That Gaby Roslin Podcast: Reasons To Be Joyful - Vicky Pattison

Episode Date: October 17, 2021

This week Gaby chats with the lovely Vicky Pattison. They talk about the TV programmes ‘Geordie Shore’ and ‘I’m A Celebrity Get Me Out of Here’ where she found fame. She talks very openly about how it felt to become so famous so quickly. They chat about her gorgeous puppy dog Milo and finding happiness with her boyfriend Ercan. Plus, her acting in the ITV sitcom called ‘Buffering’; her brilliant podcast called ‘The Secret To’, and writing her autobiography, self-help books and a novel. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to that Gabby Roslyn podcast. I always love chatting to the gorgeous lovely Vicky Patterson. We of course talk about the TV program's Jordy Shaw and I'm a celebrity Get Me Out of Here where she found fame. She talks very openly about how it felt to become famous so quickly. We chat about her gorgeous puppy dog Milo, finding happiness with her boyfriend Erkan, plus her acting and the ITV sitcom buffering.

Her brilliant podcast called The Secret 2, and writing her autobiography, self-help books and a novel. She is one inspiringly busy lady, and I adore her. Enjoy. Please, can I ask you a favour? Would you mind, please, following and subscribing, please, by pressing the follow or subscribe buttons, please. This is completely and utterly free, by the way.

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But please, thank you. Vicki, do you know what? It's very funny. I was explaining who you were to my 14-year-old and she follows you on Instagram and she says, oh, you mean the girl who's very lovely. And do you know what?

I thought that was the perfect way to describe you. I said, yeah, the girl who's very lovely. And I love that my kids think that too. And whenever I'm lucky enough to have met you in real life. And I said to your face, I just think you're lovely. Oh, Gabby, honestly, she's obviously a chip off the old block there. She sounds so nice. It's really sweet.

Like I often, I think I stopped doing nightclub pays and all that sort of stuff like, God, ages ago now, but it was because, like, young people walk home looks and saying things like, my mom really likes you. So I sort of realized, like, oh, hang on, I think I'm out of the side of this market now. So, yeah, most young people might only know me from Instagram, to be fair, but it's lovely. I'm still having some sort of an impact. Well, you are. And I think what you do, through your social media, um,

Vicky is you're a real reality star. So you and I've had this conversation before, but you are a woman's woman. You appreciate life. You appreciate the small things, but you'd say it as it is, but you're not rude about it. And you've got heart and you really do care.

And you came to everybody's, you know, people who might not have known who you were before when you started out in 2011, I think it was with Georgie Shaw. When you did I'm a celebrity, suddenly everybody sat up and went, oh my God, who's that? She's fantastic. I want her to be my friend.

I mean, that seemed to cut through, didn't it? I think I was a set to get me out of here with a huge, like, pivot enrollment in both my life and my career for that matter. Before that, I had just been on Joanie Shore. And it's a very divisive show, and I was a controversial character. And, you know, it's totally different to Ama Celeb. Like, I'm a celebrity, you completely get what you see. You can't make a good person look bad and you can't make a bad person look good, I don't think.

Like, the show's turned around too quickly. Like, it's just the nature of the show. But with Joie Shaw, you get sort of like 100 hours of footage goes into 45 minutes of show. And it kind of times be incredibly contrast. So for me to be able to have that second chance to show the public, like the real me, I considered it invaluable. And I'll always be dead grateful that IDV and the jungle for that opportunity, I suppose.

Do you know, let's go back before, Jordy Shaw. You know, you were working on the Dory Nightclubs. You were a regular girl. You had your issues which you've spoken about so honestly. And that's why I think everyone says what a lovely girl because you're so honest about things and there's no BS about you. But before all of that, did you want to be,

and I'm going to use the word and we're going to come back to this word, did you want to be a celebrity before that? Did you want to be famous? So, no, I don't think being famous was ever particularly on my radar although it's weird to bring that up. My mom's moving house and I was literally just sitting in our garden at the weekend And we're going through old photos and stuff, and there's a picture of when I've gone to like the old this morning studios, you know, I need to have the floating British Isles outside. And I'm there and I'm sitting on set holding a little bit of paper, pretending I'm doing like the morning roundup or the news or a segment or something.

So it was probably always in the back of my mind that I wanted to be something within the world I found myself in. But I think it's safe to see. I had no idea exactly what I wanted to be. I just wanted to be successful. So what was success then to you in those days? Not now, but in those days. Well, success looked different. Like, you know yourself, man.

Like, the older you get success totally, what you see and what you deem to be success, totally changes. But when I was younger, like, one minute I wanted to, one minute I wanted to be like the UK's answer, the Carrie Bradshaw, you know? I saw myself running around London and a pair of Jimmy Choo's and a tutu influencing a generation with my words. And then the next second is like, I want to work behind the scenes.

Like, I want to be that really super, really busy TV producer shouting into like a headpiece. Like, I had no specific idea of what I wanted to do. I just knew I wanted it to be fun and fast-paced and probably in the world I found yourself in now. If I'm honest, just whether it was behind the camera in front of it, I wasn't too fast. So then when you did, Georgie Shaw, you were suddenly, and again, that's where I'm coming back to that. fame and celebrity suddenly didn't creep up on you. It was bam bam, here I am. I mean, it was a massive change to your life.

Lots of people can't handle it. So how did you do it? How did you manage that? I think like anyone who's like followed me journey closely or even like watch Jody Shaw and had like memories of the people we used to be back then. And I didn't really deal with it very well. And I certainly didn't have the correct tools to navigate the huge level of pressure and scrutiny that I was under. I would have gone from being completely unknown to the most controversial show on TV completely overnight.

And I found it really difficult. We were given, like, you know, your basic media training and stuff like, that and MTV did tell whether we were always there if we needed anything but it's just not enough like for young kids like I think I was one of the oldest at like 22 or something so how young some of the lasses and lads must have been like it was at times really traumatic like you're just learning so much about yourself in your late teens early 20s you're working out who you want to be and you're so vulnerable and insecure like I didn't have half a confidence in so. I didn't have half a confidence in like self-worth I've got now. So to

feel really like a fish out of water in the new world you're in, but also have everyone else telling you how, you know, you don't look right or they don't want you on the TV. Like it's, it was an incredibly transitional but also a difficult time for me and I don't know if I did deal with it very well, but I had no alternative. Like I didn't know any better. Isn't it horrible though from that moment that fame happens or however it comes that you're being judged actually not, you know, regular people in the street

and that's what you're so outspoken about but for that minute there you were at 22 being judged and just people had absolutely their opinion of you and that was it, it was really blinkered and they're judging every single part of you and they couldn't see past their thoughts. I think it's human nature and it's super sad

And so I have took like such a strong stance against it. Like everybody is different and everybody has their own journey. And you can't judge anyone until like you've walked a mile in their shows. Like I believe this. So when I first started on Jordan George George was just like 10 years ago now, just fucking terrifying. At the same time as like reality TV was having this huge resurgence, social media kicked.

off as well. And it wasn't like your Instagrams and your TikToks, of course, everyone knows that came much later. It was Twitter. And I always think Twitter is, it probably didn't start this way, but it's quite a vicious space. Yes. And like not only was I dealing with like the reality TV juggernaut that had just exploded, Jody Shaw, Towie, Maid and Chelsea, everything, people were also now getting their head around the fact that not only were the same people's lives unfolded on reality they were also allowed to have an opinion and not just an opinion that they could share with their mates down the pub or over a glass of wine when the kids were in bed but they could share this opinion with the person they were writing about and like I can criticize the trolls

or the negativity or the people who are writing it all I want but the fact is like the people who are just learning as well I think the fact that the amalgamation of both of these things joining like coming to coming to fruition at the same time led people to people. to have more easy access to people on the TV than they'd ever had before and it was exciting but also a very for the people that were the targets a very scary time and I do think people have learnt like a lot over the last say 10 years and there's so many important movements and so many brilliant people campaigning for change but I also think we've got a hell of a long way to go as we've just seen by God the latest reaction to have

show of footballers in the World Cup final. Oh, God. Even the way the people are talking about the lovely young lot on Love Island, like that scares us. I just feel like I don't know how long it's going to take us to learn, but I know these huge platforms, Instagram, social media, TikTok, whatever they are, they have a responsibility to make people do better, even if they won't do it themselves.

But you stand up for it. I mean, you always speak out, you really do, about, I mean, anything from, you know, the pictures of you in a bikini and going, hold on, this is the reality, to you going out in the evening and you've had your hair and your makeup and you're looking gorgeous and you do look gorgeous. And then you go, here's the reality. This is me the next morning. I've got spots. I've got, I'm hung over. I've got, you know, I've got a wrinkle. I've got all of these things. And, and also you call out the trolls. I mean, it's a strong thing to do. You're a strong girl, but also you've got, you're very, you're sensitive as well.

You know, you and I've spoken about that. You're very sensitive as well, but my God, if more people were to just, it's such an easy thing for me to say, but just be kind. I know. Honestly, Gab, you'll get so sick of, like, just urging people to do, like, just that. Like, I thought last year in particular, when we were going through such a difficult time, not even just as a nation, but as, like, a world. On an international scale, we were all struggling with being separated from the people we love.

from being in this like new, new normal. And you'd think, like, in that, given that we... Oh, sorry. There's Milo. Milo's here. So this dog, doggy day again. Bear with me one second. Please hold that.

Go, go, go, go. Completely. But is that the first time that your baby, that Milo has gone off? Yeah, that's it. So he's, it's the first time I've had, like, a day without him. in the house so I um I had I've had like a couple of photoshoots and a little bit to filming and stuff but I've always

known he was in the house with these dads so I didn't mind but it's the first time how do you feel now um or it's weird gab so I feel like you probably be able to relate this we are kids I feel a sense of freedom which I haven't had like in the five weeks since I got him I feel like shit like I can actually relax but also I do feel like a bit a bit a bit Dad. I love him so much. I remember, do you know what? With my first puppy, I remember, so I remember leaving, this is when my mum was still alive, and I remember leaving the puppy with my mum and dad, and I sobbed. I literally left and sobbed. My mother said,

the dog is going to be fine. I've, I've bred dogs, you know, and I went, I know, but it's still, I feel odd leaving it. And I promise your baby will be fine. but it's still that first feeling is really it's very emotional yeah oh no i mean the the dog walk has just said there and your mom's totally bob on like the dog's gonna be fine it's you i'm asking if if you're okay and i suppose like i've got i've got no kids have i gab this is my first like dip into the world as being a primary care give up or anything and how much effath and how much energy and how much time goes into looking after them like i was completely unprepared for i'm so overwhelmed at the minute, but I was also unprepared for just how much I was going to love them.

Yes. I can tell. It's a lot. I can tell. But isn't it a wonderful, wonderful thing? Dogs are just, I love dogs. I wish I could have one. My husband's allergic. Sometimes I look at him and think, maybe I could say goodbye to you and get a puppy. But no, no, no, I don't. I don't. That's only a joke. I absolutely love my husband. Honestly, I would be feeling exactly the same thing. Like, how much do I really So it has changed your life though, hasn't it? Why does it's changed your life? 110% like I was living quite a, don't get me wrong, like a really lovely life, but probably quite an empty, selfish one.

And I didn't have, you know, you've got your responsibility to keep the house tired, you go to work on time, all that sort of stuff. But I never really had any real responsibility until Milo's come along. and it's a baptism of fire. I'm not going to lie. I feel like a new man. I'm constantly on edge. When he sleeps, I'm like,

oh my God, now I can sleep. Like, I am so exhausted, but so in love. So I think it's as close to being a new man as I've ever felt anyway. Would you really call yourself selfish? I think you give out. I wouldn't call you selfish. I think that's really nice. I always endeavour to look after the people who are in my life, you know,

and like I've always got time for everyone else. But, you know, when you don't have anybody else to look after, and when you're just focused on your life, I think you can be quite selfish. So, yeah, I did what I want, when I want to do it. And those days are long gone now with Milo's arrival. He is ruling the roost, the little fluffy butthole. Yeah, when you go out and you know you have to get back in,

you have to get back because of the dog, there's always that in the back of your mind. Yeah, oh, he's constantly in the back of your mind. And yesterday, I went out for like a couple of hours. And my neighbour, when I come back in, he was like, was everything all right, made. I saw you running into the house. And I was like, I missed my love.

He was like, I thought the house was on fire or something. I was like, oh, no, I've been gone for a couple of hours. I missed my mind. Oh, that's so lovely. That's so lovely. And you seem, do you know what? You seem incredibly happy now because, you know, your relationships have been very public because you've also chosen to discuss somewhere on television.

People were very aware of the past and what's happened to you and how they've treated you. But you seem to have found, oh gosh, it does sound, this is going to sound like a Disney movie, but you seem to have found happiness. The two of you together, before Milo came along, you just seemed to get each other. It's a really nice man, Gabby Lake.

I am very lucky. And I do feel like I was Jew and, very nice man because like you see I haven't had the best of luck and don't get us wrong like we still have ups and downs like any of that couple um I blame disney for completely um making me feel like relationships are just meant to be like rainbows candy blossom kittens every day because we all know that's a load of bollocks um yeah but he's he's great um he's a nice man he's very handsome which helps he's really supportive um and want a lot of the same things which i think is the key thing there like in the past i think blokes have

have wanted to be with me and like the idea of me so they've been keen to go along with what i think the thought i wanted but you know like if some like people have just you've got to be happy in yourself and there's no point going along with what someone else wants because the truth always comes out in the end so no me and her can want the house the doggy both in the marriage and kids one day so It feels nice to be with someone who's on my page and on my wavelength and really supportive of the things I'm doing professionally. Do you know, you're saying marriage, those are the things that you want. And I love that because there you were as a little child pretending you were on this morning or being Carrie Bradshaw. And now it is the dog, the house, the babies, the wedding, all of that.

And there's something, it's usually the other way around. You know, it's very funny. As a child, little girl, little girls sort of say, oh, I want to be the princess. I want to have children. I want to have babies. And I love that it's come to you this way around. And it just feels so, you seem calmer.

That's what it is. You seem calmer. No, I think, Erkan is the ying to my young, I suppose. I'm quite a fast-paced, very neurotic person. You know, like larger than life personality. But he's the polar opposite. He's just a very calming influence on my life.

And would he compliment each other in that respect? I give him a little bit of a kick up the ass every so often, which is what he needs. And he provides me with a safe space, something calming. Like, he's my solace, I suppose. And yeah, I think, like I said to you before, Gavs like, as you get older, your idea of what successes changes. And for me, through the years, it has always looked different.

So whether it was, you know, being not, on this morning or whether it was winning the jungle or whether it was buying me own house like it was always really me standing on me on two feet and they'd been very professionally successful that was always always what I wanted when I was growing up when I was younger

that's what drove us but now and by no means I'm done and finished like I've still got so many goals but oh God I hope so yeah God but something happens to women in their 30s and honestly it's unfair because the same thing doesn't bloody happen to

But you start to crave things that maybe it's always been on your radar, but maybe it's like me had never been on your radar before. So I do want, like, stuff that I've never anticipated wanting, like, I crave a healthy, happy relationship, I crave peace and quiet. Like, I love quiet nights in with Urkan. I would love to be a mom. I'd love to get married. So, yeah, I think it's funny that as you get older, you probably realize what's really

important. For me it's just being really content, really happy and being loved. Oh, how perfect. How perfect. And you're going to make a wonderful mummy. But you've written, I mean, you've written your books, you've done your novels, you've got books about how to find happiness. You've got your fantastic podcast, The Secret Too, which I love. I love your podcast. It's so real. You've got, you've got your fashion range. You've got, you've been in a sitcom with Love Islands Ian, who wrote it buffering, you know, with incredible cast. You've presented TV shows. Goodness me.

And you're still only in your early 30s. That is a phenomenal amount of things to do. So there you are saying you crave peace. I'm not surprised because that's a hell of a lot of things to be on so many plates. And I'm not going to use the word juggling because I hate that expression. Because it's not about juggling. It's about, okay, it's sorting out your diary. Okay, so we got this today.

I'm going to be acting today. going to be presenting today, I'm going to be writing today. I just think it's all there. And then when you said you've still got so much to learn, you've got so much still to give. No, I mean, God, like, back in the day, and, like, I used that term loosely because it was, like, when my mom was younger. But, like, she was completely led to believe that, like, you had to have it all figured out by 30, and that's when you had your kids, and that's when you, like, became a housewife and blah, blah, blah, blah. But now, like, there's just so, the world is different.

and it looks so much different for women. Like we can do anything we want to do and we are no under obligation to be the same as one mothers or even the same as one mates. Like if you want a fast-paced, fancy life traveling the world and kissing boys in different continents, that's perfectly okay.

But if you want loads of babies and a lovely partner who adores you and that's okay too. So, yeah, I love me life the way it is, and I'm super grateful for all the opportunities I've had. But, like, I'm by no means done. If anything, I'd love to think I was just warming up. Do you know, it's very interesting, though.

I mean, I think you are just warming up. I really do. And I think you're around for a very long time. But do you care what other people think? See, that's my big downfall. That, Gabs, I care too much, you know. Yeah, you still do, then. God, like, I don't know at what age you get to when you just don't give her.

You don't give us, like, an F. But even my mom, like, she's a very strong, sassy woman, and she is starting to care less and less. But, like, I see something still get to where, you know, little arguments with certain people or comments online and stuff. And even looks from people in the street. Like, it's a very difficult thing. I think as human beings, like, it's so normal to,

it's a desire to be loved and you've got to crave like being accepted by your peers and stuff like that I just think it's so normal so there's a fine line between like wanting to be a nice person and be a good person and hoping people like you and also knowing that you'll be all right if they don't and that's real confidence that's real self-acceptance of who you are and I think for most people it's an ongoing battle I know I'm struggling with it like I I I I I have spent so long, especially my like performative years and Jodie Shaw and stuff, being super divisive and not liked by many people that I think it's natural that now I'm in a place where people say the real name and they like it, like I'm desperate for that to continue.

So I try not to beat myself up over too much. I feel like, you know, it's nice to be liked and most people like that. Unless you're a Katie Hopkins character or the P.S. Morgan who doesn't mind being controversial. I think it's super natural and normal. So yeah, I could definitely do better. And I could definitely just every so often be like, you know, fuck this, this is me. And if they don't like it, that's fine.

But there is still a part of me that just thinks, oh, God, I just wish everybody who's nice and like us. That's very interesting because what you put out on your social media is for everybody to go, you know, like yourself. And, you know, you've been so open about your social media. mental health issues. And I think that's what my daughter said about, oh, isn't she lovely? And actually, we were with a friend last night, it doesn't matter who it was, but this person's very well known. And I said that I was going to be chatting to you for my podcast and that I was going on your

podcast. And she's, you know, she's very well-known actress and she just went, oh, I love her. She says it as it is. And she makes me feel all right about myself. And she's just lovely. And and it's interesting how you've turned that around but still I get the feeling that you don't believe in yourself enough and I think that's, you know, what you give out, I want you to keep some for yourself as well. I mean, that's a harder thing, isn't it? And I know, I don't know, like I always say, I think for women,

but you know, I've got no experience of being a man, so maybe it's men I like this as well, but I always think, like, we're so hard on myself as women. we've got so much time for everybody else like you tell your daughters you tell like you're smart you're beautiful you're going to be brilliant like today's going to be great you tell them but do you ever tell yourself like you spend ages looking after your husband making sure like he eats right and he has a good day do you do the same for yourself like when you're in work you make sure everyone is comfortable everybody's happy like everybody's having a good experience

but are you doing it for yourself like I think most women are natural caregiver whether it's for their kids, their partners, the people around them, whatever. And it's very rare that they stop and take a breath and turn all of that kindness, all of that care inwards, they look at themselves. So that is the long game for me to be as kind to myself as I am to others and show a little bit of that, put a bit of that love inward, I suppose, because it's a harder with battle learning to love yourself, I think.

I definitely think it's a difficult one. Yeah, yeah, it is. And lots of people have a huge problem with it. And also, I think it's to do with, yeah, giving out a lot of kindness. But also there's this sort of jealousy thing. And I think a lot of women, I think maybe I'm wrong. I just think women seem to suffer with jealousy more than men. Maybe I don't know. Maybe I'm completely wrong. Maybe I haven't met that many jealous men. but a woman, you're there for other women and I hope that they're there for you and not jealous of you. You know that because you do look gorgeous and you do have what is perceived to be a really lovely existence. You know, you've got, you've got Urkan, you've got the dog, you've got your new house, you've got your books, you've got your fashion, you've got all of that and you have great weekends and you go up and see your mum. and I feel funny saying mum because I should say ma'am but then it would be really weird in my accent

because you call it, she's your ma'am. But all of that and there will be people who are jealous of that and then they'll put out and they won't look after them do you sort of mean? It seems to be another way of beating themselves up. I think when it comes to like social media

and stuff like that and like you perceive life, it's really difficult because people create these like very carefully contrived images of themselves to show online. And it is an awful lot of pressure for them to live this facade, but it's also an awful lot of pressure on other people. And that's what builds this like culture of jealousy and hate online.

Because whenever you, whenever a troll like say something or someone, a taxi who feels jealousy says something negative, like it never really is about you, it's about them and what their life is lacking. your post, your picture, your happy announcement, whatever, it held a mirror up to them and showed them what their life was missing. And, like, I've voted loads of people about this, and everyone always says, you know, you need to show them kindness and you need to do this.

And what's easy I said than done sometimes when you're having a bad day, when you miss your man, like, when you got up late, you're running around or you're on your period. Like, it's so hard to take those things on the chain and extend that kindness when you feel like telling them to bore off. So I just always try and remind myself that whenever anybody is nasty or attacks you or it's like aggressive online, it saves more about them than it does about you and shows them maybe some an area of their life that they need to work on.

But I agree with you and I know it's very, it's not very feminist of me, but I do feel like jealousy comes from women more than it does men, which is a real shame because we're all in this together, lasses, and we're all just figuring. it out and none of what have really got a clue. So wouldn't it be nice if we're just all supported each other? I think it's a very worrying emotion jealousy. I think of all of them. I hate jealousy.

I hate greed. Oh, I hate greed. Ugly emotions, that's what we call them. Oh, can we talk about you acting? So let's talk about, let's go to the sitcom, buffering. So tell me about this. I love that you're doing this. Do you know what?

It's so easy. I feel like I'm getting so much unwarranted. unwarranted prayers heaped upon heaped upon us. It literally was just myself, Gab. Like, I had a cameo as myself. So it's dead easy. It was dead easy because I was just me. Granted, like a caricature of myself, a very exaggerated version. But yeah, it was, it was great. And it was so easy to do because, like I say, it was written for me by Ian and his lovely writing partner. And it was just me being silly and being me, I suppose. But yeah, I had such a nice time like that's my background really um my degree was drama media and cultural studies so

elements of all sorts are a real mixed bag but drama was my first passion so it was lovely to be able to flex those muscles again i think there'll be more of that i really do oh i do and then your podcast as well so the secret too it's very real it's very you it's very because you love people you love having a conversation you and i mean you know if we ever got together we and we weren't recording, we would not stop. I think we'd probably talk the hide legs of everything. But your podcast as well, you're very passionate about that, aren't you? Yeah, I think my podcast was a real labour of love. Like, I wanted to do one for quite some time, but you know, the longer I waited, Gabby, like the more pressure I felt, because the more popped up. And I thought, ah, God, is there

even anything to talk about anymore. So I got so in my own head about it. But lockdown provided me with the perfect excuse and opportunity to really sit down and come up with a format that I was passionate about. And you're right, like, I love chatting and I love talking, and I love to get to know people, and I like to have a laugh. But who I am has certainly changed over the last couple of years. And I wanted it to have a message. So that's where the secret two idea came from. People, my lovely guests, like you will be in the next couple weeks, they divulge a couple of pearls of wisdom. So our gorgeous listeners can learn something. And it can be anything like Telling Brooke, The Secret of Feeling Fabulous at 40.

Eamon Holmes, the secret of longevity. Gabby Allen, getting over a bad breakup. You know what? Like there are so many lovely things we're going to learn from these fab people. So I'm absolutely loving writing it. And of course, it's spawned a book as well. So I can't complain. It's certainly keeping it busy.

Yeah. And also, your autobiography that you updated and then novels. I mean, a novelist as well. You know, honestly, I'm really bit of a geek. Like, I'm in love with the written word. And I'm sure you'll be able to tell, like, as everybody winters, how long my Instagram posts are, I just can't help myself. I am, yeah, obsessed with the English language and writing and articulate myself and communicating.

It's how I express myself, I suppose, mostly. So after the success of my autobiography, which was God years ago now, but it's still a super big achievement and I love doing it. So I try to turn my hand as the novel writing. And you know, I feel like you've got to celebrate your wins, but you've also got to like own your losses as well. It didn't have huge commercial success. And I think it's a bit of a learning curve, like the days of the whole celebrity driven, novel, you know, like Katie Price had huge success and all that. They were kind of on their way out. So although I love doing them, I don't know that if as many people read them as probably

should. So maybe I should stick to what I know, which is the whole more self-help and inspiring and personal experience kind of route. Yeah, but you've done it. You've done it. Do you know, you've used the word. I want to go back to that word. So the word celebrity, I think it can be a really divisive word. Yeah, go. I think it's overused. And I think it's overused. And I think probably is misused, but what does the word celebrity mean to you? I think some of the hardest moments of my life have happened because, yes, I exercise bad judgment, but also because, like, I am who I am. I'm not scornful of where I am now. I'm incredibly grateful and super appreciative of all of the decisions I made, whether they ended

of being, like, misguided or whatever, because it's led us to be who I am and be where I am. but you know some of the loneliest times in my life some of my darkest moments they were specifically because I am in the limelight and I'm not going to sit here and be like, oh for a little reality TV start because I'm so lucky

I know I've got a very charmed life but it's you can't add light without shade in any walk of life and I certainly think there's a fair share of shade that goes along with being someone in the public like I and I don't know like I would I have chose this life for myself if I could go back and look and see what I would like all the things that would happen probably still because like I

say I'm so grateful I've got a lovely house a lovely fella a lovely family and I'm able to treat them and spoil them because of where I am but yeah there's there's definitely a darker side to celebrity, whether it be like the trolling, whether it be having everyone have an opinion of you, whether that be right or wrong, whether it just be constantly knowing that your life is truly not all your own, sure. There's good and bad, mate, and I don't think it's, I don't think it's as desirable as people thought. Yeah, isn't it funny? People want to be, little girls who say, you know, when you say, you know, what do you want to be when you grow up? I don't suppose people say it anymore but when I was little everyone said it and I used to say I want to be a TV

presenter and they'd say oh because you want to be famous and I just no I just want to be on tell you I just want to make tell you because I love tell you I didn't understand that whereas nowadays people you know if you ask a young person what do you want to be they'll say famous yeah I want to be a celebrity but that's not an that's just that's not an ambition that's not a doing anything no that's just a I don't that's what I mean about the word I just wonder how people People perceive the word. We're fascinated by it, aren't we? And I think, like, TikTok, social media, Instagram, reality TV, all those things have created

this world that I'm not sure is entirely healthy. And yeah, like, I remember all, I wanted the all sorts of stuff when I was growing up. Like I mentioned just a few of them, say, before, but I know I gave a talk at, like, a school leave us thing once and it was designed to help like to inspire children to get the higher education like I did six form I went on the uni I graduated I loved me time in school and higher education but like I was meeting everybody at the end and they were coming up with their questions and this fella just come up to us and I was like are you all right so I was like so what are you hoping to do after after six form and he's like I want to be the next Scotty tea

and obviously that's like a character from Jody Shaw like I'm not even sure Scotty T and Scotty Teague, you know what I mean? I was like, um, okay, you know, like, you could be yourself, like his dad was standing behind him just shaking his head, like, he's going to do a plumbing course. And I thought, you know, I love that, like, I love that his dad's very guiding in sight because, God, Plum has meant, it's a license to print money if you do it right, and we all need them. So I just think if I could instill anything in young people, it would be like, Yes, Chacy Dreams, like be exactly who you want to be. But be you.

Like, everybody else is taken. Whether it's Scotty T, whether it's someone from Love Island, whether it's me, like, we're all taken. So be you and do it authentically and do it well. And God, you'll have a happy life. Good for you. Do you, the thing I always ask on this podcast is what makes you belly laugh, what makes you properly, properly laugh. And you like to giggle. Oh, I love a good laugh, guys.

Honestly, I think it's the best medicine. man, isn't it? It really is. That makes you laugh. I mean, Nailau is a constant source of joy for me. But other than that, like, I'm such a sucker for, like, nice comedy shows. Like, I still watch friends back to back, man. And I laugh at jokes that I've been laughing after 10 years, but they still get me.

I'm obsessed with the characters. I like friends. I like Brooklyn Nine Nine. I like Modern Family. I like stuff that. most people would just consider butter, cheese and tack. Oh no, the ones you've mentioned are great. Yeah, oh God, like they just make me so happy.

Like for someone like me, and I'm sure a lot of people listening, can relate to this. Like my mind can be quite a busy place and sometimes it takes me to like dark, dark corners. And God, I'm terrible for like, you know, the soon as you close your eyes and your brain's like, let's show you all the mistakes you've made for the last 10 years. Like that's my brain's favourite. So those shows that are lighthearted and fun, and they just make me switch up. They make me laugh till I cry, and they make me really happy.

So, yeah, anything, anything along that, in that genre is probably my answer. Is that, oh, it's perfect. Well, that's a perfect answer. I have to say, modern family, I mean, I love friends. I was lucky enough to do a show with the guys, gosh, 20 years ago, and a special with those guys. And it was one of those pinch me moments. We go, I've got all three of the guys from friends here.

And they're all talking about friends. And we were all obsessed with friends. So I completely get that. But mom and family. Now, you see, I love that. That's not cheesy. It's just brilliant. It's done so well, isn't it?

Each individual character is perfectly right, well-rounded. There's no supporting cast. And every week your favourite changes and you identify and you can relate. and it makes me cry, it makes me laugh, and I could watch it endlessly. You see, that's what you should do. I think you should do more acting, and I think you should do a sitcom.

I think you should be sitcom based up at home, where you were born, and just about the wonderful craziness. I think I discussed with you when I first met you, that I was working up there for a few weeks, and I've never experienced a Friday night like it. Honestly, and you never will again make it.

Oh my God. I mean, there was every sort of fun. There was no, so there was no, you know, people talk about or everybody was getting off their faces. They were, but there was, oh, everyone was dressed up, but dressed up to the nines, because they were just, they were released from work and they were released from the tough days that they were doing.

and they were all dressed up and it was winter and the girls had nothing on and the guys had nothing I mean that there was the shorter and I was there in about 28 layers in really London and Southern just going what are you all doing it's freezing I mean

and then just the laughter and the joy and the noise and the celebration of life and I've never I don't think I've ever experienced a Friday night like that in my life I mean, obviously it's just like that was my upbringing, so it's part of the course for me. But no, I might be in Essex girl now, but I'll always be a Georgia girl at heart.

Like, I'm so proud of where I'm from. Like, the North East is a beautiful part of the country. But yeah, it's the people that make it. Oh, they're amazing. Yeah, God. And all the old, like, stereotypes and stuff, they're completely true. Like, I remember going out once, man, like, for me 16th birthday. So obviously we're started young.

And I remember, and my birthday is November, I'm Scorpio, and we were out dressed as hula girls in November, in Newcastle. Must have been in the minuses, man. And I'm bombing around with like a shell bra and a grass skirt. I just didn't feel the cold. I'm a little bit older and a bit of a southern softy now, so I do take a coat with us on a night out. But you should say the looks, I guess.

It's almost like the one to kick us out. Well, that's how they were to me. It was like, Gabby, can you? you take some clothes? No. What are you doing? You've got boob tubes and mini skirts on and and bare feet. What are you doing? I honestly was like, put some clothes on. Got their black jacket on. But the welcome you get there, just the warmest welcome and there should be shows. When I was growing up, there were shows set there and I think that's what you should do. I really do. I was thinking it the other day when I was knowing you were coming on this and I just

thought, right, you've got to do a show, not Geordie Short, not, just a show about a weekend in Newcastle. That's what you should do, a comedy drama of a weekend in Newcastle, a lost weekend in Newcastle. I would love it. Get the characters. Do you know what show? Like, I think, whenever you talk about that, I think, is it called, we're friends in the north? Do you remember that? Yes. Yes. Daniel Craig as well with a Geordie accent. What did you think of his Geordie accent? I prefer his pants in James Bond. I prefer his walking out the sea scene. I've got to be honest.

But it wasn't bad. I've said far worse. Most people tend to make it sound Jamaican. Oh, I can't do a Geordie accent. To save my life, I can do other accents. When I was at drama school, I liked you, I did drama. I could do accents. Anyone makes me do a Geordie accent.

On this, go on, give me a lesson in how to do a Geordie accent. You'll see. You can't piss yourself. I can't do it. Did he, give us a Y-I. Y-I. Y-I. Bob on?

That was perfect. Y-I. Way-I. That's it then. I'd just go around and say Y-I. Oh yeah, you'll be infiltrating the Jordy's in no time. Just take a coat off and say Y-I. That's me done.

That's me sorted. I'm going to end on that because I'm going to go around barefoot, no coat. My boobs out, but not fully, obviously. And I'll go way-eye. Perfect. See, I did it again. I went, go, way-foot. Y, no, that I've done it wrong.

Y.I. Again, do it. Y.I. Yeah. Y.I. Yes, you. You know what? You are a force for good. And just carry on being that force for good and set, putting everybody, telling everybody as it is, but also putting the happiness out there because you do put happiness out there. And I know you get trolled. And to every single one of those trolls that says anything bad to you, I'm going to stick up for you to the cows come home. I'm there with your ma'am because, see, I said, ma'am.

Yeah, who's slipping right in for it. Yeah, why I? Because you want to do good. So carry on doing good. And thank you for being on this, my sweet. Honestly, it's my pleasure, Gabby. You're one of the good ones out there. I love seeing any in the comments. You always make a smile. So I wish you the best of the look with it. And thank you very much for having us. Bless you. Thank you. Thank you so much for listening. And coming up on the next episode is the fabulously talented actor, singer and writer, Alan Cumming. That Gabby Roslyn podcast is proudly produced by Cameo Productions, music by Beth McCari. Could you please tap the follow or subscribe button?

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