That Triathlon Life Podcast - Tire size for cycling vs triathlon, bilateral breathing for triathletes, and more!

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

This week we tackle some of the best listener questions we’ve gotten lately, including:How to eat before an early morning sessionWhy swimming creates such strong friendshipsTire size for triathlon vs cyclingWhat events like Whiskey Tango Fondo are actually likeWhen to replace cassettes, chainrings, pedals, cleats, and moreBilateral breathing in swimmingHow sponsorships actually work for pro athletesDealing with neck pain in triathlonFinding balance between marriage and triathlon trainingA big thank you to our podcast supporters who keep the podcast alive! To submit a question for the podcast and to become a podcast supporter, head over to ThatTriathlonLife.com/podcast

Hey everyone, welcome to that triathlon life podcast. I'm Eric Loggerstrom. I'm Paula Finley. I'm Nick Goldstone. I think we got a lot to cover today. There's a lot going on in the world. And Nick and Paula have told me that there are some fantastic questions that have been sent in. So if you're new here, Paul and I are both professional athletes. Nick is an amateur triathlete lover of the sport. And this is a podcast. We talk about triathlon and a little bit of swimming, biking and running individual sports, just because we're fans of all of the sport. We're endurance. This might be the greatest batch of questions we've ever received, I think. No. I think so. As I was reading through them, I just made them, because we're doing a morning pod today. I don't know. Each one of them, maybe it's just my mindset, but each one of these I'm like, oh, there's a good tangent here, which is how I qualify how good the questions are. No matter what it is, if that's how you feel, I'm psyched. I'm ready. Optimism, baby. Okay, Eric, let's start at the important part here. You left us on a cliffhanger. And for the people who are binging through the podcast,

they're getting an immediate satisfaction here. But for the people who had to wait a week, how did your doctor's appointment go in Portland? Yeah, no doubt there's been thousands of people just walking around all week wondering what the surgeon told me last week. No, it was great news. This was my eight-week follow-up.

So it's been eight weeks since I had surgery, and this is the first time I saw the surgeon and actually went in and she felt my hip and moved it all around and everything. and got like a two thumbs up basically. What she does is, you know, like kind of puts your knee into like all the end ranges of motion and feels to see if there's any like sticking, clicking, grindy sort of stuff. And like, do you have 30 degrees or 35 degrees when you do this and that?

And it was great. So the takeaway from that was that surgery was a success. That's great. I'm progressing very well in terms of range of motion. And I pretty much have the green light to do. anything except for running but bearing in mind that if you took six months off of

anything you can only build back so fast so right anything does not equal go do intervals tomorrow and sprints and do 20 hours of work on the bike started in a at a reasonable pace so the other exciting thing I just wrote my TT bike

this is what I was going to say I have a leading question did you or did you not get a KOM on your ride yesterday. It was a real soft one, and the wind was favorable. But yeah, it was about a five-minute effort, and it felt fine. I did this at the end of like an hour and a half

of cruising around quite chill and just making sure that I could be in that position. I also, on my new super cool T-T bike, I put on 160 cranks. And I was telling Paula this, I think if 160s had been a thing when I was in my prime time when I got this injury initially.

You might not have this problem. No, yeah, I don't think so. I was riding so aggressively and 172-5s on the TT bike. Right, so big, yeah. The 160s feel like. That knees in your neck every time. Exactly. It's like smack, smack in you right in the chest.

That is not a thumbs up for everyone to go get shorter cranks, though. It's not better for everybody. No, but for me with hip challenge and if there's any chance of me racing on a TT bike ever again, I think it's intelligent. What are your T-T bike cranks, Nick? 165. They were 172.5 with the bike, I believe, and then I bought 165s. What are mine?

165. They were the same, Nick. Yeah. But you're 5-7, Paula? Do you know? And freedom units? Yeah. Yeah.

But if I've had my best rides ever on 165s, like, why would I change it? It is not, it's not zero, like, in terms of adaptation period. and everything. Your muscles are legitimately used to working in a very specific range. And the guy at the wind tunnel explain this to me. You actually have to put a little bit more force into it to get the same power output.

Right. It makes sense because it's a shorter lever. Yeah. Maybe you can access more muscles in terms of like when you squat properly, whatever. His justification for getting shorter was you can access more muscles in order to produce that force to

overcome the barrier. But it's not universally better for everyone to have shorter cranks. But for Eric, obviously, it works because of the hip impingement thing. And then maybe for triathlon running off the bike is a factor as well to have a more open hip angle. It's funny because we're talking about really small, like the difference between 172.5 and 160 seems like a ton, but it's really not. If you see them next to each other, it's a minuscule amount. That's true. That's true. But I guess it makes a difference. It's millimeters. It's like a centimeter. Yeah. That's why I think it's like overhyped

a bit. That's how I've felt but then I don't know. It is nice. Every little bit counts when you're feeling crunched up. Yeah. And Shram now makes the intervals of like every two and a half, right? Yeah, and they've gone all the way down to like 155s with a new batch of cranes that

just came out with. Speaking of TT bikes. Yeah. Could I just like get on my pedestal for a minute? Yeah. Please. It's a morning pod, so I'm zero percent buzzed, by the way. But that was fun.

And it was one of our most popular pods in a long time. Yes. Apparently you guys really like that pod. That was interesting. We don't really know why. Maybe it's because we were a little drunk. Yeah. Like just a little.

I mean, what I've learned from putting out over 200 YouTube videos is just often you have no idea. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a crap shoot. Total crapshoot. Anyway. Doing a good job. Just keep you doing.

This is going to sound sponsor pluggy, but it's like, honestly, the biggest, most dramatic realization I've ever had in triathlon in my entire 26 years of racing. Wow. Okay. Edge of our seats. Freaking time trial bars that I got from Spieco have changed my life at riding. I'm not even kidding. I'm not over-exaggerating.

I can ride downhill fast in the wind with cars in my TT bars, complete comfort, corner with confidence. I'm like a completely different rider on that bike now because of these bars. I feel like Chariots of Fire should be playing in the background right now. And I honestly, I would say this if I had paid for them. I would pay $10,000 for these bars if I knew what a difference it made. Yes, Eric. I would have won more races with them.

I'm certain of it. I am certain I would do better at at least a couple races to make up for the cost of these bars. It is just like actually fun to ride my TT bike. I can completely relax into the bars. It's so much easier to handle. That's all I'm going to say. But you should get these bars.

I feel like you should specify what exact things, if you can put your finger on it, like features or shape of the bar. bar is like making you feel this way the most. Okay, so these bars are not like casted to my arm or anything. So it's not like they're the exact contour of every single bone in my arm, but they are custom made to the dimensions of my arms. And they're the ones that are cupped at the back. So they're like basically one big long cup that goes behind my elbow as well. So when I'm in them, it feels like I can completely relax into them. Like my hands don't even really need to be gripping the

hand grips because I'm so supported everywhere else. Whereas with my previous setup, I always felt like I was slipping off the bars, therefore having this death grip on the hand grips, and my fingers would get sore. And so I don't know, yeah, I guess it's the shape of them. And then I think having that full contour on your arms gives you more control of the bike. And then the kicker is that they are lighter than anything you've had either. Oh, they're freakishly light. They're a pound and a half lighter than my previous setup. I mean, the weight is whatever. Yeah, it's just funny that it's all so lighter.

For sure, yeah, it's like, okay, well, there's got to be a catch. No, the only catch, there's no catch. The catch is that they're expensive. Four times the price. Yeah. That's it. But are they four times the price? Like, how much is a set of like fast TT bars, for example? Do we know that? That's a great question. Relative to what you were on before,

which is a modular set up versus... Yeah, how much of those? Those aren't cheap either. Like they're like $1,200, and what you have now, like 3,500 or something. Or 2,500. Anyway, yeah, they are more expensive, but... I need to get into the weeds on the X factor. But I can confirm Paula has been raving about these, to me, even.

Like, I feel like I've heard you talk about them so many times since. And when you're in the wind tunnel, you're just like, I cannot believe how comfortable these are. Yeah, that was on a stationary thing. The thing is I got the molds early because they send you like a plastic mold setups to make sure they fit. So I could only ride it on the trainer for two months. And I was like, I think these are going to be really good.

Like they're comfortable on the trainer, but you never know until you take them outside, of course. So when the actual final product was made, we left them at Specialized. So Specialized could paint them to match my bike. That took a couple extra weeks, which they look great now. They're going to look so good on the new bike. Yeah, we've got to do a little photo shoot. But, yeah, I've had them for like a week and a half now, two weeks. And it's just like totally changed every single ride.

It's so insane. It's so insane. Also, I probably spend 50% more time in them versus like being scared and sitting up. Of course. Yeah. Like, oh, this is what people experience when they ride their TT bike. It's like faster. Wait, and to be clear, Eric, you found you, now I can't remember the details,

but you had a set that are much cheaper from them. Is that right? No. No. Basically, I've been having a conversation with them because they produced three versions that fit my new TT bike, my new old, whatever, TD. shiv, right, try. And they just said, hey, we've got one of these just kind of like laying around the warehouse.

If you, we'll make you a killer deal on it. So it's not the same as Paul is where the back is cupped. So different people could use it. But same, same like gist. Because when the back is cupped, it has to be the length of your forearm. Exactly. So, I mean, we're really going into this, but it's very interesting. Paula had to, like, be on the trainer with her, you know, bar setup, her previous bar set up exactly the way that she felt like they should be. And then I measured, like, from her wrist bone to her elbow bone and a bunch of other things to get the exact, like, triangulation of this in space.

And so, like, if I go try to put my arm in Paula's TT things, like, you're like out here. Yeah, the grip is, like, at my wrist instead of in my palm. Yeah. Well, Paula, that's amazing. That is obviously incredible news, and now I'm really excited to see what it means down the line. I can't wait to do an Iron Man. I'm going to be so comfy the entire four and a half hours. I said no one ever.

No, that's not true. People say that all the time. That's awesome. Okay, moving on. I used almost all of the questions, Paula, that you put in because I thought they were so good. Obviously, I've mentioned it. That was a bit of a tangent, but I've been meaning to tell everyone about it. Not even necessarily to be like go by these, but just to like explain how big of a difference

TT bars can make in your overall comfort of riding on a time trial bike. And you don't know until you know. Yeah. And your position is not really meaningfully different. It really is the bars. Yeah, I think because they're comfortable, I can get my head lower, whatever. It's, yeah, it's a little bit different, not massively different. That's great.

Okay. Next thing here is that friend of the podcast and our. probably our most reoccurring guest, Heather Jackson, is currently racing an insane race in the Arizona desert called the Kokodona. Eric, can you tell us about

Kokadona? Are you doing some mental math? Well, I'm trying to figure out. I think if you're listening to the podcast, like minutes after it comes out, she might be finishing. Oh, my God. And we're recording this on Monday. Yes. She started this morning at 5 a.m. And she told me she hopes to be done by Wednesday evening. She'll be running that whole time.

So if it doesn't go perfectly and she's out there longer than anticipated, she may still be racing. We started this at 10 a.m. by the way, on Monday. Yeah, she's already been racing for five hours. That's how long this races. Oh, my God. Even like two hours after she started, I was like, wow, this is already a long run. She's still got three days of running.

I know. Oh, my God. But if anyone can do it, Heather can. She's got the right attitude, mindset, and, you know, a lot of this. Of course, she's fit. Of course, she's really resilient, but I think so much of it comes down to mental resilience, which I know nobody better than her to overcome something like that. Courtney DeWalter's racing. So it's a really competitive field, actually, for this length of race. As of right now, she's in third. Rachel Entrican is the first woman than Courtney.

And then Heather's like- Did Rachel win last year, by the way? Yes. Yeah. I mean, Rachel's like fighting for the overall win. Yeah. It's crazy because it's almost like the longer the distance gets, the shorter the gap is between men and women. I think last year she was like five hours behind the leading men, which sounds like a lot. But if you'd consider percentage-wise of how long the actual race is, 363 hours, it's not that far behind.

Compared to like a 70.3 where it will be like 25 minutes or something like that. Yeah, if you extrapolate that, it's actually quite close. Heather's currently running, I mean, according to the tracker, it looks like her and Max Joliffe are like running together. So it's just like the whole top 10 is just a complete mix of men and women. It's kind of crazy. I didn't, you guys, I didn't know that much about Max, but he's really interesting. And we watched this documentary, The King of Moab, which is millions of views on YouTube. And it's one of the best sport documentaries I've ever watched. It's so, so good.

And if you go watch that, you can kind of get a little bit invested in him and then follow Cocodona. Yeah. It makes it a lot more enjoyable. Can you even put your finger on what about it is so good? Because it's not like it's this grand scale of things. It's just there's something magical about the actual story. I think before the race, that was the Moab. Web 250

and he'd never really done anything big yet so they were recording this whole thing including the lead in without knowing he was going to win it obviously or knowing that he was going to do well at all. So it's cool that it captured all of his feelings beforehand like he had never really raced before he's like oh my god I feel nerves

this is weird. It's just like the classic Hollywood sports storyline of like Mighty Ducks Hoosiers et cetera Like we got a bunch of people who have no freaking idea what they're doing and all this. Somehow they take down Goliath. Yeah. Yeah, but the other side of it is he's just such a cool, likable person.

He's super relatable and funny one-liners and doesn't take him, you know. Like the more people, the more time people spend in a professional sport, I feel like the more polished they get and they start to sound like they have a podcast, et cetera. But, you know, they're like, Max, how are your feet doing? He's like, f***ed as he's walking out of the transition. Yeah, yeah. You know, just like completely un... That polish is not there, which is. just like super, I don't know.

Anyway, we're cheering for Max and Heather at this household. Yeah, they're teamed up right now. They're running together. It's great. Yeah, definitely my favorite ultra runners. Oh, also, I guess I should say my sister is racing the 125 of the coconut. Oh, just the 125? She's only doing 125 miles.

Yeah, so she's down there. My folks are down there, crewing her, and we're going to be following along with her as well. But that crew starts on like Wednesday, I think. imagine doing the 125 and that being the shorter race well there is there's like only an 80 that she won last year

to qualify for the one so okay got it yeah you can do that yeah that's a stupid tiny little race so short why even show up should we do some questions I have to address something that we talked about or that I said last week

because I got several messages and comments about it on the Spotify that I said that there is a, what was it, a conspiracy with expiration dates on over-the-counter medication? Oh, yeah. You just don't follow those. Yes, I don't follow them. I got a concerned message, several concerned messages of pharmacists who reassured me that I should not be taking them past their expiration date, not because they don't lose their efficacy, which they in fact do lose their efficacy,

but because there can be impurities in these medications that can be harmful after expiration date. So not that anyone I think was following, I mean, I wasn't giving anyone advice, but I don't think anyone was going to do it. But yeah, so I guess don't do that. Buy new medication when you need it. I hate that we're giving money to big pharma here, tinfoil hat. Yeah, who says they didn't put imperities in there that, you know, kick up at the expiration day. That's right. Dude, am I right?

My takeaway is drugs are bad, okay? Okay, we are going to get to questions here. And because we have so many questions, and we are doing a video question for our podcast supporters, we're going to just jump right into questions. You can submit your questions, and they were so good this week at that triathlonlife.com slash podcasts. On the website, we still have mugs as well.

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And then you can also become a podcast supporter, which is so appreciated here. And once a month-ish, we send out a little video segment. So this week we're going to talk about cornering on a bike. Eric's going to give us some of his expertise since he's an expert corner and also talk about how to come out of a corner. So we'll get to that when we get to that. but let's get into questions, and I'm just going to say to both of you, we do have a lot of questions, so maybe let's try to be focused.

I know it's not really our strength to be focused. Keep it tight. Yeah, keep it tight. First question, Dan from Canada. Hi, guys, I'm a recent convert to TTR, but I'm now all in listening to new episodes as they come out and working through the backlog. Somehow even listening to pre-race shows for races that took place a year or two ago is still fun. That's great. I'm preparing for my first triathlons this summer.

May sprint, somewhere between sprint and Olympic in July, September Olympic, and having a blast. The catch is that I have three young kids, which means that my training window is almost exclusively between 5.30 a.m. and 7.30 a.m. That is brutal. I'm not hungry when I wake up. No appetite whatsoever, even a bit nauseous for the first little while. I just roll out of bed, lace up, and head out most days. One thing I've been experimenting with is having a gel during the first third of my session to avoid bonking or coming out glycogen depleted for the rest of the day. Taking a step back, it seems a bit gross to dump a package of high sugar synthetic goop into a totally empty stomach as the first thing I take in for the day.

What are your thoughts perfectly fine as it's ultimately just carbs getting burned or a terrible idea? Forced down some real food before I head out. Thanks again for everything you do, Dan from Canada. I don't know. Haven't had to do this much. we do not have this problem Eric you're always hungry when you wake up yeah exactly I will sometimes wake up at 4 have some breakfast

go back to sleep we can relate to it in terms of a race and I think a lot of that sometimes is due to nerves but it's also because you're waking up at 4.30 and trying to eat something and maybe you haven't trained hard that week so you're not waking up hungry

and it is a really awful feeling to force yourself to eat but I do think that if you're taking a gel while exercising, you are kind of immediately using that energy. So it might be better than just fasting the entire run. But a better approach would be to have something super small before

and try to make it as appetizing as you can even if it's like a piece of toast with Nutella. You know, that's not healthy, quote unquote, but it's fuel. Totally. It's not a gel. It has some fiber. It has some realness to it.

Yeah. For sure, though, like doing those, fasted five days week, that's crazy and you absolutely should not be doing all of your workouts waking up fasted. That's not an option. The question is, is it just the gel or is it like this, you know, Nutella? That's, that's, yeah, make it nice for yourself, can you? Yeah, don't make it like Nick's punishment notes, but. My depression notes. I was going to suggest them because they're so, like, I don't know, protein first thing in the morning and carbs first thing in the morning for athletes, I think is great.

Yeah, but you're, you're not, you're not, going in training. That's the thing. I feel like at least give a shot at like doing an entire bottle of water with whatever, 80 grams of carbs in it. Like do an actual nutrition thing. So you're getting in water at the same time. That's smart. That's interesting too. Yeah. Just make it liquid instead of a gel. It might be super sloshy, but it's worth a shot. Yeah, you don't usually feel slamming. You'll absorb it quickly. You'll absorb it quickly. Yeah. I was going to say like usually you save the protein shake for post run. But if you could have

like a little bottle, like a boost size bottle, you know, those boosts that are super high calorie. Yeah. Of some kind of meal replacement. Yeah, that's a good idea. Because then it's like you're drinking and it's not a ton of liquid, but it does have some calories in it. And having protein first thing in the morning is really good for athletes to do. And like this intermittent fasting thing that's obviously been very trendy lately can be very

effective, but if you're an athlete, you definitely want to eat when you wake up. All right. Good luck. Next. Next. Next. This one's from Paul. Paula liked this one a lot.

So, hey, guys, why are swim friends the best friends? It's the only discipline where you can't even talk while doing it, yet somehow it builds the strongest friendships. Paul, Paula, aren't some of your closest friends from Edmonton, your swim friends? I'd say my only remaining friends from my youth slash teenage years are, swimming friends. I think you just go through this crazy bond of like we're in this together, we're suffering together. And yeah, in the workout, you're not talking as much, obviously, when you're doing the sets. But before, after, and at swim meets, you're with them 100% of

the days. You're sharing rooms together. Like some of my best memories are when we went to Hawaii on our Christmas training camps as a swim team. And we were in university, but like, pretty much all my friends were still living at home and our parents would cook for us. So we would go, like, been thrown to the wolves at these training camps to cook our own dinners in our hotel rooms and making, like, curly noodles with red sauce. I don't know. There's just, like, really good formative memories with swimming friends, especially if you're in like a full-on swimming eight times a week type of program, which I was in. Those are your people that you're commiserating with all the time. I think the timeline is a huge part of it.

Like people who are a swim, if you're a swim person, like there's a good chance you started at eight and did it all the way through college. And that's a long time to bond. Be with the same people. With someone. Yeah, totally. Versus like people coming in and out of mountain biking

or like changing types or whatever. Even at school, I feel like in high school and middle school, you just get these clicky groups of friends who are, you know, they're, it's very passive. They're maybe mean to other people. It's very exclusive and it doesn't feel welcoming. And that's my experience in high school, I was kind of being on the outside of these groups.

Whereas it swimming, it was not like that at all. Like everyone was pretty close. Yeah. Regardless of their status at school or if they were considered cool or if they were fast at swimming or slow at swimming, it was like, we're all just doing it together and it's super healthy, I think, in that way that it's a very, at least the club I was in was a really welcoming environment,

really good coaches who kind of like, fostered that feeling. It's probably not like this in every swim club, but if you're lucky enough to be in that type of an environment, I think I would put our kids in swimming if we have kids. It means, it sucks for the parents driving to early practices, but I do think it's a really healthy sport to get thrown into. Do you agree, Eric? Because you were, Eric wasn't in quite as of an intense of a swim club as I was. No, I was. I just did not partake. the morning practices or weekend practices. And I got a lot of shit for it.

I've heard Eric talk about this all the time when he was a kid and he wanted to like quit swimming and his parents said, okay, just make it to the end of the month because we paid for the end of the month. And then if you still want to quit then you can quit. But then by the end of the month he's like thought about leaving the swim friends. I was fine. But it wasn't your friends or was it just the act of like I don't want to quit? Both.

But I mean, yeah, that was completely my friend group. I was in school, not cool at all. I mean, it's not like it's cool. It's not like I was cool on swim team, but you know, whatever. Yeah, I fit in. Like we were all doing the same thing together. Although, when I was a swim team, we did get this coach that we all did not like at all. And we were little shitheads to him.

And like there's some funny parts too. Like, I got kicked out of swimming one time. And I'm like a perfect angel. Suck up. No way. Same thing. Yeah, because we were just laughing. Actually, we had our, we had snorkels.

But then when they made us swim with these squids that was like a foam. squid, it looked like a squid, as drag. So you'd tie the squid around your waist and you're swimming with the snorkel. And we would get our snorkels tangled with the squids. So we were just like, it's not funny now as I'm explaining it, but you had to be there. Anyway, we got kicked out. That's funny. That's funny.

Great. Love it. Okay. Moving swiftly along. This is from other Nick. Seems like bike tires are getting bigger in most cycling disciplines. Gravel pros are consistently using 2.2 mountain bike tires and 2.2 inches, that is. And apparently Tade, Tade, who is the cycling goat at the moment,

maybe of all time, as goat implies, used 38s for Parory Roubaix. Will this come to triathlon? I did a race in terrible pavement using 28th and was wondering how something like 34s would compare. Thoughts on triathlon following the bigger tire trend. You know, 38s is, that's pretty big. I don't know if we'll see that in triathlon. But, Eric, what do you think here? First of all, Eric, what tires do you guys have on your road bikes?

on our road bikes 30s and I've done 32s yeah so the 30s that I've on this bike that was your bike I measured them with the caliber and they actually measure at 32 yeah I mean it depends on the rim

that you're using if I have a wider profile rim like a 30 is just going to measure like 31 or something versus you have an old school skinny rim not as much I don't think it's going to go that big in triathlon because even at 30

like going from 28 to 30, like you're starting to see aerodynamics playing a bigger factor relative to rolling resistance. So, like, Zip has done an insane amount of research on this of finding the sweet spot of 28s on a 24 millimeter internal rim width

being like this really nice sweet spot of the amount of rolling resistance that you get relative to the aerodynamics of a tire that's that fat, et cetera. And like if you're riding gravel, if you're riding mountain bike, obviously aerodynamics becomes less and less of a thing, rolling resistance becomes more important.

So, you know, unless we start, like, doing triathlons on gravel roads, I think it's hard to imagine going over 32. You just, like, the rims would have to get so fat. There's also an aspect of road cycling that is cornering, descending, and comfortability with that and grip, and how much the bike feels so much more stable with those wider tires in a triathlon, that's less and less relevant.

Yeah. So, I don't know. We'll see. You know, the flip side of that is that the bike industry always needs to innovate to create new things for us to buy. To sell things. If there's even a tiny, tiny little bit of a marginal gain to be had, they will pursue it. Same thing with cycling teams wanting to be better than everybody else. Right. Love it. Okay. Next question here is from Taryn. Greetings all. Speaking of gravel.

Since I am gravel curious and appreciate supporting smaller races created by cool people, I would appreciate it if Nick could give a quick recap to his experience at Phil Geimann's event, Whiskey Tango Fondo. P.S. as a serious dog mom, our Weimarroner, that's how it's pronounced right. Yeah, Weimarroner, blue. Weimariner. Weimariner. Sorry. It's a dog, Nick. Yeah. It's 13 plus years old. Yeah, I didn't think she called her kid Weimariner.

I hope that Harper has made that cut and officially joined the family. Paula, any updates before we talk about this race? We haven't paid for her yet. I got in trouble. People commented last week, I didn't think I was that harsh, but people were like, Nick shouldn't be around Harper. What? Yeah, I don't remember.

Just because you hate dogs, it doesn't mean you're going to hurt her. I don't hate dogs. I just don't want to own a dog. God. I'm just kidding. I don't want to own a dog either. No, Nick is a good dog uncle. Nick is a good dog uncle, you guys.

A dunkle. He's a dundle. uncle, but he's never going to dog sit. I could, I've dog sat before, but I would dog sit Flynn. If we were in a serious pinch, Nick would dog sit Flynn. Of course. And it would be fine.

Of course. Of course. He wouldn't even bat an eye. How, Paula. I love it. I love it. He's kicking one leg of the tripod. I love it.

I love it. No, I do believe that Nick would watch Flynn and they would be completely fine together. It would be fine. And I love Flynn. And he's super chill. He's not a problem. He's a good dog.

Yeah, he is your nephew. So what do you guys know about this whiskey tango fondo thing that I did? Nothing. It's a gravel thing in Eastern Sierra. Although, speaking of roasting people, Phil Geiman loves to roast triathletes. Just constantly making fun of triathletes on his Instagram. He's really scraping the bottom of the barrel for content.

If in doubt, make fun of Traathlon when you're a cyclist. It's such an easy target. The thing that I find so hilarious is like, you look at gravel now. It is as nerdy, if not nerdier, than triathlon. Damn. Damn. Like, it's completely just road cycling off-road.

Like, people are, like, trying to drink exactly this many milligrams of this and carbs that and, like, you know, arrow helmets and arrow forks on mountain bikes with drop bars. It's getting lame. So this event was for sure not that. Because it's interesting. not a race. It's a Fondo and there's no places. You don't get, even though when my friend and I got to one of the eight stations, they're like, you're

sixth and seventh. And we're like, yeah, we're not, no one's racing here. We're not. We're not even trying. We're not even trying. We're top to. It did feel good, actually. This is the gist of a Fondo, yeah? Like, you can go and try to quote, win it or go as fast as you can if you want, or you can smell the roses. Yes, and we were for sure smelling the roses. And that is the

vibe of this event. It is, you're in this incredibly beautiful place. And if you haven't seen, you can go like back on Maestrava and see these photos of this event. It is amazing. It's amazing. It's so beautiful. You see Mount Whitney, Alabama Hills, which is this area where a ton of westerns were filmed and it looks like a ton of westerns were filmed there. And it's almost all dirt. Some of the climbs are pavement, but it's beautiful. And what you're paying for is there's this course that's predetermined for you. there is a feeling of camaraderie there,

but then there's also aid stations with all the nutrition you need and like VeloFix, which is that like movable van bike thing, was there to help people with their bike stuff. I actually had a dead shifter lever in the morning and they replaced it in a second. So I love the event. It's very bare bones.

It is nothing like an Iron Man event. It's super, super understated. And that's the vibe. It's supposed to be a little more salt of the earth people. it is not what Eric was talking about with people like measuring out grams of carbs per liquid it is totally not that vibe

it is like a come one come all and experience nature together I feel like the question asker nailed it and like small local grassroots races are still freaking awesome yeah and this is like going into racing super hard is also great but you know if you're hating on

triathlon because it's whatever nerdy I'm just saying the pointy end of it's fun to do both super nerdy yeah yeah Okay, next question here is from Ryan. Hey everyone, how often are you swapping cassettes, chain rings, and cranks, wheels, et cetera, between your bikes depending on the route, terrain, workout, and race? And what do you consider easy-swappable, and do you do so regularly,

versus pain of the ass things? And so you just have multiple sets of them, how you move them. Trying to stretch my bikes to more conditions, since apparently N plus one is not the correct math. according to my wife. I think she might need to revisit the books on that one. I think it's a pretty common affliction that you're struggling with. Yeah.

P.S., we have two wire hair pointer grafons, and they would be lost without each other. Harper needs to stay with Flynn. Oh, God. I'm getting the vibe that Flynn likes her. Yeah. They cuddle a lot. But, like, he would be completely fine also if she left.

Of course. Yeah. So, Eric, how often, I mean, let's go through these. How often are you swapping a cassette not because of a race? Never. We have enough bikes. We do not have this N plus one issue. Right.

So you have the specific tool for the specific job. I like to try to find the thing that does all the things. So when we're talking about like one buys on the TT bike, that does require a little bit of switching the front chain ring, switching the cassette, depending on what exactly you're coming up against. but I'm very happy to like, currently I'm running a one by on both my road bike and my TET bike and yes,

I don't quite have every single gear that I could use sometimes if we go do something steep, but I'm like, I'm okay with that. I don't know. I might switch it out, but... Because that's not hard. No, because that's not hard.

I've already got a 1036 on the back of that so I would have to change the front ring. And that kind of comes down if I'm bored and feel like doing it. And chain ring, same thing, right? That's a bigger, that's more of an involved thing. And there just seems like not to be a big reason to have to do that. Yeah.

And then the gravel bike really super set it and forget it and just go for like maximum range, knowing that you could be optimized for a specific route. But, you know, like per my earlier comments, kind of just like it to be low, low thought. And then for a race, you are, you guys, you've said this before. you look at the actual race, the course, the elevation, and then make decisions based on that. Yeah. For a triathlon.

For a triathlon, yeah. Yeah. Well, okay, one by versus two by, and can you get it done with a one buy and, et cetera. But then pretty much, Paul is pretty locked in now on running like the zip, the, whatever, Super 9 in the back and the 8.5.8 in the front. No matter what. Love it. especially on her new bars. Now she's got all the confidence in the world.

Hell yeah. Yeah, I could ride a disc on the front. I'd be fine. Oh. Claims. Big claims. Next question here. I couldn't help but write in to enhance your baby shampoo

goggle experience. I got a few messages about this too that we can elaborate on. But take a small spray bottle and mix 50-50 with the shampoo and sink water. Spray both inside and outside of your goggles. Let it sit for a few minutes and then rinse it out. It will last at least 30 to 60 minutes.

and alleviate any eye stinging issues mentioned. That's good to know. Another tip is that less often you remove your goggles and especially put them on your head, the fewer fog issues you'll have. Yeah, I love taking my goggles off at the wall, though. That's my problem. Well, they keep stopping at the wall too much.

I think mine fog up when I dive in and I start doing my 800 warm-up, I got to stop at like 200 and, like, dip them in the water. And then pretty much for the rest of the swim, they're fine. Yeah. Wow, okay. But we're really not at the wall for more than a minute at any point in our entire swim. So there's no need to take them off.

We also do have digital clocks. Oh, that helps too, yeah. Oh, so you don't have to see as clearly. No, but I will say they don't fall. Anyway, it is a good tip with the baby shampoo. And I think letting them dry is a good tip like this person was suggesting. Well, this is, they said P.S. Nick, based on my name, where am I from? If his name is Steve, I think you're from Bangladesh, Steve.

That's my guess. Steve, if you're from Bangladesh, I feel like I deserve some kind of prize. What is a name from Bangladesh? Feruse. We had Faroos, who was in my high school. If you're out there, Faroos, I still remember you. You got bullied a lot and I'm sorry. I did not partake in the bullying, but.

That's what I'm saying. There ain't no bullying in swim team, at least not my swim team. See, parents. Everyone was on my swim team. Think about that. Really? Eric, were you doing the bullying? No, I was just an observer Oh, that's a bummer

I just think I was pretty good at never Really sticking out Eric is so non-confrontational, it's insane I don't, it's funny, I've afraid you say that I don't agree I think Eric is very no bullshit I don't think he'll ever confront someone I don't think he will go up to them

And be like, hey, that's not right, maybe potentially, and I think that maybe as an adult he might but if someone says something to him that he does agree with he does not just passively sit by he will say like no I don't think that's correct especially with you guys I've seen everything with strangers

it's great it's great it's great or when he doesn't want to be in a conversation he just walks away that's true a lot of people get the vibe that ericates them because he just if he's not interested he just doesn't talk or he leaves and I'm done Okay, next question here is from swim shady, which is such a freaking great name.

A plus. Swimshady is so good. Hello, TTL team. I swim recreationally as a kid and started again last year when I decided to train for a 70.3. After 15 years out of the pool, I was surprised at how good it felt. The only problem is that I can only breathe while swimming when I turn to my left. Anytime I try to breathe turning to my right. right, my form falls apart and I feel super awkward.

I've tried to work on it, but my pool time is really limited, so it never seems like a priority. For someone who's hoping to be age group competitive, how important is this quirk in my swimming form? The real swim shady. Doesn't matter at all. In fact, when we were at training camp with Paulo, like two years ago maybe in Flagstaff,

we were doing fast 50s, and he would only let us breathe to our dominant side. Every two strokes, every two breathing near your dominance, side. It's like get as much oxygen as you can and breathe to the side that's faster for you. Yeah. Right. Why not? These are a pool for professional athletes. Of course. Yeah, especially if your time is limited. I mean, I think bilateral breathing is important as you're growing up swimming and you want to kind of stay as symmetrical as you can and it's good to have the ability to breathe to both sides in case you start on one side of the pontoon versus the other. But once you're kind of

established in your ways, there's no harm to just breathing to one side all the time. I think. Maybe there's going to be some people out there that disagree. I think you potentially might run into some physiological imbalances of like stronger on your spine on one side or whatever. Well, I for sure do. I think one side of my back bulges more than the other and it creates kind of a, also an imbalance when I run because of that. But if I try to breathe only to the non-dominant side when I swim, I have the same problem. I'm like not going as fast. It's harder. And my stroke gets kind of weird and thrown off. So it's not worth it to me. Didn't Lucy Charles say that she may be part of why she got injured was because she only breathes in one side? Do you remember this? I don't remember. I don't remember, but seems totally

likely. Yeah. And her injury was in running. But how often do you guys swim to, breathe to your non-dominant side now? More than I used to as a kid. but I'll do it like when I'm just pulling. Pulling is the same. Yeah. End of the workout because then it's like your kick is not interacting with it and you can just like breathe every three. I don't definitely do not make an effort to just always breathe to the wrongs.

Whatever, my non-dominant side, but every three I think is good for evening out the, all the things. Yeah, I'm more talking about hard sets when you want to like move fast and get as much oxygen as you can. Yeah. Get after it's swim shady. Swim shady. you breeze only to the right. Wow, badass.

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There's a perfect question here. This is a perfect question for. Rose from Winnipeg. I'm curious how sponsorship of triathletes works. How do you go about getting sponsors? Do your sponsors pay you a salary or do they simply give you gear? Do you get bonuses from your sponsors for performance? General discussion about this would be fascinating.

Rose. So, we haven't talked about this in a while. Yes to all the above. Yeah. Yes to all the above, not necessarily all at the same time. Generally, the way that it progresses is you start a relationship, a conversation with a sponsor. Either they reach out to you or you

reach out to them and you try the stuff. First and foremost, do you like the gear? Then progress to the next stage, which is, can I get some free gear? So I don't have to pay for it. You know, this is assuming you're an up-and-coming pro and you don't have a million Instagram followers or one Kona. Then the more successful that you get, the more that they trust you, you might get a small salary for the year in exchange for consistent representation, continuing to use the gear. Let's say you fast forward all the way to you win Kona. You're getting race bonuses for winning Kona, which is then elevating your salary that you get the following year. You're already getting a huge salary. You're getting literally anything that you want. You're probably getting

prototype stuff, but you're also having to do significantly more. They're going to want you to write a little blog for them saying how you won Kona. And they're going to want you to do three photoshoots per year. And so like the more successful you get, the more money you get, but you also have to do more things. They're not, people are not, you know, Zip is not going to call you up and demand that you show up in Florida for a photo shoot if they gave you one. wheel set. It's the whole thing scales. Yeah. Do you feel like it is something that for most triathletes is stressful or exciting? Probably more stressful. We certainly do not like the time of year when we need to either renegotiate or start a new sponsorship conversation. It's exciting.

I mean, it's exciting if you're, I could see it being exciting. If you're someone like Chelsea who won Kona when she was on BMC team and had basically a blank slate of, no commitment for the following year. Yeah, right. We're kind of in a fortunate position where every time one of our sponsorship contrast expires, they always want to resign for the same or more and continue to work with us.

And I think a lot of that is because of the extracurricular stuff we do. Yes, I'm still racing well. Yes, Eric's still doing like trail runs and exciting events, but it's the stuff we do outside of it, this podcast, the YouTube. the photos. That brings a lot of value in us just talking about the stuff. No brand wants to even give you free product if it's just going to go into a dark hole and no one's ever going to know, right? You have to put an effort in on your side too. And I think that could be where a lot of up-and-coming triathletes struggle is they just expect brands to come to them or that they deserve

stuff because they're trying really hard every day. And yeah, there's more to it than that, right? not charity. I think early stages, there is a high percentage of charity. There's, you know, like, whoever runs the marketing department at X company has quite a few things that they can give away. And sometimes if someone comes along who's trying really hard and seems like they really need a thing, this is how I got Rolf Prima wheels when I had absolutely no results. I got a wheel set so they could race on because the owner of that company just thought, he was like, oh, this is an Oregon kid, we're an Oregon company, I'll do it. And then it grew over time into an actual salary and the whole thing.

I do think there are some companies, though, that are just taking the approach of, yes, literally anyone who wants them can have fast TT bars. So most of the pro field is using them. And that is an effective marketing strategy because age groupers see the pros using them and think they're good and they go buy them. So it is one way for a brand to do things. Precision does this a lot. They give product to a lot of athletes. So you see it everywhere. And precision's cool.

We love precision. But it's a little bit like blasting it out there. The feed does this. I don't know. Get the logo in as many places as you possibly can. Yeah. And it works as well. So I don't know.

Yeah, smart. Maybe that's mean. Precision. No, precision nailed it. I think like, and I don't know. I also, I feel a kinship, not a kinship, but like a connection with them because of how kind they've been, even just to me. And I think enough people have that experience and they tell other people about it.

Oh, for sure. At the end of the day, I mean, the difference between an amateur athlete and a professional triathlet at the lower end of things is not that different. And so many pro athletes are incredibly grateful to be given anything and not have to spend their own money on it. Because like we've talked about, there's 75 people that line up at Oceanside and eight people, six people, whatever, actually get a paycheck for those people break even. And so we're not talking about getting rich here. We're talking about being pretty thankful to do what you love for a living. Yeah. Okay.

Next one is from Sejel. Hi, team. First off, thank you, Nick, for demonstrating the correct pronunciation of the bike I've been calling a Puget. No, no. Don't stop. Oh, my God. Puget's way better. How's it pronounced?

Pajot. Yeah. Puget. Yeah. Puget. Puget. Canondalay. Canondalay.

Speckia lizard. Okay. My cue is about posterior neck soreness after racing. I assume this is likely from sighting with a wetsuit, added resistance behind the neck, and then biking an arrow with my head up for extended periods of time. Does anyone else experience this? Do I need to add neck strengthening to the prehab routine,

how to prevent Seagel from Ottawa, Canada? Yeah, interesting. Mine night got pretty tired yesterday and I'll be able to hour 45. It's a real thing. It's a real thing. It's riding TT. Yeah. It's riding TT and siting in the swim.

Like after a race, I get a sore neck too. Yeah. You're constantly swimming with your head up and then you're in your TT bars for five hours. When on earth are you ever in your TT bars for five hours unless you have Spiko bars? Wow, this really. We better get a bonus for this. No, I'm just kidding. I'm only partly kidding.

But I think doing planks on a ball with your head a bit lifted helps a lot for me. But I'm kind of like, who cares? That's what I'm at. I'm like, is this so debilitating that you're going to do planks? You're going to be sore. Aren't you sore anyway after the race? Okay, it's fine getting sore the day after. But if you're getting sore during the activity and it's prohibiting you from being comfortable in the activity,

I've never done a full Iron Man. But those are the concerns I have is getting sore in T.T. my lower back, my neck, all these things that just are not used to being in that position. And then it's just miserable. Of course. Of course. Yeah, so I say just, you know, like, dangle over a stairwell and put a dumbbell around the back of your neck, like Formula One style and do some lifts. Chiropractors love this one simple trick.

You can do some exercises with like a big, thick theraband where you put it behind your head and like go back and forth like this. Like what? I think neck strengthening is underrated. Wow. hot take. Yeah, I mean, if you're getting a sore neck, nothing else is sore, you should freaking exercise your neck. Why not? You're going to be stacked showing up to transition with a neck because of freaking tire. But I will say, as the season goes on, it gets way better. Like your first TT ride outside or your first 70.3 even, it's bad. And then as the gear goes on

and you're riding your bike more outside and you're doing more racing, it gets way, way better. And maybe just put this in your winter routine. Your neck raises. Yeah. Okay, well, we have a short question and then let's do two short questions and then a final question here. So first one is, oh, wait, this isn't a question. Quick one, how is no one ever batted an eye at Nick saying ice cream headache instead of brain freeze? It sends me every time and I can't wait until I get the opportunity to say it.

You know what? It's a great point because when I, this is so weird. Whoa, I'm just realizing I said. eyes. You just can't see it. I say ice cream headache for swimming, but when I actually get it from ice cream, I say brain freeze. What the hell's wrong with me? Wait, you get brain freezes when you swim? Oh, like in super cold water. In super cold water. Yeah. Ice cream headache, because you're dreaming about ice cream. Because I'm wishing I was having ice cream instead of swimming. But then when you're actually having ice cream, your brain is freezing. Wow, I never thought about that, but that's,

I really have them flipped. Okay, I'll flip them. But it's like one of those things where, it's, you know, the dialect in different regions where you grew up and was so different and what you call things. Yeah. So I guess the reason we've never batted in eyes is because we're in our subconscious, we're probably like, that's weird, but it's just what he knows. Yeah. But you know, I, I think, I think that even within our own brains, we have regional dialects.

Like, we all say, you know, I want to go to the Bahamas. That's in the Caribbean. But Johnny Depp starred in Pirates of the Caribbean. He didn't star in Pirates of the Caribbean. You know what I'm saying? So we like even though it's the same word Sometimes we just use them differently in different contexts Anyway

Yeah you're right I see what you're saying yeah English Next year language Linguistics Fun little one here too Hey TTL thanks for bringing the good vibes each week How long should my petals, cleats and shoes last

Miles hours How do I know if it's time for new petals cleats and shoes Are certain pedals better at power transfer than others That's a separate question But yes This is the order of what you should replace things. Cleats more frequently than shoes more frequently than pedals. Am I correct?

Yeah, I mean, you should almost never have to replace pedals unless they, like, the bearings were out. You just got some crazy shit in them. Some of them you have to re grease them, though. Like you can't just set them and forget them forever. Yeah, but you can pretty much maintain them indefinitely. Yes, you can. I think people don't replace their cleats often enough.

That's scary because you can pop out of your. of your pedal if you don't do that. Yeah. It's the lowest hanging fruit. It's the cheapest to do. It's a bit annoying because you really want to get the orientation right when you replace them. Just outline them with a Sharpie. Oh yeah, that's true. You could do that. It's annoying to put cleats on new shoes

to try to match them to your previous shoes. That's true. That's true. Yeah, it's pretty simple. It also depends how much you walk around on your cleats. Like Paula, when she leaves a stop sign, she does like three kicks off of, is it right or left? And that cleat wears out. significantly faster than the other side.

Or if you unclip every single time on the right when you're at a stop sign, that's going to wear out faster than the left. Because I was pretty impressed yesterday. My total ride time was 404 and my lapse time was 406. What? Yes. Where do you even find a loop to stop that little? Forget about not getting coffee.

Well, I leave my door and I have zero stop signs. Jeez, that's crazy. So I basically stopped at the flip to text Eric and then. didn't stop. That's good Iron Man Training, girl. So I ain't walking around in my cleats at all. Roundabouts. And open country highway is whatever you want to call it.

What? It's how you, like, because you go through many road merges between here and Cascade Lake's Highway, but they're all roundabouts so you could continue riding, not at a stop. Oh, I never unclip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's great. That's the upside of riding and bend is you really never have to stop. Yeah, wow.

Good job. Really nice. I don't know why I's thought of that, but maybe just because I'm not clinking around at, like, you know, gas stations and stuff. Yeah, yeah. God, I do love a good gas station stop, though. Same. We're not going to. But do you remember the time we stopped and you accidentally got the diet, like sugar-free coke or something? Yes. Yeah.

That was stupid. I'd say at least replaced your cleats once a season. Yeah, smart. Okay, and how often do you replace your shoes? Once every two years? Yeah, I think you could get two years out of shoes In pedals, once per life Two years, guys, let me tell you from someone

Who doesn't get shoes for free, you can get Way more than two years out of your shoes You don't ride in dust though Yeah, that's true You can replace the boa I mean... I've replaced boa, yeah, you can get way more than two years But I think you can get yourself a new pair of shoes

After two years and feel totally fine about it The problem with the shoes though Is they start to stink if I use them on the trainer all winter Oh, do they? Oh. Maybe that's just replacing like the liner of them? The upper? Yeah, if you use them in a triathlon

or if you ride on the trainer frequently, that can definitely stinky those up and then also corrosion from sweat. Wow. Well, also, you guys mentioned boa. Boa has a system where if any boa system on any shoe they have a replacement for

and you can, and I think all of them are warrantied for the life of the product. I'll make sure to check that before the podcast goes out, but I'm pretty sure that's true. And you can let them know. Even if it's from dust? Yes.

Because that's not their fault. Yeah, I think they will replace it. And if not, I'm certain that they have it and you can purchase a replacement and it's not crazy expensive. They're really good about that. They're not expensive. No, I've gotten them. That's why it's a great policy because it costs them next to nothing. It creates a really good customer satisfaction.

And we're all completely like Boa is the ratchet tightener for shoes. Yeah. Even my ski boots have boa now. Yeah. They're the best. I said I have boa just like it's all over the place now. Okay. And last question here is from Anonymous.

We did get their name, but... Wait, no, the name was there? Yeah. I was the one that suggested it was anonymous because it's a personal question. Yeah, let's keep it anonymous. And also, if you guys write in and you want it to be anonymous, just let us know, especially if we're doing these things that are a little more personal. Or put a funny.

name like swim shady swim shady yeah um or pug it okay stay at home mom of a triathlet my husband is training for his first half iron man and soon to be full iron man after that i'm a stay at home mom to four kids under seven most nights he works till six which is already a lot for me and now his training takes up a chunk of the weekends and week nights feel like i'm a single parent some days i like how hard he works and i want him to complete his goals he's not one to wake up early and work out, but I feel like we're getting to a point. There is no other option. If there are a good training family balance that could help us.

I don't want to affect our marriage. Interesting, right? I mean, this is, God, we talk about this all the time how lucky the three of us are. And me as a non-professional triathlete, though, how we can not have to worry about this stuff and train when it's convenient for us. We're not lucky. We just haven't had kids. Which could make us actually unlucky, depending on how you look at it.

I don't know. This is every one of my friends who has been like a fairly serious triathlet or endurance athlete that has three kids now or at least even two kids. It's just their trathlon like ultimate performance goals have had to relax just a little bit. Or a lot. Or a lot. And I don't know. It's hard because you're writing in about your husband. But to, I think we've talked about this before and like is this a, you know, is there a timeline? on this. And can you say like, all right, I'm doing the single parent thing and I'm getting us through this, but it's going to be three months or four months or whatever. And then after that, like you've hit the finish line and and like we calm

down on the full iron training. And then maybe you get supported as you, you know, join volleyball league or whatever it is. That's, I think, the dangerous part is training for a 70.3 is very doable in a lot of people's lifestyles. But as soon as you jump to doing an Iron Man and you're gone for most.

most of the day doing a long bike ride on the weekends. It really changes the lifestyle, I would think. And maybe the compromise is, no, you're doing your first half and then you're only doing half, so you don't need to do a full. Well, while all four kids are under seven, that's so much work, I would imagine. They're all at the age where they're dependent on you for everything they do. I think that you could also have like a very practical conversation about this. and you're like, okay, honey, I love that you're doing this,

but I just, I physically cannot handle you training 30% more than you currently are. Is it possible for you to work with the amount of training time that you did for the 70.3 and do this Iron Man for the sake of our total family happiness? And then maybe he can go to his coach and say, like, you know, I just, here's what I got to work with. From what she's making it sound like the 70.3 training is already pushing into what's acceptable. Maybe the compromise is, I don't know how feasible this is in a workplace, but could you do your run at lunchtime? Oh, that's smart. Yeah.

Waking up sucks, but could you take an extra? There has to be fat to cut from the day, right? I always think like a 30-minute scrolling on your phone thing. It's like, just don't do that if you can and train instead. Yeah, I mean, we all need mental breaks, but maybe it's like shuffling things around a little bit during the day so that you could do a morning workout that's not. outrageously early or you could train in the middle of the day and then you're coming home at six and you're engaged with the family three days a week. Yeah, I got to think if you're open about this and just be like, okay, here's the line and this is how much I need you, you know, each day and

whatever throughout the week. And then it's up to them to decide, are am I going to wake up at 4 a.m. to get the training done, you know, what's more important? The training or the waking up to get in my sleep. Because the family time, X amount of family time is non-negotiable. Also, sleep is not negotiable. You can't just keep waking up early to train. Your body will eventually. Doesn't just, you know, unfortunately, maybe Ironman. Is that a normal for a job where you go to work in the morning and come home at six?

That is so long. Nine to five. Yeah, and then commuting home. Is the classic. Yeah. Yeah, but I got to, if you're starting work at nine in my brain, that is enough time to do a morning workout. Plenty of time to train. It depends how long your commute is.

God, that's, oh. feels yeah that's that makes me sad a little bit to think about that well um lionel talked about this on his latest vlog didn't he lineal i don't know he's starting about a lot starting over different different coach and this time it's gonna work he wants to be with his kids as much as possible and anyway it's a problem i think even pro athletes experience but even more crazy with yeah nine to five uh workers but it has to ultimately come from him. It has to be like, I want to spend more time with my kids. Not you're forcing me to spend more time with my kids and now I resent you and I'd rather be doing something else.

Yeah, you got to go like at least three layers deep with inception to plant that seed. Right. Or it'll never take. Right. Oh, it's so hard. Well, good luck. He's, he's never even done a half. He's going to do it, hate it and problem solved. Yeah, you might be no problem here. Turns out it's pretty fucking hard. I thought I was going to do double that distance. Ha, ha, ha. No, thanks. Yeah, who has ever finished as 70.3

and thought, yeah, twice? Okay, I could do that again. Actually, probably plenty of people. Time to start treating for my full iron man. Oh, my God, crazy. Okay, well, that's all we got for this week. That's a long one. We went way over, but hopefully you guys appreciate it.

I'm starving. No one ever complained about it being too long. Later, everybody. Ha-ha-