TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #701: The New Monroe Doctrine Is Here with Mel Mattison

Episode Date: January 7, 2026

Marty sits down with Mel Mattison to discuss the Trump administration's move on Venezuela and its implications for securing Western hemisphere resources, the end of the rules-based international order, and why Bitcoin and gold are positioned to thrive as neutral reserve assets in a multipolar world. Mel on Twitter: https://x.com/MelMattison1 Quoz: https://www.melmattison.com/quoz STACK SATS hat: https://tftcmerch.io/ Our newsletter: https://www.tftc.io/bitcoin-brief/ TFTC Elite (Ad-free & Discord): https://www.tftc.io/#/portal/signup/ Discord: https://discord.gg/VJ2dABShBz Opportunity Cost Extension: https://www.opportunitycost.app/ Shoutout to our sponsors: Bitkey https://bit.ly/4pOv2L4 Unchained https://unchained.com/tftc/ SLNT https://slnt.com/tftc Salt of the Earth: [https://drinksote.com/tftc](https://drinksote.com/) Join the TFTC Movement: Main YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TFTC21/videos Clips YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUQcW3jxfQfEUS8kqR5pJtQ Website https://tftc.io/ Newsletter [tftc.io/bitcoin-brief/](http://tftc.io/bitcoin-brief/) Twitter https://twitter.com/tftc21 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/tftc.io/ Nostr https://primal.net/tftc Follow Marty Bent: Twitter https://twitter.com/martybent Nostr https://primal.net/martybent Newsletter https://tftc.io/martys-bent/ Podcast https://www.tftc.io/tag/podcasts/

you've had a dynamic where money's become freer than free if you talk about a fed just gone nuts all all the central banks going nuts so it's all acting like safe haven i believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency bitcoin wins in the world of fiat currencies bitcoin is the victor i mean that's part of the bull case for bitcoin if you're not paying attention you probably should be addison we meet again for a look forward in the year that is 2026 great to have you back sir great to be back i've been really looking forward to this one i have as well especially uh after the weekend we wanted to record this uh before christmas or

between christmas and new years but you were uh on a trip and sometimes destiny just works out in certain ways we have a lot more to talk about today i would i would imagine than we did a week ago or two weeks ago even and that is because of the events happening in venezuela over uh the weekend and into this week the trump administration going in for our mission taking out um maduro and basically waving the flag we there is a new monroe doctrine we're going to own the western hemisphere and i think my favorite meme that's coming out of this is that what is international or rules-based order what is international law it doesn't even exist exactly i mean that's absolutely right um i think the rules-based order was

essentially a scam put in place you know by the united states post-world war ii to give a structure to enforce what we wanted um that started to fall apart so we're no longer enforcing it so it basically means nothing i think even if you go back to a lot of people talking about de-dollarization right now and this just incentivizes people um my take and and i think the consensus take is like what really accelerated it was the seizing of Russian assets post the Ukrainian invasion. My take is that those Russian assets would have never been seized if the powers that be didn't recognize that this whole de-dollarization thing was already in play. And the reason it didn't happen before 2022 is because there was still this sense that the dollar, the post-Brettonwoods

you know system could work i think by 2022 the powers that be realized it couldn't work and so it's like what the hell let's seize the russian assets uh these countries the bricks everybody they're like the game the jig is up on that the trains left the station um you're not going to accelerate de-dollarization by this stuff like that that that kind of modus operandi is in effect at as high of a volume as I think the powers that be in places like China and Russia feel comfortable with because they don't want to scare or flood the market and then, you know, ruin their own asset value. So I think they're already moving as quickly as possible. So I don't think this speeds it up. I don't think the Russia seizure speeded it up. I think it was

in place. And the reason we seized the Russia assets was because it was the de-dollarization play, that was already done. And the rules-based order is done. All this is done. We're in a multipolar world now with three great powers. And the decisions that need to be made need to be made based on national security, national interest, economic stability. I mean, these are the driving forces. And that is, to me, what led to this weekend's activities. yeah and it was really interesting to see what happened in venezuela over the weekend particularly after the national security strategy was released last month and the nss is something that i never really paid attention to but enough people were making noise about it that i read the whole thing

and it made a lot of sense to me let's get away from these forever wars in faraway lands across the oceans it's focused on the western hemisphere and create economic partnerships with people throughout central and south america and then economic partnerships with people abroad where it makes sense but we really want to bring it home and i was actually at an event in dallas last month with a high-ranking ex-military official who was saying ah he was like hand waving at it like don't worry nobody takes these national security strategies seriously or they're never really implemented in the way in which they're sort of written but here we go less than a month or two months after they released their national security strategy and it seems like

they're trying to implement it a new munro doctrine the don roe doctrine as donald trump was calling earlier this week yeah i i think even like taking a step back and looking at it broader it actually goes back to exactly what we talked about a year ago when we were sitting here post-election prior inauguration and i was saying like raise cash buy puts because i think the market's underestimating how bold and kind of unconventional trump will be and and he's going to do some things i called it my sour cream and salsa philosophy that he had some negative things that would cool the economy that he wanted to do um and also that he was going to do things that people that thought trump 2.0 is going to be more or less a revamp of trump 1.0 we're not reading the room that this

this guy and and these are not like political things like i'm i'm not a big fan of trump i'm not a hater of trump i just want to read the room and try to see where markets and things are going and i think what people misread about him was like this guy really sees in his head that he is a historical figure. I mean, I think Newt Gingrich said something about him being the third greatest president from a historical perspective after Washington and Lincoln, and Trump didn't like that. That's the type of ego we are dealing with. And if you think that somebody with that type of an ego is not willing to push things to places that people don't expect, you're not reading the room. I think this guy is even going to get bolder. Last year, I said, look, he's going to

do some bold things that are going to freak people out, and there's going to be market turmoil in the first half, but it's going to be a buying opportunity. I actually think the exact opposite is at play right now. I think we had three months of basically nothing in equity markets. You can go back to October. We're basically where we were on the S&P. Bitcoin's been disastrous in the last three months i i messed up that call because i was totally bullish when it got around 98 i was like we're gonna bounce from here um but i i think what's happened is people have now pulled back and what they're doing is they were a little afraid because of what happened in the last three months and they're not seeing what's going to happen in the next six months and that while

last year there were people including like tom lee who were like very bullish on 2025 great first half but watch out for the second half i was saying actually watch out for the first half we're going to have you know a great second half or and i think the opposite is true this year where a lot of people are like 2026 is going to be a great year but be careful in the first half but then in the second half things are gonna do better i i'm actually worried about the second half as we get closer to the midterms i think this first half and i think everything that's been happening in just the first two trading days of the year are supporting this, is that this first and second quarter of this year are going to be incredible. I think crypto is going

to be amazing. I think Bitcoin is going to be an outperformed gold this year. I mean, we're getting ahead of ourselves with some of these predictions, but I think there's a foundational basis for it that is rooted in what is happening right now globally, geopolitically. And it has to do with the fact that people are starting to realize the rules of the game are being slightly rewritten and while there's high risk involved in this if it kind of threads the needle and i always talked about there's this needle to thread things can work out in a pretty positive way and so far i think they are and i think there's a lot of people that are just doom and gloomers out there i'm always the ex doom and gloomer i'm like be optimistic at the end of our last call even

given everything that happened i i looked at the transcript yesterday i'm like what did i say at the end of the last call i'm like well we'll probably be sitting here in three months and the s&p will be somewhere around 68 6900 and you know up you know four or five percent from where it was when we did our last call and there'll be volatility and sure enough here we are you know exactly where i said we were so and i i think this is still going to go on and we're climbing this wall of worry people don't want to believe it they don't want to think this is going to work they think we're heading for a disaster they think a financial crash is coming and i think once those people start to capitulate and say oh no this is all figured out that is going to be the big sell

time but i i don't think we're there yet i don't think we're even close well you mentioned a few things there threading the needle he's going to get bolder and i think building on what you just said a lot of our ongoing conversation over the last couple years has been okay if he's going to thread the needle let's think of the positives what can happen let's bring it back to venezuela and just use this example of what happened over the weekend what's continuing to unfold now uh and basically paint the picture of how this can be extremely positive uh for the u.s from an economic perspective from a geopolitical strength perspective and and what it means moving forward for the u.s economy in the western hemisphere yeah i mean i think it makes a lot of sense i

think it's very smart i think it's um an asymmetrical risk that was worth taking i and i think it still has yet to play out so when you take an asymmetrical risk it's like taking a trade you're like you know buying futures and you're like oh i think we could go down a percent i'll put my stop there but i think we're ready to break out for a five percent move and you're like okay i got a five to one x i think that's the type of trade this was for trump was like look and and i know there's some conspiracies out there that this was actually all pre-arranged um with maduro and he wanted a escape uh route that would allow him to kind of deny giving into the u.s and they're going to come up with a bunch of uh you know legalities that allow him to get out of there

and or the case gets i i don't know i'm not even getting into all of those but what i do think is that the move to secure the Venezuelan resources was a great move. I don't think that this is anything to do with international law or fentanyl. I think obviously those are smokescreens. I think this is the realization that Venezuela has probably the greatest concentration of natural resources in our hemisphere and perhaps one of the greatest on the entire planet. and that russia and china were worming their way in to be in control of those resources and that allowing that to happen would be akin to allowing russia to dominate critical minerals that it's like shame on me once you know like fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me

and i think we watch china go around the world and dominate critical minerals and then put us over a barrel when they needed to and we said they're getting ready to go into venezuela and get their hands on that and in you know these shale reserves in the permian like you can look at them like they just they're they're going down um the the the roi you need Like if there's a Permian Basin hole opened up and you put all that money in, like the marginal cost to pump it out is like $10, $15 a barrel. So nobody's going to shut down and open, you know, fracking well right now. But at the price of oil, there's not much incentive to open up a bunch of new fracking opportunities because you need like $60 a barrel to break even. So and that's been going down. And, you know, there is a great piece that got like three and a half million views from Sky News that basically just spelled out the different types of crude, the light, the medium, the heavy, and talked about how, you know, these fracking wells produce light crude.

Light crude comes out of the ground almost clear, almost like a smoothie in some cases. And they have pictures on it on this if you want to see it. But basically, it's not the heavy crude. And a lot of people, they're talking about two things. Number one, they're saying Venezuela doesn't have the reserves they claim to have. So they're saying those were jacked up post-GFC. I saw an analyst on Bloomberg this morning say Venezuela doesn't really have the reserves they claim to have. They claim 300 billion barrels.

it's more like a hunt only 100 billion like 100 billion is nothing and it's like the u.s known reserves are like 45 billion okay so even if you go and you cut their estimates by you know two thirds you're still at twice all of the u.s reserves even if it's only 100 billion then they say it's well it's a heavy crude well heavy crude is what used to come from places like california when we actually drilled there. And most of our refineries in the US are set up to manufacture heavy crude. So even though we produce more oil every year than we use, we have a huge amount of exports of oil and a huge amount of imports. And what do we do? We export the light crude and we import the heavy crude. There's only three countries in the world with large reserves of

heavy crude, Canada, Russia, and Venezuela. We're kind of tapping out our exports of Canadian heavy crude. We're obviously not importing heavy crude from Russia. So there's only one other source of heavy crude out there and it's Venezuela. And that's what we need for our refineries. And you can't just, you know, flip a switch in a refinery and say, okay, so if we need heavy crude, like that's what we need is heavy crude, the exact type of oil that's there. They've got a hundred billion barrels at the lowest estimate I've ever heard. And at the highest, it's over 300 billion barrels, which is six plus times the U.S. reserves. They've got massive amounts of gold. They've got critical minerals that we also need. And so I think what the Trump administration did was they

said, look, we've got the perfect smoke screen, the fentanyl, the Maduro's already indicted, enough of this stuff of going to the Middle East. Venezuela has more reserves than Iran and Iraq combined we're going to secure these reserves here this is going to be a total um resource grab um not make apologies for it um i don't think trump made apologies for it i think then on sunday when people like rubio went on the shows they tried to make apologies for it but i think trump was pretty clear on saturday in that press conference like this is basically about the oil yeah and i think people i don't even know if they forget i don't even think they even understand from first principles before chavez took over 26 years ago i mean what was exxon

chevron bp essentially built the oil and gas infrastructure within venezuela and there was this beautiful symbiotic relationship between western ong companies and the country of venezuela and as you mentioned we have these refineries in the gulf of america that can refine this heavy crude and i think it's a win-win-win for everybody around not only americans but venezuelans as well they're able to get their dictator out of office and again like you said it's early days who knows how it's going to play out but i think we should try to be optimistic like hopefully there can be um an incredibly positive outcome from this in terms of venezuelans getting their freedom back and reinvigorating that market around the oil and gas industry

specifically and then so that's the economic side then you have the geopolitical side where you basically show up show up in force and say hey china russia this is our part of the world we're we're taking control we're gonna own this relationship with venezuela and so you curb that you lock down those sea lanes and then the economics plays into the geopolitical as well because if you're able to refine and use that crude and keep oil prices relatively low that's a huge bargaining chip with russia on the geopolitical stage yeah exactly and i think i mean for me there's like a couple things i don't like like i i don't like trying to nitpick you know international law and these things i think you know as i mentioned in the

beginning we're kind of beyond that but i i also think like yes there are some positive side effects of this for the venezuelan people and different things but at the end of the day i think even if there weren't it still is a good idea because i think you have to kind of look at the world differently than say 2005 when the u.s was like a dominant unipolar like there's now kind of teams right and it's kind of like i think this is a great win for like our team like the kind of western european japan certain countries south america like and i think it was important enough that it deserved the risk and i think that this amount of resources and and this oil if we can secure it and i think there's still a lot of ifs in there and i think you know it's still to be

determined whether or not this big asymmetrical bet is going to pay off i don't like um rah-rah stuff i don't like oh the u.s military is invincible and where we can do whatever we want There are limits to military power, even though I think we have the greatest military, there are limits. So we've seen that in Iraq and Afghanistan. So this is not a fait accompli done deal that this is going to work out well. It's still extremely early. But I think the broad strategic viewpoint is more of like, look, we have adversaries

around the world that are clearly grabbing resources. China, the Belt and Road Initiative, what they're doing in Africa, what they've been attempting to do in South America. we also still have an economy that is very dependent on petro products um i think in the long run it makes sense to get away from those not necessarily for environmental reasons but for independence reasons it would be great if we could power everything in america from nuclear and solar and wind not necessarily to save the planet although that could be a great side benefit but just because we don't want to keep having to go into the middle east or needing to do these things

venezuela like ideally in an ideal world this would be it'd be like whatever people want to do in south america let them do but unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world we live in the real world and this real world is still very dependent upon energy and the u.s shale boom is not likely to continue it's not likely to continue to grow and in fact it might even begin to decline and we had a kind of regular oil boom um when with the rockefeller era and everything and we became dominant in it and then that declined and we wound up in the 1970s we wound up in uh stagflation we wound up with gas lines we wound up in a big heap of trouble basically in a horrible decade and economically and i think what people are looking at in the deep state

and i think trump might even be like kind of more like about the fentanyl and the drugs things than people realize but i think there's also people in the cia and the deep state and the nsa that are saying hey these resources are important like we we need to if not you know get control of them we need to at least stop them falling into the total control of china and russia which is what was happening. I mean, that is basically what's been going on. I didn't mention this before, but like, you know, my wife's family is originally from Colombia, but a number of her sisters wound up moving to Venezuela in the 60s. And my wife has cousins and aunts and people that live in Caracas. My wife's aunt was woken up at 2 a.m. by the bombing. I mean, they're there. They know

what's going on. When my wife heard the news, I mean, she came downstairs like it was Christmas morning. I mean, Venezuelans and people in that region are very, very happy about this, and that's a great side effect. But I don't even think you need to justify it by that. I think you can justify this by what happens if the entire kind of global economic system begins to collapse. And I think you can justify expansion of the Federal Reserve balance sheet to ridiculous amounts to absorb treasuries. I think you can justify actions like this because we've seen what happens when the world financial system begins to collapse it the biggest one happened in recent memory in the 1930s and it led to the rise of hitler it read it led to world

war ii and i think people that think oh well that's being crazy and you're you're making a bunch of leaps here and i i i honestly don't i think in a way going into venezuela might wind up saving millions of lives in Africa. And it's like, well, how does that happen? Because if we can keep the economic and the world order going in a way that actually gets gas to pumps and banks don't collapse and the system doesn't collapse, you really drastically lower the chances of a World War III, of regional conflicts in places like Africa, because it's always the poorest people who are hit hardest. Then they start starving. Once people start starving, they're So you want to keep this whole system of like 8 billion people somehow getting food, energy, everything they need to survive.

You really want to keep this system going, because if if it breaks down, it's going to be a big disaster. And I'm not talking about like, you know, 5000 people killed. I'm talking about millions. You know, I'm talking about World War Two. I'm talking about like billions of people on the line if the entire world order just collapses into absolute chaos. So freaks, this rip of TFTC was brought to you

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really pleased me was like setting the precedent and i guess this was the second precedent after iran in the summer of like hey we don't need to boots on the ground be in these places for weeks years decades even we can get in and out in four hours and accomplish what we want to which i think is an incredibly strong precedent say hey if trump was able to do this why do we need to going forward if you get another presence like we don't need to get in a forever war if you really want to accomplish this he was able to do it in four hours why can't you yeah it's showing the way they're handling it now is really showing that they learned some lessons um and took them to heart i think you know a lot of people um including my my wife's aunt she's like why is

the u.s kind of talking to this delce rodriguez like she's a total chavista um doesn't like her she's the vice president who took over and it's like the u.s doesn't want to go down there right I mean, yes, on the one hand, we want to help the Venezuelans. We want to turn this into a free market economy and democracy, but that's not the primary goal. Rubio stated as much directly in the news shows this past Sunday. The primary goal is, you know, I think U.S. national energy security, U.S. national interests. Side goals are the narco trafficking stuff.

And then tertiary is like, let's help the Venezuelan people. So I think we want to do that. That's the ultimate goal is like, let's try to get there. but ultimately at this point, it's like, look, if she's willing to keep the military and the state security apparatus in line, but also play ball with us, okay. And I think what we're doing is we're giving her some time to decide what she wants to do. I think if she doesn't play ball, that the U.S. is committed. And I think Donald Trump also said this, if we have to put boots on the ground, we will. So they've learned the lessons. They don't want to do this. And I don't

think it's a good idea to do it but again i like my read on this is that this is such an important strategic move much more important in my opinion than iraq or afghanistan that i think the the decisions has been made at the highest levels that we're willing to take this where we need to take it and hopefully and i think this actually is my base case the people in venezuela will realize that and realize it's few resistance is futile you know to use like a star trek term like like if if we say okay i'm going to be the new maduro and i'm going to give the finger to the u.s and like i don't think the u.s is going to let it die and and i think if they realize that that there is a chance to once again thread this needle without having to put a bunch of marines on the

ground or do that type of operation um which you know is great and i think one of the things one of the worries i have going forward for longer term is just if that does work out like you're starting to get some good results from the trump administration and you have to also guard against good results just like you do if you're a trader you start having a bunch of wins you have to be careful not to start thinking you know everything that's going on i did a little bit of that this year i had such a beginning great beginning of the year i i made some bigger bets than i probably should have around the third quarter um you see this in world history at you know where people have successes they do what people told them is impossible they get away with it hitler did this

people told him don't go into czechoslovakia you're gonna get killed don't go into austria you'll get killed don't go into poland you'll get killed don't go into france you'll get killed he kept doing everything that his advisors and generals told him not to do and it kept working out great eventually he said i'm going into russia right soviet union was their allies in the beginning of world war ii and he said i'm turning on them he got killed napoleon same type of situation so what the trump administration really needs to guard against is getting too cocky and thinking that okay things worked out pretty good in iran so far things working out pretty good here in venezuela uh let's let's do cuba let's do mexico let's do like let's just keep going

and and so i i think there are risks out there like i'm not like oh this is a done deal mark is going to skyrocket like there are risks out there and and that's the wall worry i think markets are going to climb in 2026 is where is this all going and where does trump you know kind of draw the line on what he's able to accomplish yeah because on top of all this you have this tension between domestic and external forces where there's obviously another big headline over the last two weeks is this medicaid fraud being laid bare not only in minnesota but across the country and many people asking why are we even paying taxes if it's becoming abundantly clear that billions tens of billions potentially hundreds of billions maybe trillions over the course of

many years is simply going to to people who aren't working or contributing to the system at all and there is a palpable sort of anger and um a desire for the trump administration to be more strong-willed in terms of their domestic policy immigration specifically yeah i mean we've we've got this i mean we've got so many balls in the air right now i think that that's really what markets are trying to figure out like they're looking at all these things are looking at how do we make sense of the job market and we haven't even talked about ai yet which is obviously huge and and in the background of everything that's going on so it's like how is that affecting the job market how is that affecting the economy how and we're seeing these huge

nominal gdp numbers i think it was like eight percent last quarter um we've got you know almost no employment growth in gp gdp going through the roof earnings going through the roof margins going through the roof um and and people are like they're looking at this and they're like this is not what we've seen before and i this this goes i think all the way back like like i said what we talked about last year is that these are not normal times the we're in an era whether we recognize it or not because maybe we're living through it it's harder to recognize but we're going through a very historic area we're going we're going through an area that you know 50 100 years from now people will look back on and they'll be like this was an extremely transformative time for the world for

the globe um with a lot of ramifications from technology from geopolitics from just everything that's going on and so it's really kind of astounding really when you look at you know market behavior and i i think it's not surprising to me um to see precious metals have the year that they have i've i've long been a big precious metals bull i've always said that's where i started before even i thought about bitcoin i was a big precious metal guy i mean i literally have like you know my hundred ounce bar of silver that i bought for like 1100 bucks which is now like 8 000 you know like precious metals are a big part of my investment philosophy my core position as well as is bitcoin what's happened with bitcoin in the last quarter has been confounding to me

to me it it's like this was a great opportunity but when i look back on it what i think of is that what bitcoin has been responding to in the last three months is bitcoin is not a nasdaq correlated asset bitcoin is not a gold correlated asset asset bitcoin is like a global liquidity correlated asset. And I think there was a pulldown in liquidity in the fourth quarter. I think if you look at the September monthly treasury statement, we actually ran a surplus for the U.S. government. Then we went into the government shutdown, which kept funds at bay. uh we have had we were still running qt until december and i i think you had this global liquidity drain that essentially collapsed high momentum things um you know uh you know the

quantum names the the nuclear names and it kind of quashed crypto and and bitcoin and that's just one of three things that happened the other thing was the october 10th liquidation in crypto which her market makers. And then you kind of have the digestion of some of the things that were perhaps hoped for in the beginning of the year not coming to fruition. The Clarity Act not getting passed, the Strategic Wealth Fund where it was talked about. There was a report that was given to the White House, you know, 90 days after Trump signed the executive order. And it talked about the difficulty to create this strategic wealth fund without congressional approval and how they were going to do things through these like really shady defense uh investment funds and that's what

they've been doing for things like intel so a lot of these things that were expected you know kind of collapsed we had a pull down in global liquidity and when you look at it through that lens it actually bitcoin's response makes sense like it it's not like oh the the four-year cycle is here and then that's what happened or oh bitcoin it's not the real deal it's it's not uh you know digital gold after all and and that story is done and it's it's not even oh it's you know people don't want to get into it because of quantum i think there's a lot of those things out there right now about why did bitcoin not have a good fourth quarter and because it had a great third quarter i mean it was at all time highs in October. So like why, why the last two or three months it hasn't done

good. I think that's why. And I think it makes sense. And I think a lot of those reasons why are changing. And that's why, you know, I'm very bullish on, on Bitcoin. And I don't think that while it's totally possible I'm wrong and it, it makes one more leg lower. I, I just see this as like the year to think about it as last year was a consolidation year and this year it's it's going to have a excellent return i completely agree and i was very bullish going in the last year too obviously with the trump administration coming in the etfs really catching their legs and was a bit disappointed but i always like to zoom out if you zoom out we did a between november 21 and october of last year we did like an 8x it's like okay we can take it's ridiculous i mean

23 and 24 were 100 plus years both of them i mean then you have a six percent down year and people are like oh i'm i'm worried about bitcoin it's like i mean come on i mean i mean but it's good for everybody i mean the markets are this way too the markets give people opportunities like they did in april i mean you could have bought nvidia for 89 a share in 2022 you could have bought meadow for 89 a share um markets give opportunities and the thing is when those times are there to buy is like there's no narrative out there in the zeitgeist that reinforces buying and all the narratives out there are negative and so it's very hard for people to come on especially if they work at like a Morgan Stanley or somewhere and they come on to CNBC or something.

And because all the accepted narratives around Bitcoin, I think, were very negative. I think, frankly, Bitcoin wanted to rally in December, but it didn't because it was a victim of tax loss harvesting. I mean, a couple of big things with that. OK, this was an incredible year for almost all assets. so if you were looking for what can i sell and take a loss on and you were somebody who maybe said oh i want to get in and invest in ibit in my portfolio at you know 108 000 and now bitcoin's at 88 you're like let me sell my ibit and let me harvest that loss and let me offset some of these gains that's real money especially if you're a wealthy person like your net taxes are

like 40%. Like you could have had $100,000 loss in your iBit position and you sell it and you basically make $50,000 in tax loss harvesting. Like it was so blatant that you basically saw the calendar flip and crypto and Bitcoin take off like a rocket ship because there was so much selling going on at the very end of the year. And then you compound onto that the fact that because Bitcoin is not a stock. So I just gave the example of somebody that owned iBit. If you actually own Bitcoin, there's no wash sale rule. So, I mean, if you own NVIDIA and you sell it on December 15th and you buy it back on January 1st, the government says, no, you didn't sell it. It's a wash sale. You didn't wait 30 days. In crypto, there's no wash sale rule. People were

able to literally sell their bitcoin on december 31st and buy it back on january 1st and claim that tax loss like that's that's a market inefficiency that's a tax related inefficiency that is real that was there and when you look at the crypto moves and we're on january 5th and you look at where a bucket of crypto is at um it's up 20 30 percent if you bought things like ada or virtual or arbitron or solana or whatever and bitcoin's up a lot too but a lot of these cryptos are up 10 15 some of them up 30 40 i think virtual protocol which is like an ai-based coin and i never play in these things but i was buying them at the end of the year because i'm like this is the beta like you know these are just short-term trades playing for beta but like and it's it i'm

shocked at how well they have done like it's it's it's ridiculous um and it i mean i don't even know i mean if i even just take a quick look i mean virtual is like ridiculous this is just a a protocol uh it's it's up a percent today it's up year to date uh or the past week i don't know all right that was with me at solana uh virtual is up 10.58 percent today uh this past week 62.9 okay virtual's protocol crypto tradable on robin hood whatever 62 in five days that's insane i mean it's insane i mean some of these crypto moves are ridiculous and i'm a total bitcoin believer i don't believe in these coins for long-term trades like right but i'm also a trader i want to make money and i'm like where's where's some of the beta um

and i mean people want to talk about silver or gold this year virtual's up 61 percent this is january 5th um now is that going to continue i don't know i mean at some point i'm going to take some profits in that thing but right now i'm i'm letting this i mean you look at solana this like 120 level on solana i mean you can go back five years and every time it gets around 120 it starts to bounce um these are like long-term levels um and what this is going to do when you start seeing returns like 62 people that are like oh i was playing all the beta in silver wait a minute i could have been playing this then you start getting that momo going then you start getting the activity on the exchanges this is all financial plumbing right then you start saying oh then then the trend

followers come in and then people of course you know you know there's going to be a moment this year where you know the financial advisors are going to say you know what i've kind of wanted to put my clients into bitcoin but i was a little scared but it went down to 80 something now it's at 98 you know maybe now's the time to put a two percent allocation from my clients into it that we can maybe even leg into it i'll put a one percent alley and this is going to start to build on it and build on it and build on it. And and that's why I think, you know, what I've been saying since the beginning of last year was my next target price for Bitcoin was 150. When we hit 150, I'll reevaluate it. I think we're going to 150 in the first half of the year.

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the monthly and it was 78 last year and we've gone up and down between then but it feels like we made a very strong base over the last three months and then the fundamentals are only getting stronger like what we're talking about with venezuela this multipolar world the rules-based order going out the window and only heightens the demand for the fundamental value prop of bitcoin as this neutral reserve asset that can't be controlled by anybody yeah and and you know i'm i i follow technicals a lot but at the end of the day i've seen them so much that like even when you get all the signs sometimes the market just does something else it just like you can look at it and you you study the rsis and there's a divergence here and you know the the moving averages are

here and the trend lines are here and it's like you know i think you have to overlay the technical i think technicals are very important but you also have to overlay it with the fundamental story and i think as i said i think the fundamental story last year was coming into the year there's all these amazing things that are going to happen some of them happen some of them didn't when some of the amazing ones didn't happen then you layered on this basically liquidity rug pull from a september uh fiscal surplus and the government shut down and um basically the uh kind of let's say profit taking ethos that i think came into the market you know like a lot of people that had gotten into the markets and in april and may saying hey you know i got a great all these things came in

and then all of a sudden you see everything completely flip when the calendar flips and a lot of people will come on and they'll say there's nothing special about a calendar uh you know i say on the one hand they're completely right there's nothing special about a calendar but on the other hand there is like it's kind of both like there are tax things that happen that there are financial plumbing market inefficiencies that happen and i think there's a lot of market inefficiencies going on at the end of 2025 that were keeping the bitcoin price suppressed i think people didn't want to see it go higher i think there was the tax loss selling all these things i think a lot of those just got lifted when the calendar flipped and that's why you're seeing a

completely different reaction now a lot of people will say yeah this is just rebalancing it's the first few days let's see what happens and i would just say i completely agree like it's only been a few days i'm not going to start you know saying that this is a long-term trend um and that's why like i said for some of these uh crypto plays i'll probably be you know taking profits as we reach some of the levels that i'm looking at um you know virtual is around a buck right now i think 114 or something was what i looked at on the technicals where i wanted to take profits but basically like the like these are these are things that are happening um and then you look at gold i put out a post right after venezuela thing happened on saturday like this is variable as

gold equities bitcoin and even bonds and they're all up today and i think a lot of people when this first happened wouldn't have thought that and they might have thought gold would be up but they might not have thought equities or bonds or bitcoin would be up and i think this is part of the long-term strategic plan that trump has in his mind around interest rates and what it has to do with and this actually is very rooted in modern monetary theory which is that the key one of the key drivers of inflation is oil and energy prices and that if you keep oil and energy prices low you open the door for a lot of money printing uh low interest rates all this stuff and i think that even though like there's not going to be a bunch of venezuela oil coming online immediately from

what i've read it might be possible to get a couple hundred two three four hundred thousand barrels a day uh like you know fix some of the broken uh rigs and different things and you can get a little bit but venezuela used to produce four million barrels a day right now they're at under 500 000 to get them back to four million it's going to take years but you can get a little bit of supply on the market immediately and then you put that four million coming online overhang over the market and what you begin to do is you begin to control the energy price and if you control the energy price you kind of can control inflation and if you can control inflation then you open the door for all these other things that i think are going to be necessary including

massive expansion of the federal reserve's balance sheet i think these 40 billion dollar uh t-bill purchases are just the beginning um i think the whole idea of like foreign nations buying treasuries and that's where they go, that's done. And that basically the government is coming up with a plan to allow banks to store treasuries, to allow the Federal Reserve to expand the balance sheet. And really the Federal Reserve balance sheet is extremely, extremely low in regards to their holdings of treasuries historically, if you look at it as percentage of outstanding U.S. treasuries. So if you look at it like, oh, how many treasuries does the Fed hold okay well they were at nine then they went down to like seven and now they're increasing

again well like seven trillion out of a 38 trillion dollar treasury market that percentage is way low way low uh they could have 10 12 trillion on their balance sheet just to get to like a historical norm of percentage of treasuries outstanding that they hold so i think if then the the the consensus opinion is if you do that that's money printing it's massive inflation disaster the thought process in the trump administration is no it's not going to be because of ai deflationary forces oil all of this and then if you look at some of the pundits that are saying well bitcoin is down because it's the greatest smoke detector for liquidity and the liquidity era is over and therefore you know you need to get out of it what i'm saying is the

liquidity area is just beginning and that this this expansion this isn't going to happen in one month or two months it's definitely not going to happen under powell but over time the next one two three years we're going to see liquidity expand massively and that's what's going to be amazing for gold amazing for bitcoin it's going to be good for equities too well building on this i think another sort of needle to thread here is what is the average american consumer citizen how are they handling this as asset prices are screaming and um they're not most aren't participating in it and what if price inflation does manifest and a big topic of last year and one that you were pretty vocal about was tariffs and so i think doing a retrospective on trump's tariff plan has it been

successful it seems like it has been it has been massively successful are they going to lean into it more? And then what does that do to the revenue side or the fiscal side of the equation and the levers they can pull with income tax specifically? Well, I do think probably in the first quarter, that's probably the biggest known risk out there is that the Supreme Court comes out and in some way curtails the tariff policy, which introduces uncertainty. I do think that's holding people back that's part of this wall of worry is there's probably a big group of people, institutional size type buyers that want to get more involved in this market, but they're holding back because of that ruling. And I think what they're hoping for is that that ruling comes out, it curtails

the tariff policies, causes a sell-off. I don't think it's going to be a 20% sell-off like we had in the first quarter of, or actually it was the second quarter of last year, but I don't think that's going to happen but could it be a five or ten percent sell-off which is basically what we had in november we had a five to ten percent sell-off especially on the nasdaq i think it went down almost eight percent from the highs so and that's that's still not at new highs so i think people what people are hoping for is we're going to get a tariff surprise from the supreme not a surprise because actually most but see that's the thing most people are expecting it like so is it really going to be a surprise if the supreme court comes out i i don't know i i think it could be

almost like a two three day thing where like the supreme court comes out knocks down tariffs futures drop three percent they drop another three percent the next day they drop another three percent third day and we're down nine percent highs to lows and on that third day it just you know hits a bottom like it's a total hammer wick and goes down somewhere and starts going up and people are like whoa this wasn't really something to flip out about like you know they're going to figure ways to put on tariffs and in the meantime it's going to actually alleviate some of the uncertainty because now trump can't do what he did last year which is just throw out 50% tariffs on rent. It could actually be a good thing for markets. So I think a lot of these

things that people are worried about, I think they're real things to be worried about that could really cause some issues. But I think a lot of this is noise when you look at it through the perspective of a year. If you're a short-term trader and you're like, oh, I'm going to buy a bunch of QQQ call options because I think earnings are going to be good and the earnings do do well. but then a week before the the big nasdaq earning comes out the supreme court comes out and and rips the trump tariffs and the market you know goes down eight percent like that whole play is not going to work so i think there's a lot of risk that people want to take right now they're not taking it because of that overhang the venezuelan thing was an overhang they knew that

we had this armada out there in the caribbean that seems to be lessening i think that's a lot of the reason why you're seeing a lift today the other big overhang and it's i think bigger than Venezuela is what the Supreme Court says. My gut's telling me that what they're going to say is they're going to try to walk a fine line and they're going to curtail his powers a little bit, but they're going to, within their opinions, give him an opening to continue to use tariffs in almost a unilateral way and that people will recognize, okay, he's going to have to do things maybe a different way, but he's going to be able to do it. And, you know, it could be, like I said, a two three day hiccup that people get freaked out about and then you know the fundamentals get

are the drivers and the fundamentals are strong gdp um earnings going up productivity increasing margins increasing like like that that's what's driving these equity prices and i think the liquidity is going to come in and that's going to continue to drive gold and the bitcoin prices Do you think there's an overhang with the fiscal spending, again, particularly with this fraud being laid bare? I mean, there's some people throwing out stats that if you were to get rid of 50% of the fraud, you could eliminate income taxes for people making under $200,000. Yeah, which I think would be very stimulative, right? Because what you would do then if you got rid of income taxes for people under $200,000 is those are the people that spend the money that they have. And so, you know, like, I just struggle to find a way that this whole card game works out without expansion, right?

I mean, this is essentially the primary basis of Bitcoin, right? It's like the whole world is set up to expand the money supply, to expand it through inflation because the whole economic system is built upon this. and therefore an asset that has a fixed cap that is what it is it can't be printed has real value that will over time increase and and so i think if you're betting that like we're gonna put ourselves into a deflationary cycle um you're you're wrong and i think i think if we get massive deflationary forces which some people are predicting that the response from the federal government and the federal reserve will be to work their damnedest to contradict those deflationary forces which are essentially you know money printing asset purchases all of that and so

look i think it's going to be another year of volatility a lot of volatility probably more even than last year um but i think at the end it's it's going to be a good year unless unless and this is why in my 2026 predictions i didn't give a full year s&p target i said my target is we're going to hit 7700 sometime in the first half of the year that first half is going to be really good i want to see where we're at with that and i'm also a little concerned about like i said the the mid the midterm elections i think um what's going to happen right after that is presidential candidates um coming out and the market could look at some of these people that might start running on rolling back deregulation uh increasing taxes uh more

more of a socialist agenda and i think the market if it anticipates things six to nine months in advance by the time you get to july or august you're going to in six to nine months from there you're going to have a slew of democrats out there talking about you know rolling back everything that trump has tried to do these first two years and so i think the general thought process is like there's a lot of people being held back right now because they're worried about the supreme court ruling um but the republican administration is going to really try to juice things ahead of the midterm so the economy is on complete gangbusters by november i think the economy be will be on complete gangbusters by November. But the market itself is going to start anticipating

that, OK, the midterms are going to be over. We've got these Democratic politicians out here talking about socialist ideas. Maybe we want to rein in the risk a little bit. And and so therefore you see a second half substantial pullback, not just a five or 10, but more of a 10 to 15 or even a 20 percent pullback in the third or fourth quarters so is that incumbent upon democrats taking ground in the house and the senate i think what if um i i think i think if that happens that it's going to probably push the rally even higher i i think i think if if the if things work out really well and even if they don't necessarily um keep the house in the senate But let's just say the Republicans lose the House, but they hang on to the Senate somehow, and it seems like there's a good chance that a lot of these policies are doing so well that the far-left wing of the Democratic Party becomes marginalized.

that maybe the mandami election and inauguration was like a high watermark for far left policies and that the bulk of the american people are seeing this and the prediction markets start saying most likely president next year in 2029 is jd vance um and that these types of policies are can continue then i think you can get things you know rip roaring again and then again this is kind of why i'm kind of hesitant to give a full year prediction because i think number one it doesn't really do any good to give a 12 month prediction if you know right now we're looking at what's going to happen in the next six months and then we can reevaluate it when we get there but i think that seeing how these things shape up that's the this whole venezuela thing collapse on

itself and turn into a big kerfuffle that is horrible and the economy doesn't do what i think is going to do, and the Republicans are going to get killed in November, and it becomes clear that it's almost a guarantee that we're going to have a Democratic president in 2029, and markets start getting worried, well, then I might start getting worried, right? I'm not a permable. I'm not someone that's like, there's no way that things can go down. I think they definitely can. I think if they do, and they're not going to stay down long, but yeah, could there be a 30%, 40% sell-off because of stuff absolutely um but right now i just don't see that in any sort of base case that i'm looking at yeah let's lean into ai too i mean we've mentioned it a couple of times but i i'm sure

you've been using it we've been leaning into it i've been telling people this behind the scenes actually i said it on air on rabbit hole recap uh last week too with matt odell like i like Anthropix Clawed, Opus 4.5, and Clawed Code, it feels like we're getting close to AGI. The stuff that we can build with this, the stuff that we're building with this at TFTC is insane. It's making us extremely productive, allowing us to do much more with very little capex,

for lack of a better term, very little overhead investment in it. And it seems like this could be a massive boon, particularly for people of high agency who are actually willing to play with this stuff and experiment yeah no i i i i don't i don't think it's all hype i mean i think i think it's real and i think i think actually there's a lot more already done it's just a matter of it being absorbed in society i i and a lot of people say the bottlenecks energy no the bottlenecks memory no the bottlenecks commute compute i think

the bottleneck is human nature right now that there's already so much potential out there with ai but when you look at like large organizations like it it you know let's just imagine like your job you work in you know fpna like financial processes and you know and you're you do a monthly report you know closing the books and everything and you you kind of look at it and you're like okay if i really create an agent and i get all the data in there like basically what i spend the last week of every month doing this thing's going to do automatically and then it's kind of like well do i want to do that yes i do do i want to share that do i want to tell people i'm doing like i i think i think there's a lot of stuff happening just with human nature that like

there's all this productivity going on and companies aren't even completely recognizing it because there's a lot of workers that are just used to work 45 hours a week. Now they're working 25 hours a week and they don't want anyone to know about it. And they're like, look, I used to spend 25 hours putting this report together. Now I spend 25 minutes and nobody really knows. And so I'm going to protect that. So I think there's actually so much more potential that's already exists. And then you do have these bottlenecks, but I think that these kind of speed bumps are good like organizations not fully embracing it as much as they can are good eventually they're going to have to because other organizations are startups are going to come along embracing it

but i think there's a lot of speed bumps in the road which is actually a good thing we talked about this on one of our episodes last year where you know people have talked about how you need ai to come along at just the right pace if it comes around too too fast it creates a collapse you know too slow it's not enough productivity i think things are coming along at a good pace i think it's actually a good like it's not taking things over like overnight even though that potential is there but what's happening is if it did take good things over overnight we'd have too high of layoffs um there's also probably not enough compute out there to really get done everything that would need to be done if it was embraced as much as its potential now entails um you have the

power constraints on it and then you also have you know the memory constraints on it which is one of the reasons why one of my predictions of like a sleeper stock was gsit uh gsi technologies which is like an sram company you know like memory is a big bottleneck on this and you've seen the dram companies and the the microns and everything take off and you know um there's ways to do a lot of the ai computing with a lot less power a lot less latency where you have the memory embedded in the chip which is basically sram um you know and i'm not a big technical guy but i i look into this stuff closely enough because i was i started looking into it after nvidia's deal with grok and i was like why are they doing this and what does grok do and what do they have and i think nvidia

recognizes like the gpus are great but there's certain energy that there are certain inference tasks that can be done more efficiently with less power um with sram which is static random access memory instead of dram dynamic and you know i just looked like what's like a sram play with a low market cap um you know that has a potential for like a really big you know 5 10x move basically and i came up with the gi gsi technologies which is like an sram company involved in the aerospace it's only like 158 employees uh it's a 250 million dollar market cap it's trading around six bucks a share and i'm like thinking about it like a call option could definitely go to zero could definitely go to 60 bucks in the next like like let's say some

company wants to buy for two billion you know that's like a you know an 8x move right like Like, it's so small, it's ridiculous at a $250 million thing. And so far this year, it's been doing good. I think it's up 10 or 15% in the first two trading days of the year. But, you know, so there are these things out there that I think AI gives opportunities for. And, you know, there's a lot of risk involved in some of these things. But there's also just this amazing opportunity that AI is presenting. and i do think that it's eventually going to become part and parcel of everything that people

do but i don't think it's going to happen so quick that everything's gonna just collapse yeah i would co-sign that i think the the point that there's a ton of human potential that's untapped right now because human nature is such that they want to protect your your job and not really um shake the cart if you will is definitely out there but there's going to be forces i mean just observing having jumped down the rabbit hole myself trying to teach myself and how am i teaching myself going online and finding zoomers that are just cracked out building a bunch of these agent flows and skill markdown files and just highlighting how they're using it to build products and processes and it seems like there is a portion of the younger generation particularly gen z that

has really latched onto this and see it as a way to actually be successful in the economy since they can't get jobs at regular companies. And I guess that gets to something I think you've been talking about as well as this sort of changing dynamic in the workforce and who's actually going to be successful moving forward. Yeah, I mean, definitely. I think, you know, a good like corollary example of this would be like, you know, Robin Hood came out and they recognized like off of order flow and different things we can actually run a profitable brokerage and because of that we're going to not charge any commissions on equity trades and schwab and everybody's like whoa whoa whoa this this is our cash cow like we could do it too

and make money off of it but they weren't going to rush to do it eventually they had to do it but they didn't rush to do it and i think that's a little bit of the situation with ai right now is people are recognizing, corporations are recognizing, with AI, I could basically get rid of commissions in this, you know, analogy. But they don't want to do it too quick because it's, you know,

either the individual's bread and butter or the corporation's bread and butter. And so there's a lot of slow playing going on. But eventually, market forces went out and eventually Schwab and all the big ones went to zero commissions on equities. And so that's what's going on with AI right now. Everybody knows that this potential is out there.

It's just not happening because there are forces at play that incentivize slow rolling. Yeah. No, it's funny. I've been watching like one of the strategies is kids will just go out, download a massive unicorn B2B SaaS app or something like that and just screen record the UX flow. I'm going to go in and do everything they can and feed it to Claude and say, all right, I want you to make make this app for me. And I'm just going to go out there and undercut the B2B SaaS company while Claude builds this for me in a few days. It's insane what's what's happening out there. It's it's insane. I mean, all this, the visual stuff, the nano banana, the the coding. I mean, Claude, I mean, to be honest with you, like if I could invest in either Anthropic or OpenAI right now, I'd do Anthropic probably.

you know and i'm a little nervous about them and that's probably another risk out there is that i almost i think i said in one of my posts maybe brad uh guesser when uh aldman said you want to sell your shares right now like maybe he should have said yes because like i mean these hyperscalers are a little bit like and this is part of like where i think the market's seeing is like it's now time for ai is helping out like we've got this commodity bull run going on we've got all this other stuff going on and then we're starting to see this disseminate out this this type of margin increasing potential for the other 493 um different areas of the of the global economy and some of these massive hyperscalers have not been doing too well i actually think they're going to

have a good year because a lot of them are not at good places in the charts like meta is not at a good place in the charts as it comes into the year microsoft isn't and so i think that in a way because of where they're they're starting position the mag 7 is probably going to outperform the spy this year but like to me that's not where the beta is that's not where the big gains are going to be it's not in buying meta or microsoft although i think they're going to have great years because of how they're coming into the year i think there's these other plays out there i mentioned GSI Tech, but that's a small one. But I think when you look at some of the bigger companies, like a Capital One Financial, one of their biggest cost items is call centers for customer service.

Like, are they ever going to need to hire anybody again for customer service? And that's one of their biggest expenses. I mean, these things are going to really improve profit margins. So So, I mean, all this stuff that's out there, like I said, I think it's just, it could be happening quicker if there was enough compute, enough power, and not this organizational speed bumps and individual speed bumps. And it's just, it's going to play out and it's going to be, I think, very beneficial in the long run. But it seems to be now playing out at pretty good speed, actually, speed the market likes. After some technical difficulties, you may notice by Mel's new headphones, they're beautiful headphones. But I think I was just asking, it seems like we're in this inflection point where you have all these things intersecting at once, whether it's the reshuffling of the geopolitical order, Bitcoin rising, even though it had a bad year, AI really taking off and feels like we'll be in a transitionary period for at least the next two to three years. But like, what's it look like after that?

What does the economy look like after that? And I think you've been very optimistic in the past and I'm becoming more optimistic personally by the day. I think it's going to look really good on the other side of all this if we can thread these needles. Yeah, I mean, it's it's definitely sometimes kind of hard to see the light before, you know, before the dawn. And I think a lot of times when you kind of look out on that horizon and you see all of the massive issues that are out there. And you can make a very competitive narrative, a very compelling case for why, you know, markets should collapse or, you know, the banking system can no longer continue the way it is. But one thing I've noticed over the last 25 years is you've always been able to make that case. You were able to make that case in 2000.

You were able to make that case in 2009. You were able to make that case in 2020. you worry like there's always this kind of impending doom this wall of worry kind of hanging over markets and then you take a step back and you say well what is this all like is it really just kind of a human construct or is there actually some sort of external constraint on it and there's not really an external constraint there's there's not anybody that says the federal reserve can't hold 15 trillion dollars on their balance sheet there's not anybody that's saying um you can't uh issue you know massive stimulus checks to get the economy going when

there's a global pandemic like there are these exits and i think there's there's a great tendency to underestimate the ability of policymakers um to keep this shell game going and all the incentives for everybody pretty much are to keep the shell game going like is it in china's interest for the united states to have a financial collapse some people might say yes it is but actually it's not like is it is it in the u.s interest for china to collapse some people might say yeah that would be great you know but what happens then you know who take like right now they're a known entity they're reasonable they have they have a nuclear arsenal do we really want them to collapse and have everything go into the hands of some madman i mean no like actually

the whole balance of power and global status quo right now i think it's something we can live with we can live with three great powers we can live with um you know the situation we're in and so i think everybody's incentivized to just keep this thing going and if every single global power is incentivized to keep this thing going why do you think it's all going to collapse is my question the debt spiral a debt spiral it's here yeah the debt spiral yeah we're heading to a debt spiral and nobody's going to be able to get us out of it and they're not going to get together at basel switzerland at the bank for international settlements and all the central bankers are going to be like that's not going to happen they're not going to get together and figure

something out and then on a sunday night come out with this massive stimulus plan that all of a sudden you know we've got the biggest bazooka you've ever seen to buy corporate debt like of course that's going to happen and so why do you think if all those kind of band-aids in the past worked to create a band-aid solution and then keep the status quo going why do you think that now this time is going to be different. This is the time when the Band-Aid solutions aren't going to work. This is the time when it's really going to all come tumbling down. And I think the smart bet is to bet that if we do get into another one of those situations, that the Band-Aid solution they come up with will work for at least another four or five, eight years, and then they'll come

up with another Band-Aid solution the next time there's another risk of system collapse. what do you say to people looking at gold and silver prices right now saying that there's a margin call in the paper markets and the banks are in trouble yeah i i think they're gonna have a great year i mean i love precious metals um i think the dollar like i've said like i think the whole dollarization world and everybody buys treasury i think all that is done and i think the assumption that a lot of people make is if it's done it's going to lead to this collapse, and I don't see that. But I think we're moving to a new world order. We're moving to a non-rules-based order, a multipolar world, something more akin to, say, 1900 than 2000.

We're moving to a situation which, if you look at 1900, it was a gold-based order. And I do think that gold is the central monetary asset of the future, as it was the central monetary asset of the past. That doesn't mean that Bitcoin can't play a role at some point in the future. But I think at this point, and I've made this point before because I know there are certain people that like to say Bitcoin is superior to gold in every way. And I've always maintained there are aspects of gold that are superior to Bitcoin. There are aspects of Bitcoin superior to gold. One of the biggest superior aspects to gold is if you look at things through a central bank perspective is its physicality, its ability to be melted down, no ledger,

no no history of transactions you can get bars from somewhere melt it down create new bars nobody knows where you got it where like there are certain aspects of gold that are benefits and superior to bitcoin for central banks and different um large uh purchasers of gold and that's why they like gold but could they expand to silver could they expand to bitcoin um certainly and i think what Bitcoin offers is right now we have this situation, and I think it was Jordy Visser talking about this in his latest video, where the largest holders of wealth right now are still that baby boomer older generation. And once that wealth transfer begins to happen, the younger generations are much more comfortable with digital assets, and they'll be much more willing to look at Bitcoin

in that fashion. It's not happened yet. I think, in a sense, I think Bitcoin is going through a awkward puberty right now that you know when it was born it had this great growth and it was sustainable and then like a person when you hit puberty you might have a growth spurt you might have a little year where you don't do much and you know all these things that that happen and with bitcoin right now is it's still trying to find out exactly who it is okay it's not exactly digital gold. It's not exactly the NASDAQ. What is it? I think it's becoming its own asset class. And that's a maturation process that is probably going to finish up at the end of the decade. And by the time that happens, I think financial people in the TradFi world will be much more

comfortable with what Bitcoin is. And it becomes even more and more embedded into the way that the economy works. And it's, this is, this is very bullish. It's, it's, it's a $1.8 trillion market cap right now. I mean, all these things are so bullish longer term, but that doesn't mean that every year it's going to go 50%, you know? And, and I think that doesn't mean it's not going to be the best performing asset over the next five or 10 years. I think it will be, but I think it's a matter of this maturation process and people figuring out what is it. And I think it's a liquidity correlated asset. And I think the fact that it's not completely correlated with gold or the NASDAQ or the bond market is huge because anybody that puts together portfolios

knows the most important asset in that portfolio is the one that's least correlated to the other assets. And if Bitcoin can carve out a path where it's got its own correlations, I mean, there's no reason not to put it in every portfolio in the world. And if you do that, it goes from $1.8 trillion to $18 trillion pretty quickly. Well, that's the point I was going to make too. The digital gold meme is good. Bitcoin's scarce, divisible, fungible, all that, and certainly has those properties of gold.

But in terms of digital gold and the aspect of it being used as a central bank or nation-state reserve asset at scale, I don't think it has liquidity profile quite yet. 1.88 trillion is certainly nothing to scoff at but when you're talking about reserves at that level you need tens of trillions hundreds of trillions eventually so we're to your point going to that puberty stage where we got to make that order of magnitude jump to the next liquidity stage and if you look at that and you think okay neutral reserve assets need to have that type of a liquidity profile i think that's why you're seeing gold do what it is like it needs

an even bigger liquidity profile um in my book clause basically gold and silver come in as neutral reserve assets into the central banking system um in 2027 once quantum ai kind of takes over the markets and and the the estimates in my fictional book of where gold needed to be to begin that was 25 000 you know like just looking at how much wealth is there in the world i estimated a quadrillion worth of asset. Um, and I said, how much does gold need to be to account for a quadrillion worth of assets? And I came up with, it needs to be somewhere around a hundred thousand dollars an ounce. I said, that's just too big of a leap. And in my book, the government offers a program where they start buying gold and they offer 25,000 an ounce because they know that it

needs to go to like 100 um i think the the liquidity that's needed for a neutral reserve asset is so huge that people are underestimating what gold can go to um i think that bitcoin as it begins to play a role in this you know non-cash flow related neutral asset game it doesn't need to like it's still relatively small i mean nvidia's market cap is more than twice as much of all the bitcoin in the world like it it needs to get a lot bigger than it is it will um but i think like i said it's in a puberty stage right now it's growing and it's going to have a growth spurt at some point and when it does it's going to skyrocket to 5 10 trillion and people are going to be like oh wow i need that like this is i think all going to

happen it's just not necessarily happening out as fast or as quickly as people hoped and all i have to do is look no further than that bar of silver on my desk and say i bought that thing 20 years ago for 11 an ounce it was at i watched it skyrocket to 50 an ounce in 2011 and then i watched it go right back to $11 an ounce in 2020 and now it's at $80 like assets don't always move at the rates that we want them to and i'm sure everybody would love to see bitcoin go to 500,000 next year but i just don't think that's going to happen all right we've covered a lot what haven't we covered in preparation for 2026 that you think people should be on the lookout for i i think we covered it all i mean i think my main thing is like don't be too bearish now

because of the supreme court thing and the geopolitical stuff because the time to make money is when there's that wall of worry once everybody if they hit that point like they did this past year rick reader came out best investment environment ever um john paul Tudor Jones. We're in the beginning stages of a bubble. Once those people started coming out and people believed the market could do nothing but go up, that's when it went down. And I think people right now, they're out there saying, well, we think the market could have a rough first half and all that. This is probably the time to get it. And in the summer and early fall, there'll probably be a point where everybody thinks this can't end and hopefully we'll be

on together and i'll refer them to here and i'll say i'm taking profits now because the time to buy was in january not in july oh yeah well i can't wait for that mel congrats on a very good 2025 not perfect but very good and uh here's to a very good 2026 it's always fun doing these with you yes i appreciate it and sorry for the technical difficulties but um always a great time and best to you and yours and to everybody that listens um i know i'm uh a little bit out there sometimes especially with my ex posts and different things but you know i i just do this because i love to share it i i trade i invest i don't have a newsletter or a research research arm um i just think that it's a great opportunity to actually develop my views when i have to present them to

others and also a good way to keep me humble keep me uh on track and so i really appreciate the opportunity well thank you for doing what you do i've grown to love these conversations more and more as we continue to have more of them so we'll probably meet uh beginning of q2 catch up see where we are and then uh then go on from there that was perfect all right peace and love freaks thank you for listening to this episode of tftc if you've made it this far i imagine you got some value out of the episode if so please share it far and wide with your friends and family we're looking to get the word out there also wherever you're listening whether that's youtube apple spotify make sure you like and subscribe to the show and if you can leave a rating on the podcast

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