That Gaby Roslin Podcast: Reasons To Be Joyful - Daisy Lowe

Episode Date: March 21, 2022

In this episode Gaby chats with Daisy Lowe. She talks about how her modelling career started, moving to New York as a teenager and her love for her little dog Monty. She talks openly about how she coped with the scrutiny from the press when she found out her birth father is musician Gavin Rossdale, with whom she has a wonderful relationship with. She tells of her incredibly strong bond with her mother Pearl Lowe and why she works so hard to support other women in any way she can. She also chats about her obsession with false eyelashes after her stint on 'Strictly Come Dancing' and how much she adored that experience. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to That Gabby Rosin podcast, part of the Acast Creator Network. This is a very honest and open conversation with a very wise and beautiful woman, Daisy Lowe. She talks about living in New York as a teenager and how she coped with her moments of loneliness there, how she started out as a model at a very young age, and at around the same time, how she coped with the intense scrutiny by the press when she went through finding out that her father was Gavin Rostale, with whom she has a wonderful relationship with. She works so hard to support other women and the way she discusses her incredibly strong bond

with her mother Pearl Lowe is so moving. She chats about her obsession with false eyelashes after her stint on Strictly Come Dancing and how much she loved it, the dancing and the lashes. We also discuss her dog Monty and her partner, Jordan. She is one of the kindest women around who truly wants to do good in the world and I absolutely adore her to bits.

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I know there have been quite a few now. And you'll see the stars where you can tap and rate and also please write a review. Thank you so much. Hello, gorgeous Daisy. Hi, how are you? I'm very well, thank you. It's very sweet.

I was looking up, you know, obviously I've interviewed you before and met you before and know your mom and all the rest of it. But I was doing all my research and the first thing that came up was I love Monty more than anything. Oh, God. How's Monty your dog? How's your gorgeous dog is? He's good. It was 13 years ago that I actually took him on only a couple of days ago. And I'm really impressed that I've kept him alive for 13 years.

That's so funny. I mean, I've never heard anybody put it like that. I'm so pleased I've kept the dog alive for 13 years. Yeah, really. I mean, look, I was 19 when my mum convinced me that I needed him. And he was three months old and the size of my hand. And I've just moved to New York and living out there on my own. And my mum just said, look, you know, you've got no friends.

And you're really lonely here. And I just think the best thing for you is this dog who we had found a puppy. and he wouldn't stop pumping everything in sight, and she just thought he was hilarious. And so we went for lunch to think about it, and then I went and picked him up. And the wave of responsibility that came over my body as my 19-year-old self was unlike anything I felt before or since, actually.

And I'm very pleased that I did, because he is the most hilarious little sidekick. He's not that affectionate, and I kind of force him into cuddles. Is he still humping everything? No, sadly not. He's a bit of an old boy. Although when we go to the park and he finds any male dogs, he doesn't matter what kind of size he will try and mount them eventually.

And he's only little? He's only tiny years. He weighs three kilos. Oh my God. I have a comedy. He's really diddy. A thought of him of the Great Dane, but maybe we shouldn't go there. What was it like being on your own in New York, as your mum kindly put it, no friends and lonely?

I mean, that, what a, I mean, so young to be there in New York on your own. Well, yeah, I mean, I moved there when I was 18, but the funny thing of looking back, I really thought at 18, I knew everything. You know, I really, it didn't. seem too big a dream to want to go there, move there and work in the fashion industry. And the initial six months there were quite lonely and it took a little while for work to actually pick up. But as soon as it did, you know, my world is completely transformed. And actually, to be honest, I ended up living more on a plane than actually in the city

because it's this incredible phenomenon as a model. If you move over to New York, then suddenly you're wanted everywhere else in the world. But I did. I had a really wonderful time. I met some really interesting people that are still very close to my heart. And I managed a few years out there

before getting too homesick and needing to be closer to my family and rooted friends. But still 18. I mean, you must look back and think that was an incredibly bold and bullsy thing to do. I know you were modelling from when you were very young

but then you were talent scout you were 15, 14 or 15 aren't you? Very young. So you'd already been working a few years but still 18 now gosh, it's so young. It is so young. I mean I look at my 15 year old sister and that's

I was 15 when I was signed and 15 when I started I did my first show, I did my first fashion campaigns from 15. And I think, God, actually, I just want to wrap you off in cotton wool. I can't quite believe that I was so kind of exposed. But at the time, it didn't feel like that. It felt very, well, just exciting and very, I was just very present. It was kind of, you know, always was just really up for creating and being part of someone's vision

and meeting some really out there humans and, you know, just really playing, I think. And it just, as an 18-year-old moving to New York, it was, I was getting really antsy in London. And I moved into a flat on my own with my boyfriend at the time and our best mate. And they were, I was just living with two boys and they were filthy and disgusting. And I was so sick of earning the money to pay our rent and, bills and I also used to cook and clean up after them and do their laundry and I was like well I don't want to be everyone's mother I want to go and live in New York and so I signed with an agency over in America who said look the only way that we think this is going to work is if you

come and spend six months here and I just couldn't wait to get out and when I got to New York I went and looked at apartments and the only way of really unless I was subletting was to actually sign on to a year's lease. And I just thought, well, what's the point in only doing six months? I may as well do a year, see how it goes, and then go from there. And by the time I'd been there for a year, everything was sort of fitting into place. And I was really enjoying the adventures of it. So it all just made sense.

Do you know what's so incredible? It's as if, and when I've met you, I would say you've got a very wise head on young shoulders. You must have been like that even at 18. I mean, to move in with a boyfriend and be doing the cooking and the cleaning and looking after people and then saying, right, I'm going to leave this all and I'm going to sign for a year in New York at 18. You must have always, I mean, even as a child, were you always quite grown up? For a wonderful, a better expression. Yeah, I mean, I was always very precocious.

I think I, you know, my mum always brought me up to be very much a lot. alongside her. So I was always encouraged to kind of hang out with her and her friends. And I felt like her friends were my friends actually, from, you know, being tiny. And I think that gave me, well, I really thought that I had my own little wisdom from a really young age. You know, there's like a really funny family story that goes around occasionally when I must have been one and a half and my uncle was changing my nappy and I just said Uncle Nicky you've got it the wrong way round. One and a half.

Yeah. Oh my God. You were destined then. You were destined to 18 to be in New York for a year. I make sense. But loneliness is a horrible thing and actually being able to admit that. Did you admit it at the time? because a lot of people talk about loneliness

after they've been through it and I've got a friend of mine, you know, during lockdown she called me up and she said, I think I'm that word and I can't say it. And then when she said lonely, she sobbed. And she actually, she's your age. She's your age. And but looking back on that,

did you admit you were lonely at the time or is it now looking back you say I was lonely while I was there? I'm trying to think I think I was trying to be very brave because I knew, I didn't want, I always, my kind of number one thing as a teenager and going into early adulthoods, I never wanted anyone to worry about me. I always wanted to have it sussed and sorted. And so I think there was an element of kind of calling home and saying, yeah, no, everything's fine, it's fine. But when it, I think that there was probably a few teary phone calls to my mum, because when I first,

very first moved. I had a couple of friends that luckily lived in the city. A girlfriend that I went to school with was at NYU at the time, so that was very handy. And I come across lovely Sean Lennon and his wonderful girlfriend, Kemp Moore, who's a ridiculously beautiful supermodel, but also they make really extraordinary music together. And they were kind of my three friends. But when I moved, there, my friend from school went off on holiday and Sean and Charlotte went off to Japan for a month. And so I was suddenly left to this kind of month gaping whole post-fashion week feeling really lost and didn't know how to meet people. So I ended up just trawling the streets of New York and I insisted on walking to each and every one of my casting. because I thought, what better way to get to know a city

than just walk everywhere. But I do kind of 10 to 12 castings a day. Come on absolutely record. And come back to this very empty apartment with nothing in it but a mattress and my laptop and just watch loads of DVDs. I just watched loads of DVDs and did loads of castings. And I think I did that for about three weeks,

really monotonously. And just would come home. and watch really sad films and sob. And I think I'm quite pleased that I kind of embraced it. Because as soon as then my friend started coming back into town, it felt like all the lights had gone on again. And I think I invested in guitar hero and found a way to play. That seemed to get brighter.

What is incredible is that even hearing you saying that, I, you just sound like there was a sort of, there is a wiseness about you. Is that, do you think, do you think, like you say you were, you were, because you were around your mum and all of her friends and they were an incredible group of very vibrant people. And also you were, you lived with your grandparents, didn't you, as well. Yeah, I went. Yeah, I mean, look, my mum had me when she was 19.

So I think they just wanted to help her out as much as possible. So I just, I'd go and stay with them and, to give her. a bit of a break, because bless her, she's taking them quite a lot with me. And but then I think it's funny because on one hand, I think I've always had this kind of adult wisdom. But as I get older, I think the more childlike I actually become, like, I love that. And I think especially the clouds are just not welcome. I'm sorry, I know. Yeah, yeah, I know, I agree. I agree. And so I've just taken it upon myself.

As someone who's lived in all black my entire adult life and loved being a bit of a goth, really. I've been wearing as much pink as humanly possible. Yes! Join the pink clan. Good for you. Exactly. And I went and had my nails done about a month ago. I'm just, no, I'm going to have to have them bright pink chrome because I need the sun to be inside. now.

A woman after my own heart. You've made my death. You just had to say that and that's it. We can say goodbye now. Yes, she's gone to the pink side. Ha-rah. Actually, I've always lived in kind of large-scale dolls houses, essentially. Like, I've always wanted lots of pink things,

but I've never embraced pink on my person. So I'm really enjoying that. Perhaps you did when you did strictly. Did they get you out of the whole black thing? Yeah, they got me out of the black thing and actually had to really deal with a quite severe addiction to false eyelashes and it took me quite some time to wean off. You loved dancing though, didn't you?

You absolutely loved that. I remember talking to you then. Yeah, I was, it was the most brilliant job I could have ever done. It's still to this day the best job I've ever had, just to learn how to dance every day. And it's so joyful. And also, you know, having at that point been a model full time for 10 years. And, you know, throughout my career, always being very conscious of wanting to champion real women's bodies

and being curvy and being told that you're curvy, even though at the time I was a size 6 to 10. eight, which looking back is ridiculous. And, you know, feeling like an elephant in comparison to all these stick thin, very wonderful, beautiful in their own way, models. And for the first time in my career, actually being told that what my body was doing was really good and being really proud of what my body could achieve rather than constantly pulling myself apart, really, and going, oh, my God. No, you did good.

Like, well done legs, well done feet. You managed it. And it was just, it was, and I've never really performed before. You know, I've done fashion shows, but it's a little bit different when you're just putting one foot in front of the other. And even then I'd sometimes trip. So then to have to do that in such a, I mean, that was terrifying. That was the worst part of it.

But the rehearsal. Yeah, but you get stage fright, don't you? I remember talking to you. stage fright and I couldn't believe you did live dancing every weekend. Yeah, I mean, I was just really trying to push myself. It was something that I'd always thought, goodness, if they asked me to do that, that would be really lovely. Just because I always wanted to learn ballroom dancing.

And but then I didn't really think about the actual act of the performance and the fact that millions of people are watching and it's live. And yeah, it was just even. thinking about that is like honest Saturday night fever that you know trauma but but I guess it was an amazing learning curve too and I was really lucky they took me on tour and as one of the six contestants that gets to go on the live shows and you know by the end of it you do 30 tour dates and 21 days and by the last four short shows you're playing to a sold out O2.

And, you know, all my career, I would have never, I would have never believed that I could have done that. But because you get into this rhythm and I was just having the time of my life by that point. That's so fantastic. I mean, what with you, your dad being a front man and playing places big as the O2, now you can say, hey, I was a sellout at the O2, dad. I love that. This is extraordinary, though, your time on Strictly brought you to a completely new audience, because, of course, you were a model and people knew you, I mean, for the gossip columns,

which I hate. And that's the other thing that you and I. Oh, God, I hate that. And also, when I was doing my research on you before, I was getting more and more frustrated with Daisy Lowe steps out in a low-cut dress. Daisy, oh, shut up.

Or just, I don't care. Your love life, every, I'm not interested in, it's not our business. That's your business. That must have just,

how on earth do you cope with that? Every single week. I mean, it's mad. Do you know what? To be completely honest, I actually am totally none the wiser. So I made a promise to myself when I was 19.

It was actually, I was dating lovely Mark Brunson as a 19 year old and the stories were just everywhere and it was really overwhelming and I just thought, why am I reading this? Why am I giving power to this? Yeah. Actually, either way, whatever the article,

whether it's a lovely article or a disparaging article, either way it's going to inflate or deflate my ego and it's giving power to that really egocentric part of myself. And I don't want to be a narcissist. And I don't think it's a good idea for me to read into it. So after that, I refuse to, well, I just tried to turn a bit of a blind eye to it. It's not in, and I appreciate that it's part and parcel of being a woman, particularly in this industry. Yes, yes, you're right, right.

And actually we, it's more about, yes, our outfits and our love lives and personal lives or, you know, if we've put on weight or, you know, joyful things like that, which men just get the kudos for what they're achieving professionally. But that seems to be secondary. But then, you know, it also is, I think I got to a space where I realised that I'm always. also privileged because the reason why those things are being written about me is because I've had success in my career and it also gives me a platform to be able to talk about things, especially nowadays through things like social media, about things that I really care about and things that it can bring people towards me for strange reasons. Yeah, no, absolutely.

I don't know, maybe through that they can feel less alone with something that they're going through. who knows. But for me, it was very much about not trying to buy into it. I'll only read things if I've done a specific interview where I want to make sure that I didn't sound like an absolute lunatic or... You don't. No, you don't. But I do think it is...

And you're very much a woman who supports women. And I know you did that with your podcast and you do that with your fashion and you're very outspoken about all of that. But it does... I was being interviewed the other day. and I said to her, why do you always have to put Gabby Roslyn, then my age, and then something to do with, oh, she's kept her weight off since the chuck. What is, what?

I personally don't want to read that about you. And I think you are wonderful, Daisy, and I've said that to your face. But I don't really care whether you're wearing a low-cut dress, whether you, I hope you're very, very happy, especially with lovely Jordan. But it's not my business. And I don't think anybody really wants to read that. We probably want to know what, like me asking you about what was life like in New York and what's it really like to be a model. But it's not our business who you're going out with or what you're wearing or whether you get your boobs out.

I don't care. It's your business. But I think the funny thing is, I guess I was definitely born into, that we were both born into this culture. of, and I think part of me, I've been definitely guilty of it myself going, oh, who's that person? And oh, who's their boyfriend? And then you think, hang on, why am I asking these questions? And it's almost like I've been programmed to want to know about like the real life love island of, you know, modern day celebrities, which is so bizarre. Because then, yes, I don't really, it makes it, it adds a whole new level.

of complication to trying to find a nice partner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, of course it does. And also trying to explain that, you know, Jordan and I met on the heath. I love that story. I love it. It's so cute. But he had no idea who I was and still to this day doesn't really understand.

He's like, oh, okay, I didn't. and trying to explain to him when the first photographs of us were taken, like, you know, two or three weeks into knowing him. And neither of us were really sure what it was between us because we just started dating and to try and then deal with public perception and him having articles being sent constantly from, you know, his school friends to his aunties to, you know. Oh my God.

God, this is so weird. You know, what, why do people want to get a kick out of it? But then I always come back to, well, it's because I am, I guess, through my career, become a public figure. And I think, as you said, strictly took me to a very different audience.

And actually, I have to have, some humility in it that actually I should be very grateful for the position that I take in my career and the fact that people do take a bit of an interest sometimes. But what's nice is that the people, I think, from strictly, and you, like I said, you're very, you're pro-woman supporting woman, you're very passionate about sustainability and fashion. You're very passionate about being happy in your size because you've suffered, as you said, you know, there you were at size six and eight and you were feeling like an elephant.

I mean, that's just so shocking. But now you're so outspoken about that. And that's really important for young girls and guys because we know that the guys have a problem with it as well, of course. And it's so wonderful to have people like you being outspoken that that's a way that you can use the press and social media to not to your advantage, but to the advantage of others. Oh, definitely.

And it's very interesting how social, media can just allow anyone to just send anyone they want a message. I mean, it doesn't necessarily mean that anyone's going to see it. If they've got millions of followers, I'm sure that they don't necessarily. But I do try when I've got time to kind of troll through messages and particularly young girls if they are struggling with weight issues or body dysmorphia or, you know, any of, actually, mental health stuff as well. It's been actually a real privilege to be able to just send little messages

and little things that I've learned along the way, actually person to person, as well as using Instagram as like a proper platform, you know, as like grid posts or stories or whatever. But I think that there is something very powerful in that, sometimes social media can feel like such a mindfield and quite a frightening place actually for me at least but then just trying to find the silver linings of it and that's definitely one of them for me have you always been like that have you always looked for the silver lining and

things oh god yeah i mean otherwise i'll just drown just drown i'm such a sensitive emotional being and I think at my my kind of natural state I am actually a very bubbly, buoyant person but you know I get my dark days and I think my only way I have now a very good toolkit

how to deal with my mental health and definitely one of them is having to find silver linings I think that's that and lots of gratitude and helpful. And you meditate as well don't you Yeah, I still do my tea every morning. Wow. Yeah, I'm not so good at doing the afternoon one and I really have to find a way. In the first lockdown, I was angelic and I did both meditation every day and it was fantastic.

But life just seems to get in the way a bit now. Yes. Well, a lot of people say that about meditation. I mean, I have to say, I'm not very good at switching my mind off. But after I've done a workout, I then do some breathing. and I just go, okay, that's what I'm doing. It's just a bit of breathing. But there are a lot of people that...

Yeah, and that's a lot of people read about meditation and people doing meditation and T.M. Transcendental meditation. And a lot of people speak about it. But it's very funny that I know a lot of people who will... Instantly, I mention breathing, they'll go, oh, yeah, no, no, I do breathing. And if I say, oh, meditation, they'll just look at me and go, I'm not, no, no, no, no.

Not interested. Not interested. It's funny. But it sounds a bit like a kind of new agey, for people who are quite cynical. I think, you know, I've been trying to get my grandma to meditate for a decade and she just won't do it. But I also, yeah, but I was also very, I tried meditating so much before getting into TM and I was terrible at it. The idea of having to clear my mind was such a frightening concept because I've, got a really busy head and I will think about everything as soon as someone says, don't think about anything. It actually gets me more stressed out than when I started. And I'd always, he'd leave going, why did I do that to myself? Because I'm actually so much more amped up because I couldn't do the thing that I'm being told to do. It was incredibly frustrating. And then I learned TM. And what I love about Transcendental Meditation is that actually they welcome, it welcomes your thoughts. So the idea is that you're kind of clearing out your subconscious by continuing to go back to one word, one sound vibration, your mantra that you'll

give them that specific to you. And it was such a relief to think, okay, I'm allowed to think about, you know, what I'm having for breakfast, what clothes I have to sort out for that event, what shoot I have to sort out, that I have to call this person, do that, you know, you know, your mental to-do list. And actually then sometimes it would kind of put those all into order. And actually I'd do the much better having sat down for my 20 minutes as like my little recharge. But there's something very powerful about, even if it's not meditation, if it's even just sitting and stretching or sitting and breathing,

giving yourself just 20 minutes of your day to say, this is, to recharge your battery. I think it's a very powerful tool. You say you've got tools there. So that's one of your tools and looking for a silver lining. And also I've read as well that you feel very passionate about living in the present.

And you said that about your time in New York that you were living in the present. So that's still a very mature thing to do at 18. I'm not going to go back there again. But now in your 30s, you're still, you very much living. in the present, living in the moment. That is it's a difficult thing for people to do. I love it.

That's how I hopefully live. But it's a difficult thing. The past couple of weeks, I've been finding it really hard to be present. So actually, this is a very good reminder to get back to just living in now because I keep thinking, okay, I've got this, this and this to do today. And actually, the anxiety, though, from it is through the roof. It's completely understandable. You know, we went from pre-pandemic

where actually most of us were really very much running on our adrenals and cortisol through the roof and then everything stopped. And I think initially it was obviously really frightening. But when we realised that there was no other way out but through, there was a lot of acceptance. And as long as all of us could keep safe and there, of course, there was so many heartbreaking stories. And I had people close to me that were very ill as well. and there was all of that. But if you took that way, the fact that we all just stopped

and had to be very present. And, you know, I mean, for me, I did the first lockdown with my whole family, which was hilarious. And we've never had the opportunity to all just be at home together. You know, I've never lived in the same house full-time as my 15-year-old sister. And we had just three months uninterrupted.

She goes to boarding school. We would have never had that. that tie you together. Wow. Wow. How was it? Was it okay? It was hilarious. There were no arguments, which was remarkable. We all just really chipped in.

We all had our individual jobs. I was in charge of laundry, which as a family of six, there was quite a lot to get to. And all of our, and every Friday was our cleaning day where we, you know, change all of our best.

and we'd all chip in on the cooking. And we just tried to do something creative every day, from candle making to wreath making to, we had a murder mystery night. We would do life drawing. We did painted portraits. It sounds like I can imagine your mum doing all of it. I mean, your mum must have sort of,

I know it's a strange thing to there, but your mum must have loved to have all of you there. And it was, it was. was really special and we did dance class. You know, we have to start every morning with a dance class, which was hysterical. Oh, my God. Wow. Because it meant, you know, we were thinking, right, well, normally we'd be out and about

and actually exercising just from going about our daily life. So we had to have, and I think also for mental health, the endorphins, when hearing, you know, it was really important. So, yeah, we did a lot of really funny dance. cardio classes. And so it was usually me, mum and Betty, for that. And it was. It was a very special time. And I think also because we had that weather, we were absolutely blessed with it being sunny, which just really helps. And then, you know, obviously then we went into lockdown, I had to come home. I had to sort out my house was being renovated. And it was an absolute

disaster. So I had to come back and sort that out. And then, you know, then we go into lockdown again. We go into lockdown two and three. And we're kind of trying to get through the winter and kind of know a bit of what it's about and how to keep ourselves sane and sorted. I was very much less motivated around the winter and just took up baking every day as a coping mechanism. But there was something about coming back to, you know, everything being quite. quite calm and quiet. And we've gone from that into, okay, catch up, sort it out,

go back to your old life when actually our bodies have sort of not prepared anymore to do what we were putting up. And I don't even know if it was that wise we were running our tanks on empty in the way we were before anyway. You know, I don't know if I would like to go back to being that absolutely catastrophically busy.

There was something very peaceful And I think that now everyone's kind of questioning the way in which we run our own lives and what we really want. And, you know, I think that that's very helpful and very powerful in its own way. But trying to do what we were doing before feels. And people can, even the most joyful radiators of humans, it's still exhausting to be around so many different. energies when we've just been so used to being so calm and quiet for so long. Absolutely. And also, interestingly, because you used to travel all the time for your modelling and your DJing and everything,

that you're now very, I mean, you have been for a long time and has your mum, but you're very passionate about sustainable fashion. You're very passionate about the planet. You don't want to travel and fly as much as you used to. So all of that has changed as well for you. Oh, yeah. I mean, look, it's such a funny thing with, like, a hugely passionate about sustainability, and I'm, I think one thing, a huge silver lining of the pandemic is part of us all stopping was realizing, you know, how much waste we pump out, how much, you know, making more sustainable choices. There were so many incredible businesses that came up through the pandemic because, you know, making more sustainable choices.

people just really wanted to be more conscious of the mark we're making on the planet. Did you feel that? Oh, completely. I mean, I do on Instagram, and I've done for a few years now shopping in your wardrobe. And because I really couldn't bear this whole, for two reasons, I couldn't bear the tap to buy off somebody else's back on social media and keep buying it and buying it and then washing it and all what goes out into the environment we know through washing.

but also the people who went skiing or went to the beach and they bought an outfit from a cheap outlet and then left it on the beach or left it on the slopes. What is that about? What are we doing? And we're seeing the effect of all of that. And if you're going to buy, buy sensibly and buy something you're going to wear again and again and again.

Keep it in your wardrobe. Go and shop in your own wardrobe. It's much more fun. We'll go shopping somebody else's. If you've got a friend to do it with, in fact, I think everybody should maybe come to you and your mum's because you've got this incredible stuff. I must say it is quite extensive.

Although, you know, throughout this year, one of my favorite things is having my little sister come and stay. And every time she comes here, she leaves with a great big bag of things. Because I'll try on a dress and sometimes, you know, we'll get ready together to do something or even just to play, dress up. And I'll put something on, then just. She'll say, no, no, Daisy, it's too short for you now. I don't think you can wear that again.

She's like, oh, I see. And what she really means is, no, Daisy, I want that. Thank you, please, can I have it? Thank you very much. Yeah, that's what she really, really means. And that's what she gets. Oh, bless her. But you've got loads of brother and sisters because you've got your dad's kids as well.

Do you see them as well? Yeah, I mean, I'm all in all the eldest of seven. Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah. And I have five really extraordinary, brilliant brothers and one little sister. And, yeah, my mum has two boys and Betty. And my dad has three boys.

And I, yeah, I love them all so dearly. They're wonderful. And I'm very lucky that I get to be their big sister. I mean, I FaceTime with my brothers over in L.A. at least once a week. Kingston is the same age as better. actually. So then Zuma and Apollo were a bit younger, a bit less

into FaceTime, understandably. But I had the most wonderful time. You know, whenever I go to L.A., I always have the best time with those boys. They're such brilliant kids. I remember your dad from when we were little, rather bizarrely. Because we all, yeah, we all knew the same people

and everybody fancied your dad. But okay, let's just, all my girlfriends, He's fancied your dad. All my girlfriends now still fancy him. It's really, I mean, do you know what? I suppose there's part of me that's just like, yeah, go on, dad. Very proud of you. And he takes good care of himself and he's a good human being.

And, you know, he's very funny and he's very kind and he's got very good taste. Oh, how lovely. He's got a good relationship. you too. I love that he's so supportive of you and, you know, all of that was so public. That's another thing. All of that was just. Yeah, that was really public. Oh, God Almighty. I mean, it's something for you guys to go through, not everybody else. Well, I think it's, you know, there is no handbook for finding out that your, that your goddaughter is really your daughter or that your godfather is your father.

Yeah. And again, I think it's been really crazy this year for me spending a lot of time with Betty, realizing I was her age when all of it came out. God, were you so public. Wow. Yeah, I was 15. And I was actually asked not to tell anyone about what was going on while we were having the DNA test. And understandably, with all my parents being in the public eye,

said, no, let's just keep this really quiet and deal with this as, you know, a private family matter. And then it was all leaked into the press and it turned out that mine and my mum's phones were hacked. Oh, God. Yeah. And so, you know, at school, everyone had been asking why I wasn't myself and I couldn't ever tell anyone. And then suddenly it was plastered over all the papers. Oh, no. Ooh.

Yeah, it was an intense. But again, you know. I'm a really firm believer in that everything happens for a reason. And obviously, I really learn so much from such a young age about, you know, all of that stuff. And it was, I think we dealt with it the best that we could. And it meant that we did have a really rocky start. But we figured it out, you know. And I'm really grateful that we kind of figured it out.

as and when we did, I think, you know, we're super close and he's, I'm really, I'm really pleased. The funny thing was, the moment I found out that he could be my dad, I was like, oh, this makes perfect sense. Oh, really? Wow. Yeah, because I just, we think in the same way, and we have so many quite frightening similarities that it just, and the guy who I thought was my dad, I didn't really know, and

when I'd met him I didn't, I said, I came home and said to my mom, I feel no connection to this man. But didn't question it because I wasn't, you know, as a teenager, I was like, oh, mom, is there anyone else that might be? You know, that's just not something that comes into anyone dead ever. And yet it just made perfect sense. And now when we spend time together, you know, we have the same mannerisms, which is so strange because it wasn't like he brought me up as his kid. just so in his very strong DNA. And he's a really good person to turn to when I need him for sure. How lovely.

And then your mum, your mum's found such happiness. I remember sitting next to her and I just said, you just seem happy. And it's like she sort of found herself. I mean, she's gone through. She's very open about what she's gone through. And it's a lot of stuff for, a like way of putting it, but it's, and she's written about it.

She's lived many alive within one, that's for sure. And she's very open about it as well. Oh, yeah. She talks about it. Yeah, and I also think she, well, she always wanted to talk about it and share it so that other people could find strength in her story and, and her learning curve. And she's now been sober for I think 17 years. Good good.

And she's, oh, she's one of a kind, my mum. And she is, she's absolutely over the moon happy now for days. And it has been for a long time, actually. And she's just definitely the most inspiring human. Like, she's just, she really is. And she, you know, there's real heart and beauty and everything that she does. And that is a real, you know, it's. very special to witness and be part of.

But everything is an event with my mum. Yes. So last time I saw her, which was a few years ago, and we were sitting next to each other, and every single time she talked about you, I've never seen this, her eyes lit up. And she was saying about how you, you just know her soul and her spirit and you lift her.

And it's so lovely hearing you, speaking the same way about her. It's an amazing relationship you have. I mean, you, not only your mother and daughter, you've worked together, you do, you're very much a team. God, that sounds so corny, but you are, aren't you? No, but we are, I think that, you know, it's just reminding me, as you said, that,

of being over lockdown and mum saying, I think I might make a couple of masks out of the fabrics. I'm not selling dresses, obviously no one's going out. And I think it'd be nice to give a percentage of the price, It's the NHS, and I'll probably just sell like 20 or 30. I'm just going to put them up on my website and then have it. And she didn't put a limited number of orders. And suddenly within days, she had thousands of orders.

And then just looking at each other going, okay, how are we going to do this? There's one seamstress. There's like sweet lady in Somerset. Okay, we're going to have to find another seamstress. And then how are we going to package them and send them out? And, you know, so then we had to start this. like factory line of the two of us. Oh my gosh.

Packaging her masks and sending them out, printing off the labels, putting them in the DHL packs, like, you know, just facilitating all these orders, thousands of them. And yes, we are a good team. We do have a real giggle,

and we definitely have a very unique mother-daughter relationship. But then as at its bare bones, that's what it is. It's just, she's a really great. mom. But you're very supportive of other women and when you did your podcast and as I said with your clothing range but you're also very outspoken about women supporting women and yeah I love that you're so passionate about that. But it's so hard because we're so pitted against each other and it's definitely something that all of us have unfortunately inherited because men are taught

healthy competition and women are taught to pretty much fight for men's affections. I mean, at a very base level. And actually, it's so important for us to lift each other up and be champion one another. And it took me such a long time to really figure that out within even my close personal, private circle of wonderful women. but now all of the women in my life very much symbiotic in the way that we support each other and champion one another because I think that that kind of really under the surface deep-rooted kind of envy is so it's really primal actually I think in women and it's something that I think that we don't talk about enough actually and it's like well where does this come from and why do I feel like this?

Oh is that because I'm I need to work on that in my own life actually maybe this is just a mirror and I'm being shown that I want a bit of what that person has and how do I get that rather than it being anything to do with that other person of anything they can be an inspiration. You are like I said very very wise you are you are no you are very wise Always in this podcast, we always ask what makes people completely belly laugh that lose it giggling. And every interview that I've watched, every time I've met you, you love a giggle. What makes you properly laugh? I do. I need a giggle. Oh, so much stuff makes me giggle.

But my other half, Jordan is absolutely hilarious. He makes me barely laugh and get on the floor. And even when I'm in a really foul mood and the last thing I want to do is smile, he will make me belly laugh and it's actually really annoying in those moments where I just want to be cross and Monty makes me absolutely piss myself. The other day I had had a really rough day and I was not feeling myself at all and you know in those moments when you just think I just need something like I need a break I need something to just make me smile. And at that exact moment, Monty catapulted himself onto my little puff that I had in front of my couch in my living room. And as he kind of pushed himself off into the air,

he farted. And it was like this very ablution and sort of propelled him into the air. I just fell on the floor. Farting makes everybody, you know, I think it was Lee Mack, we were talking about it in the podcast, saying that just fart, farting sounds, just makes. It's very base, but it's funny.

It's very base, but it's funny. But for Monty, he's always very silent but deadly. So for him to actually make a noise, it was like he knew that I needed him to just do something spectacular really. Your tiny weenie dog farting because he jumps off your puff. There we go. That's the way to end this.

Daisy, bless you, my sweet. Send your mum, my love. And keep being wise and looking after others because that's what you're about. That's what you're there for. Well, thank you. And you, I mean, goodness gracious, you're one of the greatest when it comes. to that. So it's a real joy to get to speak to you, Gabby. You're a wonder woman. Well, I feel the same about you. Just so happy you do what you do. Well, thank you. We all need you. You're too lovely. Thank you, my darling, girl. Thank you.

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