That Gaby Roslin Podcast: Reasons To Be Joyful - Iwan Rheon

Episode Date: December 6, 2021

In this episode Gaby chats with actor Iwan Rheon. Known throughout the world as Ramsay from 'Game of Thrones', he chats all about the show including the infamous scene that his mum hasn’t watched and how it feels to be the villain in one of the biggest TV shows ever made. They talk about his other shows including 'Misfits', 'Grandma’s House' and his wonderful performance on stage in 'Spring Awakening'. He can now be seen in Sky’s new Christmas film, the gorgeous rom-com 'A Christmas Number One' co staring Frieda Pinto. The film is available on Sky Cinema and NOW from 10th December. He also shares his love all things Welsh and how important the Welsh language is to him. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to that Gabby Rosin podcast, part of the A-cast Creator Network. The very lovely actor, Yuan Rion, is my guest this week, known throughout the world as Ramsey from Game of Thrones, and yes, of course we talk about that show, including that scene that his mum hasn't watched, and how he feels about being the bad guy in one of the biggest TV shows in the world. We also chat about his other huge shows, including The Misfits, Grandma's House, and his wonderful performance on stage in Spring Awakening. He can also be seen in the new Sky Christmas film, The Gorgeous Rom-com, A Christmas Number One,

co-starring Frida Pinto. The film is released on Sky Cinema and now TV from December the 10th, 2021. We also talk about his love of all things Welsh and how important the Welsh language is to him. He is such a lovely guy, and I had a big smile on my face throughout chatting to him. I do hope you enjoy. Please can I ask you a favour?

Would you mind following and subscribing, please, by clicking the follow or subscribe button. This is completely and utterly free, by the way. And you can also rate and review on Apple Podcasts, which is the purple app on your iPhone or iPad. Simply scroll down to the bottom of all of the episodes. I know there have been quite a few now. And you'll see the stars where you can tap and rate and also please write a review. Thank you so much. Iwan Rion, hello and welcome.

And do you know what? I think every single friend of mine wishes they were sitting here with me. Real, really? Yes, they really do. So it's just me and you and they're not here, but they can listen. So first of all, first of all, okay, is this true or is it an urban myth that your mum wouldn't watch game? of Thrones. It is absolutely true, yeah.

Absolutely. Now, is that because you wouldn't let her? Or did she did not want to? I think she just didn't. Well, I think she finds it hard to differentiate me from my characters, obviously, because she's just seeing her little boy playing these parts. So she found misfits quite hard because everyone was mean to Simon. And then when Game of Thrones came around, I was like, just don't watch this one.

You really can't watch this one. So she hasn't watched it. I mean, I feel for my mum, there's not an awful lot I do that she can watch. Oh, she must have seen Spring Awakening. Please tell me she's on that musical. Of course, yeah. She saw Spring Awakening, yeah. Yes.

But she found that very distressing. Oh. It's beautiful. My character committed suicide in the second act. Pretty hard. Yeah, you're quite right. Oh, dear. What's your mum's name?

My name's her name? My name's her name's Eynir. Eynar Thomas, yeah. Oh, what a beautiful name. Okay, Eynir. I hope we're going to be able to talk about some. When you listen to this, Aeneer, you can be very proud of your son, but actually you're quite right because I was going to talk about Simon and your invisibility. I was going to, okay, you're going to like some of it, Aeneer, so just enjoy, just enjoy some of it.

But for Game of Thrones, does she know what happens, what happened to Ramsey? Does she know that bit that everybody always says, oh, that bit. You know, that was, you know, that bit. That bit. You know the bit. The penis bit. Let's just say it. Oh, that bit.

Does she know that bit? I don't know if she knows that bit. National. Yeah, now she will, yeah. But I mean, just for the... It's somebody else's. Don't worry, ma'am. No, I don't know.

My dad's watched it. So I don't know whether... What did he say? Well, he, I mean, he just sort of thinks it's all a bit funny, but I think for him it's a lot easier to differentiate and just to know that it's a character, it's not, it's not their son doing it, you know what I mean? It's a lot easy for them, for my dad.

But my mum just finds it difficult. Also, I don't think she doesn't like violence in general anyway. So I don't think Game of Thrones is for her. Okay, another, another urban myth you've got to tell me whether this is right or wrong. Is it true that you weren't actually allowed near the dogs who killed you. Sorry, spoilers if people haven't seen it, but you weren't allowed near the dogs. Is this also an urban myth or is this true? This is true, yeah. Well, yeah, to a degree that they were like properly trained dogs, kind of like guard dogs. So they weren't, you know, like friendly dogs.

I think was it season four, we had there was a, or maybe season five, I can't remember, there was a scene where Ramsey was hunting with his dogs and the dogs. The dog, and the dog, were there and I turned up and it was like oh hello dog he they were like don't look the dog at the eye because these were like real you know they only listen to their trainer they don't recognize anyone and any eye contact they see is threatening so yeah we so in terms of filming the the that last scene yeah I wasn't allowed anywhere any of them really yeah it was just it's just even though it was actually my last scene I was they were kind enough to to spare me from

these vicious dogs yes it was all siege i think they may have been one shot where there was one in the deep background but that was it wasn't known anywhere near him oh my goodness and i've got to find out i don't have any other true or false things to ask you i'm gonna actually make one up you're not gonna know is it true that you really can turn yourself invisible uh unfortunately that is not true oh no it's a lot of people think that but uh no no i it's not of people think that but uh no no i it's not It's not one of my many magical powers. Oh, you do have other magical powers. Oh, tell us one that you've never,

which are the magical powers? Well, I can't tell you because, you know, I'm actually a superhero on this night. And it would kind of give away, you know, everyone, everyone had to find out about all my, you know, they'd know. They'd just know. Yes, of course, because superheroes have to keep quiet about their superpower.

Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I know you can fly, can't you? That's what it is. Maybe, maybe. You're never going to tell me. So actually it's very interesting. When I was doing all my research and going through everything, I did see you.

First of all, I mean, I loved Grandma's House, and I know Simon and Samantha Spiro, and I thought Grandma's House was brilliant, but also seeing you in Spring Awakening, the musical. And I loved that show. And we're going to talk lots about music and, of course, about your new film, Christmas number one.

But can I take you back to Spring Awakening? because something actually happened where you couldn't go on for the previews, could you? Yeah, yeah. It was a, I really jarred my lower back in the penultimate dress rehearsal. It was just one of those where I just, you know, I was just, it was obviously very nervous about opening and stressing about that and I was a bit tense. And I did this big jump and I had to twist to look behind me. But I didn't land properly first and I sort of twisted.

whilst landing and my back just went. I just felt it go. Yeah, it was really, really painful. So yeah, I missed the first five previews, which was obviously heartbreaking when you've been rehearsing for six weeks and you're ready to go. So actually, the first preview night,

I was having dinner with my parents because they'd come down to see it. So we were just shaking in this restaurant. It was pretty gloomy. Oh, no. Yeah. And my friends, had to give me a lift to the restaurant because I couldn't really walk there even though it was like

yeah it was pretty bad but with a lot of physio and stuff but yeah and then I actually went on I went went to see see it twice um that must be weird yeah it was really weird it was but it was also really beneficial because I got to see where I kind of fitted in and I got to see the whole spectacle of it and the lights and everything which you don't really get the full scale of when you're in it because you're a concentrating on what you're doing in your part but you don't get to see the whole thing. So it really actually helped me in a weird way. It was kind of a blessing in disguise even though I would have much preferred to have gone on. But yeah, but luckily it was only five previews and I probably shouldn't have gone back on when I did but it was just kind

of I really have to go on now. It's otherwise I'm not going to be ready for the press night and and for the run and so I just kind of loads of ibuprofen and just got on with it but... Doctor Footlights as they say Yeah yeah

an old doctor theatre came into play but yeah but it was it was pretty yeah it was all yeah it's a long time ago now it was very how long ago was it

I was trying to I remember coming to see it I saw it twice absolutely loved it we opened it we opened at the lyric in 2009. Why, it's not that long ago.

Yeah. Oh my word. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2009, yeah. We went, yeah, that's when it was not, that's when we were on, yeah. I remember being with my singing teacher and she had the school there and she was going on and on because I think she had done the run throughs, the workshops and everything for it. And she said, you were going to go mad for this show. I don't know, maybe she worked on it.

I think she might have Mary Hammond, but it was, yeah, yeah, it was just, it was wonderful. And it's musical theatre. Obviously, Christmas number one is all about music. And I know you have your band and you do, you know, on Instagram you're very busy doing playing songs, which I love. But would you go back and do more musicals? I've got one in mind, which I'm going to say to you, that I think you should do. Oh, yeah. I was never sort of, I've never been big into musical theatre or it's not been something that I've ever, I've ever really thought I would do to be honest.

And music and acting were always very separate things to me. I was found that I was felt that music was, you know, it's kind of mine and it's something that I do. And I mean, and then acting was, I didn't really want to mix the two worlds. But I haven't done a musical since. but spring awake wing was very different musical it was more of a it was more of an acting piece really and because the way that the music worked with instead of it being like the traditional kind of taking the story forward through a song it was actually the inner monologue of the characters and that was really interesting and the songs were quite rocky and it specifically suited my voice and because I'm not a trained dancer or singer so yeah it kind of yeah it fitted

into me but yeah but yeah music's always been something quite separate oh that's interesting because I really I mean there are two shows that I think you would be fantastic in I if I was a casting director I'd be jumping at it but um one is a Jesus Christ Superstar and the other one is rent because I think you'd be great in both of those well maybe you'd have a note one day they're listening those musical theatre gods listening. I just think, I mean, I'm a huge musical theatre fan, so I just think that it's moved on so much. Do you know what I mean? It's just some, I don't know, I love it. I love it, I love it. Okay, so away from that, let's talk about you and your music, because that's what you are as well,

as you say, you like to keep in the separate, but sing a songwriter and you, have you got, you, you were produced now, I'm only one degree away now from Kevin Bait. You were, uh, you were, uh, produced by Kevin Bacon, weren't you? Yeah, I worked with him a lot, Jonathan Quomby, yeah. For the three EPs I did, yeah. In RAC studios, it was wonderful. We can't just, you can't,

you're not going to give me just that little bit. I want to know more about working with Kevin, Kevin, you know, six degrees of, you know, Kevin Bacon. I'm now one degree away because I'm talking to you, and you worked with. Not the actor Kevin Bacon. Oh, I thought it was the actor Kevin Bacon. No, no, he's a music producer Kevin Bacon.

Oh, yeah. They have the same name. He could pretend. We could just pretend for the, you know, we won't edit that out. I don't mind that I got made a mistake, but let's just pretend you were with Kevin Bacon doing an album. Because he's a musician as well. Yeah, yeah, he was there, you know, he was a fantastic producer, lots of wonderful ideas. Yeah, I mean, I don't think he knew work.

what he was doing there. And of course he's very busy. But yeah. I think they managed to convince him to do it saying that he was playing a producer in a movie. Oh, that's what it was. And this was the rehearsal. Yeah.

And he really gets into all the technicalities of his role so he learned how to use all the equipment and stuff. That's what it was. Yeah, and Kevin, yeah. I don't know, I mean, I don't know where he thought the cameras were. But yeah. But they were hidden.

They were hidden. Yeah. That's what he thought he must have. Yeah. And of course he was dancing everywhere, wasn't he? He was. Yeah, he really got involved, yeah. I wonder how many times you're Kevin Bacon, people have done that to him.

Oh, it must be all the time. Will you apologise to him that I did it? I will. Thank you very much. But you're going to still do more music. You're still, you're ever writing, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah. I think, well, I did an album in 2015.

And I felt, yeah, and then haven't ever really played it live and stuff. It's really weird. But it's just that the acting and the, I find the acting in musical don't really mix together very well. Because it's more of a planning thing with music, whereas acting seems to be, it can be very immediate. So no matter what I've planned, it can just get ruined in a, you know, in a week, basically.

And it happened a couple of times. And it was just not really fair on the musicians and stuff. that they, you know, because they're booked, you know what I mean, and they may have turned down other stuff. So I kind of thought, I just, yeah, just sort of didn't do it. But then I've always been writing. So I've written a bunch of songs and I would love to record, really.

But yeah, and then with this Christmas number one film, Guy Chambers was doing the music for it. And he just sort of said, look, have you forgotten it? Because Blake, my character plays, writes the song and he and and Guy Chambers

sort of asked if I wanted to write it with him and so I just wrote down some stuff that went in and actually did it and it was really cool and that's fantastic so we yeah I wrote this song and then and then we worked on it together and he put his sort of Guy Chambers magic to it and

then we recorded it and that's that's the song we're using so it's kind of it gives a a real sense of authenticity to the film, I think, that it's kind of that the actor who plays the character who wrote the song actually wrote the song, which is great. You see what you keep saying about your music and acting, don't come together. We've talked about a musical that you were in,

which I thought was superb, and now you've actually written a song that with Guy Chambers, as you say, he is quite magical with his words, but it's come together again in your new film. Yeah, yeah, it's, this, I think I'm less sort of precious now about the music side of things than I used to be in my youth. And perhaps I've matured, I don't know. But yeah, I just thought, I mean, this would, this, I've been looking for, like a rom-com for ages, really,

with, you know, the whole Ramsey Bolton thing in mind and, you know, and trying to do different stuff. Put him away. Yeah, and I don't want to be typecast, and, you know, It's just this one part. I never really plays a villain like that. You know, this isn't something that I even considered that I was good at. Or that I never saw my career going in that direction to play this, like, mad villain. So it's kind of surprising to me when people associate me so much with that

because I just, you know, it's just not what I feel I do. But you're an actor. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, now I get that. So I've got to try and look for other things and it's something that I've been talking with my representation, my team and stuff about for a while now

is looking for that right kind of, a rom-com is the word we've used. And to sort of, you know, to really take myself out of that. And this one came along and it's absolutely, it's exactly the perfect thing for me because the character I feel I can really identify with, especially with the stuff with a boy band singing, the song that he's written and, you know, butchering it essentially and he, and I can really

empathise with that and how, you know, and, you know, doing all that riffing stuff that singers, modern singers do now, you know, that, like talent shows and where they don't actually sing the actual song, they just sing a bunch of notes and roughly within the key of the song. And I find that very annoying as well. And so does Blake, so I found that quite easy. So, you know, that's really interesting because all the musicians, I'm I know, it drives them mad because they always say that's not singing. No, it's just showing off. They put the hands off and they go, woo, yeah.

Yeah, it's just showing off. And it really annoys me and they always say, oh, I'm singing this with my grandfather who sadly died and, you know, he'd love this song. He's like, well, actually, I think you'd hate the way you're singing it. Because you're not singing the song that he loves. You're singing something else. You just, yeah, and, you know, obviously there's a space for a bit of riffing, man.

You know, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you can't. But, you know, not in the first verse. You've got to sing the melody. Like, surely, otherwise. Like, you know, what's the song you're singing? But anyway, that's my own personal. So do you sit at home with your baby on your lap just saying, no, that's not singing?

Are you one of those sort of dad? I will, yeah, yeah, certainly, yeah. Well, you know, because I just think it's something very important to sing the notes. And it's like, you know, if somebody's written a song, you should sing the song they've written. I completely agree with you. So working on this film, as you say, you were looking for a rom-com. Isn't it funny how some people have this idea that they're slightly derogatory about them? I will always go rom-com as first choice, I have to say, because there is something that they do to us.

They get us in our heart. They make us smile. They make us laugh. They make us feel better. And a Christmas number one is one of those sort of films. I mean, it's perfect because it's connected with Christmas, which is what we all need and what we all crave, especially after the strange couple of years that we've all had.

So it just, to me, it's a puzzle that puts together so perfectly. And as you say, you were looking for something like that. A Christmas number one couldn't be more perfect, really, could it? no yeah yeah it's one of the other reasons i felt like i really wanted to do it that um i think everyone could really do with a laugh and and just to get to watch something that they can just you know forget about everything that's happened just for even if it's just for an hour and a half two hours and uh and yeah and get that that wonderful feeling that the rom-coms are so good at doing it and at a christmas one and um yeah it does it really does do that and it and it also it can you know it's very

tragic in many ways and but also it we try to stay away from it becoming too sentimental it was very much something that that chris the director wanted to um to avoid um because it can it doesn't he doesn't want it to be like you know it can so easily yeah yeah it can so easily go down that route um but it's kind of absurd in many ways because we have this boy band in it who are just absolutely ridiculous but absolutely perfect and and blake's band who's who are this like you're like extreme metal band are hilarious and ridiculous in their own way and Guy wrote all the music for them and it's hilarious. They've got some great songs and yeah, so it kind of does that for you and it's very, you know, it's very tragic in many ways. But you know, you do get that. Hopefully you, well,

I read it, I got that that sense of hope and that warm, fuzzy feeling. That's what you'll want. We really do. I mean, I'm a, I love a Christmas film. But, only when it's time to watch a Christmas film. I'm one of those people that when people say in July, should we watch a Christmas film, I'll give them that look. You know that, you know the look. You know that look. Yeah, yeah.

Which is your go-to Christmas film then? You have to choose one, only one. I think I'd have to go with Home Alone, but just purely for nostalgia and just remember when it came out, and I'm old enough to remember that, unfortunately. and yeah, it's just, yeah, that's just the film. You know, whenever, if you're flicking and that's on, you watch it like, do you know what?

But would you want, you wouldn't watch it in July, would you? Oh, no, no, no. Oh, good. No one would be mad enough to put home alone on in July, would they? Even I was worried for a moment. I'd like to share one with you that I think I don't know if you've seen, but I'd like you to give it a go if you haven't. So I'm going to just say elf.

Have you seen it? I don't think I have seen it. No, I don't, I don't, I don't, yeah, I don't think I haven't seen, who's, Will Ferrell? Oh, yeah, no, I haven't seen that one, no. I'm familiar with the poster, but, uh, oh, you've missed, you've really missed something there. I don't know how that's happened, yeah, I'll have to give it a what, this year, this year old. Do you like comedy? You like comedy?

Yeah, I love comedy, yeah. You've done comedy? Grandma's house? Yeah, grandma's house, yeah, that was, that was fun. It was a lot of fun. Oh, he's, he was. So clever, Simon Amstall. Yeah, he's really clever.

Yeah, and really lovely as well. Yeah, I really enjoyed working with him. See, is that something else that you would like to do more of, more comedy? I know there's laughing in a Christmas number one, but would you like to do full-on comedy? Yeah, I'd love to do a bit more. Yeah, definitely like a situation comedy. I did one a few years ago called Vicious and... Yes.

But that was more traditional live studio. Yeah, with a bunch of... Two gods! Yeah, absolutely. Francis de la Torre as well. Three gods. Yeah. It was a real, real crazy period of my life going from Ramsey Bolton to Ash, you know, in

between seasons of Game of Thrones. Yeah, yeah, I was doing them both at the same time. Oh my word. But yeah, I did, I was cast as Ash before season three of Game of Thrones had come out, which is my first season. and Gary Janetti says who wrote it he says it's really lucky that

because he would never have been able to consider me for Ash if you had seen Game of Thrones but luckily I'd already been cast and we'd potentially filmed had we filmed it maybe we'd probably already filmed just before that season came out so yeah it was a bit of fortune there but yeah otherwise I wouldn't have got to work

with absolute legends there but that was like a live studio audience feel which was great fun to do and it's such a shame that that's not really a thing that people do anymore but um why don't they yeah i mean obviously obviously we couldn't recently but why don't they do that again i mean there you were with seria mckellan and and and derrick jacobie and francis del at all i mean sir derrick jacobie or derrick and ian but but there you well, in front of a live studio audience doing this show that captivated the heart of everybody and everybody's giggling about, there should be more shows like that.

Yeah, it was, it was really weird. They kind of got shunned a little bit by sort of the modern comedy scene. And I think because they felt it was like, you know, and people use this too much canned laughter on it, but there was no canned laughter on it. It's an audience of people laughing, you know, because it's funny. and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. And I grew up watching these sitcoms like Blackadder and Faulty Towers and... Brilliant, yes.

Father Ted and stuff. So it kind of is very much part of my comedy upbringing. So, yeah, I mean, I loved it. It was so much fun to do because we got to rehearsal a week. You know, it was a week of rehearsal on the episode. You rehearsed an episode. So I got to go and rehearse with these absolute legends and learn from them and be a part of the company with them, which was just an absolute honour and a dream.

You know, I was just the luckiest actor in the world and then get to go on and perform with them, you know, for a night. Yeah, it was absolutely incredible. Great part of my life. Do you know, we're talking now about comedy. So I always ask in this podcast, every single one of my guests, what makes you properly giggle and what makes you properly belly laugh? So I'll ask you that question.

What makes you properly laugh? Well, it's usually not being allowed to laugh, isn't it? Like, you know that thing? Yes, yes, me too. I'm terrible for it as well. I was always the kids in school and in drama school and everywhere that gets caught laughing. You know, and you just can't control yourself in it. And I'm terrible for it.

So someone does something funny, I get caught laughing, I get told off. It was always my, that happened to me all the time. And also it's like, like I'm terrible for, well, even in Spring Awakening as we were talking about it, we um i think i tried to make nigh corpse once uh on stage and ended up corpseing myself um and i learned then don't do that again because you're rubbish at it i'm terrible for coerpsing and misfits was an absolute nightmare for me to it was just yeah because that i had to say all these super serious lines like film reference these really geeky film reference lines and and And with such sincerity,

um, uh, you'd have like Robert Shean or Joe Gilgan in my face like just being hilarious. And I think probably in the edit, you know, when they were editing it, the only, the take that made it into the cut would have been probably the only take where I

wasn't laughing. Um, but they all got onto the fact that they could make me laugh. That was the thing. And, and it was a nightmare for me. I had to like punch myself in the leg and bite my tongue and yeah, yeah. I was laughing so much because it's funny.

And so, you know, the absurdity of the situations. And I've got a bit better at it. But, yeah, except this year I did a film and I played papagano in the magic flute. And he's, you know, he's kind of like a funny character. So because I would, I think it's something to do with, because I have to like maintain this not laughing thing, then they, then I find it much harder because he was kind of funny and giggly anyway. it didn't make me laugh. So I could then start to make other people laugh,

which was good fun. There's nothing better though, is there? Laughter is... Oh. Are your parents, was home like that? Yeah, yeah, we laughed a lot. Yeah, definitely, yeah. And, you know, always comedy, you know, brilliant comedy.

And, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, there's nothing like it, is there? We all need a bit more of it. Oh, we really do. I absolutely love it. Anyone makes me laugh. That's it. I'm in love.

But can I just take you back again to your family? When you started out in the Welsh soap and I'm not even going to try and say it because I've said it incorrectly and one of my closest friends is her first language is Welsh and she always just gives me that look when I say it. I run her up to check the pronunciation of your name as well.

She must have done this about 10 times but she kept saying no, it's Iwan Rion. I was like, okay, okay. But you started out in the Welsh soap. your parents must have been unbelievably proud. There's something your parents could watch. Yeah, yeah. It's Pobolikum.

Yes, but I always say it wrong. Say it again. Pobulikum. Pobolikum, yeah. Pobelikum. Yeah. Yeah, it was great. And also my parents were sort of instrumental in the fight for the Welsh language

when they were in their student days. Oh, tell me, tell me. Yeah, well, you know, they campaigned for a Welsh language TV. station, like they were, you know, they were a huge part of that when they were, when they were students in Bangor. So, and, and throughout their, you know, their lives, they've always been a huge part of them. So to get to be in, on, you know, to have their son on it, must have been made them incredibly proud, hopefully. And yeah, it was great to get to do that. And, you know, and my mom could watch that, yeah. But obviously, she didn't, she didn't know what I'd go on to make.

You know, I was 17 and I was still in school. Yeah, so it kind of, yeah, it was great for them to get to, there I got to, you know, to be in that flagship show really on S-WC. So your first language, your Welsh is your first language. Do you dream in Welsh or do you dream in English? Both, yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, sometimes, yeah, both.

It depends, really, yeah. but it very rarely happens that you're speaking to someone who doesn't speak English and then they start speaking in Welsh to you because that would be really weird but yeah no it depends yeah a bit of both yeah I think it's such a wonderful thing and I think it's so important to keep these languages alive we spoke to lovely Luke Evans in the last season of this podcast

and we were talking to him about it as well and I think it's the most beautiful language and I think as somebody who was born and bred London and I come from England, I think that we should all learn more about all the regional languages that are around. You know, there's still Cornish that's around that I don't, I, what do I know about it? And it's really bad because I think it's important to keep all of those alive and up in Scotland and obviously Welsh, it's important. Yeah, I think definitely and and with Welsh and, you know, it's essentially the original Celtic language as an ancestor of

what everyone would have spoken of various dialect of when the Romans arrived, you know, and that, so to lose something like that, you know, we lose essentially our sort of, like the British Isles heritage, you know. So yeah, and especially for Wales, because, you know, all, it's all, it's so important for us to have our language because of our culture is sort of in that, you know. So, yeah, it's something that I feel very strongly about. Yeah, definitely. Keep saying it, keep speaking it and keep it alive.

But it's ever-changing, though, isn't it? Because you do get new words that come along, which is also lovely. Yeah, yeah, of course, yes, it's got to continuously be modernised. So, yeah, it's, and yeah, I think there's like a little room somewhere of people who have to come up in new words or translate English words into Welsh. I know, there's always one that everybody does. and my friend, Sean Ed, she always says, no, no, please don't use that one as an example.

So I'm not going to, which it's always one there. I know exactly what you're going to say. Yeah. We're not going to go to that item in the kitchen. No, we're not going to go there at all. Okay. So for you now, so Christmas number one, that's all done and it's out.

And it's very exciting having a Christmas movie out there. So it's the next thing. Is it going to be acting? Are you going to go and head into the studio to do music? I'd like to do some music. I've got nothing planned. So I don't know. I'll see what happens really, I think, with that.

And I need to get on that, really. But definitely, I'd be doing some more acting. And well, hopefully, I mean, at the moment, you know, hopefully everything stays as it is. And I don't really like talking about things in the future because with everything that's happened, it fills me with dread. But I'll be doing a bilingual TV series.

so, which is lovely, so I get to go back and do some acting in Welsh for the first time in over a decade, should we say? And yeah, I'm really excited about it. It's another thing that I've really been looking for for a long time now and wait for the right project to come along where I can go back and do some Welsh acting. Oh, how fantastic. Oh, well look, good luck with that. I don't, how do I say that in Welsh? How do I say good luck? How do I say good luck? Pophoil. Popol. So there we go.

Popol, Iwana, Leon. Thank you. What an absolute pleasure to speak to you. Really, really has been. Thank you very much. Congratulations on the new film and all that you've done. And I do, do you know what, it will always be that people will bring up Ramsey because, no, because it's something that you created, but I hope that one day you learn to love the fact that people bring it up.

up and just say, wow, yes, that was one of the things that I did, because it is only one of the things you did. I mean, you know, we've, we've talked about misfits and spring awakenings and and grandma's house and, we haven't spoken about Marvel in humans, you know, and Riviera and all those other wonderful things, but it's, it will forever be with you, but I hope you learn that people mean it as a huge sort of loving way when they talk about it. Yeah, yeah, I could only take it as a compliment, you know, that's the only way to take it, yeah. Yeah, please do. Thank you so much, my lovely.

Well, I enjoy to speak to you. Thank you. Yeah, lovely talking to you too. Thank you. Thank you so much for listening. Coming up next week, Jamie Cullum. That Gabby Roslyn podcast is proudly produced by Cameo Productions, music by Beth McCari.

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