TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #665: The Great Reset Rebrand with Whitney Webb & Mark Goodwin

Episode Date: September 27, 2025

Marty sits down with Whitney Webb and Mark Goodwin to discuss the expansion of surveillance infrastructure under the Trump administration, the weaponization of domestic terrorism rhetoric following recent political violence, and how digital ID systems and financial control mechanisms are being implemented globally to restrict individual freedoms. Whitney Webb on Twitter: https://x.com/_whitneywebb Mark Goodwin on Twitter: https://x.com/markgoodw_in Unlimited Hangout: https://unlimitedhangout.com/ STACK SATS hat: https://tftcmerch.io/ Our newsletter: https://www.tftc.io/bitcoin-brief/ TFTC Elite (Ad-free & Discord): https://www.tftc.io/#/portal/signup/ Discord: https://discord.gg/VJ2dABShBz Opportunity Cost Extension: https://www.opportunitycost.app/ Shoutout to our sponsors: Bitkey https://bit.ly/TFTCBitkey20 Unchained https://unchained.com/tftc/ Obscura https://obscura.net/ SLNT https://slnt.com/tftc Join the TFTC Movement: Main YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TFTC21/videos Clips YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUQcW3jxfQfEUS8kqR5pJtQ Website https://tftc.io/ Newsletter tftc.io/bitcoin-brief/ Twitter https://twitter.com/tftc21 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/tftc.io/ Nostr https://primal.net/tftc Follow Marty Bent: Twitter https://twitter.com/martybent Nostr https://primal.net/martybent Newsletter https://tftc.io/martys-bent/ Podcast https://www.tftc.io/tag/podcasts/

you've had a dynamic where money's become freer than free if you talk about a fed just gone nuts all all the central banks going nuts so it's all acting like safe haven i believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency bitcoin wins in the world of fiat currencies bitcoin is the victor i mean that's part of the bull case for Bitcoin. If you're not paying attention, you probably should be. Guys, it's been

ten and a half months since we last caught up. That's a long time. We recorded I believe November 10th 2025, which was two days after the election. We talked about Palantir Mafia coming in and when I was thinking

about how to start this conversation, I'm sure you guys saw it, but Alex Karp at the all-in summit very confidently letting the people of the united states know that palantir is not spying on individual americans at first i was like oh man maybe i've really misunderstood palantir and then i was like wait a second like how is that possible yeah do you remember when like james clapper lied about how they were uh spying on americans under oath and didn't get in trouble for it yeah i think when people like that say they're not spying on americans it's kind of

hard to trust them given a lot of the precedents you know yeah james clapper nsa the nsa is not going to work with palantir though they can't get the contracts if they don't spy enough that's what was told well i'm pretty sure the contract for all 18 u.s intelligence agencies yeah well yeah i guess a year into the trump admin the the last episode we did was like what to expect the next four years um and i think the crux of that conversation revolved around sort of financial stablecoin implementation i think it's pretty clear that that was a very strong priority this administration that passed the genius act rather quickly obviously we're talking about the paypal pounds here mafia getting more ingrained in the surveillance state here that seems to be happening

um and i think one thing we highlighted was with the immigration policy watch out for the border digital ids are probably um the borders where they're gonna basically trojan horse digital ids in and so yeah i mean that's still possible i think that's definitely what's happening in the UK though. So Keir Starmer is pushing through digital ID to stop illegal immigration, which, um, you know, previously the labor party in the UK was pushing it, you know, this is, we're going to stop hate speech and stop online bullying. Um, but it seems like in the U S they're actually, instead of sneaking it through border stuff and on, on those same, you know, um, justifications that the UK government is using, it looks like it's going to

slide in with the genius act um considering what they've uh some of the stuff they've put out asking for comment on uh after its passage sort of framing digital id is an essential pillar to the implementation of um of the genius act so so somebody somebody who uh prides himself on being on the cutting edge of all this i was unaware that digital id was tied into this i i assumed some kyc aml stuff but didn't realize yeah it's not it's not directly like there's nothing in the genius act specifically talking about digital id there's obviously a lot about know your customer and bank secrecy act stuff and and what have you but i think the the bigger well so as it relates to the genius act specifically the treasury did open up you know asking for comments and within

that you know proposition asking for for public comment they did bring up digital id and um you know i think people like low elites at the rage has been covering a lot of the the genius act implications for like, you know, basically using articles of the Patriot Act to push towards a lot of this stuff, which is obviously not good. But I think what's actually kind of interesting is not so much about the US yet, although I think that's it's pretty inevitable that that will come at some point. But we're actually seeing the downstream effects of the stablecoin legislation passing in the US, other places in the world now, like in the UK, they're limiting how many dollar stable coins or attempting to limit how many dollar stable coins a UK citizen can hold.

And then we're seeing, you know, mass debanking in Vietnam. You know, I think it was something like 70 something million bank accounts were closed, you know, basically saying, you know, we'll re-bank you if you agree to this biometric stuff and, you know, basically implement a digital ID. And I think the reason for that is, you know, when there's a proliferation of US dollar stable coins across the world, and, you know, now there's even avenues for yield to be given to those stable coins, which we're going to see, right, at some point, you know, why would any foreign national hold anything other than, you know, dollars, hopefully, you know, Bitcoin, If you're into that. But why would you hold a local currency when you can hold dollars, get yield from it? And all you need to do to get to it is have, you know, a smartphone. So I think countries around the world, the euro, you know, the ECB is now putting out comments being like, we're screwed if we let the dollar stable coins take over.

Because why would you want to stay in the euro when you can get dollars with yield? So we're going to actually see, I think, the rest of the world first implement a lot of restrictions on people via digital ID and, you know, choking these on ramps to stable coins because people are going to massively, you know, flight, you know, just incredible capital flight from the local currencies, you know, and they want to keep that money in their country. Otherwise, you know, they're fucked. They don't want you putting their money in U.S. debt or, you know, in tethers. You know, they want to keep you in your local currency. So we're already starting to see the downstream effects internationally from the Genius Act as it relates to like, let's prevent capital flight because if all the money leaves the country, you know, we're kind of screwed. So it remains to be seen how they'll do it in the U.S., what carrot they'll dangle, whether it's some UBI or some, you know, yield thing or something that gets American citizens to comply with this stuff. But we're already starting to see it as like a defensive maneuver from from foreign nations to like prevent capital flight via stable coins. Just kind of crazy. Yeah, the Vietnam story I read about it last week. It's pretty astonishing.

I believe it was like 84 million bank accounts were closed, and it's typical government, and maybe it makes sense to a certain extent, but I think it's certainly an overreach. They were like, hey, there's a bunch of people spinning up dropshipping businesses here, and they're sort of laundering money from other countries in Southeast Asia and fraudulently spinning up these bank accounts. And I think the population of Vietnam is less than a hundred billion. So obviously there's multiple bank accounts, but something that we've been talking about for quite some time is this push towards biometric verification. And that was sort of what they Trojan horse did. And it's like,

Hey, we need to stop this fraud and stop this money laundering. So we need a face scan or a fingerprint if you want to have an account. Yep. Yeah. Well, I think you're, I mean the,

the pace of that globally and pushing that through globally is really picked up, especially, you know, the EU announced last year that they were going to have this year basically be where they roll it all through for foreign travelers coming into the, the EU. I think the state department just issued something being like Americans prepare to scan your face when you go to Europe. So, you know, they pretty much done that,

but this was an agreed upon thing with Interpol that to move that way. And the U.S. was like agreed to do that. So it just is a matter of time, really, until they implement it. Unless, you know, there's some directive from the administration distancing themselves from that that Interpol policy. But I haven't seen anything of that at this point. So and already, I mean, I haven't traveled to the U.S. since 2023. But I mean, even then it was kind of, you know, face scanning and they wanted you to, you know, do an even more like intense biometric thing. if you wanted to skip the line with that private company clear yeah those guys um and then there's

the the tsa itself has sort of like that that fast fast lane they offer if you like pre-check and apparently they're going to put the deeper scan in with pre-check at some point and you know one of the last times i was flying i was like you know i had like an hour you know i don't like to get to airports early you know because fuck that and i had like an hour to get to my flight it was international flight and you know this lady ran up and was like you're gonna miss your flight you're gonna miss it the security line is too long come with me and i'll sign you up for the clear thing and we'll do the thing and you'll make your flight like you can't miss your flight you know and i was like i'd rather miss my flight and go do that shit uh and then i made it with

like 45 minutes like it wasn't even close but like you know that trying to sigh yeah that like immediate like you're gonna you're gonna miss we're gonna miss like a big thing you're doomed to scan your face yeah and you won't be down no i'll take the doom it's fine i'll catch a later flight it is funny watching how easily conditioned people are because even still in the united states i fly quite frequently within the states and i don't have pre-check people think i'm crazy for that i'm like i just don't have it and you go through the regular line and they have the face scanners pretty much now the day is at every sort of tsa checkpoint for regular um for regular They're boarding lines, and most people don't read the sign right before it that says you can opt out of this.

And I can say with confidence, in the last 20 times I've flown over the last two years, I'm the only one that I've observed that is saying, I'm going to opt out of this. I'm like, you don't have to scan your face. And even if it doesn't matter, there's cameras all throughout the airport, and they're definitely scanning your face, no matter what, it's like, I want to send a message. Like, I do not like this at all. I'm going to consciously opt out of it. Yeah, you can't comply to this stuff. Like, I like totally, and I say this, you know, people always shit on me talking shit on stable coins. And it's like, like, I empathize and sympathize with people that want to use them. I totally get it. And I understand that. But I think, like, you know, we have such few, you know, lines in the sand to draw anymore.

And it's like we need to not comply as much as possible that not in a way that, you know, I'm not suggesting anybody really fuck their lives up or their kids lives or whatever. Obviously, it's a personal decision. But like, yeah, I think if we normalize pushing back these things, because it becomes super normalized that we get our whole body scanned. And it's just like, we really shouldn't have to do that. And digital ID really won't work unless everybody complies. And, you know, unfortunately, they're going to try to figure out some way to manufacture consent for the compliance, you know, and they're damn good at that, unfortunately. That's just what I was going to get to. Like, we are in an environment where it seems like manufactured consent is being drummed up with speech laws, not only in the UK, but they're coming here in the United States. It's the newsletter I wrote last night. I'm not sure if you've seen, I believe it's SB 277 out of California that just passed the Senate.

They're basically going to bring hate speech laws and they're focusing on the social media platforms with more than $100 million in gross revenue annually first. But it's basically the state of California saying, if you say something that we deem is hate speech, we will fine the social media platforms. And that's just a sort of light nudging towards forcing the social media platforms to curb speech. So we're seeing that, obviously, with the aftermath of Charlie Kirk. Things are very divisive right now. The right is certainly ginned up. The left is ginned up as well. And I've made a conscious effort.

Two weeks out, the first few days, I definitely was reacting to it a little emotional. But now after some conversations with people and looking at how the story has sort of developed since then with the narrative that the government's putting out there, what's happening, I'm like, there's something here. It seems like there's some attempt to divide and conquer here. So I'm trying to step back from the culture wars and just focus on Bitcoin and privacy right now. Yeah, definitely good for you. Well, you know, a lot of these, you know, big events and a lot of times they capitalize on real tragedies. The national security state takes advantage of these types of things pretty consistently, consistently to put for greater control. Right. And so, you know, you brought up hate speech laws in California, presumably coming from the left.

There's been a lot of questionable rhetoric from the right after the Kirk assassination talking about hate speech as well. And so ultimately, you know, where does that take us? to a place where there's a lot more censorship than people would want, you know, censorship was a big political issue. Last election cycle, you know, really big for certain, you know, demographics. And so to have sort of the idea that hate speech is going to be potentially embraced by both sides, I definitely don't see that as a good thing. And also, you know, some of the stuff that has come out in the, in the aftermath of this assassination has been this, um, what I would call a renewed push to, um, upstart the war on domestic terror, which people have to keep in

mind. Um, you know, there's a long history to that. And so a lot of times when people get really emotionally sucked in, um, to things, they kind of are focusing very much on like the present and the recent, uh, whereas, you know, the domestic terror infrastructure is something that's been steadily developed by every administration ever since 9-11. Because remember, in the post 9-11 environment, that's how we got the Department of Homeland Security. And right before 9-11, they introduced legislation to basically make DHS, but under a different name. And there wasn't a lot of support for it until conveniently after 9-11, when a lot of legislation that was liberty curbing was pushed through, you know, the Patriot Act being the most well-known,

but also the creation of DHS and numerous other laws. And ultimately, a lot of the war on terror infrastructure was always meant to be used domestically at some point, which is why you have a lot of those same things launching, you know, at the same time in the early 2000s. And so, you know, every administration since then, from Bush to Obama, and then Trump the first time around and Biden, they have all expanded the domestic terror infrastructure and apparatus. And if you actually look at the definition of how the government defines domestic terrorism, which is actually put out by the Biden administration, but it's been supported, I haven't seen them change, to the best of my knowledge, the definition since Trump came in.

But it includes people really on both sides of the divide, people that are against perceived government overreach, for example, can be defined as domestic terrorists. And then people who are against all forms of capitalism, for example, and that was Biden that put that out. But that could include potentially you're against stakeholder capitalism of the World Economic Forum, for example. And it's a pretty wide-reaching thing, unfortunately. And, you know, governments tend to use kind of these vague definitions and use them to their advantage whenever they want. Right. So they're kind of they give themselves a lot of wiggle room so they can label whoever they want a domestic terrorist. And so, you know,

Antifa has now been labeled a domestic terror organization. And I would look at them as something, you know, sort of like most likely very Fed infiltrated in the same way that like patriot front and like even the Proud Boys had feds or like informants like at the very top of the of the structure and things like that. You know, they tend to this is how the national security state operates when it wants to justify bigger budgets, more control and a removal of our liberties. And this has been going on since the 1980s with Operation Gladio. When they developed the strategy of tension, they were the CIA and intelligence agencies basically were funding terrorism against civilians in Europe. And then they were blamed on left-leaning groups,

and they specifically were going after civilians. And it was a CIA plan, really, to prevent regimes that they deemed as aligned with the Soviets, potentially, but not even actually. Just like left-leaning parties, they wanted to push Europe politically in a particular direction or towards particular candidates. They were financing terrorism, and they were doing that with the mob in the Vatican. I mean, it was a very, but I mean, it's a documented thing. So, you know, call me a conspiracy person all you want, which of course people like to do. But I mean, it's something that, you know, intelligence agencies have been doing. And so that, you know, if they want to institute draconian control measures, digital control measures over the

United States or Western society or global society at large, they're probably, you know, they tend to fall back on these same patterns and tactics that they've used time and again, decade over decade. And so what I worry about is a push for that happening again, now that, but I mean, flipping sides, right? So you could argue that Biden tried to do it to an extent, but I think really it's whatever parties in power, they push for continued expansion of this apparatus um and they they use it they they use whichever group is convenient to pander to their base to justify us um giving up liberty for perceived security right which is also part of the operation gladio strategy of tension i mean that's exactly uh what the goal of it was was to

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already forgotten about the church shooting in minneapolis um the irana stabbing in north carolina obviously charlie kirk this morning i'm not sure if you guys saw but somebody with a sniper shot people at the dallas ice facility so it seems like this accelerating political violence is definitely going to be used as a frame to to push and take civil liberties and i think one thing that people forgot mark i think i saw you comment on a tweet i put out about this but right after the minneapolis shooting you had some xidf guy on fox business news saying that they were going to deploy gideon his ai pre-crime surveillance tech yeah yeah there's already a masaj cia uh i would argue it's a front it's a company called gabriel that sells like preventative

tech to schools and churches to prevent shootings before they happen um if you're interested in reading about them you can search for gabriel and unlimited hangout um but there's been efforts to sort of build up, position particular companies for this, what I would call pre-crime infrastructure. And they, in 2019 specifically, they really started selling themselves as preventing mass shootings before they happened. One of these companies was Carbine 911, now known as Carbine, which people may remember was financed heavily by Jeffrey Epstein and Leslie Wexner and Ehud Barak used to be the chairman. And a lot of, you know, Israeli intelligence people, including like the commander of Unit 8200, were on the board. An Epstein associate named Nicole

Yunkerman was on the board. And then they kind of, the Epstein association came out and they tried to distance themselves, yada, yada, yada. But they were selling themselves to take over 911 call systems throughout the U.S. and basically sold themselves in 2019 that we can stop mass shootings before they happen or respond, increased response time and all of these things. And now they've slowly taken over the 911 call systems of a litany of counties across the United States. But after the Epstein stuff came out, they tried to rebrand as more American. So they only left one, you know, ex-Israeli intelligence guy that co-founded it, you know, there. And they put like Michael Chertoff on the board of advisors who was former DHS. And they put, um, one of Trump's

previous heads of DHS, Chris, uh, Christian Nielsen, I think her name was, um, and then an ex FBI guy or something, um, to try and I guess, make it look more American, but it's, it's really the same, um, the same type of program. And also Peter Thiel was a big investor in that. And now, uh, recently published emails from Epstein world that have come out in the first half of this year show, Ehud Barak and Epstein talking about meeting with Peter Thiel specifically about about Carbine. And, you know, that's relevant because of, you know, Thiel and Palantir, Palantir being specifically pre-crime focused. And what's important, too, is, you know, back at the end of 2019, when all this was going on, Trump was still was in office the first time

and all of these, you know, mass shootings were happening and there was an outcry about it, like the El Paso Walmart shooting, for example, and a few other things that took place in a relatively short period of time. And what's interesting about that is before those shootings happened, not long before, William Barr, who was Attorney General, gave this speech where he basically was like, we need to remove encryption. We have to have a federal backdoor into everything encrypted, all encrypted software. And we'll eventually get that because what he called a galvanizing event uh would soon happen that would help reduce americans resistance to that policy right and then all of these shootings happen and um and then um in that same and and then not long

after that william barr makes pre-crime of an official policy of the department of justice so he set up the infrastructure to legalize pre-crime at that time um in october 2019 and so it's been being built on ever since, but they haven't really necessarily made it deployed it massively. Right. But they've set up the legal infrastructure to legalize it. And they created a program under which the DOJ has made a few arrests that's called DEEP. It's an acronym. I forget exactly what it stands for, but they've made a few arrests where they've arrested people preemptively for social media posts. And then in that same period of time, also Trump came out as and his touted response to these mass shootings was to have social media sites deploy some sort of

software program that would detect shooters before they can act. Right. So continuing to build on this pre-crime thing. And at the time he was being pitched and the biggest lobbyist in the administration for it was Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump to create this new agency, a health DARPA or a HARPA, they called it. And the first program of it, the pilot program of it was called SAFE Homes, which is again, another very long acronym for something that I don't remember. Sorry. But basically the idea of it was to have AI scour American social media posts in mass and then use an algorithm to determine which posts show users exhibiting early neuropsychiatric psychiatric warning signs, and that if they were, you know, flags, they could be

triaged to a variety of, of solutions, like court ordered physicians, or psychiatrists, right, or like potentially house arrest, just for having social media posts that the AI has determined is bad. It's, it's very messed up. So, you know, ultimately, they didn't make HARPA, but Biden made HARPA. It's called ARPA-H. And the same architects of the HARPA that was being pitched under Trump ended up being the same architects of Biden's ARPA-H. But ARPA-H was sold as a cancer moonshot. We're going to cure cancer with ARPA-H. But I mean, ARPA-H is absolutely still around and still has these kinds of this kind of focus in addition to its health focus. Right. So So, unfortunately, you know, the Trump administration, or at least Trump as a president, has that precedent from his previous administration of responding to concerns about guns by being like, we should apply pre-crime to American social media posts and determine who might be a bad actor before they commit any crime.

And from the civil liberty perspective, this is terrible. And an even greater warning sign is the increasing involvement, which you brought up earlier, Marty, of Palantir in this administration, because Palantir was specifically really created to be a pre-crime entity. It is a successor to this post 9-11 program that was housed in DARPA called Total Information Awareness. And it's it's, you know, been a Palantir since then has been piloting predictive policing, you know, throughout the country. I think they first started doing that in the 2014, 2015 window. And, you know, they because of their connections with all, you know, pretty much every U.S. intelligence agency and how much data they hover up and hold on every American having Palantir, you know, be involved in the government so extensively. And also now in like your taxes, like their recent partnership with like the IRS and, you know, with mortgages and like increasingly getting involved with finances. and also, you know, running a lot of major Wall Street banks, you know, it could potentially get very, very complicated. And so we're sort of at the stage where a lot of this infrastructure

is starting to come together. And in order to get people to relinquish civil liberties enough to have this kind of predictive policing infrastructure be the norm, something really big has to happen. People have to get really angry. And more importantly, people have to get really insecure and fearful. Right. And so, you know, I worry that this is sort of a, you know, an important moment, an inflection point where they're going to try and start pushing us in that direction. A turning point. I was going to say that, but I didn't want to. But I mean, well, you know, I mean, you know, Trump and Elon Musk and some of these other peoples explicitly made that you know say signaling in their statements around the charlie

kirk memorial for example that this is a turning point and all of that um but we don't want it to be a turning point where it leads us to a dark um end point right well it's interesting right one of the first reactions to the you know the the brutal assassination was you know the putting pressure on discord on steam on signal on signal on i think even twitter i think a bunch of the ceos for these companies are going to be called to sort of testify about what they can do to sort of prevent things like this and a lot of the um you know public discourse about the shooting has been about you know the grooming that takes place on platforms like discord and and uh you know how can the feds come in and and clean it up with predictive policing with ai algorithms with some

sort of ai moderation as if feds have never groomed a mass shooter before or anything like that but um let's not get you demonetized but but the um but it's whenever i you know obviously it's a difficult thing to talk about because it's we're so close to it uh no one really has any idea what's going on we're all being fed information from sources we generally don't trust anyway so i don't necessarily trust the fbi right now not to get put on the list but you know i don't know i have no idea what happened it's it's fucked up it's sad but the reaction is something i can absolutely in the discourse is absolutely something i can comment on and immediately it went to you know these apps these communication platforms which are very important for us to be able to organize

under you know and it's it's dangerous i think it's very scary to me that you know the uh You know, a few of the platforms left where people can kind of have a somewhat of a public square, you know, they're actually a centralized choke point, just like that California bill you brought up. It's like they're not attacking the people writing the stuff on Twitter or YouTube. You know, they're attacking the centralized platformers and they can put pressure on them. I'm going to fine you $100 million if someone says, you know, something, something, something, they're not going to let that happen because it will hurt their bottom line. And so the incentive is very easy to push on these private companies. Again, they're private companies, you know, they're not necessarily constitutionally protected. And so I think, unfortunately, the reaction that we're going to see from a lot of this, and I've already started to see it, is, you know, a further, you know, erosion of the little public square we have left, which is which is not a lot. And you mentioned it earlier, you know, like the left is ginned up, the right is ginned up and like they fucking should be. Everybody should be ginned up right now. But unfortunately, it seems like we're ginned up at each other. And that's the goal, right?

Yeah. You know, I would argue who are some domestic terrorists that should be gone after? I don't know. What about Dick Cheney? What about Leslie Wexner, who funded Jeffrey? Why can't we investigate them with all of the resources of of DHS and, you know, the Palantir and the NSA and whatever? Like, why can't we go after people like people like that? But instead, it's going to be pointed at regular people. And what I am concerned about, too, specifically with the Antifa branding, is that they'll try and conflate anyone who criticizes fascism in general as being somehow affiliated with Antifa. And like there was a zero hedge story that I read talking about the Antifa labeling that basically was conflating like people who are anti-fascist, but not necessarily associated with the group Antifa as being part of it. And that's complicated because maybe you're someone like me and you don't like fascism or communism. Right. You know, fancy. Um, and do we, you know, if there's an issue where it becomes very apparent or a policy is being put forth, that would very much, I don't know, uh, bring to fruition the Mussolini

style of fascism core of corporatism, you know, a fusion of, uh, corporate corp, you know, of corporation and state. Uh, and you want to criticize that. Will you get labeled as anti-fascist, you know, as part of this, these organizations and people might think that's kind of far off. But I mean, think about how the original war of domestic war of terror went. Right. Where regular people in the U.S. that happened to be Muslim were targeted. And even though they had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. Right. Well, and now you have the former head of Al Qaeda being given a diplomatic welcome in New York. Like, you know, well, that's David Petraeus is like, how are you holding up? Yeah. Former head of Al Qaeda. Yeah, this is insane to me. I have this teed up to share because I think it highlights one thing like the 9-11 was an inside job.

Most definitely. Whoa, whoa. Yeah. So sorry, Marty. Well, I think. Yeah. I mean, I think the 9-11 narrative that we've been fed is completely wrong. What happened to Building 7?

Nobody wants to talk about. Well, I mean, Americans were told we have to give up all of our freedoms because we have to destroy the people who did this. this is one of the guys that did that yeah and that's that's the point that's why it's like their their narrative when it's convenient to push through the patriot act and all these civil liberties infringing directives from the government uh they'll they'll run with the narrative but here we are 24 years later nobody really cares about al-qaeda anymore it's like hey yeah well that guy uh al-jalani or al-jalani who's in charge of syria now the u.s helped put him there it was obama and hillary in the obama administration it's been aided by every

administration since then until assad was overthrown um and they're literal terrorists and here here we are now he's in a suit so it's fine um and now he's shaking hands with another terrorist named general david petraeus that used to be head of the cia um that's hate speech i better be careful it's almost so far in your face too and like building on it's almost like all right command and control we had the al-qaeda war against terrorism narrative for 20 years forever war that sort of pittered out it's like okay now we're gonna pivot to this domestic terrorism framing the drug divide people and bringing even more surveillance technology to the country you know by the way as soon as we start doing that we're gonna basically tie a knot in the al-qaeda

of thing we're friends now and it's yeah completely weird and can you imagine having lost a family member in 9-11 or having cancer because you were a first uh responder to 9-11 and watching this happen in new york too like it right it was at the un right yeah and like uh they want to let anyone from from palestine come represent palestine and no not hamas like the pa you know or like someone any any palestinian diplomat including the ones that have no affiliation with hamas at all they were all blocked uh from coming to represent palestine but yeah let's let the al-qaeda guy come in that's that's fine it's very weird it's very weird and that's what i think well i mean it just means they're full of shit yeah well and that's what i wanted to bring up i mean obviously years

ago we're talking about agenda 2030 as put forth by the world economic forum but if you and i think there's a lot of people that are under the impression like okay we avoided that we're not yeah in the great reset but i think it's just oh really branded yeah well thanks in charge when we came on i don't know 20 2023 or i guess early 2024 maybe yeah yeah we wrote this piece called tokenized ink and we kind of phrased it as like we called it phase shift dialectics and it's like all of a sudden you know malaise at at davos and like everybody's cheering yeah they were like malay obliterated davos and the davos elites that were interviewed were like we loved did he spank us harder daddy malay you know i mean that doesn't make any sense if that okay

right it doesn't happen that quickly the switch yeah doesn't go like that also by the way he did not get rid of the central bank and now we're gonna bail them out yeah yeah yeah a lot of issues there but yeah i mean like think you know he's like mr esg basically and then he pivots becomes a bitcoin maxi and uh you know starts leaning into a lot of this you know kind of like freedom rhetoric or whatever now he's running the wef now he's running the wef and uh i don't i was thinking we we watched this really interesting um corbett report documentary about blackrock and talking about aladdin which was you know the um this this computer system built um you know by an israeli with with the blackrock guys that basically is like the risk management tool

system for like the whole financial system it's pretty incredible it's brought up in adam Curtis's hyper-normalization. Aladdin is a very interesting, you know, data farm, and I believe in the Washington area. And, you know, it's really interesting. It connected a dot for me that I had never really connected before about how, you know, why are they pushing these ESG things? And the way that I kind of understood it in the context of this was, you know, because Aladdin is actually this financial instrument that helps put, you know, does risk analysis for all of these big index funds, and all these big traders and VC firms that are, you know, sloshing around, you know, the biggest, most liquid market in the world in the US dollar, like derivatives and futures and

funds indexes. And, you know, ESG is actually really this way, if they create an ESG score, this like social credit system, and they say, you know, you know, if you're using too much of your own power or, you know, you, you have these, this infrastructure that is really bad for the environment, but you're actually like an independent, you know, company that can kind of survive on its own because you have the infrastructure you need to survive. You're not dependent on, you know, maybe less, um, you know, resilient, uh, you know, green energy or whatever. Um, you know, they, they can actually literally pick and choose which companies survive, via this, you know, algorithmic financial market.

And they can say, if you don't have a high enough ESG score, then we're not going to put you in these indexes. We're not going to tell people to buy your funds. And you get a low score in Aladdin, which runs fucking everything. And so in reality, they're actually picking and choosing companies that have a less chance of being independent and pushing back from, you know, whatever sort of totalitarianism market, you know wef agenda structure stuff that we're starting to see be implemented under a right

rhetoric so these companies that are actually able to get through uh have a high enough esg score play by daddy fink's rules they're actually going to be a lot less independent um so they are able to financialize companies that don't have as much independence and therefore can't really push back against the state which has you know kind of gone into these you know private wells everywhere and aladdin is just like this humongous thing that no one ever talks about and it has such huge effects um for like how they're going to implement this stuff and i think it's really not that surprising unfortunately that you know fink is now you know co-chair of the forum and he's also the guy who has more control over anybody else via his firm and via this analytics you know

empire to pick and choose winners of the future economy so it's like they're using the guise of you know free market uh you know libertarianism to actually enact and actualize all the esg shit all the wef stuff all the shit that is really scary that we we end up having these sort of um companies that are reliant on you know state power companies and state data centers and all this stuff and they really don't have any ability to push back then those companies are the ones that get choke pointed by free speech they're the ones that are running youtube facebook you know all these companies that choose to they want to be winners so they they play ball and now they have no grounds to stand uh you know when when things get crunched down and we're seeing that now that

the crunch is really happening from the state and there's a slow erosion of civil liberties via financial incentives. And, you know, that's something that, you know, Bitcoiners and freedom based people have talked about for so long. This erosion of constitutional rights will be done through financial incentives. Well, how do they actually do it? Now they have all these mechanisms to really pick and choose and make sure only companies that have no chance of pushing back are the ones that get, you know, all the money and the ones that get all the resources from a financialization standpoint. And nowadays, it's all about financialization. I mean, there's really like companies nowadays, it doesn't doesn't even fucking matter how much money you make. It's like

what your stock price is. And, you know, if you're included in the S&P 500 or not, if you're in such and such index fund or not, if the traders like you, if there's a meme, if someone, some influencer is shilling your stock, I mean, it's we've gone into such this, we financialize finance in such a ludicrous way that now it's really all algorithmic driven um and who controls the algorithms there's not that many people it's a really small group of people it's the finks it's the carps it's the teals um and now they're all sitting on top of the biggest think tanks and basically in the white house um so you know now we're we're kind of going to see the fruits of that of that work and and hopefully we don't i think i started this rant talking about left and

right being jimmied up against each other and not against the guys shaking the jar and it's like we know we know what they're going to do we know what they've built we they've told us their policies that they want to implement you know it was just klaus schwab and his fucking robe and he told us what he wanted to do and we just sort of forgot because we just assumed he's gone now but it's like no they're going to implement all these things it's going to be digital id it's going to be carbon credit scores it's going to be erosion of free speech and now they can actually do it They are doing it and they're going to keep using legitimate crises or manufactured ones to keep slowly eroding the shore. And it's also a big part of the West's push, right, was the fourth industrial revolution, which is this push into transhumanism and the so-called libertarian elites behind people like J.D.

Vance and that have been really involved with the Trump administration this cycle are very overtly transhumanist and think that the only way forward is to basically merge with machine. which, you know, in practice is not really that different. And, you know, I really wish that more people that actually cared about liberty and civil liberties and freedom and individual sovereignty would actually pay attention to the political philosophies of people like Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin, Nick Land, who was, you know, one of the main influences on Marc Andreessen's techno-optimist manifesto because they're not libertarian. I mean, it's bonkers to me that people, I mean, I guess they self-define as that, but I think it's in the same, I mean, it's a wolf in sheep's clothing for them to self-define like that. And I think people haven't

really looked very closely at what these people want because, you know, in the case of someone like, like Yarvin, who's very close with Peter Thiel and has influenced tremendously his political philosophy. I mean, basically, you know, and this is kind of common with how a lot of the stuff we've been talking about recently works, you know, they'll accurately talk about how the system sucks and people are like, yeah, the system does suck, you know. But then they get around to their solutions. And then, you know, when people like agree with your diagnosis of the problem, they'll be like more inclined to get on board with your solutions. So, you know, with Curtis Yarvin, it's basically about creating, turning the US into a corporate monopoly. So it's about

deconstructing the existing state and the cathedral and all of that. And then once sufficiently deconstructed, you know, sufficiently, basically completely privatized the state. But in doing so, you're not going to limit or eliminate the authoritarian powers of the state, you will keep them. And then you'll basically have a CEO of that SovCorp, sovereign corporation, or whatever a gov corp a government corporation uh run everything as a dictator yeah i don't think that sounds very liberty maximizing to me and there's a quote from yarvin uh that is very i mean honestly it's something klaus schwab could have said uh i'll read it to you marty because i wanted to make sure that i had it uh verbatim right so no one can be like he never said that

no he absolutely did um this is his opinion on what should be done with uh undesirable elements of society or adults who are not productive members of society. He said, quote, our goal in short is a humane alternative to genocide. That is, the ideal solution achieves the same result as mass murder, i.e., in parentheses, the removal of undesirable elements from society, in parentheses, but without any of the moral stigma. The best humane alternative to genocide I can think of is not to liquidate the wards, meaning people, either metaphorically or literally, but to virtualize them. A virtualized human is in permanent solitary confinement,

waxed like a bee larva into a cell which is sealed except for emergencies. This would drive him insane, except that the cell contains an immersive virtual reality interface that allows him to experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world. live in the pod live in the multiverse uh yeah who decides if you're undesirable the corporate monarch on top of the day i've met curtis in person i actually went to uh two two of the four-part lecture series of peter teal's antichrist you did in austin yeah oh shit what was it like i got invited yeah uh by a friend they did at uatx and it was actually interesting and i think uh the uh i think people like the way he thinks the antichrist is going to

be some like 33 year old and something we should look out for and the way he framed 33 year old the antichrist has to be around the same age of jesus this is is his thesis and uh it was uh very interesting i've met curtis in person too and i think he's got a very hoppy in view would you describe as like a corporate monopoly dictatorship he would describe as like we need to get back to monarchy which i don't think i agree with i think we need more i think but i mean that's not libertarian you see what i'm saying like a monarchy isn't libertarian it isn't liberty maximizing uh it does not reduce or remove the authoritarian authoritarian power of the state uh there would still be under a monarchy there's still like tariffs and regulations and all of these things

that libertarians don't like i don't see how it's libertarian yeah no i mean the i think the argument i'm not going to speak for him but i think the gist of what i understand i'm not saying i completely agree with like i don't think it's pragmatic in the sense that it could actually be implemented but i think his view would be is that monarchs if they're actually um doing their job right and they're incentivized to do their job right because the people will kill them if they don't and so they're like i'm just giving the sort of neo-reactionist monarch yeah but at the same time if you do that in today's world you know and someone like peter teal has palantir around uh no one gets to kill the monarch when he does a bad job yeah no i completely agree it's not

pragmatic for today's day and age like i think we'd get back to like holy roman empire you think that levels of distribution like if you go back to the holy roman empire and you have like very very small city states i think that is what was wasn't it still kind of feudalist though it was it was i'm talking about from like a state structure wise like i'm talking to get more distributed more decentralized like here in the united states but without the feudalism right yeah yeah okay well to me it's interesting the way that technology plays a role in the like decentralization and then re-centralization and then like the state is always kind of fluctuating like that and like i mean it's an analogy that's made a bunch of times

but like the idea of like the gunpowder revolution being a decentralizing thing at first you know because it's like you want to go kill the monarch well now i got a fucking musket and i can go in there and shoot you or whatever and it like decentralized the monopoly on violence but then they got really good at making gunpowder and you know f-16s and whatever uh and you know drones and surveillance technology and all these things and then that like monopoly was reinstated by the furthering of that technology so while it was something that initially decentralized power and did lead to like uprisings of you know you know people in the feudal system being able to you know get out of it because they could go blam blam uh good luck

reloading your musket fast enough you know as one monarch to kill 50 peasants or whatever like good luck but then as the technology grew on it became re-centralizing and i think we're seeing that with communication tech and we're seeing that with um you know financial tech because initially all these things did distribute power like the internet in the 90s was fucking awesome the internet in the early 2000s was fucking amazing it was cool there was tons of crazy shit happening it was really creative there was like you know i was like a big gamer in that time and like playing counter-strike and user map settings and mods and fucking starcraft and you know downloading roms and things yeah exactly like it there was there were there was vernacular being

made there was connections being made there was a really cool thing and i think i said this actually on the show before but it's like we built the internet it was the people it was very yes it was a DARPA project but then it spread out and it you know all the the communication early on on the internet the cool content was like made by us it was made by like cool people online and that was very cool and now we're seeing it like re-centralize and now it's like the internet to like six billion people in the world like is Facebook and like that's not the fucking internet like that sucks going back to AOL yeah exactly like we've gone back to the AOL homepage um but without the like disturbing chat rooms and interesting shit going on you know now it's

just like the most like sanitized you know uh corpo approved content and now we're seeing yeah communication tech has kind of re-centralized and i think kind of unfortunately like i don't know how it's all going to play out but i think we're kind of seeing that with financial tech too where like a lot of the stuff that was going on at the beginning of the sort of digital financial revolution like was pretty uh revolutionary and like it was amazing that you could generate coins meaningfully with like a cpu and be able to you know transact you know with like very little bandwidth very little storage space uh and very little processing power and being able to have a swiss bank on your you know dell or whatever now it's like kind of re-centralizing and a lot

of the peer-to-peer stuff um that was you know so cool about the promise of the early revolution is like everyone's just going to trusted custodians like i'm not saying everybody i'm not saying i'm not i'm not a doomer about it i think there are people doing cool stuff but my fear is that we've seen a cycle of technology dissolving power and then re-centralizing it to an even smaller you know the u.s empire is the biggest monopoly of violence in the world yes the gunpowder revolution decentralized power from feudal lords to the peasants but now it's re-centralized to you know f-16s b-52s b-2s whatever you know no one's fucking with that now we have drone tech and all the stuff that's gonna just even further centralize where good luck uh you know when we

have ai drones going around taking out um you know people before they do something bad because they've they've profiled them successfully like good luck fighting back against that power we've seen this time and time again this you know devolving decentralization re-centralization and i think we're seeing it with communication tech i think we're already kind of there the internet is way less free than it used to be um and i'm fearful of that happening with financial tech because i think the way you dictate human behavior is with financial incentives like that's how you do it and so if they want to really dictate human behavior they've got the content stuff kind of down they're doing pretty good with that but now you affect monetization

you affect their bank accounts you affect income streams you inflate the fuck out of the dollar which is obviously happening and about to happen you get everybody on the globe onboarded onto the dollar with stable coins then you inflate the fuck out of the dollar and then it's like okay well you have your wallet and we'll send you two thousand bucks a month if you if you conform and do all these things and they can really centralize monetary policy like it's ironic like the end result of cryptocurrency might literally be the u.s treasury runs the entire financial system yeah well that's how you get your new world currency we're not gonna let it happen we're not gonna let it happen yeah yeah i mean we can't i mean we can't because there's no coming back

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we recommend that you expand the patriot act to include a sixth condition i think is how they call it i think there's five conditions that that the patriot act sort of looks for when it pertains to financial information they're like we need to expand create a sixth condition for digital assets and i mean it's just completely tone deaf from the administration where it's like no we're a bunch of people who would like to repeal the patriot act repeal the bank secrecy act and And then you had comments on the Hill, I believe, two or three weeks ago from FinCEN and the Treasury talking about what they want to do to sort of codify the six condition. And they talked about eliminating the ability for individuals to coin join, eliminating the ability for individuals to do sort of delayed transaction broadcasting, which is a a good tried and true best practice for broadcasting on-chain bitcoin transactions

and the one asinine thing that really is like a signal like holy crap they're trying to really screw this up for people is like you can't have single use addresses which is best practice you don't want to be sending bitcoin to the same address and they're like we don't like the practice of people creating single use addresses when they're receiving bitcoin that that tells us that they're doing something nefarious when that is literally best practice, but people have been recommended to do since X pubs became a thing over 10 years ago. Yeah. See, I mean,

this is why it's important with the talking about the war on domestic terror, war of terror stuff, because a lot of this is justified of we, a lot of the stuff that's been, or rhetoric that's been used to justify, uh, targeting, uh, you know, improved privacy on transactions has been, Oh, It could be used to finance terrorism or it could be money laundering. But, you know, who's the biggest financer of terrorism and the biggest money launderer in the world? Well, it's probably it's probably, you know, the U.S. government and its allied governments in their national security states that have documented.

I mean, there's so much evidence of them doing that for a very, very long time through a variety of banks. um and you know in the digital era they're probably using entities like that for those same purposes as well i would be shocked if they were not um and this is about censoring or preventing regular people from having privacy just like how i said earlier bill barr being like we want access to everyone's encrypted stuff we don't want encryption to really exist, at least as it relates to the federal government. You know, maybe there's encryption between, you know, me and Mark and me and you, Marty, right? But like the government would have a backdoor into whatever it wants. And that's what they want for financial transactions, too.

And also, you know, you have to keep in mind, you know, data is the new oil. They want to harvest as much data from us as possible. If, you know, financial transactions are walled off and they can't take that data, they don't like that. And it's an important part of them being able to profile you. I mean, a lot of the stuff that's in your NSA file or whatever, and what they've sucked up through all the warrantless spying for decades now, you know, a lot of it is financial transactional stuff. And I don't think they have any interest in having that change. But now as we see this, you know, apparent effort to sort of regen up war on domestic terror rhetoric, we need this to stop Antifa and the dark money going into these radical left organizations, this and that.

I mean, be careful there because they may be pushing for the same stuff and say it's to stop all these groups, you know, but ultimately it is less financial freedom for everyone. Right. And even if you do subscribe to the two party system, like in earnest, it's like, let's not set precedent to go after leftist groups really hard. And then, you know, it's fucking Gavin Newsom running this shit and he comes in and starts going after all these right groups. Like, even if you do subscribe to that, it's a very dangerous because I mean, they'll change perception and pivot whenever it's convenient for them. And they'll use it to enact really disgusting, dangerous, you know, even acts of war. Like, let's like, what are they doing in Venezuela right now? It's like they're like, oh, my God, all the drugs are pouring in from Venezuela. Let's go bomb these people.

it's like as if the u.s government hasn't been bringing in drugs and trafficking drugs in the united states and financing their like black book operations like oh now we got to go blow up a fishing boat in venezuela and start like an act of war and have like it's it's just absurd um i guess maybe they figured out another way to finance black book operations using cryptocurrency but maybe they don't need the other keeping the ukraine war going so that's right you know right Sure. But it's like they'll they will take something that they'll entrench and they'll use to, you know, to make a law or to do a thing, you know, a decade ago. And then in the future, they'll use the exact opposite of that thing to enforce, you know, whatever the hell they want. So it's like we have enough evidence now of this ping pong back and forth.

these ping-pongs used to be generational where we would see you know um you know parties literally just switch entirely you know the dems and the republicans basically switched uh you know in the in the kennedy era like you know and before you know what side they were really on in terms of kind of traditional left right that switched that used to be a generational thing you wouldn't see that in your lifetime our fucking generation is getting onslaughted with just back and forth we're in this you know like we we kind of said you know last time we were on we're like we're entering this fucking you know uh a cyclone and the hyper normalization of everything is going to be super destabilizing and discombobulating on purpose and they're going to use it to push a

whole bunch of shit and it's going to be really crazy it's been even crazier than i possibly thought it could be with with like how fast things are going back and forth and moving and just like I mean, just this administration alone, I mean, does it feel like it's been nine months? I mean, I feel like it's been like two years. Oh my God, yeah. Yeah, and it's like I wrote a newsletter like the week after Charlie Kirk, like don't focus on the negative, focus on the good coming out of that. And I think when it comes to all this discussion, like particularly the war on domestic terror, like the signal to me that we're going in the right direction is when you're actually attacking the core of the problem, which I think is people are doped up on SSRIs that are driving them crazy. The food's bad.

Your health's bad. And you're not actually we're not actually getting to the other core of the problem, the predominant core of the problem, which is the economic situation. Like people are all pissed off because they can't sustain a quality of life that their parents and grandparents were able to. And that's going to drive people to the streets and they're going to have sort of misdirected ire. Yeah, but they don't want another like Occupy Wall Street thing when people realize that they're still getting, you know, screwed by bankers, right? And that's what we need to anchor people to focus on the core problems. Like it's economic, quality of life, wealth gap. Totally.

Yeah, and I would add that our government is run by organized crime, who are also the bankers, basically, and they don't want freedom for the plebs. Yeah, it's like, let's hyper focus on like... How do we get the plebs to give their freedoms away to us and we'll tell them that they're getting all of these things, you know, better security, no crime, etc. who like people have really bad quality of life for all the reasons why you just said i would say i agree you know it's a bit of a cop-out sometimes but i kind of think it's true it's like well the the dollar has just inflated so much no one can save any money wages suck everything's more expensive everyone is like it's just the pot is boiling and really instead of blaming the people that caused the situation in the first place right like this was an issue i had

uh you know i hate both parties but this was an issue i had with some of the people that were giving a free pass to trump for 2.0 it's like he printed a ton of money and locked everybody down but like he was a big part of the bailouts uh the first time around the going direct plan which you could argue maybe was even the point of the pandemic was to print a ton of money when the repo market fails in fall 2019 and then shut everything down uh so there's no demand and we print trillions of dollars and hand it to black rock basically but like we're all focusing on not the issues a and not the cause of the issues b and then c we're focusing on like oh it's like armed mentally ill transsexuals that are the that's why my life sucks you know it's like no

it's not there's like barely any of them in the world at all like i like we're all being really like you know because our content feeds are so curated they can again i talked about this last time they know what demographic we are they can feed us exactly what it is that we need to see to push us a little bit in that direction and we misplace the blame for yeah they get us so angry at the total wrong things like again i think tds trump derangement syndrome was like the greatest psyop maybe next to q like ever because the left is so deranged as to how they talk about trump that you can't even take them seriously and they don't talk and like it's like okay well your criticisms of trump are ridiculous but there's a lot of things to criticize trump about but you

can't because then you're a libtard and it's like well no i i don't have anything against the i'm not i don't blame the liberals for for anything that happened like they were socially engineered to do absolutely insane shit and believe crazy shit because their quality of life sucked and i don't blame the right either because they were socially engineered just on a different social media platform or with a different algorithm and i don't blame them it's not their fault it's not the left or the right's fault it's the the people at the top that are giving us all this shit to make us mad at each other and we need to come together and not go kill each other in the streets and go point at the people that are causing this and as the discourse falls apart as our public

squares fall apart and we're forced more and more on to centralized platforms and centralized financial instruments we like lose the ability to come together and fight the real issue that we need to fight and even just saying that right like i'm probably now on some fucking palantir database because i'm saying we should you know uh they don't surveil us since you're fine i could perfect perfect but like yeah we should tar and feather the people running the government on both sides that did this to us i don't want to hurt my brother in the street you know it's like they're my classmates you know like they're not i don't care if they believe crazy things i think both people on both sides believe crazy things i probably believe crazy

things but i'm not that they're not my enemy you know they're my brother so why are we shooting each other well i brought up i brought up walkie pie wall street earlier and i think that was really disturbing to them because that was like this is the majority of people yes and it's against the oligarchy right the one percent oligarchy um and honestly you know a lot of my work points to this being a bipartisan thing, pushing us towards this techno-feudalism, like a neo-feudalism stuff with transhumanism in it, where they use transhumanism and AI to basically stratify the 99% from the 1% by technological and genetic engineering means, basically. And they're very open about that. And one of the guys I brought up earlier,

who was an inspiration for Marc Andreessen's techno-optimist stuff, one of the neo reactionary guys the dark enlightenment guys names nick land uh he basically says uh he calls the elite the self-filtering or what is it i wrote it down sorry genetically self-filtering elite and says that they're superior uh uh and that they'll continue to be superior because uh you know once the singularity is here um you know we'll uh be the elites will be able to dominate genetic engineering and will engineer themselves into something completely superior to everyone else and then basically the rest of us uh will be uh trash you know and this is also in uh you know i mean a lot of the same rhetoric in like mark andreason world and nick land world is really

similar to the rhetoric you get from the globalists like eric schmidt and henry kissinger in their books about it and how basically we need to become forget what they called it something like techno optimists or something that like we need to become we need to merge with machines it's the only way and you hear this from elon too um and you know it's i it makes sense when you look at how people like eric schmidt are also on the steering committee of bilderberg with peter teal and alex carp and we're told these are elites on different sides like you had people in last election like pete canones being like these are our elites they're on our side and barry barry weiss being like yeah they're the counter elites no they're not they they dave smith calling them the cool

billionaires yeah i don't think there's anything cool about this shit sorry uh taking us to this end point of transhumanism i mean it basically creates a massive us versus them thing um and you know the way kissinger and schmidt put it they're like eventually uh people won't even be able to cognitively comprehend what's being done to them and how they're being engineered by i.i and by this other class of people that program and maintains the AI and decides what it does to people. And ultimately, a lot of the rhetoric here about, you know, like Nick Land's hyper racism, it's completely indistinguishable from the eugenics of like the Rockefeller crowd and the global government crowd, which obviously Kissinger and co. are parts of, or even some of these old

time Fabian socialist guys like H.G. Wells, the idea of like, you know, the lower classes will become a different species from the upper class. I mean, these people were the really Genesis, you know, back in the early 20th century and 19th century were openly saying this and, you know, they were behind the League of Nations. A lot of them were intimately involved in the creation of the, of the UN. And it's, this is not good. It's something, it's the elites on both sides and this idea that there's these two types of, you know, two classes of elites that are fundamentally different. Now, at the end of the day, they are playing us against ourselves. And some of them play the role of we're elites on this side and we're elites on the other side to help engineer

are the divide and conquer necessary to herd us into this cattle pen that is digital and eventually if we allow ourselves to go in there they have made it very explicit that the the not chosen ones basically will be engineered to be inferior genetically and also with the use of technology like brain chips and all of this transhumanist shit um and oh my god dude it's insane and it's just completely bonkers and it's not conspiracy anymore they're very open about it on both sides but the thing is people don't read what these people write they don't read their books uh they look at sound bites of them on joe rogan's podcast where they're basically like hey i'm a normal guy like you and you know i mean peter teal went and did that and you know and mark andreason went and

did that mark zuckerberg hey fellow kids it's me marky i didn't mean to censor you look at my chain yeah he had youtube come out yesterday google yeah um yeah i'm not demonetized anymore so i don't think we have to worry i think we have at least two weeks where we don't have to worry hell yeah that is frustrating because i got demonetized for talking about climate change and of covid vaccines and yeah i mean i got demonetized for the covid vaccine also on patreon and that's That's – yeah, it sucks so hard because it's like – this is where, again, where like even when you push back on this stuff, like you need to have a lot of empathy and sympathy for people that are good, hardworking people who are stuck using platforms that they don't control, that their livelihood is connected to, where they're like – like they have to play the algo games. They have to do the mouth-open thumbnails. They have to do these things.

And Richard Grieser told me to mention that to you, by the way. Yeah, we're going to make the best thumbnail for this episode. yeah um uh but it's but it's like they have to play those games and it's like like i think your show is like wonderful it's it's one of the few shows in in the space that i like actually regularly check out and and because you have open discourse really all across the board people that you don't necessarily agree with sometimes you have you know and and but you're still at the whim of like if you want to talk about covid vaccines they can fucking pull your money you know your livelihood and you know i i obviously you know a lot of us in the bitcoin

space or have some bit more of of fuck you status where we can be like okay well i can deal with not having it for a week or whatever but some people can't you know and i had that privilege during covid where like i was a semester away from finishing a degree in electrical engineering when covid happened and they were like you got to get a thingy and i was like i'm not i'm not doing that and i was able to just walk away because i had some some money squirreled away uh in this in this weird protocol thing and i was able to just say no but like a lot of people have a family and they worked really hard to do that and they wouldn't be able to say no and that's now happening with like content creation and the livelihood of people online and it's just like

it's it's it's sad and it's scary well it's it's it's ultimately going to go back to that that same coercive mechanism that mark was just describing it may not be covid next time it might be something else but this is how it's going to operate and eventually it'll be like if you don't want to comply with digital id then you can't be banked period or it can be you know infinite number of things. You can't travel, et cetera, if you don't play ball. And, you know, it was the vaccine passport crap during COVID, but that's really just a roadmap for where all of this is going. And I think there was a lot of awareness of that a couple of years ago and it seemingly evaporated, which is unfortunate because if you're aware of where they're trying to take us,

you can plan things to not have to comply. So like, so for example, if you're like one of those people mark mentioned were like you had you felt like you had to get the covid vaccine because you have a family support and you can't you didn't you couldn't lose your job uh do you want to be in that same situation situation again like five to six to ten years later or would you want to structure your life so that you don't have to be that dependent on the whims um of a government or another you know authoritarian entity uh that's you know uh forcing you to make choices you don't want to make and wrecking your individual sovereignty because of whatever reason you know ideally we should all have been spending this time being like they're going to do this

crap again um and how here's how i'm going to set up my life to be independent so that i don't have to uh go through this stuff or or you know these lessons i learned about how this tactic affected my life and how i'm going to be free from it next time i mean that's really what we should have been doing, but there's been constant distractions, um, you know, and the more people are sucked in, I guess, to social media and the online world in this, it's not even a 24 hour news cycle. It's like a two hour news. I mean, it's just crazy. Um, you know, the, the less you are doing, probably I would assume, you know, um, and so it's really important for people to, I think, remember that and look at how can I structure my life and my family's life,

to help us be independent and safe from what's coming because what happens when like i mentioned earlier like a lot of these elites you know they have these transhumanist fantasies not just for them where they're going to live together but for the underclass and what happens when it's like well you know uh if you want to work and have a job and not just have ubi whatever well you you need a brain chip it's demolition man you know all right yeah but i mean i mean maybe it sounds weird but it really shouldn't at this point or maybe it's like you have to you know we'll inject this into you next time if you want to keep your job it could be anything i mean i don't know i i have this issue when talking with like independent media people that uh have you

know a lot of reservations about like bitcoin and digital finance in general because they just sort of throw garlic in holy water and kind of do that you know they're like this is a trojan horse for cbdc or whatever total control and and maybe they read some of our work or looked at the stablecoin warnings or whatever and we're like oh my god this is it but one maybe didn't really grok the nuance of the situation and it's like actually like yes there might be a divided class entirely that comes downstream of the Bitcoin monetization and the dollar play underneath it with stable coins, that's very actually likely and is where I'm personally expecting things to go. That's why I want it to go as slow as possible. I want as many people to get on boarded as possible

to have it safely off boarded on exchanges as possible and all these things that we talk about. But it's like, I can still say bad things could happen from a hyper Bitcoinization world. The faster it happens, we won't really save that many people if the way that it happens now, how many people can really hold their own coins, yada, yada, yada. But they see these warnings and then they take it and they're like, Bitcoin's terrible. Anybody that says anything about Bitcoin is a Fed scammer, pusher guy, blah, blah, blah. They're a spook, blah, blah. And it's like, no, I'm telling you that you need to learn about this so that maybe you don't become in that lower class, because that's probably where this is going to go. Now, there could be good things that come from removing the monopolization of monetary growth, like to this deflationary system that no one can change monetary policy of. That could be an extremely good thing.

And also there could be like, okay, 100,000 people have access to that meaningfully and 7.9 billion people don't. And that's bad. But they take all of the good work and research and things about like, hey, maybe some of the people behind these things aren't so good and look at where this could go. And then they write off the whole thing. and it's like no i won't i don't want you to be a slave i don't want you to be an underclass because you didn't research this technology and maybe it does go to zero i don't know but there's a good chance that it won't and it's a good chance the state's going to use it to debt pardon and in which case you probably want to grab some you know it's the same thing why the precious metals people have been talking about this for years and they were directionally correct but i think technology wise they were probably wrong um although we will see obviously gold is on a hell of a run but i think when that stops and i think things will pivot back into to bitcoin and

maybe some crypto too but i you know why would you ignore this trend it's like saying let's not buy gold before breton woods it's like because they're going to create a new world order with gold why the fuck wouldn't you want to hold gold in your house if they're going to do that you're not participating in the building of the new world order by owning bitcoin even if they use bitcoin and stable coins to create and that you're not it's not the same as buying a stock like a palantir stock where you're like financing the company by buying their equity it's like it's a commodity it's an asset it's not the same thing and like there's a lot of reasons to be apprehensive about a hyper bitcoinized world i think that there are there are also a lot of reasons to be excited

about it but the nuance there is like lost on a lot of people and i just like i hate that otherwise well-intentioned smart people can't like see that you know hey maybe this will be bad for a lot of people but like i want to protect my family and i want to i want to be set up so that i don't get put in that lower class um why wouldn't you consider that why wouldn't you squirrel away five hundred dollars or a thousand dollars if you can in a in a hyper inflating you know dollar world anyway it's like you should really look into it and educate to make the decision for yourself um because i don't want you to be in the fucking yarvin fucking honey bee pod virtualized world thing i don't want anybody to be that i want to i want to go throw a ball with you outside in the

field i don't want you stuck uh in the metaverse you know so like consider ways to make sure you don't get fucking stuck on the metaverse i don't know yeah i don't know what i'm saying but i hope that makes sense i have a couple let's not say number one like i'm highly skeptical that like agis asi is as close as these people are making i agree with that but they're gonna sell it as that i mean they already tried that ex-google guy that was like it's sentient here it is and people are like oh shit it's happening and then he and then it was like oh yeah the doctor the transcript it didn't really happen i mean they can do that whenever they want and here's the thing too is that like in that kissinger one of the kissinger schmidt books about ai they're like either the at

the the development of the ai industry leads to one of two outcomes either it creates a new world religion or uh you know the underclass revolts against the elites and overthrows them what which outcome do you think kissinger and schmidt want yeah well out of that i was gonna say You know, they they want to pretend these open source models to an extent, like obviously they have their own system prompts, but I think that's our our best way to fight back against like the open eyes metas of the world and say, if you don't if you don't think they're going to bring us down a good direction.

I can see what Tony and Mark said at Maple. I've been able to build like using actual end to end encryption to make sure that your conversations with the large language models are private and the data stays on the secure enclaves. That gives me a lot of hope. And if you are paying attention to the cutting-edge models, these open-source models are really catching up. And so it's just making people aware that they exist in the first place

and pushing them to leverage them. Well, even with that, the only thing I would add is that I think it's important for people to not become dependent on any sort of AI algorithm because there's the whole, I mean, I've talked about this for years, if you don't use it, you lose it kind of thing. if we become dependent on ai for a variety of tasks one day you wake up and you can't do that task without the ai anymore and you like need to have it obviously better to be i mean obviously in the case of like open ai and those companies it's a subscription model so you lose the ability

to do that task you are stuck paying them right infinitely to be able to do the thing that you need to do right um but in in general just like at a cognitive level i feel like you know the the people of the world are really under like a multi-pronged attack and a lot of it is a psychological war and like a cognitive war and so it's really important for people to like still be able to use their brain for things that are important and a big part of that is you know being able to discern for yourself um critical thinking and analysis um you know i think a lot of things of course that aren't really taught in u.s schools or really schools anywhere right But I mean, they're essential.

And the more we outsource our thinking to AI, you know, it's problematic. And also, you know, just sort of not preparing yourself to look at the ex-Twitters, you know, for you algorithm and having all this stuff pushed at you, you know, and absorbing it all without having any sort of discernment about why that may be, you know, I think people need to kind of uh consider that they're going into a literal you know battlefield every time they're getting on these platforms and to not be so easily well i'm sure but it's not so not to be so easily influenced by things yeah and to look at a variety of sources and try and discern things from uh yourself and try to avoid all the the rage bait you know and the stuff to get us really like

emotionally upset and angry because i've said this before um on your show marty you know the more upset and agitated and emotional people become the last the less rationally they think right um and the more impulsively uh they do things or say things right and i think it's specifically that's how they want us though all the time and also how they want us again i think as it relates to talking about schmidt and google and ai and how they meet you know you were telling me the other day about the the the like you know google schmidt has said google is a failure in the sense that every time you ask a question and search for something it should give you one answer just one answer like a perfect search engine you get exactly what you're looking for

this whole you know 10 pages of going through trying to find something and all these links like that's a failure in the sense that if they were doing their job perfectly you would ask a question and get the perfect answer the right the right answer right yeah and who determines what's the right answer well it's it's google's ai it's it's it's the algorithm well that's the goal of ai taking the search right for schmidt and presumably for a lot of these guys right i mean google's easily the most important one it kind of doesn't really matter so now a lot of these search engines you know they'll preface with the ai answer and the results will follow but their goal is to not have the results follow right right it's just to have that answer there and i mean a lot of people

are treating ai like it's authoritative like grok is this real uh you know uh but ai hallucinates and doesn't actually think you know it's trained on patterns of data and so it returns you know it's a probabilistic outcome not a deterministic it's like totally and ultimately you know it's the man behind the curtain shit you know even if they are feeding it off of you know sound data uh cache and you know it's it's a fine algorithm once they establish the dominance of single input single output and everybody is getting their information from these things they can swap it out they can come in and and and be like oh well now we control the present and we control the past and we control the future and we control the the answers you get for your

questions we become the front page of the internet we become your only interaction with the internet we become your friend we become your lover we become whatever the fuck ai is becoming with people and and you don't actually know who is controlling these algorithms what the algorithms are how they change what changes them what they're feeding off of and like it's just it's almost an impossible thing to nail down to know exactly what it is that you're interacting with that that won't be changed and your habits your patterns are being built you are learning you are actually the learning model the large language model that is being conditioned by using these things and then you just become a condition to to go towards that for everything that you ever need

and that is scary uh i think in general and i think especially with kids being like yeah having kids using here i can hear matt odell screaming in my my ear right now and i have to bring up but this is like why something like noster exists right because you sign a piece of data an event with a private key that is associated with you at a particular point in time and you basically have that uh it's not on a blockchain but you can like prove sure graphically like this happened at this point in time similarly with what the simple proof team is doing by anchoring um sort of digital record data into the bitcoin blockchain into transactions and basically proving this record existed at this point in time i mean open time stamps is like what do they call it the uh

the dead internet theory where you don't know we are there brother has ever existed it's freaking insane like i have ai impersonator channels they get like hundreds of thousands of views for video they make like ai versions of me that don't even look like me dude it's terrifying are they like photoshop like a hand that's like way bigger than my hand like in front of my face they're coming like what black rock you did they're on the moon what's gonna happen well this is the uh yeah and eventually it's how am i gonna prove that it's like not you need to sign with a private key you need to start yeah yeah she's on there i know you're i know but like i i think thinking optimistically how do we get out of this and that's why whenever we talk i'm extremely optimistic

because i'm following like the front edge of what's happening on bitcoin and now nostre and nostre specifically if you look at some of the clients being built on top of it it's reaching parity with x uh twitch uh substack and like we're getting to the point where you can have a similar experience on nasr that you're having on the the sort of walled garden platform internet with with the major social media platforms that is extremely encouraging the fact that bitcoin's intertwined with that so you can monitor you can produce content prove it was you have it distributed on this distributed protocol that nobody can control and then you can monetize it directly via bitcoin and we more people need to be aware of this they need to be focused on it and

going back to like the whole divide conquer hegelian dialectic like again i got riled up immediately after the charlie kirk thing but the week almost two weeks since it's like very obvious that they're trying to gin up this division it's like don't focus on that focus on the solutions like bitcoin noster open source ai and educating people about this and this is a good this is a the perfect segue into what we're working on right now which we haven't even really talked about anywhere yet yeah we can funnily plug it now yeah but we're hoping to be on the i guess the front edge of independent media by uh going back into physical media a little bit which is pretty uh uncommon uh in the independent media space because what better way to know that it's

really us and not a nice lock yeah uh then literally hold it in uh hold it in your hand so uh we're uh making a magazine yeah we're starting uh a magazine and a publishing house uh with our good friend baza who i worked with uh on the print magazine at at bitcoin magazine and uh we got a couple books in the canon yeah the first magazine uh that we're gonna be having is called the technocratic dark state it's by ian davis who of course you know marty he's the man um and a lot of the stuff uh that i uh brought up today you know i learned from him about you know curtis yarvin nick land um you know and a lot of that philosophy it's in that book it's uh almost done reading it so far incredible as is the case with ian's work pretty much across the

board it's top notch so yeah um yeah excited magazine gonna be called uh well you know of course anything could happen but uh we are going to be calling it uh paper cut publishing house and the magazine will be called the paper cut nice um yes so uh slow content for fast times we're trying we were like we literally like got cameras or like let's do a video show let's go do what everyone is doing and then we like kind of thought about it for a minute and we were like no one else does long form stuff maybe we should just do long form stuff i feel like the only people that really do regular like long form journalism i mean obviously our output is slower but it's like it's very rare most people do like short punchy things trying to be as timely as

possible what is everyone talking about i'm going to talk about that well it's okay because it needs to happen we need it we need people like you we need the rage like we need it yeah it's important too but we were you know that's not what unlimited hangout is and so did we really want to change and do what everyone else is doing or is is an entity like that needed so yeah we're gonna do some old school stuff i mean maybe next year we'll do a video show like everyone else i don't know but i think it'd be well received if you did it's not a knock on video shows at all because it's like video is extremely important it's how most people take in information I just watched this amazing documentary by Elephant Graveyard about the Austin comedy scene.

I don't know. Did you see that? You should check it out. It's really good. And I like a lot of those people. And I think the Austin comedy scene is very interesting. But it's so good. Highly recommend checking that out.

Let's talk about the hierarchy, everybody. Yeah, basically like the sumacra being created by like the Kill Tony sphere in the Joe Rogan sphere. and then him in the tech bro sphere and how they have basically co-opted comedy to defang one of the only uh meaningful ways to cut through kind of like state propaganda um by like normalizing the tech bros and i i don't want to ruin it but it's incredibly good that guy is is a genius it was incredibly funny and really well made adam curtis what you know there's people that make amazing long form and not really good shows like video video content is important but we're not video people yeah i'm balding i got like skin stuff like i don't you don't want me i got a

i got a face for radio uh more so a face for books you know i got a i got a a body for long form journalism so i should lean into that and do that um and obviously like you know when he's the the best of the best in that and i'm just happy to be here but the i think it's going to be really good and it will just be a nice like uh companion to everything that's going on online like we need we need that too and we also need this stuff but i don't think anyone's really doing what i mentioned earlier too you know there's this effort to use social media and ai to try and dumb us down so an important way to hedge against that is how do i keep myself from being dumbed down so i think it's important for people to read even if you don't want to read our books or our magazine reading

physical stuff is good for you there are literally studies that say this is good so i mean you should uh you know really consider that and you know if it's a mental war it's a cognitive or at least part of the battle is cognitive and mental you know how do you uh build yourself up to fight in that war you know yeah and obviously we were just extremely lucky to be friends with baza who uh you know is just you know she did the cover for my book she's just did all the amazing physical print magazines for bitcoin magazine for for a few years now and i just say she's a bona fide genius and and and really likes doing physical media knows how to use printers and do the pantones and you know has the perfect skill set and is such a savage and and a genius and it's

just it was it just made a lot of sense you know it's like i don't think maybe we would be thinking that if we didn't have someone on our side that could kick so much ass at it and be able to do it bring her skill set that's like a lost art quite literally um you know and it's so it's a perfect um you know uh companionship there so obviously just hats off to her i want to make sure she gets she gets due but we haven't done anything yet that much so no hats off yet but you know it's coming uh and we're excited to really talk about it here first more or less so well i can't wait to subscribe i'll say that um thanks bernie i've been trying to read now i've noticed this as well um getting dumbed down by the algo trying to read more long form um so i've been reading

more books i got the daylight computer trying to read books on that nice kindle and yeah it is i mean i mean it's really important you know we have people that are like well yeah i see that you wrote this piece but um can you like reduce it to one sentence please when when video pod about it or they'll be like grok make me a summary of this article so i don't have to read it and it's like well i mean that's what they want you to do yeah and sometimes they won't even they'll be like this is too conspiratorial to break down it's like why why but you know it's like eventually okay what if the ai run by these big tech companies that the owners have a lot of overlap with the national security state for example um and are arguably fused with them

so what happens okay maybe it's giving you accurate summaries now but then you get dependent on asking it for everything and then what happens when they they could easily flip a switch and then it's just whatever they want you to believe and would you know the difference after that point yeah yeah well on that i mean it would be remiss of me too before we wrap up here it's like just talk about the whole epstein stuff we've been covering it for five years oh man yeah it's getting swept under the rug yeah now it is yeah now i mean now it's very inconvenient it was very convenient on the campaign trail wasn't it what was it and then they had binders they were shown what was in the binders it was documents that had already basically come out

and had already been publicly available but it created they tried to create the impression that it was new and but i mean they bungled that hard and all the 180s very that's my question are they worried like to your point about occupy wall street that really scared them when it comes to the epstein files and now with the covid vaccine particularly i think there was a lot of momentum positive momentum towards getting accountability or holding the people who trust that vaccine on the populace accountable and who knows maybe there still will be accountability um as in regards to covid vaccine but obviously the charlie kirk thing happened a couple days after the maha hearings where all this stuff was being brought up and the study by kevin mccernan and jessica rose that

proved that there's sv40 and dna fragments and the and the pfizer vaccine specifically got basically presented as evidence to capitol hill and then boom charlie kirk happens and it all goes away like i feel like also the epstein list got wrapped up in that go away thing after the kirk assassination too even though one of the things that that he was pushing for also was a release of the documents right so yeah um but i don't know i mean now a lot of people in the administration are being like the last thing charlie kirk told me that he wanted me to do is send the national guard to chicago and the last thing he told me before he died was dismantle the radical left even though i thought his whole thing was to debate and beat the radical left

through debate and discourse um so i think people again like we brought up earlier just kind of taking advantage of the situation. And a lot of things are being swept under the rug, unfortunately. And yeah, I mean, ultimately what they don't want is us to go back to us versus the oligarchy and working together. And it's all about division. And the more that they can drive that home, they will. And I feel like, you know, as the base and the public start to sort of do that coming together they're they're throwing some event at us that fragments us back into polarization so i don't think the kirk assassination is just going to be um you know a one and done thing in the sense that i think you know there could be some other event to bring back

that strategy of tension-esque feeling um so that they can uh either sweep things under the rug that are inconvenient like the epstein case um you know because i mean i don't know it's just so crazy that um there was all this momentum for that and now it's like well it's a democrat hoax marty i didn't know if you knew that um it was it's all very odd um it's all a distraction from what we really should be doing which is falling in love and and having a and getting pregnant and eating as much tylenol as possible while you're pregnant and creating a whole generation of autists to that are really good at magic the gathering exactly and push back against this panopticon regime because what else can we do other than that i mean that was like to your point earlier about

people on the extreme left and extreme right being driven to look like crazy people i was like there's plenty of crazy people on both sides right and all the women just chugging time but the social media algorithm makes you think you're like literally surrounded by those people in your own house yeah you know no um and if you go out and meet regular people you'll find you have a lot more in common with them than the pregnant women on on tiktok uh chugging bottles of tylenol totally yeah you know or you know the other side of the spectrum extreme of that you know the people that after the kirk assassination were like trump now is the time to seize power and dismantle democracy you must do it right now thanks sam hi well those

people aren't even real like that isn't necessarily their opinions either it's like they're also like influencers that are playing to the algos no but so are the pregnant people of course i mean that's what i mean on on it's an emotional reaction i'm gonna push against this because i'm angry and pissed off but i don't really know why and so i'm just gonna be a reactionary and if i go publish something and then i'll get some likes and i'll feel better or this or maybe monetize it or i mean it's and then you see people doing that and then you're influenced by people doing that it's like the whole like people like photoshop like you know paris hilton era like body dysmorphia or whatever where it's like they're like already unbelievably thin and then

photoshopping them to be even that and then people are seeing that and being influenced by that and then they're living like that and it creates this like down it's turtles all the way down of just like manufactured like insanity you know and that's not reality it's hyper reality and that is what we're like getting fed we're not getting fed reality we're getting fed hyper to bring up the kissinger schmidt thing one one last time uh kissinger who's like one of the most evil globalist turds to like probably ever exist was like the revolutionary well one of them you know there's a whole gaggle of them um but he basically uh was like yeah ai is the revolutionary potential of ai is in its uh use as a tool of perception and how it can like alter the perception of the

masses at scale um and you know if you are able to alter a lot of people's perceptions about a particular event you can change that event right so um you can also change how people behave i mean that's the it's the easiest way to influence human behavior too um so it's not mk ultra mind control necessarily but it's a way of getting p of controlling people and controlling human behavior not that we're trying to control human behavior but we've been using video generation to tell stories that have never been told before yeah and you've been doing very well with them i mean that that's yeah again silver lining like you can use these tools to combat this stuff too like yeah yeah but at the same time like i said earlier you have to mentally

propel your prepare yourself not just to use them but consume them um and so you know people need to be able to distinguish between um you know you just i mean it's important to use all the tools that are yeah right but it's important to be able to use all the tools at our disposal uh to fight this war we also don't want to fall victim to the stuff that they're trying to us to entrap us in right either so it's a fine line to walk but you have to be mentally prepared about it it's like being like i have a i'm a blue check you know shout out matt you know blue check on twitter fighting the globalists blah blah blah it's like tweeting 55 times a day online 24 7 live streaming on spaces it's like you're exact you're the globalist wet dream bro like what do you i don't

mean you i mean just like you know someone doing that it's like well like yes there is something there is ground to be gained by being in the you know like when noster was kind of first kicking off and you know i am on there but not with my real name but i remember kind of being like but x is still or twitter is still the battleground and that's kind of where the discourse is still happening and i think that's starting and now i think it's like it's just we are sort of unfortunately in the dead internet shit i mean it's just bots it's terrible discourse you're getting fed crap i never see my friends shit anymore it's an ai company ai is overtly taking over the algorithm in like a month's time or something it's gonna get weird yeah they're

gonna be like look at our anime waifu chat bot that's grok yeah that i like i do like it's like elon's like go up go you need we need to have more kids and it's like this anime that's gonna suck you into the universe it's uh yeah but at the other side of his mouth elon's like the population is declining you know and then he's like here have the have the sex chat bots so you don't reproduce yeah um who is doing uh who do you guys look to right now it's building out there projects that are being worked on outside of bitcoin nost or anything we discuss anything we haven't discussed that you like you think we should be paying attention to well our publishing companies

um so unfortunately i'll let uh i guess maybe mark enough stuff i don't but you know basically i mean all i really know is like at a personal level you know uh my house is now off grid 100 very cool because where i live the power companies are up to no good they are screwing people uh just like raising rates 300 with like no justification people are really freaked out about how they're going to pay their power bills. And I think that's something that's happening in the US too. I think it's just going to, you know, probably be happening at a global scale. And it's important to be as independent as you can off of the system. So, you know, I know other people here that have done that and are doing that. I know people that are, you know, expatting

to Chile, where I live, trying to develop an affordable homestead because you can get clean water and a nice size property for pretty cheap down here, um, and trying to build a better life for, uh, you know, them and their family and build community down here. There's Chileans doing that. There's Chileans and expats doing that together. Um, you know, so I only really know about that on a personal level. And I know obviously of people in the, in the States that are also trying to do those things, um, up there, but obviously, you know, it can take a lot more capital to do it up in the U.S. just because of property prices and things like that and how different it is. But ultimately, you know, I think those are the things that anything that contributes to

people being more resilient at the family level and then in the neighborhood level. You know, I've always said for a long time we have to focus as locally as as we can to prepare ourselves for what they're going to try and thrust upon us to hurt us into these digital corrals. So how to not be i mean we should be focusing as much as possible on how to not be hurted uh basically and that necessitates networks of local resilience right um so you know that's basically you know what i've been uh trying to focus on and uh restarting my garden and all of that kind of stuff um so but obviously you know that's me focusing on the local trying to you know practice what i preach um but i'm i'm sure there's you know a lot of other good stuff going on that i'm just

not super plugged into because i'm trying to be less plugged in i guess in general um because i also have you know three tiny people to take care of and uh focus a lot of my time on them too instead of the you know everything everything going on yeah i guess i was telling you before we hit record i moved back home to be closer to family three little people to take care of as well and it's been extremely rewarding and to your point about online is not the real world like you can i moved back to the philadelphia area where i was born and raised and famously in the united states the one of the shit lib capitals of the country but but but also but also i don't know my family agrees with my political views sure some people have been sighed by things that have

happened but i i've found that not only my family but in the neighborhood people in the area if you have a conversation and you don't get too aggressive they're typically open to to dialogue 100 i grew up in new england which obviously you know you know philly and new england have their have their history but but northeast like yeah there's shit lib stuff or whatever but i don't know it's a different kind of shit lib like the california shit lib is a little more fucked up than the the northeast shit lib and i can say from having lived in both places and like but i think to your point a you know leaning into family is the way to go um but yeah like go meet your neighbor go talk to your neighbor i mean that's that's like you're gonna find you have so much

more in common with them like discourse is not what we see on on darpa social networks that are fed by darpa algorithms that you know like that's not really discourse it's simulated discourse it's hyper reality like the touch grass meme is a little overdone but like go knock on doors go go meet your neighbors like i don't know they may be crazy they may be awesome they may be crazy awesome they may be all the things and and and that's just like it's it's trite it sounds stupid it sounds so like cliche but like those are the people that are going to be around you and near you when if shit goes down and you need to build relationships with them like the whole idea of decentralizing and all this shit we talk about like what if you need a a a cup of sugar you know

like you go to your uh your neighbor you know we need to be able to bring back barter and all these things that doesn't that doesn't happen from being on instagram you know it happens from going and meeting the people in your at your farmer's market or this or whatever and i don't know all the things when he said to getting yourself ready to take care of your neighbors if something gets fucked up have chickens have a garden have a well have solar whatever it is so that you can help your neighbors when when shit goes down but you have to meet them and know them and be prepared yourself for any of that to happen because like the covet era was all about getting us locked in our homes and like not talking to other people and and now they want us to just talk to ai about

everything and have conversations with ai and not with real people so build it like mark said building real connections is super important and what they don't want you to do yeah and get into group chats not posting on the timeline go go get discourse going and brewing with the boys and the gals and and and that's that's to me what the social media stuff is from like i've met so many important people in my life just because of twitter like i'm not going to say that like i got my job because of twitter a lot of these things i found my community during covid because of it and a lot of other way more important things but there's also all the things that we've said in this last two hours or whatever is also all true so you know nurture the relationships you can

from these things but don't get caught up in them don't let them use you use them and i think the best way to do that is like understand it's about connecting with the people go see them go meet them go go talk with them on another platform go figure out other ways so that if your you know group chat gets blown up you can still talk to them on another thing or whatever and forge real relationships that aren't reliant on centralized algorithms and centralized platforms and so you can have resilient relationships at the local and international level yeah and the last thing i'll say because i forgot to mention earlier go watch hyper normalization like this whole al-qaeda guy thing uh yeah that's right it's like the reverse gaddafi storyline yeah and hyper yeah totally

totally but like i said earlier they repeat the same tactics and crap all the time yeah yeah so the more you learn about how they've done this in the past the more you'll be able to recognize how they're doing the same crap now like they're not creative yeah focus on the qaddafi storyline and hyper normalization then compare it to the al-qaeda guy that's going on right now it's like very very similar yeah it's it's bonkers but it's very disturbing um oh man well i probably have to go uh yeah pick up one of my tiny people from school here in a little bit but it's been great catching up marty hopefully we won't have to wait 10 and a half months to do it again well i will i will wait patiently if it does good luck to the both of you with paper cut um thanks marty

yeah thanks brother and we'll uh we'll do it again absolutely all right cheers everybody thanks for having us thank you for listening to this episode of tftc if you've made it this far i imagine you got some value out of the episode if so please share it far and wide with your friends and family we're looking to get the word out there also wherever you're listening whether that's youtube apple spotify make sure you like and subscribe to the show and if you can leave a rating on the podcasting platforms that goes a long way last but not least if you want to get these episodes a day early and ad free make sure you download the fountain podcasting app and go to fountain.fm to find that five dollars a month get you every episode a day early ad free helps

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