That Triathlon Life Podcast - Track cycling for triathlon, speed wobbles, Timbits, and more!

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

This week on the podcast, Eric kicks things off with the latest triathlon news, we test his skills (and spelling) with the TTL Spelling Bee, and then dive into your hard-hitting triathlon questions. Here’s what we covered:Using track cycling as a training toolPacked swim lanesBarefoot runningWetsuit fit issuesSpeed wobblesHow many Timbits you can eat in 24 hoursBackyard UltrasGravel riding backpacksOur favorite sports filmsUsing the elliptical and aqua jogging while injuredA big thank you to our podcast supporters who keep the podcast alive! To submit a question for the podcast and to become a podcast supporter, head over to ThatTriathlonLife.com/podcastEric's Broken Top FKT VideoWhere Aerobic Meets Creative

What's up, everybody? Welcome to that triathlon life podcast. I'm Erica Lachistram. I'm Paula Finley. I'm Nick Goldston. And we are, man, we got, I think we got a good show today. We're going to carry on with the news like we have been doing. I think we got a couple of good things.

And Nick has just informed me that we have some fantastic questions to get through. And we also got a giveaway. We're back to that. Oh, my gosh. Ball call up. It's going to be a good one. How do we keep on giving? How do people keep?

I mean, what? The value presented here, unbeatable. You know what I was thinking today. We got a couple of requests recently for doing ad reads on the podcast. And we've always said we don't because we got supporters. But what I was thinking over dinner is like I was having a little bit of wine too, so maybe I was a little bit tipsy. Of course.

But like I feel like when we talk about something, the podcast supporters are like our friends. Right. And we're telling them about something that we love. Because we would never give you guys. ad reads for something we don't like. So it's not even like an ad read. I feel like if we end up doing ad reads, let's say we do that. We're not even going to call it an ad read because it's just talking about a product that we really believe in.

And your friends are getting money for it. I love this reframe and I fully support it. We're not going to feed you guys like athletic greens and all the stuff that we don't actually use. Like if we do ever, ever do an ad read and it wouldn't be intrusive or over the top. or numerous, it will be for something we truly love. I think this just goes, this is a gray blanket statement for literally everything that we do with TTR. That's right. And the products and everything that we use.

We are in a very blessed situation and not have to shill anything that we don't, I absolutely love. So that's a great PSA. I can't really see us like reading from a script. I don't know. That's the other thing. Yes. Some people will say like, okay, one ad read a month.

and we're, I'm thinking, okay, so me and Nick and Eric are going to talk about your thing for two minutes. Right. We're not going to leave the thing. Yeah. And we're funny and we say things that are true and we genuinely use the thing. So we're not reading off a script. I hope people think we're funny.

We would never read off a script for you guys. Sorry. That's our commitment. All right. The reason that we might actually even endorse the thing ever and why we're qualified to potentially do so is because Paul and I are both professional triathletes. We've been doing it for quite a long time, something like 15 years now. Nick is an amateur triathlet, professional musician,

and he keeps this podcast rolling along and sounding crispy, fantastic. So with that out of the way, should we just dive straight into news things here? Nick, I noticed you're wearing an Iron Man World Championship T-shirt. Oh, me? Does that mean you're back into training? Yes, I'm trying to pretend like I'm back into it. Yeah. Yeah, I've been running again, and it feels good to run.

I just, I don't know if I'm causing irreparable damage to my future self by running in the air around here, but given the information that I have, it seems like it's, we just don't know, but I'm trying to run, I've run south, so I run away from where the fires were every time I run. There we go. That feels like the most of it you can do, right? Yeah, for now. Right on. All right, well, we're just going to get going.

And I think then at the end of that, we might just check in on our personal training, Nick jogged my memory with that. But I jogged your memory? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Wow. All right. We're just going to come out of gate straight here with T100 sort of things.

So Lucy Charles, this surprised me, signed with the T100. To me, she is like the epitome of the I'm all in on Kona. That's the only thing I'm focusing on. Like, Kona starts on January 1st. And to see her signing with T100, maybe Paula can, you know, speak to this. But I was like, man, how? How are you going to fit that in while still just maximum focus on becoming the champion? I think it's just a testament to the fact that it is possible to do the minimum number required of T-100 races while trying to win Kona.

I think it's completely possible. It's not a stretch. We will see. It remains to be seen. Paula, do you think the smartest thing for an athlete like Lucy to do would to not just do the minimum T-100 races is to do more than the minimum T-100 races and do Kona? ultimate goal is. So I guess then, you know, it sort of begs the question, like, is she putting any weight into the Iron Man Pro series?

Or is she like, I'm going to do the T-100 and then I'm just going to rock up and win Kona? No, that's what I think. I think that it's really, I mean, Kat did really well at both last year, but I think it's going to be increasingly challenging to do well at both series. Right. Because the Iron Man Pro series demands that you do several Iron Man's really well. But for someone that just needs to get a qualifier. and wants to race well at Kona.

The T-100 schedule is set out so that there is kind of this big buffer in the Kona preparation period where you can miss Las Vegas and Abiza and still focus on that as being your key race of the year. So it's not a huge surprise to me. The bigger surprise to me

is the people that chose fully just to opt out of it. Like Ladello. It's a Kona year, though, for him. Yeah. The other thing, 2100, we're going to wrap up here with they just announced a race Vancouver, BC. Yeah. That is particularly close to our hearts here on this podcast. It's one of the biggest reasons that I felt like I couldn't turn down my contract because I really want to race in Canada.

And I don't get that many opportunities to. So I knew Vancouver was on the schedule. It's been kind of on the download, talked about and discussed for the last year or so. So when it became an official thing that was going to happen, And they weren't, I'm still not sure if they're going to allow athletes who declined contracts to accept a wild card. I don't know if that's the fact. Or 1,000% not count on it. No, I couldn't count on that.

Absolutely not. In my mind, I thought, okay, if I declined this contract, I still really want to race Vancouver, but I didn't think that that was going to be allowed. So I'm so excited for it. I really hope that a lot of people will sign up for this race and come to Vancouver and do it. Vancouver is such a cool city. Like an iconic, they had the 2010 Olympics there for winter, and my dad was born there, so I have lots of family there. I think it will just be a really, really fun event.

So I'm excited to go to that and really easy travel for Eric and I. We can drive there and have a family watch. So, yeah. It's going to be sick. Big deal. Did you guys see that they used my face as part of the announcement for the race? Nope, did not. So, I mean, I think that means you're racing there too, I guess.

Yeah. Name and likeness, royalty, please. All right. Here close to home this past Sunday. I'm two weekends in a row here, or I'm coming up on three, of putting out videos on Sunday, just like the good old days. And I put out something that was very close to my heart, the Broken Top Mountain, FKT video.

For those who don't know, which is probably 95% of people listening, FKT stands for fastest known time, premise of the video. as I rode from town on my mountain bike up to the edge of the wilderness boundary where you were no longer allowed to ride a bike and I ran to the top of Broken Top Mountain summited, ran back down,

got on the mountain bike, bike back to town and that is an officially recognized route on fast-known time.com and I got it. Hell yeah! Really proud of the video and that's something that I've been wanting to do for the last three years

but the logistics of fires and smokes and weather and traveling to all over the place has made it really challenging and I finally got done. So if you're a podcast-only listener and you wouldn't mind going and giving that a little watch on YouTube, I think I like it and I would appreciate it. It's epic. It's a step above what the normal Sunday shows are too. And it definitely took Eric a lot more time, not just in doing it, but in editing it.

Yeah. Last thing I got here is on the short course side, World Triathlon has rolled out some new rules hot off the press. And there's some interesting ones in here. I'm just going to skip like straight to the one that I think is going to break. Nick's heart and that is watches are no longer allowed in the swim. Oh how do you even I mean why even do the race check your watch at the door folks also your fingernails are going to be checked for like long sharp just like water polo no razor blades on at the end of your fingertips. Finger nails and toenails will need to be short in order for the athlete to be authorized to start yep wow

gold chains also out no gold jewelry is out I don't know if that you know wedding rings earrings I don't know specifically. So you might have to submit some questions on that. Another thing that I thought was super interesting, sprint distance races, equal amount of points is full distance races and full being full Olympic distance races, which is raced at the Olympics. So if you win one of those little quick 45 minute units, you get the same amount of points as win in the hour 45 race. Last thing that I think, well, actually two more things to go here. The mixed relay order from going on to the next Olympic cycle is going to be woman man, woman man.

You can't mix that up. You can't mix it up. Yeah, what do you think about that? I feel like that's kind of fun. It makes it more fun to watch in most ways. I think so. No, I think that it makes sense that they would flip it every cycle so that now a guy finishes the race, right?

Well, sure. I'm just saying as long as every team has to do the same order. Oh, it always has to be the same order, but I think they should be able to mix it up so that either a guy leads off or a girl leads off. Each quad. Like flipping that so that change the dynamic of it?

Yeah. It's not like swimming where you can just freaking whatever you want any way you want and it's so confusing. I wonder if the track, like USA track and field will also do something like that because they can also kind of make up the order for the mixed relay stuff. Well, I think that makes it really interesting in a short race like that, but with dynamics of drafting

on the bike and stuff, I think it's too complicated. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. There are some reduction in penalties for drafting. I'm not going to read all those off. you can just go read the press release. There's also a reduction in the stringency of E. coli standards to start the swim. And instead of one person making that decision, it's going to be committee that will cancel the swim. That seems good.

And last but not least, elite athletes can now wear uniforms that go all the way to their elbows. Cover those shoulders up for aerodynamic purposes and whatnot. That's going to look different. It's going to look different. I don't know if people necessarily will, though. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how many people do it. Aerodynamic gains in a sprint or in a draft legal race are so minimal and then you have the heat effect of wearing sleeves. Something that I'm, something that could be a factor and I'm curious about is like what their logo things will be.

Because for us anyway, sleeves are just like one more spot that we can put a, you know, specialized logo. Yeah. That's it. That's all I got, folks. Cool. Well, thanks for the news, Eric. That's phenomenal. We love it.

No problem. You know what? I'm going to, even though I have to edit this tonight, I'm going to make a very mini, like one second news jingle for us. So we have that. I like that Pavlovian response. Actually, funny story. I was with Trixie this week for dinner. She came here to record, and we went out to dinner,

and as we went to this fancy place in Santa Monica, a Trixie superfan was there. Trixie Mattel is the world's most famous drag queen. Yeah, well, I guess Rupal is probably the most famous drag queen. But yes, Trixie is a very well-known drag queen. And this person went up to her and was like hyperventilating, how excited they were. because the fan was like,

I listened to every episode of your podcast because Trixie has her own podcast. And then Trixie was like, this is Nick, by the way, he did the music for the podcast. And I felt a little important in the moment there that I had made the music for their podcast. So the jingle, it expands beyond the TTR podcast.

That sticks with you. I would also go up to Trixie and hyperventilate if I saw her in public. Perfect. But then she'd be like, oh, hey, Paula. Yeah, you guys are buds. What are you talking about? You guys are buds.

All right. Speaking of jingles, let's do some spelling bee. Oh, no. T-TL spelling B. Wow. We haven't done this in a while. I think I might be rusty. I think you could knock them down

as they come up, okay? All right. First one here. When I see these young kids racing draft legal races, I feel like a dinosaur. How do you spell dinosaur? D-I-N-O-S-A-U-R.

Okay, very nice. That's good. You got that one. When I'm riding in the TT position, my coxics is nowhere near the saddle. How do you spell coxics? C-O-C-C-Y-X. That's a, Eric, that's good.

That's a hard one. Because I was a pre-med. Ah, okay. Before I dropped out. Yeah. I would be lost in this world without a high-quality shammy. This is one of those words that's like,

why is it pronounced this way and spelled the other way? C-H-A-M-O-I-S. Very nice. Yeah. I mean, why do we say shammy? Shem-W. I don't know. I have no idea.

very odd. Great mystery of the universe. Okay. This one, let's see if you can get these. Fidipides collapsed and died after running from Marathon to Athens to deliver the news of their victory. How do you spell Fidipides? That's not fair. You're not going to get this one.

Yeah, it's a name. That doesn't follow any of the rules. I make the rules. You have to spell it. Uh, B-H-O-E-D-E-P-I-D-E-S. Some of that was right, but most of it was wrong. P-H-E-I-D-I-P-D-E-S. Okay, it's like Mississippi vibes.

Yes, a lot of weird eyes. Last one here, I told my friends I couldn't run today because of dysplasia, and now they think I adopted a Labrador with hip problems. How do you spell dysplasia? D-Y-S-P-L-A-S-I-A. Very nice. Do you have any, do you have any like dysplasia issues with your hips? No.

I got 99 hip problems in dysplasia. is not one. Very nice. Very nice. Okay, great. Well, let's move on to our questions. We're nice and warmed up. These are questions submitted by our beloved listeners,

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from Derek. This is a multi-parter, but I put it first because I thought it was really an interesting question. All right. I TTL crew. I recently took up track cycling. Shout out to the Forest City Vellodrome in London, Ontario, which was built in an old hockey arena and is the smallest permanent velodrome in the world. That is freaking cool. Measuring 138 meters with 50-degree banks.

You guys want to know a fun fact? I lived in London, Ontario. You did? Yeah. For school? No, when I was in fifth grade, my dad got a job there. We moved there for a year, and my mom didn't like it. I did not know that.

138 meters? Yeah, so short. That would be dizzying to run on. Yeah, that is real tight. I thought there were standard sizes for velodromes. Like, is the Olympic, like, if you're racing the Olympics, are they, okay, those are all the same. That's standard. I don't think they would hold competitions at this velveterum.

Maybe. The Portland one is really short. it's like 220 or something like that. Derek said it's a fun alternative to Zwift this winter, a few track-related questions. Okay, so here's the first one.

Have any of you ever done track cycling? Yes. Not many, Paul is the only track cyclist in the family. The three of us, definitely the least likely. When was this? How? Why would you say I'm the least likely? I'm better than both of you at biking.

Because you hate biking. Okay, but I'm not, I'm better at it than you. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah, but you, yeah, but you're not a better metaliker. You're not a better gravel rider. You're not a better unicycler. You know, this is great. I mean, track cycling generally gives the impression of like, I'm aggressive and I want to like race head to head. And it just doesn't seem like your vibe, babe, that's all.

Okay. Well, when I started triathlon, my coach was Glenn Playfair in Eminton, Alberta. I was running with university. I was swimming with university. And then I was starting my triathlon pursuits. So there is a velodrome in Edmonton. It's outdoor. It's concrete. I don't think it's definitely not as small as one this person's talking about. But we would go twice a week and do workouts on the velodrome. And we would borrow track bikes from Velocity cycle, which kind of like was the track club in Eminton or the bike club in Eminton. Because the bikes are very specific, as you may or may not know,

they don't have brakes, their single speed. And it made me... The ones you were riding were fixed year, not just single speed. Yeah, fixed gear. But I was starting an ITU career, and I think that they helped enormously with my ability to draft and my skills with coming in and out of the drafts on my ability to sprint. And the workouts were completely different. I can't really remember that well what they were, but obviously a lot of really high power stuff and coming up to the bank and then sprinting down the bank and doing a couple laps fast. Like, super fun.

That is really cool. But most importantly, extremely good for skill development on the bike as a junior athlete. It was. I don't think I realized at the time how lucky I was to have access to that and how much it was really helping improve my ability to just be comfortable on a bike and in a pack.

That is so cool. Eric, have you ever considered it? Oh, yeah, I was really close. Our Velodrome in Portland didn't have like bikes like that to rent and it was like on the other side of Portland from where I lived. Yeah, there's barriers to entry.

A lot of barriers. I did a lot of cycling on the Portland internet. National Raceway would have two race nights a week where you could go out and basically do a circuit slash crit race. And that's how I got my bike skills. Nice. My first bike was a, I mean, I still have it. It's a fixed year.

And so I could have done it and I was kind of toying with the idea, but never did it myself. I think the thing that makes track cycling less scary than riding in a pack on the road is that nobody has brakes. You can't break. Yeah. There's absolutely no fear with riding like a millimeter from the wheel in front of you. Because you're all going to speed. and that aspect of it makes it a very controlled environment. So I think it actually takes the fear of cars.

It takes the fear of so many things that make me worried about riding outside on the road are gone because you're in this very controlled environment. That does make sense. That makes sense to me. We kind of already answered part of this, but here's the next question. What are your thoughts on using it for triathlon training? I find it to be a great workout as there is quite literally no freewheeling. And if I want to mix things up, I do intervals by lapping the Peloton and then recover.

covering in the group. So I don't understand the dynamics here of like you can just go and there's a peloton just like indefinitely circling the track or something. It's going to be different for every person. Like if you're just going to the track by yourself or I don't know how it works. We would always go as a group of junior athletes. So there was always a prescribed workout. I'm a huge proponent of anything that is enjoyable that classifies as fitness boosting in any way,

do it. Otherwise, like you're going to be in and out of triathlon pretty quick if you're just Like, all I do is sit on the trainer and do five by eight minutes, you know? Like, yeah, have some fun with it. That's really cool. That's cool. Last one here. Another Canadian cyclist recently beat Lionel Sanders Canadian Hour Record.

Paula, have you ever considered going for the women's hour record on the track? Yeah, I've thought about that. I don't know how, I don't know who has it or how challenging it is as a female. But maybe someday, yeah. I think Milton, Ontario has... like a world-class track that they built for the Pan Am games in Toronto in 2015. So maybe that's where I would do it. That might be where Lionel did it is.

That sounds familiar. It's an interesting challenge because you're not allowed to bite computer. Oh. You're allowed feedback from your coach every lap, but you can't. You can just say like faster or slower. You can't look at watts. You can't look at speed. You're just fully riding by feel.

And I think that's a really interesting skill you'd have to develop. and obviously get some time on the track and everything. So when Bradley Wiggins or whoever does an hour record, do they not have power data at all? Well, you can put your power meter like behind your saddle or something. So they can check it later. Got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm assuming they would check it later, but you can't be looking at it. The goal of the hour record is to keep it as pure as possible so that just modern technology isn't making you way better than somebody in 1910. Although it still is because of a very dynamic. Yeah. But as much as they can, they have these funny rules for that. Next question here is from Jason. Good day. Often these days when I swim, even if it's very early in the morning, the pool lanes start to get packed. Or slow swimmers creep into my lane.

I'm always cordial and try to work with everyone, but at times it's literally impossible to finish my sets or workout. Today, for example, I just ended up leaving after about 30 minutes because there were six people in my lane. January thing maybe? Any advice or thoughts? Thank you. Jason. I can see why Paula included this one. Why? I've had some frustrations over the January thing. It does feel like every January that the pool all of a sudden is a hot place to be.

And then the other time of the year is when they, here in Bend anyway, when they take the bubble off the pool and it's like the first sunny day, all of a sudden everybody's like, you know what I do? I swim. I think swimming's good. Like we go through like a week and a half of, okay, great. everybody and Ben swims now before it calms down. So, Paula, what do you think?

I mean, you guys seem to have it pretty good there at the pool, but does this ever happen? I get my own lane mostly every day here, but I can relate when I travel or, yeah, like, summertime when there's really limited lanes. And it's, I don't really have a solution. I was hoping you guys would. Oh, you marked this as a good one, so I thought you, that's why I asked you about it. I don't know. I've thought about asking the life card and be like, hey, is there any way to like get a consensus here? And like, I don't know, really. Is there some way that we can get the fast lane to be fast instead of kind of like a couple fast people plus a couple more people jumped in because there were less people in the fast lane even though they don't belong. Like if everybody's going near the same speed, then I do think you need to abandon your workout a little bit and just try to be flexible and get an endurance swim in. That would be, that's, that's, usually what I do if I end up in our lane with like four other people. Yeah, it's extremely frustrating.

And sometimes the frustration of it makes me swim more aggressively and like a little bit harder and a little bit. I do get a good practice of like awareness of my surroundings. And that is really applicable to triathlons. You can think of that as a positive. I think six in a lane is way over the top. I would probably also get out. But if it's like three or even two can be annoying if you're lapping someone every hundred meters. Yeah.

I guess you could think of it as like you just got a catastrophic flat on the bike. You know what? This is just a thing that's out of your control. Every single workout of the entire year can't be perfect. But can you imagine if every time you went to the pool it was like this? I would never go. Yeah, that would be a real problem. That would be a reason for as a pro athlete to do a training camp somewhere else or leave that place or...

Yeah, I think I had a good answer to this when I read it, but now I just can't think of it. I do think Eric is right, though, that the issue. issue isn't so much six people in a lane, which is a lot, but it's that six people of different speeds in a lane. And so if the pool can be a little more strict about getting, putting yourself in the right lane, I feel like this problem kind of solves itself. Yeah, like I'm sorry, sir, but you are just not fast lane material. But the medium lane is right here and I think you'll fit in great. You know what I always blows my mind? How do you do that cordially to use this person's word? What always blows my mind in a great way is when I'm at a pool where the people at the pool are so obedient of the lane speeds that even if the fast lane is empty and the medium lane has two people in it and the slow lane has three and they consider themselves a slow swimmer, they'll go with the slow even though the fast lane is empty.

That's that's insane to me. That's the kind of person you should be. I am not that type of a person. If the slow lane is empty, I'm going in it. Yeah. part of the problem. I'm part of the problem. I saw a great, I can't remember it was a bumper sticker if it was just a tweet, but I saw a thing.

If you're in traffic, you are traffic. That's right. You don't stop complaining because you are the problem. Unless you're in a helicopter above looking down at it. It is really tough because I think the opposite problem, like, which I also often create, not often, but sometimes create as me going or Eric or any of us three going in the slow lane and really intimidating people that are there to do a slow. aqua jog or a slow swim or an old person that doesn't want to get splashed. I mean, the opposite problem exists as well. Yeah.

And everyone thinks that their workout is more important than another person's workout. And that's where the pool is agron is. Our workout is more important than your workout, everybody. I'm just like we are the one people. It is true. That is true. I'm being that mostly jokingly. No, I don't think that's true.

I don't think that's necessarily true. It's just completely a joke. Speaking of important workouts, Eric, we didn't get a chance to actually hear about your training. Oh, I got Nick all frost up on hearing about my long run today. Well, yeah, and we said let's save it for the pot, you know? So here we are and I want to hear about it. I did leave you hanging. I'm in the final week of training for Black Canyon 50K, so I did a heinously long run today.

That my coach, Paulo, actually wrote down the incorrect number of minutes. It created a whole thing with Paula and I get into our massages on time. And Flynn really reaped the rewards of this by having an extra, extra, extra long walk after Paula's run. But it ended up being 35K long. And the premise of the thing... That's like 21 miles. No, more. I don't, you know, yeah, I don't know how many miles it is.

But I set a PR in the 30K. So that was good. I'm getting better every day. It was a 25-minute warm-up and then 40 minutes at... what is effectively going to be about the race pace that I'll be running ideally, and then five minutes at aerobic pace, and then 30 minutes at that race pace, and then five minutes to aerobic pace, 20 minutes, five minutes, five minutes. And that got me back to the car at two hours and 20 minutes, not two hours and five minutes.

So I was a little bit tired, knowing Paula would be a little bit upset, but I executed it, I think, really well. I notice it's not on your Strava. I'm trying to stock the imperial system paces that you may or may not have on there. I can make it public for you real quick here. But I wore some shoes that I'm considering wearing. I have like three or four different shoes that I'm considering wearing from Solomon.

Plus one pair that I'm testing out from Hoka that a buddy who works at Hoka hooked me up with. Are they not speed goats? Thank you, Nathan. No, they're there freaking super duper, Jim Walmsley. carbon-plated thing in a jiggie. You should probably say what they're called if you ever want to hopefully getting sponsored by Sooka.

I think they're called the Tecton X-3. Very nice. I'm not even going to title this just so you can just see it real quick now. You can make a lunch run after this. Lunch troll run. All right, 21.79 miles at 6.31 per mile. Yeah, it was quite literally through my lunch. That is fast.

Oh, you got a little fastest, you got a little KOM here or a CR. Potentially. Yeah, yeah. But I've, so my friend Jesse, who consulted me and helped me do the strategy and all the things for the Smith Rock 50K, he said he's been talking to some of those people on the inside and whatnot and looking at start list. And he thinks that this 52 kilometer race could potentially be in the 320, three hours and 20 minute range, which would put it at about 355 to four minutes. per kilometer average for 52. So there are some super fast people doing it? It's going to be stacked.

Yeah. Okay. Eric, maybe this is probably a question for off the air, but maybe this is entertaining for the listeners as well. Wadi was suggesting that I could pace Heather for 19 miles of her race. Yeah. I'm thinking that is not a possibility for me. Not only have I, even in my best shape, I couldn't do that, but I haven't been running much. 19 miles?

Did he suggest to you what pace she might be running for that last 19, I think it was the last 19 miles. No, but I know Heather well enough to know that it's still going to be fast. I mean, here's the thing. You jump in and assuming there's a bailout point, you run with her as long as you can keep her company and, you know, be in a good mood and make sure she doesn't a trip on a rock or like, you know, whatever your instructions are. And then if you blow up, you blow up. Like this happened. Chelsea Burns at Western States, fantastic, you know, almost Olympian quality triathlet, does trail running and stuff now,

was really struggling to finish her entire leg pacing Heather at Western State. So like, that's okay. Oh, boy. So if she couldn't do it, I'm going to make it half a mile. Okay, that's going to be after the conversation I have with Heather.

Okay, thank you though. I appreciate that guidance. Wait, Nick, you didn't say no right out of the gates. There's absolutely no way you can do that. I'm not going to sugarcoat it. Yeah. Like, seriously. Well, if she has no, if she has zero other options, then I can, I can help her for a mile,

but she should probably find someone else, maybe I'll tell you that. Great base. Keep it up. You're doing great. Let me just throw up in the bushes over here. Throw a gel at her. Yeah. Oh my God. Great. Okay, okay.

Well, that's settled. With all due respect, though. With all due respect. There's no respect to. You're wearing a real championship t-shirt, but like I really don't think you can do that. I agree. Especially on like a fast. course like that.

Yeah. But I guess I should say, if that wet your palate at all, this week's video will have a little bit of a treadmill run that Nick helped me film, a little bike workout that I did with Paula, business pilot, Paul's bike workout. And I'll go a little bit into how I've been training for this as I put out the final video before Black Canyon. Sweet, sweet, cool.

Next question here is from Alex from Indiana. Hey, Paula, Eric, and Nick. This is Alex. I'm 17 and still in high school sports, cross country, swim, and track. My brother, Caleb and I are huge fans of the pod and we recently got ourselves swim caps and I've been using them during swim season.

Okay, 17 year old, listening to the podcast, wearing a TTR swim cap makes me real happy. Winning. We're winning. That's awesome. You talked about running in flat-footed shoes, namely Rogers, talking about the Federer,

Roger Federer Ons, and that got me thinking because me and my dad have both gotten a little into barefoot running. I also read Born to Run, by Christopher McDougal. So what are your guys opinions on barefoot running as a form of injury prevention and as a way to train? Thank you so much, Alex. Have you read it by the way?

No, I haven't. Yeah. Yeah, I have it. It was given to me and I was just still haven't read it. I didn't at all think that I needed to start barefoot running, but I thought I was at an interesting read. I think I read it back in like 2012 or something. My second Olympic triathlon, I think, there was a guy there who did really well who did the run, and quite a bit of it.

It was around Lake Coia, the same lake as Indian Wells. And immediately got carried away on a stretcher with a stress fracture. He was fine. He was chilling. I mean, for as long as you saw, my take on this is, like, it's a great drill to do at the end of a run. If you can run around on, like, turf at a track. But, wow, it's just, like, I'm going to go running barefoot around the world in play. Just, I don't know, pretty risky.

Paula, is this interest you even in the slightest? Barefoot running? Yeah. I think running really has like trends as most things do. And that was a trend like back in the day, but now the trend is more like Cloud Monster Cush. Right, quite the opposite. I do think there is a, there is an aspect of strengthening your feet muscles and your bones and your tendons and your feet and making them resilient in a way that doesn't rely on Cushy shoes. necessarily. But I think running in bare feet or minimal shoes or vibrams or whatever that phase was

is to me too risky. Yeah, fair. And you can do a lot of footwork in the gym that makes your feet strong without like taking that risk on of running in really, really minimal shoes. Or do like 10 minutes in a really clean grass field at the end of your run or something. Exactly. But going and doing a full run with minimal shoes is really... I think it's part of the reason why we see less and less run injuries now is because of the shoe development and carbon-plated shoes and extra cushioning shoes. So good for running on pavement, which most people do.

Yeah. What do 100% not I recommend doing this on pavement at any point? Yeah. Okay, cool. There you go, Alex. Next question is from Sebastian. I have a question about wetsuits. I bought a wetsuit and have used it once.

in a pool session to see how it feels slash fits. See what I did there? Yes, I see what you did there, Sebastian. The slash from death. Bringing it back. We are not bringing it back. Anyway, I think it feels fine. My only concern is the water

that comes in. Almost like the chest area gets some water inside and feels weird. Is this normal? Any tips or suggestions? Thank you for all you do for the community, Sebastian. Paul, I remember you mentioning this with one of the wetsuits, but only when you were flip turning. This should

It shouldn't really happen without, like, just regular swimming. Open water, yeah. Well, it does if the wetsu doesn't fit you properly. Well, right. Yeah. Under normal circumstances, it shouldn't have water coming in consistently. It's not bad to have a little bit in there just to start or to like help move it around to get in position, but it shouldn't be coming in consistently. Yeah, some of the, some wetsu brands have a higher neck than others.

Some have a tighter neck than others. You know what I'm talking about? have a tighter everything. Yes. But I think that's, it's really tricky to try wetsuits out. So that's, you can't like, you know, see what one fits your body the best and see which one doesn't let water in. Orca doesn't for us, but. If this makes you feel any better, I have yet to swim in a wetsuit that does not let some water in when I do a flip turn and push off the wall.

Yeah, yeah. But I'm sure this person's talking about swimming open water. Well, they said they tried it out in the pool. Oh, okay. Well, if you try it out in the pool, yeah, most suits will let water in when you flip. So don't panic. Because it really contorts the suit when you're in an upside down position and it's all crunched and that's never going to happen open water. So you're probably fine. But pay extra attention to how you fasten the back of it. The neck. Like the Velcro, just make sure that that's really intentional. Like the person that's helping you do your wetsuit up, don't let them do the Velcro. Like you handle that because you want to make sure it's really. in a good spot, tight enough, but not too tight, etc. And you should be fine open water, I think.

It's not even necessarily the brand of the wetsuit, but also just the fit of the wetsuit. You might have one that's a little bit too big for you. Because you tried it on and the small was too tight and the medium felt more comfortable at first, but they do stretch a bit. So I don't know, there's so many factors. But you should be fine, open water.

Great. Great. Next question here. Hi, guys. Chris from Lankashire. or Landshire or land. I don't know how these places are pronounced. UK.

Love the podcast. Recently joined your TTL support crew from doing Roth and Iron Man Wales this year. So listen a lot while I train. My question is for Eric, but would love all your thoughts. You can't say that. Why not?

You can't say that. Say what? Question is for Eric, but you guys can all answer? No way. I'm not answering if this is for Eric. Okay. Well, I think...

Challenge accepted. We'll see if who has experienced. experience this. Do you ever experience front wheel tire wobble at high speeds going downhill? And how do you stop or counter it? It's happened on TT bikes and road bikes before. So is it me or my tire choice, tubeless, etc.? Wow, never even consider that. Thank you for your insight. Have this ever happened to you on a bicycle, Eric? The only time this has happened to me on a bicycle is back in like 2014 Rim break, Argon 18 bike

riding hands off TT bike at like over 30 miles an hour. Never has happened to me while having hands on the bars. And then when, that's funny because what I've heard, because this happens in motorcycling, I think, more than cycling, it's usually because your hands are like stiff and not letting the bike do what it wants. But for you, it's the opposite.

Like you're letting it naturally move and that's what caused the bubble. I think the reason that happened is really because like a TT bike is designed to be ridden with a weight pretty far forward. Oh. You know, on the wheelbase. And I was fully sitting back on the bike at high speed. And it's like that just gives the front wheel too much, you know, ability to do whatever the heck it wants. And were you able to catch it? Yeah.

It was a bit alarming. But yeah, caught it. this happened to me yesterday. No. Yeah. Yeah. What? But it wasn't speed wobbles.

It was just the wobbles. Oh. I was riding. So you are chiming in on the question. Yeah, I'm chiming in because I had a traumatic experience and I forgot to tell anyone about it. Of course. Nobody even knows about this. These are the experiences I want to know about.

Well, I was truly terrified. I could have died. Of course. I could have died. I was riding my crux on a slight up. and my front wheel and it was after I was doing max sprint so I was kind of tired

my front wheel hit a pine cone and just kind of stopped and my hands were loosely on the bars and they fully went over the front and my bike started wobbling. The nightmare. Like do do do do do do do do and my front arms were like fully over the front bar

there was a car coming on the side I was like I'm crashing I'm crashing I'm going to crash and they're not the same thing the people in that car were like that could lay he's crashing. Yeah. Because I was just going like speed wobble style all over the road.

But then I saved it. I saved it. How long between when you went wobbly and you saved it? How many seconds do you? Would you think? It felt like 10 minutes. Right. Yeah, of course.

But like over under three seconds. It was probably like eight seconds. No. That is a harrowing experience. Yeah, because then I thought I saved it and then I lost it. it. Like, it was scary. God, man.

Whoa. The one time I'm not there with a camera, recording your every move, you do the fun stuff. Paula, this reminds me exactly of when you crashed in a race draft. Don't talk about, we're not talking about this.

That scares me too much. That was the same thing, though, right? In Beijing, yeah. Speed bubbles. Oh my gosh. When your bike is wobbling, it's so scary. Yeah.

Yeah. So why do you think this person's bike is wobbling? Is there a piece of shit? I honestly don't know. I don't have a great reason for this other than like geometry weirdness. Yeah, because I've never had it even start to happen on a bicycle. I've had it happen on skateboards, but never on a bicycle. Yeah, skateboarding, terrifying.

Do you think it could be because their wheel is not cranked in enough or like not tight enough? I mean, that would be. And is it more likely that their wheel sucks or their bike sucks? It's bike. Oh, it's bike. Yeah, assuming that you're. spokes aren't completely loose and floppy. Like you can go, like, you can go flick them

and hope they all make the same noise or just squeeze them and see if there are any that are... What I would do if I was this person is take your bike to a bike shop and tell them to go through it. Sure. Because that is, you don't want to crash that way. That is so scary. It is completely worth your time and money

to go and get it looked over. And they might notice something really noticeable on the wheels or something. I've never heard of just being consistently a problem. Nope. Me neither. The TTL podcast gives you full permission to buy an Sworks tarmacs. Which is what I'm also looking at, by the way.

So let's do it together. How about that? You'll never get speed wobbles with the tarmac and zips. I guarantee you. If you do, we'll give you your money back. There's terms and conditions to apply there. There's fine print to that promise. But, okay, next question here is kind of a fun one.

Hey, team, how many timbits do you think you can eat in a 24-hour period? You can exercise and can sleep when. My friends and I have dove way too deep into this discussion and would love to hear your answers. Thank you for all you do, Haley. Okay, for the uninitiated. Well, Paula, do you want to describe what a timbid is before I give the scientific explanation of what a timbid is as a Canadian national? Yeah, if you're Canadian, this is a ridiculous thought that you might not know what it is, but it's a donut hole. It's like the inside of the donut.

Right. But in Canada, we have Tim Hortons and they sell timbits, which is a cute little. donut holes that come out of the inside of the donuts. So it's Tim Horton brand donut holes. Right. And so the technical definition, as per Merriam-Webster, just kidding, it's not Merriam-Webster. But timbits are bite-sized donut-like pastry sold at Tim Horton's coffee shops. The nutritional content of timbets varies depending on the flavor.

But here are some general nutritional values to help us guess how many we could eat. 70 to 80 calories per timet. 3 to 4 grams of fat per timet. 10 to 12 grams of carbs per timbid, 5 to 7 grams of sugar per timet, which isn't really that much, 1 to 2 grams of protein per timet, and about 100 milligrams of sodium per timet. So if this were a challenge and it was your sole focus for the day, would you, first of all, would you include exercise as a tool to help you eat more of these? Or would you just focus on sitting horizontal all day, shoveling timbits into your mouth?

So it's a 24-hour period. Yeah. So if you're really committed to the challenge, you're not sleeping. Probably. I'm willing to do what it takes. I don't know, like a hundred? A hundred. A hundred?

Oh, my God. I have 723. 723. Three, Paula, not a chance you can do that. Yeah, because I'm eating a timid every two minutes for the entire day. You can't do that. You're tapping out after 40 minutes of that. We'll have to wheelbarrow you into the ER.

There's no way you can do that. Jesus. $7. Because I calculated that based on eating one every two minutes. Did you say $723? And not sleeping and not doing anything else. sleeping. You got to be eating while going to the bathroom.

That's 58,000 calories, Paula. 58,000 calories. Yeah, I am sitting on the toilet and eating a timid every two minutes. That's the best answer I've ever heard on this podcast, though. Wow. I think 100 is probably what I could do. What? That's so few.

8,000 calories. I can eat 100 for dessert. 100. Yes. Oh, my God. I don't think you, we need to like go get a box of 100 of just like 20 10 bits. You guys are so weak. Here's the goal.

We're a week. Oh, I'd love to see us actually go toe to toe on this one, Paula. You think you're so confident in your bike skills? This is where my skill set comes in. Okay, so you're eating 10 an hour for 10 hours and then you're going to bed. That is so easy. Okay. First of all, who's sleeping 14 hours?

So this is the, you're changing the rules here. Here's what I say. Okay. T-100 Vancouver. If you get. top three at T100 Vancouver you actually have to try to eat 10010 bits in a day since it's

so easy you guys I'm not podiuming at T100 I'm winning an Iron Man you're scared you're scared you're safe for taking this bet if you podium I'll do it yeah same same a hundred oh my gosh I would love to try that that's a lot I podiumed a T100 and it's obviously not a

volume issue it's a sweetness issue I think it's also a volume becoming ill I don't think it's a Oh, interesting. I forgot about this. They're still light and fluffy. I forgot about that part. Yeah.

Wow. Okay, that got hated. Well, this is what that guy was saying, like, they go way too deep with his friends about this. This is a funny question. Yeah. Because I'm not over talking about it. Like. Because what time is it?

A strange turn of event. Paul was like, can we stick out on this question? Wow. Wow. We'll resume after off air. Off the air for TTO a night. Maybe we can make that a subscriber special. The extended timbits

Discussion Fantastic Next question here is from Antony Hey TTL, I'm an ultra runner But have done a few tries And listen to the pod every week Thanks Anthony

As someone that isn't the fastest runner But doesn't know how to quit I've been getting into backyard ultras Oh my gosh You guys know about backyard ultras No way I have seen too many videos on this stuff And these people are out of their minds

A 4.17 mile lap Every hour On the hour, on the hour, last runner standing wins. With an interest in Ultras, is this something Eric would ever try? No, it's never in a million years. But four miles is like longer than I was expecting.

I was expecting like a one mile loop. Yes, it depends. Like these things, they'll change it up. No, that is like, you know, no offense, but that's just like kind of the opposite of what I am excited about with ultra running. Especially the lap nature of it. Yeah, it's not about the distance.

It's about exciting courses that go cool places. And yeah, it happens to be kind of long. Yeah, but power to you, man. If that what gets you going? That's some mental fortitude. That's amazing. Okay, moving on quickly. Quick question.

Thoughts on vest or backpack that I can use for longer gravel rides, like Mid-South 100 and Hot Runs. I live in Texas, so hot running is common and needs to be lightweight, but I also would like a bit of storage for shedding a layer while gravel riding. Brand recommendations or anything? Thank you. So, Eric, what did you use, for example, for your mountain bike, 100-mile race? You use the jersey, right?

Yeah, so Kestelli makes a sick bike jersey that you can slide a one-liter flask into, like, a camelback style, you know. That's like the most performance-y version of things, right? Yeah, and it's like if it's a cold blad, you know, if got ice in there, it's like straight on your back, feels real nice, but it's not, certainly not a running, you know, multi-sport solution. Yeah. the year before you didn't have the Costelli one though right you did use a backpack what did I do the year before I think I just had bottles the year before oh really yeah I didn't do I didn't do a camel back then I was I was like not that hadn't really occurred to me well well I'm like if you want something that is going to be good for running as well I think you really just need to go with a running vest like go with a pretty robust running vest and then you can just wear that on the bike and it effectively is kind of like a camelback sort of a, you know, a bladder situation because like the nipples for the running vest are like so close to your face. You could, I think, get your mouth on it and use it while riding.

Yeah, interesting, yeah. Especially if you get, like, they have ones that, like, the nipple is actually like a long straw. So you can like fully get it into your mouth. It looks like alien antennas. Yeah. Like flopping around. Yeah. But I just, I actually had the Solomon page opened up because I was,

like considering by getting a new pack for this trail run. And they've got something that's like ADV skin cross-season race flag. If you get on their site, they just have a lot of options. And like I also know that Usway, I think they make a couple of might make a running thing now too. But they've got packs that are kind of designed for like I'm going on a like a run that is like maybe do a hut. And this could be like an all day slash do the night like a, you know, UTMB. length thing where you need to be able to carry a change of clothes. And I think that's probably going to check your box.

Nice. For being able to carry stuff in the back and then have the bladders in the front, potentially add another blatter in the back. That's what I would do. Nice. Cool. Okay. Next question here is from David. Hey, team, I just finished watching the new video of Eric's FKT attempt. It was an amazing video with fantastic storytelling.

Eric has said that he takes inspiration from ski and surf films. What are some of your favorite recommendations for films or videos that you like to watch if we have not watched any of them before. Thanks for everything you do, David. Man, that's just hard to view from Blue Moon. Love that. John John Florence, absolutely beautiful cinematography. What's the Irish one that we both love from behind the lens?

That's like really short and sweet. Dark side of the lens? Dark side of the lens, yeah. Is it named Mickey something? just fantastic narration and everything. It's like from a photographer's of a surf photographer's perspective. I like stuff that Sherpa Cinemas does,

like all I can or into the mind. They have like fantastic ski films. It's pretty goofy, but there's a film called Shredbots. And anytime that I just want to be like be in a good mood, I put that on. There's like totally a reverent crew of snowboarders, like very fun, a lighthearted,

great skiing, but not this like overly pensive, overly, you know, serious sort of a thing. That anything that Brandon Seminoch puts out in the mountain bike category, fantastic and short. I also want to plug a film that Eric and I made a couple years ago now in Kona

called Where Aerobic Meets Creative with Foreign Rider. It's also a short watch. It's on YouTube, like five minutes long, but I thought that was a pretty cool little time capsule of something about multi-sport that felt a little bit different. Yeah. I'd recommend that.

Also, I was thinking about my favorite trail running film so far. It's a film called Coming Home. Eric, have you ever seen that? It's Patty O'Leary. He does the Wicklow Round in the Wicklow Mountains near Dublin, Ireland, and it's like this, you're not allowed to use a watch. You can use like a compass and a map, but he does this fastest known time there. Yeah, it's so cool.

Love that one, too. That's neat. Yeah. The Thereabouts films, but with the Lockland, like Lockland Morton, Gus Morton, Gus shoots and edits stuff, and Lockland is kind of the hero these days, but thereabouts was like actually the film that got me thinking that I wanted to make films about triathlon and endurance stuff. And they've got theirabouts, they're about two, theirabouts three.

But one is the OG. Yeah. Sweet. Okay. And the last question here, dear tripod, you are the bastion of light that shines brightly every Thursday. And I'm so thankful for the quality and dedication that you put into your content every week. Oh, wait, I wrote this question.

No, I'm just kidding. How do you feel about substituting elliptical machine and aqua jogging for running during periods of injury? I wonder if these sessions are specific enough to benefit my running or if it would be better replace them altogether with more swimming and biking. Thank you much love, Sacha, from the Sunshine Coast, BC. Guys, we might have to rename this show. What? It might have to be the tripod.

That's too good. It's so good. How do we not think of that? Dang it! The tripod with TTL. It's so many things. It's the pod. It's try.

triathlon. It's a tripod like in photography. I mean, so many layers to that. I know. I love it. Yeah, I personally think that both water running and elliptical are a good substitute for running. I think the arc trainer, if you ever tried that, is a little bit more applicable to the motion of running than an elliptical runner. But the reason I like the elliptical machines or the arc machines a little better than water running is because it feels like you're doing a workout like you're sweating and you can get your heart rate up higher when you're buoyant in the water it's a little bit harder to get that feeling like I just did a run whereas on the elliptical

you can kind of mimic that a little bit more so that's kind of half the battle sometimes with injuries is just mentally feeling like you're doing something that's not making your injury worse but it's still progressing your fitness and you can get your heart right up

pretty high on the arc in the elliptical so I've used that a lot in my life, but to the point where now I'm burnt out on it, and I would absolutely never use it as cross-training unless I'm injured. I see. Triathletes don't really have to cross-training, and we're doing so much activity, but I think a lot of professional runners do use the arc trainer as a cross-training device. To get the heart rate up and to do a second session with a low impact. But you personally would probably just bike more and swim more.

That's 100% what I would do. That's what I've done in the past, guess. but I've also used elliptical and arc as a sometimes thing. I mean, it's kind of the silver lining of being injured in running when you're a triathlet is that you can get so much better at cycling and putting a focus block on that.

You've gotten insanely strong through periods of not being able to run for a couple of months, like just huge jumps in bike fitness. Yeah, but at the same time I was doing elliptical. Yeah, but you weren't like doing the equal amount of like hours that you were running. on the elliptical. Yeah.

And that's the thing. It's the elliptical trainer. Putting you in there to check the box in your brain. Yeah. You're not going to get the same impact workout. It's not going to have the same fatigue effect as actual running. So you still can put extra focus on the bike,

even if you're doing a little bit of cross training on the arc trainer or whatever. It's probably not a bad idea to have some sort of weight bearing activity just for like other. And I think the arc and the elliptical are a bit weight bearing compared to cycling. Yes, exactly. Yeah. And the arc is the one that's like the suspended. type of elliptical where it's like looks like the things are like dangling.

It just has a non-circular motion. It's kind of like a little more like running. Yeah. To me it's like very awkward at first, but then once you get into it and you put the resistance up and stuff, I think it does actually mimic running a little bit better than some of the

elliptical trainers out there. Good question though. They're all good tools and I don't know. I think the biggest key for being injured though is not to go too crazy. on the cross training. Because your body does still need to heal, right? And if you're doing like 12 hours of elliptical a week because you can't run,

it's just taking your body longer to get better. Yeah, I often think that like when you get injured, it's not just because you ran too much. This is like too much of everything was going on. And this is a great, just like time for you to let things get back to normal. You know what my mind goes to this is this is an opportunity for you to also kind of like mitigate some potential future burnout with running or whatever. And like don't, you know, it's like, hey, just take a break from running for a bit.

And instead, you're then like doing this elliptical training instead, which is even less inherently pleasurable than running and like almost advancing it faster. The reason I think aqua jogging is so tough for triathletes is because you're already in the pool swimming for like 80 minutes. Yeah. And the thought of like staying in for another hour to run is absolutely awful. You'll turn into a raisin. So I think for runners, it's easier to wrap their head around going in aqua jogging because they never go to the pool. It's like kind of novel.

Yeah. But we're like fucking out of there after 80 minutes. So you don't want to stay. Yeah, right. You live at the pool. Yeah, I'm not going back to the pool, the water run. Right. Yeah, fair.

Great. Well, those are all the questions we had for this week. I feel like. Really? Yeah, that's it. I think it was about 10 questions. Wow. Okay.

Yeah, we were efficient. Except for our Timbits question. which we indulged in, just like we will indulge in Timbits, hopefully soon. Well, we bought a cake. Vancouver, here we go. We bought a cake at Costco yesterday for Flynn's birthday, but it was mostly for the humans.

We didn't let him have any of it. Mostly, yeah, all for the humans. He had plenty of his own things. And I was like, how embarrassing a cake from Costco, but it was so good. It's like heroin. Of course. Was it ice cream cake?

No, it was just a white cake with white icing. Like the kind of cake where you're like. Did you put Flynn's name on it? or anything. This is so bad for me. Yeah, we said, it's a happy birthday Flynn and we all ate a piece. But it's, you just can't, the nostalgic effect of eating that kind of cake when you're a kid from Safeway and stuff. It's just like, you can't get over that. It was unfathomably good. It doesn't even make sense.

1699 for a huge cake that'll last us at least two nights. That is outrageous. The calorie to dollar ratio there is unbeatable. Off the charts, man. Probably 50,000 calories. Yeah. I still cannot 500 at least. How many 10 bits you think you can eat? Okay, well next week,

we're going to come back with an other fantastic episode. Hopefully you guys enjoy this one. We're trying to up it every week, better than the last. It's a very mood dependent, though. I'm feeling it. I'm into it.

The news is like my new thing. It gives giving me meaning in the podcast. Yeah, when I used to just show up and have no idea what was happening, now I'm coming with a plan. He knows news that I don't even know. Yeah. And I read slow twitch.

I'm just not where I'm getting my names, baby. Thanks for listening, everybody. Bye.