That Triathlon Life Podcast - Triathlon and Zwift, 70.3 Oregon and PTO Canadian Open, river swimming, racing on hills, and more!

Episode Date: April 21, 2022

This week we start with a quick "Rapid Fire",  and then move into some questions about Triathlon. We talk about what makes zwift better that some competitors, Paula's Canadian accent, Alcatraz and LA tri, and more. For everything else head over to http://www.thattriathlonlife.com

Hello, everyone. Welcome to that triathlon life podcast. I'm Paula Finley. I'm Eric Loggerstrom. I'm Nick Goldston. And we are here on episode 14, I think. And we're going to answer some questions, talk to you about triathlon, talk to you about dogs, talk to you about anything that you've sent in this week. So we're pretty excited. Eric and I are both professional triathletes and Nick, what are you? I don't even know anymore. What are you? I don't even know. I've been editing video. I've been taking pictures. No, but mainly I am a musician. A Grammy winning musician, triathlon, photographer,

videographer, best friends with Trixie slash us. That's right. We're just getting the Trixie reference mention out of the way. We need to get it in there. It's a drinking game on this podcast. Once Trixie comes up, you take a shot. Bingo.

No, I really do want to get her on the podcast very soon. She's just about to leave on tour in Europe and stuff, but she was like, next time, when I'm back, we're doing it, and I want to talk about Bend on the podcast. is what she said. It would be fantastic if when we come to LA Try it, we could all just like do it.

She's not going to be there. That was great. That's right. Wait, are you guys both doing it? Because I got an email from L.A. Tri that had Paula's face front and center on it. I'm just doing the bike leg on a celebrity relay. Oh, the celeb. Oh, yeah.

Were we? Oh, that's what the problem? We were trying to get Trixie as the other celebrity. Yes. And it was the, she left the afternoon of the race, right? That was the problem. I was so bummed. I had that inspiration while running on the treadmill,

which is where I have my best thinks. Yeah. And it just, it, like, crushed me when I found out it wasn't going to work. I always know Eric's on the trainer when I get four essay texts from him, waxing philosophical.

Yeah. I can't help it. So how are you guys feeling as far as your, is your next race to L.A. try? No, actually, we're going to all the way back to Florida to do St. Anthony's before L.A. try. Want to go to Florida again? Let's party.

Yeah, that's a really cool one. It's another non-draft Olympic distance race. I've won it before. It's super fun. The homestays are awesome. So we'll head over and do that. And then a couple weeks after that is L.A. try. And then Chattanooga's the week after L.A. try.

Got it. And Paula, do you know if you'll be doing the Florida race, St. Anthony's? I have my flight booked. Okay. Got it. That's as far as we've gotten. It's a daily touch and go. Got it, got it.

Okay. Sorry, I just had some bike intervals. Oxygen's coming back to my brain very slowly. Tuesday is, I think, a rough day for all of us to be recording this. We had three workouts and massage. Yeah, yeah, Tuesdays are huge. We do a hard swim, a hard bike, and then just like, you know, limp around on the run for a little while.

And we do a gym session and we get a massage. And then we meet, we get takeout burritos and then we meet you. Before we go into our little game here, I was wondering, I had a question for you that I need to now implement. Paula told me that Paula told me, Paula spoke to Lindsay and Lindsay said that if I'm going to do an Iron Man off the little run volume that I usually do, I need to be really good at strength training. So I do have some strength training workouts that'll be twice a week. When should I put them into my schedule, do you think? Before and after like what would you try to avoid putting them or before or after, anything like that? Yeah, that's a really good question. And people have different answers to this. I personally think that it's hard because ideally you'll do it on a day where you have a rest day the next day.

So that might be on a day where you have a couple other hard workouts and do it right after them. So maybe you have like a long run on Sunday and Monday's a recovery day. You do it after your long run on Sunday. Or you have a hard day on the Wednesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, easy. Do it on Tuesday. I don't know. Something like that. That makes sense. For me, my long runs are on Wednesdays are my rest day. So I could do them after the long run. The reason that's that people like to do that is because you often get a little bit sore from doing a strength workout,

especially if it's like hard or if you're new to strength. So that just gives you the day after to use it as an actual recovery day and you don't have any pressure to like do a hard session on sore legs. But I did a pretty hard gym workout yesterday with my physio. And then today had a hard ride and I was super sore in my glutes and quads and it just takes longer to warm up. Like, I think you can still do hard sessions when you're sore, but you just have to make sure you really warm up properly and don't push through any bad pain, obviously. Yeah, my philosophy is always been like, I don't want to, like, do, have my gym session, like negatively impact my hard run workout, like too tired to run properly.

Right. But the idea is then you start doing gym and you get stronger and then you don't get as sore from gym sessions. Like when you first start it, you'll be sore. But then it should get better. How much do you guys try to lift heavy versus do a bunch of reps? Where is the right balance there? I don't think we ever quote unquote like lift heavy. Well, the new PT that I'm going to is kind of like a strength guy as well. And we've been doing like hex bar squats, which are really heavy. So it's like, that's kind of new to me. But the gym that we do with Aaron Carson with UCFid is a little bit more functional and we do use like

sort of heavy kettlebells but it's all at our house. You have a hair at home? Did I not see that? No, no, no. This is at the physio clinic. Oh, you go there physically. Oh, that's cool. This is a new thing like as of one week ago. This is as a good. Got it. Got it.

Cool. Cool. Okay, great. Well, the first thing we're going to do is a little bit of rapid fire. Usually Paula does these for Eric and myself, but I thought I would switch it up, flip the script, turn the tables, tables the turn, and do it to them. So the goal is to just answer as quickly as possible.

None of this stuff that we do where we just, we get a question and then we talk about it for five minutes. So first of all, straight up, pink or purple? Pink. Eric, stop philosophizing. Sorry, purple. I agree, pink. Would you rather be too hot or too cold? Too cold.

Cold. Coke from the bottle or Coke from the can? Bottle. Bottle. Who would pick can? I feel like the can's kind of... Actually, I don't know. It's like that...

Yeah. Like the... Yeah, there's something satisfying about that. That's true. Yeah. Thin crust or thick crust pizza? Thin crust. I think thick.

I mean, it has to be good thick crust. Thin crust is a little more fancy. Thick crust maybe is a little more satisfying. Yeah. I message or WhatsApp? I... I don't know. It's hard because I have very specific friends that I WhatsApp with and very specific friends that I message with. Usually the international is our WhatsApp.

I don't think I know what WhatsApp has advantages over IMessage, but IMessages is very easy. The only advantage is that everyone we know has an iPhone. In Europe, that is not the case at all. So they can't all communicate with IMessage, so they use WhatsApp instead. So this question is really international friends or American. That's why I thought Paula would be an interesting person to ask. In fact, she was a little divided on it. Road bike or TT bike? Road bike.

Yeah. Yeah, mostly, yeah, road bike. Bath or shower? Shower. Oh, man, they're just, yeah, I guess shower. They're different. They're different. I've never seen Eric in a bath in my entire life.

I have taken a bath. I'm the only person who's taking a bath in this house. I have not still taking a bath in my house, but Toby takes them. She loves them. But you guys have basically the world's night. nicest hot tub in your backyard too. So I feel like that's your, that's kind of like the bath. That kind of checks the box. Yeah. Checks the bath box. Except for then I get out of the hot tub and I still have to have a shower because I feel like I need to wash off. Yeah, that's right. Would you rather

have the extra hour of light in the morning or in the evening? Evening. Yeah, probably evening. Yeah, the evening is best. And in fact, in California, it seems like, actually nationally, I think they might keep daylight savings next year and beyond. So we'll never have those. like really early sunsets anymore. Last question, what's your favorite swim stroke? Definitely the butterfly. I'm just kidding. I'm sure there's people out there that do think of the fly.

I mean, all we do is freestyle for the most part, with a rare exception. Yeah, but I guess if you're like, okay, new rule in triathlon, everyone has to do X stroke. I would pick breaststroke because I grew up as a breaststroke. I grew up as a breaststroke. Oh. But I feel like breaststroke is such a specific stroke. Like, if you're good at it, you're good at it. If you're not good at it, you're terrible at it.

Yeah. So as a breaststroke, I think. Well, butterfly is even more of that, though. Like, if you're not good at butterfly, you're barely moving and you're drowning. I feel like that one's just more aerobically taxing, but breaststroke's actually the technically more challenging. Yeah. And isn't it way more leg-based? So if you're-

going to tie yourself out. Leg-based, but also like flexibility a little bit, like ankle flexibility, all of that. Do your hips do that? not. I just couldn't believe when my friend who was a breaststroke or in college taught me how to breaststroke, I was doing it completely wrong. You're not supposed to bring your arms back almost at all. Like they shouldn't come lower than your armpits. It's crazy. I want to bring them all the way down to my hips just like you do in a freestyle. Then what do you do? Then you got it well. How do you get them back up there? Yeah, well it takes a minute. But you know, you got to be calm, I thought. It's like a quick

stroke and then you streamline. I'm doing it right now. That makes, I don't, yeah, I don't, I couldn't make sense of it. When you, when you're a kid, it's, it's you, you scoop the, the, uh, the crickito and you put some in your mouth and then you go back to the front of the bowl. When I was a kid, I was playing piano, okay? So we all had different experiences growing up.

This is true. Are we still on rapid fire? Or we have we moved on to on rapid fire. That was it. That was it. Let's go to the first question here. The first question is from Steve Blake says, Hey guys, I haven't used it a bunch, but have you looked into a TTL Discord, Reddit, or maybe even slow-twitch forum thread. I could see Discord being a cool spot, but I'm fairly green

when it comes to it. With regards to some of last week questions with career trajectory, could you guys see yourself as race directors one day, or as leading race to something you're not into? Anyway, thanks for the super cool episode this week. He's talking about the YouTube episode. The scenes and shots were unbelievable and beautiful. Look forward to what you

all have in store for the rest of the year. Thanks, Steve. Thank you, Steve. Appreciate that. That was a lot of questions in one. Yeah. Yeah, the first one was about the Discord or Reddit or slow Twitch forum thread or something. I'd say I text Nick about this probably every other day, and we're trying to like, I don't really understand how Slack versus Discord versus Reddit work.

But the one thing I told Nick like a couple days ago about Reddit is that I don't necessarily like that it's totally anonymous. I would like people to be able to, like, if there was a TTR forum somehow, be able to say, hey, I'm in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Does anybody else want to go for a long ride on Sunday? and that would be lent itself better to having not anonymity. You can do that on Reddit and people do that on Reddit.

But the whole point, as an avid Reddreditor myself, the point of Reddit, it's not like Instagram or a forum anywhere where you have like where you do develop your own personality. It's really, it's every comment's kind of like a new thing. So it's not ideal for what you're talking about. It really isn't. and I don't know Discord well enough to know if it's ideal. But what we want is something where, you know, when the podcast is done, or when there's a product that is going to come out,

or when there's like a meetup of some kind, there's a place for TTLNH to go to be able to, like, communicate with each other with or without our supervision necessarily, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I don't know. If you have, like, recommendations on that, I think maybe don't send the emails to Paula, but you could direct message me on Instagram.

Yeah, I'm like, nope, nope, this sounds like more work. Nope, we're not doing it. Next question. Well, ideally it would be less work. It would be its own thing that we can interact with when we want to. Like, Eric has enough things. So send them to my Instagram where you will be met with positivity and love. That's right.

But yeah, so we're working on that. And the other thing was, do you guys see yourself as potential race directors one day? No. Actually, an interesting side note to this is my mom is the race director for the PTO Edmonton race. And she's really good at it. And I think a lot of race directing has to do with connections

like in a city where you're putting on the race. Connections with the city of Edmonton. Connections with the police department. Like being able to close roads. It's way more work than you'll ever, ever imagine. And as athletes, we roll up to races that are just put on seamlessly and roll very smoothly.

But the reality is that people are working literally 12 months in advance. of the race to make it goes that smoothly. It is so much work. It's a full-time job, to be honest. So probably not something I would ever want to do, but it is kind of cool to see my mom doing it. Eric, what about you?

So I don't want to be a race director. Like Paula said, there are people who are really good at that. But I would like to be like a race conceptualizer and promoter. You're like the creative side, not the hard work. If you're a race director and you want to put on a race that's cool, like I would like to help you promote the race and like blow it up and make. it a big deal. I get really excited about telling the story of why this course

is this way and showing it off and why is this grace cool, et cetera. But yeah, there's so much that goes into everything Paula said that you could just fully go down that road and never come back. I feel like Eric, maybe you'd be a good what's the word I'm looking for

like someone that they would reference not reference, but like on movie sets they have this where they have specialists in an area, like on a doctor show, they have doctors, a consultant, yeah. You'd be a good consultant. I think it would be very cool. Like when I think about having an event or something,

I think about like an event that somebody has an idea for, that they came to us and we put TTR on it and endorsed it and helped. And like I said, I helped make the race course preview video or something like that. But we didn't necessarily get fully into the weeds on it are ourselves, the two of us. Right. Okay, great.

Next question is from Jade. Jade says, Hey, guys, love, love the pod. I've got a couple questions for you. first off jade's reading my mind here first off am i missing something with swift the whole triathlon community seems to love it but i find it incredibly boring and prefer ruvie is that any pronounce it ruby i think so uh where it's ruvie yeah just like uh what was her name last week do you remember i that the girl that with an age it was r h something ryan ryan right and prefer ruvi where it feels like sorry ruvi where it feels like you actually cycling in a specific place. And it's not some weird cartoon town. Does Zwift have some extra features that I don't know about? What's the appeal? That's her first question. So we'll stop there.

Yes, Swift is the best. Ruby is not the best. I think my dad really like Ruby. Is that the one where it has actual images of climbs that go by as you're climbing? Yeah. Interesting. It's like a Google Maps kind of digitized slightly. It seems a little weird to me. I didn't love the idea. but some people really prefer that. Yeah, we had an experience with it during COVID when Ironman was doing virtual races for like they'd pick pros and put them against one another and we'd be racing on a little livi. We can't call it really.

I can't roll one time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're committed. And I just found it was a lot less developed than Zwift in terms of Zwift is so dialed with like you hit a hill instantly your kicker response and you're at a more resistance. I didn't think that Ruby was quite as sophisticated. And like, I don't know, the cartoon characters just looked very generic.

And in Zwift, you can make them look literally just like you and pick your bike. And what I like about Zwift is it's a community where a lot of people we know are using it. So I can log on and see like five people that I know other pros that are riding and join them for a ride. And you can message them and create a group ride. And the races and group rides are actually really fun and a good way. a past time if you have some boring trainer rides. I've sometimes just pick a random Zwift org mode workout and do it, like lower the FTP, so it's not super hard, but just use it as a guide. And a lot of the time, they guide you along with word cues and explain the workout to you what

the purpose is. So it's... You can do it. Don't forget to take a drink of your water. It's getting hard. Yeah. Oh, I remember that because the first time I'd ever done one was at your house. I did a ramp test And I'm like, fuck one, stop talking to me. I'm dying. Don't quit now. Yeah, thanks. Why don't you pedal, computer?

Okay, yeah. But I think at the end of the day for her, if you don't like the gamified thing, you're not going to like Swift, right? Yeah, the difference is like, one is a true video game with video game structure, and the other is like, if you want to do like a racing game

where you can race any track in the world versus you want just one track that is like, like video perfect 4K, then that's Ruby, I guess. Right. Like less options, but very realistic looking scenery. Right. Okay, well, so our second question is, I did my first Olympic distance aqua bike last month

and love it so much. Eventually I want to do a 70.3, but I hate running so much. So I have to psych myself up to be able to run even 10K, let alone a half marathon, yuck. Anyway, my swimming is slowly improved over the past couple months of training, but ideally I'd love to get below a two-minute, per 100 meter pace. What would your tips be for becoming a faster swimmer?

Should I be focusing on intervals? This is unrelated to not liking running. This is just a pure swimming question. I guess so, but I think there's a similar, my answer to her would be the same thing in both, I guess. Why don't you answer? My answer, as someone who really did hate running and got into it later in life,

like it sounds like maybe she has, is I think I made the mistake of, treating it like cycling where I could just go out pretty hard. I wasn't realizing that when I go hard on the bike, as soon as I'm done with the hard part, I get to coast. Yeah. And you really recover a lot. And I think it's much easier to recover from a bike effort than a running effort.

So I think my advice would be if whether or not you're like a developed aerobic athlete in another sport, in running, for a long time, I would say go out for easy runs, like really easy runs. Do not try to work as hard as you can every time because there's a big benefit to doing a lot of easy runs. And I also think it helps you not hate running as much. That really helped me a lot when I was just like, go out for like whatever it is,

like a 10 minute per mile pace and just run at that for like whatever, 30 minutes, listen to your music or have a conversation. And when you get back, your brain hasn't associated this activity with a horrible feeling. Yeah. And build that into your like neural pathways.

I think that that's the best thing I think for swimming, it's similar. If you're trying to get under two minutes per hundred, I don't think intervals are the solution to that. I think it's about swimming a lot. Yeah, exactly. I do think that in swimming, though, breaking up the swim into intervals,

not necessarily leaving times and going fast, but taking a break every 50 meters, say you're going to do 20 times 50 meters, but take 10 seconds rest of up for each one. You don't care what your time is, but taking that little reset, at the wall helps you push off and just feel like you've reset your stroke

and you can hold form and really focus on doing that well. And so don't be afraid to stop at the wall and rest while you're swimming. We do that all the time. Like we break all of our swims and intervals. We're never going to the pool and you're swimming for an hour straight. It's intervals in terms of just time and broken up but not intervals equals going hard. Hard, exactly.

It's amazing how silly your brain is. I have workouts where the whole things in the pool are done at the same intensity, but they're like 100 and then a 200, then a 200, then a 300, then a 300, then a 400, instead of just like swim 3,200 straight. But for me, the difference between those two are night and day. Oh, same with us. No, no.

I mean, we swim with a guy who's training for like a 50K swim. Oh, no. And he'll swim for three and a half hours and do like 12K. But it's, there's like eight sets inside of it. And it's exactly like that. You're doing like a 300, then 350s, and then $200, then $250 and then $100, and then $100. You know, and it's... You have to do that.

And you just, by the time you get to the end, you've done a lot, but you haven't realized it because you're like counting. Yeah. I would say the only time we're swimming straight without stopping is when we do open water swimming. Yeah. And then the maximum like repeat of something we do in the pool is maybe an 800, but not like several of them. And I would also say to Jade, if you're trying to get under two minutes per 100, probably drills would be good too.

Aerobic is part of it. But I do think most people are aerobically capable of that. It's just a technique thing that might be holding her back. Yeah. Any sort of drill that focuses on good body position will help a lot. Kicking without a board and a snorkel, pulling, stuff like that. Just get your legs from, stop your legs from dragging as much as you can. Yeah, but thanks for the question, Jade. Next question is from Elise Chu and Noah Schlesinger.

Hi, or Noah and Elise. Noah's from Eugene, Oregon. Woo! And has been following TTL since our college triathlon team went down in Triton Man in 2019. No way. How do you recover from workouts and do you have a specific stretching routine? Do you have any specific tools slash equipment? Also, do you hear Paula's Canadian accent?

We never really noticed it until we started listening to the podcast. And suddenly it became obvious to me. Once we started hearing her accent, we couldn't stop hearing Lionel's Canadian accent in his videos. Good luck with the rest of your season and we'll be cheering you on. I don't think I have it. Maybe I have a Canadian accent. But Nick, I mean, everyone, maybe like my accent is similar to West Coast America. East Coast America is different.

I hear it in a couple words, and I definitely hear it in the words that you choose. And I think when you're happier, and we're always in a good mood. Right. When we're doing the podcast, like it comes out more. You hear it more. Yeah, if I'm grumpy, I'm talking like this. You said, was it weird? We were like booking a hotel, and you said, have you determined your accommodations for

St. George yet. That's what you said or something. Have you booked your accommodations? Have you booked your accommodations? I'm like, I'm sorry, are you a travel agent? Like what? That's so normal. No. Because accommodations, now that you have, you can't just say, did you book your hotel? Because you got Airbnb. That's true. Yeah, but it's a very European slash Canadian thing. I think so. We would just list all the things. Where are you staying or something? We would be like, have you gotten your flights in Airbnb yet? Yeah. And then I'm trying to think of like, do you say pardon? Pardon? Yeah. No Americans say pardon.

When you're like, excuse me? I don't think. I don't know. Maybe sometime. And I think I've heard the accent a couple times, but you don't have it very strong. And neither does Lionel. And I used to live with a Canadian. So I've heard like a real Canadian accent. You guys have a pretty slight. Your mom says pardon. Okay. One thing you'll never hear a Canadian say is, huh? Yeah, that's a very American thing. Oh, yeah, that's great. Sorry, the first part of the question was a specific stretching routine for recovery. Yeah, we don't really have a stretching routine per se.

I have a little bit more of one. We have stretches that we like to do. And actually, Wahoo has a thing called Systems where they actually have a really good bank of recovery yoga and stretch routines to take you through. And to be honest, unless I have someone guiding me through it, I'm less like, likely to do it. Yeah. So I would recommend something like that, either systems by Wahoo or like even YouTube or something like that. Yeah, the classic move is like I'll start foam rolling and then within 30 seconds, like I've just using the foam rollers as a pillow. Right. Well, I've seen Eric, you have these hip issues. So I've seen you do a lot of foam rolling and stretching, especially around races sometimes.

But that seems to be a specific issue because of an injury that you have. Yeah. And what I try to do with that is not necessarily just like up and down, up and down, flush type. thing rather than like I know which muscles get tight and you do a thing called pin and stretch where you kind of like put some pressure on it and then you try to move that muscle through its range of motion. So for me that like a foam roller would definitely be number one recovery tool. I really like the Norma Tech boots. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if it's like the feel of them or the fact that they force you to sit down for 30 minutes or 45 minutes. Yeah. And Hypervold also makes like a massage gun. Lots of companies have them. But I,

I also really think that's a good tool for taking a races when you might not have access to massage or anything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Post-airplane is just a bad place. Do you want all the things when you get up the airplane? Do you guys do any like compression stuff on your legs during when you fly? We're supposed to wear like compression socks our coach says, but.

Kind of depends on the length of the flight. Like if we're going to China, 100%. Yes. And we might even bring like the travel normatics on the plane in desperation. But for like a two-hour flight, not so much. just get up and go to the bathroom a few times. Yeah, cool. Okay, great.

Well, next question is a little bit adjacent to triathlon, but what do you look for in a cafe? Outside of tasty bites and beverages, what makes you want to go to a cafe and hang out? Do you like having more soft seating or high tops, for example? But Eric and I were talking about this the other day. There's a few things, like if he started his own coffee shop, like things he would not allow, things he would encourage.

I was going to say, this could be an entire podcast. Well, isn't this question, this question's from Sean, right? Yeah. Yeah, so Sean does our, helps us with our monthly coffee project for TTR, and he's opening a coffee shop, right? Yeah, that's correct. He wrote it in here. It's just part of a long email, so I thought I would kind of cut to the question part. But there is a bit of a personal connection to the question.

So we might actually be impacting the layout of a coffee shop with this answer. Got it. let's be very careful, I guess. Yeah. It doesn't have to be soft seeding. I guess Spoken Moto, though, has some really nice soft chains. Yeah, like my current favorite coffee shop in town is actually a coffee shop slash motorcycle shop slash bar slash has a food cart pot outside.

It's like the owner's extremely ADD like me. But they do have, they've got a variety. I think having a variety of options, they've got some tall tables. They've got some shorter tables. They've got a couple couches, kind of like a whiskey bar or something with, you know, like a firepoint. place. So there's like kind of any vibe that you're feeling, but there's enough space to where you don't feel like you're on top of people. Yeah. And like good lighting is super important. You want like lots of

natural light. Not and like ideally a high ceiling, people always think better when you have more space. So you feel like more creative and that's people who go camp out of coffee shops. Really nice bakery display. Oh, definitely a very nice bakery display. Don't wrap your bakery stuff in in surround wrap. Hard no. Hard no on the Serrana app. Not a lot of coffee shops do that anyway. But then, I don't know, Eric sounds like, is really good.

I think there's one thing that Eric and I talked about is trying to somehow limit the amount of people who just show up with their laptop and stay for three hours. Especially, like, if you don't have very much space. If you have a wild abundance of space, it's less of a problem. But if you, like, the worst thing is when we want to go FICA, we want to just sit on a copy shop and like have a conversation. and like have a conversation and enjoy the ambiance. And you can't sit anywhere because there's like seven people and a woman's got like a power strip with like 12 things plugged into it and like an encyclopedia. That's too much. That's too much.

We had the conversation of like if you had a smaller area like limiting the Wi-Fi to 30 minutes or something like that or you have to pay after 30 minutes so the people aren't there for four hours. I like the idea. I think you said this about having a specific area designate. two laptops and an area that they're not allowed. That's a good idea. The coffee shop in Portland does that. Yeah, there's a coffee shop in Kelona that we like that. That's a whole house.

They've got one room that's like... That's so cool. Fully got like study hall vibes. And then the other room is like no laptops in here. It's just hanging out. So that's really cool if you have that amount of space. You kind of run into... It really depends on where your coffee shop is because if it's somewhere that's close to a

college, it's inevitable. There's going to be students studying there all the time. You can sit down. That happens a lot. And like in Tucson, that's... Tucson. Yeah, there's a coffee shop in Tucson that we like. It's right by the University. On like a weekday, insane. How many laptops are in there? It's crazy.

And what do you think about like a community table at a coffee shop where like people, I mean, I guess they could put their laptops there. But it seems like most coffee shops in L.A. do not embrace that. No, that's one of the things I like about Spoken Moto. They've got three big ones that are like a cafeteria style. And people sitting on, they've got like, eight chairs on each side. And that really, that's one. helps with a laptop scene. If you are on your laptop, you just sit next to all the other people with laptops. And meanwhile, the sofa chair is for the people who want to talk. It's funny because in my mind, I'm like, I like sitting at the community table because there's just even, I like the idea that there's a chance that a conversation might spark up with a person next to me. That gets me

excited. Sean also says, wearing my TTR shirt at the Boston Marathon Expo was awesome. I had more than a few people comment on it. I love being a part of TTL Nation, also known as TTL Nation. Thank you for creating something that really feels good to be a part of. You guys are the best. So nice. That's awesome. You're melting our hearts. That's awesome.

We love that. He's the best. He is great. If you've ever enjoyed it, if you've gotten one of our coffee subscription copy project bags, that's thanks to Sean. He's completely made. Like Nick created the podcast. Like I have a little bit of input and I help pick out the coffee for the coffee project, but Sean handles all the nuts and bolts.

Do not give me credit for the podcast. you pushed I did push I did push but we're all here every week it's not like I'm doing it yeah um okay great

Nick's like what time are we doing the pod what time are we doing the pod tonight I love it I love it it's always fun okay so where is Sean

building this coffee place by the way um good question man I actually it's gonna be in Washington oh man I don't even want to say oh in Washington state

okay got it who lives in Seattle man I want to say like ever Finally, a coffee shop in Seattle. Great. It's not in Seattle. It's like near. Seattle adjacent.

Okay, well, the next question is also from Sean, but spelled S-H-A-W-N, like Sean Spencer from Syke, if any Syke fans out there. Sean Dog. Like Sean White. Oh, is that right? I feel like the cool Sean spell at W-N. Okay, so his question is, hi guys, huge fan, love the pod. I was so excited to hear that you will be at Oregon 70.3 in July.

My question is whether you have any advice for a river swim. Oh, they do. I did Augusta 70.3 last year, and that was my first time swimming in a river. The current was insane, and I could not believe my watch when I finished the swim. For Oregon, I've heard that you're better off in the middle and that the current goes so fast so you have to actually watch out for trees, etc. If you are too close to the shore, do you approach the swim differently when it's in a river? Any other tips for relative river swimming noobie? Oh, actually, we won't be going to Oregon. Didn't realize it was a river swim. Yeah, we like swimming. So your tip for a river swim is don't worry about swimming training. You just basically just pop in the water, take a nap, and you'll make it to the end. Don't dedicate your childhood to swimming.

No, I mean, you're pretty much right. If you have a chance to go scope it out and can figure out where the current is the strongest and get inside of that, awesome. There's no upstream component at all of Oregon. I don't understand why they can't do that. Even if you swim upstream for like 100 yards. Right. But anyway, I don't know.

So whatever. Nobody cares about swimming. If they made the freaking bike 47 miles instead of 56, people, to have a connoption. That's true. Poor Eric and Paula, they're such strong swimmers. They never get to use it. Well, we're not even a strong, I'm not even that strong of a swimmer, but it does give me an advantage over some people that just gets narrowed if it's downriver.

Yeah. Yeah. doing the actual full 70.3 it gives us you an advantage. So I really, so now I really, I didn't not know it was a river swim. So now I,

of course it's a river swim though. So now I really need to do this race. I really need to do this race. Oh, Nick, you love it. That's my race. That's also flat, right? Yeah.

I'm pretty sure it's a real fun boy, so I would love a flat race. That'll be good. Also, we'll try to get you in. If anyone has connections in Oregon because it's full and we want to get Nick in, we're trying.

We're trying. Yeah. we'll do some great trades of any sort the timing for me would be perfect because the Ironman is then in September so having a 70.3 then would just be exactly right also Sean said after last week

Sean said I'm not going to share my resume slash data because it's totally embarrassing let's just say I'm a middle of the pack just finished with a smile age grouper thanks for taking time to do the pod I love your advice and banter help you both win Oregon nice me too

Nick I have a good plan B for you you could sign up for the PTO Champion Chotein St. Eminton's Sprint A-2 race It's not full Oh really Yeah It's a little hard to drive there though

I could drive to you I was going to drive to Eugene You can fly direct L.A. at Eminton Wow Or you just drive with me Are you going to drive up? Well definitely one of us is driving Yeah but we're going to be driving up

really far in advance But Nick honestly you can stay with my parents We'll pay for your flight We'll give you get a free entry This is not fair These poor fans are like, wait, what? He gets all this? This is not right. Do you want to spend four hours a week editing our podcast?

This too can be yours. In fact, Sean, come to Edmonton instead. Like everyone listening to this pod, sign up for Edmonton PTO age group race. It's going to be such a good race. Is it what's a distance? It's a 100K distance. And they also have a sprint distance.

Oh, 100K. Pretty similar to 70.3. Yeah, just under a 70.3. I hate to admit it, but I do think it'll be. be a cooler race than Oregon. The course for going in and out of the river valley in Edmonton, it's going to be really sweet. That's going to be an experience because Paul's mom is a race director. And also we're going to have a TTL Expo booth.

No. No. Yeah. We are really. Paul, you just get that. Wow. I can't believe that. That is so cool.

So if you sign up for the PTO race because of this pod, send me an email. Just so I know. it's cool. That's great. Or send an email to the Edmonton race director so they know. That's so cool. You know, it's not a terrible idea. I've never been, and it could be a fun, like, a whole thing.

All right. Yeah, because it's my hometown. It's my hometown. Yeah. And one of my best friends is also from Edmonton. So that's crazy. Okay, awesome. Well, that's that.

Next question. Hi. Eric and Nick, saying hi from Canmore. What? I was also born in Edmonton, so I have that in common with Paula as well. But that's pretty much where the similarities stop, since I'm just your average age grouper trying to break the six-hour barrier during a 70.3. It's mostly the run that slows me down.

Well, all three, but running isn't great. Girl, I feel you. Anyways, my question isn't about running, but it's about riding up hills. You would think since I've been living in the Rocky Mountains with the past six years that I'll be pretty okay at it, but I'm not. I always, always get past going up. I train based off power and I know I don't want to be burning all my matches going uphill. How much higher should I be aiming for? For example, if my goal is to average 180 watts for the full 90K, what should I be targeting for the hills? I mean, I think that the way that we

kind of establish where we should be targeting for the hills is when in the early season we'll do some eight by four minute hill repeats for strength work early in the season. You get a pretty good idea of when you stepped over the line and are going to pop. I think the number one way to get good at hills is to do hill repeats. Because it's such a different motion than riding on the flat and mindset and you're standing and your RPMs are lower and doing short, like relatively short, digestible pieces and then making them slowly longer as you get stronger, start with one-minute hill repeats, you know?

Well, that's all fine and dandy. But her question is, if she wants to average 180 watts, if you're trying to average, let's say, 250 watts, what are you going to try to do for the hills? Does it depend on the length of the hill? Does it depend on how hard the race is? Does it depend how hard the run is? Yes, all of the above.

That's why it's really hard to answer that question. Like, it's a bit of a feel thing. and you go based off of experience. And for our racing, it's a little bit different, too. For us, we kind of just need to go whatever speed the group is going. Right, that is different. We can't get dropped. Yeah, looking at your power meter on a hill is kind of hard.

And a lot of the time, I'll look at it briefly, and I'll be going way more watts than I think I should be going or feel like I'm going. That's what I've had happened many times, too. And obviously, I'm at a very different level. But I'm like 70 watts over what goal is to average going up a hill. And I'm like, it feels good right now. but is this a mistake? And I actually don't really know.

I mean, like, for her, maybe let's set a limit for her. If she's trying to average 180, what do you think she shouldn't go over for a hill? Like 220? Got it. Well, it depends how long the hill is. Like, in Oceanside, there's like a long hill. If it's like a three-minute hill, let's say, like, 230, 240, maybe. And keep in mind that if there's hills like that, there's also going to be downhills on the bike,

where you might average zero watts if you're just coasting. So that'll pull your average down again. So when you're talking about average watts of 180 Very hard to do on a hilly course. Yeah. And she also said that she has like no problem going downhill. She's her fastest speed going downhill is 82K an hour, which is pretty fast. That's fast.

That's great. So that's good. I mean, it's definitely good to go fast downhill. I've noticed that for me, I have a slight edge on people as far as bike handling goes. And the amount of people that I pass going downhill in races is insane because of how tentative triathletes are. I just picture. people that are on trainers all the time. So that's the nice thing about training the hills.

Like Paula said, you get fast going up and then you learn to go fast going down too. Yeah. And I think you can put more time on people on the dissents than you can by going marginally faster on the ups. Like Eric drops me on the downs like in a second. But on the ups, he can't really draw me that much.

Yeah. Yeah, you are a beast going uphill, Paula. I would say, I would throw this out there and either you guys can contest me on it. But if you don't have something like this in your schedule already, and you're far out from a race, try doing something like five by one minute or five by two minute hills at the highest average power you can for all of them.

And don't be afraid to blow up and kind of see where, just get a feeling for what does 240 watts for two minutes feel like or whatever it is that you can hit and start to try to dial in some perceived exertion there and just don't be afraid, like I said, to blow up and find that limit. Yeah, that's what we do early season. It's interesting you say that because now that I think about it, I could see a vast majority of triathletes just following their training plans so strictly

that they don't even know what 240 watts for her, for example, feels like. They've never tried it for more than 10 or 15 seconds, you know, getting out of the saddle for a second. And I remember when I was first riding and I was just riding by feel. Like I knew exactly how much I could hold for how long, just because that's all I had. riding by feel or also riding by not having a coach that prescribes very specific numbers. Like for our hard uphill intervals, our coach doesn't give us power goals. He just says hard. Or it's like a wide range.

So often you surprise yourself. Like, oh, wow, I can actually go higher than I thought I could. Tara finishes by saying, I'm really enjoying listening to the pod and hopefully can see you in Edmonton PTO race. I will be there doing the 100K distance. Awesome. Oh, yeah. What a coincidence. That's right. The Eminton PTO race has a short punchy hill in it

So that'll be good to train for in Canmore And also you're higher in Canmore than you're in Eminton So hills will feel easier in Emmington Oh I see So what's the elevation in Edmonton I don't we actually know But Camer's higher It's like probably similar to bend

No no it's lower It's lower? I was going to say like 3,000 feet I want lower Give me lower I'm over here basically under the ocean Training so I need as low as possible Evanton's 2,000 feet.

It's like, that's not, that's not bad. Yeah, I'm up at 2,000 feet here, sometimes on the bike. So that's great. Great. Well, next question from James. Hi, guys.

First of all, wanted to say hello and to let you know how much I enjoy the YouTube videos and also now the podcast, which is perfect to have when I'm on the trainer. I really appreciate what you're doing

by doing what you do, so don't stop. As someone who has got back into triathlon recently after a few years chasing numbers and getting stressed if I missed a session, I now totally get

that this is not the way forward and I'm approaching it with more a sense of enjoyment and just getting outside and trying to have fun. It's much more fulfilling. One question I have is regarding nutrition and there's been a lot of talk over the last few years about getting fat adapted by reducing carbon intake while still fueling workouts properly, just not eating as much whilst not working out. My question is, what are your thoughts on this philosophy and also how do you all personally go about getting the right nutrients to fuel your day? Thanks again, all of you, James. I feel like we've talked about, you know, our kind of our approach to nutrition and a little bit more intuitive on the podcast before. So this isn't going to come in a huge surprise.

Inside of workouts, like, I'm a little bit more scientific than Paula is. I try to just make sure that I hit a baseline of like 200 calories while I'm training. And I don't like pay attention. I'm not trying to go no carb or anything like that. I'm just trying to fuel for what I'm doing, like putting gas in the car. And then Paula is. I've actually been not taking more. gels on the bike lately.

That's good. And it's like noticeably makes a difference on the later intervals. Yeah. So we're definitely kind of more on the make sure that you have enough type of approach. And then outside of training, we make sure that we have a good recovery snack right after any hard workout. Like we need to work out for the most part. We do a lot of smoothies and stuff.

But then for the rest of the day, we're pretty intuitive and eat what our body wants. Yeah, we're not doing any like carb restriction to be able to burn fat. That might be a little more. important if you're racing an Ironman? I was going to say, I was going to say, I think for 70.3 athletes, it may come into play, but for people that are done as quickly as you guys are, it really is, I don't know if it's worth putting in the work and the compromise training that is fat-adapted stuff. Yeah.

I don't know if it's worth it for anyone, man. Like the risk that you, unless you have somebody managing it for you that's like a professional, like the risk that you run of being underfueled and just bonking, if you're a super, super scientific, like, motivated numbers person, and you feel like you can take that on and do it really well with a scientific approach. With the risk of it not working? Then great. But I think, I've seen enough people, like, have problems getting underfueled and having all sorts of hormonal issues with that versus, you know, the number of success stories with fat adapting. So that's our personal kind of philosophy. I remember reading a thing that was saying

that you could do a couple workouts a week fasted in the morning. But you have to be very careful about it and careful about the intensity you're doing the mat because if you do dig a little too deep, your body takes way longer than you would hope to recover from that. And you don't really realize it, but it's like you're like scraping the bottom of the barrel there. You guys don't do any fasted workouts?

No. No, I did it. We experimented with it for a couple months back in like 2014. I want to say we, my coach, Paulo, and our squad back then, and pretty quickly abandoned it. Because you would have that first fasted workout of the day. And then it would be so, so hard to have a quality session the next two workouts. It was just like the whole day was, I don't want to say a ride-off, but you couldn't do any more inequality. Yeah.

In fact, we did the opposite. We just, we do a swim and we're like, we need to get donuts and bagels on the way home. There's the Canadian bagels. There's the Canadian. Not only are we fat, we're donut adapted. I don't know what fat adapted even is. We're donut adapted. Yeah, I mean, I think it makes sense,

especially if you're doing multiple workouts in a day, to get carbs into your system as soon as you're done working out is like a necessary thing. But this is just a quick disclaimer that we are not professionals in this department. We're just strictly like relaying our own experience and our own... This is what's worked. And our own, yeah, exactly what's worked for us. So don't take our advice as,

like, oh, that's the final decision. Research it more. I don't even want to say that it's worked for you guys. I want to say that you don't even know if anything else has worked, right? Because you haven't ever really experimented with like a very structured nutrition thing, right? Yeah. You kind of have Eric? I guess not while in the professional phase. I did prior to turning professional. I had some eating things that I was working through and stuff. So I got very serious with a nutritionist, but not while being properly. Got it. Got it. Cool. Okay. Well, we have Two more questions. We've been talking for a minute here, so we'll try to give them the best answers we can.

Hey, Paula, Eric, Nick, and Flynn. Thankfully, they didn't say in that order. Paula, you've mentioned that you're mainly going to focus on races that will result in PTO points, whereas Eric has his eye on some non-PTO point races too. Will we be seeing one slash both of you guys take on Escape from Alcatraz this year? T-TL pop up in San Francisco if you're here. Thanks. Oh, boy.

A-O-I-F-E. That's an Irish name. It's an Irish name. I know how to say it because I know someone else that has that name. We're just ruining this person's name on the podcast right now. We're not making fun. We're actually just bad at names. It sounds like...

Ifa. IFA. IFA. Wow, we're not a guess that. Who just completed her first sprint triathlon this past weekend. Congratulations. Yeah, that's awesome. Eric will probably be doing Alcatraz. I definitely won't be. Don't love that race and there's just a lot of racing in the next few months. So that's one that's not going to happen for me. And therefore we'll probably not have a PTL pop-up just because I won't be there. We're not driving. It makes it really logistically difficult.

Yeah. But Eric, Eric loves that race. I love that race. Well, you've won that race. Yes, many years ago. And I'm still on the quest to win it a second time before I retire. So, but yeah, I'll be there. It's a really hard time of the year. Like, we, there's like eight races in like nine weeks that happen in like May, June. It's crazy. So we would both love to be able to do all of them. We've got to kind of pick a little bit.

And Eric, you have now two decent results that you now need one more to like, right? Because you need three, right? For the, for the, they just count your best three. Yeah. So basically if I have another race on par with Oceanside, then, then I should crack into the top 40 or within striking distance of getting like an invitation to race the PTO Edmonton race, which would be super exciting. So I'll be trying to get that score at either Chattanooga or Oregon.

Okay. I don't know. No, Oregon's, I think Oregon might be too late. Oregon's too late. But Tromba, maybe. Oh, yeah, Chattanooga, Tromblon. Tron Blant is probably the better race for me. I was feeling that it doesn't have a downriver swim.

but yeah, one of those two. Cool. Hope to get it done. Cool. Okay, and our last question from Kristen, and this is something that I've wanted to ask you guys at some point of the podcast. I'm glad she did.

She said, I'm loving the podcast so far and look forward to a new episode every Thursday morning. I got into triathlon last summer and did a handful of sprint and Olympic distance and of course got hooked. I used my road bike that I was gifted seven years ago, used, so it was time for an upgrade. I bought a gravel bike over the winter,

and tending to throw on road tires and get clip-ons to make that work, but recently scored an amazing triathlon bike for an incredible deal, which I'm still in shock about. The question for us is, how often do you train with your triathlon bike? It seems so fast and unstable

that I'm almost nervous to take it out on the roads, but I know I obviously need to. Do you have specific rides that you do with specific bikes, or should most training be done on the triathlon bike? I still have my older road bike, brand new gravel bike and now basically a new triathlon bike. So just not sure when to be riding what. Thank you so much for all your insight on the podcast.

So so helpful, best Kristen. What a good question. Yeah. So before Paula gets super snarky on this or whatever, I just want to say, like, you should probably ride it enough to not feel nervous on it. Like, number one thing. Just get to the point of where you are comfortable

and you don't feel like you're going to tip over. Yeah, I agree with that. I would say that in terms of bike fitness, There is a lot of crossover from the road bike and the gravel bike to the time trial bike. And we do a lot of our, even our hard sessions on our road bikes, especially hill repeats. Personally, I put my TT bike on the trainer. So if I'm doing Zwift rides, intervals, I'm always an arrow on my TT bike because I feel like that just gets you the most used to using the muscles that the TT bike uses. Although it helps you 0% in getting comfortable on your TT bike on the road.

So I would say as a race approaches, use it more and more. And not for fitness reasons or muscle reasons, more just for comfort and confidence in it. You don't want to get to a race and have really great bike fitness, but your limiting factor be that you're scared of your TT bike. And I do get also, like me personally, I ride a lot better in races because there are technically closed roads and less obstacles to be scared of versus if you're riding on busy roads with cars and people, I do find the TT bike really scary in training. So that is something I try to get over, but just be strategic with the roots that I pick on

the TT bike so that they are a little less busy. I feel like you can feel this one out ultimately is the answer here. Like if you feel like you're a little bit nervous about the race coming up because you haven't been on your TT bike enough, get on the TT bike. But don't like necessarily, if you're not concerned about it, just make sure I think it is important to try to do, you know, in the last month, at least before your race, all of your hard sessions on the TT bike and ideally riding Arrow. Another thing to consider is like, if you're going to be sitting up the entire time on the TT bike, you might as well be

riding the road bike. You really want to maximize your time in the Arrow position. Yeah, that's a good point. Like, we've been riding our TT bikes now for five years, so we're pretty comfortable in Arrow in terms of like our necks don't get sore. We're used to it. But someone who is new to a T-T bike like you might be, you'd really need to get used to that position because it's so different than a road bike. So maybe for someone like a newer athlete with a TT bike, spend more time on it. Or even putting it on the trainer in Arrow is beneficial for getting your muscles used to that position, like I said. But if you're on your trainer and oh my God, I could talk about this for literally an hour. I know.

This is a big topic and I've wanted to dedicate some real time to this. Because as you're talking, I have more follow-up. questions that I'm thinking of that I want to know about too. Go for it. Just how about you? No, but I, let me just finish this thought. If you're on your trainer on your TT bike

in Arrow, doing an interval, don't look down the whole time. Focus on, like we have Zwift in front of us, so I'm like looking up a bit and are like looking into a mirror. But get your neck used to it. You're not going to be looking down on the road. Don't do that on the trainer.

Yeah. Agree. Do you think you get a sense when you're riding Arrow fast on the CT bike, do you get a sense for what positions are more or less arrow. I feel like I have the six sense on the GT bike where I'm like I can tell like oh actually my head's a little

faster like out in front and like I'm a little faster if I my shoulders are tucked in and forward like it's almost like the sound of the wind or the feeling of the wind I can tell a little bit and I think there might be some benefit to that too well Nick you're a very artsy

person. Okay Spider-Man my TTL senses are tingling there's there's one aspect of like just being in arrow that is faster than sitting up but you're right if you're getting into the nitty gritty like what's actually more aerodynamic what head positions more aerodynamic you can actually get a lot of gains from that and that comes from either feeling it or getting someone to ride with you and like take a picture to see like a lot of the time eric will ask me to take a quick video of him with two different head positions and then you can see which one looks more arrow i do i do think with certain helmets and stuff you can hear a little bit more

turbulence and like a lot of arrow stuff is a little bit common sense like the minutia is not but if your head's more in line with your body you're you're going to be more arrow than if it's like sticking straight up and you're yeah look in your shoulders turtle your head yeah stuff like that that all comes down to bike fit you know what we got to do next time paula goes to the wind tunnel we just got a sneak nick in there and we got to test all these things like with mr oh i can tell when i'm saving a lot right right and see if they're true because that's like what's kind of crazy about about wind tunnel stuff sometimes is you can see one person and you would look at their position and be like, there's no way that's fast, but it's fast for them and it might not be fast for another person.

It's kind of interesting. It's amazing. Like for some people coming up two millimeters can actually be faster for them. Not just, oh, it's faster because they're more energy efficient, but it can actually be more aerodynamically faster depending on how the airflow goes around their body. Yeah. Your shoulder blades like move. And you're seeing a bunch of people now getting like airburst tilted up. Like that's very trendy now.

The praying mantis kind of thing. Yeah, and also I think there's a mental component to that is that it feels way faster to have your hands right by your freaking eyebrows. I think so too. Because like that came and went in pro cycling like seven years ago with Floyd Landis and now it's back. It's probably faster. I kind of wonder if different speeds do help or hurt that. Like if you're going 32 miles an hour, then flat forearms are faster. But if you're going 27, then the praying mantis are fast.

You know, because like we said before, different speeds mean that different shapes are more, are faster for people. Yeah. That we're diverging a bit from her question. Oh, yeah. That's right. A good mix of how we balance like road bike, gravel bike, T, T, T, bike is our like aerobic cruise choice rides are usually on our gravel bikes. Some intervals, if they're uphill around our road bikes. And then intervals, like hard TT intervals around our TT bikes.

So we really, I'd say we're like exactly one third with the amount that we ride each bike. Would you say that, Eric? Yeah, I would say like early season, we ride the road bikes for the uphill intervals and then we slowly transition and doing all the intervals on the TT bikes. If you need your happiness restored in life, just ride your road by you. It doesn't really matter. Never underestimate the power of like the social ride and sitting up on your road bike. Well, if we could tell Kristen maybe if, or Kristen and anyone else who is not super stoked to, about riding their TT bike.

Let's say they want to put off riding it as much as possible without compromising too much performance. How many weeks before their race do you think they should start getting sessions on the TT bike? You already said that all your hard sessions maybe the month before the race

should be on the TT bike, but what about in general, like reintroducing the TT bike? Not necessarily for the first time, but... Like Nick, you're not racing until September. I would say there's no need for you to be on your TT bike for now.

In fact, the tires are completely flat on it behind me, I am not getting on that thing for a while. If you were racing PTO Edmonton, which you are, I would say around beginning of June, you should get on it, like six weeks out, you know? Just for like a little bit and then build it. I feel very comfortable in that position. Not comfortable, but I don't have any kind of, like, I'm not scared to be in that position. So I put it off as much as possible. But I think in general, if you don't have that, you think six weeks?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, six to eight, just like start taking it on a couple rides. Make sure it freaking works. Right. You know. Pump out those tires. Don't like get on it to do your, don't have your first ride on it be a hard workout.

Just get out on a couple hours or whatever and just be in the position. Yeah. Cool. Well, those are all the questions that we have. Something I do, I just noticed. Nick and I are wearing matching crew necks today. Nick's is a little bit later addition. I have an original, like very original collection gray.

crew neck um the reason i bring that up we're gonna be launching finally for the first it's been like months and months and months we've got new crew necks coming out late june and we're we're really really excited about it i bring it up because we have like we just got all the fabrics watches in with like the proof of what the the patch is going to look like on these and what this like we're doing these ones that have this like big t t tl block letters and they're and oh you're gonna you're gonna very excited you're gonna tell them about i thought i feel Like that is a secret. No, cut that out.

I'm cutting that out. You know what? I'm going to keep it in, but I'm going to bleep it just to build tension so people won't know. Yes, that is something we need to reveal. I don't think we reveal it until they exist.

Exactly. Because that is, I think people's minds are going to melt. Okay, it might be overselling it. But I think it's really cool. I was so stoked when I saw that. Blip it out. Yeah, bleep it out.

Yeah, we're bleeping it. We're bleeping. We'll be anticipation. But yes, we are so excited for that. And judging by how quickly the Oceanside stuff sold out, I think it's going to be a crazy thing once those drop. We're already planning it. We're going to freaking get in a cabin with the Corbyn's for a photo shoot.

It's going to be a thing. Corbyn's idea. Oh yeah, Nick, you're coming. Great. I'll be right there. It's a TCL retreat slash content creation. Bonanza. Oh my God.

I was going to say Bonanza, too. I don't know if I've ever said that word of my own volition. You guys are the two peas in a pod. Oh my God, we are two peas in a pod. Literally a pod. This is a pod. We're recording a pod. We better end this.

Okay, we're ending it now. Once again, you guys can send your questions into that triathlon life brand at gmail.com. We love getting your questions, and there's a very good chance we will answer it on the pod if you send something in that's at all relevant. and complimentary, that helps too. Totally.

And dog pictures. We've got a lot of dog pictures lately. We can't share them on the pod, but we do love getting them. Do we just need to open a vlog or end a vlog one day with like everyone's dog pictures? That's not a bad idea. Maybe we'll think about that. Oh, on the vlog. Yeah, yeah.

We definitely need to do that. That's funny. That's very funny. All right. Thanks so much for listening, guys. Have a good week of training. And we'll see you next week. We'll talk to you next week.

Ciao, guys. Talk to you next week.