TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #611: Only 10% Are Using AI Correctly with Rod Roudi

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

Marty sits down with Rod Roudi to discuss vibe coding and raising kids with AI. Rod on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rodroudi/ Texas Energy and Mining Summit: https://www.meetup.com/bitcoin-park-austin/events/305924136/ 0:00 - Intro 0:35 - Sports dads who vibe code 11:08 - Fold & Coinkite 12:44 - Austin convergence and meetups 20:27 - Unchained 20:55 - AI careers 25:58 - Leveling up children’s creativity 33:00 - Triple convergence 39:09 - Playing with AI tools 48:03 - How TFTC uses AI 53:08 - Bitcoin is the safest place 55:51 - Austin convergence again 1:03:38 - Texas Energy & Mining Summit Shoutout to our sponsors: Fold https://tftc.io/fold Coinkite https://coinkite.com Unchained https://unchained.com/tftc/ Join the TFTC Movement: Main YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TFTC21/videos Clips YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUQcW3jxfQfEUS8kqR5pJtQ Website https://tftc.io/ Newsletter tftc.io/bitcoin-brief/ Twitter https://twitter.com/tftc21 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/tftc.io/ Nostr https://primal.net/tftc Follow Marty Bent: Twitter https://twitter.com/martybent Nostr https://primal.net/martybent Newsletter https://tftc.io/martys-bent/ Podcast https://www.tftc.io/tag/podcasts/

You've had a dynamic where money's become freer than free. When you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts. So it's all acting like safe haven. I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor. i mean that's part of the bull case for bitcoin if you're not paying attention you probably should be remember when you said pom-pom bang bang remember back in the day bang bang i've lost a lot of those i don't drink as much

on the podcast i don't say bang bang anymore i don't start every episode with sub freaks really yeah well you're killing it uh and the old school marty was killing it new school marty is killing it even more um i remember way back in the day it was bang bang was your line that's when we did the clap remind me of that bang bang we would uh that was a college hang on it was one of the things my college groups would say we'd look bang bang and then uh became a tick on the podcast but yeah now we got kids and uh funny enough so do you uh you're both your boys do you coach any of their teams are they playing any sports right now or no the oldest playing t-ball okay i do not coach but i'm a very big sport i go to practice okay good and you should practice

tomorrow night yeah so uh i pushed myself and i forget if we did this on the last episode i talked about this but um i raised my hand or i'm raising my hand and have raised my hand for every single of my kids sporting activities to either coach assistant coach or be the lead volunteer uh and now i'm coaching one t-ball team two soccer teams and i just finished up like being the lead parent on the girls basketball team anyways i say all that it's like it's a forcing function to show up because if you're the coach you have to show up but if you're like just a parent like oh i can just drop them off or i won't be there at all the practices anyways right before we record it i got this email to all the parents i uh from the league officials of our t-ball team

i mean and i think our boys are the same age uh mine's four years this one's four years old it's like i'm so disappointing in the parents behavior you guys are like you know x y and z and i'm just like dying just like nine paragraph email what are you guys tailgating at the uh t-ball so i think it's i don't think it's the t because it goes t ball all the way up to like sixth grade little league so i think it's probably the older kids and the older parents and so i'm making a little bit more competitive i mean if i can get these kids just to hit the ball it's a win yeah right so anyways it just shows we've we've progressed to the point of the season where a pure out is a big okay or if you feel the ground ball and throw it to first before the

runner gets there that's that's a win that's more that's more impactful than scoring a run because everybody scores a run in t-ball oh we don't even count scores yeah there's no scores being counted but like everybody you hit you get on base like even if you get thrown out you stay on base yeah everybody runs around so the uh the side stat that the dads are watching is is a pure pure outplay i respect um but some of these kids can freaking smack the ball i'm like hey uh that's another thing especially my brain it's like we were just talking about ai stuff i delete pretty much everything that doesn't need to be stored in memory uh because i just depend on any of these ai stuff just to like query the information and get it near term to me but kids names i'm like

storing it in deep memory so i can rattle off like from hunter hill like all the kids names but these kids can freaking hit the ball they can and on that point i was actually after church yesterday after easter mass we were walking around and we go to mass the same uh the church my kids go to school at and i'm bad with names like this job like having conversations 600 plus episodes nice meeting company founders investors like so many names and i'm like i made a point after mass yesterday when i couldn't remember somebody's name i was like i actually want to use ai to like get like a picture of the kids class ideally their parents too and just like do like a memory game once a week of yep face the name so if we can just

brainstorm on this because i love this stuff creating it's all about the systems right so the the output or a gameification is that quiz game or card game which i completely agree with the i have not cracked the code on a great personal crm so for example yeah exactly my my son's t-ball team the parents the names there's now 17 names there my daughter's soccer team it's 18 girls for 5v5 by the way which is hilarious uh and then my other son's soccer team i think is like 13 boys and boys and girls and there's a way through an ai agent i'm pretty sure and i you know i'm not i'm very very sure where you can have an interface with like like whatsapp or whatever then it can go into an air table right that you create then you could

just query that uh air table and you can actually take pictures and be like hey discern these people's pictures put them into a table with their names and so on here's the the names and then you can get that information pretty much seamlessly done input wise and then output you pretty much can extract that that name or information on in real time as as quickly as possible apple that was like the apple ai commercials the apple shit the bed so bad it's unbelievable but you can make you can make the do you are you uh the commercial are you familiar with it so it was the uh the girl from the show on hbo the zombie show whatever she was the lead actress and the commercial uh and she's basically like siri i met this guy two weeks ago at this place what's

name then siri like automatically probably says oh that's joe absolutely not siri does not siri cannot even get like the weather local i'm flying to austin this morning i'm like what's the weather in austin and it's just like could not even get that information back to me no it's freaking so but you can you can build these systems yourselves totally we're vibe coding at bitcoin park austin we are vibe code they vibe card vibe coding is hard in nashville as we are here i think they are as well i think both places especially um i'll say this now with bitcoin park austin the density of developers engineers and entrepreneurs here in austin texas is unbelievable straight up um february 1 when we you know started this project and converting from commons to bitcoin park austin

i was so impressed and astonished by how many bitcoiners there are just like in this austin area um it's like you have a full deck of cards here we're like in nashville and nashville now we do have a prominent scene and like it's awesome but when we started there was just like nobody really there that was a bit corner then mac came and then a couple other people came then all of a sudden it started like growing and growing but here you guys got a full deck and it's been awesome yeah i feel extremely fortunate and lucky like you just saw like yeah little interactions i have with tony my kind of vibe coding like is this the right prompt and he's like i gotta fix this like it's a cheat code for me personally it exactly and and so where i see bitcoin park austin nashville

so we have the physical places which are unbelievable just to have that spontaneous collisions right of tony's here marks is here and you're working on something and honestly like i think you're serious about the this opportunity cost idea i hope i'm not uh we won't get too far into it you can you can but uh but uh i think it's a brilliant idea and i think i think more and more of these uh you know not to go on a complete tangent but like as people are debating especially coming out of high school what to do with their lives i hope a lot of people think and are able to create some simple small businesses right that can scale pretty quickly and they get money in their pocket to the point where they're like what the opportunity cost of

me going and paying all this money to go to college versus me just concentrating on building this out let me spend my gap here and just build a business and hopefully that compounds and continues to go and go and go which would be freaking awesome yeah we just had an exam with guy who created the uh the macro tracking app cal.ai i think it's called okay he blew up on x a couple weeks ago because he was uh he basically got uh rejected from all the top oh i saw that thread top universities i was like bro you created one of the most popular apps of the last year like you do not need to go to college what's the um what's that test where it's like you see the same thing but you interpret it differently it's like uh it's not a rorschach twist yeah yeah yeah

so i read that tweet and i read it as like badass you know like oh man this is so awesome you know you found it even though you got rejected you took that as a chip on your shoulder and you just started something and did it and the other people were like some people were saying just like negating higher education for some reason or something along those lines but yeah i didn't really follow that i i don't think the university has a stance today is going to exist in the same state when our kids are in college i don't think that's a bad thing either i think it's not it's very uncomfortable for people right now as universities are getting a lot of warranted blowback due to dei policies um admissions policies and more recently the the endowment

story competition is a beautiful thing that one high school student competing deciding whether he he or she should go to college or start a business or UATX unbelievable stuff that is right across the street from here. I've been spending a lot of time there the last few weeks. It's really impressive what they're doing. So freaking lucky. So freaking lucky. You guys have that here. I mean, Joe Lonsdale, I believe is the, one of the founders of that place with what Anthony Rosario and, and those folks just, they did the Satoshi papers. I don't know if you were here. I was there for morning okay last wednesday yeah that was so well attended like they're just they it seems like they get it from a university standpoint and they're also leaning into the bitcoin area uh which makes

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the satoshi paper symposium that they had last wednesday but i think what finally clicked for me is just the concentration which you alluded to of talent yeah in this city it's it's in not only the concentration of talent but the concentration of individuals open to exploring new things whether it's bitcoin uh university models whatever it may be so not only like the the density of talent we're printing developers engineers and entrepreneurs in austin what's really nice is like across all texas as well so i don't know how many people i've met now from dallas houston west texas round rock like all of these different pockets and they're developing their own like little bitcoin ecosystems in those areas as well which is just you know in nashville pretty much have

nashville there's not really a big memphis scene there's some scene in chattanooga but not to the level that we have in nashville but it feels like in texas at least there's a bunch of amazing pockets that are happening like mario really love that guy from giga he's crushing it in houston doing that scene over there there's a number of folks in dallas um the guy that runs the round rock meetup jason he's killing it he was just up we were hosted grouse roots bitcoin at bitcoin park nashville uh two weeks ago it was you were missed um we had about 50 plus meetup organizers from all over the us and we just jammed for for a good day it was good yeah and it's bitcoin touches everything it's beginning to expand that was it was cool to see speaking of

tony like him and justin spinning up the ai meetup socratic's socratic uh style ai meet up here they did it like i walked over so what are you guys doing tonight you're like oh we're actually throwing an ai meet up here i was like thanks for letting me know they're like oh we just announced like an hour ago yeah so this is and i hope this doesn't sound like i'm shilling bitcoin park but this is one of the coolest reasons to start a physical third space is like justin and anthony had just messaged in our group chat like hey is it cool and with like a little less than 48 hours notice like is it cool after the satoshi papers we run a ai uh that ai austin meetup i'm like down no problem just uh we have a one hour buffer between those people flipping out you guys

flipping it they said it went great and now it looks like they're not only going to do a socratic uh once a month they're going to also do a demo and workshop once a month so they're gonna have two high quality ai focused meetups and it reminds me of the days when steve myers in nashville uh finally because i really wanted a bit devs there and he was like hey i'll run bit devs here we'll call it nash bit devs i'm like absolutely here are the keys here's our meetup page have at it what are the resources you need let's let's go and make it happen and super low lift but the key is you need the leader of that area you or i can't just continue to lead all of them or we i would be um a fake i don't know what the right word is but like uh um it

wouldn't have the same a larp as the kids are calling i'm a larp in a lot of things but like that would be a major larp um and uh yeah it just wouldn't have the same je ne sais quoi so like for those two guys especially justin to get that energy back in the room who had started he was i don't think he started bit devs but it was one of the main leaders early on of austin bit devs now he started it he started he's the first one at the library oh sick then yeah exactly and so taking that energy and that goes again to the depth of the talent that is here so where i see or can see like a bitcoin park austin or bitcoin park nashville or just in general is the convergence between all of these amazing innovations so you see bitcoin ai energy those

are the going to be the three areas of focus um as it relates to bitcoin park i could see over the next five years and i'm going to spend and this is all this like areas like i really care about like we got the texas energy mining summit coming up uh may 6th and 7th like the energy focus is going to be insane there uh but there's a little touch of ai ai hbc there obviously bitcoin's a big component of it um but you're going to see that seep out to all these other areas within bitcoin as well payments you know global and grassroots bitcoin adoption you know ai and bitcoin just what a freaking time to be alive for us yeah no it does feel like they're converging ai and bitcoin specifically whether it's on the energy side or i think more and more on the

technical that's why i'm very excited that anthony and justin are starting this meetup because i like i'm saying like i'm showing anthony like i'm vibe coding like i need help i need this reassurance too and like the meetup and just thinking back to my early days we're going to put devs in new york city the first one i went to like an incredible immense amount of imposter syndrome and just went stomached it and had no idea about 90 of the conversation but kept going year after year a new tool you learn something new from this person and then all of a sudden you're like you're taking those two things and applying it to the uh your newsletter well it was like that so that was january 2015 was my first bit devs i went consistently for

two years and by doing that for two years i think that was part of the reason i was confident enough to start the newsletter because i feel like i've gone to enough and talked with enough of these developers to have a enough of an understanding of bitcoin to confidently write about it and try to educate others about it and if that meetup didn't exist in new york who knows that this media company even exists that was literally what i was just about to think is say imagine if that meetup didn't exist right and then conversely imagine all the meetups that are existing and all of the products and services and and businesses that are coming out of those just because it started at a meetup you know like two guys getting together or one person saying hey you know what i

want to write about this that's where i think especially with the ai tooling going there's no excuse from going zero to one now you should be like now the next excuse is like do you have the consistency and discipline and grit to go from one to a hundred or one a hundred to a thousand right and so i think guys like you are in the best position possible because you've built not only an amazing distribution engine but you've built a trusted brand in the place so the next product or service that you offer already has 90% of the way there. And now you don't need to go out and go hire five people to develop an app or 10 people to design a website or 20 people to do sales for you. You just need one idea that can kind of tie into your audience. That is

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That's unchained.com slash tftc. and many people are dooming about it what would be the doomer comment well it's like they're going to take all all the jobs yeah good all the jobs are going to go away those are jobs that we need probably need to go away and then i would bet on human ingenuity 10 out of 10 every day twice on sunday i bet on human ingenuity when your back is up against the wall or if you're given the opportunity and resources and tooling you will create something better and you'll create jobs for 10 20 30 100 people i guarantee it and i was also i forget if we talked about this on the last product but i was thinking a lot like if i was in high school right now you know one job i

would do i would be a door dash delivery guy you know why why because all you gotta do is just get dinged on your phone go pick up the food and drop it off you don't even have to have any interaction with the person right with uber you have to like potentially talk to somebody you can't be on the phone talking to somebody because it's like rude you know you got somebody in the back people do it anyway yeah but you could listen to a podcast full blast you could you could vibe code voice to text while doordash delivering you know and making money on the side in high school so i was just thinking about it i'm like that's probably the the best job if you needed a job to do right now before the robots come that's like the short term short to medium term probably the

bet one of the best jobs i was doing before this that's what logan was doing before this you know there you go you may want to keep it on the side just in case but you know no logan you're you have some job security here the uh no it's it's honestly if you're not using ai yet you're doing a massive disservice to yourself and i i think that's one thing that i really realized over the last couple months is that it is still very niche like if you're not on x if you're not aware of anything like people aren't using it and like in my like last night we did an easter uh tenderloin roast and my dad had this way of cooking the tenderloin and i i couldn't remember the exact details but i like went into 03 and was like hey cooking this tenderloin three and a half pounds

my dad had this way of doing it where he'd like jack up the oven to 500 and then you'd lower it to 225 like how how like are you aware of this type of cooking and like and he was like yes this is the uh it's called like toast and coast method and you do it for 25 minutes or 15 minutes of 500 then put on 225 for 45 minutes and it's funny because my wife at the same time in parallel was trying to find it just through typical google search and she was complaining in the kitchen like i don't want to read seven paragraphs and you're trying to sell me something having to click all these ads like just tell me how to do it and she couldn't find it and like i found it literally 30 seconds and just gave me the answer and to go through any paragraphs of some cooking

blog or whatever is so here's where my not my doomer take but my all those liberal arts degrees may actually pay off for being able to articulate because they're going to be able to go in and be like being able to speak to the AI is going to like prompt engineering is going to be the number one requested skill

like if I'm hiring somebody for them to be able to speak like right now I don't even I know to a degree the differences in models but I don't know to the best of like oh I need to do that with O3 versus Lama versus DeepSeek versus whatever I'm not there yet I'm just like one model or

whatever grok's quick easy let me just go ask it the question but the fine tuning and then the temperature control and all of the different prompts and like i think with o3 it's got memory so that now when it's like hey what's my uh rest in peace my father's recipe uh for this you can do a shorter prompt right and then i'll recite it back yeah like when did i ask you about this oh yeah for easter of the you know 2024 is when you asked me about this and blah blah so it's like man so like one of the things i do with my daughter like driving her to school is i do the voice to um voice interaction with the ai still and it's just like because i want to train her to do the prompts because that's it's the whatever is happening in the world especially on the

education to bring it all the way full circle it has to change like uh we go to a catholic school and i'm actually meeting with the this is how crazy i am the all girls principle of where my daughter will go to school i'm having a meeting with her just to discuss the not the curriculum or the programming it's just like the process and i just wanted to be as open as possible for them to learn these tools as much as quickly as possible like we shouldn't be like oh you can't use the ai to do this it's like no like let's level up everything you know what it levels up specifically is the Montessori model because the Montessori model is all about like let individual children explore what they're what they're interested in sort of um cater to that

that natural inclination towards one subject or another that they have but it's limited in the sense that like you have only x amount of teachers in the room to be able to nurture that individual sort of interest that each child has now with AI tools you can just literally give them the software to accelerate that that sort of interest that they have totally yeah it's man i just i that's why i'm going to just continue to be nice to my kids continue to be present because they're going to be smarter than me by the age of 10 they're going to be running that's why i also want to stay up up to speed on all these tools as much as possible because they're going to be running around i us on all this stuff like our oldest you just turned five and like this

is the year where i'm like all right it's time to leaning lean we tried the um i tried to do like reading in 100 lessons last summer his attention span just wasn't there but like in the last two weeks he's been writing a lot more and reading and i'm like oh you know how to read now like i need to like and so now i'm like all right now it's probably like a better opportunity to step in and be like all right let's let's actually learn how to read properly and help accelerate see that that right there i think kids are just born geniuses all kids there's not like oh this kid's really talented and this kid's not all kids are geniuses in general i fundamentally believe that and i believe that just being consistently there and supportive they will it all of a sudden

clicks well it's your son reading and then you're like whoa you just i'm not a reason writing or now he's writing writing words my daughter yesterday he came up to me he's like daddy look attic and wrote it i was like attic yeah i was like what attic under your head logan how do you spell it i can't spell anything um but a hundred percent and like you go into this basketball story i have i'll share this video with you when we're done here but like these girls are in kindergarten i mean they could barely like chew bubblegum right and by the end of the season my daughter had stolen the basketball one time dribbled it all the way to the other end i mean brick the layup but whatever it was like

one of the most proudest moments i've ever had in my life just to experience that and so i think creating these environments and creating the tools around them to have them just adapt and let their creativity and ingenuity flourish will just be so rad it's exciting no dooming no blackpilling it's chaotic

it's unnerving but it's ultimately beneficial I think so Peter too who I think very highly of I think he says it well like you shouldn't ever be all the way on the doomer side and you shouldn't be like super super optimistic as well because both are in the same pit like you're going to lose on both

ends so I'm like center right in terms of optimism side here because for brains like mine that are more process driven a little bit less but like now i have all the tooling to actually get out my thoughts and ideas in a systematic way i knock i look at the glass half full like for the next 50 i'm gonna live i'm not going to 160 so the next like 120 plus years we're gonna be rocking rocking i like that i like that optimism the uh heck yeah man we so like you're gonna you're gonna live to see your great great great grandkids this is gonna be this is what we should all strive for so i forget if i again sorry if i'm repeating myself but uh 160 is a number because i'm a little

north of 40 years old so my first quarter of my life is over i got four young kids six four three and two and i want to this next 40 to 80 is build some quality businesses but most importantly like what's more scarce than bitcoin time okay what's more scarce than time time with our kids because no matter what there's a shelf life there and matt right now not to freak you out but with your son the five-year-old you have probably 12 more years with them in the house 12 years dude 12 years goes like that i know you've been bitcoin 12 years or something like that yeah you know or 10 years now and so it's like oh man that's why the forcing function of like coaching all the kids like unless it's the rarest of rare occasions like always primary

blocks of all the kids plays all of them just to attend because a lot of these parents like you look at them they look successful on paper like hey i made 100 million dollars blah blah but i'd give up all of it just so i could go see my kid in the christmas play it's like what yeah yeah like okay i'm gonna go see my kid in the christmas play and i'll make like one 100th of that and that makes that's a winning trade for me uh it totally is now you're like a mental note like i better make it to practice i've missed one practice this season and by the way it's not the just like let me back up because it's like it easily can come off as like oh it's a reprioritization a realization because i'm a little older and i and i have young kids and looking up to a lot of

successful people and then asking them what do you have any regrets or what are those other things and it always comes back to their kids and it always comes back to spending time with them yeah and i'm like okay i want to be in the regret minimization business how do i minimize as much of my regrets well if i elongate my time period out so that like that 80 to 120 or like 60 to 120 period is like when i'm like really accelerating in the business because 90 of my live-in time with my kids is over by the time they're like 17 18 years old so it's time to build like multi big businesses will be later in life right now it's kid prioritization yeah yeah we've got another one on the way too let's let's it's uh that's amazing i know i'm trying

to catch up yeah so your boys are five and three two almost three yeah three yeah and you see you spaced them out perfectly because the oldest will be sweet the to the newborn and uh they'll both be sweet don't get me wrong but like the middle one will have a little bit of like wait what's going on here um but dude it is now you're in like not man-to-man defense is over it's over although you're gonna be around a lot of families so that's that's massive yeah it'll be fun it's exciting that's uh we'll see if we can get catch up to you i hope we can but uh no it's just great and it's it's fun especially like it is sort of uh it is sort of unnerving having children now while like it has become more and more obvious by the day that we're at this crazy inflection

point in human history we have bitcoin coming coming to market and it's going to become the global reserve currency you have ai which is creating this insane sort of acceleration of human capacity by leveraging technology like i thought the internet uh like being a 90s baby and living in both the analog world where i remember when color id was first launched i think that was revolutionary to aol then eventually everything do you remember star 69 yeah yeah logan definitely does not but do you know what star 69 is logan oh my god like it's some like pornographic thing but no star 69 was to uh recite the last person that called you yeah so like someone would call you and you didn't have color id you missed the call you would hit star 69 and give you the number

that just called you and so you'd know what call you missed but like that was the technology back in the day you'd be like damn that girl that called me please and then just like the kids will never know what star 69 was nope they will not know what star 69 was yeah that was so cool but like again like that like from star 69 to caller id to the internet like i thought that was my like this ai stuff is just on a whole nother level so if i can soft leak something you already know this but um we're gonna do this in nashville uh imagine if september 19th or the 20th it's happening it's gonna be the convergence between bitcoin ai and energy um and uh hopefully you're there because i'm gonna have an awesome side stage for you guys that's gonna be like

just massive we're gonna have 21 speakers because i this convergence and collision between those three areas i want to bring some of the best minds in the world and have them deliver like a based Ted talk on how those areas can impact, you know, humanity. And, um, it'll be at the Fisher center for performing arts. So it's just like beautiful theater. And I feel like we need to have people showcase what the world can be, because I want to imagine like for my daughter in 12 years, what does it look like when she's going to college is I hope, you know, I know it won't be the same as it is today so what is that you know one thing i always think about is like our phones right now i don't have my phone on me or anything it's over there but um what if all

these phones just go away i mean i'm not all about putting a chip i'm not saying we're getting chipped but what if there's some other thing factor or form factor we're not even just thinking about that's why i go always go back to voice voice is so much more efficient than type so you know we're always looking down at the screens and then typing for the most part some voice with the airpods and so on and this is where like complete tangent but like tim cook great guy sure whatever elon should just buy apple or they should apple should just buy tesla and put elon a ceo because that whole place needs just like radical like overhaul for innovation the fact that they lost on this uh ai uh race and it's over because there's no catching up on the unless

they acquire they need a like acquire grok and elon and so on just to be shot in there and um uh to take over but uh it's a complete tangent on that on that no it's like to think they had like a 10-year head start with siri like they should have like how do you with siri bothers me to no end because everything i do or not everything majority of i do now is voice to text um and it's so bad it is so bad like now i use these apps like super whisper and these other intermediaries to do the the voice dictation stuff rather than going native to what apple should be best at is is that yeah the only thing i use siri for is setting timers siri set a 20 minute timer please yeah exactly she's good you know what's really interesting

is like the manners you know like i was just on a call with rob warren who's been crushing it at the park on the research and education side and we were doing some prompts and some other things and he's like please do this please do that it's actually good like we should be kind to the ais i always think about i always say please and thank you yeah in real life and to the ai yeah Cause good manners are just a good thing to live by. Yeah. I agree. I,

I couldn't agree more. And that's where, yeah, I, I'm so bullish on the future. Well, I am too, but going back to what I said earlier,

like it is astonishing to me having conversations with other people. Like I ran into a friend from the boys school. He works downtown too. And we ran into each other on the street. I was saying like, we need to catch up and get drinks. And I did the, and he's like private equity,

like in high finance, like very successful. And like, he was like, I was like, I don't have your cell phone number. He pulled out her, but that iPhone's pulled it out.

And I did like, yeah, I did the bump exchange. She was like astonished. She was like, what? You can do this. And he was like,

yeah, I just need my tech friend to show me. I was like, that was like one indicator. And then other is like, it's like talking to people about how I'm leveraging AI. And they're like, Oh,

like, how do I, how do I do this? Like, it seems pretty complex like you literally just download an app and start point being there's still a very small circle or bubble of people leveraging this stuff globally and i think it's important particularly if you understand the gravity of this inflection point and this phase change in productivity that's coming that you get people together to explain

this to them so whether it's the event in nashville in september or what we're doing here in a couple weeks yeah with the texas energy and mining summit like we need again these physical spaces of this idea exchange for people to become aware of this totally and then showcasing like that's why i love bitcoin so much because it's all about proof of work and like showcasing the real world application of it all and like it's going to be phenomenal and i do i do think this is like that golden period where we're still so early but the tooling is good enough that you can build like a quick business and all of a sudden get like 1k MRR, 10k MRR, or like a guy like you is probably going to crack the nut and be like, did I just build a better business than what I

built for the last 10 years with TFTC in one? It's like a joke where it's like one vibe coding session and I built like a 10X TFTC media company, but there's a non-zero chance that that's going to happen and that's the thing it's like taking a lot of reps and taking a lot of uh pulls at this so like on the ai side like if you have a hundred people i'm going to download whatever operator or whatever tool i'm going to put some prompts in and then it's not going to work and then all of a sudden 70 of those people was like ah ai doesn't work right now and they're going to go away the third year stay and i'll go for the second time and be like oh you know blah blah it didn't really work here and another 50 will just like roll off and the 15 will stay and it'll probably like

whittle down to like three or five that stick with it and then continue to test and test and build and they're going to be the ones that are just like crushing it absolutely crushing it yeah and it's it's only getting better too i think by the week at this point dude it especially on san jacinto day is that how you pronounce it jacinto um jacinto day jacinto day texas independence texas mexico congrats yeah thank you um the the tooling for true individual independence and uh sovereignty um yeah there's no better day than today that's for sure to start to start no that's like in going back to the kids conversation too we had uh we had my wife sister uh my brother-in-law and their kids in town last week they were on spring break and they came bills stay with us

the bills fans and um i was showing them i legofied the kids and they were mind blown right like we did it tuesday night we were just hanging out in the the back porch as i get together kids took a picture of them turned them into legos and they were like nuts like literally every third question for my for my oldest uh over the last week has been like turn that into a lego and like but like that is an example like they see like that is their star 69 it's like oh i can legify anything i want see that's where i what i haven't done this yet but i'm thinking through it is like getting an old ipad and then deleting all the apps and only figuring out a way just to make it only voice and then having one of the models there so that they can just practice and play

around with it and you can give it a master prompt like you're interacting with a five-year-old that's a really good point do not talk about anything that i wouldn't be comfortable having my five-year-old talk about and here are my values blah blah blah blah yeah that's actually a really good idea to do um i know that that that prompt master prompt and fine tuning is an another level of uh of stuff and then that's the other thing on the bitcoin side where i don't think and i but i have not cracked this code but was it you maybe tony or anthony that told me this like you there should be a game where you get one operator and be like hey you have you know 10 000 sats your goal is to now make this into a bitcoin do don't kill anyone do it very legally

based on the u.s laws and ethically based on this ethic code of ethics and go and make this into one bitcoin and then it's like you know like task rabbits this and whatever that you know because remember that red uh pin or the uh the paperclip red paperclip paperclip trade how can i turn a paperclip into a million dollars and didn't he do it he did it turns a million dollars yeah so like doing the red paperclip idea and empowering an ai agent to do the red paperclip would be really freaking cool and that's like an idea that probably will only work in the early days like once you do it once like it gets arbitraged out totally totally someone and there you go there's a one bitcoin idea right there because there's only 21 million bitcoin you can't do it 21 million

times or you could but i don't think you're gonna get this goes back to the point website dollar website what logan no the million dollar website where he sold like one pixel for a dollar no a million pixels you can only do that once yeah yeah 100 the uh and this is why i do think we're so early and that like you bring up this really good point which is like in the history of world like having these two tectonic shifts in terms of the money and the tech like we have this new money protocol and this we have this entirely new tech frontier both colliding at the same time what the heck is even like with these ai models how they're getting better and better and better every week it seems dude like half of me wants to

be like guys i need to take a six month break and just like freaking vibe code and just do stuff but you want to have too much fun with you know what excites me most these days right now tell me it's the thought of getting a desk with two monitors just so i can do all this like this is you freaks watching this right now this is my desk i sit here with my laptop on my lap and uh it feels very confounding in the sense that like i only have this it's it's a great comfortable chair but not conducive for uh the amount of productivity that i imagine i could have at a desk with two monitors and just being able to like go back and forth so uh i love let's go down the productivity rabbit hole because i love it i i would are for me at least the one

monitor is the most optimal i've tried the two i actually even tried three monitors it's just it doesn't work for me because like every single which way i'm always looking where is my mouse where's this thing and at the end of the day i just need to concentrate on one screen to do one task now with that point it's like this was pre-ai post-ai you could have like operator in one window open and it's just like or manus or whatever it is and they're running and you could kind of check in but it still also takes away from my uh focus a bit um but yeah like that'll be a a really cool have you been playing with manus i just got the invite or the access access um i haven't played with it as much have you i played with it a few times it's pretty it's pretty

so it competes with operator i haven't tried operator but i saw my menace but yeah this whole agentic framework where you can give it a prompt and it can do pretty complex tasks like i had made me first thing i had to do is make me a bitcoin dashboard based off of stats on check on chain like and like sentiment stats like where's the mirror multiple where's all this like what's the price what's the short-term holder ratio whatever maybe you sorry to cut you off but there was my one son got this like lego set for a small lego set for easter yesterday and then my other son the two-year-old took one of the monkeys and walked outside with it and there's like my father-in-law's like bigger grassy area and then i guess dropped it my son

was like super upset i'm like what if we had a drone take a picture of the the field and it was like hey you're like an expert you know you got an expert lens you're an expo you're an expert where's waldo player exactly where's the monkey here and then you're like okay if it worked out because i didn't test it out but if that worked which should you think it should then imagine you like take a drone all the way out on the beach right and be like hey do you see any gold or rings or silver or anything it's like yeah this coordinate you know those uh on the beach it's like the better version of a metal detector yeah you're gonna have the luddite metal detectors create a union to prevent you from flying the uh the gold finding drone over their operations

it's just like the weird my weird brain is like perfect for this oh man well we need more that's and it is back to your point about productivity and focus that's like one thing that is going to be important for all this because there's so many cool ideas you can go after it's like what is one thing that you can focus on to make your business better like we've been using it ai here at tftc for better part of six months just refining our process of like that's awesome models that we're using prompts that we're giving them how we're doing everything we need to do more and better especially at bitcoin park um we are uh i agree focus like so you have the newsletter you have the website you have the podcast um anything else i'm missing

yes i mean podcast is audio video so yeah see that's so cool because like now you have you're producing all this unique content especially on audio and video i can only imagine all the ways you're gonna you guys are gonna be able to like cut that up and then repurpose that and that's like in all the catalog of all the history you've had from you know well that's what we do on the video like there's a tool there's an ai tool called opus clips we just feed our backlog catalog catalog of youtube and any new episode we produce gets fed into it and it's or presents you new clips presents clips you can connect it to reddit and google trends and so like if something's trending and we've talked about in the past like here's a few clips of something

that's trending right now awesome i'm making a note of that so you can pull pull the trending clips and resurface old content that's um that's relevant to something being talked about today it's insane like what you're going to be able to do and then we take in the newsletter i'm not sure if you've noticed this but we've added a section which basically allows us to create this feedback loop of if you're reading the newsletter you should be listening to the podcast too so we'll take a section multiple sections of each podcast episode just we have a prompt that's like a description of a juicy section like have it as a section of the newsletter with a link back to the podcast and see that kind of iteration constant iteration that's like a little bit

lower lift but high creative thought is going to be the way i mean it's not even going to be it is the way like you're already creating all this amazing content because it gives you energy and you love to do it then you're like all right now all these different tooling let me just fine tune especially with a great talent like logan and others it's like hey we can add in a tool like an opus clips and then i that google trends idea is just so dang smart and so i think i think that's going to be the way most of us think about or at least i'm thinking about on the research and education side because one of the areas we don't have enough of are you like you marty i think in the bitcoin world where we're struggling a little bit is there's still so much

noise on crypto and alt coins and blockchains and stable coins and it kind of misses the bitcoin signal about separating money from state and really about freedom money okay so that's where at Bitcoin Park. We're actually going to partner with Kathy and the ARK Invest team. We're going to do quarterly research reports around bigger topics and dive much deeper into some of these topics. And hopefully that ties into some of the stuff that you're doing, some of the other summits that we're doing, the other meetups that we're doing, and all of this other stuff to just to get that signal across institutional investors, family offices, individuals, small business owners and the like because the more signal that we can continuously produce in the ways that they

consume information the better it is so what i would recommend to anyone out there is like you think you got an itch of somewhere something in bitcoin the tooling is out there just to produce it and get it out there and i would just start now because we need more bitcoin signal yeah and similar to the the stat you'll hear about podcasting is similar to what you said about people testing the ai tools start with 100 it's cut to 70 30 10 stick around like it's not intuitive it is nation technology but keep iterating playing with it you'll have like a breakthrough totally like our one prompt that produces that section of the newsletter i'm pretty sure it's like 15 pages long now it's like a master prompt whoa making sure like it talks in our voice and picks the right

section and doesn't talk about crypto but talks about bitcoin and focuses on certain things so to like create this master is that part of the bitcoin brief yeah okay i love that that email is so good um yeah exactly like and that's the other thing i think being focused on bitcoin you'll win in the long term whereas everybody was like you know still so broad in all of the all of the things they're just it just you're just joining the entire crowd and your entire herd so Yeah. And, and that's talking about strategic advantage and having that advantage for a certain amount of time. People are still very confused. Like we see it all the time at 1031 talking to like, why should I invest in a fund that's focused only on Bitcoin and not diversified across broader crypto? there's still that human inclination um and of i'm not quite sure so i think i should diversify but uh people really feel like the concentration of focus and investment around bitcoin is something

that is some people see it as like oh that seems risky but like to me it's like the least risky thing it could be doing totally i i think the more people still think their common denominator their scoreboard is measured in dollars or fiat it's harder to convince somebody to be like hey should focus on a sats flow which you guys really famously coined which i love um and or a bitcoin denominated focused fund like for me other than investing all everything i got in bitcoin park i had extra capital it would be invested in a fund like 1031 for sure hands down not to show you guys but like why dude i my hurdle rate is bitcoin that is the hurdle rate so when you and i was talking with a family friend who's like did very well in a big exit he was complaining

about his wealth advisor and he was like yeah i was rod i was asking him like why aren't we putting like a couple million and it's a bitcoin i'm like oh let me answer you to quite that question charlie he doesn't get compensated on any bitcoin related product you know and so he's like i know this fucking guy i'm like yeah just look at the last 15 years in terms of what that hurdle rate should be and so the better question for guys like you or they these investors probably should be asking is like how do you outperform bitcoin like okay i have a million dollars i want to give to you or i want to buy bitcoin with it how do i make that investment better than uh just investing in in the asset and that's the best question because it makes you guys better it makes the

market better it makes the investor better it makes everybody better because they treat the going all the way back to the one of the first things we're talking about the opportunity cost of oh i just diversified across all these alt coins and shit coins and whatever and then i had two percent allocation in bitcoin and that two percent saved my ass because it outperformed all this other 98 garbage yeah you know if it was a hundred percent i would have outperformed bitcoin potentially it's uh it's like again it's a fun time to to be at this intersection i think i'm more convinced than ever this intersection like am bitcoin whether that's on the energy side agents using bitcoin as currency or simply bitcoin businesses founders teams i mean we're already

seeing like anthony and marks are two-man team building probably one of the coolest products very niche but um when you understand the profundity of the privacy assurances that come with open secret it's like oh every app should be using this and they're totally building it out at a insane pace with two people i know that is an example of you guys are investors in them yes sick ai accelerating founders to build and from an opportunity cost like how do you outperform bitcoin like that's what we look for like how can you do more with less because the less people you have to hire the less money you're spending on headcount as opposed to putting in the bitcoin and building a product at at the same if not an increased pace that's going to get to market

get to revenue faster get to profitability faster and allow you to stack more bitcoin in your treasury and the idea is that the founders can do that efficient do it fast totally do it profitably like and then get and you guys help with that mindset i mean most founders i want to say you are bitcoiners that you're probably investing in but even if they're like amazing founders and they are indirectly involved in bitcoin at least you guys are bringing that expertise on the treasury management side on the discipline side whereas a lot of these other folks are like looking at the capital and just we got to get our treasury management is like deploying it and maybe human capital or like other areas where it's those people like we i will reeves on we just did this

last it actually should be published on thursday the bitcoin brainstorm we had matt cole from strive will and odell on and uh will is such a good operator he's got like a good head discipline around increasing his Bitcoin balance sheet as it relates to Fold, a publicly traded company, while building a great profitable business. And you guys invested in Fold, right? And that just is...

Those are the next wave of founders that we're both very fortunate to be in our circles of just being able to learn from. I feel like you're in that circle too. You're doing here at Bitcoin Park. the events with everything going on like you're leverage you're again applying this ai thing for a bitcoin company the way you're leveraging on the back end to create efficiencies on the operation side uh to basically make sure that you can do more with your time to make the business even

better like it's happening like when you talk about the intersection of bitcoin and crypto or excuse me bitcoin and crypto bitcoin and ai i think it's threefold the energy ai agents will use bitcoin but like using ai to build bitcoin businesses as quickly and efficiently as possible yeah and i think those that can you mentioned your 15 page prompt doc the human in a loop aspect and sticking to principles is going to be massive because like we're going to have this shiny object syndrome that's going to be you know just out there there's going to just be something now and that i love the the kids and the wife are such a great forcing function because eight hours of sleep you know the kids time in the morning plus the kids time uh practice nap or sorry uh

bedtime bath time dinner time reading time play time and so okay remove all that then you got probably like six to eight hours of good productive work in the middle of that how do you maximize that time but then how do you like elongate that time while you're sleeping or while you're playing so like those agentic agents other teams of humans potentially working in different time zones for you on the specific missions that you're looking to do like knock on wood we're going to host uh the inaugural texas energy and mining summit and i'm super thankful that you're participating in it we got some of the best bitcoin mining operators and service providers in the world that are going to be here and continuing to build off of that kind of momentum will compound for

bitcoin park bitcoin park members bitcoin park they're just bitcoin community in general and then i think you're going to see like guys like tony or anthony and marks bringing in their ai expertise and other folks from the energy side coming in and then you're gonna there's a world where the word Bitcoin, especially as it relates to Bitcoin Park, just goes away. And it's just going to be called the park, like Park Nashville, Park Austin.

And it's going to just be this convergence or collision location of all the intersection of all these amazing, like AI, Bitcoin, and energy are the best of the best entrepreneurs, developers, engineers in the world to come work, learn, collaborate, and build. Yeah. Idea for one of the events here at Park Austin.

we've got cultural concentration down here too we had the mothership down the street we should get a comedian to come dude um i'm game for that to talk to one of like not only do we have the intersection of bitcoin ai energy but we also got culture down here so uh open mic from toonster is going to do a value for value uh uh music event here as well as in nashville uh i think it's nick or mitch um that goes to the there's like an open mic night over there at the comedy what's the guy that does the um kill tony kill tony yeah and it's like open mic right yeah you get yeah it's a lottery it's a lottery open mic it's like yeah so one of my weird goals is just to do an open mic in general i mean i would get booed like none other because i'm not that funny

but like i just want to do it and just knock it off the bucket list i feel like we should do like you don't have to start with kill tony that's that's an intense one no no no i would definitely not my see i don't know how you guys do it especially online i'm like so fragile uh that like one bad comment i'm like okay i'm done here you know like i'm doing an open mic and someone made fun of me i'm like okay guys you're right i'm i'm done here um but it would be fun to like test because it helps with your public speaking and it helps yeah it would be fun and then maybe we get a couple good because you've had a bunch of comedians right on your pod yeah yeah there may be another big one coming on so cool this is not to be uh jay and then r no maybe joe if

you're listening yeah somebody in that he's definitely listening somebody in that sphere though uh i don't want to count my chickens before they hatch but there's been uh there's been some contact from another park member to a big comedian to come on the show oh that's all see this is where again i think bitcoin is this just gravitational force where those folks are interested and they want to get to a guy like you and it's just natural that they're like okay yeah let's sit down and then vice versa it's like oh let me bring my uh what did pornoid call you like my bitcoin marty bitcoin marty yeah and you're like just the bitcoin marty guy right and you come on and you're their guy and then uh all of a sudden you're just then their friend and then

they're just like wait yeah we're all just friends and bitcoin's just like the money we use that's just money yeah and we just roll money marty money marty marty maybe maybe one day logan money marty rod dude where can people find out more about texas energy and mining summit uh is there any is there any tickets left so no take well just join the wait list on the meetup page so bitcoin goingpark.com forward slash austin we have i think now 2500 or 2600 people on that way uh that meetup page uh go scroll to the event uh the texas energy and mining summit join that wait list i'm going through we're all going through uh and then pulling people off the wait list i think there's going to be a few tickets still remaining for this next couple weeks uh really again honored

that you're going to be participating again i think this is like your fourth energy and mining summit in general yeah i've been i've been all three initials so far so and i don't want to boost parker will's egos will cole's ego and parker lewis but i do think with the enthusiasm and what you guys are building in texas that i'm going to take a lot of pride and responsibility not only in this first one but i i think i want to make this really special for decades to come and make this a place where if you're in this world, you'll want to come once a week or one time a year to Austin, Texas to participate in this.

So this will be our first one. We're going to learn a lot. We're going to have probably 150 investors, policymakers, energy producers, mining operators, and service providers here. And we'll see how it goes. I can't wait. may 6th and 7th here in austin texas gonna be a big week we have bitcoin plus plus yeah at the

tail end yep the week will be awesome and then the telehash on monday by the way you know that telehash we hit i've been i've been manifesting a block with this i'll point some hash at the telehash we're gonna mine another block thank you can you believe we ride a freaking block live i can you could manifest we talked about this quantum uh logan's theoretical physicist This family member's not a fan of it, I don't believe, but you can manifest mind blocks. We're going to do it with this. I agree.

So should we have all the 100, 200 people that are at the telehash just stare? Yeah, everybody get into the room and stare at the chip to produce a hash below the difficulty target. It's going to happen. That'd be awesome. Tune into the telehash. Thank you, man. You're the man.

Thank you. You're the man. I love these conversations. And I learn a lot, too. productivity tools we should be using how to be a better father it's uh i learned a lot from you and it's it's it's the best and i'll maybe say one more thing it's like people are like oh i need to hit this level of being an entrepreneur before i have kids or i can't be an entrepreneur because i have kids i hope we can dispel that rumor or dispel that myth because i think you can have it

all it's just you need to figure out what's most important and i think we both do a really good job of saying no to a lot of things even though they may seem like very attractive at the time but for this short period of time again what's scarcer than bitcoin is our time what's scarcer than our time is our time with our kids so it's like how do you in this window even though it's like man i really should go to that dinner party or should go to that event or i should go to this it's like hey you know what i'm just gonna say let's let's spend the time here yeah i'm gonna go do tubby time let's go tubby time is a great time peace and love freaks freaks thank you for listening to the show i hope you liked it if you did like it please make sure you subscribe rate review the

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