That Gaby Roslin Podcast: Reasons To Be Joyful - Bananarama

Episode Date: November 7, 2023

Music legends Bananarama join Gaby Roslin for a natter about the joyful things in their life. They talk about celebrating their 40th anniversary this year, being shy, how they were influenced by punk and why they just don't give a monkeys about what anyone thinks anymore.We learn about their friendship, their songwriting, their inspirations and how Keren and Sara are more like a married couple every day. This is a truly joyful celebration of one of the most iconic British pops acts in the world! We hope you enjoy listening to it as much as we did making it! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

And welcome to Reasons to Be Joyful. On today's episode, I am so, so over-excited to be joined by two musicians who have soundtracked my life and many of yours too. They've sold millions of records toward the world and are celebrating their 40th anniversary this year. I am, of course, talking about banana-rama. Here they are, and I do hope you enjoy our chat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Something really weird happens when I get my favourite bands on the podcast or I interview them on my radio shows or anything, I start getting this singing Tourette's. I can't stop. So on the tube this morning, everyone's going to guess who you two are. You know what to do with the we? But I was doing it out loud.

I couldn't help it. Bonanarama, I love you. Love your songs. Thank you, Gary. You are the backbone. The backbone. The backbone. of my life. You've been there throughout.

Yes. Well, we're kind of the spine of each other's lives, I guess, as well, because we've been there throughout together from four. I guess we've kind of been going the same as you, because we always used to bump into you in clubs and with George. Well, also, but at the big breakfast, you were there, you came on the big breakfast, but even before that, you came on a Saturday morning show I did called Motor Mouth. Oh, gosh, yes. And so I was going back in my roller decks of my brain,

And I thought, okay, that is 37. Wow. No, hold on. Anyway, a long time. Yes. And you've been going a long time. And yet your songs, and this isn't just because you're sitting in front of me. Because I interviewed you and read you two and I said the same thing.

Your songs sound completely fresh today as they did then. Yeah, I think some of them do stand the test of time. I think cruel summer is just incredible. And each generation finds it and says, oh, I love this song and who is it? and they think it's a new song. Yes. My daughter used to go to clubs and they would play Cruel Summer

amongst really cool stuff and everybody would love it and so that's actually my mum and I'm like, what? Oh, that's a line, isn't it? Yeah, it's 40th anniversary Crawl Summer this year. So, yeah, that's the whole celebration for us this year.

So, but did you know then that 40 years down the line these songs would still be as fresh and as new and people would still be singing them? Absolutely not. I mean we started kind of as teenagers, early 20s, and it was just fun.

You know, obviously it became very serious once we had a hit in the States. I've just thought, oh gosh, well, this could be a career. I don't think you can think that far ahead at all, especially in the music business. I mean, it wasn't like we planned it as a career in the first place and thought, oh, we're going to be famous and do show biz. It's not our background, you know,

as much as we did school musicals and sang in the choir, it was never something we thought of as a career, which I think people do now, but it has been. I think that's in a way that's what makes it work. Yeah, I think so as well. And also I think as females in the 80s, you don't think, even when you're young, you don't think, oh, as a girl, as a female,

that's the career for me, because there weren't that many opportunities or people that you could see to aspire to. No. You know, it was a bloke's thing, it was guitars, it was rock, it was top of the pops with very few females on there to kind of think, oh, I want to be like that.

For me, the first time I saw like punk groups, like the slits or the raincoats, Patty Smith, Debbie Harry. That was the first time I thought, you know, there's women doing like great music, whereas before it was kind of all the male. But also women who were independent with an attitude and you didn't feel like, you know,

you felt they were doing it for themselves and not because they'd been... You weren't just the girls. Interestingly, back in that when I started out in TV as well in the late 80s, it was very much you're the girl. Yes. And if there were girl groups,

it was, they were the girls. We still called the girls. People still say, when are the girls coming? That's like that. I don't know. I'm not only woke and pulled someone up on everything. It's quite sweet to be called a girl. Yes, I like it.

Then maybe not. Now, yes, please, keep calling me a girl. But your roots were very, you mentioned punk, your root, my husband who loves punk and reggae, He sort of claims you, and I claim you because to me you were pop. But your roots were in punk in a way, weren't they? I think punk came along when we were about 14, so we were at school.

And that's the time when you're finding yourself. And that was the first sort of thing we clung to as anybody can do it. It's really exciting. It's kind of a narcic. It was the attitude of punk that we fell for. And that, I did put safety pins in my ears. And we sort of dressed the part. However, we were still loving funk and disco.

Our big thing was funk and disco when we were sort of teenagers. We loved going out for a dance. And it was never about the punk music for us. It was all about getting up and doing it. Well, it was. But we loved the melodies and the kind of vibe. We were always more a song.

So you put the two together. Yeah, I think so. That's the age where you're really impressionable. And those are the things we've gravitated. towards. There's no reason why you should just have one, you know, type genre of music. We liked it all. But I think even now, I mean, I love some classical pieces because I was brought up playing

piano and singing in choirs and I love pop music. I like rock music as, you know, soul. I don't think you should just like whatever means something to you. Yeah, and I don't see why. I think should be a guilty pleasure either. No. Oh, I hate that expression. Oh, so do I.

I thought you're going to say or have got a show called guilty pleasure. Oh, no. I can't stand it. If somebody says what's your guilty pleasure, I've got a pleasure, I don't feel guilty about it. Oh, it drives me. When people say that about music,

music is, and I know I said that you were sort of the backbone, the spine or whatever, but music is integral to our lives. It's such a massive part. It is huge. And it sparks those memories. It really does.

But I think that's one of the main things that music does is create a feeling around a memory. You know, when I look back at Heaven Must Be Missing an Angel, I remember one of my first kisses in a holiday park in Devon. Slag. But you know, it's like, when I know what I was wearing, I was wearing a tight red cap sleeve t-shirt with a Z embossed on the chest. Can you remember his name?

No. He was from Essex and I think he might have been called Darren, Dan or Darren. Love it. I just see it and I bet you can remember the smells as well. I can absolutely. But the smells thing, I mean, I love that. So do I. I've suddenly, which is going to sound a bit weird.

There's certain, and I call, I can't actually, can't say it. Not sure I can't say it. Which reminds me of my dad. Yeah. When I used to kiss and when he came home from work and have a hug and I'd call it old man's head. Because he had a certain smile, I suppose, because he'd been working. You know, and I sort of.

What did he do? He was a factory worker. Okay, so you could smell his day on him. But he'd been working and then he'd come home and, you know, wash the day off. But I used to sort of, it just reminds me. And it actually makes me want to cry. And sometimes you sort of, you know. You walk past somebody and has that smell.

I find it. I find it very attractive. I completely get that. I'm going to go around to smell it. Smelling the tree. Excuse me, I sniff your head. I'm just getting on the tube to smell your head. Sorry, I should never have brought that.

No, it's no. But the other things, when we used to go out, everyone, the boys always used to drink lager and beer and cigarettes. And so when you smell that, it's sort of, I had it recently with my daughter. Oh, God, that takes me about, you know, what, beer and cigarettes. Yeah, because that's what your boyfriend always smelled like. Smells and music. That's what I used to smell like.

Now you smell of corn with and all salty sweet. But music is like that. as well. Music and smells and they bring back so much. And the fact that you've been doing this for 40 years, there were going to be so many people that you have done that too. Yeah. I mean, we did a reunion tour and we've got these two shows at the Palladium.

And it's like virtually sold out now. They're even thinking of having more because it's just done. What do you mean you can't? Yes, please do. You've got to. And there are all these women who obviously grew up with us because they just obviously remember those times and the music's really important. It really is. And there was a look. So you had a look. And I know I said this on radio too, but you were the cool girls that we all, you dared to wear the things that we all didn't really dare to wear. I was desperately shy. So you, we were all desperately shy. So you, we were all right. I'm actually if I'm on. Yes. You're the same. Yes. But that's why I think sometimes people used to think we're a bit aloof and stand up. But they thought it were rude. Yeah. Because we weren't someone who would burst into rooms. Say, hi, how are you doing? We just weren't those. We stand back. I'm quite good now.

Do you burst into room? Yeah, burst into room. So she's to be one at the Palladium. I do that, though. I am the ha! And then I get very shy off. So in the Palladium, she'll be the one at the front then. No.

You both will. Yeah. That's quite cool playing the Palladium, isn't it? Yeah. But we've kind of grown as we've done it. I mean, early performances are mortifying to watch because we're like, it's almost like you can hear me going, Sarah, have the camera's on me.

What do I do? You really were feeling like that. We were plucked from like nowhere. Obviously we performed our own band, but the Fun Boy 3 then took us on to Top of the Pops. That was our sort of second single, our first with them. And so one minute you're at school and the next minute you're on top of the pop.

And it's like, okay, what we do now? See, that must have blown your mind because I presume you both watched it. We all did. Every Thursday we were up close to the screen. So you now being on top of the pops, that must have blown your minds. Yes, it was incredible.

Because there's no stage school, yeah, no stage school that, you know, we didn't know how to perform and it was almost like accidental pop stars in some ways. And but, you know, we learned as we went along and that's all we could do with the early stuff. It's hilarious to watch and I have to say it just makes me laugh and cringe. But I find it very sweet. The voices, my friend always sends me a text with a Japanese flag on because she watched some. old thing, yeah, got a new album out and I got in Japan. And it's just like, where did that come from?

That's who you were. And actually, that's probably why all of us teenagers looked up to you because you were like us. Yes. You were really accessible. You weren't, you are superstars now, but I'm talking about when we were, when I was a young teenager, you were the girls that we wanted to be. And the girls you thought you could be. Yeah, you were normal.

You only had to back comb your hair and rustle up some, cut your sweatshers. Cut your sweatshers. Which we all did. Yeah. Cut your sweatshers and also your jeans. You wore jeans better than anybody wore jeans. We love jeans. So do I.

But that's interesting because I'd never thought of it quite like that. You were, because you were the shy girls, because you were seen like that, I never watched you and thought they're being standoffish. I always watched you and thought, oh, they did like me. Yes. Yeah. I think, and there were so few sort of girl groups or even, you know, solo's things, I mean, at that time. So I can see why young girls really, you know, that was important to them because you need to see people like you to kind of.

And there you were with a Fun Boy 3. Yeah. And I loved all of that. That just, it just worked. I hope it did behind the scenes. For us, it did as fans. It was brilliant and it was fantastic for us. I mean, we were kind of so naive in so many ways and suddenly,

It was definitely a step up the ladder. Yeah. And yet, particularly Terry had almost an identical personality. Because he was really shy. I'm so sorry. With a very dry sense of humour. Was he a nice guy? Yeah, lovely.

Never met him. That's what everyone says. Lovely, lovely, lovely, lovely. It's so funny. Oh, really? Really funny. Just that dry sense of humour. When the three of us, the six of us were on stage, we'd be in Germany somewhere.

He would be doing the. the little asides and the little chats in between, because, you know, everything was mimed in those days on TV. So, you know, he was the same as we were. He was the three of the, well, the other two were like, were boundy around, really, confident. The rest of us is like, this is ridiculous. He was for young.

I know. Very, very sad. We have so many happy memories of him, though. And then, obviously then, yeah, the Stockcake and Waterman stuff that happened and that you turned more more poppy

but that wasn't until after Jolly and Swain which is cool summer Robert De Niro's waiting See I'm not I'm doing it every time you say a title I sing it in my head

I want to be a member of Bananorama The Stockake and Waterman thing where we went It was 86ish Yeah we hadn't They hadn't had much out at that point

And it was just from again here one of the records and thinking, I want to do a record that sounds like that. They had Princess, say, I'm your number one. And did they have imagination at that point? Because we love body talk. We heard that at the wag club.

Yeah, we heard that. We heard that. Who did this? We want to work with them. Really? That's just so cool. Yeah, I want that. I want to sound like that one.

Yeah, and then you spin me around like a record. We heard in a club and said, I want to do a record like that. Well, it was high energy. It was just, it was that beat that I love. It seemed like the next. step. Yeah. It's so funny.

So you see, though, so do you see it all in sections then? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So who was, who was producing the songs with you?

Those are your sections. It was hearing. It was being inspired by hearing the song. And also because we co-wrote with them. So you really had to have that report. You couldn't just go into, like they have now just songwriters who write, you know, for everybody.

And for me, that wouldn't work because you need to have someone you can sort of bounce off and discuss the ideas. Because we're as integral, part in the songwriting, obviously now we are, but in the beginning, we still wanted, even though we were learning, we still wanted to be with someone who actually thought, yeah, I'm not going to write lyrics for teenage girls as I'm a middle-aged man or 30-something man, let's let those three write the lyrics, which is really how we started off.

So the writing then wasn't the first thing, obviously, that you did, but you knew, but you knew that's what you wanted to do. So you were playing? Yeah, I couldn't understand being in a band not writing your own music because it expresses who you are as a 19 year old and a 25 year old. You want to be able to say what you want to, you know, talk about.

I couldn't imagine singing somebody else's lyrics. But all I mean is you didn't go into this thinking I want to be a songwriter. You went to it, you came in, it was all a package. It didn't really go into it thinking we wanted to be any of it. It was just... Well, we did write from the gate word. We used to, you know, clap.

singing to the tape recorder. You see, it's just... And, you know, with no backing at all, it was just... Yeah, we needed someone to put the chords down for us, and that's why songwriters... But what I meant was, you know, some people sit there and say, I want to be a songwriter. It was... You were the whole package from the beginning.

Well, for me, that's part of... of being a singer and a performer is writing songs. I don't think you have to. Obviously, you don't have to write your own songs, but for a lot of people, that's what we did. We used to do it. When we were kids, bored kids, and I had a cassette recorder, but I'd been bought. The stuff we used to make up, songs and plays and comedy.

Absolutely. Do you know what? My brother, no, my brother, I kept it not to be written. It was on a green, clear green cassette. You remember the colour of the set? With red writing on in a red buyer and my brother recorded over it. It was not to be touched. He put the clash on it.

Yeah. He put something over it. It was, but we did it and we still do completely just weeping with tears so you can't actually breathe. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Which we've done since we've known each other. You still do that. Still do it.

I remember doing it all. I mean, I remember thinking I was going to drown once at the swimming bars because she said something to me when I was in. That's really funny. Let's laugh about the fact she was holding onto the side and she said something and I'm just wean. and just really, I mean, it's dangerous laughing and assuming. When will I grow out of that? Never. Oh, please never grow out of that.

No. So I just want to go to the Stockcake King and Waterman years because that was such a new sound for you. And as people who followed your music, but it worked. I feel it's pure pop. Pure melodic, unashamed. It's like you were saying, no guilty pleasure in doing absolute melodic. pure pop for me.

I mean that Wow album had so many hits on it. It was great. It had Venus, which was, that was our idea to do to a high-energy beat. And nobody really thought that was going to work. Really? Let's just give it a go. And then it was number one in America, which was phenomenal. Still stopaking a more than that. Yes, it is.

But that was the first one we did with them. Sure. Like an American couple, you two. It's fantastic. Well, it wasn't on our album. So, but when you, so those, you. So those years and how then people, did you feel that people in your fans and then the radio and television saw you in a different way then? Because I think as an interviewer, as a TV presenter, I probably did.

It's hard to know how people saw us. I don't know. I always think people just saw us as the girl, the girl group, not really as serious as all the boys, as all the men. I'm not sure we analysed it a huge amount. No, we didn't. I still think there was a feeling that because we were girls, you always felt like, now you had to prove a little bit more than everyone else in that.

Do you still feel that? Yeah. Wow. That's interesting. So that hasn't changed. Well, less so because. It grows with you because it was so sexist in the 80s. And that is a part of you.

It doesn't, you can't take that away. It was a very sexist time. You must have come across that yourself. Oh, completely. But I think it makes you extra independent, extra determined. An extra feisty. Yeah.

Yeah, but feisty is good. Yeah, absolutely. People have a funny thing about it. They go, oh, she's really feisty. As a woman, you get it. Yeah. Completely. And but it is, and that would still be, I think.

It's not even something I need us kind of shout about now. It's there. But we know what we've achieved. We know where we are in our careers. So it doesn't. really matter but it's annoying for, well it's more than annoying for younger people coming through. You just want to make sure that they don't experience that as well. You have to get to a certain point which we did a while back with him where you think

let it go, nothing to prove now. Yeah. And you sort of, that's so, that's just wonderful place to get to in your life where you feel like you've got absolutely nothing to prove to anyone and then it's almost like you can be at peace. So are you both at peace? So are you both The piece, do you feel that? Yeah. Yeah. Because there's always that tongue. How dare they?

Da-da-da. Why are they getting it? Yeah. And the amount of times we sat there and it's like, I was to get something. And then you go, oh, well. I like that. I like that. Oh, I love that.

Do you know, it's very funny. When I was, so doing my research when I was chatting to you on radio too and then for today, nearly every single interview and everybody starts with, They've sold this money. They're in the Guinness World. It's embarrassing. But actually, when I thought, God, everyone talks about it, it's really cool.

I mean, it is. It is, actually. It's just something to shout about. Yes. So as long someone else says it, we don't have to. Do you ever walk in? Did you get that thing? If somebody doesn't say, you go, hello?

No. Do you know how many songs we've actually said? No, absolutely not. But you must feel incredibly proud. I think we are. I think we, I mean, getting to this point, and obviously we wrote a biography and we've got this celebration, which is huge for us this year.

It's just looking back and thinking, yes, we have achieved loads. I feel like getting to the point where I didn't really care was the point where I realised how much I'd done. Yeah. I don't know if that makes sense really. Well, like caring about what people thought and then get into a point where you actually don't care and you don't really think it matters.

And then when we wrote the autobiography, I thought, oh my God, I'm absolutely awesome. Oh, that's amazing. That's actually made it quite emotional. But actually never really thinking how much I'd achieved or that I was, I'd particularly achieved anything. I'd got to a point where I was quite happy with myself as a person. But I'd never sort of thought about,

what I'd done in my life and how much I'd done makes me quite emotional. No, I'm actually, and it's maybe go. But, you know, what we had done from those small beginnings. And I thought, I'd never thought about it until that point. And I thought, I am so proud of us. And I could actually cry? Yes, so could I?

That's maybe. If you cry at the drop of the hat. That's not saying much. But that is such a wonderful thing to hear. Because people don't... Everyone's striving for more and more and more and more. And just when I'd stopped thinking I needed more or anything else in my life, I realised how much I actually had.

But it's also maybe realising... Because this is how I feel about television radio. Instead of obsessing because I love it. I realise I love what I do. Yes. And I feel like you've just said it's that. That's exactly it. We love what we do.

And we choose what we do and what we don't like to do. So we are in a good position now. It's not that endless striving for, you know, when in the early days when you didn't have a top 10 hit, it was like, what's wrong? I was horrendous. And it was like a constant challenge and a battle. And, you know, everyone's going to have ups and downs.

But, you know, the last, I'd say, the last 10 years have been my absolute favorite. And the last five years, completely my favourite, because there is no pressure to do any. We wrote and released our music on our own label. Our first album. And the two albums charted and we're like, great. So I wanted to talk to you about having your own label because that is quite something.

Yeah. Okay, who said it to the other? No, we do. I think the music evolved and lots of people. do release stuff on their own labels now. I mean, it can't. Loads people do it. I think the first album we released.

It's the control and ownership of the music. Yeah, the first album we released, we'd had a lot of songs that we'd recorded over time with our wonderful friend and producer, Ian, Masterson. And it was a collection of songs we'd have recorded ever appeared in time. Whereas the second one, Marsegrade, which we had out, was it like last year? Last year.

It seems like years. ago was recording and written and recording in quite a short space of time and for me possibly my favourite album we've ever done and I mean that Oh wow After 40 years

to you know full decades of recording to have that sort of piece of work and think that's the one I'm most proud of I think is quite an achievement whether anyone else thinks it or not I do and that's what matters that's quite a statement yeah

I also think it's the ownership of it. It means more to me. And I actually do love it as an album, as a whole album. I can pick up virtually every album, and I'm sure a lot of artists feel the same where you pick and you say, oh, that's great, that's not so much. You know, there's always ones that you're not so keen on or you think that's a bit of filler or I don't know, this one, it just absolutely wasn't for me. How wonderful to feel that.

Yeah. But now with the autobiography and this amazing I mean this album with everything on it And I mean it's fantastic And you were saying about new generation So I've got a 16 year old or 22 year old They love it So I was playing the whole album

But they just they just think it's theirs It's funny they sort of take ownership of it But that and then the Palladium Which is such an iconic venue It please don't tell me that this is a full stop? No. This is also huge and so celebratory.

This is a celebration for what's to come as well, is it? This celebration was delayed because of COVID essentially. So we'd always had plans to do a big thing for our 40th anniversary. What happened was we ended up because of lockdowns writing a whole new album, which we put out. So this was always being done. It's not a full stop. It's just like having everything.

We've chosen 40 of our favourite songs. So there's a lot of hits on there. And there's tracks we really love that weren't necessarily hits or there's fan favorites. I just think it's more personal for us. And it's got the coffee table book with it with all our clothes and all the iconic things. It's just a whole package. So it's exciting. But this isn't a full stop.

This is a comma. And for what's coming next. Yeah. never made plans. No. Ever. Really, really? No.

I've heard you say that. You've said that to me years ago. Well, I interviewed you. On Saturday morning, tell you. No idea. No idea what we're doing. No, absolutely not. I mean, that's just...

It's never been like that. You have gigs, though. You have to have those. Yeah, we love those. Yeah, we love doing the shows. I mean, we've got a few already put in for next year or whatever. We've got the Palladium thing. We love doing the festivals and the shows that we do.

They're just the best. The last album, we did some around the corner from where we are now actually, didn't we? Kingwood. No. Oh, sorry. Lafayette for the fans. Where we do sort of Q&A's and. Lovely.

And they're hilarious. Yeah. And do. What do they ask you? All sorts. I mean, is there a question that a fan always asks you and you know that they're going to ask you? Well, because they're fans, they kind of know the ones everyone asks. Yeah.

It gets more personal. And sometimes you don't want. to answer them. There's always a way of scoons. We used to make people write them down. So if we read them out, we didn't like them, we just... Just get rid of that one. Yeah, there's always those questions.

Yeah, don't worry. I won't be asking those. So, okay, so there's more to come. And Baneranarama will keep doing what you do. Well, I think, you know, we're in a position where I think when stuff, when you get to any age, actually, it doesn't matter what age. I'll forget age. You lose people. people along the way or stuff happens to people you know and I feel so lucky to be in a position where I'm fit and healthy enough to be able to go and high kick on stage and belt out soles.

You know, my brother's in a wheelchair. A friend of mine died recently who's 10 years younger than me. Everything like that that happens in my life makes me feel even luckier. Right? That I'm in the position I'm in and that I shouldn't stop until I have to. I couldn't agree more. Do you feel the same? You're nodding it. Yeah. I mean... Yeah.

Oh, well, keep doing it. The beauty of the two of us is we can, yeah, she can answer that and so I don't need to. If we're doing stuff and it's not where you can see us, we're like... You're noting each other. I love it going, you answer that one. But what I love which you told me beforehand is that... So you don't live in London. No, I love Cornwall.

You live in Cornwall and you have... You stay up. You have sleep over? Yes. I don't know why, but that's the bit that melted my heart. But the thing is, we used to, obviously, we left home and shared a flat and all through our lives, we've been together. So it just seems natural she would stay in my house. I could say go and book a hotel.

To be honest, I sometimes stay with my son. Not very often. No, not very often. She stayed with me for 30 years. But I like it. Yes, exactly. So I come here to spend time with my best mate and to work with my best mate. So, I mean, this is our time.

But this is our time we, you know, we, I mean, we do talk virtually every day. And FaceTime was on these Zoom meetings. We're always amused by what we're wearing on a FaceTime. It's like an old dressing gown. What do you do sound like? Oh, grandpa. Yeah. No, we face to me the other day.

and we were wearing identical jumpers. My God, yeah. That we both bought separately from one another. I didn't even know. Orange Polonex. Love that. We both love a Polonax. Who doesn't?

But what's so funny is that you have, I don't suppose you know this, but throughout this whole chat, you have been mirroring each other every move. You've sit the same way. I know. You've both folded you. You've then put your arms down.

It's quite extraordinary. Well, there is. It's beautiful, Gabby. No, but I love that. We do. Yeah. Long may you reign. I asked you.

Do you know what? If I asked you about younger you and looking forward, if younger me when I was a young teenager, knew that I'd be sitting talking to Bonanarama about them face-timing one another and staying, having sleepovers, my head would have blown it and watching it on top of the pot. You don't sleep in the same room. That's all right. That's fine. But it was just, and you are still going strong.

And that's what is fantastic. And that's why we should celebrate you. They should be a banana-rama day every year. International banana-rama. Which date? What date would you like? We'll make it. I don't know.

We can choose it. Tenacity Day. Just choose any date. We'll make it that. July the 7th. July the 7th. Okay. So July the 7th is Tenacity Day,

aka Banana. honorama day. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks.