That Triathlon Life Podcast - High end triathlon bikes, tubeless pressure loss, carbon frames, treadmill accuracy, and more!

Episode Date: November 25, 2022

We recorded this on thanksgiving day, and we are all very thankful for all of you listening to the podcast! This week we spend a huge chunk of time answering bike questions on "Bike Tech with Eric". Lot's of good ones this week. After that we move straight onto more general questions about triathlon. To submit your questions, head over to http://www.thattriathlonlife.com

Hey everyone, welcome to that triathlon life podcast. I'm Eric Loggerstrom. I'm Paula Finley. I'm Nick Goldston. And, well, we're kind of an interesting situation right now. We got brand new podcasting equipment last week, but we're not actually using it because we're all three sitting in Nick's home studio in Santa Monica, L.A., and we'll huddle a little around this thing because we're hanging out with Nick for Thanksgiving ahead of Indian Wells 70.3 next weekend. Paul and I are both professional triathletes. Nick is a professional musician, amateur trowels. athlete, pretty good one, and a really great friend of ours. So what we do on this podcast is we talk about triathlon. We take a lot of questions. That's how we kind of keep the whole thing going. And yeah, we are racing next weekend. Yeah, we came down early to escape the cold of Bend. And it's been really nice training in the sun, running in sports bras, biking and. God, I love running in sports bras. Biking and short, t-shirt, jersey thingies. And we just happened to be

crashing Nick Goldston's family Thanksgiving. His parents are in time. They're so lovely, and they're making Thanksgiving lunch, I guess. Like, people in the U.S. eat Thanksgiving at 1 p.m. What is that? I don't know. Like, at least for my family, like, the whole family, extended family comes over and you have this, like, super early lunch. And then you just, like, hang out and you play cards and, like, kind of maybe snack on leftovers. And you eat pie, like, two hours later.

And then it's just like this, you eat all day long. And the lunch thing just, like, makes it so you don't fill up on actual lunch. Right. You have plenty of room for, like, the main event. Eric, I think you nailed it. It's a combination of two things. It's like you call it lunch so that you don't accidentally eat before it, right? And then also you also do it really early.

Sorry, you call it dinner. And then you also do it really early so that you can eat for like six hours constantly. Yep. Yeah, one till midnight we'll be eating. How to trick yourself into thinking this is okay. Yeah. So, Paula, you said that you liked sports bra running weather, except you've been complaining about the freezing cold pool here.

Yeah, the Santa Monica. Like a pool is so cold. It's an ice bath. It is so cold. Lionel couldn't handle it. I don't know. I have pretty high threshold for the cold, but when you get in water that's cold and your body can't warm up, it's really hard to swim hard and do intervals. And all you can think about is getting out.

So it's more of a mental issue, I think, is the uncomfortableness of it. But I'm surprised because it's so sunny and beautiful here. But the pool is packed of people voluntarily swimming in this ice school pool. Yeah. Yeah. Well, when the sun's out, I think, for me anyway, that pretty much canceled. out the coldness. Like when we're in Ben, the pool is much warmer, but we're so cold upon arrival from, like, walking through the cold air that the pool needs to be warm. Otherwise,

there's going to be problems. It's the opposite here. Right. I think. Well, I think it's a good, I know it's not the same because you'll be swimming with a wetsuit, but it's a good practice for Indian wells and that cold water in the morning. That's cold water. For sure. That's true. I remember the ice cream headache that I would get every time at the beginning of that race. Because it used to be before it was Indian, fun fact for people who do that race. Before Ironman did the race there, there was another company at that, the time called Hits Endurance that did a race there exactly the same weekend. They did a sprint, Olympic, half and full distance race there over the weekend. What was it called?

It was called Hits, Indian Wells. It was like the crown jewel of their national races. It was like their championship race. And then Iron Man came in and like swooped it away from them. So they, the first year, they had it the weekend before. And then every year after that, they'd done it like a month earlier. But that was my first, it was one of my first races was that race. Wow. Yeah. Cool. Anyway, we're going to, this week, we're going to, focus kind of heavily on bike tech with Eric. Last week we said we would do it and we had a lot of people send in questions

regarding it. Most of the questions actually were bike tech with Eric questions. Also if you hear a panting horse, it's actually just Flynn in here with us in the studio. Yeah, we're trying to save Nick's parents from having to deal with Flynn while we podcast. Stop it. Loud, licking, scratching, breathing.

Lie down. It's not us like making out with each other. Let's do this. Bike Tech with Eric. First question here is from Stephen. Stephen gives us a little background, but then goes on to say the question, which is, what should I consider into 6 to 9,000 price point? And is there any tech I should prioritize in terms of bicycles?

Great bikes in this class seem to include the specialized tarmac, the Canyon Ultimate CFSL-8 Arrow, the giant TCR, and Cervillo Soloist. Thank you for your great content, Stephen. So what do you think, Eric? First of all, like, should it be prioritizing the bike frame or the spec of the bike, the build, like, what matters here? Personally, for me, like the personality, for lack of a better word, of the bike frame is going to kind of be the biggest thing.

You can get, you know, electronic shifting of your choice here, whether you're going to get like Otegr, D.I.2 or Seram E tap. And I think you really just want to ride these, if at all possible. And, like, for me looking at this list, I think, like, the soloist and the tarmac, my guesses, are probably going to have the best personnel. I wrote a soloist back in the day but I think that's the biggest thing my personal opinion on giants are that they are like often the best combination of like lightweight aerodynamic stiffness

but they just kind of feel they don't have the sense of joy when you ride them so that would be the biggest thing for me because you're going to be able to get equal specs they're all going to be so similarly light like the difference of you know a picky bar in between one bike or the other so like ideally ride them and see how they feel I don't think that riding them is necessarily an option. Like a lot of these people are doing order online, direct-to-consumer.

You're picking the bike that you think looks the best on the internet. You can't just go to a dealership that has all these bikes and drive them. Maybe you can, but I think that's going to be challenging for, like, bikes of this caliber. Okay, so just pick your favorite color. I feel like so many people know someone that has a tarmac or that has some type of canyon. Yeah. But so maybe the better question that would be, what about if you're starting, spending that money, does it make more sense to spend the money for like the top of the top

dures or the red ETAP versus carbon wheels versus carbon saddle or like integrated cockpit? Like are there things that stick out to you as like this I wouldn't spend as much money on, but this seems like a good bang for your buck in terms of something at that price point. Yeah, I mean the biggest thing you're going to notice probably is the quality of the shifting and getting the best shifting that you can. So I just, I think in this price range, like they're all. going to be pretty comparable shifting. And maybe that's the one thing you should try.

If you can, go try to ride a bike with Dura Ace and a bike with SRAM. Yeah. And see, I mean, if you can find a bike with Campanolo on it, great. And see which of those you like better. Totally. I agree. And then it really also comes down to like your loyalty to a certain brand or if your favorite athlete like us ride specialized, get a specialized.

Soundbite, send to specialize. But yeah, it seems like all these bikes, anything. thing here is going to come with same spec shifting, like carbon wheels, carbon, like, it's going to be pretty similar, pretty similar, right? The top of the line bikes now are all fairly similar. Yeah, yeah. Especially if you're not trying to be like tip-tip, tip-y-tippy-tip performance, maybe you guys don't agree with this, but get the bike that makes you want to ride the most, you're most excited about. And if one has a cooler color way, that excites you, that's going to get you out the door so much more valuable than getting the bike that is 0.01% faster over the line. Totally agree.

Yeah. Get the colorway that excites you. Next question is from Michael. Hey guys, I may not be a day oneer, but I have been listening since before the punctuation that shall not be named was a thing. You've helped my partner and I so much through this journey in Iron Man with tips, tricks, gear, and advice.

Probably would not have finished Iron Man California if it wasn't for Eric's Dynaplug recommendation. That's pretty cool. Yeah. So here's the question. I'm quite mechanically inclined and do a lot of our bike maintenance with the exception of bearing or cable replacement. I converted both of our bikes to tubeless, and I'm running Schwalby Pro ones.

My partner is running Conti GP5Ks. I used DT Swiss tape and made sure everything was clean as it gets, but I still notice that they will lose 30 plus PSI over the course of a week or so. I've tried two different sealants, but it still seems to leak. For someone who can literally rebuild a car from the ground up, this is quite frustrating. Wow. Unless, of course, it's normal. Any advice would be appreciated.

Good luck in Indian Wells. We may try to make it out to cheer you on that weekend. so much Michael. This is pretty normal. Yeah. We don't have any bike that wouldn't lose about that much over the course of a week. It's just the downside of tubeless. Oh, a week.

Oh, 100%. Yeah. We pump our tires up every time we ride. Yeah. It's just, I don't know. I've never tried to, like, test how much they drop over the course of a week. But I would say that they'll lose, like, five or six PSI over the course of the evening. And it's, I don't know.

I guess it's not a thing I'm concerned about. When you were riding clinchers and inner tubes, Would you not also, because I mean, I still have that on my road bike. It's the end of it. But I still pump it up every time before I ride anyway. Yeah. So I don't see really, like, I think it might be a problem more for people who have their bike on a trainer for a portion. And like their front wheel, they don't realize it's going flat.

Yeah. Yeah. And then all of a sudden it's like 100% flat. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I mean, and like our race wheels, for example, I just kind of keep those out in the garage. And every couple weeks, I'll pump them up. Yeah.

Because otherwise, like, especially the discs, the rear disc that wasn't really designed for tubeless will go flat. And it's, it takes a while to get back on there. So I wouldn't stress about it, but it's definitely not like a car where you pump it up once every 10 years. Yeah. So is it just get used to putting air in it off? Yeah. Just, I mean, just be in the habit of every day you want to, like, get your tire pressure exactly where you like it. And that's kind of as much of it for me as well.

Like, just coming for mountain biking, you're going for like 0.5 p.S. I want to run 16.5 in the back and 15.5 in the front, and you want to make sure that's exactly perfect. And so, I don't know, I'm just in the habit of pumping tires every day. Yeah, okay. There you go. It's like three pumps. It's not a big deal. Yeah. And I don't know. I wish there, I guess I wish there was like a little, does the, you have those SRAM like tire gauges. But they, could you just like keep it on there and just like turn it on and off just to see like when it gets too low? Oh, you mean the things that, yeah, I know what you talk about. I guess. I don't know.

I really looked into those. Just get used to putting air in it, right? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Not a deal. Cool. Well, thanks, Michael. Hopefully, I mean, that's not the answer you wanted, but maybe that's just a lifestyle change.

Yeah, it's an imperfect thing, but it'll save you in a race, as you know. Okay, next question. I'm told to be super careful about carbon frames. For example, I've had to switch to a roof car rack instead of a trunk rack so it wasn't putting clamping pressure on the frame. How careful are you all about this sort of thing with your bikes? For example, do you clamp the seatpost on a bike stand? Do you ever put it on trunk racks? Can't figure out if this is a huge deal

or a case of people on the internet being obsessive. I think this is more people on the internet being obsessive and a bike company is never going to give you the okay to clamp around your top tube. But like Paula's bikes, for example, she doesn't have that much seatpost showing. So when I work on those on the stand, I'll clamp pretty lightly around the top tube

close to the seat post. I just, like I said, I don't clamp that heavily on it. It's totally fine. I mean, you see people sit on their top tubes at coffee shops all the time. So if your bike can handle like a 200-pound person, like sitting on the top tube, I think you can lightly clamp it onto the back of your car. The thing for me is like I'll just always put like a towel or something around it,

so you're not scratching the frame there. And do you feel like maybe this whole thing comes from a time where bike builders were less experienced with laying carbon in a way that was like, had structural integrity, and so carbon frames were snapping, and there were problems, and now it's like, I don't want to say they're bulletproof, but it's like, once's the last time you heard of someone cracking their carbon frame, just without like actually a blunt force? Yeah. Yeah, and I think it's just like kind of stems from a very old distrust for carbon fiber, you know,

from the days of like Spinergy wheels exploding on people. But even back when carbon frames were kind of new, if you were buying a frame from a reputable builder, I just, I don't see this being a problem. but I mean like people like used to say seatbells were super unsafe and you know like your car must be unsafe because you need to put seatbels in it. Yeah. Next question. Now that I have a lot of battery powered things before I ride, my Garmin, my lights, my power pedals and now my whole e-shifting system, how do you make sure everything is topped up? Do you charge the batteries after you're done with the ride or check on them before you ride and then possibly wait because the batteries are low and need to charge?

I'm really just waiting for the day that we take this like Apple, wireless charging concept and you just like put your bike underneath like against the wall it's like underneath a heat lamp sort of device that just like charges everything um but i don't know i'll just like when i notice one battery going kind of low like on the saram it'll either tell us on our wahu or you'll just kind of like see the thing blank red um i'll just kind of like go around the garage that afternoon and like charge a bunch of batteries just to be safe with it and then i think we're both pretty much in the habit of like taking our wahoos off our bikes walking in the house with them and just plugging them for good measure while they, like, sync to the Wi-Fi.

You know something I do, maybe this is silly, but, like, I know that my DIY2 will battery will last a certain amount of time, so I'll just set a reminder when I charge it for four months from now to charge it again. There you go. And then it's just like, then I don't worry about it, and it's just four months comes along, boop, just plug it right in. So I don't have to think about the last time I did it. Yeah.

Next question. How would you recommend I get practice working with a tubeless setup? For example, I'm nervous about having my first experience with a flat, being me on the side of the road with a dinah plug, thank you, Eric, and a single CO2 cartridge. Similarly, are there any tubeless maintenance things that you think are best to outsource to a shop as opposed to learning myself? So many other questions we got have been about kind of like fear of tubeless and what to do if you get a flat and how do you upkeep them and how often do you pump them and what tires do I use. And I think I had that same fear as well, but the experience that I've had over the last two years of using them is how. hardly any flats. And if I did, it was very easy to fix it with a dynamplug.

And Eric. Yeah. But ideally, you should never be, you shouldn't be flatting. Like, with my mountain bike, the only time I've ever actually flatted is, oops, I haven't put ceiling in there for like a year. Yeah. And it's dried up. Yeah, yeah. If you run over, like, a huge staple or something, then you're using the diner plug.

And you would have been screwed no matter what if you had tubes or not. Yeah. And I think that it's okay to also carry like a, spare tube with you because you could take the tire off and put a tube in if the dinna plug doesn't work. So having that flat repair kit is still important so you're not totally stranded. But I think the goal of tubeless is to minimize the flats you're getting. And in our experience, it's completely done that for us. Yeah. Yeah, for the first few months that we were doing it, yeah, we both carried a spare tube and I still to this day carry a hand pump,

especially when I go on like a longer mountain bike ride. You've got your dinah plugs. You've got a CO2 for like a quick repair and then you can always go back to the old ways like if you have that tube you can put that tube in if the gash is so big you put in like a cliff bar wrapper or whatever over that hole that keep the tube from like going through that hole and then sometimes you just that's the flat that no matter what you did you're we're walking home or you're getting an uber and and just being okay with that but i think as you like ease into it like i said carry the hand pump carry the tube and just like work into the comfort or like the comfort with it Especially if it's going to give you anxiety to ride without a hand pump or something,

then just bring the hand pump. It's such an easy solution. Exactly. Yeah, the tubeless is supposed to decrease anxiety because you'll be getting flats and you just won't even know it. Yep. Little pinpricks. I remember the first time when I was doing this race with my actual TT bike and at the time had intertubes. I remember I had seen so many people on the side of the road switching flats and I was like,

I'm never doing a race again without tubeless. and then the next race I did I was tubeless and I remember I didn't think anything about it and then when I came back to my bike after the race I went and there was sealant all over the front of the bike so I had flat and never knew and there was still plenty of pressure left in the front tires

it's like that would have been it yeah yeah next question my name is Matt I'm from Michigan and a day oneer I love this is happening right now dare I even call myself an OG from the transition four and Viking life YouTube days that's as OG as it gets

wow that's intense I have a bike tech with Eric question. I like to do a lot of my own bike maintenance. And after getting a new tri-bike this past season, I noticed a lot of the bolts remarked X Newton X-N-M-M-Max. I'm wondering if you have a recommendation for a torque crunch. I've been looking for a few different ones, but not sure which would be best.

I like that some have an adjustable value so you know when you aren't over or under tightening things. Any suggestion and much appreciated. I think that for the, we were talking with Nick's parents yesterday, they listen to the podcast, and they love the bike tech with Eric because they learn a lot of new things, especially like your mom.

We might not know a lot about bike stuff. So I think first of all, we should explain what a torque wrench is. And also what, when they see X-NM-Max, Eric, what does that mean? They're just saying, on all the bolts on your bike, especially carbon stuff, it's going to say like 3-Newton-meter max or 8-Newton-meter max.

And that's just the maximum amount of torque or tightness level, essentially, that you're going to want to put on that specific. bolt. And a torque wrench will tell you how tight you're tightening something so you're not tight cracking the frame or stripping the bolt or having it too loose that something slips so it just gives you like an accurate

safe value basically. Yeah, cars have this as well. So there's when I got my canyon it came with a kind of like a faux torque wrench which is like it has a little piece of plastic and a needle that tells you when you're at 6 Newton meters, 8 newton meters 10 Newton meters. The thing is

a real torque wrench when you have it set properly. Once you get, if you have it set at 8. Once you put more than 8, it actually clicks past it. So you know you can't physically go past it. I think that's what he's referring to. Yeah. I mean, both are totally accurate ways of measuring torque. One just gives you that hard click. So what does X dash NM max mean? It's like X represents the number and NM represents Newton meters. Oh, so he's just saying X as in like, different bolts have different numbers. Yeah. We covered that. Yeah. So the question would be, First of all, how much do bikes go up to in torque?

So if people are buying a torque wrench and it only goes up to 8 Newton meters, is that going to be enough? I mean, I think the highest torque bolt that I've seen is like on polish-shiv handlebars that actually keep the handlebars from folding down into their packed position. And I think, I want to say that's like 9. Oh, really? Yeah, it's pretty high. It's like 9 or 12. And we have a torque wrench that goes that high, no problem.

Got it. So do you have one that you would recommend? You're saying yesterday maybe the Park Tools one, but does it really matter? I mean, it doesn't really matter, but I think Park Tools is just, that's the one that we have. It's a great brand. It's not too expensive. Like, you could go out there and you could drop, like, $400 on a torque wrench, and it's not going to, like, be that superior.

I don't think Bikster is, like, so finicky that if you're tightening a 4-Newmeter bolt to 4.1, you're going to crack it. So I think the Park Tool is just, like, good value. quality for what it is. Yeah. Cool. And our last question here. Hello, TTL crew. I had a question for the bike tech. I am getting an oval chain ring on my mountain bike as per the local shop recommendation. I was wondering what Eric's thoughts are on the oval chain ring. Are they popular? I am planning to do an Xtera next year. Tears from a newfee, is that someone from Newfoundland? Yeah. Wow. Newfee living in BC, Canada. I've never, maybe I'm an idiot, but I've never seen

oval chain rings on mountain bikes. I mean, it's definitely not popular, but it is a thing, and they kind of come in and out of style every few years. Historically, the major downside of them is they shifted terribly. Because, I mean, if you think about where your derailer needs to be, your front end derailer needs to be half the time it's a long ways away, and half the time it's really close, it's kind of a nightmare. But wouldn't it be a one buy?

Yeah, so one buy has taken a lot of that downside out of it. And for anybody who doesn't understand the concept of an oval chain ring, basically, it's smaller through the dead spot. So like the effective gear ratio is smaller through the dead spot over the top of your pedal stroke and then a larger chain ring essentially through the downstroke. That makes sense.

So it's like over the top where you would like be struggling with the power, you're like pushing a 50. And then in the front where you have the big power pedal stroke, you're like a 54. That's the idea behind it. That sounds like a good idea. Right. You're like, wow, that's so logical. Let's all get them.

But like, I mean, feel free if anybody is very techie. and has done a lot of research into this to prove me wrong, but I have not seen any convincing data to say, like, Chris Frum had a regular chain ring, and he switched to an Oval one, and his FTP went up three watts. I have not seen that.

It's just like, oh, that makes sense. I also remember reading that it's very tricky to calculate power accurately on it because all the algorithms are based off of a perfect circle in the chain ring. I believe that. So, like, the power meters, they kind of do math with cadence and power and time, right? And so when you have, like, this, like, shorter,

throw in a certain parts of your cadence, it can be kind of tricky. Yeah. Yeah, but if you don't care about power, that's not relevant. Right, right. I mean, if you're putting an oval chainery on your bike, I'm going to guess you care. You care about power. You care a lot. Yeah.

So, like, closing, my closing thought on it is that, like, if it's going to make sense anywhere in my mind, just going with this, oh, that makes sense. Like, I feel like on the road in a time trial makes the most sense. For me, on a mountain bike, I don't want to have that kind of, like, simulated bigger or smaller thing as I'm like trying to hop up rocks or like climate technical trail where you just want like ultimate predictability. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe over where your dead spot is, you just, you really, really need a high amount of power at that point at some point. So yeah, I would say that if it's not too late, go back to your bike shop and tell them to put a circle one on.

I mean, you can try it. I just, I guess I'm saying like if everybody's listening is like, I'm going to go order one right now. Just take it with a grain of salt. And if it sounds fun to try, okay, but I haven't seen any data that says it's better. But it's not like an undoable change, right? Like you could always go back and put a circle one on or whatever. It's not like you have to get a whole new bike. You might have to have your chain lengthened a little bit. Oh, interesting.

I wonder how that kind of depends how close your chain is to the limit to begin with, you know. Yeah. Cool. Well, thanks for all those questions, those bike tech with air questions. That was a deep dive. I think that's people's favorite segment that we do. Yeah, we get a lot of people. that say they love it.

I mean, I think a lot of this stuff, maybe to even you and I, Nick, who aren't bike mechanics, we're like, this is a dumb question. But, no, a lot of people don't know this stuff. So it's interesting, and I learn a lot, for sure. Well, sometimes I, like, when I'm coming up with these, I look over at my bikes that are hanging on the wall here.

And I'm like, what am I curious about that Eric could tell me? And then I just, like, I type that in. Yeah, there's infinity questions you can have about bikes. Of course. Yeah. And, like, I just, I want to put out there a little disclaimer, I am not a professional bike mechanic. I have worked in a bike shop and I've built every one of Paula and my bikes over the last,

well, my bikes over the last 10 years and Paula's over the last five. But if we're giving any... That's the experience that I have. If we're giving any really incorrect information, feel free to email me. Yeah. Eric may not be a professional bike mechanic, but he is a bike mechanic to one of the top triathletes in the world. So I feel like that's a pretty good sign. Yeah, that might be actually classified him as a professional mechanic.

I mean, what are the classifications? So true, so true. Okay, so we're going to move on to. more general questions now, and you can submit your questions and support the podcast with your monthly subscription at ThatTriathlonLife.com slash podcast. Every once in a while, we even throw in some bonuses, and there's a very cool one coming up soon, so stay tuned. Our first question, first trisuit. What are your tips for picking up a first trisuit? Any suggestions on what to buy or what should I get? Castelli and just stop stressing? Yes. I think that, unfortunately, when you're going to

for your first try suit, don't cheap out on it. That's the biggest thing, is that a lot of them are very expensive, maybe intimidatingly expensive, but they're that price for a reason. It's because the seams are really good, or this fabric is really high quality, the shammies really good. So is there a price range? Like what's expensive? Because there's some that think $200 is expensive, and then there's some people that think $700 is expensive. Yeah, not $700. I'm thinking in like the $300 to $400 range maybe. I don't know. Unfortunately, I've never bought a kit. There aren't that many in the $300 to $400 range.

They're higher. No, they're lower. Like, even like a nicer, a nicer one is like at the very top end is like a $3.350. But there's a lot of, there's like, yeah, what are you looking at here? Oh, I see, yeah. So, like, those are, that's a really nice one. The Castelli, Sammer. The Free San Remo from Kestelli we're seeing right now on, I don't even know what's like, oh, on Kosteli for 240.

That is, like, Paul and I have both racing that suit. Their new flagship suit is called the PR Speed. and that's a very pro cut and might not work for a lot of people, but the Free San Remo, fantastic, fantastic feeling suit. And it's $250, which, by the way, is what a lot of people pay for just bibs.

Right. You know? So it's not, it's worth it to get something that's that nice. Yeah. And you could wear this for what? Years. Three seasons, if you take good care of it?

Yeah, I would say, I always like wash ours in really gentle soap in the sink after we race, so I don't put it in the washing machine, I don't put it in the dryer, but kind of like let it soak for a little bit in a really gentle detergent

and then hang it up and it should last you a long time. You're only wearing them like three or four times a year maybe. Erica and I wear ours eight times a year but we do have a few suits per year because we just want it to look new. Like sometimes when you wear a suit a lot it can kind of discolor

or whatever but the quality of the fabric should last seasons. I've won the same one every race this year. Yeah. Like 12, 13 races or something. Wow. I think you'll get tired of the color before it wears out to be honest. Yeah, yeah. I agree. And they're paper thin. It's like these shouldn't last, but they do.

Yeah. Do you guys ever dry any athletic equipment? Like put it through the dryer? Yeah, I do. But we're also spoiled and we get free stuff. I try to hang our jerseys, but like bibs and stuff, even I put in the dryer sometimes, yeah. Depending on the bibs, there's some Kistelli ones that are kind of like papery feeling, and I definitely hang dry those. Oh, man, if you just got a bunch of extra money sitting around, you should get a pair of those. Oh, what are they? I think they're like the The premium. Yeah, the premium black bib short.

They're so nice. But don't put those in the dryer. They're not doing the wash. Like hand wash those while singing opera. By the way, it's premio, and it means prize. Oh, really? Wow, wow. That's cool.

Okay, so get those on order, everybody. And tell them that Eric and Paula sent you. It is Black Friday. You know, right? It might snag out a couple bucks off. That's true. We're going to put this out on Black Friday. Yeah.

Next question here, would you ever recommend people pay more for the early swim start, priority bike racking packages. For example, in NewSaid, they cost an additional $180 on top of the $410 normal price. Or would you just recommend being cautious on the swim? And just as a kind of background, this is this person's first triathlon. Yeah, so she's nervous about the swim, getting kicked in the head and drowned. I also read this out to Eric in the van, and I was like, did you even know this was a thing to pay even more money? Malibu does it to start early and get the back.

Best Buy Krakken, Eric was like, okay, if you're going all in on this, like, experience the full real thing. Don't upgrade. And also, this person also mentioned that they don't care about a particular time. It's just kind of like a fear-based thing. But part of doing your first race is the fear that comes along with it. You're not going to drown. You might get kicked a little bit, but I would never, ever pay the extra amount.

I don't know. Yeah, I just, I guess if you just, if you just, you see. seriously have like such a terrible fear that you this might prevent you from doing the race at all totally i agree but if it's like that doesn't that sounds like it would be a very unenjoyable part of the race like i do think that's kind of part of the race and it's something you'll tell in your great story afterwards so also if this is a real concern of yours it's part of your due diligence to get and do some swims with other people in open water so you get used to that feeling yeah i feel like it's not i i don't know maybe it's just me but i even at your beginning of

your triathlon career did you ever feel like actually scared in a group swim setting? You did. Well, so I still do sometimes. They're like scared about what? That someone's going to hit you so hard that you drown. But it doesn't go well. Yeah. Well, also just an eye to you racing, like going around the buoys and you get your head pummeled underwater. Like it's really, it is scary. But I don't think that there's any age group races that are that tight around swim buoys with that many people. No. And if you're concerned about it, don't take the A line around the buoy. Take a wide line around on the buoy, especially if you're not concerned about the time.

You can also do the opposite of this. Wait for your wave to go, count to three, and then go into the water. Totally. That's great. It's like you don't need to be off the front because then it may be those people run you over. The only way I could see that this extra money would make sense is if you were a really fast age grouper trying to get a fast time or something and you had just had a clear road on the bike. Because then you're not waiting for your wave and going past a bunch of other waves. It's like, then you're just basically acting like a professional athlete would get your clear water, clear road.

But in terms of just being nervous. Also in a race, you kind of, at least me get into this mindset of, fuck everything. This is a race. I don't care about being scared. Yeah. So you just have this like extra level of tolerance for discomfort and for. I mean, we all know that. That's why the racing is fine is because you can pull that extra gear out of yourself.

But it's not just limited to your fitness. It's also limited to your like threshold for, for. fear. Yeah, exactly. Like me on the bike, a little more fearless when it's a race, although still a bit feared. So this extra $180, to me, this new set of try, of course, we know, but so everyone knows, it's a humongous triathlon in Australia. It's like a very famous one. I think this is like one of those things where it's like Malibu try here. It's a race that some people do only once a year. And it's people's like, people who maybe have money and they're like, yeah, of course I'm to do the extra 180

to have the VIP treatment and start early special bike racking in Malibu they also have like other little fancy things for people who do it I mean if you're trying to be like a real triathlete I feel like just experience it the way it's going to be experienced yeah that's what I think too and then finally when are some new shirts dropping

will you guys get more water bottles I'm holding out for the next drop so I can grab a bunch of things all in one go because of postage to Australia not your fault and we really are far away Thanks so much for everything you do. All three of you are amazing and so inspiring. Much love, Amy, from Toowoomba, Australia. That's an awesome.

Cool place. You've heard of that? I've heard of it, yeah. Toowoomba, that's cool. We've got T-shirts. Is it coming? They should be, like, in the mail on the way to our warehouse. It's like everything.

Stuff goes a little bit slower than we want, but we'll have more waterballs on the way as well. We were trying to get everything ready for, you know, like a Black Friday Thanksgiving type of release, but just a couple weeks behind. It doesn't really make sense to do Black Friday. for us, though, because we're not really trying to push any sales. We just want to... There's just a timing thing. It's more of a timing thing. But hopefully the next round of

clothing is here before Christmas, although if we're shipping to Australia, likely will not make it before Christmas. But we do also have some zip-up hoodies coming in January, February. And like, I'd say by March, we'll have, like, a good amount of things. But it's a slow trickle, for sure. And cool things with water bottles coming, too. Right? Mm-hmm. Cool. Next question. Hi guys, recent new listener here. I know top age groupers do it, and I assume pros do it as well, but is there a specific strategy to peeing on the bike on course? And when is a good time to do it? More specifically, my question pertains to the Indian Welles 70.3 course. It's a completely flat

course, and unlike a course like Santa Cruz, where you can stand on the pedals and pee on the downhill, it's constant pressure on the saddle and the prostate and the pedals. In 2018, Indian Wells inaugural year, I was on with the lead. group of age groupers on the bike, headed into about mile 35 and I had to pee so bad, I had to stand and coast while I did it. I lost the pack I was with and wasn't able to even bridge back up with them, which I think cost me considerable time. So I guess what I'm asking is, A, do you pee yourself while on the bike? And if so, B, for Indian Wells and other flat courses, how do you do it? Finally, C, are you able to do it while running? Seems extremely difficult to do while running,

and I know there are top guys who can. Sorry for all the pee questions. I just feel something that every top athlete does, but no one really talks about. Love the pod. Keep up the good work. I agree. Yeah. Honestly, like, I have only peed in one half iron man that I've done. Oh, really? My very first one, I guess that was just the most hydrated or whatever, in Oceanside.

And I feel like I remember being able to, like, pedal softly through it, just like was able to relax enough and didn't have to wait for a downhill. But this is a really good question. I just don't have that much experience with it. Maybe because our half Ironman time is 340 instead of whatever. Six hours. I don't know what's normal. If we were out there for six hours, I would definitely have to pee.

Paula, what about you? I've never had to pee on the bike in a race. Wow, that makes me feel good. I also never had to drink. Yeah, right. Paul doesn't drink or eat or pee. I don't drink or pee. I'm a robot.

My experience, and I was fully ready to have to pee during my Iron Man on the bike, and I tried so hard and pretty much could not do it. I had to stop at a porta potty. My body just wouldn't let it happen. I think it's kind of like, actually last night I was having dreams where I had to pee,

and my body just wouldn't pee. I'm like, what's the problem? I need to pee. And then I would wake up, be like, oh yeah, my body knew I was sleeping. I think my body just knows I'm on a bike and I couldn't do it. I certainly could not do it running.

I think this is, you know, it's just a genetic thing. My closing thought on this is stop to pee when you're running. It's not worth having pee in your running shoes. and it takes one second. Yeah. Especially in a race.

Yeah, it's not like you're drafting off of anybody. You know, it's just... Speaking of P, we got to take Flynn out to P, but we will be right back after this commercial break with no ads. And we're back. Are we back? Yes, we're back. Okay, good. This next question here is from Maya. As people so involved with the triathlon,

are you also fans of other sports, or are you mostly preoccupied by tri-slash-running-slash-cycling events? If so, what are your favorites to watch or play? Do you have any favorite athletes outside of triathlon? Love the pod, and thanks for sharing so much. great information with us. Maya. We really like watching World Cup mountain biking, especially on the women's side. And when my parents were visiting from Canada, they are Oilers obsessed.

Like, that's the NHL team in Eminton. So we figured out how to download ESPN Plus to watch the games with them. And consequently, we have become hooked. So thankfully, there's hockey games every night or every other night. It's wild. They play so much. Like, they must never actually, like, practice because they're just playing so much. So we watch the Oilers games now and we are fully on the bandwagon, super fans of that.

And it's cool because it's like a show to watch every other night. It's Nick and I were talking about this. It's borderline too intense hockey because like the court. It's not the court. The ice. The ice is so small. There's so many guys. The puck moves so fast.

It's stressful. Like the opposite of soccer where it's going to take everybody like 20 seconds to run the other end of the field. And hockey like boom, boom there at the other end. Also it's also called a rink. for you Americans. It can be called a rink. Yes. We don't know hockey, sorry.

I don't know all the words. How many freedom units in hockey? But it's crazy because they play so often, but yet you're equally as emotionally attached to the winner loss of each game. So it comes down to like a tie and then the other team, they have like a sudden death

or it's like one team's up by one and then they pull their goalie. The power plays and the goalie gets pulled. Stress. Like your heart rate, but... I can't. What I love about it is I get so captivated and engaged in it that I don't think about

anything else. I don't do anything else. I'm fully into the game. And I think that might be why a lot of people like pro sports and like watching football and like watching hockey. It's like an escape. It unites you. It escapes you from your problems or from your stressful day. It is stressful in its own way, but in a way where the game's over, you forget about it, you go to bed.

You're not like, you know, that attached to it. I love it. I think it's super fun. Do you guys also follow Formula One or just drive to survive? We follow Drive to Survive. I watch all of the the race, the qualifying highlights, the race highlight, basically everything that Formula One posts on YouTube,

and they have really great like nine minute, like qualifying highlights and then like nine minute race highlights that you can watch. I just don't have, I typically don't have the time to watch a whole thing. Yeah, right. Unfortunately. And then Eric, you also, like last night we were just sitting on the couch watching snowboard films. Yeah.

My current... Ski films. Yeah, my current favorite thing to watch right now, and probably playing people of, if you ski, you've watched this, but Cody Townsend on YouTube he has this great series called The 50 where he's like basically over the last three years going around North America and checking off like the 50

most epic backcountry ski lines and it's very like informally shot he just has one filmmaker with him and Bjorn Salon and they like here's the route we're going to go do here's how we got to get there we're going to ride in on snowmobiles and we're going to hike this far and like kind of logistics it and stuff and then they go and check it off the list and it's super cool.

Yeah that's a lot. Cool. It's for the most part, the opposite of hockey. It's like kind of relaxing. Sometimes it's a little dangerous, but... Well, there's like, the big difference there is that one of them is live, and the other one is like a curated selection of events, right? They can control the emotional roller coaster a little more.

It does feel pretty raw, but... It does. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Cool. And for me, I used to follow beach volleyball a lot when I played a lot, and now I feel like I really just love... I love following triathlon.

I think it's so interesting. It's so fun. and I don't know how much other sports have become like this, but the fact that we get like, you know, like you two are like two of the top tri athletes and you have a podcast and a YouTube show. And a lot of other athletes have ways that you can follow them and like get invested in their story and learn about them as a character. So then when you see them race, you're not necessarily seeing athletes race.

You feel like you're kind of seeing like before you know race against each other. And you kind of like, oh, they were injured early in the year. So this is a big day for them or whatever it is. Yeah. Every time you say beach volleyball, I can't not start playing the top gun thing. It's off in my head. It's not like that. That was a terrible scene, by the way.

It was not how beach volleyball is plate. Anyway, next question is from Lucas. In the same spirit as a question you've covered for the van, what would you do different for the garage Pain Cave build? Best decisions, anything you regret. I'm buying my first house and would like to build a pain cave. Thanks, Lucas. Man, the nice thing about the pain cave is for the most part.

It's like, it's not final. Like, nothing is bolted to the wall. we could bolt the TVs to the wall if we wanted. But the things that we still have left to do in there is there's like kind of this unfinished wall that would cover up our two water heaters. And that would be really nice aesthetically speaking to cover that up and not have that to look at. Paul, is there anything that you think of that would be better about the garage, the way you guys have it set up now? Or any tips for someone building it that you didn't realize at the time,

like something you bought that you like actually we never used that? or anything like that. Well, something that I didn't think was necessarily needed, and we brought it from our other house to this house was like the garage matting on the floor. I think that is so much nicer than just putting it straight on concrete. And it's really expensive. I think we actually have like horse stall mats, but you can get any kind of like gym floor. Crazy expensive, but just makes it feel more like a training room and less like a garage. And I think that's really something that we paid attention to when we were building out this pain cave is we painted the walls a nice color. We have that mat. So it doesn't

feel like you're in the garage. Like you're in the garage all the time. It feels like it's on space. Yeah. So I think that's important. So you're not going out to this like dungeon. And a lot of the time people take kind of glory in like the dungeon pain cave thing. And it can still be that but it doesn't have to be depressing.

Also do you feel like it has a little bit of an insulation as far as temperature quality? So you're not standing on like the actual ground? Oh, for the ground. Yeah. You can stand on the mat. It's not cold concrete. The garage door is not insolation. But it's warmer than the outside. Yeah.

Yeah, it's a little bit warmer than the outside. And if we put on a heater in there for like a couple of minutes, it usually warms up enough that we can ride in like a long sleeve jersey and then take that off after five minutes. A heating system would be pretty sweet. Just even so like in the summer, in the wintertime, we could maybe do just a little bit warmer training if we were going to our first race in Florida. Oh, yeah.

You know, like that kind of thing would be sweet to get the heating system dialed. Yeah. Got it. Cool. Next question is from Zach. Hey, Pfeffin, I want to thank you all so much. Firstly, for helping me change my life. I've lost 50 pounds this year and found the love for a sport I never thought I would be interested in.

I've gone back and watched vlogs going back three years or more and have noticed Eric talking about short course and long course meters when it comes to swimming. What exactly does that mean? I've Googled it a bit and found no real answers. Also, if you ever in Cincinnati, Ohio, I was just there for a Paremour concert and found a donut shop. called Peace, Love, and Little Donuts, and they were delicious, and also had hot dog donuts for Flynn. Had dog donuts.

What am I reading? Had dog donuts for Flynn. But I mean, a hot dog donut wouldn't be terrible. I don't know. That sounds like an interesting variation on the bacon donut. We can make a TTL branded hot dog donut. Again, thank you so much for the pod in the weekly vlog, Zach from Kentucky.

How would that even work? You'd have like a donut bun and then a weener inside it. I mean, it just sounds like a person. No, but the wiener would be a fake weiner. It would be like a sugar. thing. I don't know what you'd do. Oh. But how would it taste if you had kind of like a sugary bun and a

actual weird? Well, buns are sugary. Well, isn't that hot dog and a blanket? It doesn't exist. Well, a hot dog and a blanket though, it's a puff pastry. It's not like a donut. What if it was in croissant? This might be, end up being like, what do you call those things that Danny likes? A corn dog? A corn dog.

Oh, some dogs are good. But they're still not like that sweet. Like if we did like a donut for the bread. Well, you know how they do like waffles sometimes with like the sugar like crust on there? drag a corn dog with that sort of motif. I'll tell you what. All right, the scientists are on it. Yeah, we're working on it guys.

This guy didn't even write hot. Nick just made me. I accidentally said it. I'm getting hungry. It's Thanksgiving day. We're working towards Thanksgiving dinner. I still got a bike ride. Okay, what's the question?

What's the difference between short course and long course meters? Well, the length of the pool. Yeah. So a short course meters pool is 25 meters long. A long course meter pool is 50 meters long. A short course yards pool, which is most common in the United States is 25 yards. It's kind of weird how the United States has adopted the short-course yards as their primary way of, like, collegiate swimming. Most pools that are available across the United States are short-course yards.

And it's significantly shorter from meters. Like if you think about a yard versus a meter, that's the difference times 25. So the times are faster. There's more flip turns. It's more, some could say it's more exciting. It's a different kind of swimming. It's like you have to be so good at flip turns to be good at that when you're talking about like collegiate swimming. A long course pool will be very obvious because it's very long.

Yeah. And they're less hot. It's twice as long as the short course, right? Yeah. It's very clear. And when you see people in the Olympics swimming, they're always swimming in the long course meters pool. I was going to say that if you're watching the Olympics, but sometimes it's hard to tell on TV because

they're going so fast. Literally twice as fast as you. Yeah. You're like, oh, I can swim in the Olympics. I could do a 25 second 25. No, you cannot. They're doing 25. 50.

Yeah. Yeah. But what's fun of it's, what's fun of it. to me is that in the U.S., like you kind of touched on this, the short course is in yards and long course is in meters. Still in meters. And I think that probably comes down a lot to because the Olympic Games are in a 50

meter long-course pool that, you know, the U.S. has to somewhat cater to like building Olympians that are good at 50-meter pools because that's, like I said, a different kind of swimming. If you're a good flip turner, underwater kicker, dives, all of that becomes a little more important in a yards pool versus

in long course that's a little more endurance, less emphasis on the flip turns. I don't know. If you want to qualify for anything or if you're going to compete internationally or anything, you can't be like,

oh, well, I swim really fast in 25 yards, let me into the 50 meters Olympics. You're like, whatever, that's a fake distance. Also, it seems like in triathlon, ideally we should be swimming long course meters

as much as possible because we're not flip turn in races. If you have the option of a short course yards pool or a long course meter's pool for training, pick the long course meters. It's going to be harder,

but also make you, I would say, fitter. It seems like that. You don't get that flip turn break every 30 seconds or whatever. Sometimes I want that fifth flip turn break. Yeah, well, that's exactly why it's good that you don't have it, right? Because you just won't get it in a race.

Like, ideal situation we like is like two days a week long course meters. Yeah. Because you get good fitness out of that, but the rest of the time you're not just like so wrecked. And a lot of pools will do this, right? They'll have short course yards, one direction, and then for a certain day or a certain time of a day, they'll rotate 90 degrees and then that happens to be 50 long course meters. I hope that's not just super confusing. Yeah, maybe.

Should we just cut that out? Yeah, that's like a little bit hard to understand. No, I think it's interesting. If you have a pool that's shaped like a box, a lot of the times one direction of the box is short course yards. You flip the lane ropes 90 degrees, and then that direction of the pool is long course meters. I think that's pretty simple. You did a good job of explaining it. Nick, I think, skipped something.

Sorry, I'm a genius. I don't expect all you mean geniuses. Nick's like, if the lifeguards roll up the lane ropes and flip them 90 degrees. Ghibli Ghibli Gimla Gimle. They're like, what? But are those poor lifeguards, though? I went to music school, sorry. I don't know math and geometry.

Okay, well, there you go. Hopefully that cleared that up for you, Zach. Next question is from Brianna. Thank you so much for all you do and put out into the world for others to follow along with you. My question is, when you do treadmill training, do you adjust your pace compared to what you'd aim for if you were outside? I find the treadmill feels a lot easier at a given pace

than if I were to run the same pace outside. and I know that's due in part not to having to propel oneself forward. I know you do most of your training based on RPE, but assume you're quite aware of your pace regardless of if you're doing by feel or by pace. Do you adjust to something like 10 seconds per kilometer faster on the treadmill versus what you'd run outside? I'm aiming to train for Boston qualifying marathon time through the winter and don't want to train too easy as I put my time in on the treadmill. Thanks again for all you do.

Looking forward to cheering for you at Indian Wells, Paula. Brianna. One thing that occurred to me while you were reading this question is I think I like, that's part of why I like running on the treadmill. It's because the pace, sorry, Flynn is. When he's not getting attention, he becomes super itchy. It's really interesting, especially when he's got a loud collar on. But I think part of why I like running on the treadmill is because the pace is just, I don't really think about it that much. I just kind of like put in 10 miles per, or whatever it is per hour and kind of start running.

and increase. Your treadmill's in miles per hour. It is, but when we hook it up to Zwift, then my SWIFT is reading kilometers. So, anyway, but it's kind of nice to just, like, push up if I'm feeling like I should run faster, push down, if I feel like I should run slower. That being said, I think, like, a pretty

common thing for people to do on most treadmills is to just put it at, like, 1%. Elevation, not speed, necessarily. That is kind of, like, widely considered to negate wind resistance and all of that stuff and, like, treadmill flex. So run at 1% is just and kind of consider that to be zero and run with paces.

Also, I seriously disagree with this person and I think it's just a proof that all treadmills read differently. I think running on the treadmill paces feel way harder. And I think that is basically how your treadmill is calibrated. Because I've been to gyms before, well, I'll put it to like four minutes per K and it doesn't feel hard. So it's clearly not calibrated, right? Like I know what four minutes per K feels like outside. So I don't know. I think our woodway is probably calibrated.

properly, but it has, it's not very forgiving. It's kind of a stiff surface. It's not springy. It's not springy, so you feel kind of slow on it, but some of these like springy miscalibrated gym treadmills or whatever are, they definitely regronged. Could give you a false sense of confidence. So I would maybe train more based on heart rate if you're doing treadmill running to train for this particular event compared to your outside heart rate. That might be a little bit more accurate. Yeah. Or like Eric said, put it at an incline. Just perceived exertion. Yeah, perceived exertion for sure. But I mean also, just to continue my campaign for the increased elevation, running a little bit uphill is pretty good for your run for them. Yeah.

So what I'll do on the treadmill a lot of times that I like is I'll put it at that 1%. And then like every five minutes, I'll do one minute or 30 seconds at like 5%. And that's like a real good little form drill to work in and keep yourself entertained as you go through a 45 minute treadmill run. Yeah, I agree. That's cool. Well, the next question is very related to it. So we'll just go right into it. It's from Dave.

Next and last question, right? Yes, next and last. Question about training and devices. What foot pod do you use for running on Zwift, or do you use a treadmill belt sensor? If I have missed that episode somewhere, then apologies. I used to use the stride sensor, but it died really quickly and could not get any support or resolution from them,

so we'll not purchase another. Ooh, ouch. Hope you're well, and the new rig is going to be dope. Dave. So first of all, I think a lot of people know what these foot sensors are, but I don't know if a lot of people know what the treadmill belt sensors are. Do you want to enlighten people? Have you heard of these?

We've used them. Yeah, we have one. Yeah, they're called the run sensor, R-U-N-N. Makes so much sense. By North Engineering or something like that? North Pole Engineering. North Pole Engineering. So you buy them separately.

They're not Zwift affiliated in any way, but they're a really good tool that you actually just calibrate on your treadmill belt. So you're putting the sensor. It's very like a rudimentary, simple thing, but it works. You put the sensor on the side of the belt, and then you put these little reflective strips on the belt, a measured interval. and you calibrate that with your treadmill. So Zwift is picking up the Bluetooth reading from this sensor,

and it tells you the pace. And it's really accurate. More accurate, I think, than the flip pods. Yeah. If you are extremely blessed, as we are, to be sponsored by Zwift, and they hooked you up with a Woodway treadmill, and some other model treadmills out there,

they actually do have a Bluetooth reading on them, and that goes straight to Zwift. I think a lot of new treadmills have that. Man, that is the most magical experience, I just got to say. Yeah. It'll even read the incline. It's crazy. So if you're on Zwift and you're running five minutes per K at a 2% grade,

and then you go look at your workout after, it'll say you climbed 30 meters in that kilometer. Like it calculates that. Wait. Are we at the point yet where, for example, when you're riding your bike on Swift? No, it won't change the treadmill gradient, but it will account for your... It has to talk to the treadmill for it to do that. The treadmill is just talking to Zwift, but Zwift is not. I guarantee...

It's going to happen. It's happening. Guarantee there's already people working on it. I've never done like a Zwift. I do this all the time in the cycling as part of Zwift, but in the running part of Zwift, they do have programmed workouts. I wonder if you pick like, oh, I want to do a hill workout

on the Zwift program workouts. It adjust your speed for you. Does it adjust your incline? I don't think it adjust your speed for you. You have to do that yourself. I think you have to manually do it on the treadmill currently. It's just guiding you. Yeah.

It's like, change the two minutes per K or like whatever. And you just push the bottom and do that yourself. I'm like 99% sure. It's coming. Oh, it's going to happen. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. But long story short, I've heard.

I've heard a lot of people have issues with the stride with the foot pod things, but we never had an issue with that. On our other treadmill, we have that run sensor and it's pretty reliable. It's $100. It's a good investment and it is pretty, yeah, it's pretty accurate. I guess it would be pretty freaking sweet if those stride things worked because you could run on the gym. You could go to the gym and run on the treadmill. Well, that's the advantage. That's the advantage of the foot pod over the run treadmill.

At least it's consistent. You have to have your own treadmill to use these run sensors because you're putting. the strips on the belt. You cannot go to the gym. That's a good pointer. I've never thought of that. So if you want to go to the gym and use their treadmill on Swift, you've got to have a stride pod or just don't use Swift at the gym.

It's funny because the stride pod, like the reason it sounds attractive to me is if you are, if you can convert your running to running with power and then you do a lot of trail running, it's a really good way to have a consistent idea of what you're doing when you're going slow up. It's totally true. Yeah. Or if it's, I think Lauren Goss actually used one in our half marathon. She ran a 101. And it was a really windy, wet day.

And she used her power to kind of like adjust her effort into the wind and everything because... That's smart. It's hard to look at your pace and be running a bit slower into a headwind and think, oh, I'm running so slow. But you're actually running really hard. And then you're going to flip and get the tail one and see opposite effect. So it could be good for that too. That's really interesting. Yeah.

I feel like they're still like zeroing in on getting super accurate power readings on these foot pods. It's not like, it's not nearly as good as cycling power. But it's kind of an interesting developing technology. Yeah. I think it's cool. I've never tried it, but it's also intriguing. Yeah, it's intriguing for sure. Cool.

Well, those are all our questions. And once again, you can submit your questions and support the podcast at that triathlon life.com slash podcast. Happy Thanksgiving to everybody. We are about to go out and try to, should we say this? Do we want to put it into existence? Well, maybe not yet. Well, I don't know.

Nick told me about this climb that's about 15 minutes. like, if you get the QOM on this, you're like famous. You're famous. You're famous. It's Mandibille Canyon in Santa Monica. So I'm like, well, I feel really confident in my QOM skills on slight inclines on a TT bike that are 15 minutes. Well, that's exactly what this is. So we're going to try to go for it. If we get it, it's going in the pod. If we don't, you'll never hear that this ever happened. Yeah. I mean, even if I'm close. Yeah. If you're top 10. The QOM is 1655, I think. And I'm going to try to, I don't know what my power is. going to be. I'm not going to look at my power, but I think I'll have to hold over 310.

Well, it's hard because the current female who has it right now, like, drafted off of two guys going 400 watts out there. So it's like her power is meaningless. And she's for research. But she's, she's strong. She's a local legend here. She's a good cyclist, but she fully titled her ride like, Mandyville QOM thanks to the lead out train. Right. At least she's not like, she's not pretending like it's her by herself or anything like that. And this goes back to a pod question. Like, is it ethical to use a leadout train to get QOMs? I don't think it is. We all agree. it's not.

Until someone does it and then everyone has to do it. But I'm going to try to do it OIO. Well, the problem is like when pro tours come through and get like 200 K-O-1s. It's like, well, you're never going to get those. That's something. That's something. But this is not that case. So I'm going to try to do it by myself on my TT bike.

Go 16 minutes hard and then come home and eat turkey. Drown yourself in turkey and pie. Well, thank you guys all for listening. We'll be back next week. I think we might record again from here. We have to think about that whole thing. Oh my gosh. Oh, my gosh.

Why do we just stop now and then start the next one? No, we got to get this QOM, guys. All right, catch you soon, guys. Bye, guys. Later.