That Gaby Roslin Podcast: Reasons To Be Joyful - Appleton

Episode Date: April 6, 2026

Natalie and Nicole Appleton join Gaby for a trip down memory lane, celebrating all the things they are thankful for in life - and sharing what brings them joy. They chat about their love of singing and musicals, their new music and the simple joy of walking their dogs and being in nature. Gaby reminisces about All Saints' trousers (and how many pairs she bought to be just like them) and asks whether All Saints would ever get back together. There is an answer...but you'll have to listen to find out! The sisters also reveal their 'Show n Tell' items to Gaby - a little something that brings them both joy and makes them smile. (it is NOT what you expect)

Okay, so I've known you two for a very long time. Natalie and Nicole, I absolutely love you both. You're such good souls. You've just blown my mind. We have to have the conversation. Nick, you just said you love curling and you're talking Winter Olympics. We were just discussing that when we watch it, I wasn't, what they should do for people that don't understand the sport.

I don't. I think that they should do a little diagram and let everyone know what the skill is and what they're trying to achieve so that we can learn and enjoy and understand what they're doing. I'm thinking, okay, why are they doing that? I know. So can you write for the brushing the floor?

Like a little diagram. I mean, obviously he can sweep the floor when he gets home. But she knows. Look at her face. I just think, just explain it. So I did. Explain it to us.

What's this? Just explain it on a diagram. Like, you know what they do in football and someone's this and that? Just explain the rules. So I did curling in Canada. And so they told me. Sorry, your sister.

doesn't know. Okay, so for people that do know, it's one thing, but for people like me, that don't know. So what you do, so I don't know what we did at this ice skating rink, because it's very big in Canada, you have to put like some sort of sticky tape under one foot so that one foot sticks to the floor so that you can push off and then you glide along. It's like bowls. Okay, so basically there's a target in the middle and you have to try and get the closest, whatever they're called. They're like big fat irons into the middle of the circle. And it's a bit like that. So it's a bit like that. But why don't they just tell us? Why can't they just say, just for a bit of fun viewers, people that don't know the game, this is what they're trying to do. We need your commentary. Like a little cartoon, like a little just so that everyone goes, oh, okay. Can we please, will you make me the weirdest promise, okay, can we go curling?

I'd love to. Didn't they do it here during winter? They do it in Kings Cross, but not at this time of year. Yeah, no, in winter. So then let's do it. Can we go next winter? Let's do it. Let's go curling.

I mean around Christmas time. Yes. I get a message you go. Girls, can we go curling? Let's go curling. But it's fun as well. It's actually a real laugh. Did you slide across the floor?

So you have to, you've got to trust it because it's quite, you know, you're on ice. You don't want to fall. So you just go and then you bend. How come you on slip? Because you go down on like one knee. So you're on your knee as you go. But you'll stick a thing under your foot as well. When it's snowy, we'll just go on the pavement on one knee so we don't fall over. So you can practice, yeah.

I'll come to your house like that. I love this. Oh, you two are so adorable. So we have to, we have known each other a very, very long time. for all sorts of various reasons. But I remember you coming on shows when you first started doing All Saints. And I honestly remember watching you

and thinking, they're the coolest girls ever. And then meeting in real life, just thought you were the kindest. You just put out such positivity, always. And you still are doing that with your new stuff. You two working together, as you know, I think that single, it makes me very very, very emotional.

Ah. But you too, you do give out positivity all the way. I think we just must get that from mum. I've met your mom. She's very lovely. Yeah,

I mean, it's in the jeans. Why do the, like, why not? Like, it's just, why not just love, you know? Like, well,

you always like that as kids as well. Yeah. Yeah. I used to, my mom used to say to me, she used to do shopping for us and she said, she'd come home from work,

and she said, there'd be no food in the house because you've given it to all the neighbors and all the kids, Every kid had a banana, every kid had a drink, every kid had everything. And everyone loved to come to my house. My mom's like, I've got to support four kids.

I can't support the street, you know. But I think it's just, I used to make sandwiches for everybody. Oh, my word. But in the crazy industry, and you both have been, your private life has been blazing. We're not going to talk about all that because it's, I can't bear all that. But it's been blazoned everywhere. And yet you just, you have smiles on your faces and you have nice things to say about everybody. Yeah, life's too short. I think you sort of, you know, everybody has a roller coaster of a life in whatever they have or go through in their life. But you're not here that long. So just make the most of it and just, you know, surround yourself as people that you love and that look out for you.

Let's talk about your babies, our babies. So our babies were actually born on the same day in the same hospital and ended up going to school together. And you're very... Now they're getting married. Does anyone know the story? Does anyone know that story? The story about us walking into your room? It was the freakest thing I've ever. Me wearing... Your hair did. You just give him birth. I'd just given birth and I was wearing the most revolting pajamas that my ex-in-laws had given me and I had to wear because they were coming to see my baby.

Oh my God. And then you guys walk into my room. It was like... Well, what they did. They took Jean. Gene was wrapped up like a worm because I just had Gene. And that took him off me and went into your room to show you Gene while I was in bed. You know, we didn't...

See, you remember your pajamas. That's how traumatizing it was. It was. And you and Kate Thornton And then Liam coming in Liam on his own just going Hey Gap I was like

Oh my God What is going on? I really thought I was having And I didn't take any drugs I didn't take anything When I gave birth And I thought What has just happened in my world

But Yes But what's so lovely is You described our babies The other day And I've now told my big baby And she laughed so much When I said

You told me the story about You said You said the story about Jean And his The music when he went to nursery school that he said, yes. Am I allowed to say the name of the song? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. It's a podcast. Okay. So we went to Jean's nursery, his dad and I, and he's allowed to play. So he took a CD in. Kids all took in songs for their little meet and greet thing that they did at the school.

And for a sing-a-long, right? And for a sing-along. And the chairs, as you have to remember, are literally, you're practically on the floor. It takes so long to sit down. So we sat down, and already we were a bit like, Oh my God, what's she going to play? And he put it in the CD player and press play.

And it was Smat My Bitch Up from The Prodigy. Everybody together now. And all together now. And I told my daughter and she said, yeah, I took him Mary Poppins. And in their world, that's exactly where they still are. Mary Poppins and smack my bitch up. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful boys. But also, I love the fight.

Let's just talk about the story that they're the ones. Your boys are the ones that said, come on, mums, make music again. Talk me through this. I think they're just big fans of us and, you know, they see that, you know, we just speak. Nat and I are together more than twins. I mean, we're constantly together, face-timing, we're together. So I think they just thought, why don't you go in the studio again? And we're like, okay. Because again, we trust their opinion. They've got a very strong opinion in our life. You know, we cherish it. So we did it

How did it feel when you went back in? Did it just feel normal? It just felt like we were back in our lounge In our house. It didn't feel any different. It just had a microphone in it, you know? Yeah. We laughed mostly.

Yeah. It spent hours laughing out. It was good seeing Gareth again who we worked with it. It was just like, you know, we tease each other and it's like we just have a laugh. I don't know where our chat comes from though

because we talk all day and then when we see each other in the studio it's like we haven't seen each other in ages. And then I'll say to Nicky to tell a mom this story. So I'll listen to the whole story again in front of my mom to see my mom's reaction. But that's so lovely. I think that's a bit weird. That's why I were so happy.

I don't think that's weird at all. I think it's something that lots of people wish that they had. Because there are so many people that don't have that sort of relationship with their siblings. But also the fact that you can work together and not fall out because that can happen. And you too, so how do you work? Take me through your working. recording and the working. How does that work? Nick, how do we work? So, we're curious. Well, we'll have as well from just recently. We'll get a studio day and we chose

Gareth because Gareth did our last album. We wanted to kind of carry on that same sort of sound. And he will send us a skeleton of a song and we sort of fill in, put the meat on it. And we go in, we bring our water, some snacks. And then we go in there. And we go in. And we go in there. Snacks. What snacks? This is a detailed A banana or some crisps or something, I don't know. Okay. And we'll go in and we'll chat with Gareth for about an hour

just catching up on life and then we'll suddenly forget why we're there and go, oh, should we sing? And then we'll go in and we'll do it. But then we make each other laugh when we're in the actual booth as well. So there's a lot of outtakes. So is music your lifeblood

for both of you? That's a... How do we answer that? Only because I've just been asked about what I do. Okay, music, I love music. I love, you know, I love to sing. I love singing with Nick and I love performing with Nick. So doing this together was like for us to be able to do that again.

It was, you know, bring, I mean, music we love, even if we're not doing it. I mean, music is in our house all the time. So music, of course, my husband will know if I'm in a good mood because I'm singing. Mom's singing, she's in a good mood. Like, I love it. It's like, it's almost like a form of like stress relief singing. It's so good. I mean, actually, that's, you know all the, the charities, the charities, the choirs that are popping up everywhere. And a lot of people saying that's helping them so much with anxiety and with loneliness. Yeah.

Yeah. I guess you know what? I just picked that. I mean, I picked Nat up on the way here this morning or this afternoon. And right outside where she lives, there's a lady playing a cello. So when I opened the door, I went, can you? just sit here for a minute? Because I was really enjoying this woman playing the cello. It was so lovely. So moody. It was just really nice.

You had a, what, a random person just playing the cello outside of your house? Oh my word. See, isn't it lovely all of that? I was just like, we kind of sat there with a door up and then the guy was like, can we go? Anyone plays any instrument, I love it. Yeah. So was it always like this then? When you were younger? Yeah. We're always like... I did.

I did it since we were... Since we could. Since we could, yeah. You know? So who's... We'd make our Barbies do it. You did. So we'd make our Barbies sing. Remember when we listened to chorus lonely? We'd make them sing.

Yeah. So we knew a lot of... My favorite song! Who played me towards tomorrow. So we love all musicals as well. So my mom got us into that. Yeah. Rocky Horror Picture show.

La Cache of Fall. Me and my girl. All of them were like our soundtrack to our lives, our childhood. Before we went to stage school, we knew all about that before then. Okay. that it was there in you before you went there but you were obviously supposed to go but I don't know we only went to I think we couldn't get into many schools at the time it was like that was it really I wanted to be a

dancer I wanted to be a dentist I've never heard that I wanted to be a dentist I wanted to be a dentist singing dentist I used to be obsessed with teeth yes you want to be an orthodontist an orthodontist because of freaky Friday the orthodontist thing I used to love all that so it's all that's all that's all that's so interesting. Oh my God. That you've completely gobsmed because I didn't think that was going to come out of your mouth. Yep. Okay. Apart from being wanted to be a dentist, you wait off to stage school.

Your mum said about musical theatre. So do you see your singing as performing? Or is it? It depends where. When we're singing, you know, and we're performing in front of people, it's a performance on stage. You love a live audience. But at home, we just sing and it's just like part of our

routine. It's just like walking around. So musicals, would you have you, will you? When I was younger, I'd love to have been in them, but I don't know so much now. Really? Why not? I mean, I used to want to be in Starlight Express so badly. I know, I've seen it. It's brilliant. I've seen it. It was there. It's brilliant. But when I was really young, when we went to see it, I thought, first of all, I can't roll the skate like that. Like, there's a technique. You could do curling. If you could do curling, you can do it. You can do it. I could do curling the musical. Curling the musical.

I can see you both in musicals. And you've never done it. Maybe. I wouldn't say no. They're just a lot of fun, aren't they? You wouldn't say no. No, it depends. Okay.

I'd have to see. Any musical, magic wand, what would it be? Oh my goodness. Oh, no, I don't know. I mean, I'd love a chorus line. But like maybe someone in the background. Corse line's my favorite. No, maybe being the narrator in Rocky Horror Picture Show.

So did you see the one with Jason Donovan just like last year? Was it the year before? When he did Rocky. Have you seen it? No, I haven't seen his version. It was brilliant. I was like so blown away by his performance. It was brilliant.

We had the best time and it's so naughty that I was embarrassed a couple of times because we took our moms with us and we were like, oh my God. But that looks like a fun show to be in. I would do the Rocky Horror show. See, I'd see you both in Chicago. I haven't seen it You've never seen you know And all that jazz

I know the songs But I haven't seen it Okay you have to Yeah Okay bring it back You do bring it back But also you have done So let's talk about the other side of you as well

Because to the acting and everything Because I mean I What you give out We're going to talk some more about Your music again now But I'm going back to what you give out And I've said this to your face A number of times,

Nick That what you give out is so powerful It is so powerful. When I know that I'm going to see you, when I walk into a room when you guys are there, honestly, it's really extraordinary what you give out. And I know all of your girlfriends say exactly the same about you guys, that there is so much still for you to give. Do you feel that? Do you feel that you've got so much more to give? I don't feel it. I feel like it's just me being me. Sometimes I do make sure if I give my time. to my friends if they need me and I'll go above and beyond but I think otherwise it's just a natural sometimes I could be taken advantage of you know the kindness can be thrown in your face

and it's not very nice but I just it's just the way I am I's just the way I've always been it's so special that's why you've got to do more you've got to do more of putting yeah but also when we see you it's like you make us feel that way as well

yeah but you two are really special but but you've got to do more so you're music. So coming back and doing your music, it's wonderful that you're back and you're doing it. Is there, now what's the next thing? Obviously, I know you're gigging. You're doing a mighty hoopla, right? Yes, which is very exciting. I just think we're going to go in the studio more and just record and just keep on recording, you know, having fun with that, like as in more. But other than that. Just you two, any more, All Saints, or is that? Do you think that's, you never see, never? Never see. We'll see. We'll see. Who knows. Watching the take that documentary was quite extraordinary looking at that

and seeing how they're coming back and coming back to all the different guises. But there's a lovely, you know, that the music, all saints' music as well still lives in people's heart. And everybody still plays it. And we're so proud of that as well. You know, we're still very proud of that.

But you're going to be doing more. So what else, please? What else? I mean, I need to paint a wall in my house. Okay, you can do that. Do you actually do your own painting? Sometimes I do, I try. What color are you going for?

I know what snacks you have. I don't remember the names of the colors. They're so weird. We used to paint our flat all the time when now I live together. I enjoy painting, even though I just enjoy it. I need to like cull some clothes in my cupboard, you know, things like that. Normal things. Normal things.

It's nearly spring. It's almost like a spring refresh. Yeah. So, okay, so what's going to happen with the music? Tell me where you're going with it all. So we're going to be doing festivals, which is great. And then we thought we'd see how that went and maybe we'll think about doing something. Just Nair and I. Possibly. Without saying anything. Have I said it all?

Because you've said a lot of possibly's, maybe. Possibly's, maybe. We're going to see how it feels. We're going to see, you know, if that could come next. So it's going to be an exciting year this year and next year, I think. Oh, my, that, obviously there's so much planned because you've just given that. So I've just given you another year. Yeah, fantastic. You two in your relationship, it does it ever, I mean, I mean, you say you speak all the time and that even when you speak, you then speak some more. But do you ever feel sort of responsible for each other? Because being sisters and a double act and all the stuff that you've gone through personally as well, that being there for one another, does it ever feel sometimes you think, oh, I'm going to do this because we have to do this together? Do you know what I mean?

And I mean that in a positive way, not in a negative way. We've always got each other's backs. And we're always, I mean, I don't know how to answer that, to be honest. we're not doing it for each other. We're doing it because we want to... Together, you know, I don't... It's not like, I'll do this for Nick because she needs it, you know. There's been things...

No, there's... Nat has steered us in a few directions, which has been for the best. Yeah. You know, some things that I've been a bit reluctant, which I can't give too much away, because it's not happened yet. And I've gone, okay.

And I've gone, okay, and so far I'm thinking, this was a great call. So she does kind of steer, in certain, you know, but we both do it. We trust each other. Yeah. Oh, God, yeah.

So also your group of friends, you've got amazing friends, a really close girlfriends. And that's very important to you, isn't it, as well. Friendship's very important. Yeah. You know, since we've all had kids and, you know, life changes and COVID happened and all that kind of stuff, we used to see each other pretty much every one friend a day or a week or everyone would get together. But with our lives, it's just changed. so much that even let's say let's talk about Tamsin for example

Althwaite who we love so much. We all love. Oh my God. If I haven't seen her in two or three months it doesn't change how we feel about each other so we can go out for lunch and just have the best catch-up and nothing changes but we used to see each other every weekend. That's so lovely. But I've how did you all meet? Was it through school? No I did so Tamsin I met on the table dancing at cabaret club drinking tequila and so Well, just rewind on that. Say that again. So someone said, because a lot of people said we look alike, especially when we were younger.

You do look alike. Yeah. So she was dancing on this table at the cabaret club. Literally, our heads were on the ceiling. And we were doing tequila shots. She wasn't a table dancer. No, she wasn't a table dancer. We just have to point that out. Yeah.

She could be. She'd be an amazing one. I think Kate said, the twins are finally meeting. Yeah, the thing Kate said, the twins are finally meeting. And then we were inseparable after that. I found my soulmate with her that night. Oh! Yeah.

You know when you see love at first sight, it was love at first sight when I saw Tam. You should, will you know then what she says about you? She loves you so much. But also all of you have been through very publicly stuff and you, there's a real protection. And that's what I love. I just watch you protecting each other.

It's actually making me really emotional. But thinking about some of those girls, And I love them, you know, I know them. So you see what we see in them. But also to know that you're all protecting each other. Yeah. And you've all gone through such crap. Yeah.

And the press haven't been nice. And for sure. The support that you give each other is incredible. Yeah. It's great. It's great to have that sisterhood. You know, it's great. You know, there's two of us, but there's 20 of us.

Yeah. That's so lovely. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about, so 26 years you've been married. Wow. So talk to, I mean, that's... She's only 27. Yeah. You've got married at one.

Cute baby, little long veil. Oh, that's slightly dodgy, though. We let's date that. So talk us through that. How did you meet? We met at a festival that we were playing at All Saints and a mutual friend introduced us and the rest is history, as we say. That's so lovely, 26 years. And in this industry, That's like... It's 260 years. Yes, indeed.

And you obviously, you've just got remarried and you've got a new baby. Remaried four and a half years ago and I have a beautiful daughter, Skipper, who's five, nearly six. And how's she doing? She's just incredible. She brings me the biggest... My heart is full every day. I mean, I've got two, but seeing a five-year-old again, being able to re-go there, you know, because Nat and I would say, oh my God, we'd get a picture up on a...

of our kids when they're about five or six and go, oh, what we would do just to go back to that. Jump in that picture. And just squeeze them when they were fired because they're such big men now. I feel like I'm doing it to her because I'm like, I don't want to have this picture in my hand and not squeeze you like this. Yeah, treasure every moment. Treasure everything. Can we talk, I know we did on the radio, but let's talk again about your boys and their music. So Gene's doing really well.

Yeah, he's doing really well. He's, I don't know how many songs he's released now, I think it's about maybe three or four. He's releasing an EP and he's been just, he's just finished touring with Miles Kane, which he said it was brilliant. He had so much fun doing it. It was really good. He's really good. I'm really proud of him. That's so lovely. And it was sort of inevitable, I suppose, was it? Yeah, I think, you know, but he never sort of... Do you ever want to be a dentist or there's always music? I know, but this is the thing. I mean, Gene, he was just, he kind of just did it all.

One day I went to watch him and my jaw was on the floor because for me, I never saw any of it. I never saw the whole process of it because he's very private. No. Oh, wow. So I used to, he used to practice in his room and I used to just sneak by the stairs just to listen. Because if God forbid I got caught, I was in trouble. Like he just kept everything, yeah, everything's secret until the one day I watched him, I went, I can't believe that to you. Oh, how incredible.

And I know Ace doesn't like to talk about it. No, no, no, no, no. I can't. But he does his thing. He's been doing it. He's got an EPIA already. He's working on other things. he's, I can't even, I just think that he does, he wants to do his stuff. He doesn't deserve for me to talk about it because he's just working on it. Every bit of advice I say, he does the opposite. So that's, that's a, but, you know, I can't, you know.

No, no, but I totally understand that. They also want to do their own thing. That's a bit just between us. Like that's, yeah, no, I totally understand if my girls are the same. They're just like, this is our stuff, this is our life. And so completely, and I don't like anybody that pushes and finds out stuff. Like, like I was saying, the press that you've had to do. deal with over the years. And you've written that so beautifully and with such grace and with such charm so I totally get that people want their own private life. It's nobody else's business. Did you make...

I don't want to bring my chaos to, you know, he doesn't deserve that. Did you, did you, was it a conscious decision with your mom and your other sister everything? Was it, no, we're not going to take, we're just going to, because you just have been so gracious. So gracious about everything.

I think to survive it, you don't rise to it, you know? You don't rise to it. You kind of just go, no one cares tomorrow, you know? But it took a long time to get there. In the beginning, it was, it could have been, it was soul-destroying, but you have to kind of learn with wisdom that it really doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

And one of the things I regret in life is... Oh, don't have any regret. The only one thing I regret is giving it so much time. Okay. and losing time over it. And that's probably it, really. Now you've said it, you can let go of it. Exactly.

So I won't let it happen again. How fantastic. That's so, you've just given me goosebumps. That was really incredible. Okay, so on reasons to be joyful, we always ask people, either to bring something in or show some photo or just tell us things that make you joyful. You all smiles. Okay, I'm not thinking about this.

She's already here. Okay. So I have to say like, I'm not very materialistic. So when you said about things, what objects, I was like, well, I was thinking about the objects that I have. And I did bring in a show and tell. Okay, please do.

She hasn't shown me, so I don't know. Oh, I love that you don't know. I was trying to think of something that makes me happy when I see it, and it gives me joy. So ready? Close your eyes, Nick. Close your eyes. Okay, I'm closing my eyes.

I'm not going to press out laughing. I'm not going to cry. I think I might cry. Are I going to press out laughing? Go. Go. Talk me through the owl. You know the movie, don't you?

Oh, my word. Let me see that. It's that owl. And what's his, he's called? Clash of the Titans. He's called, um, it's heavy. So it's from the movie The Clash of the Titans. The Clash of the Titans.

And he's the sweet little bird. And he, I think it was a gift from the gods. Yeah, he's a gift from the gods. Gift from the gods. And, well, this is your show and tells us. Once you've said the name, you can't find it. But it's fine. Basically, my husband,

it on, I think it was eBay or Etsy, like in 2013. And he loved it, and it was just someone made it. And I, because I loved the character in the movie. And the movie takes me back to when I was like about seven. And my sisters went to see The Clash of the Titans. And I couldn't go because I had chicken pox. So every time I see him, that movie reminds me of that I couldn't go with my sisters because I had chicken pox.

But that little special character, just, you know, when you said, bring a show and tell, what gives you joy? It's him. I love that. It's a gift from the gods. But also, it's nobody else has brought anything like that. It's so heavy. Yeah, I don't know what it's made of.

It's some kind of metal. Oh, my word. There we are. We're very careful with it. Thank you. You're welcome. I had no clue that. Did you?

When I heard the cooking, I thought maybe it was like some sort of an inhaler. I don't know. I thought it was, you were getting up a cup. What do you think? I love him. That's so lovely. I love him. I love him.

I love that you didn't know what each other. was going to say or bring. There's a clunker looking around in my... It's really heavy. It does. It sounds like a coffee cup. No, it sounds like a... You know, a plungy thing that makes a coffee.

Yeah. Yeah, what are that? Italian... No. Yeah, that. Yeah, what's yours? So I didn't bring a show and tell because the show and tell I want to bring. I can't bring.

So I was having a good thing. And again, you know, there's all the obvious. We have to sort of tick off what brings me joy. My child, my husband, my family. my friends, my dog. All that is covered. All that. Yeah.

We all know that. We know that covered. That goes without saying. Yeah. So I found myself, and it must be a certain age thing, that I love, I love so much, and I get soap something out of it, is a sunrise. Not so much sunset, but a sunrise. We were in America.

You know you get jet lag in America, so you're up really early. So where we were staying was on the beach. And every morning I would get up at 4 in the morning, make myself a cup of tea or a cup of coffee. and know that the sun was going to come up and I would sit there and watch it and it gave me something and every time I do that now it gives me something.

I used to hate them when I'd be coming home at that time you know I love the bird singing now back in the day I'd be like oh no don't sing yet I haven't gone to sleep you know he'd be so scared to be home when the birds sing

I love them but now I absolutely there's something about a sunrise it's like a magnetic thing and so I'm addicted to it Do you know, we're very lucky to be on this planet and all three of us have lost people and at very young ages.

But what is so special is that sunrise to me has always think, we've got that. Anything in nature, really, if you're on like the heath and then you find a trail that you've never been down before and then you find these spider webs that are like, like, like, art pieces. And I'll be stood there for ages like just staring at this spider web that's got little bits of dew on it and just be fascinated by them.

And the birds and the nests that they build. Some of them build these most amazing nests. I'm just mesmerized by these things. We had lovely Mika on the podcast, and he told me to download this bird app, which he's obsessed with because he's obsessed with birdsong. And I now, everywhere I go, I do. You can identify the birds. And it tells you, and it records the song, and then it tells you what the song is.

Oh, that's wonderful. But also, I love it. something about birdsong is that if there's a lot of bird song makes you feel safe the reason is that means there's no danger around because the birds only sing if there's no danger that's really amazing so when I'm going for a walk on the heath with my husband or something he's talking to me like Stephen just let's not talk just yet shut up Stephen just shut up so we can hear the birds sing and then he's like because you know you don't realize what's around you you know a lot of people go and they have the

coffee say what really quickly and it's like just take a minute to hear what's going on around you. And seeing, looking at everyone's dogs. I just love, and I see these dogs. Have you got dogs as well? I do. And I just love seeing their dogs and I had this big stupid grid on my face and probably thinking, look at this stupid woman. But I don't think anybody would as long. I just, I look forward to going out and seeing, I call them the goods. They're all good boys, even though they're all good boys. That's one of the things I love about going on. We know the dogs workers will be like, oh, I know this dog. And I'll tell Nick, I saw this, Dax the other day.

Oh, I know I've met him. I've met him. Like, we know the dogs on the heath. It's so funny how we go, oh, there's that. We usually pass this dog at this time. You see some spectacular dogs on the heath, unbelievable. And it just, it does that, gives me joy. That's one of the things in life that gives me joy is other people's dogs, including my own, of course.

But what's so lovely is, what you're saying is that things that are totally accessible. You saw a film as a child. You love the sunrise, the bird song. All of that is accessible to anybody. Yeah. And actually we should appreciate those really small things more and more and more and more. Oh, yeah. There's nothing like, you know, it's the simple things really, you know.

Before we end, I have to talk to about trousers. I spent more money on trousers because of you girls in the 90s. It wasn't dresses now. Trousers. And I still, so I nearly wore my original Maharishi's that I had. But I nearly wore them today. And I thought, no. Should have.

No, because I had to go to two meetings beforehand. And they would have just went, they would have been like, you're dressing like the Appleton sisters on purpose. No, no. But you had such an impact on what we all wore. We just have to get that out there because I said to my best friend that I was you coming on the podcast. She said, will you tell them, thank you very much. I spent so much many on trousers. And then I've been, yeah, me too.

So I'm just passing that on. Did you realize what, I mean, you must have known. You were such style icons. You still are. I don't, I think, do you know what it is? I think we didn't initially set out that way. For us, it was just being comfortable. It was no way.

Yeah. No, camel toes or anything. No, just be able to dance around. You can't have, you can't be doing that. You know, it was just about being comfortable and so we could sing and perform. See, I've never asked you that in all the years of interviewing you, and back then where you were all saints and everything.

I never asked about it. And I just sort of would be like very, careful thinking, I've got so many trousers like that, so many cocky trousers like that. But you had such an impact. Isn't that wonderful? But in a good way, because it made us all feel good about ourselves. Well, anybody could wear them. You know, every, everybody could wear them.

And do you still have any, and do you still wear them? Yes, I don't have any of the originals, but I still do wear them. Yes, I do too. Good. Very pleased to hear it. You two are truly wonderful. So are you. So are you. So are you, guys.

No, so are you. You know. You too. Thank you. Thank you. You know,