That Was Us - 20/20 Vision | "The 20's" (S2E6) with special guest Zoe Hay

Episode Date: December 10, 2024

Join us as we dive into "The 20's," an episode that explores the pivotal moments and defining experiences of the Pearson family in their twenties. We'll delve into Kevin's core wound, the personal romantic struggles Kate is going through, and the challenges and joys of parenthood for Beth and Randall— which leads Sterling, Mandy, and Chris to ask themselves and listeners: “What kind of answers did your children bring when they came into the world?” Plus, we're joined by the talented Zoe Hay, makeup artist extraordinaire from This Is Us! Zoe shares behind-the-scenes insights and reveals the secrets behind those iconic Pearson looks. And for a bit of fun, we'll take a peek at some amazing This Is Us-inspired Halloween costumes from fans over the years. That Was Us is produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Follow That Was Us on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Threads, and X! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On today's episode of That Was Us, we'll be discussing season two, episode six, the 20s. Jack and Rebecca find themselves struggling after taking 10-year-old trick-or-treating. Meanwhile, Randall, Kevin, and Kate experience a life-changing Halloween. Hello, gang. Hello, how are we doing today? Happy Halloween. Welcome back to the That Was Us podcast. Don't forget to rate, subscribe, like, and give us all the five-star ratings.

Tell all your friends, support our sponsors, so we can keep doing this podcast. So we can keep it moving forward. We're talking about the 20s, and it took me a second to realize, like, at first I was like, why is this episode called the 20s? Not the 1920s. We're going back to the roaring. But it's sort of talking about. talking about the big three when they are in their 20s.

Yes. Formative years. Before we get to the 20s, we're going to go back to the past, and it's Hollows Eve. Yes. Kids are all getting ready to go trick or treating. We see Randall coming up with a detailed map of how they should sort of chart out the houses that they go to so they can maximize their candy before going to the haunted house. All of their personalities are coming out in full force through the art of costume. Right, Kev's like, this is dumb, right?

Oh, Kev's got the cigar. He is a cigar smoking bum for, like, the third year in a row. Yeah. Which is a weird foreshadowing. Rebecca is sewing Halloween costumes. Right. Kate switches it up. She now wants to be Sandy from Greece.

That's right. She didn't want to be a vet anymore. Yeah. And it turns out that there's a story there. There's also sort of like Kev says to Randall, we don't have to make a map, bro. Like, we know the neighborhood. We're not going to get lost. He's like, I'm just trying to maximize.

or candy so we can narrow all the stuff, right? I always shout out to Milo Ventimilia and the charm. Oh. The absolute, well, yes. Yeah, the moonwalk at the end of the scene. This whole episode's going to be about Milo Ventimilia moonwalking, probably in boots. I truly enjoy seeing Goofy Jack entertain. Yes.

Because he leans into it with such zest and zeal. And it's just like, I forget, Milo is capable of true goofiness. Yes. And it's a delight. Yes. It is delightful. It is a true delight. The moonwalk and anything else.

So ultimately what winds up happening is that Randall wants to do one thing one way. The other kids want to do something else. They wind up taking a vote. They get outnumbered. But Rebecca had already promised Randall that they could follow the map. Yeah. Right. And before they head out, they have a marital conversation about the way that Rebecca treats Kate.

How Rebecca treats Randall and how Jack treats Kate. Yeah. They both get called out. They're both calling each other out about essentially coddling in their different ways and catering to that child, leaving Kevin the cigar-smoking lonely, lonely bum. Outlier. Which I also say, like, is very important in terms of Kev's development. Even harkening back to season one in the pool and is like, is anybody saying I'm drowning here?

I am drowning. Is anyone watching me? I mean, and that is, and that's Kevin's, that's Kevin's, uh, uh, core wound. Yeah. I'm drowning over here. Yeah. I am in pain. Yeah.

Does anybody notice? Does anyone hear me? Nobody notices. So, okay, this is, we're tracking that for it. So they go out, Rebecca goes with Randall, Jack goes with the other two. Uh, we find out that Kate has a crush on this guy. Billy, maybe? But she has a crush on this guy and she wants to go to the haunted house quickly because maybe

if they get scared he'll hold her hand yeah so kev winds up giving this information to jack and he goes is it not going to happen he's like he's almost as popular as me dad like it's not going to happen can i just go get some candy yeah like let me just do my thing yeah you guys can worry about all this other crap right he's like okay so anyway we get to the haunted house we see there as a scare we see my man and grab her hand, and it's pure joy from young Kate. He grabbed my hand, I gotta go tell so-and-so, and Jack is all happy, turn to see Kev, emptying his bag of candy into old boy's bag, right?

Jack comes over and says, dude, did you just give him candy, so he would hold your sister's hand? He's like, I can always get more candy, dad. Just as simple as why I was like, now can I keep it moving? He's like, this was an easy thing to do for my sister. Easy transaction, yeah. Nobody has to know about it.

know about it. I just need to go get some more candy. Yep. Like he's like the self-safit, he's the dude's like, I'll take care of myself because everybody else seems to have other things to do, right? Yeah. Right. Let's go back in time a little bit to Rebecca. Rebecca offers the idea of like, you know what, instead of going to the map, let's go to this other house real quick. It's right here. Line is real short and pop in, pop out, and you see my man almost sort of like short circuit. Yeah. Right? And she talks about the ability to improv and how you don't have to stay so rigid because I think Jack called him rigid earlier and she says he's anxious. I think you've

differentiated in that specific way. But now as you're seeing it, it's like, hey, man, we can take steps out of our comfort zone too so it's not always this way. And luckily you had that lovely little conversation with him on the steps and I don't know when it happened, but they got him out of that Michael Jackson wig before the conversation. And I was like, and I was like, well, that's so good that they did that so that you weren't sitting there talking talking to a little Michael Jackson. about being too rigid. Yeah. So they finish off at that house.

And what is that that happens? Like, you could tell, like, something's not quite... They reveal... Yeah, they reveal to Randall, essentially. He asks a question. They're the first adults to talk to him about the fact that he's adopted. Correct.

And it's not even the adoption. It is the fact that there was a third child. Yes. I think for him, it was always just the twins. Well, it's both, right? Is it both? Yeah, because... You guys haven't really, you say to him later,

this is not something we were keeping from you. We were just going to talk to you about it later. Yeah, but I think it is more specifically, I mean, he obviously knows that he's adopted. But I think it's more specifically that there was another child, Kyle. We lost him. Did you and dad lose the baby and just couldn't find it? And you said, we didn't lose him.

He didn't live. And you are the way it always was supposed to be. It's something that you say. And then he asked what his name was. Kyle, and then you tell him Kyle. He said, Kyle probably looked like you and Daddy. And then nobody looks like me. Yeah.

Right? Yeah. And so it also sort of makes me wonder, too, because I wasn't clear on this, whether or not he heard that from them that night or it's something he'd heard from that family before, and that's why he didn't want to go to that house. That's how I took it. That's how you took it. Yes.

That's also kind of how I took it. So it wasn't just him being, he's like, I don't want to go back. Part of his plan is not just where he wants to go. It's where he doesn't want to go. Exactly what he was avoiding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because even when, like, he goes to the pool in the past, he's like, I pick this pool because I know black people aren't here.

And he's like, he's like, I don't have to tell everybody all the parts of the plan. I just know that the plan is for a reason. Yeah. That's how I always took it. I was like, there's more to Randall. Like, yes, maybe he is a little rigid. Maybe he is a little anxious and stuff. But, like, there's, he hasn't a reason.

A reason. He has an understanding that, like, maybe mom and dad don't necessarily see, but we see as the audience. That's how I've always sort of perceived it. Okay. We're on the same both things because it wasn't just that night then. Yeah. Okay. So now we can go. That's, well, this. Yeah. I mean, this essentially sets the tone for who these children will be in their 20s. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, Jack so much as says to Rebecca before the kids go. out trick-or-treating, or Rebecca does. Like, you're not preparing her for life. Like, if you're constantly sort of giving into her, she's, like, she's going to take that pattern with her, like, for the rest of her life. And the mirroring of it, you know, Kate ends up investing in a guy who is not truly available or interested in her.

Kevin ends up being a cigar-smoking bum, pulling a real dirtbag move. Bro. On his own friends? Yeah, let's get into who these folks were in their, And the rigidness of Randall's personality has led him to what we've heard about before. We heard about in episode 102. And now we find ourselves a couple of months after his...

Removed from a breakdown. His big breakdown where he went blind. Okay. Let's do Kate first. Let's go to Kate first. Let's go to Kate first. So Kate is waitressing. She's doing night school.

And she's banging. I mean, she has bangs. She has some cute, blunt bangs. Banging with bangs. When we have Chrissy on the show, we should ask about the next. Bang it with Benz. Coming with hard fringe. I think they would, someone would say.

I think someone would say that. She's got a sort of regular customer that comes in whatnot. And there's a flirtation. There's a flirtation that transpires between the two of them. She's trying to figure out what he's doing for his nice leg. I'm going to go to his bar, hang out, da-da-da. And so she had something else that she was going to do. She's in college.

She's in night school. She's in night school. Class has got kids. canceled or something. So she winds up going to his bar. And he sees her. They see each other, make eyes, whatnot. His friends are with him, et cetera. And she's like, yeah, I was wondering if you want to buy me a drink or whatnot. He's like, you know what? Why don't we get out of here? And she's like, oh. I know what that means. Okay. So they get out of there and they go to her place. Banging with bangs. And they, you know, post-coital we see with, you know. That's a nice way to say

Thank you. You know, they had a good time with each other, doing what adults do. And she's sort of... You don't want to say banging with bangs? You just say it. You don't want to say it? I have to repeat it. Okay.

banging with bangs. Mandy, do you want to... Banging with bangs. Oh, Mandy. All right, clip that. Hot take. Clip that. Clip that.

And so a sister is not stupid. You know, she understands what's going, like, you know, as soon as you saw other people see me, you knew to get me out of there because you're married. right and he's like yeah and she's like if you knew then why did you do it and she's like i'm just kind of tired of waiting for stuff you know and i know it wasn't necessarily the the best thing to do whatnot but like i feel like i've spent so much time waiting for my life to take place that i just wanted to do right it's the perfect mirror of of what we saw earlier about a young girl who who maybe puts too much I don't know

of herself in someone else's hands sure yeah and too much stock maybe in like men a romantic relationship yeah yeah yeah her father yeah yeah a romantic partner her brother yeah getting getting self-worth

externally right from someone else yeah okay kev right is that where we end Kate's is it just sort of end with her yeah she gets the news about baby Tess being born later in the episode. Right. Everybody gets in this way. Okay. So Kev. Cut to Kevin washing hair. Is a shampoo artist? Is this a shampoo artist? Is there just a

shampoo person in a salon? Yeah, he's probably someone's assistant. Okay. And so he's he's shampooing. He's at the shampoo bowl. Yeah. Regaling a customer with all the trials and tribulations. Of being a, a quote unquote working actor trying to be a working actor. So this lady has to tell him to shut up. Kevin. Just shut up. Is that too hard? He's like, There's too much whining, bro. Yeah. Wash my hair. Yeah.

Be cute and be quiet, right? So. I wouldn't give to have hair to wash. Just, sorry. What if I went to a salon and just ask? Can I just get my... Can I just put a scalp? Could you...

Just a scalp massage? Collie. Oh, yeah. Someone will give you a good scalp massage. A little phrenology up in that piece, man. Yeah. Okay. So, Kev, we go back to his apartment.

He has got a roommate. Him and his roommate are both sort of struggling actors working through this thing. His roommate just gets, like, the best part, career break, right? And he says, Kevin, you should come to this party. The director's having this party. You know, all you need is an opportunity, make a meet, et cetera, et cetera. Who knows what's going to come? So Kevin's like, yeah, man, thanks.

Very generous. Very generous of his friends. With Kevin, who is barely able to show enthusiasm for his buddy who got a job. So this director is an actor who plays the director's names Jeremiah Burkett. I did the regional premiere of Top Dog Underdog with him at the Hanger Theater in Ithaca, New York. Wow, this guy. The actor, the actor who plays the director.

Yeah, yeah, that guy, right? So it was good to see Jeremiah up on screen doing this thing. He's great actor. No kidding. And oh gosh, this was a heartbreaking moment. I think for us as Thespians, recognizing just how rare opportunities are and how being able to have an air of gratitude and appreciation, like a win for somebody else does not take something away from you

was not a philosophy that Kevin was familiar with. That's right. Because he gets an opportunity to talk to the director. He's like, you know, the way the character is described is sort of this All-American guy, sort of handsome, good-looking, or whatever. And you're like my roommate. Yeah.

It's a little bit different. I was just wondering if you wanted to hear somebody sort of read it that had more the way the character was written. And he looks at it. I said, I'm like, yo, yeah. Wow. Like, I thought I had you pegged, you know what I'm saying? Like, pretty boy sort of peaked in high school, had everything going for him.

But never did, I think that you would roll up in here and try to take your dudes part. Yeah. You will never work for me in any capacity, in any arena, and walked off. Yeah. And I was, I, I, listen, we wind up finding later on because they have a conversation, Kevin Cate, that's. where it ends because they go to Randall's. They get to Randall's. Randall's. They go to Randall's and we'll rewind from Randall. Find out why they're there. But they talk about like, I'm, you know, dating married men and I haven't had an audition in a year. Yeah. Right. Yeah, they finally revealed to each other.

Honest. It's not going well. As they have a little bit of wine or whatnot. And there is, I've seen this in friends who've gone through this journey or whatnot. When that desperation sets. in, right? Because so much of the auditioning process, this is sort of like a little bit of a tangential thing, is walking into the room with confidence. Yes. And when you haven't been validated for over a year, you haven't had an opportunity for over a year, that is eroded, right? And it becomes a self-fulfilling sort of thing that like, oh, I'm not going to get anything because what I'm projecting is just desperation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I just had to say that. As an actor, like, I was like, oh, it hurt me deeply because then he goes back to his roommates, his place, and the roommate said, like, find another one night, dude.

Like, you effing suck. Yeah, before the party, he forgave his rent. He's like, don't even worry about it. Totally. Yeah. Okay. So those are what's happening. We find them at Randall's house because we're on the day of Tess's birth.

Yes. We don't know that quite yet. We don't know that yet, right? But Beth is due very imminently. Got a belly and it says, like, the induction date, I think, is tomorrow. Yes. Yeah. Because Rebecca is coming in tonight so that she can be present for the inducing, right?

Randall's putting up this ceiling fan and he's having a tough time with it. It's just not going the way that he wanted to. There's a little bit of frustration setting in. You can see Beth is sort of walking on eggshells around him, like, you okay, baby? Like, everything's fine, we're going to be good. And she's the one who's scheduled to do. deliver tomorrow. Right.

Because we've learned that we were just two months out from his kind of fabled breakdown where he went blind period for a short time. We hear that in episode 102 when she's talking to William and she's describing what his vices is like he's perfect, but like perfect is not a good thing in the way that she's describing and his desire to be everything to everyone at the same time will turn in on itself. Yeah. Right? see. And so you see her talking on the phone to Rebecca, and you can kind of hear, like,

how's he doing? I love when somebody's talking on the phone, you feel like you can hear the other side of the conversation. You know, it was a great sort of thing. It's like, yeah, well, I'm looking for it to seeing you, could use you, da, da, da, da. It's an interesting conversation or an interesting glimpse at perfectionism as mental illness. Yes. Like, it is, it can, if it grabs hold in a true perfectionist fashion, it becomes dysfunctional immediately because the striving for perfect is impossible yeah and the striving for the impossible will drive anyone out of their mind absolutely yeah so um they're they're speaking gently with each other or whatnot and then rebecca comes rebecca comes they're happy

to see her babe why don't you take your mom's bags upstairs how's he doing you know is he okay etc and uh They're talking softly, and he says, like, you guys are really bad at bad whispers, you know. And there's this sort of recognition that's like, I'm the problem, and I shouldn't be the problem. My wife's about to have a child, and they're all worried about me. But you still can't get out of the way of yourself. You know what I'm saying? And so he says, like, you know, I tell you, I'm going to go to fix this lamp. Yeah, the hardware story, get another fan, because it's not working.

When I come back, let's just be normal. Let's be regular, you know? Right, this is, this is, this is Randall's childhood wound that he is metaphorically screaming throughout the story, which is I am the problem, I can fix this, I am, I should, what would it be, I am perfect? Yeah, and if I'm not perfect, what value do I have? Yeah, there it is.

Well said, well said, that's the crux of it, yeah. Yeah. So he, you know, even as he's going out, and she's like, it's kind of dark outside, he's like, I can drive to the hard work. drive to the hardware. Okay. You know, everything is, you know, everybody's walking around. And so he gets to there and he sees this dude who's working in the hardware store, Garuda. Garuda, sick cat, who's very cool. And he starts talking to Garuda about like how two months

ago he had this nervous breakdown. He saw his daughter in the womb. And at six months, do you know that babies start to have dreams? You know, up until that point, you could say that they're just a collection of nerves and muscles, et cetera. But now they have dreams, and that's like a person. That's a real thing. That's a world and into itself. And I'm responsible for this world, and I don't know how I feel about that. Like, I don't know if I'm capable of being responsible for this world.

So, like, what am I supposed to do? And Grude is like, why are you asking me, Big Dog? And he points at his name tag. And it says, ask me for help. And then he said, not to be racist. Not to be raises, but, you know, determined also there's something about this Eastern philosophy or whatnot. And this got a lot of attention on our socials at the time. I think because we don't see six that often in terms of representation in media or whatnot.

And the guy was so cool because he was like Eastern philosophy. Like, I'm from East. East Trenton. East Trenton, you know what I'm saying? But he winds up giving this nugget. They're like, look, I got five kids. And I used to have all these questions and be concerned about the answers. what not, and what they don't tell you,

and I believe this is true. I was like, really? I've forgotten about this scene, and they're like, this is it. They come with the answers to them. You know what I'm saying? You'll look at them, they'll look at you, and you'll just sort of like, get it, right? And I just, like, taking a pause there for a second,

because I feel this is a unique dad thing, possibly, because I think moms are sort of, like, begun that process. Once they get the baby inside her, you can tell me it's like, okay, I'm now a mom. Whether it's inside of me or outside of me, I'm sort of like beginning that problem. For dads, it really doesn't become real until like they sort of pop out or you have the six-month recognition is random of that, right? But there is something so beautiful, and you can talk about Lou if you want to or you talk about Gus or Oz, but like you get that baby, man. it's flippin magical. It's the most delightfully magical thing in the world.

And I'll talk about this a little bit because in our episode, she winds up going into labor. Beth goes into labor early. Rebecca calls Randall while he's at the hardware store after this beautiful moment with Garuda. This beautiful moment with Garuda. And Randall takes off. He's like, it's happening, Garuda. It's happening right now.

I've never seen Sterling run so far. It was just about to say. I was like Sterling. Almost too fast for the camera. Yeah, I was like, wait. You just like flashed by the camera. We're like, slow down. I actually asked them a couple.

I was like, do you want me to slow down? Shout out to Regina King. Yeah. Regina King directed this episode. Who directed this episode, right? And so we go, we go home and Beth is in labor and she's, I'm scared, baby. Wait, wait, wait, let's sit there. What answers did your children come with?

Oh, yes. Okay. Do you what? I don't know. There must be a mystery that was solved in your brain. With one, if not all three, like, or maybe it's, maybe not. Maybe it's just, maybe it's me. I'll say something, and I'll let you follow it up. Like, I, because I'm the dude that I am, I've always wanted children.

Like, in my sort of evolution of self, children are always a part of it. So it wasn't something that sort of happened because Ryan, you know, all of a sudden, once in, like, it was always sort of in my makeup, right? When I saw Andrew, and I should say, like, I delivered Andrew. Yeah. Because the midwives did not make it to the house in time, and that's no shade to me. It's just fertile myrtle, Ryan Michelle Bathay, had her first contraction at 11 p.m., and Andrew came into the world at 2.23 a.m. three hours and 23 minutes later. That's crazy.

And they're always telling us like, Mommy get some rest. You're in for a big day. First baby. Probably going to be like 24 hours. So all of that happened. But like, he came into the world. And I caught him and I unwrapped his umbilical cord from around his ankle

and passed him through his mom's legs and put him on her chest so that they can begin the bonding process or whatnot. And it was just like, this is it. This is what I do now. This is what I do now, and this is a joy to do. And so as the other part was Ryan's most harrowing part of the evening, and she had a small tear in her noni, is what they called the midwife, called it,

a small tear in your noni. And so while Ryan was working up the nerve to get the stitches, because it took about 45 minutes. She's like, you're going to put what way? How are you going to do that? Yeah. Okay, hold on one second. hold my hand, and I would hold on real tight.

I was like, you're hurting me. She'll hold on real tight. And as that was happening, because we weren't at the hospital, I was laying on the bed next to her as Andrew was taking his first nap on my chest. Oh, yeah. It's everything. Everything. Yeah. Chris, everything. Like, he told me everything.

He's like, I'm here. We're here. Like, I think he chose me as just as much as we chose him. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Now, we're here to, like, practice love with each other, you know? Yeah. More that was us after this short break.

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that I've been trying to let go of in recent years and Bear especially has helped teach me how to do that. Yeah. In the way that like I think looking back now, my biggest concern was, how am I gonna get this baby to do what I want it to do all the time? Like somewhere in my head, like the way I've been living my life, I've been living my life, concerned with myself and my partner, and we've brought our lives

down to this partnership now has to be opened back up for someone else. We just figured out how to do this. How are we going to open it up for one other person? And to realize that two phrases, it is what it is, and this two shall pass, are these like, banal things that we hear all the time that people are just like I shrugged them off they seem trite

they seem easy but they're very profound about arriving in the moment allowing what is to be instead of struggling against it but also realizing that this is not going to be forever

and a baby goes through all these things where you're like oh man if it's like this every day for the rest of my life. Yeah, I'm never going to sleep again.

What? And somewhere in your brain, you believe that. Yeah. And it becomes panic-inducing, or it becomes, you've had this despair. And then you realize, oh, and then that passes. Right. And then that passes. Yes.

And then that passes. Yes. But also, these moments of like, oh, baby's sleep in 12 hours. Right. That that too shall pass. Yeah. You know, that the good, that the wheel of positive and negative or struggle and peace is constantly turning and to try to grip on to either of them is a fool's errand.

Well said. That's incredible. Well said. You got the most. I know you do. I mean, I guess it's just like they are the ultimate teachers and I felt the same way as you described Sterling. It's like, it just everything makes sense.

All the cliché is life is in technicolor. You're just like, oh, this is what I meant to be doing. And this is who I am. And, like, the definition of that keeps morphing and evolving. And now I'm also this person. I'm this kind of mother. I'm this kind of wife. I'm this kind of partner.

I think children, in my experience, like, they are the ultimate teachers of, like, how to be present. Because you cannot be, you can't be a good parent unless you were present. And you can't help, but like, you have to be with them. You have to be all eyes on them. You're quite literally keeping them alive. You're, you know, you're their only survival mechanism for, you know, the first couple years. So I just, yeah, I feel like looking at them and living with them, it's like they are

they're the ultimate reminder of not living on our phones, not living like for anybody. Like, you have to sort of be there with them and you want to be. It's not even like, it's not even choices. that you're making. It just, it is what it is. It is what it is. And coming to that acceptance of like everything is a phase,

the good, the bad, the joyful, the exhausting, everything in between. Like, the sooner you can come to that, like, recognition and that conclusion, like, the easier it sort of is. Absolutely. And it's not resisting. And to remove the defeat

from the word surrender. Yeah. Like to find the triumphant nature of surrendering to the, this process, surrendering to this being, what they need. It's easier each time. It is. Yeah.

When you have that working knowledge. You think you're going to break them. You think you're going to break them? They think, you think they're going to break you emotionally. Yeah, and they did. And they did. And they did. And they do.

And then you repair and rebuild yourself and you're stronger for the next go-round. You're stronger for the next phase. Sure. I will say, I can't say that I became a better actor, but I enjoyed acting more after. Yeah. Did you ever have that experience? Where I thought because acting was the most important thing in my life and these moments and these scenes and these characters.

And then this baby arrives and you're like, oh. That's what it's about. Perspective. But also, I think there are more tools than the toolbox to bring to work. So it makes it more enjoyable in that respect. And you know that, like, to me, having the privilege of like being on a show like this and having a job that we love so much, it was like, it further instilled in me like, oh, if I can be so lucky to have to be able to make the choices

of what really matters, things that are taking me away from the most important thing in my life, which is my family, like they have, like they have to check all of these things. Gotta be worth it. Gotta be worth it. Yeah. And how lucky to be involved in a project where you can take those tools that you've just been given. Yeah.

And use them. And apply them. You're not in like. In a meaningful way. You're not, you're not in a sci-fi. Alien movie. Like you're on a green screen, like you can take those tools and take them to work.

And take those life lessons. From work. Yeah. Back home. Let me go back to the episode. Sorry. No, no, that was awesome. That diatribe is.

But we go back, Beth's scared. She's, I'm scared, baby. I'm scared. He's like, hey, we got this. Okay. Now this is the anecdote of this is that before we started shooting, like Dan had heard me talk about the birth story of Andrew before. And was like, we want to sort of recreate that. right so had uh regina talked to ryan and i about how it all went down and so the thing about

it in oftentimes at home births etc if you're not in a tub or whatnot oftentimes you deliver on all fours okay so we shot it like that on all fours and dan was like dude i think we have to reshoot it he came like a couple weeks later i think we have to reshoot it yeah he goes why he goes it looks like he's taking a dump it looks like he's dumping it's I was like but that's real and he's like Ken's real and that is kind of what it is

and you do also kind of take it up sometimes sometimes Rye did not right did not this is true but so so he goes he's like

case you're listening Rai everyone knows you did not poop while you were in labor so he goes can I just show it to you so you see what I'm talking about and I looked at it

and I was like okay I get how representation wise it does not look like the way people think it looks because the way we've seen it on film and TV for this is interesting so we wound up reshooting it yeah more traditionally the fake way Dan the false way the way it does not happen Dan Fogelman so people wouldn't because because the thing is I think so many people have not seen it that way and oftentimes in the hospital you're obviously

on your back or whatnot that you didn't want people to drop out of the scene. Heaven forbid we challenge our audience to think differently about the miracle of giving birth. Chris. It's not dumb. It was funny though.

We were like, oh, I get, we were so caught up in like the moment and it being real and this is how it would have happened. I'm doing stuff like lifting up Sue's dress, like, all right, this is my wife. We're going in from the back here. And I think also because you have these sort of like guidelines where our network television, like you can't really, you have to shoot things from a certain perspective.

So it's like it was hard to, yes, for it to be depicted in a way that would make sense for the audience. So we actually had to wind up going back and reshooting it. But so and so that's just a little side note to that. And another side note. Which one? I had, during this episode, I had hurt my eye. I had to have stitches. That's right.

I cut my eye, like, right under the eyebrow, and it was a freak thing. I had to, like, go in the middle of the night and get these emergency plastic surgery to have my eyes sewn up. You were real purple, too. I was really bruised. I had a huge black eye that had to be covered for this whole episode, and I was in prosthetics. It was a very tricky situation that Zoe Hay, who will be talking to later in this episode, we didn't get a. into this with her in this conversation, but they had to sort of like camouflage the bruise and the stitches. They covered it up giving me my share makeup, which Milo and I are dressed as Sunny

and sharing this episode. And so they kind of did like a really crazy over the top, like smoky purple eye to sort of match the bruising that was already there. But then it had to be camouflaged for me and prosthetics because we hadn't really lived in this, we hadn't lived in this timeline before with, obviously, with all three of the children, but also with Rebecca. Sure. We hadn't sort of been aged to this. This was sort of middle ground between the time period

in which Jack passes away and the present day where Rebecca's in her 60s. So this sort of lived in like the mid-50s, late 50s. So yes, so we had also that to sort of deal with my weird freak accident. I remember you coming to work and I was like, damn, anymore, what the hell happened? And then as I watched the episode,

Where's Taylor? Where is he? He was out of town. He had an alibi. Taylor did. Taylor did. Taylor, we know. You could.

Well, so wait, let's get to this last part because there's a lovely conversation. After Tess is born, everybody's healthy, happy, whole, et cetera. We see Rebecca dropped something on the floor of the kitchen. Yeah. And you're cleaning up the pieces. Yeah.

And you're in tears. And you're saying like, like one of the happiest days of my life, right? And I'm like, all right, so these are happy tears? It's just like, I don't get a chance to share it with your dad. Yeah. Right. Like the happiest moments will also be the saddest. The happiest moments will also be the saddest. Like forever, moving forward. Yeah. I think that like realization hadn't dawned on her until... Let's go back to a little masterful piece of writing slash acting. I'll never stop just shouting out the praises of Mandy Moore. They're sort of like,

side conversation about Facebook with Beth early. I hear it's like a way of connecting with people and sort of being with community or whatnot. And Beth's like, I ain't going to put no pictures up in there. If I needed a picture, I said, and she's like, well, maybe it could be something positive. She's like, well, I'll help you set it up. She's like, I like that.

That would be really nice. So you're understanding for the first time, really, Rebecca, with her children, all gone. She's lonely. Please don't get me started about how Brown feels when all my children are all gone, you know, without her husband, without any friends that we know about is like, Rebecca's kind of by herself. Yeah.

Right? Yeah. And so, and then reiterating that in that conversation with Randall about like, you know, your father's gone. And normally this is something that we ever got to share together. Now it's, do it by yourself. What name have you found for is like, it'll come to you when you find it and you see him, the thing that he's picking up the dirt with is the part of the fan cover. sit that says tess anna i was like you know what it's after fan but it works the name the name

plays right and so there's a lovely moment of going to the hospital and a match cut between the past uh a young rebecca meeting randall and middle-aged rebecca going talking to test and who's got the line there's there's a bar that you have like you know thinking your story begins here but it actually began oh i was i wrote down the middle can be the beginning sometimes Something like that. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have it? Yeah. I didn't, I never, like, write it down verbatim, but... Which is like the thesis of the show. It's a thesis. Right. You guys keep telling. I'm going to find this. I know. I know it's here somewhere. Well, I will sort of break the illusion of, you know, it's challenging to do these scenes on a phone when you're not talking to someone else on the other ends most of the time. And when I'm talking to babies, obviously, there is a finite amount of time that any parent would want to volunteer.

their tiny baby to be on a set. I believe there is a 20-minute cut-off. We can only shoot with babies for about 20 minutes, so we're not going to waste that time. With them being in a bassinet, with a monologue. We're in the camera's on an actor that is not the tiny child.

So they're never there. So you're either talking to a doll or you're talking to an empty bassinet. So I just remember in this particular instance, there was a robotic doll. that they had to substitute they sort of moved like that it was very

it was almost like can we just take the baby out of the bathtub blanket yeah I'll just take a towel or something so yeah so in these scenes I am in fact talking to a weird erratically moving robotic doll yeah

totally robotic baby wait so okay I found it okay it's the line goes you think that you're at the beginning of your journey right but you also began a long time ago. Do you know that? Because I was there and somebody else was there too. Somebody really good and we lost a baby and we thought it was an ending but it was also a beginning. Life has a

middle too and middles can be the hardest because that's when you can get really lost. But middles can be a beginning sometimes and if you're lucky you can have it all and you are lucky. yeah that's pretty pretty astounding i think i think that that is what this show the message that this show was sent to tell yeah its audience yeah this idea of this two shall pass yes that the reason that we are here is to learn how to hold both things at the same time yeah grief and loss and joy yeah you know loss and gain. Right. Because especially as I get older, especially as I get older, it becomes more prominent that as people are getting married, that is the day that their father also goes into the hospital. As people are, you know, there just seems to be more of that becoming, it becomes

more, I become more aware of it. Yeah. Because, because maybe I'm just becoming more aware. Yeah. But the art of living and the art of living a good life is learning how to hold both of those things at the same time and experiencing them both equally without, without kind of, experiencing them both fully without degrading either one. Yeah. Yeah, because one's present doesn't mean the other can't be present as well. That's right, right? And in fact, they will be, most likely.

Yeah, and you also wait, you have the last line, which I saved, because I wanted you to get that in. You know, I thought my journey had come to an end, but I had. I don't know. Maybe we're both at our next beginning. We go to Facebook and we see Miguel chime in and say, hey, congratulations on your first grandchild, what have you. And you see just this wonderful, like,

you start to write something, and then you erase it, and then you just say something simple, like, how are you? You know, very basic. But it was also the fact that you erased. It was the contemplation. To restate, a little bit of nerves. was like, oh. Oh, what's happening here?

The stakes feel a little different. A little bit different. There's some consideration there. Again, this was the second 102 echo from, like, Randall's breakdown to Miguel's showing up for the first time as grandpa and now seeing like the beginnings of what, how that could have become. How they came back into each other's life. That's right. Yeah, I was like, okay, that's an interesting way to end an up. Our writers are really good.

Very, very good. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Okay, so that was, that was that. That's 206. We have a guest. Yeah. Right, Zoe Hay.

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jamming on the one. This is why you check out this podcast on YouTube. So you can check out. Her style. You're like a real style icon right now, though. Yeah, I'll say it's the glasses are really good for makeup artists who work in the film business. It hides all multitude of things at 4 o'clock in the morning. So can I just jump into, if you love our show and you love the fact that there is this seamless transition between these characters aging up, aging down, that is.

thanks in large part to Zoe and her team. Absolutely. Acknowledged and nominated in all of that over the course of the series. Your work was just so unbelievable. And we all used to joke about signing on to a show like this, thinking we were doing just a simple, sweet, emotional family drama. And lo and behold, we're like in season six and you're aging eight, nine, ten characters 20 years at a time and, you know, have teams of people doing prosthetics and whatnot.

So just to kind of jump right in there, when you signed on to be a part of this show, did you have any idea that you would be working your butt off as much as you ended up doing over the course of six seasons? Absolutely not. I had a friend who recommended me for the pilot. And the word she said to me is it's just a little family, sort of like a period. show. Part of it is a period show. It's just like a family drama. Light powder. I was like, oh, this sounds like chill. Yeah. I'd come off of OJ with 40 principals and and I thought, oh, this will be great. Yeah. But then I do remember the point

where after the pilot was picked up and they were like, we're going to age Mandy. Yeah. To her 60s. And I was like, well, here's the thing too, because no, no pressure for you because it's either, we'll age Mandy, or we may have to hire a different actor. Yeah. Like, if everybody doesn't completely buy it 100%, that was the other option. So, and Zoe, you can attest to this, like, we went through several iterations of hair and makeup tests to sort of land on the Goldilocks, like, the right look. And that also sort of modified and changed over the course of maybe the first season or two.

Just with, like, the amount of appliances we would put on the face and just how far we would go for myself or for John or whatever. But I remember that very first hair and makeup test with another effects house that, you know, it wasn't the right look for Rebecca or for Miguel. But I just remember us being like, ooh, this is, this is a bridge too far. We call that the Mrs. Doubtfire way. Gotcha. Well, that's not it. But we'll try again. So besides, I mean, because you would bring in.

people. Like the thing that I learned a lot about your department and sort of like, the ego lessness of it all is like, okay, there's certain things that I'm very good at and there's certain things that I need help with. Like, talk to us about like, like, like Stevie in particular and how instrumental he was in this whole thing. What was your working relationship with him and how did you know he was the person to come on to help with all the prosthetics? I had actually, in between doing the pilot and when we knew we were going to be aging Rebecca, I had done a commercial and they had wanted to age an actress from, her 20s with two actresses playing in the park, but bridging all the ages and the transitions in between. And I was shooting in Uruguay and Malaysia. And I knew I needed appliances that were going to stay on and look good. And I could do by myself, like I wasn't going to have an assistant there to help or anything. And I knew I had worked with Stevie before and his appliances. And that was the first time I had used his age appliances. And I was in the hotel room like blowing them on my leg. making sure I could do it and I did this commercial and then when after our first makeup test

that was done by somebody else Dan had approached me and he said do you happen to have anything in the trailer that we could use and I said actually I do yeah and those were the pieces we initially used on Mandy for her for her first test and that's where it grew so I never had any doubts that it was going to be Stevie that was going to be doing what was it like to have housekeeping walk in on you with a 60 year old mouth on your Yeah, they were shocked. They were shocked. They just slowly closed the door.

Yeah, like, we're going to leave you to do what you're doing. But what I liked about it was it's like a modula system. So you can build and it can kind of miss a potato headache. You know, you can use these cheeks and those wrinkles and this mouth and it's great. You make some different ways. You're also like the facial care wizard. of, first of all, Jack and everybody else who ever had to do facial hair on the show or whatnot.

We talk a little bit, because you love it. Like, I go into the trailer and just seeing you take little pieces of hair and put it on the piece of net and just sort of comb it and put it together and shape it together. Like you love that shit. I do.

I do. And I'm judging the facial hair right now, by the way. I'm checking it all out. Don't think I ever miss a beat with you guys. This is just me right here. So take a look because we may need to duplicate something for season. What's it like? to have a goatee on your knee.

Yes, well, I've certainly glued some on myself to make sure that they look good. Yeah, I love doing facial hair, and that's something I've always done. It's a little specialty, I do. So I was never afraid of jumping in with that with any of you gentlemen on the show. And I know that actually both of you, Sterling, we had to take your facial hair several times on and off. And, of course, at the end of the season. in there where we, when we went to San Francisco, we shaved you, Sully, and had to rebuild your beard while you were growing it back in.

Yes. Oh, is that true? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it would be a fun game, and we've talked about this before, for people to go through the course of the series and try to see if Milo's facial hair are any of yours, quite frankly, like, what's real, what's fudged a little bit, what's totally just, like, glued on. Yeah.

Because, again, Zoe, like, your work is so seamlessly. It's, it is, it's hard to see what's real and what's not. Agreed. This is the danger of being as good at your job as you are, is that when you're as good as you are, people don't even notice. Yeah, I know. That's my goal. If you're looking at it, I did it wrong. I did it wrong.

If you see it, I screwed up. That's my goal is, I want the actors to look in the mirror when you're in the trailer, all of you to look in the mirror. and I just want you to see your character when you go out there. And I want you to be totally as comfortable as you can be with piece of fabric and some hair glued on your face or prosthetics or whatever. But I want you to be able to go do your job

and take it the rest of the way, you know? That's always my goal. In this particular episode of the 20s, right? So we weren't aging forward anything. We were aging backwards, the big three. It was the day of tests being born. You have Justin's who's massaging people's hair. shampooing people's hair.

Yeah. And Chrissy, I want to talk about the haircut. The bangs. Yeah, we could talk about the haircut. I was like, that's a choice. But as she, like, this, so much found out. Talk about, like, how you make people look younger. Because I don't know if I ever look younger or not,

but you just shave them as cleanly as possible. Yeah, and put those glasses on. I totally bought it. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. We do, as we affectionately called it, euthanizing. Euthanizing, I love it. Affectionately.

Hot take. Yeah, that's what we call it. Yeah. And a lot of skin prep, a lot of products, a lot of iPads. And I do distinctly remember Milo would arrive on his motorcycle and flip up his visor in the morning. Just show me he was wearing his iPads on the way. Really? His little patches on his eyes.

Oh, cute. Totally. All of that. And then, you know, we did some more extreme de-aging where we did some facelifts and necklifts. and necklifts on people. How do you do that? We actually use like a surgical tape that they use.

It's very thin and clear and you sort of pull one side up. Where can we buy that? Where is that available for purchase? Just in case somebody listening. Okay, Amazon. You'll give you guys to link in the chat for everyone. So wait, the youngest anybody, Mandy,

you did one shot of like 16. 16, yeah. Did you do any? I remember there you had pigtails. I had braces. You had braces for it. I had braces, and I believe that was some computer. Oh.

No, actually, we didn't use any digital on that. Really? Oh. Okay. Well, that was just like some crazy lighting and some Vaseline on the camera. Mandy Moore can talk about like a lateral. And then Mandy, like, I remember Zoe, when you were doing the makeup test for Mandy for season six for the end. and, like, I remember walking and seeing you

and, like, it just started crying. Yeah. Like, it was so... You guys, there's a special sort of wizardry that you pulled off for six seasons. The fact, Mandy's the youngest of all of us. Yes. Playing the eldest of all of us,

and nobody blinked an eye the entire time. A testimony to the Thespionic charms of Mandy Moore, but also... It was the whole... It was the package. I mean, you wouldn't have bought it if it weren't for, you know, like, the look had to, like, it all had to work together, you know what I mean? Some really great sweaters.

Some great, yeah, some great knits. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, there was, there was some, certainly it was a real collaboration because it had to work with the makeup, had to work with the hair and also the wardrobe. And, you know, Hala was so amazing at, like, helping us cover you up. Yes, we were like, although there was one scene of you in a bathing suit, I remember. Yes, with Chrissy. And we were like...

And I was like, she's only 65 from here off. Yeah, from the neck up. Just you in the water like this. Totally. Rebecca just likes to float. Yeah. Just as our head of our water. And then it was raining.

I mean, it was... And so we couldn't get the wig wet. We were in the pool. Justin was directing that episode. I'll never forget that. That was hilarious. Props made sure they had a hard candy in every pocket. Butter scorn.

I have visions of your little neck waddle just sort of floating. would you say the most challenging was it at the end of season six when you had everybody in the future how many people did you have in old age that you had to deal with it at any one time the most I think it was 12 people if I'm not mistaken and the hardest part was we designed that at the we didn't know that we always knew that there would be Chrissy and you and Justin at the bedside that was always a given of course we knew At a certain point, we knew Miguel would be much older, too. Nobody ever thought Toby would make it that far. We did not. There's no way Toby's making it past season four. Fine, he made it past the heart attack. It makes a prosthetics for him now.

So that was, you know, and when we had all the spouses. Yeah. And, you know, and then everybody had to get remarried. Great. Great. And some exes joined too. Oh, great, true. Great.

ex-girlfriends, good, good. Yeah, and I would say that was the most challenging. I'm not sure. I know that at least two people were wearing like the same wrinkles as Mandy on her. Because the beauty of it is it moves so differently on everybody and the pieces are so small. So you know, we're sort of like, oh, I think Mandy's, Mandy's eyebags will work on them. Yeah, I mean, they're genetically related maybe. You know, if Chrissy and Mandy have the same eye bags, that would make sense.

It makes sense. So that helps us not have to re-sculpt things. And by then, Stevie had such a big sort of stock of different things to choose from. So we sort of just, you know, picked bits and pieces and tied it together. Is there anything outside of age work that you remember in particular, whether it was scarring for anybody going through anything like that that sort of sticks out in terms of a fun thing to play with makeup-wise in the course of the show? Yeah.

I mean, we've certainly had, we had Mandy in a car crash. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, lots of, a couple of blown-out knees. I believe, yes, some bloody bits and knees and things like that. And I remember, Justin, we did a swollen knee for. Oh, that's right. That was great.

That was a great knee, yeah. Yeah. I actually think Hamas makeup was my favorite, though, which I only got to do a couple of times. Stevie did that, and that was taken over. And I thought that that was such a beautiful makeup. And again, one of those that nobody knew. what she had on and we didn't really go into that during the show and I felt that that was really beautifully done it was and worked yeah as well yeah no one would question it any other

questions any of you guys got I mean we're going to have you back for for a full episode we're thinking about getting you and Michael together to to have like a full mom and dad a full episode yeah because there's just so too much to get in way too much yeah yes but this was a nice It's a little tasty morsel to sort of satiate us for now. And now you're hopefully you're going to air a lots of beautiful things of you all beautiful and younger, right? That's right. Yes. That's true.

Is that the goal for this one? That's right. I need that tape now in real life. There you go. I'm going to try to find that on Amazon. Yeah. No. No.

I would say that Mandy was the least the easiest to take back. And I think I worked with you in your 20s. Many more you look good. Not anymore. Not anymore. Three kids. I'm tired. I don't want to hear a bitter about it.

I think when Mandy, when we worked with, because I said so, you were in your 20s, right? I was. Yeah. Yeah. Zoe and I worked on a movie together. Which movie? Because I said so. Oh.

Yeah. With Diane Keaton. That's where I first met though. Yeah. Taking it back. Mandy Moore is ageless. You could still. Yes.

You're very kind. It's true. If we were to ever do some sort of reboot of the show, I joke like, well, wouldn't need the prosthetics anymore. Just painting. Painted the wrinkles. Stop. Yeah, just us iPad.

Yeah, exactly. Okay, you're on set. She's on an undisclosed location because she's doing top secret, dope-ass work right now. Thank you, Zoe, Hey, for making time. Thank you, Zoe. We love you. Thank you so much. We love to talk to you soon.

It was lovely to see you. All right. Bye. Bye. Bye. Yeah, me too. I think we're going to be talking about Halloween costumes and see if Chris can fit into this one. And you're not watching on YouTube. This is your fatal error right now. I can't say the line. Can you even hear anything? Oh, we can't. Here, here. You can hear me. You can hear it. You can hear me in the distance. It's fine. Now listen, even though I might not fit in this costume. A shark is eating Chris Sullivan. It's a shark attack. Live on you.

YouTube. Jabberwocky, Lord, have a person. All right. Fan segment. What are we doing in this segment? We're going to be looking back at some Halloween costumes over the course of the years of the show.

Many people dressed up as the Pearson's. So let's take a look. Let's take a look at some of the best representations of the Pearson. Okay. Let's go to the screen. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. Okay, okay.

As Jack and Rebecca. Oh, he's holding on to his mustache. He's holding his mustache. It's clearly not his mustache. She's got, she's got the Steelers jersey on. She does have the jersey. She's got the hoops. She's got the Rebecca Pearson hair happening.

I like this one on the right. Very scary though. Those dolls, very scary. Wow, Rebecca Robertson. Wow, handsome bow. That's a handsome jack. He didn't commit by cutting his hair, but we'll cut him some slack. But they did commit by getting robot babies.

They did get three babies. I appreciate a black baby. Thank you very much. You know that Rachel and I dressed up as Jack and Rebecca. Can we see photographic proof of this? I don't know if we can or not. Really?

Because I don't, I didn't definitely didn't submit for this fan segment. Can we put it on like social media? I'll try and find the photo. Yeah, when this episode airs, let's try to find a photo. Yeah, it turned out good. I did a Jack Pearson thing one, a Halloween where I wore his military hat. Yeah. Oh.

I have a military hat from set and then I put on like, you know, army jacket, et cetera. Some fatigue? That was, yeah. Cool. And they got too drunk. No. I'm getting eaten by a shirt. Okay, let's see some more pictures.

Oh, okay. Oh, wow. I stash on the left there. I love it. And the shirt, that's a perfect representation of, of, although Jack had the beard then, but yeah, it's okay. Yeah, that's okay. Well, in the middle of here, what I appreciate is the head size. of the dolls.

Which one? Well, mine. The one on the left? Well, the black baby's head seems small. But the one on the left, the black baby has a full head of like, he has a full head of like nighttime news anchor hair. Like, full of, like, tonight at 6 p.m. There's something in your drinking water.

But the poor guy on Kelsey Fruz's picture, his head looks small for his body. I'm concerned. They're cute little baby dolls. But I have to say, R. A. Becca? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's pretty good. They nailed season three episode one costume to a T. That's right, because you guys were at the fair. We were at the fair.

Yeah, that's a good one. It's sort of the extenuation of the first date. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's probably the most Milo-looking Jack we've seen. In the middle? No, no, over there on the right. On the right? His face, yeah.

Yeah, it's got a real ventimilia vibe. Do we have any other pictures? No one else dressed up. is every these are all just Jack and Rebecca Jack and Rebecca is the way to go because the babies contextualize right in the first two and then we have one they've got the big three on there too oh that's nice oh wow and then someone went don't don't even mention what that man is slow cooker it's a slow cooker oh by the way though I actually had to give props our middle picture here by Sean dot Harve she kind of looks like

you Mandy I'll buy that she kind of looks like yeah absolutely the hair the hair hairstyling in particular. Also on the left, that's a good one too from that same period. She's got the beret. She's got the beret. No, these are all good. They all have black babies.

We have cabbage patch dolls. That's a nice little touch in the middle there. Yeah, a nod to the time period. Which I appreciate. And then, of course, the slow cooker. Where did they even get cabbage patch dolls? All right. They're still around.

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A lot happened. We're talking about the 20s. We see Kevin being a bad person to his roommate trying to steal his man's, like, his role that he just got, he booked, Kate is sleeping with married men. Randall is a... We're retreading the podcast episode. Yes. Yes.

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We learned a lot from Sterling's experience in life. I did deliver my first child by myself because the midwives didn't get there in time, but it's, you know, it's hard to go right. And sometimes it happens on all fours, Dan. Damn straight. We actually had to reshoot, we learned on the podcast, we had to reshoot part of this scene of Beth giving birth because it was a little too real, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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