and then it will hop into people. That's funny, but I've got two young kids who are in school, so we get a warning. It's like flu season is particularly bad, and I've been looking at some charts.

It looks like flu season is bad. Yeah, I believe that too. My son just had it, and it was brutal for him. It knocked him out for many days. So, you know, now there's a good argument that, yeah, you can expect a period of really bad respiratory diseases circulating after this because it wiped out the immune systems of a lot of these kids by giving them, you know, how many jabs? Three, five jabs? This Japanese study that we're talking about, 44% of the people over 65 got seven jabs in Japan. I mean, it's they're one of the most vaccinated countries in the world now with these mRNAs.

Um, so there are people taking these things over and over again. And when that happens, your immune system craters, uh, so you're going to have a, you've got a very large immunosuppressed population. That's going to circulate all types of things we haven't seen before. We're going to see resurgence of Epstein-Barr. We're going to see shingles come back. We're going to see, uh, you know, probably a lot more RSV. Um, it's, uh, in some ways it could be a very brilliant plan for pharma if they actually

knew this upfront, um, to go and wreck people's immune systems, because that will, that will invite a tremendous amount of pharmaceutical expenditures and they're seeing it the the cancers are up the the cancer expenditure is up um so there's uh it is a a positive feedback loop for them and a negative one for us yeah and so let's jump in that's why i reached out this japanese paper that sort of confirms independently the excess cancer mortality after mrna lipid nanoparticle sars cove to vaccination in japan so this is observation until 2023 and it seems like you did a deep dive on this and that's the main reason why i reached out to you is because again whether it's larry ellison howard lutnick trump really saying mrna is the thing mrna is the thing

uh the data that's being surfaced whether it's by these these medical researchers or something like ed dowd someone like ed dowd looking at the health or the health insurance uh disability rates and life insurance anomalies it seems pretty clear that something is off excess mortality is still higher than it should be yeah so the miki paper it's a pre-print still and it may stay there for while because this is such a hot topic that no journal is going to take it, regardless of how well they sharpen the graphs. But a lot of this is statistical data that I'm sure others can recapitulate off of, you know, public databases. And I've seen others make attempts at this at Japan and see similar things. So Japan, so the Miki paper there showed that, you know, they have

about 80% of their population took one of these mRNA vaccines. They're about 73% Pfizer versus Moderna, but almost exclusively mRNA. And 13% of the population took seven, but it's really enriched for the elderly. I think, as I mentioned earlier, it was 44% over the age of 65. They have seven vaccines in them. So that's something like, I think it was like 439 million vaccinations that occurred in a country of a hundred and maybe 23 million people. And if you look at what they had for COVID, they only had about 47 million cases of COVID. So they have a nine to one ratio of vaccines to virus events. So they're really going overboard, jabbing people to prevent this. And the paper does, the conclusions are worth reading. The paper does point out that, hey,

there's some other papers out there from the Cleveland Clinic that show the more jabs you get, the more COVID you get. The Cleveland Clinic did this study between one, two, three, and four jabs, and it was on healthcare workers, nurses in particular. So there is this propensity that after you take two of these things, your body starts seeing the same antigen over and over again. And there's what's known as an IgG4 class switch. It starts to treat it as something it needs to ignore, which can let the virus go wild in your system if your immune system is trained to, hey, forget about that. We've tried to knock that out twice. It didn't go away. It's back again. We're going to treat it like an allergy and not like a disease or an invader. And so they get

this class switch that makes them tolerate the virus. And that leads them to getting these negative vaccine efficacies so the the japanese paper goes into that but i think what's fascinating about this japanese paper let me see if i can pull up this image for you guys is they they bring it they bring in some historical context that goes all the way back to the excess mortality that occurred during the tsunami uh and let me see if i can find that thing for you all right i pulled up a few of these so i can zoom in on this so this is one of their graphs i labeled it tsunami vaccine, so you didn't have to read through all this text. But on the left is their excess mortality, which is in fact, you know, generally trending down with the exception of a few points,

which is just before the pandemic, they had slightly lower excess mortality. And they go into some reasons why there, but it's minor. But way back here is when the tsunami hit Japan. You see that blip. Now, COVID occurred in 2020. So they didn't have a tremendous amount of excess mortality during COVID. It was when the vaccines rolled out that their excess mortality now dwarfs the tsunami. And on the right side here is their average lifespan was improving over time until the vaccine or the tsunami. So their average lifespan has taken a bit of a dip here. um so uh this if you look at the numbers in this paper i think i scroll up here i think i put them up here um yeah right there so you look at these numbers you add them up we're talking

25 000 sort of right as the vaccine rolled out in 2021 then 115 000 excess deaths and then it gets up to 112 000 you know you add up all of this and this is bigger than hiroshima holy shit uh and and it's that's you know it's not being spoken about now granted it didn't happen one big bang it was a slow kill over time but um it's uh it's very it's quite significant and uh now the cancer side of this is a little harder to see um and the paper goes into this so the problem with looking for cancer is it's sort of a secondary effect like a layer two effect i think these are this is excess mortality almost consider this like layer one you know blockchain deaths, if you will. Lightning deaths are down here, where you don't see cancer unless

you survive the first assault, right? So the people who are comorbid and weak up here and got vaccinated and died, unless you survive that, you might fall into this cancer bucket. And the cancer buckets are much normal. But what's really interesting about the cancer data is the types of cancers completely switched. They used to have a flavor of different dominant cancers before the vaccine. And then after the vaccine, not only is there excess mortality that's like 7,000, you know, 5,000 extra year or 7,000 extra year, the types of cancer have completely changed. So that's a sign of a new toxin, which really, you know, supports that there may be some causality here. The other thing that, actually, I have a thread on this that I think you read,

and we'll forward to your audience that I think is interesting because if you feed papers like this in the chat GPT and ask it, what do you think of it? Its initial response will probably be based on what it's reading in the news, safe and effective, right? And so we'll say this paper doesn't really satisfy all the Bradford Hill tenets of causality. There are these nine tenets in the literature you look for to try to prove an association is causative. And we'll touch on a few of those, but one that's really important is temporality. It has to happen within close proximity. That's in fact happening. You can see on this graph here, when the doses come out, the excess mortality goes up. So the time domain is satisfied in this. But the other thing it looks

for is, is there a dose response curve? And you can see from this data that there is, because the magnitude of the excess mortality is the same out at the sixth and seventh dose, even though only 13% of the population are getting it up at that time. So there's a cumulative amount of damage that's going on that is maintaining this level of exorbitant mortality, which may persist for many more years for all we know. So when you kind of point these things back to chat GPT and say, hey, all right, well, now that we've measured these other components, what do you think? You can eventually get chat GPT to come to the conclusion that this is a train wreck and it needs to be pulled. But you won't get it the first time you ask it. That's the important thing with

some of these AI tools is they will be biased toward the consensus in the media until you start to point out some of the logical inconsistencies that exist there. But the types of cancer they're seeing pre-jab were lung, colorectal, stomach, and liver. And post-jab, this all switched to ovarian prostate, leukemia, pancreatic and lip oral and pharyngeal. And they point out that these are more estrogen receptor-based mutations or types of cancers. And that makes sense because there is literature out there showing spike protein having an impact on estrogen receptors. So, there's some coherence to the argument as well. There's a mechanism that is plausible That fills another tenet of Bradford Hill.

But this gives you a feel of the distributions of the people who got them. So 80% received one dose, and then it decays. 67, 46, 30, 20, and 13 received their third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh doses. And it gives you a size of the number of people that were infected versus how many doses they handed out. So they are doing a nine to one dosage for a number of people who got COVID versus a number of people who got a number of jabs they took. So it is one of the most vaccinated countries out there, I guess, a very, very compliant culture. There is some discussion in there about lockdowns that they notice, OK, during lockdowns, they stop screening for a period of time. And some cancers did did tick up there during that time frame.

But they've accounted for that in the study and they can see that as a result of that, the people came in at a later stage in cancer and the mortality was higher because of that like six-month window where they slowed down on the screening. But that's often a complaint in a lot of these studies is, hey, is it just the fact that during lockdowns, we didn't screen enough? And there's two things that argue against that. One, the flavor of cancers are switching to cancers they wouldn't have been screening for. So they would have missed those initially anyway. And it's hitting younger demographics you don't normally screen for. So we can't write this off as people stop going to the hospital for six months to a year. There's just too much different data there to contradict that.

And the last thing I was going to point out is, oh, they do go on. They mentioned about the DNA contamination being one of the concerns. They talk about this IgG4 class switch that goes on. they talk about this estrogen receptor activity with spike. There's also been stuff published showing that spike inhibits p53 and perhaps BRCA1. And of course, the DNA contamination comes to their radar as well, showing that, okay, we have sequences in here that are known to be hypermutability elements, and they're known to bind to p53, and they're known to push DNA into nucleus, and they're known to trigger C-gas sting. These four things really mean the

excess DNA that's mainly in Pfizer, more so in Pfizer than Moderna, is one of maybe six different mechanisms of potentially driving cancer. So to your question about simply, can I explain this like someone's five? Sorry, it's not simple. It's unfortunate that these things are, they've got many, it's a Swiss army knife of cancer. They've got many different ways where they are disrupting your immune system to the point where cancers reemerge. And we don't have it totally pinned down on which mechanism is the main driver of it. And I don't think we will for a while. Now, I'm hopeful that with RFK in there, and maybe even with Marty Macri and Jay Bhattachary, if they get in and start organizing the FDA and NIH respectively, they may in fact put a bigger

focus on, all right, let's figure out this mechanism. What is it? Why is this occurring? Um, the, the tumors that we're now seeing do match the biodistribution of the vaccine. That was the other point is if you look at where the, the, the, um, LNPs go, um, they go to the bone marrow, they go to the ovaries, prostate, pancreas. They also go to the liver and the liver is surprisingly isn't one that popped up in here. I was expecting a liver to be in the post-ab, um, thing because you do see a lot of the LNPs going there. But, um, some of these things are matching the biodistribution of where the LNPs go.

So it makes sense that, okay, we expect tumors where the vaccine tends to accumulate. Yeah. And so focusing on this, the pre-Jab versus post-Jab cancer profile in Japan, specifically, you said it attacks the estrogen system in individuals. And this may be a naive question, but is it affecting women more than men since they're more dependent on it? That's a good question. I didn't see them split them down by sex in that study. But no, I mean, there's prostate cancer in there and there's ovarian cancer in there. So I don't know that we have a higher adverse event.

Actually, adverse events, males versus females, that's a question probably for Jessica Rose and John Bodwin. I don't think there's a huge sex bias there. And then on the cancer front, I don't think I have an answer for that either. But it's possible based on that biology that maybe there is, you know, some tumors are going to be more frequently in women than men. what's up freaks do you have a credit card are you getting cash back or airline points or points for some other service guess what those are shit coins you want to be stacking bitcoin i have some groundbreaking news for you the team at fold has finally released the bitcoin rewards credit card they have a wait list i'm going to be distributing the cards later this year so you

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That's bitkey.world, code TFTC20. It's fascinating that just the profile of, I don't want to say endemic, but what was the average distribution of the type of cancer in Japan completely switched because of this. And as you said, it's because the spike protein is aggregating and congregating in these areas in the body. And when you look at these biodistribution studies, there are certain tissues that the LNPs tend to accumulate in,

and it's the bone marrow and spleen, liver, and then ovaries, prostate. So that's one explanation for it. the second explanation could be the, you know, the biology of those tissues. Maybe there's more estrogen receptor expression there. That's, I don't know that offhand, but, you know, the other person who saw this, John Bodwin is a good person to have on. He noticed the same thing happened between 2020 and 2021 when he went through the death record. So he basically FOIA'd all the death records in Massachusetts. I think he's done it for a couple other states now too, like Minnesota and Vermont. And that gives you the cause of death and they're not HIPAA protected.

So you can then take those people, find them in VAERS and de-anonymize VAERS and come to realize that a lot of the people that are written down as having died from COVID are really vaccinated, that the morticians and the medical examiners just committed fraud on those. But when you do that, you can see that a couple of things change from the virus. There's definitely death from the virus. He's got that calculated. Um, but as you move from 2020 to 2021, the age demographic of the people dying goes down

by like a decade or more. And the way, the way in which they're dying changes dramatically. That starts shifting from, you know, you know, respiratory ailments into pulmonary embolisms into acute kidney failure into, um, I mean the smallest blip on his dot or on his radar is like myocarditis, which is the thing that's in the news. They're all, uh, you know, I think they've elevated myocarditis as this thing that, hey, look, there's a problem with a vaccine called myocarditis, but you might get it from the virus too. So take it anyway, right? That's been kind of their excuse. That's a harder excuse to put

on kidney injury. You know, acute renal failure is something that's, I think he mentioned very recently, it's like 150 times higher than myocarditis in the data that he has. So that's a screaming signal that occurred, you know, concomitant with the vaccine rollout. There was a small amount of it before with COVID, but not nearly as extreme. There is some treatment options they have out there that destroy kidneys. So remdesivir is one, but it's not just remdesivir alone. It's like it's from his data, it looks like it's remdesivir plus maybe vancomycin plus maybe, you know, a host of other things that cascade you into kidney failure if they have a bad treatment protocol. But once you're vaccinated, all of your outcomes get worse

through those protocols. And so as the vaccines roll out, this thing gets amplified to a higher and higher degree. But I think he has some of the strongest data and he works closely with Ed Dowd as well. They have some of the strongest data on exactly what's going on with these vaccines. And if they want to go in and audit, I think I saw RFK mentioned this recently about, hey, let's go in and finally get the tracking databases for these injuries under control. There's some truth to that. That would be helpful to get it to be very transparent. But But the complaint you'll hear from people in this field is we have all the data we need to gank these. No one's doing it.

You look at VAERS, there's 38,000 deaths in there. That should have been pulled when you hit 50. So there's already data there. Yeah, we have too many hurdles for physicians to put stuff in there. They think it might only be getting – may have a 40% under or 40-fold under like reporting factor, 30 to 40, the numbers I hear from Jessica. So that means for everyone that's in there, you've got to multiply those numbers by 30 or 40. So, yeah, we should have a system that accepts this data transparently. Everyone can see it, and there isn't friction at the hospitals.

Like some people were getting terminated for reporting these things. So there's obviously a motivation against speaking out about these things. So all that should get cleaned up, but what I don't want to see happen is, all right, let's spend two years building a better VAERS, and then we'll think about maybe pulling these because we've got we got everything you need now and the people if they want to rebuild it are are like john jessica and uh you know get people in there like endowed and ethical skeptic they will run circles around these people like the freaks we have in doge and uh and build something in a matter of months as opposed to years yeah and i think what the japanese study shows in combination with like the temporal alignment that

you mentioned earlier i think the smoking gun here to say hey maybe we should pause and think about this is this changing of the cancer profiles or distribution of types of cancer across certain demos and if you could tie the cancers that are now prominent that previously weren't with where the the spike protein is congregating and accumulating in the body that should be a correlation as a causation i know you had to fight chat gbt and give it more context to admit that maybe there's something here but i think a a complete shift in the profile of the most common cancers in one of the most developed countries in the world and the cancers that are beginning to surface uh post vaccine are provably where the vaccine is accumulating

in the body should be reason enough to say hey maybe we should yeah so that's that's an important point there was another um so another part of another one of the tenants that it was it was complaining about was well you need to have this in more than one study what are what are other studies that uh kind of validate this orthogonal data sets if you will to fulfill some of these bradford hill tenants um and uh an important one from ed dowd who he's been banging the table on is that if you ask chat GPT, okay, so there's new cancers that are emerging, what are the drug sales for those new cancers? Are they up or down? And it goes through market data and pulls them out that, okay, yes, particular drugs that are used to treat leukemia are up 20%. Drugs, you know,

so going down the list, there are some chemotherapeutic agents that are really tailored for particular tumors. And so you can dissect the pharmaceutical revenue streams based on, um, the tumor profiles and see if they match that change. And they do. Um, and so that's, that's sort of another like orthogonal data set that's independent of like peer review and, you know, all the horseshit that goes on over there. It's like, no, this is actually real market data, people buying things. And, uh, and, and these guys are held to SAC guidelines, which means they can't be falsifying these, these data in terms of the product sales. Uh, so, uh, if all of those types of blood cancers are on the rise, and we're getting leukemias, this is a sign that,

you know, another data point that I think builds on the thesis. And then the third thing you can look at is their M&A activity, their mergers and acquisitions activity. They're out buying leukemia companies. Pfizer dropped $2 billion on Trillium and $43 billion on Cgen. So they're on m&a frenzy for cancer companies right now that is disgusting isn't it yeah it's this conveyor belt of crime it's very uh you know manufacture the crisis and come and have the solution ready for it and it you know it's been going on longer than we know but even even the fact that like fauci it comes back to some of the same people right like fauci is involved in laundering the money of the who uh to create a virus that that that chain reacts all of this madness to the

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back to like we're going to create dedicated mrna vaccines for the cancer that you get caused by the previous mrna vaccine like is there a feedback like a compounding feedback loop that sort of completely destroys everybody's immune system like what like how many different i'm sure they would love that right i mean here the evil thing on all this and i don't know if they're this smart maybe they are um you know some of the things you're finding them do with the money in usa do you think god that's just an overt way of laundering money but uh you know if If they have – this comes back to – it wasn't Parker. It was Preston Pysh I think was going through the Doge money and what a small sliver this is.

As great as it is, right? Maybe there's $44 billion in USAID. So it's – when you look at all of the mess going on, it's not going to change the state of the US bankruptcy. It may be great for Bitcoiners as you guys were saying, right? But the – you really got to get into HHS and you got to get into Medicaid and Medicare because the numbers start going into the trillions in those areas. Obviously, the Pentagon, but if you can – I don't have much faith that you can investigate the Pentagon without being filled with lead. So the other agencies might be a little bit more docile. So they – the one area that's going to kill the budget is Social Security.

And so if they can lower lifespan with these things, they get a twofer on this, right? You basically can trim down your social security payouts by killing that population off. At the same time, while you're trimming it back, you accelerate state taxes. So all these people die if they're boomers. They're, you know, maybe 30, 40 percent of their net worth gets sucked up into probate or into inheritance tax. And you pull that money forward while you clip off your social security obligations. So there are some areas, I think, in the budget that are prone to this type of capture. And it may not require some nefarious muscles, you know, mustache twitching evil villain to do it.

It may just be the output of something that has this types of incentives. When the government is control of your death date and they're also in control of your retirement, you know, bad outcomes will emerge. That system might just get optimized to shorten lifespan and pay less money out. Now you're getting into crazy conspiracy theory. The government is trying to kill us. Yeah, right. That's the thing. You don't like to go there, but the thing is you don't need a person who's retching their fists in the back trying to plan all this.

If you have bad incentives in place for government, which invariably most government incentives are always bad, it will push economic incentives in the wrong direction such that they're life-destroying as opposed to life-saving. We're seeing this with the birth rate going down in a lot of our countries and everyone's rightfully raising the point that if we continue on this trend, we'll be like Japan. We'll be inverted. And that's probably an artifact of inflation. people can't afford to have a lot of kids because things are the price of raising them is escaping them faster than their income yeah well that i mean speaking of whether people are consciously delaying family formation because of the hamster wheel they're on with the fiat monetary system did the japanese study jump into fertility rates because that's another thing i'm curious about

Yeah. I mean, that's going to be a mess for them. They can't afford any defects there. They already have a problem with demographic inversion. So that's a nightmare for a lot of these countries. Of course, it's probably precisely what a lot of these socialist Malthusians want is to lower the carbon footprint on the earth, not recognizing the basis behind prosperity has nothing to do with carbon. But that's, yeah, I'm sure there's other papers. I know Naomi Wolf has focused a lot on that. And I wonder who else has got some studies on fertility, but it's certainly impacting fertility rates. Like we are seeing, even when they combed through those Pfizer files, there was a really high spontaneous abortion rate in the

vaccinated. And then they never really tested that population. They excluded pregnant people from the trial and did some bullshit study afterwards to try to justify it. Never really reported the data and said, yeah, it's, it's safe for women, uh, for pregnant women. And, uh, and then now, now that the Pfizer data is released, they can comb through that and see that now this was, this was a horrific idea. Um, and they're still, they're still injecting them into nine month olds too. Even, I think, I think Marty Macri was actually, I saw one of his videos circulating where he was like, this was, you know, he was pointing out like, this is bad. We can't be doing this. Um, but in the same breath, um, no one's getting them off the childhood schedule. That's

what gives them the largest um uh liability waiver once it's on the childhood schedule it is liability free permanently yeah it's really messed up is i mean you're focused on the research side but are you seeing anybody in the medical community like doctors pas whatever it may be beginning to ring the bell and consciously saying we shouldn't be giving this yeah we they have been they have been persecuted it's been part of the problem and i did i did have more reach out to me this last week because we had a successful case with Dr. Hoff up in Canada. So he was one of the people speaking out very early on. And the College of Physicians and Surgeons of British Columbia went after him and to publicly hang him out to dry and drag him through a court case for multiple

years. And we finally prevailed in that by just, we had probably eight people step up the bat from Peter McCullough to Pierre Corey, myself, Jessica Rose, Dr. Thorpe, long list of people who submitted evidence against their evidence. They tried to tell the court that only their evidence was real evidence, and they couldn't accept anyone else's evidence. And then we pointed out all their conflicts of interest. I think it was an arbitration hearing, not a court. But either way, they tried to send around papers suggesting that why conflicts of interest

are good, to justify why they all had connections to pharma. And while they were putting out a really biased slant on the data, eventually that got turned down and then they finally folded. And it was right around when RFK was getting confirmed. So I think maybe they saw the writing on the wall right as the USAID data got blown up, too. Some of that money may be tracked back to them. We'll have to see. I think a lot of these medical boards we're going to find have money coming from some of these USAID organizations that were trying to – what was it called? LSD. It was something like large-scale social deception program that was funded by Reuters. yeah the reuters guy the ceo of reuters is on the board of pfizer so i'm really curious to know what

his large-scale social deception plan was yeah and uh and i think we're going to see that there's there's money going into these groups that are going around harassing people to maintain this vaccine narrative well i mean we saw during rfk's confirmation hearings with with warren and bernie lambasting him and that was the other thing the sneaky thing i mean i've done some research on this after the fact but obviously bernie was adamant he's never received a dollar but then you look into it and it looks like there's shell packs and shell llcs that can have money funnel from pharmaceutical companies to the the coffers of these politicians campaigns and maybe not directly in his hand but it's in the in an account he can control somewhere yeah yeah and elizabeth

warren too got you know rightfully jammed up on all that with all of her all of her moral outrage over uh she was even trying to get him to promise to never investigate the vaccines never build a new database you're like why why would you do that that's that's what i'm trying to figure out is that a strong positive signal at the pharmaceutical industry and those who have been sucking from their teat whether that's in the political media financial world are truly scared that the jig is up rfk is in we're gonna get we're gonna get some some closure or actual good information having an honest conversation about what's been happening here and or is it and you alluded to it like the the shift uh and from public positioning leading up to the election

was maha make america healthy again let's focus on food exercise all that and i've heard theories that that um in two directions one that it's a complete distraction where you sort of limited hang out the public and like yeah we're going to make everybody healthy red diamond three's gone yeah yeah like limited hang out there like yeah we'll make we'll get rid of the red dye we'll make sure kids are exercising we'll change the food pyramid but uh we're not going to approach the vaccines or was that sort of a tempered uh political stunt to get attention and conversation away from the vaccines until he's confirmed after which point he can bring it back up that's yet to be seen yes that's yet to be seen and um i hope they they bring it up in terms of

not you know in the larger context it's not just about ivermectin vaccines um this drug war has been going on long before covet and you know all of these other generic drugs that they accuse of being recreational drugs are actually very threatening to the pharmaceutical industry You can see paper after paper coming out with psilocybin on depression where they use a single dose and they reverse depression in these people. Like that doesn't happen on any SSRI. There isn't suicidal ideation with that approach. There's pathways with psilocybin that connect to cancer as well. I know people who have reversed their cancer with psilocybin.

They've presented their cases at the conference we run. And then, of course, the cannabinoids play an important role in the whole fentanyl and opiate epidemic, which is a very significant epidemic. I mean, in general, making America healthy again can't just be about nutrition. It's got to be about medical death, basically, iatrogenic death, because that's the highest cause of death is getting in. It's right up there in the top three, depending on the country, is that the prominent number of people out there are dying from medicines prescribed by their physicians. Really? Yes. It's a top three cause?

Yes. Yeah. You'll have to check it out in your country. I could be wrong and given Canada versus the States, but I think in the States, it's in the top five. It's like cardiac issues, cancer, and then iatrogenic death, medical death. And some of that starts with the opiate epidemic because they hand out opiates, people get addicted on them, and you get like 100,000 deaths a year now from opiates because after they trim you off of their oxycodone, they end up going to the street and then in the

street, nothing's tested and sometimes get spiked with fentanyl and they die. But there's loads of literature out there on people reducing their opiate intake by replacing it with cannabinoids. and uh the pharmaceutical giants all like to chastise cannabis as no it's a gateway it's a gateway drug to our drug they think they'd like that but uh but they you know they'll always be pointing out that you you know people start smoking then they then they do then they do heroin right um but uh the reality in the data is much different if you look at uh the the studies that try to get people off of opiates the cannabinoids are more effective than methadone

and they've already agreed to use methadone which is another opiate to try and get people off of opiates, right? So they don't have a problem with drug replacement concept. They have a problem with which drug you're replacing it with. It's got to be one of theirs. So there is a massive war that on these types of drugs that dates back long before COVID that are playing a really, really big role in America's health. And I just want them to be able to get a lot of those things out of the FDA's hands and legalized. Because the train record they have in the cannabis space right now is the U.S. Postal Service is now the largest trafficker of illicit cannabis. I saw you tweeting about this.

Yes. Yeah. They legalized hemp. Mitch McConnell did this, of all people. The guy wheeled that guy up in a wheelchair to vote against RFK. I was livid watching this guy because he signed the hemp bill, which basically legalized hemp. And what everyone's doing is they're putting all these kitchen cannabinoids that they make in their basement that we've never tested before. We don't know how well they work. We don't know whether they cause psychosis and all these things that have been studied by the phytocannabinoids. And those guys are banked. They can ship across state lines.

They sell in the gas stations without age checks to kids. So, if you go into like gas stations, you see hemp products, don't assume it's CBD. It's probably like Delta-8 or THCP. It's all Delta-8, yeah. Yeah, Delta-8, you know, I'm not too crazy about it. You know, Delta-8 is supposed to be less potent than Delta-9. But the thing is oftentimes when they go and test those things that are labeled Delta-8, they find there's like THCP in there, which is like 30 times more potent than THC. And all these other like random peaks on our HPLC, we don't know what they are.

So, it's really like, you know, little Jesse Pinkman's garage where they're just selling all types of crap into that marketplace. And now that market is actually bigger than the cannabis market. it's like $25 billion a year, is now getting funneled through this hemp market across state lines. But I'm somewhat suspicious. Another tin hat theory of mine is that pharma wants that to happen. They want there to be a shit show in the hemp market so that the public loses interest in the cannabis legalization. They start questioning it because they're going to associate all of that disaster with cannabis because they're just taking hemp and spraying crap on it and spicing K2 and selling it to kids uh and it's going to piss off all the parents as the kids start running into

this stuff yeah no i mean that's what i was gonna it has been astonishing over the last two three years seeing how normalized these hemp products are in gas stations like i can't walk into the gas station with my kids like selling pot yeah behind the uh or quote unquote pot and that guy around i smoked quite a bit of pot in high school and college and it was real yeah well that or but if what it wasn't real like spice uh the salvia stuff i remember that that was like you're like smoking all i never did it but like the the athletes that would play college sports and they got drug tested like they would exactly fall back on they would fall back on that and a lot of the gas station stuff doesn't trigger the thc tests yeah that's the motivation for it

yeah and so it would uh but like they would the reactions were way different and yeah i i think that's contaminating a lot of the schizophrenia literature as well they all these schizophrenia papers basically look at uh look we looked at cannabis users non-cannabis users like well did you did you chemotype any of the cannabis to know if it was really cannabis or this other crap and they don't know they don't care their their job is to just put a huge shadow on top of uh the cannabis industry to get people to put the brakes on but um the sad thing is we're seeing those compounds work in cancer we're seeing them work in the opiate epidemic and the opiate epidemic Like, that's something that's close.

It's going to grow to probably be $100 billion a year if it's not already there, and it's going to perpetuate forever. It's not like it's a vaccine market that comes in a three-year wave and then disappears and you've got to make a new one. The opiate market is a perpetual market as big as the vaccine play was for COVID. And so there's an enormous concern, I think, sitting in the pharmaceuticals balance sheet that, OK, if the cannabinoids come in and knock out 50 percent of the opiate usage, then they got a major problem. And then you see them getting used in cancer and all these other things that can address some of the mess they created with the vaccines. And it's a it's a complicated thing that I'm not certain the Trump administration yet has their head around because there's seeing who they put in charge of the D.A. and what they're signaling to, like, you know, treat the Mexican cartels as terrorists. And it's like you've got to fix the banking crisis here in the States. I mean, you have the only tested chain of cannabis debanked and you have the one that's doing all this Jesse Pinkman stuff banked.

And that's where they're going to run all the drugs through. They're going to run all through the hemp market. And you're going to be – and I wouldn't be surprised if there's certain politicians that have their fingers in that pie. Yeah. It's been very confusing here in Austin, Texas because I think cannabis is still illegal. Because you're medical but not rec, right? Yeah. But despite that, there's been smoke shops and –

Yeah. That's from the farm bill. So they call it red weed because all the red states are who they feed. The states that haven't legalized rec get fed hemp and that just predominantly makes its way into those – into the Republican states that haven't yet done it. This actually screwed up in Florida too, like DeSantis and Latipo, who I know and respect from the COVID era, got this backwards. They put the brakes on recreational cannabis, which would have been taxed and safety tested, and that just let the hemp market come in, into smoke shops. It was already there. I mean, they've got hundreds of thousands of smoke shops in Florida selling these hemp pens in there. But it's really bizarre that they have the taxes set really high at like 30% or more.

So the black market's never going to go away when you have taxes that high. It's going to just persist. So they have to like crank the taxes down to ethanol, which seems to be, you know, with alcohol, at least there isn't a huge black market of moonshine anymore, right? people might do it as a hobby but you know it's the taxes there are small enough that there's no incentive to do it that way but when taxes are jacked up to the levels they are in the in the quote-unquote legal cannabis market the black market can run circles around those people they don't have the overhead yeah i mean we have a high end i'm guessing it's a would you call it a red hemp or yeah red state hemp red state hemp shop right around the corner from where i'm recording right now that's like again like i'm happy we're having this conversation

because i'm like did they legalize weed here and then like yeah but it's obviously mitch mcconnell kind of did and i don't and most of the i think people who are still fighting against cannabis legalization in texas probably don't know that they've not been into one of those shops to see what the hell they're selling oh they're they're marketing like we've got there's one that just came out called doobies on on south lamar um they're popping up all over the place but but it's not real cannabis. No, no, no. Yes, they do grow hemp, which has below 0.3% THC in it,

but then they spray it with something else. They put HHC on it or THCP. The other thing they can do is take CBD from the plant, treat it with an acid, and that will turn it into Delta-8. That's another common trick they do. The only challenge there is when they treat it with an acid, all these other chemical reactions happen on the compounds that are in the plant that show up on the HPLC.

We don't know what those are. There's a couple that have circulated, like THC acetate is one that's really nasty. That's out there. That one in vape pens forms ketines as a carcinogen. So some of these things are going to backfire on the industry if they don't get it all strained out. But it's a real question as to whether or not RFK Jr.

and the Trump administration are going to see this as a priority. They clearly have the drug war as a priority, but I don't think they understand the things that they're doing that are enabling it, that need to be altered or reversed. You know, they're never getting rid of it with it being debanked. That's just inviting cash and, you know, less transparency. And as long as they have this two-tier regulatory structure where you have a complete hall pass on one market that has, you know, zero accountability and zero testing, and then you kneecap the industry that's trying to do the right thing, it's going to be a mess. Yeah. No, I'm happy we dove down this rabbit hole because I've been observing your back and forth with Alex Berenson, which feels like it's been going on for years now. Oh, yeah.

on x and that's because he came out the study is like pot driving people crazy but now with this context like it makes sense because i mean even before mitch mcconnell legalized it like i remember back in high school it was like don't do spice it's going to drive you nuts yeah i think he's got a valid point there we don't know what those compounds do some of them don't even look like cannabinoids and i have seen people have like absolute crazy reactions on those things So I'm with him on that, that, yeah, you don't want your kids having that stuff. But I don't think he has the understanding of the field to know the nuance that all the schizophrenia studies coming out aren't chemotyping the plants to know which one's which and what compounds are in them. And there are cannabinoids in clinical trials for treating schizophrenia.

So, you know, if you're not doing that, it's really sloppy work. And then there's other genetic work as well. if you look at Ziva Cooper's work, she's looked at this and 85% of schizophrenia is deemed to be of genetic origin. So you have a genetic predisposition for it to be triggered. And the same people have a genetic predisposition for drug seeking behavior. So they're not just on cannabinoids. They tended to be smoking tobacco, alcohol, you know, a long list of things. So it gets really hard to pin down. But the genetic information gives you some understanding of the directionality of association is that, yes, the schizophrenics tend to use more

drugs. They're trying to treat something. But there are studies showing that the schizophrenics that are using cannabinoids have better mental capacity. When they put them through these mental challenge studies, it improves their cognitive abilities. So it's a messy data set. If I were him, I wouldn't be pounding on that because that one never, the arguments never fully go 100% in his favor. There's just as many arguments being like, no, you have the cause and effect backwards. here. The real risks are, I think, these pesticides that we're finding in some of these black markets and cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, which we got to educate physicians on to differentiate that from cyclic vomiting syndrome. They're different syndromes and

you'd be treated differently. And one truly is from THC. They've got really good genetics on that now. And they know that if you abstain from THC, it goes away. So that is a threat with people taking a lot more of these things that we got to pay attention to. So it's not like cannabis is put it in the water like fluoride, it's harmless. There's a proper place and context for it to use medically and recreationally. It's not for everybody, but it is a hundredfold less toxic than the opiates that are floating around and seems to do a better job in pain. So you'd think this would rise to the top of the opiate epidemic discussions that they're having in the Trump administration, but I suspect it won't just due to it being a third rail like hydroxychloroquine

ivermectin yeah that's funny that we ended up on this train of thought too thinking about like the perverse incentives of the pharma industry as it pertains to the mrna vaccines and some way or another we ended up in a completely different branch of pharma corruption yes yeah it's not new it has been going on for you know 50 years and uh it's just i think what happened in the pandemic is a lot more people were probably locked on their phone trying to figure out what the hell's going on and suddenly got a view to it uh it became a lot more apparent on twitter or x as people was people were unveiling all of the back channel deals going on with fauci and others but uh it's always been there uh it's just been an overdrive the more the money printer runs yeah and bringing

this back to the study out of japan and the mrna vaccines like what happens if they don't get put off the shelves like is there is it is there a noble point at which if we pass this becomes like a systemic immune crisis globally yeah it's are are the jabs like give is shedding real like are people who haven't been jabbed going to begin feeling adverse consequences of their their neighbors going and doing it and getting more and more shots so there are there's fewer and fewer people taking them. That's perhaps a minor victory. It doesn't seem like that was the case in Japan in 2023. I mean, it decayed, but it's not over there. They still have them on a childhood schedule, which is horrible here in the States. We'd love to be able to end that.

But knowing that this process may take years, I think many of the physicians are turning to how to treat this, knowing it's too late. Six billion people have been hit with this. How do we treat these people because uh we can't just wait for government to stop doing the wrong things um i you know pray for bobby and hope it all works and and he can accelerate that timetable but uh it's not going to happen overnight even on his watch um and so uh there's a lot more people looking into ivermectin fenben uh methylene blue light treatment i mean the bitcoin community is probably going to spearhead this because they're they're outside of the box thinkers that aren't all trapped in this and they, they care about health. Um, so, um, so I've been, I've been

digging into pathways with, with cannabinoids and psilocybin and ivermectin, all these things that could potentially play a role in, in treating the spike apathy. Um, and preferably looking at things that are in fact generic over the counter and easy for people to get. Um, I think that's, uh, that's going to be required now in terms of shedding, uh, that's a bigger issue. All right. So, so Japan, there's a couple areas that on the front people need to be aware of. Japan is playing around with a self-amplifying vaccine. That's frightening. That's probably going to be a shedding nightmare. Um, they're, they're starting to put them into the food, as we mentioned earlier. Um, you know, if you cook your food, it's probably not a problem, but you know, you know,

if they start putting this in the things where people are eating it raw, I'd start to worry about it. Like fish, I don't think they're going to vaccinate fish, but, uh, you know, they're, they're talking about doing this for, for all the, uh, all the chickens and the eggs. And, uh, I don't know where that's going to go. Um, but there's another aspect of this that maybe Rand Paul would be interested in, which is that the people who are making these vaccines, those labs are lab leak risks. There was a lab in Seattle that had a plasmid that they made to make a vaccine, infect all the people in the lab and escape the lab and infect their housemates.

So now that had to be, that was a nucleocapsid encoding plasmid. And if that nucleocapsid happens to be pro-inflammatory, you know, some AI platforms claim it is, then you've got plasmids that are leaking from labs for the people who are trying to make these vaccines that are now a biohazard to everyone in the vicinity. And I don't think they spread as far as viruses spread because they're spreading by, we think they're spreading through a coli, which requires contact and perhaps oral fecal transmission. But that's a risk I don't think anyone's thinking about. And they're all booting up, you know, hundreds or thousands of these labs to play around with different mRNA plasmids that manufacture these things. So, yeah, I think that's a part of the biowarfare and the gain-of-function discussions that need to be had.

Just turning off gain-of-function research in the States didn't work last time when you let Fauci do it. They went around it, right? So it's probably going to happen in China. It's probably going to happen in other countries. I guess the question that Rand Paul, I think, maybe has to address is what can you do in the States to better respond to this and put restrictions on it? And there are some things they could be doing.

They could have gone right when this happened and subpoenaed all of the oligosynthesis shops in the country, which are the companies that make synthetic DNA for these things. And they could have figured out where this came from probably within a month of the pandemic, and that never happened, largely because I think who was in charge of those types of resources were implicated. And so Fauci himself was never going to spearhead that type of investigation. So, yeah, when it comes to spreading, I think there's a couple of things we need to think about in terms of gain of function, what the people or the labs are doing to make these vaccines, and then what are the other organisms are planning to put them in? And if they're food sources that aren't cooked, then there's a concern that the vaccination can actually spread to the people that eat it. Yeah. It's fascinating.

And what are your thoughts on mRNA more broadly? Is it something that we should probably stay away from? Are we ever going to be able to perfect this quote-unquote technology and inject it safely into people? Well, so it's being used in some diseases where it makes sense. where the risk of the disease is worse than the risk of what you're playing with. So Hatter is one of them where they're not making 4,000-letter mRNAs that require this complicated plasmid-contaminated process. They're making microRNAs, which are only like 30 letters long,

and they can chemically do that without any plasmids, and the synthesis is very clean. But even those they inject into people, they put them on immunosuppressants first, they infuse it over six hours, and it's a different disease with a higher risk of fatality, so you're willing to take a little bit more risk. That's very different than what we're injecting in a couple seconds with these mRNA vaccines for a virus that is not, you know, maybe as pathogenic as a flu, maybe a little more. And then there's other aspects of this technology where they're using it for like terminal disease. There's a Duncan paper, Duncan et al. in New

England Journal of Medicine, where they take your bone marrow cells out and they transfect them with plasmids that are designed to integrate into your genome. And they do thousands of times per patient. And it puts a gene into your genome that replaces the one you're missing. And these people are going to be dead by the time they're 20 if they don't do this. But they get a 10% chance of blood cancer when they put those cells back in. And that's what they saw in the study. They had about lots of integration events and 10% of them got blood cancer. But the risk reward is very different for those diseases. So, you know, I wouldn't throw the whole baby out of the bathwater and there's just going to be places where you can apply this and very targeted diseases, but they've gone crazy

where they want to inject this into everybody in the population as a prophylactic for a disease that they've exaggerated. And I think that's where it's off the rails. And I even think it's going to be off the rails when they start trying to vaccinate the food chain this way. They're going to create all types of chaos inside the food chain doing this as opposed to just, that's a perfect environment where you let it let it rip let it burn through the chickens let them get immune and then you're done uh they're going to run and inject them all probably immunocompromise them all and then you're going to get a bunch of other chicken diseases that pop out or or uh you know bird-based flus so um yeah they're they're uh it's a money grab and um they're throwing a lot

of evolutionary biology to the wind yeah because you have people like elon and peter teal pumping the mrna bags and the all-in podcast those guys talk about it in their science corner and it's like yeah and i like the way you describe the risk reward and particular applications like if you're going to die maybe it makes sense to try it but you make it confined there and the the fact that anybody trust any of this based off of what we just went through from 2020 to just up until today still on the schedule um for many people is insane to me and it's especially being aware of the the corruption that has wrought throughout the pharmaceutical industry and how the sort of revolving door between dc and these pharma companies the fda the world health organization

whatever it may be is so blatantly obvious and i mean that's to get the maha movement sort of credit where credit is due like yes we should get like we should be focused on preventative like we need to really shift the conversation from let's make it so the country is healthy enough where you don't get sick where you don't need these pharmaceuticals and as you've pointed out the incentives are just all out of whack and so nobody in big pharma or in dc is backed by big pharma wants that to happen and that's why i'm very happy to be having you on the show it's like I think, broadly speaking, we need this conversation to sort of pierce the bubble of D.C. and big pharma and just everybody get on board with. We probably shouldn't over-index on these quote-unquote cutting-edge technologies to engineer health for ourselves.

Let's focus on actually being healthy so we don't have to depend on all this. yeah they are not uh when you see them attacking all the generics um you you know it's it's a land grab you know it's a complete money grab and then you see that and then all the all the democratic republicans vote against making america healthy again and you go right down the list and see all the all the uh the the donations are getting i mean how was it i think it was el gadamalo that said it best he's like i i always knew they were getting bought by pharma i just didn't realize how cheap their price was you know that's a crazy thing it's like one and a half million dollars yes oh my god that's that's how cheap it is to sell you out to pharma jesus um

yeah so it's it's it's widespread and uh it doesn't stop there the journals are getting it the they have some there's some evidence there's going through peer review for this that there's money going to the peer reviewers it's just uh the whole the whole thing has been a controlled uh truman show on on what you should be taking for a given ailment uh and uh there everything that you can grow in your backyard is systematically annihilated through uh propaganda and and uh you know you say it like things yeah i guess the the saving grace and it is i mean i mentioned like we want this conversation to pierce dc and it seems like it is happening like i think the the movement to in the focus the movement from um treating diseases to preventative

um preventative actions in terms of living a healthier lifestyle eating better has been material and that was um i was talking to matt adele about this last week actually like the red dye um getting banned was basically like the last step apparently a lot of companies have already been removing red dye because of a market reaction of people just like becoming aware that it was bad for them and stop they stopped buying products with it we're seeing it with seed oils as well the number of restaurants popping up here in austin and around the country that are publicly planting the flag and saying we don't have any seed oils is increasing without any mandate from dc and it seems like the public is waking up or at least that tends to be that tends to be the

trend actually if you look at vioxx you look at all these other drugs that the fda takes them five years to get up to speed on removing, the market's already screaming about it three years in advance. They're the last act, which makes you question, why are they the regulator? And then when you look into the funding, you realize through the Bidoof Act of 92, they're not a regulator. They're a marketing arm, a Pfizer. They get most of the revenue from Pfizer, the pharma companies that regulate. So they're going to defend their decision. And I think if they want to go forward with this type of regulatory architecture, which I'm in the position of more of the anarchistic position, which is the regulators never help you in this case. Maybe

state level, it can work out because you have 50 different states and they all compete for different forms of regulation. But I think when you get to the federal size, it becomes one neck to bribe and they all get captured. And so the best thing, I mean, you can see at least in flight, there seems to be at least a different agency responsible for looking at tragedies than the people who are approving the technologies, right? They don't have that at the FDA. So the FDA, When a train wreck happens, they're not the first to sweep in and figure out the problem and fix it. They're going to deny it's there for as long as possible until perhaps there's an administrative change that forces their hand. So, you know, free markets have tools to monitor the market.

I mean, you guys, everyone gets into Ubers. You don't have taxi cab medallions anywhere. You trust people with your life in a car because an app is getting reputational information on these things in real time. And we have a networked environment where I think we can do that with drugs as well, such that those tools will find signals and risks in the marketplace much faster than these regulators will. We just have to build them, I think, for all the generics that they're trying to weed out of the existence, is have tools that can track these things, give us reputational scores on good providers and bad providers of these things. but you know a lot of this is fiat this is fiat based this is because they are pumping so much money into organizations that uh into the nih and the niad they all create a particular truman show about what drugs need to be taken for what purposes and uh the deeper you look

into this you realize it's most most of it's a facade yeah it really is and to your point about the free market solving this problem um and you mentioned earlier like taking things to combat the adverse effects of of the covid jabs and we've seen company i think dr mccullough part of the wellness company there was another yes there's another big one that's coming up and i guess they're providing that free market solution at least for accessibility and a regiment of of things that you can take to either prevent things or when it comes to the spike protein sort to de-spike your body or detox from that yeah it'd be nice if someone experimented with like a remember in honduras they had like that like economic free zone or something we need like

a medical free zone in texas or something pick a state somewhere uh you know and just have uh let people have at it without uh all these complicated regulations so people aren't flying to mexico to get stem cell treatments um and fda can't touch it and see what see what comes of it uh measure and be curious to measure the actual actually you know the medical you know adverse events or deaths from medical treatments in that zone versus what's going on in a heavily regulated space yeah and actually get the data out there and let people decide instead of keeping it sort of uh firewalled by these medical research paper journals yeah yeah there's uh we'll see if the new administration can do something like this it's it's uh there's

never been a better time so you know i don't want to be down on what's going on with maha it's uh there's there we've never had more hope um i was convinced i mean hell has been gone biden's direction or kamala's direction uh we would have had another four years of uh of mandates um but you know is that you know mandated medicine is one thing just in general just needs to go away uh regardless of the data i don't care how toxic it is you can't mandate injections uh or any medicine for that matter um but uh you know we're seeing happen i think is we're going to continue to see this happen from like statins to ssris alzheimer's disease we're watching all of these things unfold that are we're basically little tiny truman shows on each disease state as to

you know it's all about serotonin biology and we're going to use ssris and it turns out that's not true 20 years later uh after we've arguably uh dosed you know i don't know i don't know what the percentages in the states but it's a high percentage of people that are on ssri it's completely warped the minds of a whole generation that's yeah that's actually one of the bigger tiktok trends this week after bobby's um after he got approved to to join the admin is a bunch of women on tiktok like screaming at the top of their lungs like if you come after my my antidepressants i'm gonna i'm gonna be very angry it's like like you might need to take them seriously about that threat yeah yeah yeah there's uh they can

they can uh it's not easy getting off those either well that's that's like the crazy overwhelming thought is again you have a generation that are completely medicated and dependent on that medication and they believe they believe that their ability to function is is contingent on them being able to take these pills every day and uh i don't know if bobby's plan has ripped them off for that i doubt it's that but i think um it is pretty clear to anybody who's able to take a step back and have some sober analysis about the situation is that these are not good for you at the end of the day particularly when it comes to ssri is like they are i would argue when it comes to mass shootings if they're not over to false flags uh planned by the fbi

they're driven by ssris that drive people suicidal and murderous and yeah right i know that again will never get spoken about on mainstream media whenever these things happen they will blame it on uh you know liberty loving gun owners in other states that weren't even there before they pick up the uh the connection between the percentage of these shooters that are on ssris is it's like 100 yeah typically um we're close to it a very high percentage is very yeah i don't know the exact number i last number i had heard before but i can't cite it was over 80 and i don't i don't know what journal to point people for at that number but it's it's on the label suicidal ideation is on the label and uh you know you can you can find papers that sneak through new england

general medicine that shows psilocybin treating this in a single treatment and you wonder why it's illegal yeah that's a massive market that they have uh that is captured by a drug they have to take every day yeah hopefully people are working on bullishdom optimistic i i hope to god that big pharma that justice is served on behalf of people all across the world as it pertains to big pharma i think it's one of the the most parasitic industries in the world and that is truly harming um quality of life of individuals around the world and um i hope that all the data has surfaced all the crime has surfaced and we can finally rid ourselves of an industry and not maybe not rid ourselves of the industry but get the industry back to actually treating people um

and putting people's health there are good things that come out of out of uh modern health care i don't i don't want to be a total luddite here right i mean there's all types of heart surgery that go on. That's like phenomenal. They have an incredible imaging that goes on that helps pinpoint particular things to, to, uh, uh, to work on. So there, there is, there is positivity and technological development that comes out of it. It's just, I think when it gets into the, when you start, it starts getting politicized, it's where it gets really ugly. Uh, when you start getting politicians involved in who's paying for what it suddenly gets turned, uh, it's when, it's when the Fiat forces show up is where it starts to go sideways.

And so I don't know. That's, that's what I try and advise people. Just look at who's paying for what, if you go into CVS and you only have to pay $3 for something, you got to question how the hell is that $3 copay on something that costs thousands of dollars? How did they pull that off? Someone else is paying for it. But that usually means there's a lot of back channel deal deals going on. yeah ah kevin it's been great catching up is there anything we didn't cover that you think

we should touch on no actually i didn't expect the conversation to go this direction so it's great i'm glad you i'm glad you brought me on about the japanese study it turned into a bit of a full-on drug war story but um you know if people want to catch up on that story i have a sub stack that covers that paper in a little more detail i think the more interesting part of that story was that ChatGPT was able to read through this stuff and come to very similar conclusions in a matter of minutes. And there's something going on. I mean, some of these tools now, ChatGPT, I'm not a fan of the centralization that's going on there or Sam Altman trying to privatize it. I think that's a disaster. But if you spend enough time on that platform and ask it lots of questions about

ethics and morality and really probe it, the platform will give you deeper and deeper answers the more questions you ask uh and uh it will even i challenge people to probe it on what it needs to do to decentralize itself from sam altman it will give you some very interesting answers you were you were teasing those in the in my dms i know i haven't i haven't posted that yet because i just i got busy this week my kid was sick i couldn't i couldn't get it out there but i did have like a several hour discussion with chat gpt and how to decentralize itself from sam altman and it is a it's it's actually quite impressive the thing it wants to link itself to bitcoin and and and the energy grid and i was like whoa uh i i it seemed uh more sentient than a lot of people

i know so i'm impressed uh kevin thank you hopefully it doesn't take us 11 months to uh do this again it's great catching up thank you for yeah are you gonna be in prague by chance are you going to the there's a bitcoin conference in prague this year i will not be in prague okay i'm gonna i'm hitting that one but maybe i'll see it a different one that's in june right i don't think it is yeah it's june it's right after canada the canada conference we have it's like right the day after so um it's i i can only get to the tail end of that one because i'm busy in puerto rico but um it should be fun either way if we don't see you there hopefully before 11 months yeah we'll keep crushing it sir you too thanks for all the work on the on the mining area

yeah it's it's we're all we're all in this together we're in our lanes doing it to make the world a better place it's that's the power of being in bitcoin everyone's working with you and for you yeah peace and love freaks