That Gaby Roslin Podcast: Reasons To Be Joyful - Sebastian Croft

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

On this week's episode of the podcast, Gaby is joined by Sebastian Croft, star of one of the biggest shows on Netflix right now, Heartstopper. Sebastian (AKA Ben Hope from Heartstopper) chats about how he first got into the business, his early days in theatre and what it was like to be cast in HBO's Game of Thrones at such an early age. Also in the episode, Sebastian's take on Horrible Histories co-star Emilia Jones in the Oscar-winning CODA, and what it was like to work with Olivia Colman. Sit back, relax and listen to this absolute rising star. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to that Gabby Rawson podcast, part of the Acast Creator Network. My guest this week is Sebastian Croft, star of Heartstopper, the biggest show on the planet on Netflix at the moment. He was also in Horrible History's The Movie. He talks about being in musicals as a child. And we discuss his casting as young Bond in the musical version of Bond. That bit we do discuss, but it's not actually real. I do hope you enjoy listening to this. He is so lovely. Please can I ask you a favour?

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and also please write a review. Thank you so much. Sebastian Croft, my kids say thank you very much for heart stoppers. I say thank you very much. And I know the whole community say thank you very much. Oh, my word. Had you any idea when you were making it that heart stoppers was going to be a worldwide hit? Like, no, and even hearing you say that is mental.

It's insane. I think I had an idea of it meaning a lot to some people because it meant a lot to me, just the books. But no, this is crazy what is happening. It's kind of what you always hope for a project, but just I'd never expected this kind of reaction. So it's insane. It is a bit.

And I love the way, so we've spoken before, and I love the way you're excited about. it without being that sort of fake, flappy hand showbiz excited. Yeah. You know, people are going, oh, it is easy. You're just, okay, this is fantastic. It's like you're embracing what's happening for all the right reasons. I think genuinely, sometimes promoting something that you don't love is really difficult.

And this. Oh, what did you do that you don't love? Oh, no. Yes, straight in. No, you don't. No, but even things that you kind of do like on a surface level. Like even most projects are, you're very lucky if it's something that you love and you like the people who are making it and you're proud of what you did.

But it's very rare that you get this extra level, which I feel with this project with Heartstopper specifically, that it feels like it really deeply means a lot to a lot of people. And so talking about that has been very important not only for other people, but also for myself because I had such a strong connection to the book when I first read it and the people who made it and for so many reasons. And it's a shame that it is, but it feels very new that so many queer people have been involved in telling a queer story. And it's just also these people have become some of my best friends.

Like my life is with the project or not, like with Heartstopper or not. it's these people have become really close and really a big part of my life. I'm going to say English so people know what I'm actually saying. They've become some of my best friends. So now it's like all of the people who I'm closest to are doing well at the same time, which is such a beautiful thing. It's so rare that you get to go on this experience as a group of people as well. Yeah.

That's okay. Let's go back to the beginning then. Yes. Not of you. Let's go. Let's just do heart. Heart Stoppers and then we're going to go back and do, talk about other things. But so Alice does these graphic novels.

Yes. They're massive. She's big on social media. The show, then people, there's whispers about the show. How soon did you hear that you were up for it or auditioning? I'm going to talk me through all about it. Yeah. So I got sent an audition for this project called Heartstopper.

And my agent said they're the most beautiful books like, like go go read them and often when a when a script is based on a book it's kind of you'll go and read it or find out about it but i am really really dyslexic reading is so scary for me i have like a lot of fear from school of being you know embarrassed or feeling like i'm stupid because of struggling with reading so i can't just pick up a book and read it in a day um so i went to get the book with the intention of reading a few pages, getting a gist of what it was about. And I just found myself finishing the book in a day,

like in the afternoon. And that afternoon, going back and getting the second and third book. This is a graphic novel. A graphic novel, yeah. Sorry. And it was such a joyous, but also important,

but also kind of liberating book. And it felt so celebratory. Celebratory. Celebratory. It's just, it was amazing. I'm finishing it in that first day and then going and finding the second and third. And I had this horrible feeling in my stomach of like, I don't know what I'm going to do if I don't get this one. Wow.

Okay. That's a big, that's big for an actor. And it's not just to say that. Like I sent my agent a voice note basically saying that. Like I've never done that with a project before, just saying, I have to be a part of this in some way. it felt so important, it felt so rare, it felt so, just you could feel, you could feel this thing existing just outside of the story, this like, this magic of whatever the heart stopper magic is. And I just felt like I had to be a part of it.

And so sent off my audition and then I was out in Atlanta filming another show. And I'd been doing like a week of night shoots. and my agent called me and was like, oh, you've got a Zoom with Alice and Aeros, the director and Daniel Edwards, the casting director and I'd come back and I think I got in at about 8 in the morning

and then my Zoom was like at 11. So I had like an hour's sleep. It'd been like a long week, like a long slog of filming. Yeah, but you're only 20. It's fine. You don't need sleep. It didn't feel like that. And the audition was just,

I still is a. bit of a blur in terms of like I was running on about two hours of sleep. And I, I left the audition and I just like, I have no idea how that went. I was also that this thing of like being in an audition room with someone who like Alice was there and I was like, oh my God, it's Alice, but you can't say that. So I was like, I've got to be a professional, I've got to do work. And then a few days later found out that I got the part of Ben, which was amazing, very exciting. Just, you know, when you're, you've, you've wanted something so badly that hearing it, it took like quite a few days to kind of, I just kept remembering like, oh my God, this is going to happen.

Like, that's really cool. So were you more excited about that than you were when you heard you got Game of Thrones and you were sitting in school? Yeah. The genuinely nice thing, and I feel very fortunate about this, is that everything I've done has felt like a step in the right direction. if that makes sense. Like Game of Thrones was I think the first film or TV thing I ever got. And so, and it's Game of Thrones. Like, so, like, at the time that was the biggest possible thing that could

have happened in my universe of life, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, it does. And I feel like the same about heart stopper for that point in my life. I also feel like, um, especially with Heartstopper but with kind of every project that I think if Heartstopper, if I'd audition for heartstopper even a year before, I probably wouldn't have felt kind of the same confidence ready to do it. And I feel the same about quite a lot of projects. I feel like I'm usually about at the earliest I possibly could be to do that thing. And then you kind of grow on the, and learn on the job. So we'll carry on with Heart Stopper if we may.

So it's very important to the queer community this show. And it's interesting. You and I talked already about the very lovely Russell T. Davis, who I've known a long time and that's completely adored. And he posted about your show. And I know you met him as well. And for somebody like him to be so supportive. And your show is about love.

And what's so lovely is, in the community, very often, there's a lot of shows about it. So I think it's a sin was one of the best things ever to have been on television. And obviously they were talking about AIDS. Pose I was obsessed with. I mean, I literally devout, just devout it. But there was a lot of heartbreak. Yes.

And it was a tough, tough, tough watch. Yeah. This heart stopper is about love. Yeah. It is about the community, but it is about love. Yeah. That underlies everything about it. Yeah.

And it's simple. And I mean that in the, I hope, in the Alice, when she listens to this, hello Alice. Hey Alice. But to all of you, I mean simple in a very loving way. I hope you understand. Yeah, completely. me that's why this works. That simplicity is why I think it also connects with people who aren't queer or like my dad loved

the show and cried his eyes out. He must be the proudest dad. Oh, yeah. He also was like, you're a little shit. Like, stop being mean to Charlie. I was like, Dad is not me. That shows what good actor are you. No, my parents didn't like me being mean on screen.

But I think that simplicity is why everyone. can connect with it because like you said at the end of the day, it's just about two young people falling in love. And the Russell T. Davies thing is, I don't think he fully will understand the impact that he's had on a lot of young people and their ability to feel confident telling stories, but also just to be able to tell stories. I don't think Heart Stopper would exist without him because I don't think.

Wow. Well, because I think that, it wouldn't necessarily have, there would, like people wouldn't have the confidence in queer shows doing well because he's paved the way. Even when we were making heart stopper, um,

and it's a sin was coming out. There was this feeling of like, oh, queer shows can do really well. And it, it's a sin just took the world by storm. And seeing that, I think it's,

yeah, he's just, he's done so much. And he's so lovely. Like, I, I've only met him once. And it was,

last weekend and he just he genuinely cares about everyone and I was with Joe who plays Charlie and we both were with him and he just gave us so much time

and so much advice and was so lovely and I think it's people like him that really not only open the doors but then jam it open so that other people can come through so two things to say about that. Joe's grandfather contacted me. No. Joe's grandfather to tell me how lovely you were.

Oh. He said you're not like your character. Okay. Good. There we go. Thank you. Which I thought was very sweet. So when you speak to Joe, do tell him. And I must message him back. But also what so we spoke a week ago. Yes. And so when I was doing my research on you the day before and social media is very important. days. You know about casting. They look at how many people, follow you, all of this stuff. Obviously, you've got to be a great actor as well. But there you were with 100,000 followers, and now you've got half a million followers and the impact that you're making on young people is enormous. Do you feel like you're carrying something that you weren't expecting to carry now on your shoulders? That's a very heavy question. Yeah, no, it's an interesting one. And the pause

is mainly because this last week, I feel like I haven't fully at all processed what is going on. The fact that so many people have watched the show and then engaged with us on things like social media is insane. I think just being part of this show, I was aware that there would be a responsibility with just feeling, I feel like the especially people who have read the graphic novels

it feels like these characters have jumped out of the book and onto the screen and then onto Instagram and they're real living people that's really interesting that's very interesting and I just yeah I just I think that comes with a certain amount of responsibility

there was a certain amount of fear that people loved these characters and would they feel the same about the show because often book adaptions people feel like weren't representative of how they perceived it when they read it. So there's that element of it. But also, like you said, I guess carrying a weight of feeling like whenever you're telling a story that hasn't necessarily been told or is of people who don't usually get a story front

and center, you feel this responsibility to represent more than just yourself and kind of speak for a wider community. And I think there's an element of. that but also there now is a big community out there I mean we were um so we met Russell at the um craft baffters and there was a party before that which was the kind of pre-bafter party um and i ended up standing and chatting to um shuti from sex education um amari from it to sin and calum from it to sin and isn't he lovely Colin oh calum yes they're like all of the loveliest people but there was this moment where I was stood in this circle and we were actually talking about this sense of feeling

like a responsibility or um and I just I just feel like it could feel like um heart stopper is or the cast of heart stop have this kind of I guess bigger responsibility and I think that it it does come with that but I guess overwhelmingly it feels like there's so many people out there who are also representing that same community and who are wanting to tell these stories and so many fresh young, excited people who have yet to come

which I think I just feel like part of this big wonderful family rather than this sense of oh God I've got to represent everyone. Yeah. So there's a young man I work with he's 24 and what he said to me about your show

was that he wished he'd seen a show like this for him when he was 15 and 16 where he was I'll put it politely he said he wasn't particularly nice to people because he didn't understand what was happening and there was nothing like that on television

I think the response is also comes with a slight melancholy for a lot of people which is not only did most people not have that experience who are older but it's not a fair rep Like I think really it whilst it has honesty to it, it's probably the most positive representation of what it is to be at school and to be a queer person that's out there. So I think there's this weird mix of incredibly hopeful, incredibly uplifting. But also there was actually someone wrote an article about talking about this sense of it's beautiful, but I just I wish I'd had this and feeling kind of sad that they didn't.

Yeah. And I think that, I mean, I was really badly bullied at school. And if you're ever different in any way. Yeah. And look, I wonder what they'd say now. I had a beautiful moment, which was someone who was part of a group chat, which basically was about me and saying like, oh, his clothes are so gay. He's so this.

He's so that. Oh, lovely. Lovely stuff. Yeah. messaged me saying, oh, hey mate, it's been so long. Like, you know, we should go for a drink. And I was like, oh, glorious. And you did say no.

I just didn't reply. Good fight. Fantastic. But like the sad thing is that a lot of people experienced, have experienced, continue to experience bullying, especially for being different and especially for being queer. and it's really shit and whilst Heart Stopper is like a safe haven and a space that hopefully people feel a warmth and a happiness and a pride for who they are

it also I think for a lot of people comes with a sense of like I wish I had this when I was younger absolutely I think diversity on screen is so important and we talk about diversity a lot and there needs to be people of all colours there needs to be people of all colours there needs to be people of all sexualities, there needs to be people of all ages. And I think, and everybody needs that to look at. Yeah. You know, I've interviewed so many people who said that, you know, Rob Beckett, who says that when he was growing up, there was nobody like him on television.

So he thought it could never happen. Well, I, I have always, like 100% and I, I completely agree, but I don't think I understood the value of good representation until hearts. stopper. Yeah. Because we've had someone tweeted that they used one of the scenes in the later episodes where Nick comes out to his mom. They kind of watch that with their family and then kind of use that to open up the

conversation about coming out to their parents. And I think just I didn't realize how little representation and how little, like the first time I saw two people, two guys get married, I think was on modern family, which as in itself is kind of like a fun family show, not really talking about. But it's a lovely show. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we love it. But I think, and I must have been 12 or, and I don't know, it's just, I hadn't even, I hadn't even realized how little queer content I'd been exposed to until recently. And I think that representation is something that is spoken about so much,

but genuinely makes a huge difference to people's lives when they feel like they're seen. Of course. And I think that... But I think it's across the board. Yeah. And I think it's really, really important. And for all young people that to know that if they think, you know, if they're the person that's being bullied about the way they dress or because they can't read

or because I was always teased because I loved musical theatre. Yeah. I wanted to be a TV present. and everyone's like, oh, you. And you just think, no, everybody needs somebody that they can look up to, that they can see. Not that they worship, it's just, oh, if they did it,

then I can do it. You know, and I think that's really important. Where did this drive for being an actor come from? Because you were very young when you first were on stage. Was Oliver your very first thing? I did, I did, my first professional thing. Chitty, chitty, chitty, bang. It was on tour.

It came to my local theatre, which was in Oxfordshire. And I played, well, I was cast, they had like a group of local kids. And then within that, they had, um, a few people who had speaking lines. And I got,

I got the part of the toy maker's son, who has the pivotal line in Chittichita, Chitty Bang fine. Go on. Have you got any, I've fluffed it. No! Is it,

I can't remember whether it's, have you got any toys? No, don't try. No. Have you got any more toys? I'm sorry. No, you lost it. That spark.

That thing I had when I was seven, it's gone. You lost the part. But it was like, it was such a cool thing to have a line. It meant I got a microphone. I loved it. And I spent the whole time pestering the director being like, can I do more? Really?

At seven. Well, so it's something I've kind of spoken about a lot, which is kind of, I guess, how you get into acting or like, where does it come from? And it was never a conscious thing. It was never like, oh, I want to be a movie style. I want to be famous. It was, I used to put on plays in my living room. I used to do magic tricks. I used to play the piano.

Like, if you came over to my house when I was seven, six, eight, nine, 19, 20, you know, I'd pull you into the living room, throw on some costumes, and I'd start an improvised show that would end when you were built up the courage to say, I've got to go now. I would just like go on and on. And I just loved entertaining people, making people laugh. And so when I got the opportunity to do that on a stage, and I realized that you can make a career out of this

and that this was a thing. And also wasn't just me being the annoying little brother, but was actually something that my friends could come and see and think, oh, that's so cool, you're on stage. It started to feel like this tangible art form that I was discovering, not realizing that that's what it was. And so I've just been chasing that feeling. I get it. I get it. From the age of three, that's all I wanted to do. So I absolutely get it. And I love that you say you weren't thinking about fame because it wasn't about fame. I get the feeling for you that that's a byproduct. That's not what you're aiming for. I also feel lucky that I started in the theatre and especially by the time I got to perform on the West End, which was kind of always had been my dream and aspiration. And it was such an amazing feeling. But also,

you see these musical theatre stars or these people who have just done two hours of the most incredible singing, the most incredible acting, the most incredible dancing, absolutely killed themselves. And then you go out the stage door, maybe there's a few people to sign a program of,

and then you get on your bike or you get on the tube and you go back home. And there's this, it's just, it's not at all as glamorous in the theatre as people often think it is. Like, I remember seeing like mice of rats backstage and like, it's just,

And you're, it's hard, hard work. It's hard work. Eight shows a week. People have to sweat and tears and blood. And so I think growing up and seeing how much people sacrifice and how hard it is to even get a job. And then once you've got a job, it's still, that's not all, it doesn't become all easy. So I think starting in the theatre gave me a huge respect and appreciation for the work and what really matters. rather than like Instagram and parties and clothes.

Like all this stuff that's great. And if you do it right, that stuff can become something that amplifies your work, I think. And fun, make sure it's always fun. Yeah, exactly. It's not the be all and end all of everything. But it's not the end game. So obviously we have to talk about your parents

because, you know, it is there you were at seven years old at doing shows. And now, then you're Game of Thrones. I mean, many things. You know, it's, you're, your star is rising, rising, rising. Do your parents, when you come back from a day, do they just say, hello, dear, sit down, let's have supper,

and it's just that happens to be your job? Or were they, did they help you? Did they push you? Did they keep you back? You know, what's that like? I think that for a lot of kids who start in theatre, there's usually this kind of another force who's in some ways encourage them or push them towards that, which is fine, but, and great, but not at all the case

with my parents. They, not, and this isn't to say that they weren't at all encouraging, they have gone above and beyond in supporting me, but this was never their dream or their world. they both have normal jobs that do fun normal things and I just kind of I think I really pestered them to go to auditions and stuff like this but my God I like I feel so grateful for everything that they've done like my dad still does self tapes with me which is when you're auditioning for something and basically the first round is usually you film yourself at your home but like the amount of hours that my parents and my brother and sister have spent in the car driving me to auditions because we live in Oxfordshire when I was younger. And so it was like 45 minutes an hour each way to get into London. So if I wanted to go for an audition, that was like a day for one of the members of our family. That was like a day from the weekend.

And then when you get in a show, my parents would go up to London, do a day's work, wait. And then at 11 when I finished a show, drive me back and then get me up at 7 for the school. You all must have been exhausted. But like my point is only that it's not this kind of follow. and world that's just existed and that they're like oh sweetie that's lovely like let's have dinner they are as much a part of it as i am and i think that's the thing about going into the arts it's like it's never just you it's kind of a commitment from your community to support you through it

because like even six months ago i was i had a project that i'd i'd been cast in and then it got like pulled from under my feet feeling like that. And it was like, it just, it really like hurt and was really hard. And I was just crying my eyes out and my parents and my agent. Like that community of people were there to scoop me up and help me get back on the horse as it were. That's so important. Whether they like it or not, they're very much part of it. Okay, so let's talk about Oscars because of Amelia.

and because of Olivia. I mean, please. I mean, please. So, horrible histories. I met you very briefly at horrible histories at the big showbiz opening. And it was, that was such fun. And you were in that.

In fact, my daughter was watching it the other day. Again, that is lovely. It's a lovely film. And you were in it with Amelia, who is in Coda. And he's outstanding in Coda. Ridiculously good. Oh, my word.

You still in touch with her? Yes, still in touch with her. her. It's just, I'm like, it's, it's so lovely when good people do good things. I'm so pleased that you say she's good because I get the same to- She's- She just, her and her whole family, they are the sweetest people. And like, it also is insane because we used to, like, play in her garden and would talk about, you know, like Timothy Shalami, Sertia, Rohn, these kind of young idols that we had of, oh my God, did you see the Oscars? Oh, my God, did you watch the BAFTAs?

And for like three years later, for her to be in those rooms, being nominated for a BAFTA and so thoroughly deserved, she's incredible. Yeah, she really is. And also I feel like she won't know this, but for the community of people around her

who have grown up in the same position as her, going for auditions and kind of wanting to succeed, to see someone who felt so close to us, like being at the Oscars, there's, I feel like this sense. of oh my god like you can do like it can happen you know because it feels so alien those big award shows with these big famous people and to like the camera zoom in zoom in and to see amelia and her

mum claire there i was like ah have you spoken to her since the i have and she sent me a lovely message about heartstopper just saying oh lovely how great it is and um she yeah she's just lovely so now olivia because i love this story um you didn't know that olivia was going to be in heartstopper so they had this like olivia coleman olivia Coleman, just in case anyone didn't know, the Olivia. It's like Madonna, it's just one word. Yeah, Olivia. One name. They have a call sheet, which is kind of numbers of, you know, like just the cast,

like just basically a list of the cast. And there was just this like mystery number three. And everyone was like, who's number three? They're playing next mum, we don't know. And there were all these like rumors going around set of who it might be. And as a joke, we put one of the crew members photo on number three, like the number three sheet. And so I sent a message to our like, we've got a heartstopper group chat. I was like, guys, I know who number three is. And I was about to send this like photo of one of the crew members. And

I got this message from Kit being like, Patrick's just told us who it is like, don't tell anyone else. Like we can't like, people can't find out. And I was like, oh, I was joking. And Patrick, the producer was stood next to Kit and Joe. And they were like, oh my God, bash knows who number three is. And Patrick was like, okay, I'm going to tell you, but like we have to keep this under wraps. And so it was kind of an accident how we ended up finding out originally because until she was actually on set, I think they were like, didn't want to say anything. Wow. But yeah. And how lovely is she as well? So lovely. Like just I don't know how she has the energy for everyone because it doesn't matter who you are. She doesn't just say hi. She will she will listen deeply. And she's incredible. She's like truly, when you're in a. room with her, you're just, I'm aware that I'm watching something, like, miraculous.

She's, um, uh, I think she'd be embarrassed for me saying this, um, but I would say that she's Judy Dench. She's, yeah, she's iconic. And, and also I think that she won an Oscar, like, and, and yet she would come and do a small part on our show because she loved the director, but also because she loved the director, but also because she loved the story. Yeah. And I think as an actress now who has so much power

and can choose where they put their time and energy and give something a voice for her to like really go out of her way to be a part of the show and to support it, it's just, it's incredible and she's incredible. So now you've met Russell T. Davis and he's back on Doctor Who. Are you going to be the new Doctor Who? Let's start that rumor. Let's start that.

Can we start that rumor? Maybe James Bond. Yeah. Because it's he both. Yeah. Yeah, at the same time. Dr Who and Bond. All right, you have to choose. Okay.

Right. In my right hand, Doctor Who, my left hand, James Bond. Straight away. You're going James Bond. You're 100%. Well, what happens if Russell says he wants you to be Doctor Who and now he hears you say that? I know.

I mean, listen, Russell, it was an either raw. I'm sorry. I've got to go for Bond. No, I mean, Bond was like... Bond's in the future. Me and my... No, I'd love to play a Bond villain. I think that would be so much fun.

But me and my dad and my brother would watch Bond. religiously and it feels more than just like one of these franchises it's like it's very much a part of my family and also i'd love to see where bond goes in the next few years and to open up what have they done young bond they haven't listen barbara broccoli if you're listening no but they have they done a prequel no there's eyes guys you can't you can't see this on the podcast but there's an eye connection okay We need to, just let's start this rumor. Barbara.

Okay, so you could be young, Bond. I'm loving this, by the way. If only casting was this easy. Bash is Bond. If only we could like, you know. Oh, I love casting. I love doing the casting game. This is great.

If you can cast me as Bond. Yeah. Let's see who, but I think your mother. Yeah. Kate Winslet. I mean, what a compliment. Okay. So Kate Winslet as your mum.

And then maybe like the show is a about like a radio host assassin and it's you. Oh, but you can I be in it? Obviously. No, but your dad. You pass me, come, you have to be it. Okay, wow. Okay.

Lucky me, people are that. How did that happen from those de glorious parents? I'm the evil villain. Oh, yes. You want to be a villain? Yeah, no. Also, because it's like a modern take on the spinning chair because you're in a radio chair.

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Little white cat is actually the microphone. No, I'm allergic to cats. But it's the, you know, like, boom, white. You stroke a microphone that you interview people with. But I don't actually want to kill anybody because I don't like that. I want to be a villain.

So maybe you do like a Kingsman thing where you don't like blood, but other people kill people for you. No, I don't want anybody to get killed. No one dies. I know. Here's the first pacifist bond film. Yes, but everyone has to be in a musical theatre show. Yes.

There we go. It should end with a musical number. Yes. 007 strikes again. I think we've got, I think we should call some people. That's it. Okay, that and Doctor Who, so Russell. Yeah, I mean, are you?

Yeah, I'm so excited to see what he does with it. It might be you. Who knows? I mean, it won't be, but it might. Let's start that rumor. Let's start that. Just before we wrap up, we got to talk about your music that you didn't want to talk about on the radio. So obviously, there is music.

There is. It's obviously you don't want to talk about it because you're now smiling and crushing. Not like, not don't want to talk about it. But I have no idea what I'm doing with it. I just like writing music, whenever I didn't have a. acting I had writing music and at school I would frequently scyve lessons slash if I was having a shit time just not show up and just spend my time like playing the piano and writing music um and it was so therapeutic and so lovely and whenever friends come over and they want to hear music

sitting down in an evening and playing people's songs brings me so much joy um but i've just i've got no idea where I'd take it, what I'd want to do with it. Like, it's hard enough to be a successful singer and a successful actor, let alone trying to do both at the same time. But at some point, I'd love to do something with it, because mainly just because the thought of not share, like, putting it out in the world makes me sad, even if only one person listens to it, because all of, like, it's not kind of, I want to be a pop star. It's like, all of my music and every song I've written is reflective of a very important, either very good or very bad point in my life. And even like when I left school, the last thing I did was I did like a concert thing.

And that felt like a real moment of confidence in playing my songs in front of people who didn't like, you or haven't been nice to me. And lots of these songs were about these people. And I was like, fuck you. I'm out of here. So music will always have. a sense of like empowerment to me. So I'd love to do something with it, but I just don't know what. You'll know when it's time though as well. So don't let anybody push you into that. Like I said, you're a star.

It's so exciting to talk to you now. And in another 10 years when I come back and interview you again, hopefully I'll see in between that. Yeah, I mean, come on. Another 10 years. Don't have to wait 10 years until we see each other again. And you've got you and Amelia and you've both got a couple of Oscars and you're now. You've done young Bond.

Imagine it's happened. We've done our film, the musical James Bond. Thank you so much for having me. Honestly, it's a dream. You're so lovely. Please thank your lovely family as well. I will. Thank you so much.

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