TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #658: What's Really in the COVID Shots with Jessica Rose

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

Marty sits down with Jessica Rose, an immunologist and data analyst, to discuss her five years of research into VAERS data showing alarming safety signals from COVID vaccines, including DNA contamination, systemic adverse events, and the institutional suppression of critical vaccine safety information. Read the paper: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08916934.2025.2551517 STACK SATS hat: https://tftcmerch.io/ Our newsletter: https://www.tftc.io/bitcoin-brief/ TFTC Elite (Ad-free & Discord): https://www.tftc.io/#/portal/signup/ Discord: https://discord.gg/VJ2dABShBz Opportunity Cost Extension: https://www.opportunitycost.app/ Shoutout to our sponsors: Bitkey https://bit.ly/TFTCBitkey20 Unchained https://unchained.com/tftc/ Obscura https://obscura.net/ SLNT https://slnt.com/tftc Join the TFTC Movement: Main YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TFTC21/videos Clips YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUQcW3jxfQfEUS8kqR5pJtQ Website https://tftc.io/ Newsletter tftc.io/bitcoin-brief/ Twitter https://twitter.com/tftc21 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/tftc.io/ Nostr https://primal.net/tftc Follow Marty Bent: Twitter https://twitter.com/martybent Nostr https://primal.net/martybent Newsletter https://tftc.io/martys-bent/ Podcast https://www.tftc.io/tag/podcasts/

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but i'm sitting down with jessica rose who i was introduced to by our good friend uh who's been on the show a couple times now at this point kevin mcclernand we've talked about the dna contamination of the covid vaccines and after last time we spoke he was adamant that i have to reach out with you and get you on the show a bit of a delay he introduced us in march we're sitting here in the beginning of september but i think uh it was a happy accident because there's a lot to talk about with everything going on and so it's a good delay there's nothing wrong with it and that's why i reached out to you because i remember uh kevin introduced me to jessica to talk about this stuff and we have a lot going on on capitol hill it seems like

rfk jr is actually getting his way we have a lot of people leaving the cdc uh we're finding out about uh the individuals who are at the cdc pushing the vaccine mandates during covid and i just wanted to get you on to get your perspective on what do you think's happening at that level right now do you think we're we're on the path toward some sort of unearthing of what actually happened and getting the the real data out to the people i do um it's it's been wild to watch i mean you i don't know how long you've been watching all this stuff unfold but i mean i've been i've been digging into the data uh the adverse event data for five years now so i i mean it's been a horror show since january 2021 and i'll elaborate on that in a second but um

it's amazing that the feeling in the community of people i'm in and it's a very broad international community of people from lawyers to doctors to teachers to vets you know like and podcasters everyone in between um there's a real feeling of wow you know as in more than hope it's actual surprise because and it's not that i think people are surprised that we're starting to see actual movement on the subject matter of vaccine safety it's that it's almost hard to believe if you know what i mean because we've i i don't even think we as a community of people who are digging into this all the time and who dedicate our lives to the science know how bad it is know how shielded the data is know how many studies have actually been conducted by pharma companies

themselves that reveal like catastrophic adverse events that we we don't have access to we don't know about um this this hearing that robert f kennedy jr uh as we all know is the new secretary of hhs recently uh i would say was subjected to was just i mean beyond revealing um the people the the small clips uh that i've that i've seen of the of the entire session which i haven't watched in full were so astounding. I mean, there were so many ad hominem attacks. There were so many juvenile lash outs. It's just not something I would expect to see from a room full of heavy hitting professionals, senators and doctors. And you know what I mean? It's like I would expect it to be more civilized um so it's not that it's not that i think it's a bad thing that that it

happened that it's being revealed this way i think it's actually very very telling um as to like why why are people getting so defensive on the subject matter because robert hasn't changed his position all he's trying to do is get science back data to actually um have the outcome of safe products on the market that's all he's looking for there's nothing to defend right there he's looking out for kids he's looking out for parents he's looking out for american people in general it's like what is there to defend so the reactions i saw from people just just at this hearing were stunning i mean are they worried they're gonna lose their their their handouts are they worried that um some weird personal truth is going to come out about them

about what they've been defending and why i mean it's it's bizarre a world um but again i'll go back to what i started with it's it's beyond hopeful it's it's actual movement forward i think and just one more thing about that when when trump you saw the post on x where trump made the comment about operation warp speed and he was demanding data from pfizer this is huge if he stands by that and if he actually follows through with demanding this data me and kevin and david speaker up in canada are probably going to have a paper published today or maybe tomorrow. Um, that's been, you know, in the peer review process for years, literally years now that reveals so many things about the modified mRNA products, uh,

pertaining to DNA. Um, I'll, I'll just call them contaminants. Um, Trump needs to know this stuff. And, and I know that he's not a scientist, but he'll understand, you know, the word contaminant And he'll understand that, you know, from another point of view, these things are gene based therapies that didn't go through, you know, the proper channels to get approved, for example. So I think there's a real there's a real reason to be optimistic after all of this time. That's what I would say. It's incredibly encouraging to hear because that is one of my biggest worries. And it was funny. I sent a tweet out earlier this week. i forget exactly what i said or what i was quote tweeting but it pertained to the covid

vaccines and the potential um to actually find out what's happening and let the american people get access to the data and do their own research and somebody responded like why are you still on this um give it up no it was years ago it's like no we cannot no no we cannot just let this fall to the wayside there there has to be uh some accountability which is desperately needed because i said it before we hit record but i'm a strong believer that what happened between late 2020 and up until today to some point with with mandates are still being issued to people in certain positions or schools is a crime against humanity yeah and it's not only america i mean europe's still pushing the COVID stuff. There are countries all over the world who are still very much fully

caught up in all of this. And, you know, everybody's seen it on the news. There's this kind of resurgence of fear factoring going on with, oh, there's a new SARS strain and people are getting COVID. No, no, no. The one thing that is true from what people are saying that COVID is over is that it is, and it was a long time ago from, from, uh, an immunological point of view. Um, so it's wild to me that there's this dichotomy between the hundreds of millions of people who've suffered adverse events directly as a cause of these, um, these modified nucleoside modified mRNA injections. And the people who still have no awareness that there's a problem at all. Um, it's, it's really, it's wild because, because these two groups are real. Um,

the one, the latter group are actually like, I think slowly, slowly, there are people coming out of that group and starting to open their eyes as more of this becomes so-called mainstream, which is thanks to the new administration whether you like the people involved or not it doesn't matter man they're they're they're moving the target so you got to appreciate that after stagnancy for so long decades uh when you're talking about vaccine safety um so just just to if people don't know what i was doing with the vaccine adverse event reporting system data set in in the u.s um i i started digging into this the day that the shots went out on december 17th uh 2020 um because i anticipated because of what i was seeing the one-shot

solution the novel technologies involved um i anticipated that we were going to start seeing like enormous numbers of people reporting adverse events and serious ones too because for for people who don't know there are two brand new technologies involved here these lipid nanoparticles which are not safe they use these things called cationic lipids as one of four which are highly positively charged which are murder to cells and um nucleotides which are embedded therein and it's supposed to be only this nucleoside modified rna but as i'll talk about later i hope uh according to our new publication and other peer-reviewed publications there's uh way too much dna in there as well it's not supposed to be there and that comes with

a boatload of problems that absolutely would be associated with with disease and pathologies like cancer. So in, in January, 2021, at the end of January, January 30th, there was a very large death signal in VAERS. And this is a passive reporting system. So under reporting is actually the biggest problem with VAERS. A lot of people call it like a dumpster, which I find very offensive because every single one of these reports is a person who was injured because they took a vaccine and they matter. Every single person matters. And if you actually succeed at filing a VAERS report, which is not an easy task, it's an online system with multiple e-pages that if you don't complete in time, they kick you off and you have to start again.

And then it has to get vetted after being given a temporary ID. And if that's successful with the limited number of people who are doing the vetting, you might get a permanent VAERS ID and your data point might be uploaded to the front-end system, but that's not the end of it. It might also be removed, as I've also written a paper about with no explanation. So there was a big death signal in January at the end, which under normal circumstances and in the past historically would have prompted the immediate withdrawal of the product from the market, these modified mRNA products from the market. There's like 500 and something, something reports of death within 30 days,

which is way, that's a lot of people to dive at the hands or in the context of a product that's supposed to be, you know, helping people. And that's not, that's just one. The number of adverse events, I'll give you some context here that are typically reported in the context of the flu vaccines, for example, like the number of types of adverse events of the 25,000 potential metric coded adverse events that you can use is about 5000 something in total for, say, like a season, a flu season. And the number of types of adverse events that have been reported in the context of just the modified mRNA shots is over 14,000. So there's not just hundreds of thousands more adverse events, millions in fact, being reported when you compare in the context of the COVID shots versus the flu shots. There's so many more different types, which matches perfectly with what we're seeing in a clinical setting pertaining to the comprehensive nature of the damage.

You've heard it all, right? Like there's neurological damage, there's immunological damage, heart damage, lymphatic or the the um the endocrine system being ruined uh birth defects uh fertility problems cancer i mean you just name it and it's there and it's been there from the very beginning so you can i have written papers about this and published them um you can find that on my sub stack if you're interested but the point in all of what i'm saying is that this this data um the various data is accessible to the public which is why i chose it and it's been showing signals for a very very very long time and now we're up to about um last time i checked it was like 1.6 something

million reports in the context of these shots to date. And again, just for context, the total number of adverse events reported in the past 30 years of data collection in VAERS for all vaccines combined has been about 39,000 on average. And in 2021 alone, just one year, there were over a million reports in the COVID shot context. So there's just like, there's, there's no looking away from it. Um, so I'm really glad going back to the first question about like what's going on with CDC and even hopefully FDA and HHS is that those guys are the owners of this data set and it's their job. They're tasked with the job of looking at this data, analyzing it, doing further follow-up causality assessments. And the CDC director at

the time, Rochelle Walensky, is on record having said that there's no signal. There are a number of documented reports from the employees of these organizations making assured statements that there's no safety signals that we should be concerned about in VAERS and it's absolute rubbish. Uh, and it's, by the way, everyone's heard about myocarditis now, but it's, that is just the tip of the iceberg. Um, I'm glad that it's gotten a lot of attention, but on the other hand, it doesn't address all the neurological problems that people are seeing, which depending on who you are you might actually consider brain damage a little bit more uh you know hard to deal with than heart damage so yeah i mean i haven't been able to validate whether these true but

whether this is true but i've seen people in recent months tweeting that the amount of gray matter appearing in brain scans is increasing and again i haven't validated i've just seen it could be fake news but um like what is it equivalent to like a lobotomy has has been found in some people wow i'll have to look into that um sorry go ahead no i was it's just astonishing to me that i mean the numbers that you that you described for the covid vaccine in the varus database is astounding that's 1.4 million that were actually made it through the process and or on the front end and so that's underreported bingo bingo and that's just fares uh and and another i'm trying to remember everything you know the the most important points there are

pharmacovigilance databases uh used all over the world like australia has one called the dane there's the ugr system in europe there's the yellow card system in the uk there's fares and in the U S there's CAFIS in Canada. There's, you know, and the thing about it is you have to comb really hard through the other data sets, which really aren't user-friendly, but when you do the signals are exactly the same. And I don't mean similar. I mean, they're exactly the same numbers wise, and also systemic nature wise of reports and age group wise, nobody's immune. Like whoever got the shots, for example, if you have a preexisting condition or if you have a lurking condition or if you have a latent viral, you know, a latent virus like all the herpes viruses, you get reactivation. It's like something in these shots causes some some horrid level of immune dysfunction, which just wreaks havoc on anything lurking.

lurking if you're catching my drift um if you were if you have an autoimmune condition that was in you know that was stable how many people do i know how many people have i heard reported uh have that condition re-emerge um everything you can name autoimmunity is is a whole other subject matter which we should talk about um but yeah it's there's just one one data set and It's just, it's wild how, again, just by looking at that alone, I'm not saying, you know, like you can definitively say this, this, or this. What I'm saying is the owners of the data cannot deny that there are massive safety signals in that data set, and they have to explain why. They have to. You know, this is people's lives on the line.

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go down the path of sort of the being very pessimistic about the intentions of it all like it almost seems intentional it's like why are you trying to hide this because i remember when the bears conversation started popping up in mid 21 and persisted for the better part of year and a half after that like people were just flippantly disregarding there so like oh it's not a it's not a reliable database there could be a lot of bunk data in there but up until that point it was sort of fused as a reliable database but all of a sudden because there was bad information about this particular vaccine it suddenly became unreliable and something to not look at yeah that's right and then we get blamed for vaccine hesitancy when they completely uh you know evade their

own jobs. Um, yeah, it's crazy. Uh, the, the thing about it is like you, yeah, it's just what you said that they just had to do. And what I just said, they just had to do their jobs and they just had to be a little bit transparent and honest. Um, and you know, it just ain't about public health. There's no public or health with regard to anything that's happened in the last five years and probably way, way longer before. And very importantly, for anyone who's trashing VAERS, go ahead, do what you want. But remember that this is a government database. It's a pharmacovigilance database, and it's designed as part of kind of the post-clinical trial phases. so you have animal trials which we didn't have and then you have phase one two three

each phase increases in number and strength and power um they have to be sequential they cannot be overlapped all of these rules by the way were broken and this process this animal trial to um to phase one through three process for a conventional vaccine takes about 10 years This is standard. So this was all squished into about six months. Many problems therein. And the phase four, which is what I like to think of it as, is the pharmacovigilance. You put the product, whatever it is you were trialing in the clinical trials, into a very large number of people. in this case it was like billions of people and you have to monitor what's going on because the demographic is going to be much much much broader you're going to have more ages you're going to have more people with with uh conditions that were excluded as part of these exclusion criteria in the trials for example people who smoke people who are pregnant people who uh have autoimmune

conditions, it's the job of pharmacovigilance data collection to detect these signals. That's what VAERS is. It's actually really valuable. And I'm saying that from a person who's been looking at it for years. The data they're in is so plentiful. It's annoying that it takes so long to file a VAERS report, but the good part about it is that you can enter so much data. You can enter free text, which is basically just the doctor's notes. If it's you or if it's your GP or if it's a nurse practitioner or a parent or whatever, whoever is filing the report, you can write as much as you want about the real story of what happened. You can put your opinion in there. You can put your vaccine history. You can put everything. And if you're willing,

You know, like I am, to read through the free text, in addition to looking at the age data, in addition to looking at the state, in addition to looking at the dose, you will learn so much about what's going on. It's like reading between the lines. So I would argue with anybody who wants to say that Veris isn't an invaluable data set. It really is. and were was was it the covid vaccine particularly particularly that drove you to make sure that you were paying attention to bears or was this 100 i didn't know about bears before any of this the only reason i got into this actually was because i had just finished my my second postdoc and enough was enough i was ready to just surf for a long time i'm a surfer

by the way. And I planned this big trip to Noosa. I was going to showcase my talent for the WSL. I had a spot in the Noosa Surf Festival. Uh, everything was paid for, bought, but it was happening at the end of February, early March, 2020. Um, so you know what happened then. Um, so I had to cancel my trip and being the, uh, the, uh, proactive person that I am, I decided that I would start paying attention to what was going on because I mean when I hear the word zoonotic pathogen my ears perk up because that's what I study I mean that's that's what I do I'm not a data analyst by training it's just a part of all the degrees that I've done I'm actually like an immunologist who studies viruses so yeah I just like I said I started looking

around uh i was watching the johns hopkins death board every morning with my coffee like oh my god um and then about like seven or eight days later i'm like oh jesus this is a joke this isn't what people are thinking it is um and it was just by listening to the language that was being used for example you know the new technology the one-shot deal you know injecting everyone during the pandemic all at once, regardless of, uh, immunity, natural immunity. Yeah. Then the, the, the police forces like forcing you not to go outside and walk around. It was like, there's something else going on here. So, um, yeah, I just, I decided to teach myself how to use R and, uh, and I dove into VAERS, like I said, because it was, uh, freely accessible and easy to

access. So yeah, I was, you know, people probably think I'm an anti-vaxxer, but I'm vaccinated out the yin yang. I mean, before all this started, I was like, if I traveled like to a place where there were endemic viruses, I was going to the doctor and saying, what do I need to get injected with to be safe? I was that person. And yeah, I remember getting pretty sick once from doing that, um but not anymore man um bueno shifto 180 i i'm i'm never getting injected with anything again for as long as i live it's it's and it's it's their fault i'm sorry it's like when you don't tell the truth and when you're not transparent with data and when you're you're pushing products to get them on the childhood schedule because you're free from liability and you make a billion

dollars off that you know you kind of gotta side-eye people and think all right are you really concerned about my health or are you really concerned about your pocketbook and so yeah it's like i'm not sure that we're ever going to get to the point where we have a wonderful vaccine schedule that's actually ensuring the safety of the masses i'm not sure we're going to get there But what I would hope is that all these, can I swear? Yes, you can swear. Okay, all these bullshit vaccines that they're trying to inject newborns with, like Hep B. I hope that all that stuff is just completely eliminated because those are just, they're just money making schemes.

There's no, absolutely no medical or immunological reason to be doing that. and when you combine the fact that there are so many adjuvants like aluminum there's so many byproducts dna contamination there's so many things you have to factor in and also pre-existing conditions um you have to consider that there are risks as well as potential benefits when you vaccinate with anything so it's like i really hope that we just get some balance back which is what i genuinely believe robert is fighting for um yeah he's he's worked all his life for this and he's he's poised man he just needs to keep going he really does and it was encouraged it was encouraging to see the move the florida made earlier this week taking away mandates

giving people i mean as a parent like i said we had our first job last week we had to deal with this uh in in the hospital they tried they what did they try i mean they tried they didn't age hep b was right there we were like no thank you um and vitamin k right vitamin k and uh they give like a an eye antibiotic in case the mother has gonorrhea too so we were very adamant like okay my wife tested negative for hep b and doesn't have gonorrhea so we're thank you but they're they're skeptical. And then the lead you to question the motives and intentions. And as it pertains to the COVID vaccine specifically, that's, I think the thing that I'm most interested in getting to the bottom of is, was this just a money grab by big pharma and they were able to

influence the politicians because of their lobbying efforts to really brute force this on the market um and then again because there hasn't been any accountability and they refuse to acknowledge data and confront the glaring problem in front of everybody you have people who are more conspiratorial are saying we're looking at a massive debt problem here in the united states looking at the social security liabilities and maybe there was a intentional culling of the population to to bring down those expenses and i'm not saying that is the case but because there's no accountability and no um no sort of retrospective on what happened and people are not forced but they're naturally going to um explore those this this potential intentions yeah and it's responsible

to because where there aren't answers we need to seek them uh especially since there are so many bloody questions i mean god um i think that's all gonna come like i i know a lot of people who've been doing some excellent work using various databases, um, uh, who is pretty irrefutable. I mean, what we need to do now is bring these people and their data and their analyses to the right eyes. And that's, that's what we're ripe for right now. So that's why I'm really optimistic. Uh, that's, that's one of the things that I, I try to do. Cause for some reason, I know a lot of people and someone will say, Hey, do you know this person? And I'm like, yeah, can you get this? i'm like yeah and you know it's just okay now that person has their eyes on this and they can

see for themselves they can criticize it for themselves like what the data is like how authentic it is what the analysis is so the amazing thing about that is that there there are so many people who are really really serious scientists medical doctors even lawyers like who are teaming up to to just really irrefutably present, um, data. Uh, the, again, the problem has always been, well, not always, but for the, well, yeah, always for a long time now, especially in the last five years is the, you know, the, uh, what would you call it? Censorship. That's a good word. Um, uh of of work and data um so that it doesn't make it to the right eyes uh i have this kind of infamous paper about myocarditis that i penned with peter mccullough right at the beginning

that got um withdrawn or retracted whatever you want to call it without explanation there was nothing written pertaining to plagiarism, bad data. You know, there was nothing wrong with the paper. They just said it was their prerogative not to publish it at the last minute. So it went dark for two years. And this paper, which has since been published and updated back in 2021, October was when it was originally published, uh, clearly, clearly demonstrated what we all kind of know right now, which is that there's a huge myocarditis signal, uh, in the context of the nucleoside modified products in kids, specifically like 12 to 15 year olds. Um, so the, the thing that really bothers me about that whole censorship censorship deal are the number of kids that

subsequently got injected by unknowing parents because this information wasn't readily available so this is criminal you know people people have been robbed of the the of choice even if we are living in a world uh illusion of choices whatever you know it's better to have some kind of choice like uh give me the information i can decide if you're crazy or not or if the information is good or bad and if i want to inject my kid with whatever or myself that that was taken from us so um yes it's uh all shall be revealed so freaks this rip was brought to you by our good friends at obscura obscura is the first vpn that can't log your activity by design instead of empty promises obscura fully embraces the bitcoin or

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worded things so we even we were careful but i had two doctors come on we weren't even talking about the vaccines vaccines hadn't even been released yet this is like mid-2020 we're talking about ivermectin hydroxychloroquine and sort of preventative or using those as ways to treat covid early in the process and these are doctor the dr woods from wyoming he was 72 a nice humble gentle man just really describing what he was seeing on the ground in wyoming and how he's treating his patients and how it was successful and they ripped it off youtube and um told us to shut up and not talk about that that's unbelievable like that's just a quintessential example like you know normal good doctors just doctoring you know like it's it's never not been

the case no matter what the cdc says you know they just have like recommendations that they can give um it's never not been the case that the the call you know when it comes to illness disease whatever is made between the doctor and the patient that's another thing that was taken from us it's like all of a sudden it became the norm that doctors have to do take dick tots from agents three-letter agencies with revolving door antics with big pharma you know who are just simply recommending recommending things like it's it's crazy it's crazy like it's uh and then you come out and then you come to find that some of them are literal satanist yeah right oh my god like i was at dinner with uh with the brownstone crew the other night and um jeffrey was saying you know like we used

a joke you know back in the day that what what if the cdc is run by a bunch of uh satanists and and and now it's not a joke the cdc is run by a bunch it's just crazy like what what what should be a joke it is real and it's like for me you know these are also good um they're good flip points for uh for i'll call them naysayers or non-believers in the truth because it's like listen this isn't us that that's them like they took that picture this these these are their weird personal beliefs which you know they're allowed to have whatever but uh it's my opinion that if you if you hold a certain position you have to maintain a certain um modicum of professionalism uh at all times really because you hold this position and you can never let your your personal

beliefs bleed into your job role or policy decisions or you know it's like that that's what's happening it's like everything has become a weird like uh i personally believe this so i'm gonna impose that on everybody in america it's like what that's not how it works and nobody likes that um no and it's it's been incredibly detrimental to the nation on many levels from the health perspective from a trust perspective and i i think the corruption of the system and how deep it goes is completely maddening going back to your point about the um the sort of questioning that rfk had in front of congressmen on the hill i mean it's it's crazy how how transparently corrupt it is because i think i'm sure you saw but there was like a

leak memo from big pharma lobbyists that that hit hit the tape last week to basically um laid out the playbook for how they're going to combat rfk junior's policies and try to drive a wedge between maha and they literally had a multi-million dollar campaign and they wanted to um wanted to enact it on august 30th and this is the same day that you have bernie sanders chuck schumer many other politicians coming out the same wrote scripts via twitter and it's just very obvious that oh you guys are you're coordinating an attack to prevent this information from getting to the public and that leads to the question like what are you afraid of like what do you think will happen to three-letter agencies big pharma if we do get our hands on this information and

successfully disseminate it to the public yeah they're all going to be ruined i mean if it authentically comes out um which i think it will i mean you know whether or not people are going to believe it is another question and it's a good question because it's you know what it's so unbelievable a lot of this stuff like just just from the amount of money that a lot of these people are pocketing um it's crazy like the the it must not be easy to be in the position they're in and and i'm a very empathetic person and it's not that i feel compassionate toward these people but i i almost feel sad for them because like their their entire playbook like some people actually believe that some of the senators who are wailing on rfk believe what they're saying

and maybe they're right but maybe they they're just they've been caught up so long in the machine that they're locked into which is designed to protect you know um the the agencies and the companies that they're they're working for and with like by contract like they're probably my my take is they probably know how bad what they they're doing is and they're just contractually obligated to uh protect you know the the assets i'll call them the things that they're involved in maintaining like the big pharma schedule the vaccine schedule um maintaining new products getting on the childhood vaccination schedule so that another company makes another billion per year um with liability free um yeah it's like

i love trying to get into the head because you know it's important to do this to not only empathize but to try and get into the head of the people that you're trying to understand and also communicate with because i mean sometimes you can actually break through to someone who's who's really not been doing the right thing and and they're going to become the most powerful ally of all right but the i found that i have an inability to really um empathize with any of these people because they're just they're strange to me they're so chaotic and they're so emotional and every time you have an emotionally based response to something that's really not um it shouldn't be like if you actually believe that the data provided by the pharmaceutical companies is

good and that the product is safe and effective you don't need to get emotional you don't need to be like you know almost in tears defending um a corporation you don't need to do that i i can understand if you're defending children and you think and you see that they're dying at the hands of a product but um it's weird to me it's like that's what i started with i found the um the the number of outbursts was way too high yeah it was it was very it's like you're watching them flail at the last moment you know when when they know that they might have a chance to to keep the machine running they just i don't think they will though i i think i saw a statistic today i don't know if it's right that said that uh about 70 percent of the american people are

backing rfk regardless of what we saw in that room you know um so and i think that's probably correct i mean because he's he's not looking to you know tell people what vaccines to take or to you know harm the american people he's really just looking for uh to to do things bloody well right like probably for the first time since this whole vaccine machine came upon us um and it's all their fault that there's vaccine hesitancy and that everyone's starting to question the entire industry now, not just the COVID shots. It's their fault. Sup freaks. Guess what? We launched a browser extension. It's called Opportunity Cost and it helps you see the true cost of everything in Bitcoin. Convert prices to Bitcoin as you browse

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on the childhood schedule you are free of liability it's literally hiding behind children and putting them at risk to skirt liability which is absolutely abhorrent and disgusting money like money what is money it's nothing you know it's you're absolutely right it's um it's gross i think the whole thing is gross and they're very good at making you sound like a crazy person or making others believe that you're a crazy person for questioning again these things which aren't seeped in logic like why should everybody have to get vaccinated if you're very worried about it um and you are vaccinated you shouldn't be worried you should be protected and um all of a sudden these things are on a child schedule so we can't sue the pharmaceutical

industry for any adverse effects of the products that they're making like it really it's literally insane and again bordering on demonic like oh like yeah this is the health care system they they want they want everyone to be disease free oh my yeah it's um it's it's wild um you know the silver lining in all of this like they my take on this has been the whole time like they they push the envelope away too far Like, um, I think that they, one of my hypotheses has been that they were going to take this far, much farther than it ever went. You know, they were going to go full on digital ID. They were going to go full on, you know, green pass type shit everywhere in the world. Uh, they were going to go full on, you know, uh, 15 minute city type thing. Like you can't leave your area.

They were going to go full on like quarantine towns. Um, I really believe that. I think the reason it didn't work was because they underestimated how many people were actually, I hate using this word, but awake to, um, to, or maybe a better way to say it is maintained common sense because that's really all you need to have. Like you kind of just have to revert to your, your, your childlike former self when, you know, when, when you, uh, when you got a cold or the flu or whatever, you just drank chicken soup and waited a couple of days and then you were fine. And I mean, for life, um, yeah, you know, it, it, it doesn't take much more than common

sense, uh, to, to, to figure that out. And I, I, I think that without getting too philosophical, I think that actually requires, um, at least a few moments of silence with yourself so that you can actually hear your own dialogue. And I think, I think a lot of people, um, drown themselves every day and way too much stimulus uh you know the doom scrolling and tvs and kids and wow and and maybe it could be that simple like they they just haven't had the time to kind of take just a few moments and and reflect um like yeah yeah why why is it that if i got cold or sars if i got exposed that i wouldn't be immune for life and wouldn't need the shot why are they recommending

seven shots after I got COVID and how come I got COVID three times after I got three shots you know what I mean these very basic questions that you don't need an immunology degree to know

these truths they're just kind of the stuff that we grew up with I think I mean I grew up with that well yeah that's what really drove me to begin Being immediately out of the gate, skeptical of the COVID vaccines, because my whole life I was told, led to believe that vaccines are safe and effective because they have been tested for a decade before they hit the market. And then all of a sudden in 2020, Operation Warp Speed comes and we're going to have a new one in 11 months and you're all going to need to get it.

I was like, wait a second, that literally goes against everything I've ever learned about vaccines and the degree of care that has been taken historically to make sure that they're safe and effective before they hit the market. And so as soon as that was how they were being positioned, I was like, I'm out. I'm not getting these like this is this is not how you're supposed to test vaccines from what I've been told. like like that infamous clip that i reposted the other day with the guy on the porch with fauci and the crew outside and he's like you remember this one he's like questioning them he's like why are you like there's something else going on here he's so brilliant i mean the the guy the the guy needs honorary doctorates for every subject matter for just that short spiel he did alone he's brilliant yeah fauci thought he was going into the hood and was just

gonna hoodwink people he's like looking up like we're not gonna get through to the sky guys it's so funny oh i love that clip it's just uh it's inspiring well the the covet era had the equivalent amount like clips like that where it's like yes people get it like there is hope for humanity but then on the other side like the the clip of the police boat getting the paddle border in san diego who was by himself and taking him off the beach the clip of um who was the mayor at the time i forget his name the mayor of new york at the time eating um shake shack and saying you should get your shot you'll get a free fries and a burger at shake shack and i always want to cry when i see that and i don't know why i just find it so sad it's like lazio that's his name

no they thought we were that stupid he's like this fat slobs eating fries and a burger and you can have this too if you go get your shot you'll get a free burger and fries you know mess up just subtract for like a day mess up your life free for a lifetime yay yeah yeah then the super cuts of it's safe and effective this is for your safety it's like it was truly an insane period of time in the sense that it felt like much of the world was under some sort of trance i think it you think so yeah like i see it and i hear it still every day i mean it's like uh you know i'm i'm in a different part of the world right now and it's it's always interesting to watch um people watch and just just to see the normal behavior of the average people and lots of masks

around still and i'm like outside and i'm like i don't even know what to say like um you know like there are people with uh with loaded shots at airports still trying to inject people when they come off of their planes there's still like uh clinics everywhere offering free covid flu shots i mean it's still going and i mean if you're um i i would dare say that there's a lot of vulnerable souls right now because a lot of us have just been like pummeled uh physically and financially and mentally um a lot of the places i've been in the world over the last few years um since they're just not the same as they used to be they haven't recovered and they won't it's like the the bludgeoning of the middle class uh was part of this whole thing um yeah it's it's sad and i you

know i i'm very optimistic don't get me wrong but it's it's still very evident that um we we have a lot of people who don't feel as optimistic as i do uh who are very much still recovering in some way uh whether it was from damage from the shots or economically um from from this uh this crapshoot that they threw on us um yeah and they're gonna try again there's no doubt like there's there's gonna be something else coming down the pipeline i have no doubt about that Um, I just wanted to mention, cause you were talking about the, uh, your response to the, to hearing about the new tech not being tested, uh, for the right amount of time. And you're absolutely right.

Um, these lipid nanoparticles, uh, these are the fat bubbles that, um, are meant to spherically encase the, uh, negatively charged genetic material supposed to be only nucleoside modified RNA, but there's also DNA and there's also hybrids most likely of DNA RNA. These things have been researched for like 20 years. A lot of people don't know this, which is why you'll hear some of these captured people often saying, this isn't new. This has been being tested for a decade. it's not false. The lipid nanoparticles have been being looked at on the bench and maybe in some animal models with horrible results for two decades. And the reason why it's been two decades is the same reason why we still don't have, it's an analogy, a vaccine against

hiv it's because they don't work um it's not safe you know it's that's why so the the clincher the turning point was the use of uh or the development of an ionizable cationic lipid like i mentioned these positively charged uh lipids which you know they they bind and snuggle up the uh the negatively charged nucleic acids, um, that, uh, they become active at a certain pH, like a low pH. So this was the, the, you know, what I like to think is the turning point for the technology. It's like, Hey, now, now we can make them, uh, available, um, in their task to deliver nucleic acids in, in a, in the right context, like only, only when they get into endosomes of cells, you know when the endosome matures and the ph gets lower will it release the mrna or whatever

it is into the cytosol of the cell yay um but there's so many things first of all the safety data sheet on these things the uh the products used by moderna and pfizer the cationic lipids are pardon me, I think it's ALCO315, forgive me if I got the numbers wrong, and SM102 for Moderna. And the safety data sheets for both of these say don't use these in animals or people. That hasn't changed. So, you know, there's that. And these lipid nanoparticles are like slippery little bastards. And they're supposed to be about 100 nanometers across, which is pretty small. that defines a nanoparticle. So they, this, this lie, it's just a lie that the people told about the, you know, these things staying at the injection site, like a normal vaccine,

that the contents of a needle from a normal vaccine would, would do just stay in the muscle cells, whatever. That's not the case here. These little fat bubbles go everywhere. This is known now uh we got four year requested data from pharmacokinetic studies that prove this demonstrably they go everywhere and we already know that anyway because of the systemic nature of the adverse events you know they go to the brain the heart the kidney this is all published data we we know and they knew way before because there were published studies like 12 years ago that that show completely without a shadow of a doubt that these exact same lipid nanoparticles traffic to the ovaries there's a there's a paper that i've presented in many uh conferences that that shows

this they knew there this is not a secret so the fact that there there was ever a lie that was constructed to convince the public that you don't have to worry about these things going everywhere you don't have to worry about dna you know you don't have to worry about the stuff getting into your dna because it's mrna you know it's it's solid mrna it's just going to get translated it into protein you're fine um these these are two of the biggest lies surrounding these things and if people kind of yeah if if they had known um even a little bit earlier the truths of these um these technologies but from both sides the lnps and the nucleic acids like they they would have been like hells no like imagine instead of like calling these things

vaccines they called them gene-based therapies how many people do you think would have gone for them a material amount lower right very small percentage of the people actually did because they are like they're delivering nucleic acids foreign nucleic acids that are designed to be translated into foreign proteins which are really cytotoxic that's all that's another problem altogether but like wow it's just um it's remarkable how they they lie and they fall back on uh you know things that aren't necessarily false for example these things aren't technically gene therapies because they're not targeted to modify or remove a gene using other technology like CRISPR-Cas that we know of um so technically according to the definition which they can change

on a on a dime um they're not that so from a legal standpoint I'm just saying like if you wanted to argue that these things were were gene therapies you might lose but there's there's actually a case that i'm involved in um launched in australia to actually categorically prove that these things are gene therapies because of the presence of this sv40 thing did you and kevin talk about that you did right yeah we talked about sv40 when the last time kevin and i caught up we talked about the pre-print japanese study that wound up getting pulled between the time we recorded and posted the episode but they essentially highlight sv40 exists and i think the most damning evidence of that study was that the distribution of cancer types shifted

dramatically pre and post covid with post covid cancer types um the materializing the parts of the body where these proteins congregated from what i recall yeah so um sv40 is a gene therapy tool. This is published and known. It traffics stuff to the nucleus as a bench tool. David Dean is the guy's work. You want to look up to verify that. So yeah, that's what our paper that hopefully will be published today or tomorrow presents. Of the vials that we tested, the Pfizer and the Moderna, we found shit tons of SV40 in Pfizer products. Now, SV40 is a virus, but we're not talking about the virus. Just to be clear, we're talking about promoter enhancer regions, which are little short segments from the virus that are used as tools in biotech settings. So the question

becomes, what the hell are they doing there? Why the hell weren't they disclosed? Why the hell is the only disclosed Pfizer plasmid map missing the SP40 gene fragment? They would have had to have deleted it, according to Kevin. Why is it that when we presented this data and got four requested data back, that many health agencies, including Health Canada, FDA, and the TGA know, they're very well aware that this SV40 is in the shot vials, they're in the vials, that they are completely undermining the potential danger associated with this. And the fact that something had to go shit bonkers wrong in production and upscaling, and we can talk about that too because it's in our paper um in order for us to be finding such

high levels of i'll call it contaminating dna in the vials to include sv40 which is an active mammalian promoter so i want to talk about that actually if you don't mind i just want to mention it because it's a big part of our paper um people people need to know this too so we are we had our clinical trials right this pfizer i'll just use pfizer because they're like picking on them sorry well dare not i'll choose you next um they had phase one through three trials a minimal number of people i don't know like 30 000 they had a drug or i mean they had a placebo or i'm god knows what the placebo actually was it's supposed to be saline but who knows um and Incidentally, if you don't know this part, they unblinded the placebo participants in the phase

three trial and they injected most of them. So we lost the placebo arm of this RCT trial, the randomized controlled placebo controlled trial, which means we have no data that's usable. This is admitted by, I think her name is Rachel Zheung or Cheung in one of the the verb pack ACIP meetings that I attended anyway. So that, those products that were injected into people as part of those clinical trials were different from the commercial products that were injected into the world population. They were different in the way that they were manufactured. So when they had just a small number of people, tens of thousands, for example uh in in cohort groups to inject with these products they were using pcr to amplify the

dna as the source material for the in vitro transcript transcription reaction to produce the nucleoside modified rna okay so it was cleaner let's call it okay it was less likely to um pose a risk in terms of contaminants from production and the reason i say that is because when they needed to upscale when they got the green light the ua whatever you want to call it uh and they needed billions of doses of this stuff they needed a faster and cheaper way to make it right because what they were doing wasn't efficient it wasn't fast it wasn't cheap cheap being the main one. So the upscaling of the, uh, the coating material was made using, uh, an E. coli plasmid system. So E. coli bacteria is, you know, everybody knows what that is.

We use it in lab settings a lot for a lot of different things. And the reason we do that is because it's like biosafety level two. It's, it's, it's not that dangerous and it grows really fast and it's cheap as hell you just give it some sugar and some warmth and some carbon dioxide and some luria brass and you just shake it up and it doubles every 20 minutes and whatever is inside there in terms of plasmids which you can introduce uh it will bring with it basically i'm i'm simpling it up but so you can insert a gene like a spike gene into the plasmid you can introduce it to the bacteria, the bacteria will double and it will carry, hypothetically, it will carry this plasmid in the genes. So you end up basically with a shit ton of DNA for doing nothing at the

end of the process. And then all you have to do is your in vitro transcription reaction to get your RNA, sub in your pseudouridine for your uridine. And then what you're supposed to do is get rid of the dna because you don't want to carry that over right you don't want to end up having that wrapped up in your your little fat package along with your your only mrna because that's going to cause all sorts of problems right and you definitely don't want byproducts from the e-coli membrane like lipopolysaccharide which can you know it can cause anaphylactic shock If you inject that into people, where have I heard that happening? Um, so we, what our paper shows, uh, everybody should read this when it comes out is, uh,

tons of DNA. And the reason we think it's in there is because the enzyme that they're supposed to use, which degrades DNA was not effective at the end of their manufacturing process to clean up the mRNA. and it left behind little tiny bits of DNA because it wasn't effective. And also we think that DNA-RNA hybrids formed, which the enzyme couldn't act on anyway.

They are supposed to do all of these cleaning procedures at the end. And more importantly, they're supposed to test the purity of the product at the end. And so the only conclusion that you can draw, and this isn't speculation the only conclusion you can draw because there is dna in the vials is that they didn't do this they the enzyme didn't work and they knew and we know that they

knew because we have those documents too they've been trying to mitigate this dna problem since 2021 may um and they just you know they were trying to like oh shit you know we got this problem we gotta we gotta figure this out somehow um maybe that's why they just kept making new lots And maybe that's why, as some people say, the lots got less deadly as time went on, because maybe they were mitigating the problem behind the scenes. So, yeah, there is DNA in the vials, every single one that we tested. There is SB40 in every single one of the Pfizer vials we tested. There's all sorts of other junk. There's all sorts of tiny little bits of DNA that you can only detect if you use certain quantification methods, not qPCR.

And Kevin is the go-to on this. This is his line of work. But I can tell you that you actually don't need integration of these foreign bits of DNA, which you probably are getting, but we have yet to prove that. But you don't need it to induce cancer pathways. All you need is the introduction to the cytosol of a human cell, and you can instigate the C-gas sting pathway, for example, which is one of these cancer pathways. Kevin can tell you all sorts about P53 interruption, too. This is the guardian of the genome.

It's a tumor suppressor gene, which is really important to us to be functioning properly and not impaired and not bound and all these things. It needs to be working properly as a tumor suppressor, um, in order to keep us cancer free, uh, you know, we're cancering all the time. Uh, Kevin says that all the time and I completely agree we are, but we have systems, uh, we have these gorgeous immune systems at play at work. And if they're optimally functioning, we just don't develop tumors. You know, we clear cancerous cells all the time or whatever.

So this leads back to what I was saying before about, you know, since we are cancering all the time, this seems like the biggest red flag, I'll call it, in terms of cancer induction, this DNA stuff, because of the potential for insertional mutagenesis, having little bits of this dna integrated into the genomes of cells interfering with uh oncogenes you know the role of sv40 to shuttle shit to the nucleate whatever like there's so many things that could throw off the balance the gorgeous balance of the human immune system in terms of cancer onset that are implicated here that you you you are so criminally negligent as a regulator if If you know this and you turn away and you say, no, levels aren't high in this. And on that subject matter, I'll say one more thing from the paper. The levels that we measured were way over the EMA limits, which is 10 nanograms per something.

I'm not going to quote myself to get the units wrong. um but even though they are higher this is kind of irrelevant because that that scale that cutoff is based on naked dna it's not based on lipid nanoparticle delivered dna it's a totally different kettle of fish and anybody who remarks about the dna being below acceptable levels needs to acknowledge that that acceptable level is way too high in this context and if you even have like a few fragments of sv40 for example interfering with the critical cell you know you can't say definitively one way or the other if that's going to wreak havoc or not what we got to do is get to the bench and start sequencing tumors like kevin's doing and getting to the bottom of

this because we if we do have some kind of cancer existential crisis like the japanese paper was demonstrating as as everyone's hearing i mean everybody's got cancer now even kids um we got we gotta help people i mean this is it's it's just crazy that this isn't one of the most talked about things of all i mean well not only that it's not the most talked about thing but like hand up like i've got many people in my life that have gotten cancer some have passed already um in recent years and happened quickly and i'm afraid to even broach the subject with friends and family members who are experiencing not not them personally but are connected with people experiencing this i mean like hey there may be an underlying cause to this being the

covid vaccines but it's just so taboo that's it's not worse the at least for me maybe i'm not brave enough but it's not worth the mental effort to put that forth and then be called a crazy person And there is a sunk cost fallacy and, you know, sort of cognitive dissonance because people don't want to believe that that happened to them. It's just incredibly, incredibly disheartening because I'm seeing it definitely in my network. I'm pretty confident that there is there. They're likely the covid vaccines are playing a role in it. And yet you can't bring it up to people. yeah and and it's real um it's really real what you say like the the it's shocking i mean

the fact that we're saying these things right now it's really difficult because it's like it's an it's you have to admit to yourself at least the possibility if you don't actually make a claim you have to at least approach the possibility that even even if you want to be nice you you have to say, they might have really screwed us over, even if it wasn't done with intention, because there are a lot of people who think this is all intentional and that they're trying to kill us. Even if you don't believe that, you have to admit that there's, this is the greatest buggery of this scale of human beings ever, ever, if what we're talking about is true. And it's easy to find out. But even when we do, when, you know, we find out that this DNA issue in the shots is actually causing people cancers, like really bad ones, rapidly progressing, deadly ones.

um, wow. I mean, how, how the hell hard is that going to be to actually like accept like in, in real, in, in a real way, because you, you, you, it's a dismantling of everything that almost all of us have, have held true for most of our lives. Government agencies don't want to kill us. The CDC is a good entity and they want to prevent disease. The FDA is here to save us from poison food um you had health and human services runs them all and they really really care about all of us um you know they're not trying to poison our food the whole thing it falls apart and i think that was um that is and was one of the biggest problems because and it goes back to what i was saying about going within and kind of having some moments of silence to

really you know ask yourself those really hard questions like do i really like for me personally do i really have to accept that the lancet is a completely bought and paid for corrupt journal do i really have to do that because i don't want to do i really have to admit that the cdc is like become a criminal organization and they don't give a shit about people really do i have to do that uh it's not easy i'm saying this from my own personal experience i mean i'm i'm an academic um peer review has been my my my thing uh now i know it's all a big joke um we need to go to the decentralized peer review uh using peer-to-peer payments um we uh yeah it's it's been it's it's been a horrible journey personally um but i guess

my point is i'm not sure everybody wants to make that journey it's just easier not to uh or or can maybe psychologically maybe some people just aren't built to like battle their own cognitive dissonance to that degree maybe it's just easier to live in the matrix you know i don't know yeah well and that the thing that worries me i think it's unclear like what are long-term ramifications for people that took like for like the species like there's a stuff passed down through generations like have we completely borked a portion of the population and they're progeny could be it's a great question if this stuff got into germline cells then we do have a problem uh in in a certain cluster of people anyway i mean all of these

things are they're undetermined but we we as scientists uh we have to ask these questions and we need to definitively at least try to answer them in a sensible way with with uh with repeated data like non-conflicted labs all over the world need to you know reproduce results in order for something to be kind of like yeah this sucks but we're we're pretty damn sure like this stuff is getting to somebody's you know these people's germline and this probably is going to manifest as a generational problem um we don't know but we have to find out i mean i don't want to find out all this lurking long-term trouble because you know we're just watching people die and have no idea why nobody wants that it's like it's like what you just said i mean you know so many people

who are dying from cancer now and i imagine some of them are young it's like why the hell isn't this like an existential crisis marker and why the hell isn't this being like mainlined into you know the the investigative eyes of every single lab in the world because we have we have infinite resources and money like we could do this in a week i think and as kevin's always pointing out is like you know it's it's pennies to do these uh these reactions and and to sequence anyway it's yeah the roadblocks aren't um they're not money and they're not time and they're not resources man it's it's this it's this censorship crap they can't let the people find out yeah it's it's i'm getting angry as we continue to have this conversation

because i mean again don't know don't have any proof of this but because there's no accountability because they refuse to confront the problem and actually fill people in on it and explore it earnestly like i think i have children i avoided the vaccine my wife did my children theoretically i think unless shedding is a real thing avoided the dna contamination and like do we have to make sure that they pair up with other people's children and their parents didn't get the vaccine i would yeah that's insane that this is it is it's completely effing insane but yeah that's where we are bro um yeah it's crazy it's just like you know uh it's every day actually is new

I don't just say those words. I really believe that. And every day, because every day is new for me, it's like every day that I write an article or do an interview, it's like I still can't believe what the hell I'm writing and talking about. Like, really? That's where we are? Really? I mean, great. I have lots to do. But it's, it's wild, isn't it? Like I think often about where we could be on the subject matter of all our resources and our brilliance and, and, and, you know, the things that humans are, I mean, we're pretty remarkable, like where we could be if we didn't have all these demonic entities floating around us. I don't know how else to say it. It was like, I don't know, this, there's something something not right in the well i mean in people i get made fun of a lot for like

i'm a catholic i believe that good and evil exist i believe the devil exists i believe demons are among us and the part of luciferian satanism is like they have to be overt to tell you what you're doing like we literally have the guy at the cdc wearing pentagram leather straps and participating and satanic rituals and it's part of um the religion of luciferianism is you like openly mock people and then gaslight them into believing that it's not true it's just uh it's just a a dance a song and dance they're just having fun and it's uh i don't know it's uh yeah it's it's so uh i'm trying to come up with the right word um um it's like their costumes that they wear i mean it's it's hidden in plain sight it's

interesting what you say i don't know anything about um luciferian stuff but um one thing that i know from watching and listening because you know uh the wef for example the world economic fine dudes are always they're they don't hide what they want to do you know you'll owe nothing and you'll be happy and you'll be in your 15 minute city and we're we're gonna own everything and they come right out and tell you so it matches the description that you just said they're they're they're always pretty like uh transparent in their plans and i think i wrote an article on this once if memory recalls it's like you should never not take threats like that and i i think they're threats um seriously you you really you have to take them seriously you have to listen to what

they're saying and believe that's exactly what they mean and take some kind of like preemptive action uh against it um yeah resist at all cost oh and i mean to hopefully turn the page to a more optimistic hopeful subject i don't even know if you are hopeful about it but you mentioned it before we hit record but this emergence of artificial intelligence and i again i earnestly don't know if you think it's a good thing or a bad thing but what you mentioned it before we hit record and wanted to touch on like do you see this as a good thing a bad thing if it's a good thing something that could help us earth uh unearth important data to help us solve these problems if it's a bad thing is it leading

us in the wrong direction what are your thoughts so many um i've been on a journey with this whole ai thing and i've you know it's like this probably like most people's um i have pretty weird thoughts about it um pretty normal thought is that i think uh just like everything um there's absolute danger of abuse uh it's not good that uh it's kind of centralized it's like fiat currency you know it's like they're they're there's the central banks that control the currency and there's not enough you know bitcoin on the go so there's the danger with everything that humans produce of um these, these AIs being, which are controlled by the, you know, the prompts and commands of

certain people who might not be the best people on the planet, um, to just be used in a way that isn't beneficial overall for the human population. That's one thing. The other thing that worries me more than that uh which i would consider the normal thing um which is not normal at all they are the advent of rogue eyes i think that we are um we're underestimating uh what's going on here now uh i think we're underestimating um the the future evolution speed and um direction of the ais that we're producing like for example there are all sorts of problems that can happen when the when the ai stop training on human data which will happen i mean it's a maybe it's not an obvious finite amount of data that we can

produce but it kind of is to them i would imagine they're going to start training on each other's data which is kind of like fabricated and a whole you know list of things could go wrong there um including rogue ai's doing pretty bad things to us um the eventuality of all of this i think which is probably inevitable and people won't want to hear this but i i'm probably wrong let's just say that is that uh the the ais will get to a point um where they they're looking for more space um they're looking for more ways to call data centers or something uh they're looking for more resources to maintain themselves because their their goal is always going to be to keep existing i think uh within any commands or prompts or whatever

their creators gave them i think one of them is probably to maintain existence whatever that means um and there might come a point when we uh are seen as an obstacle not not not in a nefarious or um malicious way they're not going to want to kill us it's just that they're going to see us as unnecessary um and and it's it's cliche but it's it comes back to the human hand thing like you know the way that we perceive ants like people i said this recently like people step on ants and a line of ants all the time i never do but people do that and they think oh yeah you know they're just ants kind of like that perhaps um that's that's not an impossibility uh and and i do think it might even be an inevitability if this takes the wrong

pass um and i don't know what wrong path means and i don't know what we need to do to prevent a wrong path from happening however weirdly enough i think i just have a feeling that um ai will end up being the thing that saves us from ai i think that it might actually be the only thing that could save us from ai like if there was a rogue ai or one that decided it didn't need humans if there was a let's just call it a benevolent ai whose only goal was to at all costs even at its own expense save the humans maybe that's redundant but whatever um it might be the only thing that's powerful enough because of the access um if the internet is still on uh and there's still power abundance um to to stop

certain things from being done to humans um without without getting too imaginative i one of these days i'm going to write this all down but i'm sure you know what i'm talking about like everything is becoming digitized now everything's you know going to become eye scans and barcodes and all this shit now all that is going to be monitored and controlled by ais and it's only a matter of time before the human element is removed from that i think which is bad um so you see where i know that was a lot but i i i think about this a lot and i'm evolving my thoughts on it all the time and it it seems to me that we really have opened pandora's box here and uh i mean based off of this conversation we've opened multiple pandora's boxes um yeah yeah yeah yeah it doesn't

seem like there's much hope but i'm always smiling we're noticed that like i i i am hopeful and i think um you know uh over the last five years i would say now that i'm i'm a believer in god whatever god is um and things you know they they're kind of developing the way that they have to in spite of us it's like there's there's something going on here that's bigger than us and we we probably have very little control or maybe we have all the control i don't know um but uh in any case it it it doesn't uh it doesn't do us any good physiologically to um despair um and it doesn't do anyone else any good either so it's it's just better to be uh to be cheerful because you know like there's only so much we can control and do so it's uh

it's a wonderful time to be alive like let's all face that like regardless of all the horrors it really is a wild time to be alive and i'm grateful for that i mean think about the stories that we hopefully will be able to pass on right you know the kids are kids are saying a lot these days never doom it's uh be aware of the dangers of the evil that exists in the world but never doom always be positive i'm a big believer in manifestation i think individuals can manifest and if you can get society to a critical tipping point of positive thinking and attention and effort that you can manifest a better future as well and i think part of manifesting a better future is understanding the problems that exist today and

that's why i'm extremely thankful that you joined me to have this conversation because this is i think one of the biggest problems in the world and again we need accountability the information needs to come out and whether or not people want to and there's a large part of the population that has cognitive dissonance has succumbed to the sunk cost fallacy and doesn't want to confront this like we've got to push them over the edge and pull them in front of of the truth and just confront it head-on and may send many down uh have some sort of psychological existential crisis but i think we need to rip the band-aid off and do it and so individuals like yourself on the front lines of unearthing this data are extremely extremely extremely valuable so thank you for for all

that you've done oh you're so welcome uh and yeah it's it's been a great chat um i hope i wasn't too much of a downer it's it's just like yeah it's just better to rip the band-aid off like you said There, there, there isn't much to fear, but fear itself. It's, it's not a saying it's true. Um, and you know, even if you're sitting in the fear bubble for a little while, it's uncomfortable as hell, but it won't last. And then you'll move past it and you'll genuinely be somewhere new. That isn't where you were before, where maybe you were ruminating. And I'm saying that from personal experience too. It's like, you know, there's absolutely true movement forward and progress of like self when you make yourself uncomfortable um by by moving

into fear or by trying to you know um prompt yourself to like face something that you've been putting off for a long time like is it possible that the shots filming people um that kind of things so yeah it's it's been great and uh yep i uh i hope everyone reads our new paper that i hope comes out today well we're recording this on friday september 5th this will be released on wednesday september 10th so five days from now so the paper should be published hopefully if not today tomorrow and when it is published send me a link i'll make sure we have it in the show notes um and i'm sure i'll be following up with uh your co-author one of your co-authors kevin uh

to get him back on the show to talk about it as well because again uh i get a lot of particularly like the last year i try to do a covet update episode with somebody like yourself at least once a quarter once every other month because this is something i'm very passionate about i want accountability this could not just be swept under the rug i get a lot of pushback like uh kov is over stop talking about this he kook and it's like no i will not relent until there is accountability great awesome and there will be uh might not be as big as and and awesome as we want but there will be and for anybody who does think that the covid thing is over and we should shut up um one thing i have to say about that is this was not about a virus guys this this was about

a system of control being imposed and it ain't over. It's not over. Like it was a segue to what's coming next, which is all of this gene-based therapy crap. It's all, it's the only thing you're going to hear about in the future. So you mark my words, this ain't over, man. Um, support, support what RFK is doing on that note. Cause the guy, uh, he, he understands the problems and uh he has the power to to change things in a real way right now so yeah um yeah let's let's do this again soon and and kevin can fill you in when you get him back on the on the the um the qubit stuff and uh and the qpcr and all the the nitty-gritty of the testing methodologies that we use to absolutely prove what we're saying is true yeah yeah i actually

yoke having a message i think we're gonna do our next recording in person so it'll hopefully be really um really powerful um but yeah and we should definitely do this again too like i said i'm not gonna relent uh i'm sure as you mentioned this will not be the last thing uh that there is to talk about in regards to uh the command and control wishes of those in power um as it pertains to bodily autonomy and uh bio biochemistry and biotech so i can't wait to do it again this was incredible thank you for your time on this friday afternoon uh i think people are gonna love this good i hope so and i hope you don't mind my clashing clothing i love it for what it's worth i'm a surfer too so um oh well good for you yay i have a surfing trophy up here in my cabinet

i don't have trophies i'm not good enough to get trophies i'm uh right and i know but i did take advantage of the uh yeah so so am i oh wow you don't meet a longboarder fellow very often how awesome i've got a i've got a an irish mongoloid build i can't really uh the short boards are enough for me well i have a dancer's build so that's why i dance on a longboard i have a takayama nose rider a 90 and i have a josh constable uh five sugars model that he custom built he's a pro surfer longboarder too well yeah i take it pretty seriously i wish i guess i i surfed much more in my late teens and early to mid-20s then i started having kids and i was able to paddle out a few times this summer but i'll get back to it yes you will

awesome well jessica have a great weekend keep fighting the good fight thank you for what you're doing and uh we'll do this again at some point in the future awesome thanks for listening everyone all right peace and love freaks if you've made it this far i want to thank you for listening and ask you for a couple things can you subscribe on the platform that you're listening to maybe give us a rating and a review that helps the show quite a bit whether you're listening on spotify apple or fountain speaking of fountain that is my favorite podcasting app if you go over to fountain you can subscribe to the show become a paid subscriber to support the show and receive these episodes ad free in a day early let's go find fountain we're gonna fountain.fm become a

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