That Gaby Roslin Podcast: Reasons To Be Joyful - Joe Lycett

Episode Date: February 14, 2022

In this episode Gaby chats with comedian, presenter and writer Joe Lycett. He talks about how important it is to try and make a difference in the world which he does with great aplomb on his Channel 4 show 'Joe Lycett’s Got Your Back'. He discusses his 'Who Do You Think You Are' episode on BBC1 and how emotional he felt at the end of filming. He enjoys the silly side of life and confesses he’s more famous than he’d like to be, plus he gives a real insight into his creative world. He wants to do what he can to make this planet a better place and cares passionately about it. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to that Gabby Rosin podcast, part of the Acast Creator Network. My guest on this episode is Joe Lysett. He's a comedian, presenter and campaigner. We talk in such depth about his beliefs and his life. He talks about how important it is to try and make a difference in the world, which he does with great aplomb on his Channel 4 show, Joe Lyset's Got Your Back. We chat about his Who Do You Think You Are on BBC One and how emotional he felt at the end of filming. He thinks he's more famous than he'd like to be and gives a real insight into his world.

He wants to do what he can to make this planet a better place and he cares passionately about it. He also believes that being silly is a positive thing, which I wholeheartedly agree with. I hope you enjoy. Please can I ask you a favour? Would you mind following and subscribing, please? By clicking the follow or subscribe button. This is completely and utterly free, by the way. and you can also rate and review on Apple Podcasts, which is the purple app on your iPhone or iPad.

Simply scroll down to the bottom of all of the episodes. I know there have been quite a few now. And you'll see the stars where you can tap and rate and also please write a review. Thank you so much. I want to know if you have your big box of things near you. I don't actually, I'm afraid. I'm in my studio. I have a studio that I come to to make art and.

write jokes and I'm in that currently. What's your studio like? Oh gosh, how to describe it? It's full of art. There's lots of colour here. I basically, a friend of mine helped me. She's a, do you call it? Interior designer.

And she, I sort of gave her the kind of brief that I wanted it to be like a sweet shop for a creative. And so if I want to do a painting, there's a canvas and all different types of paints ready to go. if I want to do some drawing there's different types of pencil and whatever you can sculpt that I've got my computer here so I can do

whatever you can do on a computer editing or got a camera to make little films so yeah it's a very happy place for me I really like it oh that sounds really special is that where you did the clay face that you got into the Royal Academy

yes it's in my old studio but it was just across the way I scaled up slightly because I'm on the telly now, basically. Well, and so you should be on everything. Do you know what? So I've watched you, I've been watching you on television for, is it, 12 years or 13 years, whatever you've been doing it.

I remember seeing you, you were on so many shows from eight out of ten cats, all sorts of things that you were on, would I lie to you, all of these things. And you know when you watch somebody, and it sounds slightly pervy, But I kept watching and thinking, oh, I want to see more of him. Where is he going to go? What's he going to do? And I think you really surprised everybody with where you went and what you did and what you're doing. And I think that's, that is how it should be.

Well, that's very lovely of you to say. I just sort of follow the path of least resistance, really. And I was talking to a friend about this last night. Often the path of least resistance for me is to make things. but I didn't choose that about myself but I know that if I lie in bed all day and don't make something, I feel sad and if I make something

literally it could just be a nice dinner, it doesn't have to be anything particularly remarkable, but then I feel happy and I go to sleep sort of jovial and like I've used the day. And I also love being daft and writing silly things and talking about my arseys. So, you know, these things come together to create the ridiculous person who speaks to you today.

Yeah, but would you call yourself, do you really call yourself ridiculous? I don't think you're ridiculous. Yeah, I think everything's sort of ridiculous, isn't it? I try not to take anything too seriously, including myself. That's what I mean by ridiculous, like just sort of absurd and silly, really. Yeah, I think I'm a silly person. Yes, I like silly. That's what I think.

anybody ever says, what do you think of you? I'm just silly. Yeah. Silly. And they go, oh, no, that's negative. But it's not negative. It's a positive thing. Yeah, yeah. No, I think silly is a really positive thing. I was, I feel very, very emotional about talking to you because I just finished rewatching your, who do you think you are. Oh, yeah. For all my research, obviously I was going through all sorts of things, but I thought I wanted to watch it in full again, because I saw it when it first went out, and I wanted to watch it again. Firstly, how beautiful is your mum?

That's just an aside. What a beautiful woman. Yeah. I love Helen Lysit. What a great woman. She's wonderful. But also, when we got to the end of it, as a viewer, and I mean, we as a viewers,

I was heartbroken for Robert, your great, many great grandfather of what he went through. But I can't imagine how that left you feeling if, for me, as the audience, I feel very emotional about it. So how on earth has that left you feeling? Well, what was weird about it is I was going through that process, learning as I go, and they're very good at making that show.

You know, you really don't know anything. And then at the end of the day, they'll say, well, it looks like you're off to Southampton or whatever it is. And so I was sort of following his journey almost in real time, it felt like, and forgot that he died. at the end and has been dead for many years. And I don't know. Subconscious, I thought, maybe I'm going to meet this guy.

Yes. So I was just then like, oh, God, yeah. And then it ends. And so I was very emotional at the end because I, yeah, I really liked him. And I was conflicted by him. And I also felt like I probably knew more about him than his wife and kids did, almost certainly more than my nan did and her parents because I imagine

for those who haven't watched it he ended up in a mental asylum because he stabbed a bloke while he was in the Navy and he got really into booze and just had a bit of a particularly the first half of his life was a real mess and really hardgoing and did some awful things in China and was part of a massacre of Chinese villages

really like full-on life. And I bet a lot of that he didn't tell his wife or kids. Probably a lot of it was not something he was massively proud of. And I know all that just because I got a bit famous and they made a TV show about me and these experts found all these documents. So it's such a strange thing. But a lovely program to be part of.

The team were wonderful. I felt very honored and privileged. to be part of it. I get the feeling that you don't take any of this for granted, anything that's happened to you over the past 12 years for granted at all. No, I don't, actually. And I've always thought that when I sort of see people, one of my real pet hates is when people are sort of,

celebs are like snappy or ungrateful or unkind to the teams that they're working with. Because really, ultimately, yes, there's talent involved in what people, do and on-screen people and sometimes I totally appreciate it's hard to articulate what you need to do your best work because sometimes it's this sort of indescribable thing where you just need the comfort of something or whatever I totally get all of that it's really no excuse for being rude or trying to deliver that information in a way that's anything but kind and And so when I see celebs sort of like expecting things, I think, no, you shouldn't expect any of that. Good for you.

You don't deserve any of that, really. Nobody deserves anything. We're all, it's all just kind of a bit of luck and spark and that's it really. And I could very easily have been doing something else and be in a much worse situation. I could be in a country that treats me appallingly. There's all sorts of things that could have gone wrong. And just by chance I was born into a quite comfortable. life thus far. And now I think I'm very aware that all of that could change at any moment. And so

as I say, find the sort of the fact that I'm hanging out with celebs occasionally and doing telly and speaking to you and all of that inherently ridiculous. But also I love the fact that you don't, I'm going to, you didn't say these two words, but for me, I don't, I hate greed and I hate this grabbiness. And for Joe Lice that's got your back, I just get that from you. That's what you don't like either. Yeah. And that's, so it's the perfect show for you. Yeah. Well, I mean, it sort of was built around my stand-up, I suppose. But yeah, that show, I'm really proud that that's the show that's got my name on it and that it gets stuff done in that way. And we've had some brilliant victories over the last three series. And, um,

I mean, so much of the hard work that goes into it is not mine. And the credit should absolutely go to the team that work on it because they are the experts and they're the ones that know what they're doing. And I swoop on in and take the glory quite happily. And the cash, I'll take the cash and the glory. See you. Yeah, there I was saying you're not grabby. Hey, let's wipe that, edit that out.

But for that show, I mean, I know it's built around you and your passion. Were you always like that, though? Were you always wanting to look after the underdog or make sure that people were treated well and fairly? Were you like that as a growing up? Yeah, but I wouldn't, I don't think it comes, I think it comes from a more cynical place

than wanting to help the underdog. It's actually more wanting to F off the over dog, upper dog, big dog. Like, I've always been, a word I like to use recalcitrant. Good word. I've always been suspicious of authority. Anyone telling me that I should do this,

things are like this because there should be. I'm always a bit like, who are you? Who's given you the authority for this? And so big companies often behave very badly. We're all sort of meant to bow down to them because they often pay our wages. And I just resent that, really, and just think, nah, piss off. But where do you get these big balls from?

Because, you know, as a growing up to feel like that, I mean, they must come from your parents. They must have, they must come from somewhere. Because to have the balls to go and do what you've done. And, you know, we'll talk about Hugo Bossen. We'll talk about the greenwashing and changing everybody with the plastic. And hallelujah for that. I cheered with the white plastic what you did. but all of those things, it must come from somewhere.

You don't, do you grow, were you like that when you were a child? No, no, I don't think so. But I definitely liked to undermine adults or people seemingly in positions of power. And by that I mean like friends of mine or people in friendship groups of mine that because they were particularly good looking or muscular or whatever kind of swaggered around. like they owned the gaff and I liked using comedy to undercut them and remind themselves and the people around them that were all vulnerable to something and that's not a good use often of comedy and I was trying all sorts of things when I started out being funny

and often used it in an unkind way and in a very blunt way because I didn't know what I was doing with that skill, I suppose, but I liked it. And there's something very, it's addictive, feeling righteous, I suppose, and feeling like you're in the right and that you're taking on a baddie. And so it's an addiction, really, more than necessarily wanting to do the right thing.

I think, I dispute anyone knowing what the right thing is at any point. As I said, I just sort of always think, I'm very suspicious of anyone in politics, for example, when people sort of deify politicians and say, oh, they're the one to fix everything. I think historically, no one person has ever done everything right. And it's all just sort of people are mixed, aren't they?

And actually the ones that people say are brilliant and will fix everything generally end up being the fascists and the dictators. Yes. Sadly. Sadly. So I kind of, I don't know, I always just think, nobody knows, do they? Nobody knows what's right and wrong. But when you feel like you are right and you manage to deliver that in a fun way, it's a real buzz.

Oh, I love it. I can tell. The whole Hugo Boss thing, I mean, it was brilliant. I think when it first happened and I read about it, because of course the press went mad with this, when I first read about it, I sort of couldn't get my head around it. and then I read further into it and read all about it. And I just, oh, again, I'm going back to your balls in the nicest possible way, your large set of balls. Wow, it's a sort of thing that people dream of being able to do but don't necessarily do themselves.

I mean, did you, how did it, I mean, the whole, it was brilliant. It was absolutely brilliant. Thanks. Well, I mean, I wouldn't say it didn't take that much balls. It took a bit of time and administration. But, yeah, I mean, I felt, and I still do, that Hugo Boss behaved badly and that they were being bullish and just not, you know, it wasn't even sort of sensible what they were doing. It was a waste of their resources, I felt, taking on this little brewery, boss brewing in Swansea that produce delicious beers. and they disputed the use of the word boss in their business.

And we're sending them all sorts of legal letters, which obviously for a small business, you kind of go, oh, God. And I just think at every stage, the lawyer that sent that, the person at Hugo Boss that approved it, every person there should be really embarrassed with themselves. What a waste of a life to be a lawyer sending, legal letters to a small brewery for a massive multi-billion dollar corporation, I just think when you get to the pearly gates, I'm not religious, I'm just playing this out in my head.

Yeah, no, I get, I completely hear you. And God looks down on you and says, what did you do with your life? You go, oh, I just sent these legal letters for Hugo Boss. You must just think, oh, you fucking idiot. I gave you this amazing body and brain and mind, and you did that. Fuck off. It's so true, though. Yeah.

It's so true. But is that why, okay, that is really interesting because, as I said, I applauded the white plastic because it can't be recycled. And you actually have made a difference to the planet. That is silly. That's really silly to me. I find that really, I can't actually wait until I see one of those bottles in a supermarket and think, well, I did that. Yes, the Yop yogurt drink currently, as far as I'm aware, I might be wrong, allegedly is in a white PET plastic bottle. And white PET is recyclable, but it's not really, we don't do it here in the UK.

And it's a lot harder to recycle than clear PET plastic. And there's no reason for it not to be in a clear plastic bottle other than aesthetics. I thought, oh, maybe it needs to be in a white bottle to preserve the milk content or whatever, but that's not the case and has been disproven by the fact that Yazoo and a lot of the others are in clear plastic bottles. And yeah, it just seemed like that, you know, really is just them not catching up with the times quick enough. And I feel like I just, you know, pushed them along a little bit by, I mean, it's such an elaborate stunt, but yeah, by basically pretending that I was going on to Steph McGovern's brilliant show to be righteous and say how I never

use white plastic and I won't have it in my house. Then later on a picture of me pops up and there's a yacht bottle in the background. She highlights this and I get very cross and storm off the show in order to create a press buzz and get all the papers talking about me having a hissy fit so that I could then, once they were, once they'd taken the bait, do the old switcheroo and reveal that me and Steph were in on it together. And it was to raise awareness that Yop is in this white PET plastic bottle. And yes, as a result of that, Yop agreed to change to clear PET plastic by, I think, the start of next year, I can't remember the exact dates, but imminently. Which is insane. It's insane. Just because it's

been a little while since I did it all about saying it out loud. It's like, oh my God, what have I done? You've made a difference. You've made a difference. I've made a little difference, yeah. And that's it. It's not a huge difference. It's not going to fix climate change by any means, but it's a step in the right direction and done. The thing that I always want to sort of explain to people and lots of people do this all the time anyway is that there are often better ways than the obvious route in fixing and solving problems. A great example I often use is there's a guy, I don't know who he is or where he is, but it's somewhere in the UK who had an issue of potholes in his local area and they were getting worse and worse and he was complaining to the council about and the council weren't doing

anything and he was going through the official channels and just essentially being ignored. And so he started in the middle of the night going up to the potholes and graffitying a cock and balls on them. And that meant that it was then an issue of, you know, taste and decency in the public and children could see that, whatever. And so they very quickly swooped in and had to do something about them, cover them over. And, you know, it's not, I imagine the route that a lot of people would have taken, but it was very effective and got the thing done. And often there are things that you can do like that if you have a problem in your life. And it might not be with a council or a company or anything. It could just be a creative problem you have or a problem you have with your

partner or how to raise your kids, whatever. And there might just be some clever little thing you haven't thought of that will get your way essentially. But it is, but I have to say that the reason I'm talking about the white plastic is there's a vitamins, an organic vitamin that I get and I take them every morning. And they used to come in white plastic. and it says recyclable, post-consumer waste, all of that, and is recyclable. Then watching all of the stuff, I learnt more about it. This company, nothing to do with me, but all to do with you, I thought, I'm not going to order this anymore.

But then my next delivery arrived from them. So when it came, I thought, I can't, this is wrong. I shouldn't order it. It's no longer in white plastic. Great. It is now in a plastic that's made from wood pulp. and I think that's due to you, so thank you. I mean, I'm not going to take the credit officially

because I'm sure it's to do with people within that company that had felt that they should do better and they have. And this is the thing as well that I actually don't know if the wood pulps better because you could argue they've got to drop a tree down, the trees taking C.S. You know, it's like one of those. I have no idea.

No, no. No, this is, and also there's another, that there's a moisturiser that I get from amazing women. And I can tell you exactly the wood pulp is it's post waste from where they do. They make things out of sustainable wood and it's all FSC. So this is the wood, the sawdust that is left on the floor that otherwise would be thrown away. God, people are clever, aren't they? That's it.

I do just feel like climate change, this is how I have to sort of feel about it is that there'll be, either someone, well, either we're completely buggered, which is the most likely of the scenarios that the scientists are giving us, or some, like, real weird twist will happen where a new scientific development will come through, or something will just blindside or someone like, oh, that's the solution to this problem, or at least it will take a big chunk of the edge off it. or there'll just be a massive disaster that will overshadow it like one of the volcanoes goes off

that, you know, cakes us in dust or whatever, and then we have to deal with that instead. And so I'm always sort of like thinking sort of what actually is going to happen because there's so many variables in the world, hasn't there? You know, like anything could happen. And so obviously I'm delighted that I got yacht to change their plastic bottle but then occasionally I do this sort of thing, it's all a nonsense. You know, we should just have a laugh now while we can.

Yeah, we need to, absolutely. And that's what you, but that's also what you deliver. So it's very interesting that when I said to people that I was going to be recording with you for the podcast, they said, oh, he's not a comedian anymore. I said, yes, he is. Yes, he is. And they're all obsessed with Got Your Back.

But to me, you're a comedian who's also a, presenter. You're a presenter who is also a comedian and you're going back out on tour and you're going to be doing that. But it has the comedian, the stand-up comedian, not you as a funny person, that's a different thing, but the stand-up, going and doing the stand-up and on tour, is that getting further and further away from what you're about now? No. So I actually cannot, I cannot wait to get on tour now. I'm previewing this show at the minute, the new show. And it's... It's sort of weirdly, it's not similar to Got Your Back,

because Got Your Back is a very, well, one, it's very legally checked over. And my stand-up, I don't, you know, I might consult a legal friend here and there to sort of ask if I'm, you know, wandering into jail time. But generally, it's just me and my thoughts and what I, you know, want to talk about.

But I've never written anything like it because it's a sort of large-scale stunt that spread over three years that involved lots of elements and lots of things that I hold dear. And I'm really excited. It's interesting that you said there about people saying, oh, he's not a comedian anymore, because I think when you stop doing stand-up,

and I never did stop doing stand-up apart from in the pandemic, I kept doing gigs, but I didn't tour and I wasn't making a new full show. and it is when you do lots of telly people just you do start to think of you as a TV presenter and that's fine to a degree but actually I am my bread and butter and the thing that I think of myself as is a stand-up comic and someone that can entertain a room and sometimes well a lot of the time TV sort of whittles that away a little bit and you get jokes written by committee and I sort of started to realise actually I was going down a bit of a path with some of the

TV I was doing where I was being restricted and sort of slightly told what to do and what to say and where to stand and how to do it. And I was again, the old authority thing and I was like, well, who the fuck are you to tell me that? Particularly when they're saying, oh, this is funny if you do it like this. And I think, I've been doing stand up for 15 years. I am a funny person, I mean, depending on who you ask. And, you know, I do have expertise in that area, I would argue. sometimes I felt like that expertise is being ignored and I felt like it's time to go out on the road again and prove to people that I am good at this.

Actually physically going out there, do you still get nerves? Yeah, it's important to get nerfess, I think, because it's a real, I love nerves now. I used to not be able to eat or drink or anything. I used to like get really, just used to struggle to cope with doing the, the pre-show thing.

And now I'll feel them kick in about an hour or so before a show and I'll think, oh, here we go, something's about to happen. And I kind of cajole them into excitement and sort of anticipation for the thing. And then it just really gets me into a good space. And if I'm not nervous, it very rarely happens, but occasionally I'll just not be nervous.

And I don't think I perform as well because I'm sort of too nonchalant about it. And I don't have that like, energy, I suppose. It's an energy source. And so I love getting nervous. I feel like it's a good sign. Yeah, the knees go wobbly. It's a good. I love it. You're really living, aren't you? With the comedy, though, when did you, I mean, I know you won all the awards, I'm sorry, I kept saying 12 years, so you're saying it's 15 years you've been doing it. But when you decided to do it as a, to earn money out of doing stand-up, all the other comedians that I've spoken to, they all say, you know, there's, there's that one moment where you think, there's that leap of faith where you say,

oh, okay, yes, I'm going to do this. Yeah. I remember Sarah Pascoe telling me that live at the Apollo is a big moment in that you can, before that, you can say, I'm a stand up to people and they'll go, all right, you know, where do you play, you know, that kind of thing. And you can't prove to them that you are one. You know, you'd have to say, like, well, come along to a gig, and then you might die at the gig, and then they'll be like, oh, he's not really that good at. Whereas, like with the Apollo, particularly if you have a good one, no one can take that away from you at that point.

You've got that recording of you in front of a really big room on television, making them laugh. And that's proof. You know, it's like it's your big thing on the CV, it's your degree or whatever. And so live at the Apollo, I think, was a big moment for me. But actually, it kind of happened organically where I was kind of earning not good, perfectly fine, but livable money, but not great money working in a theatre, making, serving the ice creams and working on the bar. And then I was getting offered gigs to, you know, 50 quid to go to Liverpool and do 15 minutes or whatever. And I was thinking, well, actually, if I did that,

I had to lose a bit on the train from Manchester because I was living in Manchester at the time, but actually I would have had more fun and, you know, that got a bit further. And then that 50 gig became 75 and suddenly it was 100. And you're like, oh, now I'm earning more money for doing 20 minutes than I would do doing a four-hour, five-hour shift at the theatre.

So it just became like actually fiscally more sensible to follow that thread. Yeah, but that I was very fortunate in that, you know, that happened quite quickly. And a lot of stand-ups, it takes them a bit of time to find their voice and then really finesse it. But I managed to start getting kind of paid work relatively quickly. And also you became, and I hate the word. I'm going to use it because it just says it.

But a celebrity, you became well-known. People knew. Yes, I'm a celebrity. Would you do that show? Would you do that show? No, God forbid. No, thank you. year. But I am a celebrity, Gabby, and you should treat me of more respect than anyone else.

I hate that word. Any of those gutter people. Catherine Ryan refers to the public, I suppose we call them as, she refers to them as muggles. I think that's really lovely. But you became very well known pretty quickly. And it's as I get the feeling I could be, of course, completely wrong because what you put out there is all what you want us to see. But I get the feeling that you quite enjoy elements of that, but also you keep yourself to yourself. So people always, you know, when I was doing my research on you,

everybody's always talking about the Hugo Boss story, of course, but they're talking about your sexuality or they have opinions on you as a person. And you've managed to keep part of you very private. And I applaud you for that. I think that's wonderful that you managed to do that. Well, I just, yeah, I think it's, I'm not fussed about, you know, a celebrity or going to a thing.

I got, just me banging my own drum, but I got nominated for a BAFTA but in lockdown. And so it meant that the ceremony happened remotely and nobody could go. And I was so delighted because I would have had to have gone because I would have had to, you know, show face. And it's nice to be nominated, nominated for a BAFTA or whatever. But I actually can't think of anything worse. and I always just, I think it would be so much nice to just sit in the pub with my school friends and people that I've want to hang out with

and not have to kind of navigate around celebs who are all kind of there for different reasons and everyone's nervous and, you know, there's cliques and groups and whatever. I'm not fussed by any of that really. I doubled with it at the start when, you know, when you start to get invited to things, you think, oh, well, that's interesting, let's go along to that.

And now I just think, No thanks. And I do, yeah, I like to kind of keep elements of my life private so that I don't think anyone needs to hear anymore about me beyond the ridiculous amount of television that I'm doing. So I think, you know, they've got their fair fill of me. But all of those things as well, I get the feeling that you say no and but you also enjoy saying yes. Does that make sense?

That sounds like it's a cop out for me. But I just think that you know what you want to do and you say yes to it. if it fits in perfectly with how you want it to be? Increasingly, yeah, but I mean I do still end up sometimes saying yes to things and I go, oh, why did I do that? Because, you know, sometimes you sort of, I generally have a policy of like, if I can be funny in it, then that's good, that's good. And if not, then, or if it's just to kind of increase my profile,

I actually feel a little bit more famous than I'd like to be. And so I sort of. You feel more famous than you'd like to be. Yeah, yeah. I'd like to be like 10% less famous, I think. I don't know. I don't know how one measures it. How do you take that 10% away, though?

Which bit you're going to take away? Oh, I don't know. I think just, if you don't do, if you're not on telly for a bit, people do quickly start to sort of forget. So I think it probably is about doing a bit of less telly, really. But you're not going to not do got your back, though. There's another series of that coming, isn't it? We don't know.

we're waiting to hear. Of course it will. I mean, that's, of course it will. Well, you'd hope so, but I mean, you just, you can never tell. You can never tell with the, in the dark arts of commissioning. Yes. But yeah, I definitely, whatever I'm doing, I want it to feel like it's got, like, purpose in the way that got your back has.

So, yeah, kind of going to, like, doing a panel show after something like that, it's a bit like, a point of this. Yeah, no, I get that. I completely get that. And you versus the oil giants, you know, those things, I just, listen, I think what you do is wonderful. I really do. And when I met you face to face, there's this, there's this funny thing that you have when,

I'm very lucky and I've been in this industry in 35 years, even though I'm still 33. And the people that you meet, I love it when I come home and I get in and my husband says, oh, how was work? He doesn't say, we're not interested in all this showbiz crap here at all. And so he'll just say, how was work? I said, I've met somebody I just really want to spend time with. And he went, what? I mean, Joe, Lyset, not a good bloke.

But also that you're a fighter and that you believe in what you're fighting for. It's not that somebody's giving you a script and said, right, this is what we're going to fight for now. Yeah, yeah. No, I sort of, obviously, there's lots of writers involved in everything I do, apart from my standard, which I generally, I'll normally have like a writer look at it right at the end to see if I've missed any obvious gags. but stand-up is sort of my, I'm very purist about that. But everything else is writers all over the place,

but just out of necessity, because there's such a volume of stuff you've got to do. But I'm really careful about, I try to be really careful about what I'm saying and what I'm doing. And I'm very across the shows that I am on. And continue to do that. That's just, just continue to do it. On this podcast, we always ask everybody what makes them completely belly laugh.

And you do like a giggle. Yeah. So what makes you lose it? Still, to this day, God, I'm a child. I live alone, thank God. I do the most ridiculous farts, particularly because, you know, occasionally I go sort of vegan for a bit. And, you know, on a high-fiber diet. And in the middle of the night, I will not irregularly,

irregular illory wake myself up with like a big fuck because they come out like a sort of shotgun I would describe them and I laugh to myself and then fall back to sleep

and I still do that and I'm just thinking about it makes me laugh because it's so have you ever have you seen click hole it's an Instagram or it's a website

and an Instagram account it's run by the people that do the onion So it's like a kind of fake news thing. And Clickhole is sort of their parody of, I forgot what it's called, like those list websites, basically. And they write ridiculous articles. I keep using the word ridiculous. Absurd articles, very sort of, they're not even satirical, they're just really off the wall.

There was one recently, I'm trying to find it. Yeah, this is the headline. Ah, Christ, not another bladder full of urine. And it's a whole article about this dude who's just sick and tired of having to go for a piss. And he's just like, my life would be so much better if I didn't have to go for a piss. He talks about this sort of absurdity of every day, you know, three to five times a day, I think he says, just having to find somewhere to whack out my cock and piss, spray piss every day. And it's just so, our bodies are so, you know, slowest,

and are so amazing in other ways, but like there's so many silly things about them. And I'm farting and pissing. I just, I love it. I find it so funny. Oh, you are a joy. Honestly, you really are. Joe, that's the perfect place to end this. But thank you so much.

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