That Gaby Roslin Podcast: Reasons To Be Joyful - Paul Hollywood

Episode Date: December 19, 2022

In this Christmas Special, Gaby chats with The Great British Bake Off's very own Paul Hollywood. He tells Gaby all about his childhood and how proud his parents are of his achievements. He talks about his transition from baking to television and of the food travel shows he hopes to keep filming, as well as his passion for motorbikes. And they of course talk all things The Great Christmas Bake Off which airs on Christmas Eve, Saturday, 24 December on Channel 4 with our very own Gaby Roslin! Merry Christmas! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

And welcome to that Gabby Roslin podcast, part of the A-Cast Creator Network. This is our Christmas special. And this year we have Father Christmas, or Father Bakemas. He's Paul Hollywood. Delighted to welcome him to the podcast. He's very cheeky. He's very nice. We have a laugh together.

And I may know him quite well, especially over this Christmas. Hmm, if you're thinking that I might be alluding to something, Well, you'll have to listen. Don't forget, you can keep up to date by following and subscribing please to the podcast, where a new episode is released every Monday. Leave us a rating on the Apple Podcast app. And whilst you're there, why not leave us a review? We love to hear your thoughts.

Now, on with the show. Hooray for Hollywood. This is our Christmas special together. You're our Christmas guest because, quite frankly, you are now Christmas. I'm beginning to look more and more like Father Graham. Christmas. Stop, you're beautiful. Do you know what I was watching last night? So I'm going to freak you out. I was watching one of your very first ever TV appearances with Gloria Honeford. Oh God, yeah. From 22 years ago. I think it was, yeah. I remember that I was making muffins.

Yes, you were. Oh my God. I was. I remember most of my recipes. Do you? Strangely. That's amazing. Do you know what? You actually haven't changed. Yes. Your hair's whiter. My hair is even more fake blonde, so I know what that's like. But you haven't changed at all. And you, there's just, I'm not surprised that TV beckoned you

and that you're now so huge on TV. Because you looked like you were loving it. It was an unusual, unusual circumstance because obviously there's not a school you go to to say, I want to do telly. I've met a handful of people that want to do. do telly and set out to do telly a lot of people fell into it it's really odd it was really odd i had no intention it tv wasn't even on the radar and it just it found me rather than me

hunting it down i was very well either lucky or unlucky the way you look at it no lucky lucky but how did it have happened how did the fall how you say it just sort of fell into that how did the fall happen well i did um back in uh at eight eight eight eight I remember doing a local BBC news thing, you know, for the evening slot. And they wanted to cover the bread in the hotel. I was working at the Chester Grovenor at the time. And the chef said to me, camera crew are coming in, come in smart, you're going to be on telly. And I went, what?

So I did this. We seemed to film for like three hours. And I thought, wow, this is going to go on for ages. And I think when I saw it in the evening with all my family, I was on for about three minutes. and I was like, this is interesting. I've never experienced anything like that before. It was quite a buzz. And then years later, I was in the,

I was in Cyprus working in a hotel called the Annabelle in Paphos. And a film crew came out with Thane Prince, who used to write for the telegraph, she was a food critic. And she was doing a series called Food from the Village and it was in connection with the hotel I was working with. So they said, you should meet Thane. So I met Thane.

I met one of the producers, Jake Senior, and they said, would you like to do some TV? And I went, yeah, okay. So we did this little bit about Cypriot bread and Cypriot desserts and things in Cyprus. And I took them to my baker's home, which was an idyllic setting. And afterwards, they said, oh, you should do some more TV. And I said, oh, why? So you're quite a natural.

I went, oh, thank you. So they gave me this card. And then I said, oh, you should contact my agent. get back. So two years later, I was back, contacted the agent at the time. And I think within three months, I was doing a series with James Martin, who will use your loaf, which is quite old. And that's where it started from, really. But it's, what's so lovely is you still have that, and I mean this in a lovely way, that wide-eyed look at television. It's as if you're not bored of it. You still love it. I do. Well, I enjoy being a

the tent. It's like, it's like my second home now. I've been in there for 13 years and it does, it's, you know, played a huge part in my life. And my, my baking career professionally was great. My CV is fantastic, you know. TV side of things was, was very new and it was quite nervous because TV started taking over more and more of my life. And I had to let go of the professional side, the baking to concentrate on the TV side of things, the writing and the, the filming, and the, the filming, and that was quite nervous, you know, when you take that leap to say, all right, I'm going to stop what I'm doing here

and I'm going to concentrate on this. And that was really nervous, but, you know, ultimately it ended up with the bake-off. I started dabbling a few bits and pieces like the Gloria on a video. I did this morning with Richard and Judy a few times. And I remember Richard saying,

oh, you're all this morning baking out. And I went, oh, wow, okay, thank you. That's going to be interesting. And then I did heaven and earth show. I remember on Sunday mornings and I was doing the old bits here. I did the Generation Game once. Yes, I watched that as well last night.

That was hilarious with Jim Davidson. That was hilarious. And to be on an iconic show like that, I was like, wow. But it was weird because a couple of weeks ago, a couple months ago now, I was promoting my book in America. And I was doing the late show with Stephen Colbert.

And I did that. And in the morning I did more in America. I remember I walked out the studios of going on in America, and I looked up, I was in Times Square, and my book was on in Times Square and a huge screen. And I went, wow, wow, how did I end up with my book and my image on this huge screen in Times Square? And I thought, now, this is weird now.

I think it's Bakeoff. Bakeoff's been this, you know, this monster of a program that seems to have appealed to a lot of people and tapped into this very Britishness of being in a tent and baking cakes. And I think that's part, it's very nostalgic, I think. And I think you probably found it yourself, you know, I think, you know, the whole thing about bake-up is...

Oh, my word. It's quite a family thing. You know, the crew, we've had virtually the same crew for 13 years. There's a few guys that were there right at the beginning are still there now. So when we're going to catch up, it's like catching up with mates again, you know. Well, it's so wonderful to be able to talk about this because, of course, the Christmas special that I'm a part of, I haven't been able to say until now because we're so close to Christmas. And for me, well, I mean, you know how excited I was, but the crew were lovely and serving ice cream to the crew in my lunch was one of my favorite things I've ever done. But, I mean, I've never made a cake in my life.

And so we can't give any spoilers away of what happened. No. But I did make a cake. I made a cake. And it was edible. Just probably. You're just being nice now. It was.

It was decent. We're not allowed to say anything about what actually happened on the day. But it's, it's, I, my family know what happened. They don't believe what I tell them. So, no, they really don't. just go, but you've never made a cake. Mom, you've never, I know, I make a cake and I make some

other things too, but I was doing the technical challenge for the whole thing, because I'd never done it before. But it was... Well, can I ask you a question? Have you baked since? Truth? Yeah. I've done... Oh, well, I'm going to give

it away. Okay, the only thing I've done. You just say, have you baked? I haven't baked a cake, but I've done some piping. That's not the same. I loved the, you know I loved the piping. I enjoyed the piping so much. But what an experience to be in there.

And as you say, it's such a team show. Yeah, it's. And it's very exactly what you see is what you get. So as somebody who's watched every single episode, and the last series was fantastic as well, again, I didn't want anybody to ever go. And congratulations to, the winner of course. But

for me being in there, I was able to come home and say, because I wasn't allowed to tell anybody. I'm not sold. You sign that piece of paper. Do not tell the soul. But being in there, I just realized it was exactly what I watched. Every single person, the crew were incredible. You guys all really do get on. Yeah, we do. And you love the show. You love that

show. I know. I think it's an odd one because, you know, to be part of Bakeoff, there's a lot of programs out there have been running a long time like Master Chef and obviously Generation Game is running a long time and Beacost's been running in TV world, 13 years is a long time in TV. And to keep it still there is incredible. I remember after two series, they were saying, well, I remember after the first series, Sue saying to me, I said, Do you really think this could go? Somebody goes, I can't see it working. I really can't see it working because we just couldn't see past the fact that it was a bit villagey,

it was bunting, it was a bit kitsch. And I thought, you know, you're probably right. Well, at least we've had fun. And it's just going to, I think picking up BAFTAs and NCA's and all these awards. And you're thinking, I think it's awesome. I mean, it is the crew did such a lot of work in the background. And I think when we arrive in the tents, everything's sort of set up for us to do our job then, you know, for the Matt and Noel and before, you know, with Sandy and then Mel and Sue to do their stuff. And it is very much kept within the same format, the same mould as it always has been.

My job hasn't changed that much. I've given out a few more handshakes. But that's generally because the quality of the baking is better. However, I say that next year, I'm thinking, I'm going to rein my mind. hand-shakes in a bit because I'm given too many of them out because I've decided I have to walk the bar again and if anyone gets over that I'm going to be really surprised. That's so funny. Yeah and also you're as Prue said on this podcast a few months ago and you know I have you and I have met many many times now and away from cameras as well and you're a big softie and what's so lovely and I mean that in a lovely way and but you haven't become pantomime

whereas there are other judges, and we know, and I know you know a couple of them, quite well. But they've sort of become pantomime characters. You haven't. You've kept very true to your craft because you really do. Your craft is something you're passionate about. All of those books, all of the other TV shows, which we'll talk about in a minute. But at the core, this is what you train to do from a young man. This is something that you're passionate about.

And you don't take the piss. No, I try not to. I mean, I'm brutally honest sometimes with people. And maybe some of my vocabulary and my descriptive words to describe what I'm tasting or looking at can be a bit edgy, should say that. But it's just where I'm from and the way I've grown up, the way I speak. So sometimes it probably comes across as being quite hard.

There's always, and I always emphasize this, There's always, and it sometimes doesn't meet the edit, I'll always back that up with if you've done this. So there's always, you know, constructive criticism. It's never destructive because initially I have to be destructive in a sense of, I have to be honest with them. But after that, I'm straight with them and say, listen, if you've done this, this and this,

that would have been better because you would have ended up with that. And they go, oh, and the people on Bake Off that listen to Prue and I's judgment and learn from it, they do get better. and they're the ones that go further in the bake-off. I think the ones that ignore it. I know better. Well, they're amateur bakers. I mean, all of them are amateur bakers,

and they can't expect to be professionals. It takes years to get to that level of professionalism. And I think it's something that they then have to, it's like passing your test. You know, when you leave the tent, you pass your test, you can drive, but then you've got to learn how to drive properly. You know what I mean? You can't just jump straight into a Formula One car

I don't expect to be quick. I was actually going to go to cars next, but you've led me into that. That's your other passion. I mean, because you and I have a mutual friend and Mr. Chris Evans, and I know that, you know, you two could talk cars for England. Why were you never, why have you never hosted a car show? Why is that never? I have.

No, no, no. I have. Well, the one I'm talking about then, you know, Top Gear. Oh, the big one. Yeah, Top Gear. To me, you should have been the host of Top Gear. I would have liked to have done that I think

I think when Matt did it originally I would have loved to work with Matt and I do like the guys now I know Paddy McGuinish very well yeah yeah I'd love to it I mean I'd never say no to Top Gear because I grew up with it

you know I think everybody grew up with the likes of Jeremy I've met the lads I think they're doing Top Gear live in Birmingham and I I met the guys there for dinner which is interesting but I think I think that Top Gear is still

one of the great programs you know it's still great I think recently it's gotten a bit more comedic than it has cars and I think the old Top Gear was going that way a little bit as well it was almost going to become like a sketch show rather than about the cars themselves you know and I like to get into

knitting gritty of a car and get stuck and the same with motorbikes and really into my motorbikes as well so I did go riding a lot and I enjoy that atmosphere of going to a bike meeting lots of people and I can just disappear amongst everybody and just enjoy where I'm at. I go to a lot of track racing. I was at Catalonia and Barcelona a few months ago

and that was incredible just to watch the guys going around on these world super bikes. I love all that. I love the fuel elements of things, you know. So, okay, you have to choose You have to. It's a new world. Do you choose bread or do you choose bikes? Bikes. Bikes. Bikes? Wow. Without a shadow of a doubt. Yeah. The great British bike off.

Listen, I'm in there already. I do think that biking is a huge release for me because when I put the helmet on, most of my helmets are quite tinted heavily. So you can't see who I am. I think people want to go to a bike meet, I tend to keep my head down a lot. But when I'm riding, I could be anybody. Do you know what I mean? And if someone pulls out on me,

I might stick two fingers up at them and they won't know it's me. But the thing is me, I'll get in the press. So, I mean, the beauty of anonymity on the bike, I love the fact that I can jump on a bike and enjoy it and no one's staring at me. You know what I mean? Like just enjoy me, the road and the bike. I love that.

How does, how do you take? to celebrity because my word, you know, even though I know you, obviously I was doing my research on you and good God, the press love to gossip about you, don't they? Every single part of your life. I mean, it's like you're not allowed anything private and if there is anything private and you don't talk about it, then other people will. Yeah. How do you cope with all that? I don't really. I mean, I do now, I've sort of got used to it and grown a bit thick skin. I never answer these salacious gossip stories to the press because often you always get a thing in the press saying,

oh, we approached agent or whoever for a comment. You know what I mean? You know, at the end of a piece, they always have that. And I never answer. I just don't bother because it's like adding fuel to a fire. It's like reeling oxygen onto a load of nonsense. And 99% of them are untruths or twisted truths of what they actually are. So, I mean, they've had it in for me for a while.

But why? You just, I don't know, Bake Off's too big. You see, the beauty, I think Bakeoff has been, they've always, I think the press has always loved the idea of building somebody up and then smashing them down and going, oh, isn't it a shame? But it's all constructed. The whole thing is a constructed thing. Yes, I've made mistakes in my life, but who hasn't.

Isn't that what life is about? And those mistakes happen. And I think you do. I mean, I went through a, you know, a divorce and divorces aren't nice on either party. But to do it in the public eye, I find that disgusting because there's an else, there's, you know, you're not just doing it to the people in question. You're doing it to the kids. You're doing it to the families on both sides. And it's just not right.

I mean, you think, and you say, under the, under the warrants of it's done in the public interest, well, I would totally disagree with that. Because I don't think the public really give a shit, you know. Yeah. And I do think that it's something you have to deal with when you're doing this. I mean, I'm a judge on a baking show. I'm not a politician or someone in position of power. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that's why I ask because, you know, I hate the word celebrity.

I do. I understand it. Yeah, good. There's something, it's turned into a very dirty word. And it's not like you've courted it. Now, obviously, there are some people who do. and who love to use their celebrity status. You love your job.

You love your bikes, your bikes, your cars, you know, all of that. And you've created this, you know, you're part of this huge, wonderful, tented monster. But you haven't courted celebrity. And it is, so some people that I chat to, I just think, yeah, okay, you like being a celebrity. And they'll admit it. Yeah. Do you like... I know a lot of people that are, but it's just, I've shied away from them.

I mean, I get invited to a lot of big celebrity parties. I have to go to some of the award ceremonies because Bake Offs involved. Even then I fight and say, I don't want to do it, you know. And I have to go to some of these things. And I mean, my partner at the moment, Melissa, I took it to the Kingsman. Matthew Vaughn Fermilf, who was the producer, director of the Kingsman franchise. And he called me up to help him out with, we did this promotional gig to promote the Kingsman

because the Bakewell's art was involved with the film. So I said, yeah, okay, yeah, I'll do that, no problem. So I went to the, I went to the premiere in Leicester Square and I said to Mel, I'll take you, give the press the picture, and they'll probably leave it alone

then, you know, at least they've got the picture and that'll be it, you know, so I wanted to go anyway to watch the movie. And so did she, but there's no way you're going to creep into somewhere like that. So we thought, we did the whole nine yards, got doled up and went down, got the picture, and sure enough, within 40 minutes of me walking in,

it was in the press. And I thought, okay, fine, it's done that. But so you have to sort of feed them occasion and say, yeah, you've got your one, I'll leave me a low. I don't go to a lot of celebrity parties. I don't go to London that often. I live in the middle of nowhere in Kent. And I like that.

I like the quiet life. I don't, there's nothing glamorous about what I do at home. I like tinkering. I like building Lego or like doing the garden. sitting on my lawnmower. I like going out for rides on my bike. And that's what I enjoy doing. You know, I bake a lot at home. I enjoy that. I don't mix with a huge amount of people. And so I keep myself very much to myself. But to categorize me, which the press has done saying, he's a shit, he's this, he's that, and then hang everything on that, it's just ridiculous.

I mean, any bad story that comes out with the bake-off, it's never known. normally with the other three. It's always a picture of me from the centre, and I'm going, yeah, thanks for that. It's just, yeah, whatever. You've chosen, you know, the path. You've put me in a box, and I'd probably never get out of that box,

but that's just the way it is, you know. So how did Mel take to her picture being everywhere after 40 minutes? Well, you know, we've been together, what, three years, three years now, and she's got used to it. I remember they were sitting outside of, because their family have had this pub for 15 years and she runs it.

And she works hard, she works all the hours. And she didn't like it initially and still doesn't really like it. She doesn't like the comments. And I said, don't read the comments. Yes, exactly. Do not read the comments. Honestly, these people are weird.

I said, don't read comments and newspapers. And, you know, the general public are, you know, the whole general public when you take the general consensus that are quite normal. I've always been very nervous after all the stuff that I've been through in the press, they're going out and meeting the public.

I've never had anyone scream at me, unless it's about bake-off saying, or they shouldn't have left. You know, there's no animosity, although the press have tried damn hard to do to get that. And I've never had that. The only animosity and verbal abuse I get is normally from paps that hang around

and the hail abuse at you. You may have had that, you know, just to get a photograph. And it's something which you sort of have to live with, but it's wrong though and I do feel for anyone that wants to be on telly to do a job the backlash of it is quite severe

but having said that I've sort of got used to it now you know I get my head down and do what I do and try not to let it let it affect me you know it's funny because my mum does cut all the cuttings out of the newspaper puts them in a scrapbook good and bad

and she's quite proud of it time I go around she opens it up and I'm going oh no What are you doing? I said, what have you got that for? Oh, well, this was in. I said, thanks, Mom. Oh, bless her.

She's just a proud mummy. So when you would join the family firm, the baking, they were proud then, though, weren't they? So you've sort of, so you said you didn't expect to do what you did and end up on telly. So for your dad who was a baker, and I'm not just a local baker, I mean, it sort of, it was quite big. that you joined, they must have felt so proud about that. And then your mum then watching all of this happen, it sort of must be, no wonder she's collecting the cuttings.

It's surreal. Do you know what she does now? It's just really funny. Years ago, remember, I think you were in this game, you always get those photographs which you used to sign for people. Yes. You know, you should get the, now it's selfies, isn't it? Yeah.

And Instagram and whatever, it's all selfies now. But when you used to do these old photographs, I remember I was doing a few bits of TV and my agent said, oh, you need a couple of photographs for people. So we got this photograph done and they blew it up into a card and I signed a load and she used to send them out to people. And what was weird was my mum, I haven't got them anymore. Every time I got, oh, have you got any more Facebook? No, I don't.

I don't have them. So she's photographed, photocopy the load of these things on this piece of paper. And she forges my signature. No! And then gives them to people. Oh, that is so adorable. I know. Oh, that's so lovely.

It must be so, so surreal for her, though, all of that. Yeah, I get, I don't see my mum there often because she's up north and I'm stuck working. I love going to see, I love going up north to see the rest of my brothers and family. And it's such a chilled out place. And my accent comes back within sort of two hours of me being back. But I do think that, you know, your home where you were brought up, I feel very chilled out there. I can go to the local pubs with me mates. And I feel totally relaxed there.

And everyone really doesn't give a shit who I am, which is fantastic. And I remember saying to my mom, Mom, I'll take you out to a really flash restaurant. You know, let's go to somewhere really flash. And she goes, oh, let's go down to that harvester down the front. Oh. And I was thinking someone slightly different, but okay, let's go down there.

And she was happy. And to be honest, so was I. I love that. That's how it should be though There's a lovely moment of you I think it was with Jonathan Ross Where you're doing your nunchucks And you're showing him

You know And there was a moment watching that as well Where I just saw What I think you were like as a child And it's as if you You were really Maybe I'm completely wrong You can tell me to that I'm wrong

But you were very open and enthusiastic But you wanted to do really at whatever it was you did. Were you always like that? Am I right? Yeah, I was, yeah. I was. It was something which I found was very chilled out actually.

I was quite quiet child. And because of that, I didn't really put myself on a stage to say, I'm going to do this. But I was quite an intense little boy. If I liked something, I really got into something, you know what I mean? I always wanted everything.

I remember I was into Gremlin's buying all his little Gremlin models years ago. I think it was about 12, 13s, I'm like that. Then I remember having this sort of Lamborghini photographs on my wall and I was into Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. And I was quiet, you know, I was a bit of a hippie, a bit of a sweat as it was then. I was into the sort of ECDC Zeppelin,

Paul Quinn, Pink Floyd music. And I found the whole thing amazing. I had a pretty quiet childhood. I grew up in and around a church, going to church every Sunday. But I was a normal kid, quite quiet, quite shy. My mom said, I'd never believed you're going to do anything like you do now. So she's been really shocked.

She goes, of all my brothers, my other brothers, one of them anyway, is a little bit louder than I am. He said, I would have thought he would have done it, not you. I just don't know where it came from. I just don't know where I know. But I bet that you wanted to succeed. I get that feeling that you're... I'm driven.

Yeah. I'm ambitious because my dad made a little bit of money. He had a nice house. You had a couple of Rolls Royces, remember at his peak. So I thought, baking takes you to that. And so I had that as a benchmark. And that's quite a high benchmark. Yeah.

So I worked in some of the best hotels in UK, Europe, and just tried to be the best of what I could. and I enjoyed my job. So whatever I got into, I tried to do the best that I could. And I'm still like that now. I always try and, I don't watch Bake Off. I mean, I know I'm on it, but I don't watch it. Sometimes Melissa will have it on in the background.

I'm going, I can't turn it off. I can't. I can't watch yourself on telly. It was just, it was really bad. But, no, that's been difficult. So all of your shows, so you've got all the shows you know you went to, Japan and Mexico and you've got about 2,500 books. Gabby, can you give me a second?

Yeah, yeah, go. Give me one second. Hang on. Sorry, hi. Yeah. I'm intrigued to know what you got on your feet. It sounds like you're wearing flip-flops. I'm wearing slippers.

Oh, I'm a slippers now. I'm a slipper man. Listen, like, wear a dressing gown and slippers all day I would. Oh, that image is sort of staying with me. I'm happy with it. It's absolutely fine. So you've done all the TV shows, your travel shows and eating your way around the world and Mexico recently and then all the thousands and thousands of books. Where do you see the next bit going, I know obviously you're not going to leave Bake Off.

That's you through and through. But where do you see sort of the next chapters? What would you like to be doing? I mean, I did a couple of car series. I did a program on Aster Martin, and I did three road trip programs in France, Italy and Germany, and it was three one-hour programs, which were road trips and I traveled throughout, checking out Porsches and Ferris and Lambos, checking out the different cars in different countries and meeting different people,

which I found fascinated. And I loved it because it was away from food. It was very different to my normal day job. And, of course, it was also feeding a passionate. of mine. I would like to do something more car bike related, probably travel. I did a trip across America from New York

to L.A. on a big dog chopper, you know, huge big dog. I mean, it's literally like a easy rider, you know, and across the States on this day. You don't mean a barking dog. You mean a bike dog. Oh no, it's called the big, yeah, that's right. It was a big dog chopper. Just had to check.

Basically, it's like, it's like the old easy rider with a huge stretch it stretched out forks you know, to the front wheel. And it was amazing. And I loved it because I was meeting people. We were talking a bit of food as well. But it was about travel and seeing different places. And city bakes fed that a lot as well.

I must have done 30, 40 of those where I'd travel around the world, checking out every, I mean, from St. Petersburg to Cape Town to Iceland to San Francisco, to Miami, to New York. I mean, and all the places in between. That was incredible city bakes. I think that really opened my eyes to the world of baking and helped me, came up with load of ideas with Bake Off actually different challenges and stuff. So I do like travel, whether it's in a bike car, whatever.

I like travel. So I think travel is something I'd like to do a little bit more of away from Bake-Up. But you will carry on with Bake-off. Yeah, yeah, I will. I mean, it's, I feel part of Bake-Off. I feel it's part of me. And we've had a few people, you know, coming in, you know, a couple of people leaving, a couple of people coming in. And it still remained overall exactly the same.

Because what I knew, and I quickly realized, was the stars of the show were always the bakers. They always were and always will be. We're the framework for the bake-off, the tent and us of the framework. But the actual content of the picture has always been the baking and the bakers. And there the stars would be changed. year. So that's why it carries on quite nicely, you know, because every year the cast changes and

people get behind their bakers and that's why I think Bake Off will be around for a while. Well, I certainly hope so somebody who's watched every single episode from when it first started. And even though with my gluten allergy, people go, how come you're watching it? You've never made a cake. You don't eat cakes. You go, oh but I love

this show. I didn't know you a scene, yeah? Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. I'm pleased you were concentrating. I did gluten-free and you even thought It tasted okay. Yes. Did taste all right. Yeah. I forgot about that.

Yeah. No soggy bottom. Tell you what, some of the gluten-free cakes taste, it really good. Yeah, but unfortunately,

if you go and buy any, they taste of sand. Some of them do, some of them don't. There are a lot out there that don't. And to be honest, you best off baking them yourself. You've got no excuse now.

I know. I know. And also bread. Gluten free bread is disgusting. Nobody makes a good gluten-free bread. It's difficult. It is difficult. and it's not impossible, but it is difficult.

One of these days. Paul, do you know what? You know I adore you. And as I said, hooray for Hollywood. Happy Christmas, happy new year, and just be happy. And say hi to Mel. I will do. Thank you, Gary.

And a Merry Christmas to you. Lots of love. Thank you so much for listening and for listening to Season 3. That's it. Happy Christmas, one and all. Happy New Year. And we will be back in 2023 with Season 4 of the podcast. Until then, take good care of yourselves and thank you so much for listening.

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