That Triathlon Life Podcast - Disc wheel covers for triathlon racing, portable electric pumps, and more!

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

This week we kick things off with a little triathlon chit chat, roll into a round of This or That, and then dive into your listener-submitted questions. Topics this week include:How professional triathletes measure progressDisc wheel covers and other budget-friendly aero upgradesPortable electric pumps vs. CO₂ cartridgesPeeing during races (yep, we went there)Paula’s favorite sports brasTreadmill face-off: Wahoo vs. WoodwayHow Eric and Paula stay healthy through high training loadsWill multi-sport "video" pros ever be a thing?Studio BraCore BraA big thank you to our podcast supporters who keep the podcast alive! To submit a question for the podcast and to become a podcast supporter, head over to ThatTriathlonLife.com/podcast

Hey everyone. Welcome to the GTL podcast. I'm Eric Loggersstrom. I'm Paula Finley. I'm Nick Goldstone. This is our triathlon podcast. Paul and I started that triathlon life back in 2019. It's been six years now. Start his YouTube channel, became a lifestyle brand. Somewhere along the way, we met Sweet Nick, master of the podcast, and he brought us into the radio space here. So we go over all sorts of things that are going on in our life, a bit of the triathlon world. We take questions from the listener. that keep the content flowing. So thanks for joining us. Are you guys racing Iron Man, Texas this weekend?

I think this morning I finally decided I won't be. Okay, good. Which I realize it's not cool. You know, to take your name off the Starlist so late. Right, right. You know, better late than never. Right. Eric's joking, of course. But a lot of people are doing it this week.

It's kind of the talk of the town. And I'm excited to see it. It feels like the Iron Man kickoff in North America. Yeah, a little bit, yeah. That's a good point. I kind of like when there's an Iron Man going on, especially when it's a pro series and it's broadcasted, because it gives you something to do throughout the day, check in,

watch it for 20 minutes, check the tracker. It's kind of fun, but it's so long, makes you realize it's so long. Yeah, watching an Iron Man is an interesting experience. Because you can probably accomplish 17 things around the house, a couple of workouts before it finishes. Yeah, but it'll be fun. Both men and women have good fields and just another race. Do we want to do picks?

Should we do some picks? Oh, some little picks. Yes, I think we should do some picks. Craignees does race picks, but I guess we could do that too. They're more informed than we are, but... Yeah, we just pick our favorite people. Yeah, well, I'm going to try to predict the real thing here. We talked about this a little bit off air on TTL after dark. My top three for the women were Cat Matthews first, then Taylor Nib,

and then I'm going to say Tamara third. Tamara third, wow. I think Daniel Lewis is probably the more convenient pick, but I'm going to say Tamara. I think I would like to see that. That would be on my like list for sure. Yeah.

Anything's possible when it comes down to the run. What do you guys think? Let's all do women first. What do you guys think? Okay. My picks are Chelsea first, cat second, Lisa Perter. or third. Oh yeah, Lisa.

Lisa could do well. No, nibble it, not even on the podium. No, I think if you're right. No, it's fine. And that was a pick from my heart. I love it. I mean, I love Chelsea too, of course. I feel like there's probably a good chance that

Cat wins. I feel like Cat would probably be my safe number one pick. Yeah, for sure. Then for me, it's kind of like a toss-up on whether or not Chelsea has a great run and catches Taylor Nip. Like maybe, you know, I just, that would be, I'm hoping that's the showdown or like this late breaking drama

that we get to experience. So I can't, I'm having a hard time picking second and third. Yeah. Okay, what about the men's? I was saying that mine would be Christian first. I'd say, I gustav second. I realize this is, I'm also picking favorites here. And then who did I say for third?

Rudy? He said Trevor Foley. Trevor Foley. I said Trevor Foley. Yeah. I'm going to do the same as you, but I'm going to put Rudy instead of Trevor. Right. Man, I feel like it could be Christian Trevor, Rudy. Rudy Gustav, third. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking at the start list here.

And the notable names are Patrick Lange, who I think is actually not racing it anymore. Yeah, he was true. And then we haven't mentioned Leon Chivalier, Matthew Marquat. Paula told me an interesting thing that she got an email today saying, that St. George is going to have a massive gap in time between the men start and the women starts. How massive? Like 10 minutes, right? Whoa. Yeah, I got an email from Iron Man saying that from now on every race will have at least five minutes between the pro men and the pro women and the age groupers. And then it also said that in venues with permitting flexibility,

such as St. George and Eagleman, the gaps between men pro and women pro fields have been increased up to 10 minutes. That's awesome. And if you get, if you're male prone, you get caught by a female pro under these new circumstances, you are immediately asked to hand over your pro card. No, that's not true. That is not true. There's no way.

10 minutes is almost too much because they already finish so far ahead of us, but by the time we finish, they're like getting brunch. Yeah, but I kind of like that. It's a little weird when they get mixed up, I think. It's a little weird, so I like it. But how often Paula, in a normal race, how many of the fastest age group men are finishing around you? Oh, that's interesting.

I'm not sure. Like five? Okay, yeah. I do remember in Oceanside, a couple of them passed me. And you can tell because their bibs are just higher than the pro-bibs. Yeah. But now that it's 10 minutes, also between age groupers, it'll be. Oh, it's 10 minutes between pro-women and age group start?

I think. Okay, yeah, so that's going to be... Five minutes between women pro fields and the rolling age group start. Five minutes between men and pro women is the standard. But then in St. George and Eagleman, courses that aren't constricted with time, they'll increase it more. Yeah, that's cool. It's great.

I like, especially seeing you guys finish, it's a little funny sometimes to see really fast age group males finishing around you. And it's kind of cool, I think, to just have the women finishing by themselves. Yeah, maybe. They're all super respectful that I've ever experienced. if they're around, you know. Well, other than that, how are you guys?

I feel like we all kind of took the day easy today. But how are you feeling? I'm smashed, man. I got sick with, I don't, I have no idea what, like five days ago. And it started off kind of chill. And so I just kind of kept doing a workout each day, just low-key. And then like three days in, all of a sudden I was just coughing and sneezing and couldn't sleep. And I don't know what's up.

So it's like a really unfortunate sickness where I feel tired, but I also feel like, oh, I think I could go for a bike ride and then 10 minutes into the bike ride. Like, this is a mistake. I can't believe I just put all my clothes on. I feel so terrible. So that's where I'm at. But life is good. It's awesome. I managed to edit and put out that first video of Paula on the Ironman YouTube channel about training in, Arizona, and I just finished up the Oceanside one, which I think is insanely fun, super fun video. And I think that's going up like tomorrow. So it would have come out on Tuesday for people listening. Yeah, I feel like the two of you,

like the toll that making the film took on you is more than you might expect from something that's non-physical, just mental stress and a little bit less sleep and thinking about it so much. and it's a little taste of maybe what amateur athletes experience on the daily working all day, trying to train, balancing all these things. I think that that can lead to sickness just as much as overtraining. Yeah.

I would say like the caring about it so much and wanting it to be perfect and like having so many, like all the creative aspects of, oh, well, how should we post this or how should we edit this and how should this and, you know, how should it look. That's, I feel like, a very strenuous thing, at least for me. And there's always like an emotional crash after I've gone really hard on that sort of stuff. Yeah. I'm surprised I didn't get sick too. I was so certain I was going to get sick just because of how little I was sleeping. Well, thankfully, I didn't get the sickness that Eric got. Yeah, that's amazing too. Yeah. I've been training for, this is maybe like week five now, I'm a new coach.

It's a lot of bike riding. It's so much bike riding. It's like a long bike ride with intervals, and then the next day is another long bike ride. And then the next day is another long ride. It's just a lot of volume of riding. So last week I think I rode 15 hours, which is a lot for me. But like two days, no riding.

So the other days are heavy. And then ran 70K, which I think is more reasonable than what I was doing before. and then swam 20K. So you're decreasing, you're slightly decreasing your run volume in this new. Yeah, because I was getting up to 90K before, but then riding like 11 hours. So just increasing the biking.

But also just the intensity of the rides, like the intervals are harder and longer, but the intervals, like the rides are longer in general. So it'll be like a threshold ride, but then it'll be within a three and a half hour bike ride. whereas before I'd go and do a threshold ride, but it would be a two-hour ride. So just like continuing to ride more before, after, in between, whatever. Do you find that the mental toll is much greater with more riding?

Or does it, or is it kind of even out for you? No, because I'm just like bought in. Yeah, I love it. That's awesome. You're like, yeah, let's do it. And I know that she's looking at my training and, you know, paying so much attention to it and looking at my heart rate and looking at, it just makes me want to do a good job of it. Do you want me to bleep out the gender?

Because I think as of yet you have not hinted at the gender of your coach. No, you don't have to bleep it out. Okay. I actually asked her yesterday if she cares if I share who she is. She said no, but I'm still not going to tell right now. Okay, good. I mean, she works for a pro-cycling team, so I wasn't sure if she was allowed to be coaching me. Right.

That was my main concern at first, right? Right, right. But she's like, I can do whatever I want after hours. That's funny. I feel like there's people who think they know who you're coaches who just crossed out a bunch of options by what you just said. Yeah, it's not a triathlon coach. No one would ever guess. I agree.

No one would ever guess. I agree. But it's very fun. It is. I'm glad. I'm cool. I'm very excited. As a triathlon fan, I'm very excited to see what kind of cool new fitness and racing.

It might not even change anything. thing. I mean, I hope it does. I think it will. But the day-to-day motivation and fun is more. Yeah, that's great. Who cares what, well, I care what the results are, but, you know, that's a win already. Well, this just reminds me of what Eric had always said about what it was like for you guys to train during COVID when there was less pressure and more fun. And then you ended up racing really well off of that. So hopefully this is a little version of that. Yeah, maybe. I mean, it's not. all fun. It's still very hard, but it is like new. Yeah. So it's like, I'm curious about it. Anyway, that's how my week went. Wonderful. Wonderful. Well, if you guys are down, let's do some food-based

this or that. I'm down. Okay, so this first one is actually submitted from a listener, from Aaron. But then I added a few others of my own. So the first one is, and Paul actually liked this one so much, she texted it in the group chat, in addition to putting it in the questions Bank. Would you rather be full of Italian food and have to eat an entire plate of Mexican food, or would you rather be full of Mexican food and have to eat an entire plate of Italian food? Mexican food second. Yeah, I'd rather be full of, you'd rather be full of pizza and then have to eat a burrito? I think I like pretty much always a burrito sounds good.

That's how I feel too, yeah. Okay, me too. Yeah. Okay, next one here. Do you think you could eat more ice cream calories or donut calories? Ice cream. Probably ice cream, just volume. Yeah.

I think there's no one who could eat more donut calories. There's just the density of the calories in ice cream. I might want to eat more donut calories. No. Ice cream is so easy to keep eating forever. Like if you get an extra large McFlurry, you're eating it till the end. Happily.

And you might feel sick after, but if you order 12 donuts, You order 12 donuts, you're not eating the whole box. Well, first of all, watch me, but I do agree with you. I'm just saying because, like, flavor fatigue. If I could just, if you could, I could try a whole bunch of different donuts versus one whole gallon of ice cream. Nick didn't say any rules about it not being different flavors of ice cream. That's true. You could do different flavors.

But I mean, I could, like Paul said, I could do a McFlurry, no problem. McFlurie is not even high quality ice cream, and I could easily do a very large Flurry. Oh yeah, I kind of want that now. Right, right. Okay, next. If you had to drink a gallon of fluid, what fluid would you choose? Would you just do straight water? Would you do a lemonade mix, Paula? I know you love the lemonade mix. What's a gallon? Like the large almond milks we have in the fridge. Oh, okay. Yeah, I would do, my signature cocktail is half fizzy water, half lemonade. So good.

Lemonade sprits. And what about you, Eric? Or would you choose? He's like an old fashion. Yeah, I would probably actually pick an apparel spreads. I think that might get real tiring on the power. Those are so easy to drink. Ask anyone.

You've never had an apparel spreads? I maybe have when I was really much younger. So I'd have to have another one. They're so good. It's my number one favorite drink, for sure. Of course, you know, it's Italian, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know. The only thing that I have... felt like that strongly about is ice cold water on a hot day where I just like I cannot possibly drink enough of this and my stomach is in pain. Yeah. And it's still so delicious. But second would maybe be like, yeah, the lemonade 50-50 mix if I just was starting from zero and was not dying of thirst to begin with. Yeah. And then the last one I have here, I guess we kind of already answered this, but if you had to eat 5,000 calories of a single food item, what would you choose.

Gatner butter puffins. That would take you fucking forever. That's just what Paula got me today that I'm really excited to have for breakfast tomorrow morning. Usually the cereals are pretty basic

and don't change that much but every once in a while Paula takes a flyer and gets me a real fun cereal. Yeah, I went to Trader Joe's today. When I go to Trader Joe's I literally pretend like money does not have value.

You're just like, yep, put it in the car. Anything I want. There is no. No filter. Anything I think we might want. Maybe it goes in the cart. My cart is like overflowing. I'm so embarrassed when I go to the checkout.

I'm like, wow, this is way too much. I'm biking 15 hours a week. It reminds me of the guy who we met at the pool here who was saying that when it comes to your health, he doesn't look at the price tag. Yeah, that's different. I'm putting like animal crackers. Canadian swimmers. Eric needs it.

Eric needs it. I've always felt like that about food. I'll still go, if there are like two different cheese options and ones on sale, you know, I'll go with the on sale one in the event that I shop these days,

which is very rare. But it's like, you're not going to not buy spinach because it's expensive. Yeah, exactly. You're not going to not buy yogurt because it's expensive. It's just,

this is what you need to fuel properly and be healthy. Yeah, I love that. That's good mantra. Yeah, 5,000 calories. I might just do it with Mexican food. Yeah. But a single item, though, not a single type of food.

Barrito. Like a burrito. Like a 5,000 calorie burrito. It's probably not that different than an actual burrito that I would eat normally. I mean, that's a hefty boy. It'd have to be like California burrito with the French fries or, you know, the tater tots, the whole, like, everything. Yeah.

Full send. Yeah. Nice. All right. Well, thank you for that humoring me on that this or that food related. Let's move on to questions here. You can submit your questions to the podcast at Thattriathlonlife.com slash podcast. Of which we had a lot. We had a lot. And these are very good questions. And I put in, we have 10 total. So we're going to have to be a little efficient with our time this week. Yes, we are. But there's really good questions this week. And I actually had to kind of prioritize certain things.

So before we get into that, though, you can submit your questions, like I said, at That TriathlonLife.com slash podcast, where you can also become a podcast supporter. And we are thinking we want to add even more value to the podcast supporters. And mainly it is a way to support the podcast. But we do try to do some fun extras for podcast supporters. So we have some ideas. But if you had some ideas of something that you would find valuable as a podcast supporter that we could do, let me know. don't bother Eric or Paula with it, but you can message me on any several places

and let me know what you think would be cool as a podcast supporter perk. And we'll try to make it happen. Don't you dare bother me and Eric. I mean, I'm going to eventually bother you with the ideas. Actually, you know what? Let's trade. You handle people's shipping issues and returns

and everybody messaged me about your fun podcast idea. I'm into this. I love that because I'm not going to get either one of those, so then you'll get both. But yeah, so we're brainstorming some ideas to bring more value. So if you have the time, we'd love to hear your thoughts on that. One of the small things that we do is pick a random podcast supporter and send them a cool piece of TTL gear. This week, our loyal podcast supporter was Darwin Chang. Thank you so much, Darwin, for being a podcast supporter.

We appreciate you. Thank you for listening. Thank you for being a supporter. Okay, Darwin. Because it's my job to go into the, everybody who sports the podcast and look at your name, I looked and I saw that you have been with us, TTR, for quite some time, and are an incredible supporter, not just of the podcast, but of the brand in general. And as a result of us switching warehouses from Salt Lake City to here and bend, we have a few leftover TTR things that I'm just,

not putting up on the website for sale. So, you have, when you message Nick to confirm your address, you have your choice of things. We have a... Wow. Yeah. That is awesome. What was the thing that we were normally going to do? Swim caps.

Swim caps. So you can have a swim cap. You can have, I have a, man, this is a classic. If you have a lady in your life, we've got a women's boxy tea, extra small. Fantastic. We have a men's established tea. which is the cool orange shirt that we did. A couple months ago,

it's got TTL and orange on the front, big TTL circle and orange on the back. I've got that in the medium. That might have your name on it. And then I've got, this is the cool mustard colored T-shirt that we did that's like got a big black box in it in the center and then the TTR circles in white in the middle.

I've got that in a small. So those are your three options or swim cap. There you go. Thanks for being such a huge part of what we built here. And if your name's not Darwin and you want to buy one of those things, you can... Message Paula. Message Flynn. Or no garage sale.

Freaking find Darwin and sliding his DMs and see if he can work out a deal. Yeah. Because he gets any of those things that he wants. It's a barter system. Okay. Let's do the first question here, which is from Diane. Hey, Tripod. As a longtime age rooper, I'm wondering how you approach measuring your training and success.

I'm constantly chasing better time. and better watts. With each workout judged on whether I can hit my 130 in the pool or my average watts on intervals in the bike. As a professional, do you measure yourself that way? Constantly trying to pump out faster and stronger intervals? If so, how do you feel when you can't hit the level you previously had? How can you keep that up year after year? Or should I not be judging myself that way, Diane? Well, those are two different questions, but let's start with her first thing, which is, is this something that you have in your

head when you're training like well I did X amount of watts this time and this time I'm doing why yeah it's impossible to not think about that and kind of have benchmarks like that but I think the more important thing for me because I'm never going to swim as fast as I swam when I was in college or I'm never going to run as fast as I used to run when I was in university but maybe I think now I may answer to the guess is possible definitely not with the swimming that's definitely oh yeah but maybe they're on anyway yeah is the consistency of things. So I think if you can,

maybe you're not getting like personal bests every single week, that's probably impossible. But if you can get close and you're doing consistent amount of work every week, that's how you're going to see improvements in race well. Because it's different if you're like, oh, I really want to do this bike work out well. So you're like resting for it versus you have some load leading into it, but you can still get pretty close to your best FTP or whatever it is.

Or you just come out of the session and feel like you gave your best effort. Maybe it was 15 watts, 20 watts lower, but you still got through it and didn't quit because your watts were low, that kind of thing. Those are all things that I consider a success of a workout. Finishing when you didn't feel good. Maybe you feel good, but your watts weren't as high, but doing it anyway and trying to get the most out of yourself. Little things like that. Because you really can't measure yourself every single day compared to your best time ever or your best watts ever. Unsustainable.

At the end of my run yesterday, I said out loud to myself, good job, dude, you did it. Because it was a hard and long run. You know, even though it wasn't, I didn't break any records. But it reminded me what you just said. Yeah, sometimes just getting through the activity that's hard is the success. Yeah. You know, your brain's telling you stop, stop, stop, stop. And you've got to fight it.

sometimes. Eric, do you feel like you doing these longer distances has renewed that kind of firing you? Like, oh, these are, I've never run this far before. This is kind of a new frontier. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think that we all search for that a little bit.

Here's the thing that I don't know exactly how to do it or if I can do it, but now I get to dive in and try to figure out how. and figure out the process, and every step that you take in that positive, in that new direction is exciting. Like, what I was thinking about, probably asking that was that,

I think it's really important to not take this awesome, epic, new best session that you've had, where you hit a new all-time power number and turn that into your new normal. You need to say, that was a fantastic workout. Similarly, if you have a bad workout the next day, that's not your new normal, right?

But we all tend to do this thing where we're like, oh, I'm just a 340 watt FTP guide now because I had one bike workout that indicated that versus I strung together six months that and this has slowly become my new normal. Like try to somehow say, wow, I did a really great job on that, but that's not like the new standard that I'm holding myself to starting tomorrow.

This is advice you guys gave me a couple years ago that has always stuck with me to not take one race, one good race, and then think that that's the normal and then anything other than that is a failure. Yeah. It's hard to do. I mean, like, I've struggled with it. I'm sure I think everybody has that,

but maybe us saying it out loud helps. Yeah, yeah, that's great. Thanks for the question, Diane. next question here is from Cody Hello tripod and greetings from Portland, Oregon, specifically St. John's. Do you guys know where that is? I have no idea. Heck, yeah, I would live. I have always thought I would live in St. John's as far as like zones of Portland.

I'm hoping to get your opinion on budget-friendly arrow enhancements for the bike. I have an arrow-focused road bike right now with clip on arrow bars and do primarily 70.3s and full Iron Man races. I'm saving for a tri-bike, but I'm a few years away from being able to buy one. In the meantime, I've been looking at picking up a disc wheel cover, specifically the easy gains disc cover, but understand if you don't want to read the brand name on the pod, we don't mind reading it on the pod, as they are a lot cheaper than even a used traditional disc wheel. Is it worth it, or should I just keep saving for a full tri-bike and skip these kind of add-ons? Are there other recommendations you'd have instead? I did get my bike fit specifically for a tri-position and have a tri-saddle and arrow helmet. I do also have a coach because I think Watts earned are sweeter than Watt. Lots bot. Oh, well said. That said, I know discs can save quite a bit of time in long races,

and I don't want to rule one out if I'm still years away from a new bike. Thanks for all your wonderful endurance sports content and for keeping me company during my workouts. Cody. Okay, so just so you guys know, I did do a little digging and comparing a full disc wheel compared to a spoke to wheel with a well-installed disc cover. It's not a lot. it's barely anything. They perform very well. Very, very, very well. How much cheaper are there?

It's about one lot. They're like $50 or something. Like $100, $150 or something. There's a bunch of people who make them. Are they heavier then? They're a little bit heavier and less, you know, they're less stiff than a disc wheel. I did my first pro season of racing on one. The whole season, huh?

They're probably more fragile too, right? An aluminum T-T bike. And how'd you do, by the way? I mean, I got severe, severe heat stroke. And then I pretty much had to call it a season. Okay, got it. But it wasn't because of the disc cover. It was not the disc cover.

I would say that you should definitely get a... I was being from Portland and racing in Texas. That's what that was. You should get a disc cover. Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, I would do that. Because, like, ultimately, if you're going to go and sell all of this one day when you decide to buy the upgraded tri-bike,

that'll hold value and someone will want to buy that. So it's kind of an investment in your speed. And then hopefully you can recoup the value a little bit when you go on to sell it. Or maybe you'd keep those wheels to put on your new tri-bike because the disc covers actually barely any different than buying a really expensive disc wheel. I'm such a fan of the idea of just getting an old cheap T-T bike and putting like mechanical shifting on it. just getting it able to roll down the road, but you can get an arrow position. I'm such a fan of that concept.

So that would totally fit into the disc cover that you can take these wheels that on your road bike, put that on your TT bike. Again, that's how I lived my first year of pro racing. I had one set of wheels. And they needed train on them on my road bike. I would swap them onto my TT bike and then I would put a disc cover on

and borrow a friend's arrow front wheel. That's awesome. And it works. So you can take the disc cover off and on by yourself. Is that the whole point? Yeah, it's got a little plastic. I mean, at least mine was. You have to do it well, though.

You have to be careful. Yeah, exactly. That's the caveat to all of this is a well-fitted disc cover. So you have to pay a little bit of attention, spend a little time. It's a thing. Otherwise, it can, like, rattle and stuff for like... Yeah. It's not rocket science, but a little bit of effort.

Yeah, but of all the things you can do on your bike to get more aerodynamic and quicker, arrow helmet, disc wheel, TT bars, the three things. And you have the helmet and the bars. So, yeah, the disc wheel might be the final piece of this puzzle for the next couple of years. Yeah, also let's just say don't put any bottles on your down tubes, on your down tube. No round bottle down tube. Yeah, see if you can get it behind the saddle bottle holder and some sort of a bottle holder that goes between your, you know, your clip on arrow bars. That makes a huge difference not having bottles on the frame.

Aerodynamically, yeah. Yeah, that's the thing about aerodynamics is like you can buy a really fancy, expensive aerobike or spend a lot of money on a helmet and then you do stuff like that, put round bottles on your down to canceling out so much of the gains that you're getting. So if you're going to go down that road of investing in a disc cover, just be smart about those little things that do actually add up and make a big difference. Where a fast try kit, for example, that's like a $200 investment makes a huge difference versus something that's flappy or baggy or not as form fitting as the Castelli PR speed suit, for example.

For example. Or the Zoot Kit. It's a nice kit too. Yeah. You know, most of the brands make their high-end stuff and they're all real fast. Yeah. Oh, Eric's not for sure. Yeah, I disagree.

I think there's a lot of like kit companies are just like, I'm going to be a kit company. If we make it $500, people will assume it's fast. I mean, yeah, I guess I do assume that. Isn't that funny? It's not necessarily true. Yeah, just wrap your head around how fast the $150 crop tank top from satisfy running must be. Approximately three times faster than any running shirt you have.

Well, yeah. But I feel like they're honest about the fashion component about their shirt, I think. Fashion's well as the dollar bill, yes. Yeah, exactly. Fashion. Okay, let's move on here. Next question. Hi, all, I noticed that you guys continue to mention old school CO2 cartridges for flat kits from time to time.

Not sure if you're aware, but there are fantastic tiny rechargeable electronic pumps now. Old school. I converted Oh, an old school. Eric's insulted. I converted a couple years ago and I no longer have to buy CO2 cartridges at every race that I fly to

and I have to then throw away before leaving for home. And they're referring to this because you cannot bring CO2s on planes, CO2 cartridges on planes. And these pumps are so tiny that they fit into most bags and storage on modern bikes and only weigh around 120 grams or so. Anyway, you guys are progressive,

so I thought I'd share and ask whether you've tried them. If not, please consider for the planet if nothing else. And I swear this is not an ad, just a value added product that I converted to years ago. No, I don't have one. I've used one, looked into them a lot, had three different ones in a cart and just have not purchased. Same. Yeah. So why not?

I want it. I want it. It's hard for me to justify, well, for me personally, $100. Well, one wasn't in stock, and then the other two, I was in the middle of it. Like, is this the best one? I should do some research before I buy this one that I just discovered on Instagram. How much are they? They're like 120 bucks or something.

Yeah, exactly. That's not bad. No, it's not bad, but there's so freaking many of them now that I'm like, man, I just don't want to buy, like, if I'm going to spend that money on, I just want to buy the crappy one. I should do a little research and then we have, you know, then a workout. We go to a workout and forget about it. And Eric, you often ride with a hand pump too. Yep. And maybe this would alleviate that need.

Speaking of old school. Yeah, exactly. How many pumps do you get out of one of these little things? pumps. I think two tires, I think you can get. Okay. So it would take away the need for the hand pump as well. Yeah. Honestly, when we ride tubeless and I just am risky and I don't take anything with me, that's really irresponsible. But usually Eric's with me. And I have all the things. I just think if you have that in a little pouch with like a tire lever and a dart or something. Then you're fine. There is something that is old school in me, though, that I've seen them used. I've used. I've used. used one and you're like on the side of the trail.

I was like, I don't know if that, is that the nest? Is that the nest? Is that? Right. Right. Well, the CO2's loud. Scareing away all the animals. I mean, the only time I would use a CO2 is if I'm in a race. Like, I don't generally use CO2s for a flat. I mean, we haven't gotten a flat on the, the, the road that necessitated a CO2 for like, oh, I'm in the middle of a workout, or it's so catastrophic that I need to pump it up really fast. I've definitely had time to just spin the tire around and like give it 10 hand pumps and it's good to go. Yeah. That's nice. Anyway, a fun thing that I bet people don't even know about. So you can consider it if you'd like. Yeah. I, you know what?

I really want one. And for this, my new setup on my new bike, which is Eric's old bike, I'm going to carry that around with me. So I just need to pick one. Yeah, she said, cycle plus. The one I've seen is called the recon. That's the one I was looking at. Like Eric said, there's just a million. I like the idea.

Yeah. Cool. All right. Well, if you have a freaking little electronic hand pump, little, if you have one of these pump companies and you want to send it to us for review, we accept. Because we're just trying to find one that's good. Yes, that's right.

Okay. Next question here is from Claire. and then it's a question about having to pee during races. How often do pros do it? Do any pros actually use porta-potties, or is everyone just peeing on themselves? I normally am fine during Olympic races, but last year I did my first 70.3 Eagleman,

and I'm gearing up for Chattanooga 70.3 in about a month. I had to pee during Eagleman on the run, and it was such a hassle and kind of gross, to get in the hot porta-potty, pull my trisuit down, pee for what felt like an eternity, and then pull the sweaty suit back on while also feeling all the places I was starting to chafe.

Oh yeah, I can imagine that's not fun. The experience made me think that there's no good way to efficiently pee besides just wetting yourself, which I'd rather not do. How do the pros manage? So do you think pros ever go into a portobody just to pee? No. Probably not. I've peed on the bike, but I have yet to have to pee on the run.

I've never had to pee during a race before. It's only been two times three. Yeah, I've never done an Iron Man though, so that's different. And I think that's why a lot of people, maybe not for peeing, but used to wear the two-piece tri-kit for Iron Man, is that they could easily go to the bathroom. Right. Versus, you're right, taking off the shoulders and stuff is such a hassle when it's sticky and wet and sweaty. Not fun.

But maybe you're just over-hydrating. I don't know. Didn't Lindsay have a rule? You should pee twice for an Iron Man and once for a 70.3? Yeah, she had a rule that you should actually be peeped. peeing in an Iron Man. But I'm sure that they're just doing it while they're running or on the bike. Yeah.

It's kind of gross. It's kind of gross. There's like a weird like musculature or something that I can't. You can't be pedaling generally. Yeah. But even when I was like going downhill, I just like there's something I couldn't quite do it. I don't know what it was. I've never tried.

That's so funny. Never even thought of it. And I had to pee so bad. I still couldn't do it. That's freaking weird. Yeah. Well, there you go, Claire. No, people just be peeing on themselves.

Yeah, that's it. Okay, next question here is from Jackson. Hey there, question for Paula. What are your favorite sports bras to wear for races? I've tried a few brands and still haven't found that magical bra that's comfortable enough for the swim, but also has enough support for running. Appreciate any advice or commissionable links.

If we had a commissionable link for this, we could all retire right now. Paula, do you even have something that you feel confident about? I mean, I feel confident that if Paula said, this is the sports bra, never let me down, it's the best one. And we made $5 on everyone that got sold. Yeah, we'd be fine. Okay, well, can you put a link to this on the TTL website then? Is it on? Yeah, it's on.

Oh, yeah, then I can. It's the studio bra from On is what I wear. We're just going to need a picture of you wearing it, so we can put it on TTR's slide. Okay, well, I also wear this most days. that. That's true. It's kind of like a thin strap,

not a bulky, it's not extremely supportive, but for me it's totally fine. And there's a bunch of fun colors to get it to match your kit. But it doesn't obviously have any padding and it doesn't have excessive straps. It's just,

to me, what is a good race bra is something that doesn't feel constricting or tight. Yeah. Because even when I'm training, If a sports bra is too tight or doesn't fit me properly, it's super uncomfortable and I'll never wear it. So I like for the elastic around the chest to be really elastic and just not feel constricting in any way. Is this something you wear during training too?

Yeah, I'll wear the studio bra on training as well pretty regularly. The other on bra that I like, there's one other one that I like, but I don't use it for racing. Do you think that would change if you had a significantly larger cup size? Nice, Eric. Like the elasticity around the chest. I'm just imagining that might have to be more. Oh, I don't know. The core bra is also another one of my favorites that I use for training more.

It has more material, though. The reason I like the studio bra for racing is because it's so little material. Like it doesn't come up very high in your neck. It doesn't have a big band. So it's just like the minimal amount of material that still is a bra, basically. Whereas the core bra, it's thicker straps, a little bit lower down on your chest. So it feels like the kind of bra I'm comfortable taking my shirt off and running in just that because it has a little bit more coverage.

Oh, I see. Yeah. For wearing under a race kit, it's almost too much material for me. But for just like a regular everyday sports bra, it's amazing. I think the easiest thing to do with this is we'll put a couple of links in the show. No, it's description. Perfect. So we can do for a quick turnaround time since I don't have time.

I don't know if we can take pictures of Paul in the sports bra between now and when this comes out. On really does have a lot of bra options though. And some of them are padded and have adjustable straps. If you do have a bigger chest or you're pregnant or you need more support. But those I would not pick for under a race kit just because they do have. With that extra support comes more material, which is potentially not as comfortable to swim with. in a triathlon.

Right. I'm imagining like a thicker shammie. Yeah, it's not like it has a ton of padding, but it definitely has a little bit of like foam to give more support. Right. Thank you. Cool. Okay, next question here is from Joshua.

Hey, TTLT, my wife and I loved the movie and immediately asked for more when the credits rolled. We're looking at more ways to escape into the woods and mountains because of it. Love hearing that, Joshua. Awesome. combining her love for camping and my love to just get on a bike and throw in some shoes and explore. Funny enough, she asked where Paula was in the movie and that she'd have major fomo while repeatedly whispering about the moss and ferns and colors in this film. By the way, Paula and Flynn are both in the film.

No or not? Yes, you are. Very, very briefly. You are in Ventura. No, we're not. Yes, you are. Flynn in the van and you for a second walking on the sidewalk. That does not count. That does not count.

Eagle Eye would see that Simon was also in the Ventura scene. Just for a few frames. Anyway, I have a refurbished woodway. I bought a couple years ago, and until I started using Zwift last year, I had zero complaints. Like Eric, I'll get into a kind of flow state and let my brain process whatever's going on in the background. However, it will only connect to Zwift for the belt speed,

no auto change and incline to account for where I'm running. If you had to do 50% or more of your running on a treadmill, would you use your Woodway or your Wahoo treadmill hooked up to Zwift? Second question, do you feel like there is a significant difference between the pace, both the Woodway and the Wahoo treadmill say you're running at versus what that pace feels like outside? I set my woodway for much slower than I run outside, but my heart rate, power, cadence, pace from my watch match pretty close to what I'm running outside. So does he have a Wahoo and a kicker?

No, I think this person is asking about my experience with the Wahoo since we have a Woodway and a Wahoo. Yes, got it. Yep. Well, I'll just say that the Woodway, which is my dream treadmill, by the way, that I've wanted forever. And we love it dearly still. We haven't used it since we got the kicker run. That's the honest truth. Yeah.

Wow. No, that's true. And it does feel harder. I think then outdoors, I couldn't put an exact number on it, but maybe like eight to ten seconds. The woodway does. The woodway. Yeah. That's why I never picked the woodway is because I always felt like it feels so much harder than running the same pace outside or the same pace on the kicker run.

Yeah. And the kicker run doesn't have like that super bouncy thing that a lot of, you know, quote unquote, gym quality treadmills have. But neither does the woodway. No, the woodway. No, not zero. I think I feel very strongly that the Wahoo is a nice middle ground and a very realistic feeling run kind of between like the traditional treadmill

that bounces a lot and the woodway that just feels totally dead. And I think it's a pretty real feel, for lack of a better word. The woodway feels dead as in it doesn't really give you any return from your stride. It has a soft belt because it has that kind of gummy slated belt, which is amazing. But in terms of like a bounce return that you get from a treadmill sometimes, you don't really get any of that, which is maybe why it feels

harder and slower than running outside. Yeah. But we really like how seamlessly the kicker run connects to Zwift. The Wahoo was a little, or not the Wajoo. The Woodway was a bit hit or miss sometimes with the Bluetooth getting it connected. Yeah. Sometimes I have to like turn it on,

turn it off, turns Wift on, turn it off. Yeah, we always got it to work. But I've never had the kicker run. not connect immediately. Yeah. And then the features of having it be able to, like, run with the terrain of Zwift is really cool and kind of interactive as well. You know a whole bunch of extra stats to, like, ground contact time and cadence and all this, like, really cool stuff inside of the kicker app. Anyway, we're not trying to sell you on it, but it, we haven't used the woodway.

It's, we really like it. Yeah, I think that's the interesting thing here is that, like, yeah, of course, we're paid to say that we love Wahoo stuff and we use it all the time. but we have a woodway in our garage sitting right beside the kicker run and we can go out and choose between the two. So I think it's a really honest, what do you say? How do you call it? Endorsement? Yeah. Endorsement when we can choose between two of like the best treadmills in the world and we choose the kicker run.

And at a price take that's actually less than a woodway. Right. That's the kind of, that's the kicker there. The thing we don't know about the kicker run yet is the longevity and how. much maintenance or belt replacement and things it'll need. Woodways last forever and they just are like tanks. So I think for gyms and universities and physioclinics, Woodways are just like the gold standard because they're so indestructible. It feels like the kicker run also is, but they just haven't been around long enough to know. Yeah. Yeah, we're kind of going off of our trust and our

experience with just kickers. We've never worn out a kicker. Yeah, true. Yeah. We haven't got We got our first new kicker last year when they came out, the move that we'd gotten in like three years. Because every year we're like, we don't need another one. It works fine. You don't need. You guys use them a lot. Yeah. I only know one person who's blown up a kicker and is Jordan Bryden.

And he warms up at like 340 watts. And it was a kicker snap. And they replaced it immediately for him. Right. I mean, that is the only instance that I've heard of of somebody actually. They're like, who are you? Yeah. How did you do this?

Yeah, during COVID when we were stuck in the garage in Canmore, and Jordan lived down the street. So he would come up and we'd all be Zwifting together. And this garage was like a bazillion degrees. Yeah. And yeah, we'd be like six minutes in and I'd look over, I'm warming up at like 205 and Jordan's just doing like 320. Just like breathing through his nose.

Yeah. I'm like, what are you freaking? Oh, right. Your legs are seven inches longer than me. Oh, my God. Yeah, big unit. I love it. I love it.

And he listens to this podcast. So hi, Jordan. Shout out, Jordan. Okay, next question here is from Mario. Mario Fava, he's my friend. Really? Yes. I stayed at Mario's house on my unplanned extreme layover in Santiago on the way that I go in.

Oh, yeah, he said he's from Chile. Yeah, he's from Chile. But what he raced as a, he's a triathlet. And back when I was a junior and Mario was a junior, he came to the Pan Am championships, which were in Edmonton. and he stayed at my house with my parents and I and my brother and sister. So we've kind of stayed in touch ever since then.

And then when Eric was going to Chile, he reached out to me and said, can I help it any way? And Eric was actually having all this flight nightmare delays. Needed to stay overnight in Santiago. So Mario went to the airport, picked him up, gave him a bed to sleep in, gave him a dinner, took him back to the airport.

And I haven't seen Mario since 2000. Yeah, all of that. This happened in the course of like four hours. He picked me up at the airport at like 1130 and then I had to go back to the airport like 4.30. Yeah, super nice of him. But he's been telling me since we were juniors to come visit Chile. So when Eric went, anyway.

This is my, he is working hard on talking me into doing Padigan Man. Just for this reason. He's like, you and Paula got to come down and we will take you wine tasting. And it's just like make a whole like two week vacation. And little did he know that you wanted to do it anyway. but now this is just like cherry after cherry on top. Okay, so, Mario says, I started doing triathlon more than 30 years ago when I was six

and got some really hard training and racing up to my 20s where I started to take it more recreationally. During that time, I had a lot of serious injuries including stress fractures and knee surgery, IT band related. I still get to train on a daily basis and race once in a while, triathlon, marathons, trail running,

mixing it up a little bit. The last few years, I've been getting injured easily, even though I have a PT and weights built into the training plan. I am aware that Eric has struggled before with his hip injury, but seems to be managing it more than well on his new trail running facet. My question is, how do Paula and Eric manage to keep being healthy after all these years? Do they also have PT built into their training? How do they usually cope with the injuries and don't lose fitness?

When they get injured, do they run through the injury? Thank you all for keeping this podcast going. Really enjoy listening to it. All the best, Mario. Man, this could be a whole podcast on its own, for sure. I think, where should we even start? Don't run through injuries. That is one thing.

I think stopping early, which is always hard to do, and you have to not stop early and be catastrophically injured for a long time to learn this. There's no one workout. There's no one run session or bike session that is going to be the one that makes your season, but it can definitely be the one that ends your season. And try to be patient and keep that in mind

and pull the plug if something's hurting. And usually you know if it's like, oh, this is kind of annoying versus this is throwing up an alarm bell and I just hope it goes away. You know, I think you know usually. Yeah, I think that when I have a huge history of injury as well, especially as a teenager in my 20s and around the Olympics in 2012.

and I think it's really hard for me to put my finger on one single thing that's allowed me to be healthy the last three or four years because I have had a really good string now of healthy running. Running is the most injury sport, I'd say, of the three. But I think that the advancements in nutrition and eating and shoe technology are three of the big factors that I don't really give enough credit to for, my current health and able to back-to-back hard training days. Eating more on the bike, eating better after training. I think a lot of the periods of time when I was injured, I was like under-fueled. And my body couldn't even recover from the exercise itself, let alone recover from an injury. So when I had something little and I was such an obsessive, like competitive, wanted to win everything, I didn't listen to my body when it hurt a little bit.

I would wait until I literally couldn't walk. And then my body was so undernourished that, of course, it couldn't heal a stress fracture while I'm still kind of like running on this stress fracture. So I've just like learned over the years to stop early, like Eric said. I eat more. And I do think that shoes now are so much better than they were 10 years ago when I was constantly getting injured and they're more cushioned or they're better support. race shoes are way better and have a lot more cushion and support. So I don't know, those are my three things. We do get massage once a week and I think that's super important to me.

If I miss a week of massage, I feel like things start getting tight and sore and potentially could lead to an injury. But I don't personally have a PT that I work with closely. Eric does. I feel like a PT is more like, I mean, it is good to have a relationship. relationship with the PT, but I don't think that going every single week when there's nothing really going wrong is needed, but everyone's been different. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not going to say that I've, like, I don't feel normal in terms of my hip. I think people look at me like,

oh, how are you doing so well with your hip? And I feel like I'm walking crooked all of the time. And if I laid, like, I can only lay on one side. If I lay on the other side, my hip kind of to sleep. And at least every other bike ride, like my foot goes numb a little bit. I'm like trying to shake my knee out and it just feels kind of crappy. And the times in my career since I started dealing with this hip thing where I went for like even three weeks without being constantly uncomfortable with the hip, I've had fantastic races. And I can't honestly say exactly what it was that made that happen. It was like kind of a magical set of circumstances and stuff. And stuff. So I guess I just wanted to say that because I do get a fair number of questions from people

with laboral issues. And that's very, very unique. It is funny too, because I think from the outside, it looks like we're completely healthy, 100% of the time, never have a problem. But all three of us, Nick included, do have niggles often. Like my ankle's kind of messed up and it sometimes it hurts to run on trails. And we just don't really talk about it that much. But it doesn't prevent us from racing. But there are things we do manage on a day to day. And we do our piece. exercises and use the mobile board and just put a little focus on things that seem silly while you're doing them but actually make a big difference for your overall health and ability to do training back to back.

Yeah, it's not very, you know, like sexy to post on Instagram. Like my foot still hurts. You know, did another run today. Foot still hurts. Yeah. For the last five years. You know, I'm not complaining. Just status update, you know, just to like let everybody know that.

We don't just like jump out of the car and go bounding off down the trail. Like we're 20 and it feels fantastic every time. Like we, our first few steps of every run every day are like, oh, ow, okay, this is going to get better. Just like let it loosen up. That's why I really like running off the bike lately because I do feel like my body's completely warmed up to the point where it's not painful. Like, yeah, it's physically hard because you're tired and have fatigue, but you're not starting from this body that's been like stagnant for.

hours or just finished eating or whatever. So I really like, even if it's not off the bike, like within minutes, even if it's within 20 minutes, I am really into that currently. Assuming you feel enough on the bike, you can do this. But I could get off the bike and do a two minute warm up and then start my intervals and it feels totally better than if I waited three hours. So anyway, that's a fun trick too. Yeah, love that. Cool. Okay, so we're going to skip had a couple questions here to our last question, but I really wanted to get to this one because I think it's a cool concept

and something that we might all have differing opinions on. This is from Justin. Justin from Ventura coming at you with another surf-related question. We've had a couple on the podcast lately. This time inspired by the work of the art that is Look for Things Where You Can Find Them. Thank you, Justin.

Appreciate the plug. In surfing, there is such thing as a successful video pro. They rarely compete, but are more popular than a majority of the surfers on the world tour. Do you ever envision the same thing catching on for multi-sport? Will there be endurance athletes still in their prime that choose to more artistically represent their sport

instead of competing in mainstream races? Justin. Justin, I've envisioned it so hard, so often. This was, I would say this is my vision. And a thing that, look for things where you can find them, was the ultimate experiment where I have felt that exact same way. I look at surfing,

I look at mountain biking, look at skiing and snowboarding and go, like, there are people who near the end of their career become art-based athletes, to become project-based athletes, Travis Rice, Brandon Semenuk.

You know if you're a surfer. John John is, like, doing really cool stuff right now with content. I don't know if there's going to be ever a huge, space of this happening, but I feel like that there has got to be room for people. If the mission is right and the feeling is right and the personality is right, why not? Like, people have enjoyed watching, look for things where you can find them and have felt a connection there. And I think that's all that it takes to be a project-based or an art-based athlete in anything. And if there's

an audience, you're going. Are there going to be 20 multi-sport athletes doing this? I think no, but I think there's got to be a room in every sport for an athlete or a couple of athletes who serve as like someone who inspires a gateway person who gets people interested in the activity outside of competition. I think it's more popular in surfing because it's a way more aesthetic sport that's easier to capture. and snowboarding and skateboarding and mountain biking too. And it's extremely impressive too because not just anyone can go and surf.

It's a really unique skill. Whereas triathlon part of the beauty of it is anyone can do it. But for that reason, capturing content that looks amazing is really difficult. And you guys had to go to the corners of middle of nowhere to find these amazing scenes that do inspire people, but it's not as easy as it is for action sports. Yeah.

I also think that if like a ski film, sorry, what I'm trying to say is that multi-sport films of this nature, I think, need a lot more context to work on their own. Whereas a great ski film or snowboard film can just be these snowboard parts of these athletes doing these really cool things and you can be engaged the whole time. I think Eric and I tried to make look for things where you can find them have a through line and have an emotional, arc to it, partially because we're trying to pick up the slack of somewhat of a lack of that. I mean, we tried to add as much action as possible in all the scenes, but there's something about someone doing a double backflip over a canyon that is going to be more viscerally, visually exciting than someone running through the mountains. Totally.

Right. And it's just, it's so core to the culture of surfing and skiing versus triathlon is completely, just through and through a performance-based, results-based, numbers-based activity. It's like we included that through line

to try to bridge that gap a little bit like Nick said, but 99% of people who ski or surf have no ambition of competing. So that's not like a hurdle that you have to overcome

of like, hey, what if it wasn't about competition? It's like, it's not. It is about going to Bali and seeing beautiful places and experiencing culture and just getting a little bit better at this thing that only you can decide if you're better at it

from yesterday to today. There's no number on what's your surf score from yesterday to today. You just have to feel good about it and feel like you did a good job. God, I love this topic. It's so cool. I don't know. If there's a way, Justin, we're going to find it.

But yeah, I don't think this is going to be like some huge movement, but it's certainly the type of thing. that I want to show off. And I don't even necessarily think about it in the scope of triathlon specifically. It's just outdoors. And what I love about ski films and surf films is you get to see an incredible beautiful scenery.

I love the ones that show off the villages and the people when they go to those places and you really get to feel like you were transported to Bali or Indo or wherever. Yeah. So cool. Great. What a podcast.

We had a lot of questions. We did not get to all of them. But I think I'm going to save some of these for next week because they're so good. there's a great swimming one. What's the swimming one? About if you ever do your all-out. Yeah, let's just do that one real quick.

Okay, okay, fair. Bonus question. This is bonus. This is bonus. Ooh, do we want to do this just for podcast supporters? That's what I was going to say. Okay. Let's do that.

We're going to do this just for podcast supporters. You will get this in the mail if you're a podcast supporter. We want to put our clothes on because it's probably going to be a video. Eric, for once, clothes are already on. Can't believe. I'm just freaking living in this TTO long since I'm so obsessed with it. That's great. Okay, well, by the way, so if you are not a podcast supporter, thank you for listening to the podcast.

We will see you next week. If you are a podcast supporter, stick around. This is what you'll get. Bye, guys.