That Triathlon Life Podcast - Nick becomes an IRONMAN, Eric gets ready to race his first Swimrun, and more!

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

This week, Nick gets redemption for his Ironman Wisconsin DNF from 2022 and officially becomes an Ironman. We share some updates on Team TTL, give a preview of what Eric can expect in his first Swimrun race, and even get to some listener-submitted questions. This week we discussed:Our favorite mid-day snacksJet lag and trainingRacing in buoyancy shorts instead of a wetsuitWhen to replace a tubeless tireOur favorite places to live and race in the worldA big thank you to our podcast supporters who keep the podcast alive! To submit a question for the podcast and to become a podcast supporter, head over to ThatTriathlonLife.com/podcast

Hey everyone, welcome to that triathlon life podcast. I'm Eric Lagerstrom. I'm Paula Fenley. And I am Nick Goldstein. This is going to be a good one. I got a feeling, but I also have some hard data. We've been hyping up for Nick's Iron Man, Wisconsin, Retribution, comeback race. Iron Man World Championships this weekend. We had some development team athletes with some good races at Santa Cruz, 70.3. And The Team TTL chatter is going off on the app and in the interweb. So we've got a lot of fun stuff to cover. And once we're through all those things, we'll be hitting questions.

Yep. Triathlon related questions as sent in by listeners. So if you're new here, Paul and I are both professional athletes. Nick is a amateur athlete, Iron Man. What? And the master of the audio on this podcast. So welcome. Wow, it's good to be back, guys.

Nick's wearing his finisher hoodie, which is like honestly the ugliest thing I've ever seen. You know, I think what they wanted is they wanted it to stick out in public, so people looked at you. And it definitely does stick out. It does. Hey, come talk to me. Come talk to me about this thing that I'm wearing. I don't know who thought those like blue polka dots were a good idea. That's the only thing throwing me off.

Honestly, I can get behind the maroon. It's a good color, but the fish gill slash sort of blue dot situation on the, Bottom of the hoodie is confusing. But anyway, congrats. But we are proud of you, Nick. We're so proud of you. Thank you, guys. You pushed through.

Can't wait to hear about it. Some nitty-gritty details. But yeah, let's kick her off. So we do have a few cool things happening before this. First of all, we had Devo athletes racing this weekend because on the same day as Iron Man Wisconsin was a pro race, Iron Man 70.3 Santa Cruz. And if you have a good memory three years ago, Eric and I were racing at the same time. And while I was dying, Eric was winning and he won that race.

So here we have three years later. Same race happened. Our friend Jackie Herring got second, actually, in the women's field. And we had, Eric, do you want to talk about the TTL Devo athletes that raced? Yeah, we had two of our original, like, inaugural class development team athletes racing. Andy Kruger, Ali Brower. They both had great races and for like different reasons. We're very excited about it.

Ali's been on this journey of coming back to like full health and full racing as a professional athlete that has been very fun and fulfilling, exciting to follow. She had a, she came off the bike, I think, in ninth place and then ran to 13th place, which is a huge result for somebody who was just spent like a couple years trying to become healthy. Oh, yeah. It's really freaking awesome. And she's riding Eric Sargonne. She's riding my Argon T-T bike that I sold her from a couple years back.

And she still got the original TTL development team kit on. It's warm, fuzzies, good vibes all around. Andy Kruger, who was actually kind of the reason we started a development team, he messaged me while we were sitting in our living room one evening and asked about help with a kit design. And we ended up coming up with this idea of helping young athletes and made him a kit to wear and called it the development team. He got seventh at Santa Cruz.

That's so good. Yeah, he lives here in Bend. He trains. He swims with us. Goes for bike rides with us sometimes. Training really hard, really dedicated. And he's just kind of like finally cracking the top 10 as just, he's also borrowing some wheels from us. So that we also feel particularly invested for that reason. But he's, you know, every time he races, we've been like, come on, man, come on. Like top 10. Like you got this, you got this. And he did. And it's awesome to see. So. Yeah, the winners of that race were Sam Appleton, which I personally love to see because I think Sam's been around for a while, much like me and Eric. And it's fun to see, yeah, someone from like that generation, which isn't that long ago, still winning a bunch of these 70.3s. So, well done to Sam. And then Tamara Jewett on the women's side. Fellow Canadian. Love to see nice people win. Having a good race before she goes to Kona. So that's Santa Cruz. Coming up this weekend, of course, Iron Man World Championships.

from the home team for TTO, we got Zach Cooper. He was the very last person to qualify for Iron Mail World Championships and Nice. He's there. He's doing some awesomely fun reels and content and photos and videos and like the whole thing around that. And we're just excited to be part of it. So make sure you tune in and we'll follow Zach on the tracker this weekend. If you want to hear an in-depth review on Nice, you can listen to ProChinaews. But you guys want to do real quick picks, like under a minute is what.

giving us to do top three picks. Yeah, let's do it. Let's see, for just assuming it's going to be some version of a Norwegian, probably Christian, laid low, and I hope Rudy gets on the podium. Yeah. Hope, and I don't think it's that much of a stretch. He's, like, shown that he can do Nice. That's his home roads.

That's his vibe. I think he could have a good one there. And then I guess, I don't know, Magnus. Is Magnus racing? Yeah, he's racing, yeah. Hard to count him out. But I'm going to stick with those three. My podium picks are Gustav for the win,

laid low for second, Rudy for third. Did you say Gustav for the win? Yeah. Yeah, that's what I want to see. Would love that. Won't lie. I would also love that so much.

I mean, that would be the triathlon world would love that. Yeah. That does feel like a podium, hope rather than a podium pick, but we're all about the podium hopes. Great, great. Well, I think it's going to be laid low is going to win. And then I think I'm going to say Patrick, no, I'm going to say Christian second and Patrick third. Okay. This is not my hopes and dreams. This is my, this is my predictions. No, that's also a great pick. Okay. And we had announced Team TTO last week.

And people freaked out about it. Very excited. We got, I mean, finally, it's something that, Eric, I know you've been just like toiling over for a long time. So the news is out. And I had people message me saying that they wanted to be team captain. And they're like giving me their resume. They're like, I'm a Northeast coach. I coach these teams.

Do not message Nick. That is not going to help your case, everybody. Not that it's competition to be team captain. But we just want to, yeah, we could definitely use some help. like keeping the whole thing going. But yeah, kits are looking awesome. That is a thing that I'm sure everybody is very interested in. We are working with Kristen Mayer on the kit design. We actually worked with Christian Dunn on the logo sort of look for the team, but Kristen's putting it onto a kit and we've got a couple of options that are really, really cool. We're excited about.

Another couple of things we just saw in the comment section in the app, there will be a non-racing, non-triathlon options. So we're not trying to say everybody who wants to spend the team has to buy a trathlon kit every year. That's certainly not the goal. But you can be a part of the team and get all the perks and being on the fun for a non-try option. And then team events, yes, that is like a massive priority for us. So Zwift rides, actual in-person things. We're working on an early season like base camp. Got some stuff planning the back half of the season as well. And then just active at a race like Nick did in Ironman, Wisconsin, the shakeout run, but we're going to be ahead of

the game a little bit, and we're just going to keep elevating those and making them even more awesome. And then, Eric, you're actually racing this weekend yourself. Oh, yeah. I almost forgot about that. I'm swim running this weekend, which is first time. First time. It feels pretty fun to be doing something for the first time. I won't lie. It's pretty excited. Yeah, dude. So can you give us just like a quick little preamble to what's going to happen? Sure. So it's on Orcus Island, which is in the San Juan Islands, which are kind of like halfway between Seattle and Vancouver Island in Canada.

I think there are like 13 swims and 12 runs or 12 swims and 13 runs for a total of, I think like 5 to 6K of swimming and 32K of running and 1,400 meters of elevation gain. Oh. So this is actually... They got some proper hills and mountain type action on this island, and it's going to be sweet. That's funny. I guess I've always pictured swim run as not having a lot of elevation because you're kind of like running from water to water. Certainly the, like Otelow in Sweden is not hilly because they're kind of just low-lying islands you're going over.

But, I mean, you could do a swim run in Canmore or Whistler or lakes. lakes right next to mountains. So as much elevation gain as you want to put in there. Wow. Okay, awesome. Well, we are so excited for you, Eric, and I think you're going to get some people into swim run. Not me, but some people into swim run.

Well, I'm into it. It's a lot of fun. There's a lot of logistics and new things to figure out. So, yeah, I'll do some sort of a race report on that next week. And Jordan Bryan's coming along to make a video about it. Nice. We'll hook everybody up who's interested in Swim Run with some sweet content. Sweet. Love it.

So the group chat with Kyle and Talbot is going off right now. I can't handle this. These guys, like usually this happens while I'm doing a workout. All of a sudden, my phone just explodes with 56 messages, but it's during the podcast this time. Yeah. Is it actually important? No, it's not. It's actually about the podcast. Okay. Kyle wants to listen to our podcast before he gets on a flight to Nice.

He wants like a pre-recorded copy. Yeah, exactly. He released coffee. Okay. Where are we? Is it race time yet? I think it's go time. I think that's all the news.

Thanks for bearing with us. Yeah, Paula, is anything you want to do you want to, what's going on? I feel like, oh, are you stretching? Yeah, I feel like my, I'm not really that needed in this podcast until the question, so I'm just stretching. Well, I think that we last week when we did your race recap, I think we liked the less monologue, more dialogue version of a race recap. So if, you know... If I think of any burning questions, I'll chime in. Any burning questions or burns?

Any burns is fine, too. Yeah, I'm open to burns. Yeah, that's usually my job. I'll just burn you. Okay, great. There's plenty of opportunities, I promise. I already burned your ugly ass hoodie. Yeah. Maybe we should burn this ugly ass hoodie, actually. I agree. No, I don't hate it. I don't hate it. And you know what? I'm proud. But it is, I probably wouldn't wear it to a date, you know?

So for the people who, I think everyone knows this, but I did this same race three years ago and was so certain I was going to finish the race. And I think I went in with as well trained as I could have been. But for a variety of reasons, I just had such a miserable day on the bike and then couldn't really run and had to DNF at mile 19. So I chose to come back to the same venue and try to finish the race this time. And I did feel more prepared this time in every sense of the word. I was more prepared physically. I think I trained better than I did the last time. I did a lot of long rides on the TT bike and ran.

pretty hard and not hard, but ran pretty long off the TT bike and always felt really great. So I felt confident in that. Yeah, I felt like every few days I was getting a text message from you about how good you were feeling and how you overachieved the workout and did more and better and longer and stronger. So it was like pretty obvious to me that the energy and the mindset was in the right spot going into this one. Do you guys remember the day before the race last time how I couldn't even talk to you. I was just, I was like, I was so consumed with anxiety three years ago before the race. Yeah, I think we thought we were just breaking up. Yeah. Yeah, I just couldn't do anything. I was so scared. This, this year was the total opposite. I was, I was so stoked. And I think it came from a

place of the confidence in the training. And the weather was going to be perfect. It was just like, this is going to be the day I want it to be. So I was super stoked. But to back up a bit, I get to I get to Madison and I got to stay with the Bremers, which, by the way, two crazy things happen. First of all, Andrew Bremmer, he won the TTL Strava Art Challenge. Really? Yes. I didn't know that. Yes, yes, yes.

And then I get into their garage and I look over and Eric's T.T. Bike is there. Eric, your T.T. Bike was there. And I'm like, what is Eric? Are you going to murder me? What's going on here? My TT bike from a couple years ago. Yeah. So Andrew bought your TT bike as well.

And then we went to dinner there. He's part of the DC Tri Club. Shout out DC Tri Club. Thanks for the warmth. And I stayed with him and his family and a few of the athletes there. Andrew was also racing. Two of the other guys were also racing. So it was a great vibe.

Did he beat you? Oh, that's a good question. That's a good question. We'll get to that. There's some drama around that. So we did the shakeout run. The T-Tale shake-out run was great. Thanks for everyone who came out to that.

It's funny, like you see everyone before. And then when you see everyone after, you feel like you've gone through after the race, you feel like you've gone through this transformation, all of you. You're like hugging each other like you've been through war. But yeah, so day of the race, I was so excited. I was never like, I don't want to do this. What about the night before? How was your sleep?

Oh, my God, you guys. Oh, Paula. Maybe Paula should not be here. Yeah, I don't think so. I'm just wondering if you had the awful night before of like, why am I even doing this? No, I did not. Okay. No, I did not.

I felt good. Did you sleep? Oh, good. I slept, I think, three and a half hours. That's fine. That's funny. It's fine. But the nights before, I slept a lot.

And I slept really well. And I never had this feeling of I don't want to do this. Hell yeah. So I was really stoked. What's that like? Well, I usually do have the feeling I don't want to do this. but for whatever reason this time I was like, I think part of it is I'm not going to be on the limit for 11 hours.

I should be within myself for most of it. And it's a little scarier in a 70.3 when you're like, it's going to hurt so bad for four and a half hours. Yeah, that's kind of how I felt before like the 100-mile mountain bike race. I was like, man, if something goes wrong, there's so much time to theoretically fix it or, yeah. Exactly, exactly. Nice.

So I felt that. So I felt that. And the morning was cold. It was 46 degrees outside. but the water was 67. So it was no problem. Still a wetsuit, though. Very much wetsuit, yeah.

And I'm glad I had the wetsuit. Some people, I think, may have done it without a wetsuit. I think that was a mistake. Risky. Yeah, I think that was a mistake. And Mike Riley was in the swim shoot. And so I got to shake his hand. Mike Riley used to be the voice, or I guess still is, like the voice of Iron Man.

You are in Iron Man. You are in Iron Man. Exactly. Exactly. So I shook his hand and then started that swim. and it's a two-lap swim. My first lap was within, I think, two seconds on Strava of my first lap in 2022.

What? Yeah, just crazy. What does that mean? I don't know what it means. But my second lap was quite a bit slower. You know, we had that question about nausea a couple weeks ago. Do you remember that? Yeah.

I had some nausea on the swim. And it was okay. Like, I was staying positive. But every time I would kind of like sit up for a second and then burp, and the nausea would reset. And so then I could swim another, like, Like a beer mile. Yeah.

Burping is key. Yeah, like a beer mile, but with the water of Lake Manona. Yeah. So did two laps there. That was the least enjoyable part of the day for me. I just still don't like swimming. I don't think you're alone in that sentiment, so that's all right. Yeah.

But then jumped out of the water, you run up this spiral parking structure thing. So it's called the Helix, and it's actually what's on the metal this year. Yeah. It's super cool. People just line the outside of the helix and they're just cheering for you. So it's such a cool vibe. You get so amped up running up around it. Luckily, T1 is indoors because it was cold out.

And it was cold enough out that I did arm warmers and gloves. And I put a, this is such a good tip. Someone else told me to do it. I took a trash bag and put it underneath my kit. And just like... It was that cold. Yeah. 46 is...

46 is cold when you were. What was that in Celsius? 5, 6, 7. Something like that. Okay, that's cold. So did you take the trash bag out halfway? I did take the trash bag out halfway. Exactly.

And I took the armwormers and gloves off as well. And did you throw it into someone else's spokes? I should have. No, I took many pee breaks again. So while I was peeing one time, I successfully took all the things off as well. So I made the most of the time. Yeah, so put those things on, started biking, and right away it was like, yeah, this is great. And I had flashbacks to 2022 when it was, I couldn't see and it was so cold and it was

windy and we're just surviving. And I was feeling fantastic. The weather was perfect. It was beautiful. And man, that course is freaking gorgeous. It's 2,000 meters of climbing, 6,400 feet of climbing. What doesn't really feel like it, it's always a little up, a little down, just hilly, but through these beautiful cornfields and the countryside outside of Madison is, if you like, that Midwest postcard thing. It's just amazing. I love, love, love, love that course. So when you say you took a lot of pee breaks, like you pulled over and stopped? Yeah, so I can't, I can't. It was a combination of like, I don't want to, I don't know. I know it's normal, but for me it's not normal to pee yourself, okay? And also, I don't think my body really physically

can do it. So I did stop and I added it up. And over the course of the entire race, I had this is crazy, but about eight minutes of pee time. What? Yeah. Yeah, we got to work on this. I know, I know, I know. I'm the master of, you just got to pull over and immediately hit it and you get back on. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I stopped three or four times on the bike. That's insane. So you were hydrated. I think you're too hydrated. I think so. I was actually talking to Brad Williams about this and we're going to, I'm going to talk to one of the precision people. But, um.

As you were slamming Morton. I was slamming Morton. But I took precision sodium tablets. Oh, okay. Yeah. How about caffeine? No caffeine, yeah. I part of...

All day. All day, no caffeine, yeah. That's insane. Because I think part of what made me feel so miserable last time was the caffeine come down, especially for someone who doesn't ever, I don't drink caffeine in my day life. You can never come down. You just have to keep going. Yeah.

Just dig the whole deeper. Yeah, I thought about it. The reason I asked, because like, sometimes that'll happen. me if I'm like pretty hydrated and then randomly I have a little bit more coffee than usual, I'll just pee like, okay, today's the day for peeing. But anyway, right, right, sounds like that's not your case. No, no. But what's weird is this has never happened in another race other than 2022 this same race.

Oh, wild. So I never have to pee during your race. So I'm in the water. I think I'm just like so overly cautious about being hydrated that maybe I do overdo it because even after the race when I peed, it was still clear. That's insane. Yeah. So probably maybe a bit too much.

Anyway, I took the first lap of the bike, pretty conservative, but still felt like I was pushing hard enough. And then I don't know exactly why, but I think it started because I was going through an aid station. I refilled my water bottle, my reservoir on the bike with one of the plastic pull and spring ones. And then I saw trash, and it was like 30 feet away. And I was riding about 20 miles an hour. And I just loved this freaking Steph Curry three-pointer from half court. And it just perfectly entered the garbage. And I was like, oh, my God, today's my day.

And from that moment on, I turned around the guy behind me. I'm like, do you just see that? He's like, bro, I don't care. Just keep riding. Oh, come on, dude. You care. I was like, how did someone clap for me? It was unbelievable.

Anyway. So then I just thought, thought, I want to have fun today. It's, it's, I want, I want this to be a great experience. And if I pay for this on the run, whatever, I want to ride hard. So I ramped it up for the second lap. And I rode the second lap, I think, five or ten minutes faster than the first lap. So it's a 40 mile lap. And hot down, it's 20 watts higher. So I did, my second lap, I did 254 watts normalized, which is something that in training for me would feel kind of challenging. But I think I was just so fresh. stoked and I had Morton up to the eyeballs.

So that is definitely not conservative. Not conservative, no. So did you just go immediately from conservative to not conservative and skipped right over ideal? No, I think. Or is this ideal? I'm not being honest. I was ideal in the first lap.

I wasn't conservative in the first lap. Yeah. I think I was riding what I was excited to ride. And then the second lap, I just felt so good. And I think it was from the insane amount of nutrition I was taking that I just went for it. Full send. Felt great the entire ride. The rest of the ride, I was, it was like euphoric.

I've never felt like that on a longer race or in a long ride. It's just so stoked to be out there, so stoked to be doing it. I did not want it to end when I got to the end of the bike. Keep riding forever, which. That's insane. Yeah, I don't know how or where that came from. Maybe you need to find a longer race today, dude. I don't think so.

Ultraman, 27. Yeah, Jordan, watch out. So, finish the bike feeling so excited. and so stoked. And of course, I remembered how absolutely miserable I felt three years ago finishing the bike and how I was certain I was done that I wasn't even going to start the run. So I'm just smiling from ear to ear. We got it. We got it. You were excited. Yeah. I was excited. Yeah. Can you tell? It went great. How did it work for the run? How did that play out? Oh, no. Oh, no. The foreshadowing. Well, I started running and for the first four or five

miles felt so good. I was running, I had this very lofty goal of running a 330 marathon, and I was on pace to be kind of below that. I was running 745 per mile, and I thought, okay, I'll keep it easy, because it felt so easy at that point. I'll keep it at 745 per mile. What shoes did you wear? I saved the shoes from 2022 that I raced in and put them away because I wanted to race them again for the same race. So I used those. These are the ones that contributed to your knee. Well, the issue is that the ones that contributed to my knee were the ones I changed into. I don't know if you remember.

I swatched shoes halfway through. So the original ones actually feel great. And I had been doing my brick runs I've been doing in these. So I knew they were good. And in fact, they were perfect. And they are brand and model. Sockony Endorphin Pro 3. All right.

Yeah. There we go. I mean, can you tell he's a musician who, like, writes songs and shit? Why? Because you're like, everything about this had to be poetic.

Oh, yeah, of course. Oh, there's more. Like, I saved the Wisconsin, like, coin from last time,

and I brought that. Yeah, there's more stuff I'm not even telling about. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, I'm a man of, of romance.

But I do feel like shoe technology is advanced in the last three years. Yeah, It has. It has. I'm sure it would have been better with the new shoes. With the on clouds. Yeah. But I was really happy to race in these when I looked down. I was like, you guys have been with me through that tough day and now you're with me again. You can't quantify that boost.

That is poetic. All right. Anyway, so. So hold on one second. 745 per mile. What is that for a marathon? Oh boy. Like maybe 320 something. Okay. I was just curious how far under pace of your lofty goal. Eight minute miles is exactly.

3.30. Okay, so you're nuking it. I mean, it felt it couldn't have felt easy. I was like, I can't run slower. Running slower is not going to preserve anything, you know? That's what they all say? Yes, exactly. Exactly. So then I was running oh, this is another fun story.

So I ran up to this girl, Kirsten, who was running well, and I came up to her and I was like, oh, great pace, Kirsten. And she looks at me and she goes, oh my God, I was your 10,000 follower. So she was in, I think, she was, I think, trying to catch the top three girls.

And we chatted for a bit. Overall? I think so, yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. And I said to her, I was like, I think I'm starting to feel it. And she goes, yeah, it's settling in. And then both of us kind of, it started to get hard.

I tried to maintain the same pace, and I mostly did. But the effort just went higher and higher and higher until about mile 10. And then the wheels started to come off. and I did start to get this IT band pain, but not in the leg that was injured, in my opposite leg, which I thought was good. I was just like, okay, I know how to handle this.

I know I can get through this. So I would take these little walk breaks, like 10 second walk breaks every, I mean, I was walking the aid stations, but even in addition to that, and it would start to, it would feel okay, and then I could continue to run. So I'm curious.

At the point, of where this pace that was formerly easy started to become increasingly more difficult, that it crossed your mind to just keep your effort the same versus keeping the pace the same until explosion? It did cross my mind. Yeah, it did cross my mind. I didn't do it.

I didn't do that. I didn't quite explode. No, I did. I did explode. Yeah. I just wanted to, I kind of wanted to suffer that day, I guess. I wanted it to be hard.

I wanted to get every last drop out of myself. And I did have this in feeling that I was going to finish the race. At no point during the day did I think I was not going to finish the race. So I just thought, no, it's going to be hard, but you're going to do it. All right. Slow down a lot, a lot, a lot, until where like 9.30 pace felt hard. And that is, I mean, I've never run that pace in training ever. So it's crazy how it can all add up at a certain point.

And then I realized that a sub four-hour marathon and a sub-11 overall finish time was possible if I sped up a little bit. And that is when the 9-30 miles, it felt hard, but I just, I went hard. I've never breathed so hard going nine-minute mile pace, but that's just what happens to your body, I guess. So it was aerobically hard.

It wasn't just like your muscles. It also was aerobically hard, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. And what's interesting is my legs weren't sore the next days after the race. So it wasn't a muscular thing. thing. It was really like a fitness thing. I did not have the fitness to run that marathon the way I

wanted to. There's no way around it. Yeah. So then I turned it up and damn, there were so many freaking amazing people cheering on course. That race is so epic. And obviously I have a unique experience because of the podcast. And damn, I had the feeling so many times the podcast has changed my life in such a big way. But I wish everyone that cheered, I wish, God, I wish we could give that feeling to other people of how, and maybe Team TTR will be part of that of like, how can you make someone feel so energized and loved. That's the goal. Yeah. That's the goal. Did all the bibs have first names on them? Yeah. Yeah, I like when they do that because then you can cheer for someone saying their first name. And even though you know that the name's on your bib,

You still feel like they're cheering for you. Absolutely. Totally agree. It's like a much more personal touch. So I love that they do that. Yeah. Totally agree. Me too. And so then I, yeah, as I was getting to the finish, I passed Mile 19 where I DNF last time.

And I got choked up. I was just like, oh, my God. Because I knew it was going to happen. I was going to make it. And that was just a goal of the sub four-hour marathon and the sub-11 overall. And I ran up through the Capitol building, ran through the shoot. Got out sprinted by some guy who ruined your picture. No, don't worry.

He got Photoshopped out of the picture. But, yeah, actually, he did not outsprint me. I did cross the line first. I just don't get that. Like, don't you want your own finisher pick to be all clean and beautiful? If there was a guy in front of me, I would have slowed down for sure. It's just like a full-on, like, he was a knee-jerk, like a reflex of like, oh, I've watched a whole bunch of videos and people sprinting across the finish line. Right.

Lizard Brain Engage. Yeah, totally. No, I'm happy for him. I forget his name. I think it was like Hunter. or something. Oh, you talked to him? I didn't talk to him.

No, he was running to the bathroom. He just kept running. I kept running. That's so funny you say that because I listened to the Forrest Gump soundtrack the whole weekend. No way. But crossed the line, teared up, got caught by two volunteers wearing TTR hats and their volunteer shirt. No. Of course.

Yeah, of course. That was not an accident. They were like dibs on catching Nick when he's falling over. And actually they, one of them is in the photo in my Instagram photo. If you can see the back of the TTL trail hat. That's awesome. Sorry, during this, the guy I was staying with Andrew who has Eric's bike. He out swam me by about three minutes.

And then I caught him on the second lap of the bike and put some time into him on the bike. And then he ran a faster marathon than me. But he had a goal of also finishing sub-11 and he got it by about 17 seconds. And so I was just ahead of him by a little bit. But yeah, he had a great day too. He had a huge PR 30 minutes off of his last time doing it. It was his third time doing this race. He grew up in Madison, of course.

Must be the bike. It seems like you guys would be super compatible training. Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely. So to be honest, when I finished after the initial moment, I didn't have this feeling of, wow, I did this. What an accomplishment. In fact, I feel bad now. I went up to people who were talking to me, and I would just say, don't do it.

Don't do it. That's the first thing you texted us. You're like, I'm never doing that again. You guys shouldn't do it. Stay away. That was awful. Yeah. And then what did it take?

48 hours? No, I woke up the next morning. Texted us. Guys, I got to do it again. Yeah. What the? Who are you? The first thing you texted us.

The first thing you texted us, guys, don't do it. Don't listen to what people say. It's a trick. And to which we were like, yeah. And then you said, holy shit, they're playing my version of Save Tonight at the finish line. Oh, my God. That's the other thing. So I after.

Yeah, the emotions. The emotions took over. And then you said, people are just starting their second lap. Which we were like, that's terrible. That's terrible. Good for them, but ouch. Yeah. Yeah.

And then we talked about when we were going to record the podcast. So that's all we talked about. Well, we FaceTimed. We FaceTimed. I'm doing it again. No, that was funny. So I walked around the Capitol. And then it sank in.

It did sink in. little bit. That was a couple hours after I finished and it started to feel really good. And then I sat at the on the bleachers just watching random people finish by myself and I noticed that they're playing a cover of a song that I sang on from like 10 years ago. It's kind of like a club banger. But I'm like, what is going on here? What weird serendipity fate destiny stuff is happening here? So that was that was really cool. And then we got to watch some of the midnight finishers come across the line. So if you finish at midnight, you'd are under the cutoff.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. You are. Yeah. It's a long day for some people. I mean, it's a long day for everyone. It's a long day for everyone.

Yeah. But some fun little stats, my calories overall burn for the day. Do you want to guess? Like 10,000, 800. 10,434. So much. You know, who knows how accurate that is, but that's what my watch told me. That's a little less than a thousand an hour, right?

Yeah. I guess that's right. Yeah, it makes sense. Isn't that how much Lionel? He needs to eat in a day? Oh, is that right? 10,000? Oh, my God.

No. There's something high, though. That can't be that. That can't be that high. But I think it's also interesting to say that this was the first race with the new qualification system. Like the boosted times and all this stuff. So for people who are trying to qualify for Kona from now on, in Madison, every single age group took their guaranteed slot. So none of those slots went into the general pool.

So just one. age group, the winner. The winner or second or third if it rolls down, but it won't roll, it doesn't roll down further. Right. And then the, you know, I think people had talked about how this is going to benefit older age groups. In the 30 to 34 category, the seventh place guy was one of the people that got the slots.

There were no women in the top 10. The first woman was 11th. And it was just a very, very fast race for the younger guys. Like a lot of really fast young guys showed up. And so that was reflected in the overall. And then the last crazy thing, I raced Long Beach Olympic Tri a few weeks ago, if you guys remember. And the guy who won my age group, I talked to him and he also did this race. He was the last person to get the spot, the slot, and he got it by one second over the course of an Iron Man.

So he was the seventh guy in the age group? He was, and he got it? No, because he was in 35 to 39. Oh. I forgot what it was, but he was maybe like 18th overall or something like that and got it by one single second. So maybe you do need to sprint across the line. Yeah, exactly. Shit, exactly.

I'll start your kick a little earlier. I'll take that back. Can you believe that? You sprint across the line. Well, if you're trying to qualify for a world, sure. So just based on having been there and everything, how do you feel about this new system? What was the vibe about the new system?

Well, I'm curious what people are going to think about there being no women in the top 10, but I think that might just be, I hope it's just a weird coincidence of who showed up on the day, you know, really, really fast guys. But I love it. I really love it.

I think, because imagine being the guy who got seventh and 30 to 34 and you had an amazing day, but there's just six people in front of you who also are super fast about amazing days. Well, now you have no chance of really getting that slot.

Right. So did all six people, he would like, all top seven in that age group got... Yeah. I think nobody said no to the general pool slots. Everyone took their Kona slot.

Wow. Okay. Yeah. I personally like it. I hope I don't get in trouble for this, but I think it's really cool. And I think it's also cool that they just published

the whole list of your new time with the boost you get. So if you're a 60-year-old woman, you get to really see how you placed against the rest of the field, you know, with this multiplier. It's kind of cool. Yeah. I don't know it completely in and out, but it seems like a good concept, assuming the math is like actually dialed in and everything, right? And that's the big if.

Yeah. Nice. Well, that's it, everyone. Three years in the making. We did it. I feel amazing after it. It's like nothing that felt. do you have like a fantasy of what your next Iron Man's going to be? No, but I do want to do another one because I want to be able to run well off the bike. Do you feel like you should do Madison again? No. No.

No, I did it. I feel cleansed of that. And I loved it. I love Madison. It's great. But nothing but the best feelings about that race and I don't want to touch it in my memory. All right. Well, we can't wait to hear what race you pick next.

Okay. Does this make either of you want to do it now? I mean, I think I'll say what I've always said. I'm not opposed to like doing something that long or whatever, but it would be very course specific. Like I would want to go do this specific race versus just like. Yeah, yeah, right, right, right. Yeah, I get that.

My thought, Nick, is that you are actually much more suited to 70.3s. For sure. And I think you should, instead of trying to go and like, freaking break four hours in another Iron Man, you should try to do a really fast half. Because you felt great on the bike. You felt great for 10K. Like, I think you could qualify,

well, you already have 70.3 worlds for your age group. But I just think you have untapped potential in the half distance. That's my personal opinion. I think you're right. And if I were going after just like performance, I think I would do that. Or even like, I think I'm better at the shorter, shorter stuff. Like a sprint, but, you know,

there's just not a lot of competition in that. But I'm excited about the, challenge of the full. The heart wants what the heart wants. That's right. Okay. So, believe it or not, we still have questions to do today. So you can submit questions to the podcast at that triathlonlife.com slash podcast.

And if you enjoyed this race recap and you want to give back, you can also become a podcast supporter for the cost of two gels a month or maybe one and a half gels. One Martin gel. Yeah, exactly. And we would really appreciate that. There were a lot of podcast supporters that gave me a hug this weekend. Love all of you so much. Thank you.

Before we get into questions, but wait, there's more. We do have a special thing for our podcast supporters. Oh, so we have a, see, the gifts keep on coming. Yep, yep. You are doing the, you know, mentioning the podcast supporter program and where you can submit questions and everything made me realize and remember that we are doing, I think, the highest vap, potentially the highest value giveaway we ever done.

Oh, right. Wow. Minus the headphones. I don't know. It kind of depends when you add it all up. But Tailwind just launched a new limited edition, kind of closing out summer flavor of their endurance fuel, strawberry lemonade. Y'all know how we feel about strawberry lemonade here at TTL.

And to celebrate, they have put together three packages for Lucky Podcast supporters, and that'll come with some endurance fuel. It'll come with some high carb fuel. It'll come with some recovery mix. just like honestly a really kick-ass blend of all the things they make. Nice. I met a lot of people who use the high-carb mix to race with. Andrew, for example, used it and loves it. And several people told me they love it. I think honestly, like, I'm just mentioning the fact that it exists. That's what's important this

week. We're going to do this drawing next week. The limited edition flavor just came out this week. So if you want that, I would recommend going to get some of that before it's all sold out. But next week, we'll do this kick-ass drawing. So if this little package sounds amazing to you, Now is your chance to get in on being a podcast supporter before we do this drawing. That's right. I think we should pick one today, like secretly just amongst us, to like, you know, kind of reward the people that have been on the train. Oh, yeah.

We'll do that. And then maybe some more people will sign up this week and we'll include them in the pool for the additional two. There we go. Okay. First question here. Keeping it light. Snacks.

Love the pod. What are some of your go-to snacks? Thanks for awesome content. Jackson knows how to get his question. on the podcast. What do we have for snacks? We like having. Well, exercising or?

No, I'd say during the day, yeah. Crackers and, this is things we always have. Crackers and hummus, carrots and hummus, pita bread and hummus. Swedish fish. Scandinavian swimmers. Trader Joe's brand. Apples, bananas.

Toast. Trader Joe's chocolate, peanut butter cups. We have both dark chocolate and milk chocolate varieties right now. Are you intentionally leaving out Tony Chocoloni or? Is that a snack? That's like a bric. I kind of reserve that for after dinner because if I start doing it midday. That's a problem.

It's a downward spiral for the rest of the day. I try to snack pretty healthy. But a lot of my snacks are just like, oh, we have leftover pasta. I'm going to have a cup of it. Like I fill up a coffee mug with it and heat it up. so it's just a small amount. I think my current top favorite snack that Paula's been doing lately

is like we get, it's like Italian bread that we have to cut ourselves and then you cook an egg in the microwave for 30 seconds and then a piece of provolone cheese. Specifically the provolone cheese with the egg is just like this magical color.

Oh wow. Flavor. Do you put it in like a ramekin? Yeah. For 30 seconds, boom, pops out just like a McDonald's egg disc nugget. I'm sure it's better. Yeah, cool.

Cool. My main snack is like, I do almost every day is a Greek yogurt and granola. This is not the cardboard breakfast. No, this is, this tastes good. This tastes good. Something that I also got from Costco the other day, just because I was kind of curious. And you can obviously make overnight oats yourself very easily. But there's these little cups called mush.

And it's like a yogurt sized container of overnight oats. It's 200 calories. It's super tasty. Yeah. Yeah, the opposite of your overnight breakfast oats, cardboard, Nick. So I've been this week only, because it's new to me, I've been having those as a snack, which are super good. If anyone from Mush listens to this podcast and wants to sponsor the podcast or us. Wouldn't hate a lifetime supply.

Yeah, because I think Ellie was getting sponsored by them when she was staying with us because she kept getting shipments of this Mush. That's how we discovered it, right? Yeah. So I am open to getting free Mush. Much us. Wow, so generous. Yeah, that sounds fun. No, overnight notes are great. Since I probably just sold at least 25 packages of it.

This shout out free. Next one is going to cost you. Yeah, much. Slide in. Okay, cool. Next question here is from Heather, who's Canadian, from Regina. Regina. Is it really Regina? You said Regina? Dude, it is. Oh, I remember. We've talked about this before.

Yeah. I can't believe you didn't know that. I think I did in the back of my head. I see that and it's hard to read it, Regina. With a straight face. Are you 12? I knew a Regina who broke my heart, okay? That's why.

Okay. Am I 12? Yes, of course. You're just figuring this out. Okay. From Regina, this is Hether. Congrats Paula on a great race in France. I have a jet lag question for everyone.

Guys, keep it together. This is a family podcast. we add it together until he said either. Heather, from Regina. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure. I recently returned from a family vacation to Norway and I've really struggled with training since being home. I found that we adopted to time zones way faster than in the past,

only waking 30 minutes before normal alarm times right from day one. We were gone 15 days and while not training, I did get a couple runs in and we walked 20 plus kilometers a day. Oh. Yeah. Since being home, I took a couple days to get the house in order and approached Monday morning as back to normal routine. Never felt so awful training.

I looked at my watch data to confirm the feeling terrible and my body battery was starting at 60 instead of my normal range of 90 to 100. I think this is just like a Garmin watch thing. Is this normal coming back to Europe even though my sleep is basically normal? I continued on all week as normal until I just couldn't complete Friday scheduled run as I felt like I was going to faint if I kept going. How do you approach training after big travel? Would you have blocked off workouts earlier in the week until your body battery numbers improved?

Thanks for your insights. Heather from Regina. Yeah, I don't have a body battery monitor, but I actually felt pretty similar at this time coming back from Europe. I felt like all week when I was running, I was super lightheaded and any time I stopped, I felt like I was going to faint. So I had the exact same feeling. And it's never really happened to me before. But I do think that when you travel for two days plus coming back from Europe and you're dehydrated and you're sitting on your butt most likely unless you got upgraded, in which case you have no excuse, it really takes a huge toll on your body. And I think that being gentle and light with yourself for the entire week is necessary.

So don't treat it like, okay, my house is in order. unpacked Monday morning back to normal. You have to have some flexibility to listen to your body and how it's feeling. And I definitely didn't return to normal training right away. Like I wanted to in my brain, but my coach is prescribed pretty easy training all week. And although I was like, oh, I wish I could train harder. I really want to train harder. My body didn't want to. So I was like grateful for it. So yeah, don't set like a deadline where you have to be better by this time. You will feel better and you'll start to sleep more.

But I think it's normal. Yeah. I think you open yourself up to some complications, injury, just sickness and stuff if you push it, which in the long term, that's not beneficial. So patience. Yeah. Fun little fact, Garmin has this body battery thing.

It also has a stamina thing while you race. And my stamina hit zero right when I felt like zero, like 10 miles into the run, Kind of funny how it, I don't know how accurate it is, but when I looked at the data later, it did show them. Oh, so you didn't see this in real life. I didn't see it in real time. Okay. You can.

I, of course, do not want to see that in real time. Okay, good. Yeah, that's funny how it's so, I mean, if you're wearing it all the time and it's tracking your sleep and it's tracking your heart rate. It just knows, I guess, you know? Yeah, same with for this jet leg thing. Oh. Yeah. Cool.

Okay. Thanks for Jina. No, sorry. Thanks, Heather. Next one is from James. Hey, whenever I wear a full-sleeved or half-sleeved wetsuit, I always feel constricted in the shoulders, and I feel it ends up hurting my swim.

I'm at the largest size I can get, six-foot-four and broad-ass shoulders. Can I get away with just lava shorts in a wetsuit legal swim? So like the floaty shorts. I'm an ex-college swimmer, so I don't really need all the buoyancy, James. Yeah, I like this question

because I actually am surprised that more people don't do this. because the sim shorts are obviously cheaper, much more comfortable to swim with for people that are swimmers, and I think they're extremely fast. Obviously not as fast as a full wetsuit, but if you're having shoulder problems, I mean, it's a perfect solution,

and my only concern reading this was like, sometimes you actually do need the wetsuit for warmth in a cold swim. If you're doing Oceanside with sim shorts, you're freezing. You're going to die. So that's what you have to weigh against, is like how much cold tolerance do I have. But in terms of like a speed thing or an overall swimming comfort,

I think it's an awesome solution. And I'm surprised that it's not more popular amongst people. It's perfectly legal. Here's another potential thing you could add to that. While I was doing like swim run training and everything, my orca swim run suit comes with like neoprene arm warmers. Oh. And so like when I tested shoes the first time I did it without the armormers

because I thought it was a little bit, you know, whatever. And then as I'm standing there, getting the next shoes on, my arms are becoming super freezing cold. So I put the armwormers on and it was like, boom. Like, what a difference in body temperature? So you could think about that. You could do like these neoprene arm warmers plus the floaty shorts if, you know, for a little bit extra warm. Of course, I think another reason people wear a wetsuit is because often tricits have pockets on the back. Oh, yeah.

Hydro dynamics. If you're swimming with a tricid on the top that has pockets and sim shorts on the bottom, it's just slower because you're, creating drag with the pockets and a wetsuit or a swimskin ultimately acts to streamline that whole upper part. But I suppose you could roll down your trisuit so that you're having like a bare chest like you would in swimming. Stuff inside of the floaty shorts. Yeah. And then as you're running to transition because you're not undoing a wet suit, you just pull your tri kit on. This is a fun idea. I kind of want to try this. I just have such a hard time when the tric gets wet getting it on. Yeah, that's hard. But you're like weighing the pros and cons.

Yeah, yeah. It's not the perfect solution, but for comfort, it is a really good option. And I would never recommend a pro to do this who's trying to, like, be at the pointy end of the race. Because ultimately, a wetsuit is, like, just faster. Yeah, no matter how it feels. For an ex-collegiate swimmer is just kind of starting out. I think it's a great idea. I'm also curious what wet suit you've tried, because there are suits from each brand that have, like, ace very thin shoulders.

I think the ORC has like the Apex Flex, and each brand generally has something like that. It would be sweet if you could demo some, but I know that's not every tri-shop has that option. Yeah, I think that coming from a swimming background, when I first started triathlon, wetsuit technology was garbage, and it was so uncomfortable to swim with a wetsuit because of the shoulder restriction. But fast forward 20 years, it's amazing how good the wetsuits are now if you get the right one with the right fit. how flexible the shoulders are. And I think that even as a really fast experienced swimmer, there is a wetsuit out there that would be comfortable in the shoulders for you.

Yeah. But it does take trial and air, which is really tough with wetsuits because you can't just try one on, you know. Yeah. So I don't know. That's my thoughts. Cool. Okay. Next question is from Sean.

I'm racing 70.3 tri-cities in two weeks. and just took a good size puncture on my latest long ride. I swapped over to Schwalby Pro 1s within the last month and set everything up for tubeless, first time on my tri-bike. I heard the air escaping as I rode along Marine Drive here in Portland, pulled over to a glorious mess of sealants, sputtering onto the pavement.

This guy's a writer. It sealed enough for me to get pressure back into the tire and continue to ride for another two hours. The pressure was clearly lower than the 60 PSI had initially inflated it to, but every time I tried to get higher pressure in the tire, it would start leaking. I settled for lower PSI and finished the ride out. My question is, if the tire is still good to race on, the idea of eating another $90 to replace the practically brand new tire sucks,

but I'm new to the tubeless game on a road bike, and I don't want it to be an issue during my race. Thanks for your thoughts. Sean. What do you think, Eric? It depends on your risk tolerance and how much you value the race. I think what I would do is I would put a plug in it, buy a new race tire, but just train on this thing until it completely bites the dust. Don't throw it in the garbage.

That's what I would do. So that's a really interesting idea, Eric. I thought obviously get a new tire, but you can kind of have the best of both worlds. Save this tire. Don't race on it. Buy a new tire. Race on the new tire. Then put this old one back on with a plug in it and just use it for training.

Yeah, right it to death in training. That's a great idea. I feel like I should have done that in the past myself. It's not an idea. That's what I've done. So it's proven. Nice. Nice.

Well, there you go, Sean. You're going to spend the $90 one day. Yeah, exactly. You know? Don't, you would never, why would you ever race on a tire that's compromised in any way? Yeah. How did that even cross? I mean, you're spending so much money on this entry fee, et cetera.

Yeah. Well, I like here that you're not even really losing that money if you do Eric's technique here. Yeah, because you get to keep using the tire after this. Yeah, like Paula has race-specific tires. I have race-specific tires. We either just keep them on wheels or I'll like literally swap out tires. And like I swapped out a tire on Paula's bike for Nice because there was like a little scuffing on the side. Yeah, I remember that.

Yeah. Like that's the level that of analeness that we're at with tires for racing. Yeah. I like nickel and diming stuff for a triathlon that you've trained for for eight months that costed you $800 to enter. You can always imagine being on the side of the road stranded. in this race and use that to make your decision. Yeah, totally, totally. Okay, and last question here is from Scott.

If you were an age grouper who just hit the lottery and wanted to pick a different major A race each year while spending three months living and training in that local city or community, what races would you choose? First of all, this is such a dream scenario. I'm imagining renting a flat in a new city somewhere in the world. A flat? Like an apartment.

Yeah, I know, just this person. He's from North Carolina, so I'm just wondering, is flat a word that's used outside of, like, British English? Do you guys say in Canada, for example? No, I think it's very British. Okay, yeah. Anyway, imagining renting a flat in a new city somewhere in the world, soaking up the culture, training like the local, and then racing the big, long course event there. What places have both an amazing race and a culture you'd love to immerse yourself in. Thanks for all the incredible content you put out each week.

I look forward to the chance to join Team TTL soon. Heck yeah. Cheers, Scott. So it has to be a full, Iron Man? It wasn't clear, but it sounds like a big long course event there. Hmm. Okay. Oh, that's tricky.

We're not really specialist in the full circuit. I mean, if you qualify for Kona, that could be a cool place to live. No, I don't think, I honestly don't think Kona would be cool for three months for training. I think it would be so boring. I would say like maximum one month, even taking into consideration all the cool places that you and I filmed with Foreign Rider. Yeah, you're right. Probably maximum a few weeks. I would say, personally, places that I would spend three months and then do the race.

And I'm just going to include 70.3s because I don't know all the foals, but Zell-MZ looks extremely cool. Anywhere that's in like the Alps kind of deal. Yeah. Or that has super mountainous, cool roads, cute towns. I would pick that. Yeah. I've actually been to Zell MZ and can confirm that would be. awesome. I think Victoria, Spain, would be really cool. They have a full Iron Man. And I know the

training is good there. What about 70.3, Victoria. Yeah, love Victoria. I think that'd be a fun three-month place to live. Montrein blanc, I would pick that. Oh, yeah, for sure. Wow, Mount Tramblant would be great. Yeah. Honestly, I would pick like even Oceanside. that kind of depends on your tolerance for traffic while riding yeah but fun vibes there yeah very fun place to hang out I'm just trying to think of a U.S. race

like that's probably one of the only U.S. races I want to I mean Boulder if you've never been there what about Santa Cruz oh yeah that's a cool one too yeah no I would put Santa Cruz above Oceanside in terms of like logistics and like soft running and actually really good riding yeah

Yeah, the rides that we've done there outside of the race are great. Wait, is 70.3 Mallorca a thing? Am I making that up? I think they have a race. Yeah, there's some. Yeah, I got something there.

Yeah, that could be amazing. I think the slam dunk is picking somewhere kind of like where we just were in France where you can swim in the ocean and it's a good temperature and it's safe. That's really a win because then you're not trying to juggle with pool schedules and pool commuting

and, of course, you have to do some pool swims. but if you have the option to easily swim in the sea, it really takes off a mental load of stress, for me anyway, when we were in France and I'm like, oh, I have a 3K easy swim, I don't really want to go to the pool, is it even open, just do it in the ocean. Yeah, totally agree. That's the dream.

It's kind of like living the pro life a little bit by doing this. A little bit, yeah. Except without the pressure. Well, yeah, we could definitely go train somewhere for three months. but I personally like being at home. If there was a bend to 70.3, I'd say here. I feel like that could happen, no? I guess with Salem, it couldn't happen.

Well, you could do Salem and train here. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that actually sounds pretty ideal. Wouldn't you say it's a great place for a pro triathlet to live? Or sorry, not a pro triathlet, but just like this exact thing. Yeah, it comes, I mean, if Monty's no object, then yeah. The Airbnb's can be a little spendy here, but yeah.

Yeah, you also get a tiny little altitude boost because we're at like 3,600 feet. Yeah. Yeah, that would be sweet. I don't think, I don't know if we'll ever have a 70.3 here because we have this thing called, what's it called? Pole pedal pedal. We have an independent half iron man triathlon. I just met a guy who did it. Pacific Crest.

Yeah. And so I don't know if that kind of like takes up space for a triathlon thingy in town or, you know, politics around that. but I also think it would be pretty sweet Iron Man here. That's a downriver swim too, like super fast downriver swim. The swim is irrelevant. You should do it, Nick. Yeah, perfect for me. I'd love to do it.

That would be so fun. It actually has a little bit of prize money each year, so it is technically a pro race. Wow. And you guys have never thought to do it. I've thought to do it a lot. I've thought to do it since I was 12 years old. Yeah. Just never have for whatever reason.

We should do it next year. That will be fun. All right. We'll do it next year. year. Nick should, Nick, you should come to Marbea with us. I'm down. I told you I'm down. Okay, cool. Yeah. Oh, I didn't hear that. Yeah. You said last week, you said, well, it wasn't on the podcast. It was after. You're like, would you want to come to Marbeah? I'm like, yeah, but we'd love to. Okay. I can be your masseuse. Send us your preferred fight path.

Be your masseuse. Bring those anamorphic lenses. Oh, fancy. Yeah, thanks for listening, everyone. I have just like a great feeling of overall energy around to everything right now. You had your good race. Same. Same. We announced team TTO. Like, I'm working on some really freaking cool products that are coming out with TTR in the next few weeks. Paul had a good race.

Flynn's actually doing really well. Glenn is having a miraculous miraculous recovery. So his surgery was a week ago today and he's already using his leg better than before the surgery. Oh, that's great. That's great. Which is unprecedented. That's great. It's really crazy.

Like, I thought we'd be tying him down to not move at all, but he's kind of like walking around the house gently and going out to pee. And the one mistake we made, if anyone's going through this, is overnight, I don't want him to wear the cone because I feel bad. So we left the cone off at night. I'm like, oh, I'll hear him licking the stitches if he licks. But of course, I'm stupid because when you're sleeping, you don't hear a dog licking. So he licked out one of his stitches. Not ideal. Yeah. But not devastating. But it still looks so And I just bought this sleeve that goes over his whole leg so he can't look anymore. So anyway, that's the Flynn update.

But it's so funny because a lot of people, I assume people listen to the podcast, like everyone that knows us and everyone that follows me on Instagram. So I'm posting these pictures of Flynn and this huge cast and hundreds of people are like, what happened. Right, right. You're like, come on. So there's so many people that are on Instagram who don't listen to the podcast. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Okay, and finally, before we leave today, Nick just wants to really clarify that he has nothing but positive feelings about his Iron Man triathlon.

To be clear, it was a crazy whatever moment when I finished, but the next day and the next following days, I have never felt so good in my body and in my mind, or certainly not in the last year and a half. I feel so it's an amazing experience. and in the same way that I was telling people don't do it. Now I'm telling people, you have to do it. You should do it. This is a drug. It's a drug. It feels incredible.

Yeah. So happy. Okay, that's all. All right. See you guys. Later. Bye.