That Triathlon Life Podcast - Paula signs with On, Triathlon bike fits, switching to Wahoo, shin splints, and more!

Episode Date: January 26, 2023

This week we start by discussing Paula's new shoe sponsor, On! We then play some This or That, and get into your questions. We touch on the Norwegian method, run speed cadence, and much more. To submit your questions, support the podcast, check out some gear, and more, head over to http://www.thattriathlonlife.com

Hey everybody. Welcome to that triathlon life podcast. I'm Eric Loggestrom. I'm Paul Finley. I'm Nick Goldston. And this is our podcast where we primarily take questions from everybody who's listening. Like I said before, all 12 of you. I think we're up to 13 people now. Yeah, 13. And Paul and I are, we're not scientists. We're experts just through being 10 years of professional triathletes. And Nick is our good friend, professional musician, amateur triathlete. And we just chat, Rathal on things. Eric, I actually got news for you. We've been pros for more than 10 years.

We were like 33. We've been pros for 15 years maybe. Or maybe more than that. Really? I thought we were like right at 10 and 11. We've been doing this sport since, oh my gosh. 10 years old. Yeah, it's really hard to like say when you turn pro.

Like turning pro, I feel is a very like American term. In Canada, we never talked about turning pro. It's just like, I want to go to the Olympics. And you do that. But you're not when you're professional, I guess when you start making money in the sport. Yeah, well, I mean, we've talked about that before. There is a place in time when you get your professional license

to actually race a professional race in the U.S. But then, yeah, most people, it's two or three years before you're profitable as a professional athlete, and that's your primary source of income. But if we're talking about what people consider a professional, I do think it's getting your pro card. Elite card holder.

At least in my group of people, that I feel like that's what we consider pro. You got your pro card. Even if you're at the back of the race every time you're a professional. Well, even when I went to the Olympics in 2012, I wouldn't have called myself a professional triathlete. I would have said, I'm a triathlete,

and I'm going to school for sciences. Actually, something that's very interesting is when I had my very first triathlon coach asked me, like in the second or third year that we were working together, he said, do you want to be a professional triathlete, or do you want to go to the Olympics? Because in his mind, it was two totally different pathways.

I agree. It was like you go to Kona and you become a tradesman and you are your own business or you chase the Olympic dream and the Federation takes care of you and you're kind of on that pathway. Yeah. Well, that's an interesting idea because there's definitely sports out there that are Olympic sports, that there's only like a handful of people in each sport that can make a living off of it, right? And there's a bunch of people who go to the Olympics. I don't know, like archery or something that's like it's a very competitive sport,

but there's just not that much money in it. And archery might not be a great example, but I'm sure there's one. ones out there like lose. I think wrestling, even swimming, there's not that many people who can fully make a living from it. Right. Yeah, unless you're at the top of the top. It's just funny to go to the Olympics and not be considered a professional. It's like, okay, you're one of the best in the world at this thing. It's just a weird difference in what we qualify a professional as. Yeah. Well, that was a very long way of saying that Eric and I are professionals, but it's been for a while. So we try to answer your questions on this podcast and to the best of our ability

with Nick's insight as well as an amateur. And we've been getting some really, really good questions lately. So thank you to everyone who sends those in. And it's really the content that fuels the fire of the pod. Like, we couldn't do it without you guys. So thanks for being so, so smart. Rob is so proud of the questions we get. Like, wow, these are going to be really, really good answers because they're good questions.

So it's fun for us. I said it out loud today when I was preparing the questions. Just like, wow, these are just great questions. It's like people sit there and they're like, How can I really think of something? I mean, I guess really people are just thinking of something that they're curious about. But so many times it's just such a great question in general. Yeah.

Sparks good discussion. And not often do we get like duplicates of questions. And I think in my mind when we started this a year ago now, I thought, are we going to run out of questions? Like, eventually we're going to talk about everything. Or sure. And it seems to not be the case so far. Like there's always unique different ways of thinking about staff or asking questions. And for the most part, everything I read, every.

week is a unique new thing. So yeah, it's very cool. Yeah. So before we get to the questions, are we going to just drop the biggest, coolest piece of news in 2023 so far? Yeah. This is kind of crazy because we're actually recording this podcast on January 18th because Eric and I are going on a backcountry ski trip for five days where we'll be completely out of cell service. So obviously won't be able to record a podcast while we're away. So we're doubling. We're doubling. up we recorded yesterday and then today again. But on the day that this podcast drops, the announcement of me signing with On Running is dropping as well. So, what? Obviously, that's not a surprise to you too since you've done like all of this video filming photos, all this cool stuff around it that

will be dropping today. And then maybe our vlog on Sunday. I'm not sure the timeline, but I'm so excited. I think that's the idea, yeah. Yeah. I have been wearing Nike's my whole life. I was sponsored by Nike in 2012 at the beginning of my professional racing career. And that ended soon after that, but Nike was generous in giving me shoes for a bunch of years. But I've never really felt like, I mean, it's so cool to be signing a contract with a run brand. It makes me feel like a legitimate athlete, especially a company like on that's so huge on the global scale. And so, like, you know, they're forward in their development of performance footwear and just, their clothing is beautiful. Everything about the brand I'm so proud of. So it's been like a dream of

mine, I guess, since I left Nike a long time ago to sign a professional footwear contract someday. And it's hard to do in Traff. There's not a lot of brands that are really interested in the sport. But, you know, Gustav winning Kona in On Shoes and they have a handful of other athletes wearing on and two other big announcements that are coming surrounding my announcement. Yesterday was Christian Blumenfeld. So it's a really cool time to be a part of the brand. And I am so grateful that they've seen value in me and what I'm doing and my racing. And then also what Eric and I are doing with our media stuff and Nick. And it's just kind of a slam dunk. So that's the big news. I forgot to tell you the story. But as I was on the getting on the flight to fly away from Bend,

of course I started talking to the guy next to me and I showed him the on video that we made. Oh yeah. And he was wearing on shoes. He was like, oh, yeah, look. It's crazy. It's a sign. It's all good. It's all happening. And I think they're not just, I mean, they're obviously beautiful shoes and really cool to wear and, you know, for style and fashion.

But also their running shoes are just, I think, improved so much in the last couple of years. Eric and I tried a pair a few years ago. And then now wearing the Cloud Monster and the Cloud Ultra and the Cloud Stratis, like all these kind of new shoes they've come out with and the new race shoe. That's what sold me on it. because this is a long contract. It's something I'm invested in for the next several years. And as an injury-prone runner, I had to make sure that the footwear I'm choosing to wear every day really works for my body and is really comfortable and isn't going to put me at risk of injury. And On really checks all the boxes for that. I'm confident in their shoes. They're super good quality.

And yeah, it's exciting. Eric didn't officially sign a contract, but he will get footwear on through me. Well, it's a pretty individual thing. So, Eric, have you tried some of the stuff? Do you like it? Does it work with your body? I think it's worth noting, just to your original point of how rare it is

to have a shoe sponsor in triathlon and to your point of the shoe, like you're committing to this for three years, that you've been approached by other shoe companies, tried other shoes, and turned down offers as a result of running in a couple different pairs of their shoes and they just didn't work.

So it's like this is a super big deal. And anybody listening, imagine knowing you could only wear one shoe company's shoe for the next three years no matter what happened. Like that's a big commitment. And people like to change shoes and things change and you might want a trail shoe. So it's like it's a big deal. Yeah. I mean, especially for me because I have been kind of experimenting with different brands over the last couple of years and had the flexibility to wear different brands of race shoes and try different. things that kind of would help my ankle get better. And to be totally honest, as soon as I started

training in the Cloud Monster and the Cloud Ultra, which is their trail shoe, my ankle pain has been gone. And I'm not kidding. Like it's, yes, I had a great year of racing last year, but my ankle was still an ongoing issue that I was kind of dealing with on an ongoing basis. And I do truly think that the shoes, the on shoes work for me. And that's why it was a no-brainer. And the, the clothing being such good quality and beautiful stuff that I want to wear anyway is, like, like the icing on the cake. Yeah. As a significant other,

I would have paid the amount of her contract just to get these shoes that makes all of our runs happy because there's no ankle thing. I would have paid on to like give us these shoes. Yeah. And yes, I am also going to be running

in the cloud monsters whenever they'll float me a pair because I agree. Super comfy shoes. Yeah. They've come a long way since the first time we tried them. Paula, do you think you could, I'm just trying to think of something

that could be valuable to the listeners. Do you think there's something, an aspect of the shoe, that you could individualize that has been the greatest contributor to there being no more pain in your foot? And of course, this is going to be different for everyone and everyone has different needs for their shoes. But I'm just curious if you've been able to figure that out, arch support, cushion, like, toe box room, something. Yeah, I think it's like a combination of like the cushion of the cloud monster is really nice.

And for me, the pain in my ankle kind of comes when there's a really hard surface or like an unforgiving nature in either the surface I'm running on or the shoe I'm running in. So having the cloud monster that has like kind of a lot of flex to it and a lot of like cushioning and absorption, I guess, every time you land. That actually allows my ankle some more movement than normal, which I think is good for it. So it's not such like a, you know, landing in one spot every single time. and the cloud ultra is actually the shoe I'm most impressed with. That's the trail shoe. And I did a trail run with Eric this morning. And every time we ran on trails last year in the other shoes I was running in,

my ankle would hurt so much that I couldn't go around corners. I was scared to, like, put my foot down on a root or a hole or something that wasn't like perfectly flat. But with these ultras, I just, I had this run this morning where I'm like, wow, my ankle hasn't hurt a single time. And I'm like running around corners, dodging ice. these crazy variables that I used to be scared of. And so yeah, it's really, it's really cool. It's, uh, I don't know what else to say. But, um, another thing is like super cool. It's like finding a unicorn. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just to talk quickly about the clothing, I am so picky about

clothing. And when I put something on and I'm wearing it in the vlog or I'm wearing it in photos, the number of people that ask like, what brand is that pair of shorts? What brand does that sports? Like, people notice what I'm wearing. So to me, like, the apparel side of things is maybe almost more valuable than me wearing footwear just because people notice what I wear. And on stuff, I would wear even if I wasn't working with them. Like, it's beyond Lula Lemon quality. And it's been kind of fun to, like, purge my closet of all other things that I don't really want to wear anymore because I have, like, two jackets from on that I love. And I will wear them every day because I love them so much.

So quality over quantity in terms of like getting a few pieces that are just so comfortable and so good quality that they'll last a long time. Awesome. Is that a long enough soliloquy about my own? I'm just so excited about it. And I also, that reel that Eric and Nick made, it's on the on Instagram this morning. If everything goes smoothly in the next two weeks, it is so good. I've watched it like a million times and I just, you guys did such an amazing job with that. So thank you.

And then I'd also like to say that. some people might be curious about something that happened even before this on release, which is that there was some news about Eric and his bike sponsor. Do we want to say who it is, Eric? Yeah, because it's out right now. It's out. It's out for almost a week. Eric, I don't want to steal your thunder.

Why don't you say it? I am specialized. I always felt that way about you, Eric. For this year and hopefully until I retire. It's a bit of a dream come true. specialized as one of these companies that's like, like Paul was saying with On, it's just, it's a huge brand. They don't do anything casually. Everything is very intentional. And to be selected to work with them and be one of their sponsored athletes is a huge honor that not many athletes get to

ever, you know, experience. So it's very on brand with Eric because they're mountain bike, their gravel bike, their road bike, everything is suited to what he wants to do this year in the sport. And it's also really great for Eric and I to both be aligned with the same bike company. He did a lot of stuff for me last year, was specialized and that kind of, you know, showed specialized what we can do and we can do even more now that we're both riding the same bike. So that is exciting. And you guys have already put out this crazy insane specialized video last Friday, which you guys should go watch. And there's, you know, just so many more cool things you guys have planned this year. Yeah, I think we can get into it a little more in detail next week.

The bikes that I'm going to ride and all the stuff, like, there's so much to unpack. We'll do like a specialized segment with Eric. You can make a wrap for that, Nick. Okay, great. I'll wrap. Oh, God, I don't know if I should be rapping, but something. We'll do something. Okay, well, if it's all good, we'll go on to our little this or that with TTL. Okay.

This is actually from a listener, from Audrey. I've been doing this more and more, which is using listeners submissions for our segments, which I think it's kind of fun. Avid listener, viewer, consumer of all things, CTL, and question asker. I often get the this or that with TTL jingle stuck in my head. So I came up with a little list of questions.

Some are random and some are based on things I think you like. So, first of one, mountain vacation or beach vacation? Mountain vacation, which we're going on in a couple days. Eric? Yeah, we're more like mountain activity people. We're not super good at just laying on a beach and doing nothing. I used to not understand like, why would you want to go to the mountains when you can go to Mexico and lay on the beach? And now I don't think I would even enjoy that anymore.

I just want to go to the mountains. It is possible to do a beach vacation where you are doing super active things though. Like if you can surf and if you can ride holliacola in Maui. Spend it on the beach. It depends on the beach you're talking about. Okay, next fly to a race or van life to a ride. race. Eric, I wonder what you'll say. God, van every single time. Yeah, I'm going to say van only because I hate packing my bike. And the van is a guaranteed transport vessel for the bikes. I don't

love road trips as much as Eric, but they are fun together. I mean, time being equal, I think everyone would prefer the van. But it's just obviously the van usually takes a little more time. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Pool swim or open water swim. pool I guess open water is more fun oh god I want to be with you Eric but it's just the pool

the logistics of the open water every time just like oh walk down their wetsuit sand salt I think I have like PTSD of open water workouts because of training with ITU squads and everyone going out together

and smashing themselves and getting clobbered oh I just didn't like it yeah all right big wedding or small wedding small small or any wedding at all

wow shots fired I'm just kidding eyes rolling I've been laying on the pressure heavy lately I'm small definitely small

small small okay I don't know what these are but I'm guessing you guys do I'm just not I'm not in the know blunt stones or

Birkenstocks you know how blenstones are Nick no I don't you'd know if you saw them okay I could do a quick Google but

Well, it depends on the season, of course. Although I did just get some Birkenstock boots that I like. Oh, yeah. Paula has these. Yeah. Yeah, got it. I would say Birkenstock. I think they also make nicer boots than Blenstone makes.

Oh, yeah. Those footbeds. And I'm wearing Birkenstock slippers right now, too. They kind of have the full fleet. Okay, here's a divisive one. There is a wrong answer. Vlog or pod? Wow, that is such a multifaceted question.

It's not really a fair question, is it? Because it's like, what do you like more? Laying in bed, comfortable, or going for a run? It's like, well, laying in bed feels better, I guess, but their satisfaction from going on a run is so much greater. Yeah. There are different kinds of enjoyment. Yeah, I really like recording the podcast.

I think it's fun. Yeah, creating the podcast way more fun, lower stress. But then watching the vlog is so much more satisfying. And I just, and I feel, yeah, and I feel like the comments that come in from the vlog. Like, people, like, we have their real ability to, like, cause emotion. And that's, like, we make people laugh with the podcast, allegedly. With us, not at us, hopefully.

Yeah, hearing people say, like, oh, that got me out the door watching that. That's huge. That is everything for me. Of course, yeah. Okay, TT bike or road bike or mountain bike in parentheses? MTV. The Shiv T, T,T. Oh, wow, really.

I might say road bike. Well, the mountain bike is the most fun, but between TT bike and road bike, definitely the road bike for me. Yeah, the road bike for like an everyday ride, but you enjoy your time on the TT bike pole. Yeah, I just feel really good on it when I'm riding TT fast and doing intervals.

This is a little bit location dependent. If we lived where you lived, like TT bike would not be fun. No, yeah. There's only one road for it. Okay, early wake-up time or sleep in late. 7.30 a. We've been sleeping in a bit lately, which means 730, not 630.

Yeah, that's still early. Feels real nice. Yeah, that's right. We guys also go to sleep pretty early. Vanilla or chocolate? Oh, God, please don't say vanilla. Just as a flavor in general? Yeah, which I don't know.

For me, chocolate's one of my favorite things on earth. Like, forget about eating and not eating. It's just like, what are your favorite things? I don't know, sleep music and chocolate. Yeah, I would say chocolate, except I do prefer vanilla-flavored protein shake things. Because they're more

like neutral like you could add fruit to it and it would be they taste good that way. Right. I really,

Paula's got me onto team chocolate but I think I would still go vanilla ice cream. Oh God. Eric, I wish I'd never

heard you say that. Next one, team effort or individual effort? Team effort. Like on what though? Yeah, that's a good question.

Like that's what kind of what I like about Chasson. It's like I don't let anybody down when I don't do a good job. It's just I'm letting myself down, which feels so much better. Yeah. Yeah, I'm probably more of a solo solo worker, as much as I enjoy when a team effort works out well. Yeah, that's right. Okay,

next one, Martin gel or wait, is there any other? Very funny. I don't know. I like having like a bunch of different kind of gels, which may be a teaser for our next sponsor announcement, our next and our last sponsor announcement of the year. Right. We did warn people there would be many. I am very into the precision hydration super gel packet. They've got like a 400 calorie resellable gel packet. That is

heaven for a long ride or a mountain bike ride and it's very tasty. I like it. I like the bite valve on it too right? You can put that on. A plus. Patagonia or Arcterics? Artterics. I like Patagonia.

Not to be this person but I feel pretty split between the two. Arcterics is maybe a little more. high-tech, but the Patagonia is a little more stylish. Remember when I was wearing, I was wearing the Arctic Zip up, and you were wearing the Patagonia Zip up that I was almost identical and you were saying how much nicer mine is. You're right. I really did like

that. The details were way cooler on the Arcterics one. I just think that they might be like two notches higher in terms of quality for outdoor wear. I just, I don't know. They're just like the... That's more expensive, yeah. Just love the Patagonia company so much. Yeah, that's true.

And final one, 70.3 or 100K distance. 100K any day 100K same yeah man after doing a 100k the 70.3 feels like hell will never end yeah right

and that was it looking forward to an awesome 2023 for TTL Nash thank you Audrey okay that was good we're only 30 minutes in before we start before we start the questions yeah but I think we had some important things to cover I love it I'm

I'm here for the for all of it Yeah. People, the kids will like it. Yeah, you are, Nick. You're integral part. You cannot not be here. Well, yes, I'm also literally here for all of it. You're required to be here.

Okay, so before we move on to questions, I want to just take a moment and say, thank you so much to our supporters. Everyone who subscribe to the podcast, you can subscribe to the podcast and show your support with your monthly subscription at ThattriathlonLife.com slash podcast. That's also where you can submit your questions, which are so great. especially this week. I don't know. I feel like out loud to myself, I said twice. Like, God, these are good questions. Well, it's here. Man, I still have not seen them at all. And you guys are talking up super hard. Eric, you're busy enough. That's why we don't let you see them before. I know. I'm just saying. I'm frothing. This is Paula and mine domain.

Yeah. Pause off. That's right. Okay. First one here. Weekly listeners since September. And since listening to all podcasts, I really appreciate your knowledge and insight without taking yourself way too seriously. very enjoyable podcast. Thank you. I think this is Nash. Pool swimming question. Adult onset swimmer began at age 30, now 52. Decent swimmer, about 35 minutes for a half, 75 minutes for a full. So that's pretty similar to me. But many times after my pool swims, I have an upset stomach. Stomach tightness is what he says. I believe my core to be strong and do not feel like I'm ingesting a lot of pool water,

trying to find what could be the causes of the stomach discomfort. Only post pool swimming and more pronounce if I do hard intervals, I suppose it could be correlated. Any wisdom or thoughts, cheers, and hope the new Lamarzaco is getting lots of love. Oh, his name is Van, sorry, from San Luis Epispo. Oh, Hainash is what he said. Sorry, just spelled N-A-S-H. So that's from Van in San Luis Epispo. Do you guys have any thoughts on this? My first thought when I saw this was just being horizontal and maybe having some like acidity in your stomach. Yeah, same. That's what I thought Yeah. I would say that if you do take coffee pretty quick before swimming, maybe cut that out and take like a caffeine gel before because coffee's pretty acidic. And if you're in that position, that's just my best guess of what could be causing it. Yeah. Or try backing that coffee up to an hour and a half before the swim. Maybe play around with that. That was my first thought as well.

Some people with acid reflux, it's like it can be even more related to like what they had the night before. And maybe it would be worth it for you, Van, because this is a problem that I'm dealing with very. much acutely right now is acid reflux. It affects me during my run sometimes. So I'm taking like prilocack for a month, but that's just what I'm doing. But maybe it'd be worth it just to talk to your doctor and see if you have acid reflux because it can lead to a lot of other like annoying health issues. So maybe you're just like catching it early now. I do actually the same thing that you're talking about, Nick, like the acid reflux while running. I get that if I've eaten something pretty sweet within 30 minutes before running. Like I'm sitting there in the kitchen and I'm like, do I have this peanut butter and jelly sandwich?

or this piece of banana bread because I'm hungry and I don't want to bong knowing that I'm going to get this pretty uncomfortable chest brusher. What does it feel like for you? It's like, yeah, it's like very uncomfortable like burning center chest like sternum. Yeah, that's what I get to.

And I'll get like these little burps that are just really not fun. So sometimes just like shit, I'm just going to risk bonking on this run versus even sometimes like occasionally a banana. Just like a lot of sugar straight into a workout for some reason. Jell doesn't do it.

Yeah, interesting. Oh, there you go. We all thought the same thing, some kind of acidity. Yeah, maybe if it's possible for trying out an afternoon swim and seeing if that makes it any better. I don't know. The timing of that, just like right after you wake up and you slam a coffee and you go to the pool,

that could be just like a series of unfortunate events that leads to this. Right. Okay, so test one, morning swim, no coffee. Test two, afternoon swim with coffee. Yeah. Test three. Afternoon swim, no coffee. And then you will know.

Yeah. I wouldn't say it's like a core stability issue though. I think it's probably more like gastric than muscular personally. But I'm not sure. Yeah. Cool. Well, there you go, Van. Next question is from Kevin.

My question is about fitting yourself on a new tri-bike. Mind you, this is my first tri-bike as well. Should I take it for an easy spin and bring tools to make adjustments during the ride? should I do this all in the trainer? I was told to get a good amount of rides in before spending money on a retool fitting. Any tips or recommendations would be great. Can't wait for all the content in 23. All the best Kevin and Amanda and Maeve and Parker from Chattanooga.

Are those the dogs? Let's see. Wife and our two girls. Okay, okay. Two and a half and eight months old. I'm glad they like the pod. Yes, there you go. I would honestly say best.

thing that you could do if it's within your budget is to get a fit immediately and then get a follow-up fit after you've done some riding on the bike. So you don't, hopefully you're just abating any issue of potentially going out and like putting in a bunch of rides on this bike in a not at all correct position in hurting yourself. When you buy a bike, they'll usually do a preliminary like, exactly. So that it's not totally bad. And then you can pay for a real fit later. Okay. Well, then that, that's different. Like I was, I was just not a. assuming that he could have like bought a canyon and it showed up at his house. Yeah, he or bought a used bike or whatever. That's true. But at a bike shop, maybe they won't necessarily advertise

this. But if you if you tell them like, hey, I'm concerned about this and I'm not sure I want to buy this bike or not because of this concern, would it be possible? You could throw in just like a basic fit with the purchase of the bike and then they'll kind of set you up roughly right on it. Also, I think in terms of bringing an Allen key on your first rides, absolutely. We still do that. Bringing an Allen key all of the time. Always. A little multi-tool. If your cleat comes loose so your saddle slips a bit or something feels off,

always have the option to be able to adjust on the go. Yeah. Speaking of which, my friend Kathleen is trying to get into it. She's training for her first Iron Man. And she yesterday came over and rode with clip, road clipped in for the first time ever. So I set up her cleats, got her pedals on her bike. Like she's so concerned about falling over and forgetting to unclip.

and as we're riding back, she was following a little too closely and crashed into me and as she was going down, she unclipped and saved herself from falling. Oh, man. What a moment. So that thing,

remember I said that my DID 2 went into crash mode when this happened? Yeah. I assumed that what actually happened is when she crashed into me, it unplugged the wire from the rear derailer. So I just checked it now and it's just fine.

No problem. Yeah. That's awesome. Good job, Kathleen. Yeah, she did it. She's doing good. And she listens to the pot too. I know. That's why I gave her a shout-up. Yeah. Okay. Next question is from Katie, who's an OG listener, day one, if you will. Hi, TTL friends. I admit I'm writing in as I'm procrastinating my swim. Maybe you're reading these as you procrastinate yours too. Yes. I know that feeling. Actually probably was. Yeah. Right. But I have a few quick newbie questions for you. So let's kind of go through these fast because there's three of them. Do you always shoot in landscape mode or vertical? Is there a rule of thumb for which to choose? Oh wow, these is production questions.

Yeah, the first two are photo questions the last one's a swimming question. So these are pictures versus videos? Pictures. Well, yeah, for video, this is slightly more specific. But for photos, it reminds me of what Peter McKinnon said in that video. If you remember what I'm talking about, Eric. He shoots everything landscape now and we'll just take a vertical crop of it if he needs to for social. That's what I do, because it is nearly impossible to shoot vertical and then try to turn into landscape for our YouTube video afterwards.

That's when I just have to make it look like it's an old Polaroid or something where there's white borders and stuff. So definitely better. But if I'm taking pictures, then I'll just try to do some of both. I'll like to get three verticals and then reframe real quick

and get a couple horizontals just in case. Do you feel like you're 50-50 on that? I would say lately a trend probably more towards vertical just because Paula always picks the vertical ones. Yeah. I just think they do better on Instagram and then you can put them in stories.

I'm like 95% vertical, even on my real camera because of that. And it's a bit intuitive if you're taking a picture on an iPhone. You're just like, it's right side up. You take it. You put it on your story. Yeah. But I think that obviously horizontal photos are a little bit more artistic and can be more beautiful images. But they don't do as well, quote unquote, on social media,

because sometimes it's hard to appreciate them in such a small format. Yeah. They just take up less screen real estate when you view them. Yeah. And when Eric's editing on his huge laptop or is, big desktop, it looks, some of the pictures are incredible. And then you shrink them down on Instagram and it's hard to appreciate them as much. Yeah. The other primary reason that I shoot, that I try to get a couple horizontals for every vertical is because we need thumbnails for the YouTube video.

You have to have a very good image to use as the thumbnail so that, you know, put up, oh, my new bike sponsor. And it looks good enough that somebody's intrigued to click on it. Even the DeBoer video that we just did, the thumbnail for that, we had to like, manufacture it. It wasn't a vertical image. We kind of had to like artificially stretch it. Bake it out a little. Mr. 99% vertical shooter over there. Yep. Sorry about that.

No, it's fine. It's a, it's a purely of the new problem. We made it work just fine, but it would have been easier if we had to just take in a horizontal photo there, of course. Okay, next one, when you film with different cameras, iPhone, GoPro, etc., and then splice all the footage together in one video, do you notice a difference from the clips filmed on different cameras? That's a great question.

And that's a real behind-the-scenes look. I don't think we need any more questions today. We could just do super deep dive on these two and be happy. Yeah, so this is complicated because there's a few different things going on. There's different resolutions, which I think people probably assume that's the biggest difference, but that's the smallest difference in what looks difference between cameras. Like, you've probably heard the terms 4K or 8K even thrown around in full HD. Like, I feel confident saying that like a 1080P, which is full.

HD clip looks just as good as you'll ever really need to get the full enjoyment of something. Unless you are watching on like a 69 inch ultra-hd, like 4K resolution, and you're like five feet away from it. Right. Yeah. Like there are situations where having our YouTube video in 4K I think is advantageous, but a lot of the clips that are in there, like that I put in from our phone or from a GoPro sometimes are 1080P that are just kind of like scaled, faked to 4K. The thing that does matter is the colors. And the color that a GoPro spits out

is just different than the color that are drone spits out. That's different than the color that my Sony camera spits out. So what we try to do is we try to shoot what's called flat where the colors are as un-styledized as possible. And then you try to match all those together. And yes, they look different. Luckily, Nick is very good at matching colors. I'm like 50% as good.

No, yeah, that's the rub. It's the colors that they can just be. Even when you shoot the flat, it's hard to match them. So typically you'll have to go into every clip and try to tweak it a little bit to make it look continuous. Nick, I was thinking about this last night. Oh my gosh. This was like half in my dreams, but I was half waking up. The reason I think that the on video and the specialized video, part of the reason they're so amazing,

and this is not to do with what you guys were just talking about. This is just something that came to my brain, was that because you're a musician, you understand the beat and the clipping of the edits so well. that I think that they're as crisp as I've ever seen them in terms of like music timed with with a different shot. Eric is really good at it, but I think you're one level better at it

in terms of just like hearing the beat and switching the scene. It is so perfect to a T-timed. That is not an insult to you, Eric. No, I mean, I agree. Nick is very, very good at it. In my defense, I edit a video, a 15-minute video a week.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I can obsess over those details in the way that Eric literally does not have the time to do it. Yeah. No, I just think it was something that I thought about as I was waking up, I guess, this morning was like, why do I want to watch these videos again and again and again and again? They're so crispy. Yeah, it's like the on video and the specialized video we've put 10x times more time into than we can for a vlog a week. So guess they're more perfect. But I think that's a huge part of it is the timing of music and the clips. satisfying when those things happen together. It's so satisfying. Yeah. And the music that you guys picked for that, Nick wrote the song for the specialized video,

and then the song for the on video, they're just perfect for what the video is. So on that tangent. Yeah. It's nice when you actually can make the things together, whereas like you're trying to find, like Eric has to find two different things that work together. So of course, there's an advantage. It's a lot harder. Yeah. Okay.

And then final one here, switching gears to swimming real quick. I do a swim set in the morning, I swear my RPE feels like an eight versus if I do the same set in the afternoon, my RPE is a six. Why is morning swimming so terrible and how do I be less terrible at it? This is so applicable to us at the moment. Oh, I see. Is it worth swimming slower and worse in the mornings to get ready for races, which always have morning swims or to swim in the afternoons when my quality may be higher? Thanks for all you do. And I'm sure I speak for all the kids when I say I'm stoked for 20, 23 and can't wait to hear.

about your new sponsors. Well, you're in luck for this episode, Katie. Yeah. The reason I say it's applicable to us is because every day we swim at 8 a.m. 8 to 8.15, we get in the water. And it's just a good way to get swimming out of the way. You know, you do it. You don't really think about it because you're waking up and it's just the routine. Today, we decided to run first and swim at noon. And we were both standing on the pool deck for like 20 minutes dreading it because it just felt so out of order. And I do agree that when I got in the pool at I felt a little better because your body's warmed up, you digested your food. There was maybe like a slight percent increase in performance or whatever, but I just think that

the momentum that it took to get to the pool midday was so much harder. Yep. Yeah, kind of the way that I look at it is that first thing of the day is going to kind of be just a total crapshoot. And would I rather have my swim be a crapshoot or my bike or my run and I usually rather have it be the swim and the swim usually loosens things up a little bit less prone to get injured than if you just like run out the door at 7 a.m and it's cold outside and that's your first activity so it's like I guess if one of these has to kind of just take a hit take a hit it's going to be the swimming it's going to be the swim yeah I feel that and we've had some really good swims in the morning I think advice for this person that's struggling

is maybe do a longer warm up and just make sure that you're super activated before you start like a hard session. Instead of just getting in doing 200 warmup and going, like we usually do 1,500 to 2K of a warm up with different mini sets broken up before we even start our main set. So by the time we're actually doing hard work, it's like 9 a.m. We've been swimming for almost 45 minutes and that definitely makes a difference for us. Yeah. Something that I've been trying to sneak in if we get to the pool and we're not like five minutes late is all run into the gym at the pool and do a little bit of like foam rolling on my back and then just like a 30 second plank and maybe like lift up my right arm, my left arm. That little bit helps a lot with that

first like five minutes of swimming, not just being a total throwaway. Okay, but what about the hypothetical where no matter what Katie does, her afternoon swims always feel better. There's less perceived exertion. Is it worth it to swim in the mornings that mimics racing if her concern is racing? Or do you think it's better in an ideal world for her to feel as good as possible when she's doing that training and then allow that to translate how it will to a morning race. Yeah, I feel like if you have the flexibility to, and let's say you have a day where you've got a hard swim and a hard bike, maybe that day you do the swim first. And then you have another day of the week where you've got an easy run and a hard swim,

do the easy run first and then prioritize that hard swim in the afternoon. Yeah, kind of mix it up day to day. And I think if you're not at risk of, I think another problem with Eric and I is if we don't go in the morning, we might just not go at all because it's so easy to put off at 2 p.m. swim and say, oh, I'm just going to, like, go to the gym instead or do a ride. So as long as you're diligent and determined and whatever enough to get to the pool in the afternoon, that's totally okay. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Cool. Great. Well, thank you, Katie. Next question is from Philip. Hey, TTL crew. Have been wanting to switch to Wahoo ecosystem for a while. I want to ask about

which recovery metrics you take in account and how much they actually matter. I'm sure by now you know how your body works and you can expect a lower HRV or a higher resting heart rate and even poor sleep, especially now when we are getting back into the groove during the winter and we are presented with more load. As I understand, we like those numbers to be lower so we can prompt the body for adaptation. Otherwise, we might not be

working hard enough. And of course, recovery days are meant to be for returning to baseline numbers. I know you use the ORA ring for monitoring, but at the end of the day, I feel like those metrics are here just to confirm what we are feeling. We already know that they will be poor, so I find myself ignoring them.

I really see myself in this question. And the only thing that I might check on occasion is the sleeping pattern so I can predict the productivity during the following day and maybe plan a nap or an early bedtime. Other than that, power and pace and heart rate is maybe all we need for metrics. Love to know how you feel about this. Best regards, Philip. Yeah.

I think you pretty much nailed it there, Philip. I will say that for me, the aura ring, and you're looking at HRV and my sleep score and everything is a motivational thing. So even though it's not like, I'm going to wake up and be like, oh, I got a 25 on my thing last night. I'm just going to take the entire day off of running. It's motivating to me to be like, okay, tonight I really need to make sure I get to bed on time. I'm not going to have a whiskey before bed, you know, et cetera, et cetera.

Maybe I'll try to work on a nap rather than like this is going to dictate things. Yeah. I don't look at my sleep score, my oaring data every single morning because you're right. Intuitively we kind of know. I know when I went to bed. I know how I feel. and sometimes you can be overloaded with data that can like kind of morph in your mind how you actually feel. Like if it's reading out something and you're telling yourself that, but it's not how you actually feel.

I don't know. Data can be too much sometimes. But I think that from like a performance standpoint, the Wahoo ecosystem, the nice thing about it for me is how seamlessly it all works together and it works every time. So it's like the watch connects and the bike computer connects with the kicker, connects with everything. for us just having everything under that brand is great and we don't use it for our sleep and recovery metrics because we're not really interested in that for that reason. But I think from a performance standpoint, it works seamlessly every time. Yeah. It's just the peace of mind and knowing that it's always going to work and I'm never going to have to hard reset it. And I know that if I want to switch over and have cadence on my home screen instead of whatever, I can do that while riding from the app, like that is so huge.

Rather than going out and like, man, I hope my power meter is reading today. I hope it's reading correctly. I should like calibrate it four times. It's just, you don't want to have to think about that. As I hear you to talk about this, it's kind of confirming how I feel about this stuff, all these like over-the-top metrics that like you may or may not use. As I feel like the irony of it is that these like the really intense like recovery metrics, they're actually more for, I see them more useful as a fun side of things.

There is. data. Yeah. They're like, for me, they make it more fun for me. They make me look at it more excited about training. But I don't think they're actually like, I think for most people, they don't help their fitness. It's just kind of the, like you said, it's motivational. Whereas like the basic, most basic stuff like power, pace, heart rate, that's the stuff that actually matters a lot for the training. And that's not to say recovery is not important, but it's just to say that the numbers that are being spat out at you for your sleep are, they are what they are. You can improve them, but it's not like the same as power on the bike or whatever.

Yeah, wouldn't get like mentally gridlocked over what your sleep score was last night and how that's going to impact today. I imagine that you wake up. You're like, I feel great, but my sleep score wasn't good. So I'm not going to do the workout. Of course not. Calling in sick. Also, like, something that Wahoo doesn't do that I love and that Garmin does do, which is super

messed up, is a lot of the times they, like, Garmin, when you're done a workout, It'll tell you you're unproductive. I'm like, what the fuck, Garmin? You don't even understand what my goals are, what I'm doing. Like, I just know this because... D-training. Yeah, I'm in 90% of the time. Yeah.

I only know this because people take pictures of their watch after a workout. It's like unproductive and it's like a world champion. Like, come on, Garmin. As if you know. Yeah, right. That's great. So Wahoo will not hit you with that bull-ff. They will be on your team every time.

Wow, that's great. Really sold me on Wahoo. Okay, great. Well, next question is from Rebecca. Hey, guys, thanks for everything you do. I love all your content. I got into triathlon last summer, and I've spent the past six months learning and reading about everything.

I'm in my first year of college, and my goal is to complete a full-distance triathlon the summer after graduation. My biggest question is this. I have yet to tell my parents about this goal, and I don't know how. My parents are not into exercise, and they have a hard time keeping an open mind about things. that they do not like.

I'm really concerned about them trying to talk me out of this and I do not know how to approach the conversation. Do you have any tips? Thanks so much, Rebecca. He's doing an Iron Man? Yeah. Sorry, we were looking at Flynn.

He's just napping adorably. See, Eric does love Flynn. So get your parents a dog and as you're handing over the cute puppy tell them you're doing an Iron Man. That'll really distract them. Positive association. I'm doing an Ironman, but I got to this puppy.

I'm sure they'll love. Love that. That's a tough question because my parents are athletes. They've always been in full support of this, you know, career, I suppose. But they weren't always on board with me being a triathlet as a job. Like they definitely wanted me to go to medical school and follow that pathway of having a conventional job that you're guaranteed to make good money and something that's fulfilling and helping other people. And I guess they didn't always understand that triathlon can kind of fill a lot of those. boxes. So it's as we've actually found success in the sport, I've gone to the Olympics, we're making

a good living out of this, we have good networks, we're both very happy. And I think ultimately, mum and dads want you to be happy more than anything. It's not as much about money or anything. It's happiness. So when my parents see Eric and I happy, they can support what we're doing. And they're the number one supporters of TTL in terms of like buying everything we put out and like Listening to everything. Listening to everything, watching every video, and they love it. So it's just taken, not even time, but just like the lows I went through after the Olympics and then I'm still doing this. Like that took a bit of coming around.

And as soon as I found success again, they were able to be on board with it more only because it made me happy to do it. So maybe that's a perspective to take for this person. Yeah. Like, hey, mom and dad, like, I'm getting ready to do this Iron Man thing. Like, it's going to be a self-fulfillment journey for me. It's really making me happy and excited to get up every day. who can be upset about that. Also, maybe my perspective is that when I first got into this stuff,

I felt some hesitation from my parents. So maybe for Rebecca, what I would say is they might be a little hesitant at first. But then as time goes on and they find that, like you said, Paul, like it actually makes you happy and makes you feel fulfilled. And also, like, you could, I feel like maybe what happened to my parents is, like, they heard a few stories of their friends kids and, like, what they were maybe getting into at the time. Like, there's a lot worse ways to spend your time than turning for an iron.

man, you know, a lot less healthy ways. Yeah, I guess, I don't know, if you don't mind sharing or, like, thinking about it, Nick, like, what is the downside that a parent could see in, like, an amateur pursuit of doing an Ironman? Like, it's one thing to say, like, hey, mom, dad, I'm going to not have a job and I'm going to go try to exercise for a living. It's another thing to say, like, oh, I've got this lofty goal of completing this thing that's on national television. It's not an unheard of journey. Yeah. I think it was really, I imagine it was scary for my parents and for any parents of a child who's going to be an artist as their career.

So it's like, okay, so you're telling me you're going to try to make music to make your living, which like Paula's parents felt about Paula. It's like, okay, couldn't you have done something that was a little more predictable, a little more steady? Like they just want us to be able to feed ourselves, of course. So not only am I trying to do music, but now I'm spending 10, 15 hours a week, like training for a sport that, is like taking money away from me. It's like making music for living as hard enough as it is. They were just a little concerned about that.

But the difference is, I don't know, like I could be going out to bars three times a week. And there's a, I don't watch any TV shows. I don't watch any movies. I've just replaced that with the exercise. And it's a healthy thing. And luckily, my parents are both like extremely active. So I could see it being a little difficult

for anybody to accept that amount of time, spent on something that's not career focused or somewhat passionate about athletics themselves, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think give them time, Rebecca. Give them time. Because I think they'll see if it's really making you happy and other aspects of your life sometimes in triathlon, I've noticed a lot of the work ethic that you develop training

for triathlon, it can transfer over to all other aspects of your life. And it can build your confidence in all other aspects of your life. life, or at least it did for me. It's also really great with, like, networking and actually making friends or feeling like you're part of a community. Yeah. Like, if that is kind of missing, then I think joining a run group, joining a swim group, like, that's all positive and is your social outlet then while doing something that's

fairly healthy and working towards a goal. Not that we're trying to convince this person that they need to do travel. No, no, of course. These are all things you can explain to your parents. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if all else fails, just buy them a puppy. I think that we go back to our first, just a suggestion. If all else fails.

If I'm a puppy. Or you can also just not do an Iron Man and do a 70.3. I'm wholeheartedly on board with that. I would also agree with that. But I don't want to take away from your dream, Rebecca. If you want to do an Iron Man, that's your journey. Go for it. Next question is from Joss.

Hi there. I'm Joss from the Netherlands. Currently, or is it YAS? What do we think? Yoss or JOS? Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, wow.

I like Joss. Yeah, okay, Joss. training for my second middle distance race and hoping to PR my race. Last year during my training for my first 70.3, I got shin splints, and they took me out for months, basically no running. During the time, I looked around and found compression socks, and they helped a bit. I bought them and have slowly started running again with no pain because of them. Is it the socks, or do I just do a better job in increasing miles slowly?

So what do you think about this? Have either of you ever mess with compression socks? I've worn compression socks but not as like a way to you know abate any injury or any pain or shun splints or anything like that so like I can understand like part of the idea of compression socks is to minimize this could be some you know technical things just to sell socks but just like minimize this muscle like flopping all over the place and basically the amount of time that you firing has to just get the muscle back into line before. like fire appropriately. So I could see like maybe a component of that being why somebody might say wear compression socks for shin splint issues, but I don't know. The only thing that I had that, I had a guy like really do a lot of massage on my shins like on the sides, not on the bony part, back when I had shin spilence in high school. And that was the only thing that made a difference. I feel like every kid who starts running in high school gets shin splints. It's just like a rule.

Like I went from swimming to running and I got shin splints and had them forever. And you kind of just deal with it. And I think a lot of it is being warm. So calf sleeves can help with that, just keeping your muscles actually warmed up. Because the nature of shin splints is it often gets better as you run and as your muscles warm up. So if you can kind of start off with calf sleeves or something that has a warming effect to the muscle, it could maybe alleviate some of the pain. Also just slam the Advil. Slam the Advil. Not a doctor, but anti-inflammatories work really well. I never deal with shin splints anymore. I think over time, as your body gets used to running you,

sort of get over it. Very much a year one, year two. Yeah, it was right of passage. But they hurt so much. Oh my gosh. And actually, not to bring back beyond sponsorship, but something a little cushionier is super good for them because I think they were worse for me

when I was running track on a really hard surface indoors, wearing track spikes, hardly any cushioning. So if you can have something that's a little more forgiving and then choose to run on trails more often, all of that will help with like the super abrupt, harsh impact that makes shin splints hurt. Okay, and I'm going to go right into the next question because it seems really appropriate here.

It's from Logan. Hey, guys, I'm from Fergus, Ontario, and I have a quick question about cadence. I never really paid attention to this, but I recently got a Garmin watch, and each time I run, it says I have 150 cadence, which when I Googled is pretty low. Yeah, that is pretty low.

I'm in university and a decent. runner but want to get better still. Is this a number that will get higher as I run more? Or is this something that you guys have to practice to get better at? Thank you so much for all your time. Hope this makes sense. Love the pod, Logan. Yeah, I feel like this is, there's so many like factors that go into your cadence, your speed, whether or not you're thinking about it, just how quickly you bounce off the ground. Shoes are wearing. Yeah, there are so many factors that go into this. And I don't, I don't know, you guys, you guys can back me up or not on this, but like actually actively thinking higher cadence, higher cadence, higher cadence all the time,

cannot, it can help you increase your cadence, but necessarily, isn't necessarily going to help you increase how fast you're running. Yeah, well, I don't think he's necessarily worried about how fast he's running, right? He just is like, I should have a higher cadence because the books say so. Well, I mean, maybe the subtext is that of that lower cadence. is just putting more stress per foot stride on your body and can lead to injury. Maybe that's not what he's saying, but that's kind of what I was gleaning from this. Yeah, I agree with you, Nick. I think a lot of the run or coaches I've had over the years have encouraged a higher cadence,

even when running slow. So having a higher cadence doesn't necessarily mean you're putting more force into each step. It's just running the same speed you always do, but having a higher turnover. And I think if you can track that on your Wahoo while you're running and have that screen actually on the display, it can just be like a little bit of feedback. So even if you're just going from 150 to 155, that's an improvement. And then slowly over time, I think it'll be more natural to run with that. Because 180 is like what we do when we're racing.

And you're running at 150. So somewhere between there, you're not that far off of what, quote, unquote, maybe optimal would be. Yeah. It reminds me of when I was the first time I got like really injured, I went to go see this running coach. And he was really big on. increasing my cadence because mine was kind of naturally lower as well. And what really helped me, maybe Logan could try this is if you have a sports watch, almost all of them have one of those metronomes built in. And you can set it at any speed you want. So maybe from 150, like Paul said,

you could do 155. You might even want to go up to like 160, 16 at first because that's still on the low end of things and slowly work your way up. I also found that it did a lot for my fitness. but that might have just been anecdotal, but my running got much better when I increased my cadence, even though my speed was not changing at first. Because if it is a different stress on the body to increase your cadence,

it's like less muscular, more cardiovascular. Totally. It does feel different. And probably to you, Logan, it'll feel harder at first. But having that, instead of having, you could have the screen like Paul said, but having something that's like beeping and buzzing at me really kept me much more religiously locked into it

for the duration of the run. Yeah, it's similar to bike riding if you're increasing your cadence that's less muscular, more cardiovascular. Is there confirm or deny this? Is there playlists on Spotify where you can select a cadence for each song?

It might not be exactly the same for each song, but say you want to range of 160 to 170, run to the beat. That is so fun. There's playlists that do this, and I was using them at first, and what I will warn people about is that sometimes it says like 175,

BPM or 180 BPM and 90% of the songs are at 180 and then there's some that are not. I don't know how they sneak on there. It changes, yeah. It can change a little bit, but for the most part, they are right? And that's a great way to do it. You just got to find a style of music that you like. There's a ton of them that are built for this exact purpose so that you can run to the beat. Or bike to the beat.

It's like spin class. If you ever go to like Soul Cycle or whatever, you're like biking, pedaling to a beat. And if you have any kind of like musical, it feels so good. So there's a little tip. Cool. There you go, Logan. Last question here is from Andy. Hi, everyone.

I have a question about what you do with the information from other athletes. If I remember correctly, you said that you listened to Gustav and Christian's coach, who's Olaf, and he's very open about all the training they're doing and their approach. And I know that everyone is different, but do you ever talk to your coach about what other athletes are doing and maybe try to implement some of those approaches like lactate testing or something similar. And are you very interested in talking to other athletes and coaches about their approaches? Best to Andy. I'm really not at all interested. The Norwegian approach, quote unquote, is like impossible to ignore. And our coaches looked at it, read articles, is implementing some of it,

but not to the extreme where we're pricking our ear every 30 seconds. But for the most part, I don't want to follow any other pros on Strava. I really don't follow that many of them on Instagram. I like to just have total confidence in what my coach is giving me without any noise. So that's me anyway. I'd say I pay a bit more attention than Eric does, but I also have full trust in our coach and do what he says. And I don't try to bend the rules or do anything differently

because of what I'm seeing from Christian and Gustav. I must admit, it is really easy to get sucked into that when you're watching a video of Christian. No, when you're watching them train. I think Santeratech recently put out a video of them training, and you're like, am I really not squeezing as much as I can out of myself because I'm not doing all these things? And you can start doubting what you're doing.

And that's where it gets harmful. And that's why Eric doesn't like watching that stuff, because you can question if what you're doing is enough. But personally, I can take confidence in I was second at the World Championships. I had a really, really good season without taking lactate pricks every single session. So I think there's an ideal for everyone, and those guys are on like the cutting edge and doing some really, really advanced shit. But I don't think that everyone has to. And Eric and I feel pretty confident in what we're doing.

And it also is more conducive to the life that we're living. Like we have more than just swim bike run in our lives. And we have TTL. We have other things that we enjoy doing. And I think all the things we do ultimately help us be better triathletes. But those guys literally swim, bike, run, and sleep. Yeah. They don't have a dog, they don't have a nick, they don't have a podcast.

Well, they do have a Nick because they're friends with you. I think it's just like what Paul is saying there is that each athlete is a little bit different. And if you talk to these guys, they are like scientists. They are obsessed with what they did on their run today and what their lactate was and how that impacts the long-term thing. And it's not like you talk to some people and you can tell they're just kind of like nervous about their training and they're like they're trying to self-justify what they're doing. These guys are just love, like, doing science on themselves. Yeah. And that is completely the opposite of me, where I do have my best sessions, when I go onto a road that I've never done before, and I feel like I'm just moving fast on that road.

I get better watts. So it's just like knowing your personality and what gets you going. And those guys just want to be that dedicated and that's serious about the science of their training. There's also so many pros, in fact, the majority that don't share anything they're doing. Like, we have no idea what Jan's doing. no idea what Taylor Nib is doing. We have no idea what Holly Lawrence is doing. They don't put their stuff on Strava or Instagram or anything. So I put everything on my Strava, but I think we're all just looking at the Norwegians. Who else is posting their methods to the extent that the Norwegians are?

Lionel. And Lionel, which is also unrealistic for most people. Pauli, I remember when when Chelsea won Kona, you got a little bit into her, like her coach did the how they trained podcast. Is that right? Yeah, I listened to a lot of podcasts with her coach and her. And it's a fascinating story coming from having a child to winning Kona. And she's a friend of mine, so I got pretty into it. But it didn't make me think, like, oh, I'm going to change all the things I'm doing. I feel like, too, like you guys both had maybe one of your best ever years last year.

So that's confidence inspiring, like you said. Yeah. You're not like, maybe if you've had a terrible year, you're like, oh, I need to change something. Like Lionel convinces himself that he's in the worst shape of his life every month. and so he feels like he has to change something. Yeah. Yeah. And just like every athlete's different.

Chelsea grew up a professional runner and got into triathlon what like four years ago we were there when she kind of started doing triathlon and she ran like unspeakably fast 5K and 1500 on the track. So what she needs to do to win Kona is different than from what Paul and I need to do Kona

having just like grown up as triathletes. And the Norwegians have been doing lactate testing since they were two and a half years old. So like I think Lionel tried to just like jump on that program but who's to say that that's an effective program if you haven't been doing that for five years already. Yeah, I agree with that. That's the takeaway is that different athletes

need different stuff to be successful. Even age groupers need different things to be successful. We all know this inherently. It's just easy to look at the fastest people in the world to be like, I need to do what they're doing. Exactly. It's not possible. Yeah. Cool.

Well, those are all our questions for this week. You can submit your questions and also help support the podcast by subscribing at ThatTriathlonlife.com slash podcast. You guys are leaving for ski trip. It's going to be epic. Are we going to see photos? Are we going to see videos eventually? Yeah, we're going to take our camera.

Eric's going to take his camera. But I think by the time this podcast drops, we'll be back in service. So the whole trip is like helicopter into the back country, ski from the lodge for five days and then heli back out. So I think there's like intermittent access to Wi-Fi up there, but not reliably. So we might be posting throughout the week, maybe not, but by the time you listen to this, we'll be back. It'll be instant gratification for the listeners because they're going to hear about this trip and then immediately see the content from it. Yeah, we actually have no idea how much Wi-Fi or cell service or anything that we're going to have there.

So a picture might come through and nothing might come through. Who knows? It's really cool. This couple that owns this lodge are just fans of the podcast. of TTL and of us, and they invited us on this trip a year ago. So we've kind of had it in the back of our minds that this was coming up for almost a year, and now it's here, which is crazy. And at first I was so stressed about missing five days of swimming and missing five days of riding. But in reality, we're going to be exercising for six to eight hours a day at altitude. And it's only January.

So these are all things I'm telling myself to calm myself down with the mist training. No, it's going to be okay. I can't wait to hear about it. Although I don't know what I'm going to do, like, not having contact with you guys for five days. I can't think of when the last time that happened was. Nick, Nick, it's going to go by in the blink of an eye because you're making a music video with Trixie and, and, and, and, and, and so on and so forth. I think we should, Powder Creek Lodge is the name of the lodge that we're going to, by the way. Thank you to them for inviting us.

Yeah, we are super stoked. If you guys want to do a backcountry heli trip, that's where you do it. You fly to Nelson, B.C., which is also a really cool place. And Nick, we will just give you Flynn's cell phone number, so you can talk to you. him and make sure he's doing okay. Yeah. Oh, that's pretty good for you. I like that.

That's good. He'll be staying with the Corbyn, so just give Lindsay a call and ask for Flynn. Hello, whoo. Nice. Well, we'll see you guys all next week. All right. Later, everybody. Thanks for listening.

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