That Gaby Roslin Podcast: Reasons To Be Joyful - Craig Parkinson

Episode Date: June 20, 2022

In this episode Gaby chats with actor and award-winning podcaster, Craig Parkinson. They chat all about his legendary role as the Caddy in 'Line of Duty' and the success of his own podcast 'The Two Shot Podcast'. He reminisces about sharing a flat with fellow actor Daniel Mays and what it was like working with Rob Lowe. He shares many more showbiz stories and also beams about much he loved being in 'Doctor Who'. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to That Gabby Rosen podcast, part of the Acast Creator Network. Craig Parkinson, actor and award-winning podcaster, joins me this week. From being the caddy in line of duty to hosting Two-Shop podcast, he's a man of many talents and many showbiz tales. He tells us what it was like when he shared a flat with actor Daniel Mays, what Rob Lowe is really like. We talk about John Sim and Grace, so many TV shows and films that he's been a part of. and how much he loved being in Doctor Who. I do hope you enjoy. Please can I ask you a favour?

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Hello. Hello, good morning. There's a song I wrote just for you. I hope you're impressed with the words and the tune. Just, you know, the lyrics, you know, I love, you know, that's a really nice. It's a good way to start the day. Gabby, thank you very much for that. on his showing. Oh, lovely Craig. Do you know what's so, so wonderful is when you get to speak to

somebody that not only is a mate, but also you admire. And I have that in in heaps for you. And every time I see you in something, because we've known each other, I worked it out. It was 19 years ago that we first, over 19 years ago we first met. Oh my God. Yeah, we'll share that bizarre story in a sec but but every time I've seen you in anything ever since and obviously I've seen you a real life and I've interviewed you and all the rest I have this sort of big sister proud feeling you're just so good Greg oh that's so lovely to hear Gabby it's very rare people say that to you know when you know when you're working and sometimes you work with directors and you want a bit of feedback and then just go yeah right

Okay, move on. He go, oh, is that all right? Because we're constantly sort of worried that we're not delivering the goods. He's got to get a bit of feedback, please. Well, there's your feedback. I think you're bloody brilliant. You are such a fine actor, but you also, you bring everything your own edge. And I don't mean that.

I don't mean that that you're an edgy actor. But it's as if you could play the same part that somebody else is playing, but you give that little bit more. Well, I suppose I'd try. try to. I always look for, I like it when there's a sense of danger and whether that's comedy or drama. Because the actors that I admire are ones that you're not quite sure which way they're going to go, which direction they're going to take. So I always try and look for that in a character because it's always a bit boring otherwise if the audience are one step ahead of

you. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, no, I do. So who do you admire then? Well, it goes back to, I mean, I was a big admirer of James Stewart when I was growing up. Oh, my word. He seemed to be somebody that could kind of do anything. You know, he was great at comedy, fantastic at drama. He could break your heart. He could be in a Western. He could dance.

You know, and I don't have all those skills. But he's certainly someone I looked up to when I was growing up. Do you know I didn't think you were going to go there? Didn't you? Where did you think? See, that's what I'm talking about. think I was going to go there, did you? No.

Where did you think I was going to go? I thought you'd go to Brit. Grit. Things like that came later. Like when I first sort of saw David Thuleus and people from the north on the telly. And that was when reality sort of hit. And there was a small possibility that, oh, maybe I could do this for a living. You know, I think with the Jimmy Stewart stuff, it was.

more what an act like a proper Hollywood star when I was watching you know it's a wonderful life and I was a big fan of Harvey when I was growing up. Oh. I didn't it didn't um hit home to me how deep that film was and it's a film that kind of grows with you as you grow up and you gain sort of more life experience because it's quite a dark film as is it's a wonderful life really you know it breaks your heart but there's a certain darkness and an edge to that. Oh they really are.

But that's interesting though because you're talking about you use that word that I said about you, Edge. And all the characters, I mean, I went back and yesterday I was watching bits. Obviously, I've seen you in nearly everything you've done. No, not everything because that would be a bit weird. That would be a little bit stalkery. But I have, and I watched a short that you made and I watched some clips when you were playing Tony Wilson in Soulboy. and I was looking at lots of things. And I just thought, yeah, you have that surprise as well.

I'm going to use that, actually, not just edge, because I think that sounds like I mean that you're an edgy actor and you're not. But you surprise people the way you spin a role. I think you did that with the Doctor Who, and that's why everybody was talking about it recently. That's the thing that we all saw most recently is the Grand Serpent. Oh, yeah. What a spin you put on.

Oh, what a roll. And it was written for you. I know. I don't. I still have to kind of pinch myself when I'm doing interviews. Yeah, because that is just, I mean, it's one thing to be offered a role. It's another thing when the creator sits down and goes, now, kind of right, I've got something for it. And I'm going to write this for you.

What do you want? And I said, well, I just want to sort of, wouldn't it be good to raise somebody? hell and he went okay he's going to race some hell this is going to be fantastic i'm good leave it with me and i just put all my trust in chris and then all of a sudden this part came back to me and uh i thought i can have some real i can go there with this i can have some real fun and you know i'm always quite scared of of of going too big in front of a camera because you know when you're in front of a camera it's like right keep it small keep it truthful keep it believable but wait a minute it this is Doctor Who.

This character is called The Grand Serpent. You know, he's got to have some sort of theatrical energy to it. So I just sort of lifted it and tried to give it a fun but dangerous spin. But yeah, I mean, it was just an absolute gift. It was a joy to go to work, I must admit. I could tell. And also all the interviews that you did around it as well. I mean, it's incredible how the whole thing then rolled into you being the next Doctor Who.

I think he would make a great Doctor Who. But it sort of rolled out of all proportion, didn't it? It's suddenly overtook you. It's as if people forgot line of duty and Doc Cotton. I mean, let's be honest, Gabby, a friend of mine says, you're going to have Doc Cotton on your gravestone. I mean, no one's ever going to forget it. And I'm certainly going to forget it because it kind of changed my life and my career, really.

I've got to admit. But that whole Doctor Who, you know, speculating. they love it, don't know? Everybody loves, loves getting a list together of who's it going to be. And inevitably, it's never anybody on that list. And to be honest, I blame Dermot O'Leary because he was the first one to mention me being the new Doctor Who. I just sort of laughed in his face.

I wouldn't know. It would never happen. And anyway, I'd probably soon be the master, if I'm honest. Yes, yes, yes, yes. You'd make a brilliant master. But also, Jody is a mate of yours. So she'd be a hard act to follow. You would be a brilliant Doctor Who.

But I, yeah, you're right, the master. But also I love the Grand Serpent. I, you know, it just, you could do anything, really. You know what, you could. The Grand Serpents still out there. He's lost somewhere. He's not dead. There's a possibility.

He could always come back and annoy some other people. You never know, Gabby. You know what it's like. So if you speak to, Russell T. Davis, who's now Mr. Doctor Who again, just give him a call and say, you want to come back. Oh, I don't know. I'd be too embarrassed to do that. Shall I do it? I'm going to do it now. Yeah, you do, you do it. I'm going to do it now.

I never kind of push for those things that I think, you know, if you're wanted, then it'll come to you. I'm going to do it. Shall I really leave it later? Please don't. Please don't do that. Oh my God, it's so embarrassing. No, I won't. I said I'm a proud big sister.

I'm not a pushy big sister. No, you're certainly not anything. But you know what, regardless of whether he does come back, what an absolute joy to be involved in that show. And also, at long last, it's something that my son can watch because apart from being the voice of a rabbit on Watership Down a few years ago, He's not allowed to watch anything that I do because it's all a bit adult. Oh, how is Hardy?

I can't believe Hardy's 10. Am I right? Is he 10? Hardy is 10. He is 11 at the end of May. I can't believe the years have gone so, so quick. He's very, very good. He's got into all things anime.

Oh, right. And Japanese. And he's just had his first Japanese language lesson over half term. Oh. Oh my word. So forget your French or your German is going straight into learning Japanese, which I think is a tall order. But if his passion's there, then why not?

I love, I remember when you just heard your baby boy, and I remember speaking to you and you said, it was something along the lines of, you just sounded completely in awe. You said, I've got a baby. I've got a baby boy. Yeah. I still think that now.

Well, I think all parents sort of feel like that, but I remember going out just after he was born, because he was born at home. And I went out at the front door to make some phone calls and let sort of people know that it arrived. I remember looking out and every, like the colours were different, you know, over the countryside where I used to live. And I just think, wow, everything's kind of changed. And everything does change from that moment, don't it as a parent? Everything changes. It ceases to become about you. All your efforts and your passion and your energy is just about somebody else now.

But I'm sure all parents feel like that, I think. Yeah, they do. Do you know what's so weird is? When I was doing more research, I didn't realize how young you were when you came to London to go to school when you went to Mountview. You're only 17, which is only six years older than he is now. Oh, God, that is terrified.

Isn't that weird? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there was times. times when I did think I think I'm maybe too young to be doing this, you know, to be going to drama school, maybe I need a bit more life experience before. And I remember thinking there was an older guy, an older guy, there was somebody who was 21. Oh, very old. I remember thinking, very old. He's old, he's old. But no, I don't regret a single thing. Otherwise, you know, I wouldn't be where I am now. Oh, I just, well, I'm so pleased you did make that move. But you

You didn't have this burning ambition to be an actor when you're very young, though, did you? Because you said it sort of, you saw people and then it crept up on you. So you didn't sit there at five years old thinking, oh, that's what I want to do. To be honest, I don't think so. I don't remember. I remember always wanting to sort of make people laugh and being very chatty. And, you know, I did, I loved the world of acting, but whether I thought it was a possibility. that you could do that for a living so young.

I don't think so. But, you know, there was a... I remember as a teenager when, you know, clocking off was on the telly and everything was Paul Abbott and every cracker and everything was very northern. I just thought, well, this... Actually, this could be an avenue.

I could go down. It was... It suddenly seemed pretty cool to be a northerner and not just in the world of television and, you know, low-budget British films, but the music scene as well, everything was very northern and cool. I thought, I think this is quite a good time to be a northerner, actually. So, yeah, watching Northerners on television

and watching plays that are set in the North, suddenly makes you realise, actually, it can happen for me. In the same way Rob Beckett talks about, he saw comedians who were like him, he thought I can do it. And, you know, Asian actors who say, ah, there's somebody like me, I can do it. we all need that don't we? Yeah, I think it's really important

to be inspired when you're growing up and luckily I had that and you know, yeah, things like stand-up comedy, Rob's right, you know, and Rob came from a very sort of working class background so it's good to know that things like that are a possibility for one so young. Oh, completely, completely.

For you though, your big, break. I mean, you know, you did the bill and Holby and all of those sort of shows, which are great training grounds. I mean, it's television rep, Gabby. That's what it is. It is. But so

important. It's very sad that those two shows that I've just mentioned aren't on anymore. Television's changed dramatically. Oh, absolutely. I was talking to somebody about that the other day on an interview and saying how important the training ground was the bill that you could go in

there and not just for actors but for writers and directors and crew and you could go in there and learn from certainly from an actor's point of view learn how to act in front of a camera and and you could afford to sort of make those mistakes there but yeah it's really sad that it's not around anymore to be honest but there's other things you know yeah yeah but television has changed so dramatically there was a thing recently all over social media where um the national theater were moaning about the fact that the streaming services were taking actors away from the national and nearly every actor that you and I know replied with hello you've never auditioned me and lots of jobbing actors so it's you do get the feeling that the streaming services have changed and

obviously you've been in huge things on streaming services as well do you feel positive about television and film or or and I know you do theatre as well I've seen you in theatre We'll talk about that in a moment. But do you feel differently about television and how it's changing? I feel very positive because, you know, television, you know, yeah, you know, over the years I've dipped my toe in film, but television is where I've kind of learned so much and built fantastic reputations and relationships with people, because that's what it's all about. It's about building relationships and gaining trust with new producers.

and directors and that's where it's been. And now there's so much more, there are so much more, many more platforms. So that means there's more work and there's more reputations to make and relationships. I feel really positive about it, to be honest. And I think with regards to Rufus, the National saying that,

I think he just needs to cast the net a bit wider and not make everything London-centric, you know? Oh, completely. I absolutely agree with you about that. All right. going to obviously talk about line of duty because it would be remiss for not to. I am an OG. Now, as you know, I'm one of those people who when it first started, I can't believe it was 2011. That doesn't really make sense in my head. That's not, I don't understand how that can be

11 years ago. Yeah, I mean, it started super small, very low budget from what? World Productions who I'd worked with in, I think they gave me one of my first jobs. You know, it's independent production company. Which was that? Which was that one? One of my first jobs was a show that World did that was called Attachments. Which was, I think it only ran for two series. It was a, I think it was about an internet startup company from what I remember. And I think I had one scene and I had to go in and deliver a cake.

somebody thought I was delivering drugs oh hilarity ensues because there was a big mix up but yeah I was I was 21 yeah but so to come back and work with them again but all we knew right all we knew at the start that these scripts was some of the finest scripts that any of us had ever read and me and Martin were talking before our audition because we'd we were great friends prior to line of duty because we'd done like two or three films

together prior to that and I rung him up and I said look you've got we even though we were both auditioning for the same part I wrung him up and I said you have to audition for this it's the best script I've ever read and then he read it and wrung me back and he went right will you meet me before and we'll go over lines together because we were both auditioning for Steve Arnott yeah which which was to look back in it now is just like there's only one person that can play Steve and that's Comston you know and then when I was offered Dot, I had to sort of get over my initial slight disappointment, but my joy as well for my close friend who was going to be playing that part and reread it with Dot in mind and went,

oh, this is great. And I get to work with Morrissey, who I didn't know. I get to work with Lenny James, who I was a massive fan. So you've got an amazing cast and a brilliant script, and we had no expectations for it at all. And we just went in there, went to Birmingham, and we all became this lovely family and it was an absolute joy to go to work because it always was on that show, even when we transferred it over to Belfast, it became something else.

But yeah, you know, sometimes you want to forge those relationships at work and you want to get on with everybody, but that just can't happen because it isn't life. But with this, we kind of just struck gold for so many reasons, you know? Yeah, you did. And also the first,

friendships live on you and Vicky and Martin and you know it's so lovely and then you did the podcast the recent podcast and it's there's so much love for that show you'll you'll forever be a part of it I remember ringing you just before what happened

to you I mean there's no spoilers now you know people know what happened to oh god yeah look if they don't know by now then Summit needs to react yeah yeah you just catch up fast because quite frankly I don't care if there's a spoiler because it was brilliant. But I remember ringing you up and screaming because I think I'd interviewed you just before and you said I can't tell you anything. And then off camera you said, look, I said,

what's going to happen? And you looked at me, you went, don't ask me. And then I remember ringing you in real life or leaving your voice message or something, just screaming. Oh, it was just brilliant. And that was another of those moments where I was the super proud big sister. It was, Oh, wow. But then I know it upset you when you weren't a part of it because you said it was tough to watch in the beginning. But then you did the podcast and you were a part of it still. Yeah, I mean, the thing is, if it had gone on any longer,

I think we would have been sort of hoodwink in the audience or taking the audience for fools, which is something that Jed never does, you know. He wants to be one step ahead. He wants to make the audience work for their drama, which is what he does. But it was hard to watch season four, I must admit, because it took me a bit of time

because I was thinking, look, there's all my mates. And they're going into the office, going into the work, and why aren't I there? I should be there. But, you know, it was the right time to go. And it was, I mean, I've had some brilliant exits in films and TV shows, but that has to be up there with the best of them, you know?

It was. It actually was. And if anyone's listening to this, and they haven't seen it, just go back for that alone because it was phenomenal. But also, right, let's tell everybody about how we met. So it was the weirdest thing. So you and I were part of a team of people with lovely Danny Mays. Annie Mays.

Who I just love Danny. I love that you two are still best mates. It's great. Alastair McGowan and Claudia Blakely. And I was pulled in at the last minute to play, unsurprisingly, the middle-class wife of Alastair McGowan. And it was taking place in a cul-de-sac. And it was one of the worst written comedies I think I've ever read in my life. And we did this run-through in Riverside Studios.

And it was about a week or something that we all worked together. But I completely fell in love with you. you and Danny. It was so lovely because we're still all know each other now. But it was the worst thing ever, wasn't it? Yeah, but it didn't matter because we, you know, I was talking about forming friendships and relationships with people and you kind of want to, but we all really did on that. That was the first time I'd met Danny. I'd known Claudia, first time I'd met you and Alistair, but we all just got on with like a house on fire. It didn't, it ceased to become about the script. I don't know if you know. So if you've ever.

YouTube yourself or Googled yourself there's obviously you were in the show with Rob Lo and and oh my god Rob Loe I can't help but go swoonie because of about last night and St. Elmo's fire and oh Roblo of course Roblo but there's somebody from their car filmed you have you seen it no what am I doing you're just walking with Rob Lowe and it says Craig Parkinson and Rob Lowe walking it is so you're obviously filming the scene and somebody's got their phone and I must have watched I think I watched the whole thing and then I watched it again and I was in hysterics for no other reason that it's just random Craig Parkinson and Rob

Low walking in in where were we where was it where did we film I want to say Buxton it wasn't Buxton it was some way yeah Yes, and we were filming it in Boston, in Lincolnshire, of all places. So this was Wild Bill, wasn't it? I mean, you know, you get a phone call and go, do you want to come and do an episode of the show with Rob Lowe? Basically, he's transferred to Boston, but not Boston in the US, Boston in Lincolnshire.

Again, hilarity ensues. I don't think it did. I didn't watch it, but I had a few. nice friends on it my friend tony pitts was there i thought well this will be a nice a nice month away turns out boston lincolnshire not a great place to it's a bunch of boys please tell me rob low was just did you stroke his face because he's one of those people you want to stroke i know it sounds pathetic but he's one of those actors that i think if i was to interview him i just say can i stroke your face please do you think if i said to if i'm doing a scene with ollywood star rob low and a

I said, Rob, do you mind if I stroke your face? I think I was an absolute nutter. His lovely, smooth face. I mean, the gaza still looks like he's 21. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. He's, he's just, he's, I want to, that's, there's other things as well, but it's just the stroking of the face that I think of when I think Roblo.

He's, he's a, he's a very good looking gentleman. That's all I will say about Roblo. Oh, there's so much now I want to ask you. We'll have to edit it out, Gabby. Oh my God! What was he like? He was a gentleman. He was totally fine.

Yeah. Yeah, he was absolutely fine. I think you should host a comedy show, a comedy quiz show, comedy panel show. Gabby Roslyn, you've hit the nail on their head. Yes, I should do that. But can I tell you that doing would I lie to you was one of the most terrifying experiences. Now this was before I started my podcast. So one of the worst things that actors,

so actors, the job only finishes for an actor when they do interviews like they come on your radio show or they go on this morning and have a chat. They don't like it. They really don't like it because they don't really like being themselves. Okay? Yeah. So when I was asked to do what I like to you,

that was the first time I'd sort of been on any panel show as myself. So I was absolutely terrified, but it was such good fun, I must admit. Although I did speak to my dad the next day. And he said, oh, yeah, I saw you on would I lie to you. I went, oh, did you? Was it all right? He went, you looked very nervous.

No, you didn't. Thanks, dad. Thanks for that. I know. I asked other friends. I said, did I look really nervous? No, you look like even a laugh. I went, oh, good, good, good.

Thank you. Yes. No, just, you know. You're dead right. I should. That's exactly what I want to do. I really want to do presenting, Gabby. Do you know? I know, because we talked about this. And you, because you do two shot podcasts, you've really honed it into a, I mean, it is excellent. It was from day one. And I remember you sent me the link to the beginning. And you said, this is what I want to do. And it surprised me. Did it surprise you how much you loved it? It really surprised me, you know, because, I mean, I'm always one for taking. myself out of my comfort zone and trying to learn and put other strings to my bow and expand, you know, and you're never too old to start learning something new. So when I started the podcast,

I don't think it was great from day one. That's very sweet. If you, I don't think it was. No, no, no, no, because you had real conversation. Well, yeah, there's one thing I had a conversation, but I had to learn over the years and it's been like five years now, how to, how to really listen, I suppose and how to be myself but also be a version, a slight version of myself because, and I was always afraid of giving too much away or saying something that was personal. But I suppose that's what connects the audience and that they like hearing stories and about people's lives. And yeah, it has surprised me to be honest how much I love it.

And, you know, I've got, it's only myself. and my producer Griff and we're just really lucky to have great conversations with great guests. I mean, you've been on it as well. I'm very proud that to say that your episode is brilliant. You're very lovely, but you listen, some of the people you've spoken to,

it's not just the superstars like Nicole Kidman, because that calls, you know, a big, wow, he's got you, Nicole Kidman. But I love the chats with, I mean, I love the one with you and Vicky and the one with you and Jodie coma as well. I just, there's a tremendous warmth.

You've got that thing. Whatever that thing is, you have it. But I think you need to come up with a comedy show and put it on Dave. And I think you should host it. I think it's a very good idea. But it's very fashionable right now, isn't it, to have stand-up comedians as hosts. Yeah. So I don't know how cool it would be to have an actor.

But you're funny. known for his drama. I people don't know that I'm funny, Gabby. Don't be silly. This they do. Yes, they do. We'll see. We'll work on it.

It made me mean you should put our heads together and think of some sort of thing. But I want you to come on. You've got to come on. We're doing Gabby's Talking Pictures live in the theatre. And you're going to have to wear once a month for four months at the Leicester Square Theatre. So please will you come and be on the panel? A hundred percent.

I would love that. Game show about films. Perfect. Two things I adore. Okay, well you can choose. Whose team would you like to be on? You can either be on Keith Lemon's team or Emma Kennedy's team. Oh, Emma Kennedy, because one of my first ever jobs,

which was a sitcom with Claudia Blakely that was for BBC Choice. Do you remember BBC Choice? Yes, I do. So it was before it became BBC 3. And Emma Kennedy played my big sister in an episode. Right, perfect. So, yes, Kennedy all day long. And she's super smart.

All right, that's fine. With your, with your podcast and with your acting and with you wanting to be a presenter, I think this is, I think this is a way to go because I think a lot of people, if you pigeonhole yourself, it's very difficult. But do you plot what you do next as an actor? Because you can with your podcast, but as an actor, do you have any sort of?

No, I think it's, I think you want to hide into nothing, really. if I mean you can try your best but this is a business that is kind of out of your control you know you I always say to younger actors you know one of your greatest strengths is to say no to a job if you if you don't feel that this is going to educate you in any way or it's going to be fun or you're going to get something out of it or it's going to be people are going to see you in a different light that just say no because that's the power that we have so it's all about saying yes or no but you know no I I try not to I try not to I know what I would like to do what is that what's that well I want I don't want as he

say I don't want to be pigeonholed no one ever wants to be pigeonholed but you are I mean I as well you know in my early 20s I started out doing comedy because comedy was all I wanted to do so I was doing you know doing workshops with like Simon Pegg and Nick Frost on brilliant scripts. And then I was popping into to do an episode of Black Books or, you know, other bits and bobs. And then all of a sudden you do one bit of drama that everybody sees. And he goes, he does dark and edgy, don't he, right?

Get him in that, get him in that. And you want to see, after I left Line of Duty, the amount of scripts that came through that was all about coppers. And even to this day, you know, up until last year, I remember not turning up. Not turning up, not taking a job because he was a dodgy copper. It's like, no, come on. Everybody will guess that. And I've done it now.

I've done it before. But going back to what you were saying about presenting, years ago, it was like, well, actors do that. Stand-up comedians do that. And radio presenters don't cross over on television. But now, I think everybody can do anything. You can do everything you want and you see it now. I mean, look what James Corden's done is an actor, but now he's a huge talk show host in America.

That's one example. That wouldn't have happened 10 or 15 years ago. Would you go to the States? Would I go to the States, Gabby? Absolutely. No, I don't think so. No, I think that ship sailed. Really?

Oh, yeah. Why? Look, because it would be like, as many actors say, it's like starting again out. there and I'm very happy with the quality of work that I get here and the relationships that I forged you know in my career um it's quite a big up evil I'm 46 next week I'm happy I haven't got the time of the energy to do it thank you darling no I I wouldn't want to do that I think if you're called over if something major happens in your career and it takes you out there like it happened to

my friend Matt Berry that he did what we do in the shadows and that takes him out to Toronto so he's got a bit of a name out there now but that happened for him he didn't seek it out he was very happy doing what he does here and I'm the same I'm very very happy and settled um on British television thank you very much I love hearing that you're very very happy that that actually that really I I hearing you say that is wonderful because that's what you're you you want of your mates, you want to hear them say, I'm very, very happy. I mean, I'm not happy all the time, you know.

No, no, no, I'm not. I'm just right now. Yeah. But right now, yeah, yeah, I'm really happy. And, you know, I feel really fortunate to be able to love what I do. And get to work with brilliant people. Come and now, share. a ridiculous story. I love the story. Now is it Danny or is it you that does the Michael Jackson

dancing? I mean, you two living together. Yeah. I mean that that's that all those stories are for another podcast and an X-rated podcast at that. I don't want those stories. You don't want those posts. Maybe I do. Maybe you do. Yeah, no, it's Danny is the mad Michael Jackson fan. My goodness me is. Did you have party after party after party? we had one party to end all parties um i believe an outside wall may have come down i don't know how that happened there was certain stains in the carpet that never came out and it turns out that um i mean so many so many people still talk about that party and the people still come to me and go I was at that part. I went, I do not remember you being there. No idea. You are brilliant. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's lovely to speak to her.

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