That Was Us - A Defining Moment | "The Last Seven Weeks" (310) with special guest Melanie Liburd

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

On this week’s episode of That Was Us, we’re talking about Season 3, Episode 10: The Last Seven Weeks with special guest and fan favorite…Melanie Liburd AKA, Zoe! The countdown to election night is on, and tensions are high as Randall’s campaign pushes through the final stretch. Meanwhile, Kevin and Zoe hit a crossroads in their relationship just as they make progress in the search for Nicky, while Kate tries to make things right after accidentally selling something sentimental of Toby’s. Plus, Melanie dives into what it was like auditioning of the role of Zoe, how she helped shape the interior life of her character, public opinion on Zoe and Kevin’s relationship, and so much more! That Was Us is produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Music by Taylor Goldsmith and Griffin Goldsmith. ------------------------- Support Our Sponsors: - Brought to you by Bombas. One Clothing Item Purchased = One Clothing Item Donated. Head over to Bombas.com and use code TWU for 20% off your first purchase.- For your next trip, treat yourself to the luxe upgrades you deserve from Quince. Go to ⁠⁠Quince.com/TWU⁠⁠ for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order. - Get a free can of OLIPOP: Buy any 2 cans of Olipop in store, and Olipop will pay you back for oneWorks on any flavor, any retailer- URL: drinkolipop.com/TWU- OLIPOP is sold online (drinkolipop.com + Amazon) and available in almost 50,000 retailers nationwide, including Costco, Walmart, Target, Publix, Whole Foods, Kroger and HEB. - Try Zip Recruiter for free at ZipRecruiter.com/TWU. ZipRecruiter. The smartest way to hire. ------------------------- 🍋 About the Show: The stars of This Is Us, Mandy Moore, Sterling K. Brown, and Chris Sullivan, dive back into the world of the Pearsons, reliving each episode and all the life lessons that came with it. Together, they dig in and dig deep, have the tough conversations, bring in very special and familiar guests, share never-before-heard behind-the-scenes moments, and feature listeners in highly anticipated fan segments. Join your favorite family back in the living room to examine our past, cherish our present, and look to the future with new episodes of That Was Us every Tuesday. ------------------------- 00:00:00 Intro 00:00:32 Discussion 01:19:18:16 Fan Segment 01:30:41:20 Outro Executive Producers: Natalie Holysz, Rob Holysz & Jeph Porter Creative Producer: Sam Skelton Video Editor: Todd Hughlett Mix & Master: Jason Richards #thisisus #thatwasus #melanieliburd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On today's episode of That Was Us, we are diving into season three, episode 10, the last seven weeks. In the seven weeks leading up to election night for Randall's campaign, Beth and Randall disagree about what's best for their family. Zoe and Kevin's relationship hits a bump in the road, and Kate and Toby start next. for their baby. Oh, boy, guys. Hello. How are you guys doing? Well, how are you?

You guys. We have a special guest. I know what a special guest is, you guys. None other than Melanie. Liberd? Yeah. I just want to make sure I'm not going to mispronounce it. Melanie.

I'm so good. I'm so happy to be here. It's so great. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm going to get to do like a full rewatch. Yeah, a full episode. Which is very fitting because we are.

You're like smack dab in the middle of Zoe and Kevin right now. Yeah. Oh. It's smack dab in the middle of Zoe and Kevin, smack dab in the middle of this season. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's right.

Episode 10. Right in the middle. We've been talking about the evolution of this relationship, especially for Kevin, who's been with the show longer. And then this woman shows up. Yeah. And she's very charming. She's very beautiful. Yeah.

But Beth. has reservations. There's a little bit of a warning for Kevin right out of the gate, which we don't... I remember this. Which we don't normally have for Kevin. And so it sets the relationship off for the audience on a different foot.

Wouldn't it normally be the other way around? Like, you're warning the woman about Kevin. Totally right. He's unsirious. Not only is it a warning. She says, she will destroy you. Yeah. It's a bit harsh.

Yeah. But she also knows. about your history. She does. Yeah. And we have in the in the few episodes leading up to this learned about your history with your father and the abuse. Yes. And we've watched. That happens in this episode. No, I believe it was the episode. It was eight, I believe. It was the beginning of Vietnam. Leading up. And we're in the Vietnam. Yeah. Okay. She ate the bad bat. Leading up to it. So we get a little bit of context as to why Zoe might be a little more standoffish, keeping him at arm's length, not wanting to whatever the thing is, right?

I'm curious how the show came into your life. Like, where were you? What were you doing? Did you know about the show? And then once you were cast, how broad of a picture did they paint for you in terms of who Zoe was, what she was bringing? Like, did you know all of the information? Or was it something that was sort of parsed out to you? Sorry, that's a lot of questions.

No, I'm trying to remember it all. But, yeah, no, I didn't know. I was a fan of the show I think I've probably said this before to you guys and it came just out of the blue my agent sent me these two pages two pages of sides and that was back in the days when you can go into an audition

went into a room I don't even think I had a I just remember the test when I don't remember the pre-audition but maybe yeah anyway I just remember going into this room it happened so fast and everyone was in there and I didn't realize that every

It was just a surprise, but it was such a warm room. Justin was there. So I think it was like a straight, like chemistry read. Relaxing chemistry read kind of. All the producers were there. Dan was in the back somewhere. You know, when you just see this like, whoa, there's 20 people. Like you didn't know you were walking into that.

Yeah. Shaded face. Totally. And I honestly, I didn't have that much time to worry or think about it. I just thought, let me just look at these lines. and, you know, you get a very, you know, a rough kind of idea. And I thought, I really like this character. She's kind of, yeah, there's, I didn't have that much knowledge about Zoe, but I thought, yeah, we're, we have similarities.

Like, you couldn't get down with this. And Justin was at the back of the room, and I remember halfway through, Dan said, okay, get up and read with Mel. And he just came up, and it was like we were just doing it together. We just laughed so much in the audition. And I thought, what a lovely audition. I'm believing, going, that's probably one of the best auditions. Just one of the nicest experiences of an audition I've ever done. Just because there was so much laughter.

Sure. But yeah, that was it. How long before you found out you got the job? Quite quick, actually, probably a few days. And then how soon did you have to be on set? Oh, I had to be on. I think maybe it was a couple of weeks later. Okay.

But I just filmed one episode, and it was just a little bit. So it was a little introduction of, because I came in season two. At the wedding. At the wedding. Episode 18. Yeah. And I was like, oh, my God, this is amazing. I've got this job.

And I don't know if I met all of you guys on that day. Yeah, but we had, was it the first day that I met you or after the hiatus? I think it was the first day because, you know, Beth is like, oh, my cousin's going to be here and I come and give you a hug. Yeah, you're the wedding photographer. It was amazing because you never know when you're going on to show and I was so nervous and I remember Sterling coming up to me going, welcome to the show. Oh my goodness, this guy's lovely.

He's the best one to run into first. Yeah, he is. And I never forget it. And I thought, oh, God, he's really nice, available and warm and friendly because you know, and it's not, you know, and it's not, you don't take it personally when you go on to shows because sometimes people are just busy and they have a lot of lot to do and there's a big workload and um but yeah you just had to the time so thank you're welcome i never forget that and then mylo was the same and then meeting everyone was the same and it really

was such a lovely experience okay it really was yeah that's what we strive for that yeah yeah we want people to feel at home when they come here and then you you we have a hiatus so you do a little introduction and it's like four months off yeah yeah and it's like i will see and then you come back and Do you go straight to Vietnam? And you're getting on a plane to Vietnam. Well, so wait, hold on, real quick, because in that, you did shoot the part on the plane. Like, there's a little montage, and you guys are, like, laid up, and we know you're going on the plane to Vietnam.

So did they give you any backstory about what was to come? Like, once you were cast of, like, so you're going to be playing the love interest. Did you know that? Yeah. I knew I was playing the love interest. And they did, they did, I don't know if they told me straight away, which is bizarre, because obviously, I think at the time when we filmed that plane scene, we didn't actually know if I was actually physically going to Vietnam.

I mean, we could have made it to be somewhere else in America. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that wasn't clear. But when I came back after the hiatus, and Dan actually said to me, yeah, you're going to Vietnam. And I was like, wow. It's like, do you have your malaria shots? Yeah, your vaccinations. Yeah.

And I remember you enjoyed the. So talking to the crew, I don't know if you guys had to, like, if you talked to folks, like, they were like, some folks were like, it wasn't the smoothest thing, right? Like, they were like, but like, I think were you one of the people that were like loved it or, or the opposite. What do you mean? The trip to Vietnam. I loved it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I thought.

But, you know, I mean, I, yeah, I really did. I mean, I was, yeah, I remember walking around with Justin, which was just. hilarious because he's like the tallest person in Vietnam and he's white and blonde. In the USA. He's pretty tall here too. People were coming up to him on the street then and it was just a running joke like, I was like, oh my God, you can't go anywhere. Wow. Yeah, because they knew him or because he was tall and white? Because he was tall. No, because he was from the show and people recognize him from the show. Do people know the show in Vietnam? Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. I thought it was just because he was tall. No. They recognized him from the show. I've been to Singapore.

And I was like they told me they're like This is us, David Point, this is us And I'm always sort of shocked It wasn't a full voice It was a, yeah, yeah, okay Just like a quiet whispers On the streets So I know we're jumping

Because I'm trying to go But I can't remember what you asked me But I was in Africa once In the middle of the show I think no I went That was it I'd wrapped season three And I said to my brother Oh let's go and do some

We went to volunteer in in Kenya. And then after two weeks of volunteering, we went to Mombasa to where the beaches are. And someone came up to me in a hotel and said, this is us, this is us. Let me take a picture. Let me take a picture. And it was just so crazy. I mean, and that was me, like the wildest places.

It must happen to you now, though, both of all of the world. The most I ever got recognized traveling anywhere was Tel Aviv. Oh, wow. For this show? For this is us. Yeah. Really? Yeah.

It was a whole different thing. It's so surprising. Like, you never know, like, where we sort of catch on. We know in the States that there's things, but like the global was something that I'm just sort of, like, learning about to a certain extent, which is cool. Okay, so wait. So people are recognizing you.

Talk to us about the arc once you finally found out about it. How did you feel about it? Because there's times, I'm always curious about these in particular. The moments where, like, you as a person would be like, like, I wouldn't have done that. But the character's got to do it. So I got to do that, right? So like, what do you say in terms of you and Zoe, points of synchronicity, points of divergence?

Well, that's a really good question. I think, um... Thank you. My job here is done. It's really interesting how certain people see things in you. And I don't know how you find this, like, as an actor. And I always get asked to play these complex characters, like, a little bit, you know, And there's a little bit of, that I would say, I used to be more like that when I was younger.

Okay, because we're more complicated. We learn about ourselves. Sure. Hopefully. Yeah. And we get better at it. But there's definitely that, you know, I had a lot of that don't let people get too close, which is kind of similar to Zoe. Like the avoidant kind of behavior of, it's funny.

It's just interesting how people pick up on things without you even having to do much. Is that makes sense? I definitely had some of that. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And Zoe was constantly with Kevin. It was a very, you know, push-pull.

She wanted to get close to him, and she really loved and adored him. But it's, like, the closer he got, the more overwhelmed, she felt to be close to him. Yeah, it kind of played out pretty even-handed as far as your resistance and our knowledge of Kevin's history to go too fast. like so that so that the way he moves or that we're used to him moving would be a little like okay there's a little bit of like let's take her let's slow down a second but there was also like just the right amount of like this is more than than just let's take it slow yeah it's very interesting this this particular episode starts with a big moment right this is the this is the episode where the structure the structure of it is unlike any other episode that

that we've ever done in the show, where when I started watching it, I was like, oh, I've missed an episode. Right. Because it starts in such an emotional spot. They're like, oh, I must have, I must have skipped ahead an episode. It's election night. It's election night. I must have missed an episode.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah. But this episode is called The Last Seven Weeks. And we kind of Tarantino this episode. Come on, man. Nonlinear storytelling. With the end of it. Yeah, brilliant.

And it is election night. Yeah. And everyone is at Pearson. headquarters. Yeah. I saw the Pearson headquarters stuff, and I wish I had kept a box of those buttons. I have them. I have some.

I have a couple of them. I wish I had kept 150 of them. Like, what a cool, what a cool thing. I just wouldn't make a lot of money on them now. That's what I'm saying. I understand. I understand. I got you.

But right off the bat, something happens, and Zoe, Zoe and Kevin, there's clear tension. Yep. And she says, I can't do this. Yep. And hands him a picture of John Stamos. That's the key. That's right. That's right.

And we're sort of like, he's like, you know, I want to give you a space, but, you know, I also just kind of where I'm trying to find the middle ground here or whatnot. And she's just like, Kevin, I can't do this, whatnot. Hands back a key with John Stamis's face on it. Because I wrote to myself, I was like, are they still together? It doesn't seem like it. Yeah. She gives me a key with John Stamis's face.

So I'm like, okay. Yeah. Because his front is house key. Right. That's right. Yeah, we don't know yet. We don't know if an audience member. People are like, why is there, why is you hanging a picture of John Stamos?

And my first thought was, this is a bold move. Yeah. For timing, for a lady to do this, I can't do this. I'm going to go stand on the other side of the room for the next couple hours. She's not just leaving. Like, she's still going to be there. She's like, I'm breaking up with you. Right.

And then she walks over to this. Yeah. I'll see you later. I'll see you later. I'll see you later. I got to go. I need some space. About 15 feet would be good.

I'll be over there. Then the next thing we know is Kevin gets a phone call, right? From Toby. Yeah. Saying that Kate is crying. Oh, yeah. And Kevin's like, is it a good cry, a bad cry? And Toby kind of doesn't know how to answer that.

He's like, I don't know. She's just crying. Yeah. And you see her. She's standing over something. in the bedroom while he's on the phone in the background. Yeah. And so we're kind of like setting up all of these big questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a, and Randall, he says that, oh, Kevin comes to talk to Randall real

quick. He goes, what are you thinking about right now, little brother? And he says, you know, that trip that me and dad took to D.C. for Howard or whatnot, kind of thinking about that right now. So he's sort of setting up that storyline. And then Randall looks over at his wife and he says, something like, it's been like the longest seven weeks of my life. Yeah. And the last time we saw them, Randall was being escorted to the couch. Right. With pillows and blankets.

And Beth was like, I'm going upstairs. So we have no idea. What has transpired in these seven weeks? So, con estes to seven weeks earlier. Seven weeks earlier, right? Okay. So let's follow. Let's do Kevin Zoe.

Sure. Because I feel like it's a juicy little nugget. And we have half of the nugget. right here. One half of the juicy nugget in the studio right now. Right here. ML Liberton House.

My uncle didn't die in Vietnam. We've got this information. Yes. Right? It's been concretized because we found the... The sweet... Postcard last week?

No. We find the postcard in this episode, correct? We found... Okay. What did we find last week? We didn't find anything. We didn't find anything. It was only what...

the information that was given by the tour guide. Your sweet tour guide in Vietnam who said, Are you sure that Nicholas Pearson died? He didn't die here in Vietnam because I've checked all the registers. This is an example of the audience being ahead of the characters. Would you say? Yes. Yeah, because the audience has seen a silhouette of a man that we're now,

I think we presume to be the Nikki who had possibly died before. They show his stack of mail with his name on it. That's right. And so we go, what? Yep. So he is in fact alive. Well, maybe. Because I don't know if we have, I don't know if you fully know, like, what time period.

It's all backlit. Sure. It could exist out of time. And this is us. There's all kinds of weird things with the timeline. Exactly. So it's like, hopefully this is present. Wow, you're doing a good job of explaining this.

Yeah. We're trying. This is only our 55th episode. There's just so much. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot to keep track up. But in this little interaction, shout out to the Madman references, because there's some

good ones. And also, I forgot to mention this. What madman references? He's saying that, like, maybe my uncle was like, he took the dog, you know what I'm saying? Like, maybe he died but switched dog tags or somebody else. He's taught that in a way that I didn't. He's trying to... He did a whole Don Draper reference. He's trying to come up with all the possible things that could have happened. Yeah. Right, right, right. And there was also,

I think, in the previous episode, a big, or is it this one, big Game of Thrones reference. Oh, yes. Was this episode? Is this episode? Is this episode? I'm like, Sam. It's this one. It's a Game of Thrones reference in this episode? It's this one. So we had a madman and a Game Thrones in the same episode. Okay. Cool, cool, cool, cool.

Must have been a certain writer in the room. Maybe. Who was like, you know what we should do. You know what we should do. So he doesn't want to tell his family anything about it until he has more information. Sure, sure, sure, sure. That's what Kev says. And Zoe says, just sort of innocuously, feels so good to be home.

She lays on the couch. Feels so good to be home. Kev is like, oh, you're home now? And she's like, oh, you know, like, you know, United States where I'm from. You know, I'm from the United States. It's what we do when we get here. It's like this. It's perfectly lovely.

Just like that. Just like that. Absolutely. So then he's like, you know, I would love for this. You stop. Don't you then. Don't you? I had a moment and I'm back.

There is you stop. And he gets excited by hearing that she's at home or whatnot. And he's like, you know, maybe we could make it your home or whatnot. And he gives Zoe a key. And I wrote, she takes it. She does take it. And I think that's important because it comes back a little bit later in terms of like who offered what, who wanted what, dot, dot, dot, dot.

You know what I'm saying? She kind of doesn't get a choice a little. Is that, give me, you're inside a bit, let us know. Well, he gets carried away, doesn't he, Kevin? And he gets all excited and she doesn't want to upset him. But she's like, whoa, buddy. But, you know, her internal model will be like, whoa, this is a bit fast. Yeah.

But she kind of just takes the key. And he takes it as she wants to move in with me. Yeah. Right. No, she does take the key, though, to be fair. She doesn't say no. Already, no, the boxes are forthcoming, right? The boxes are on their way.

Yeah, there's no boxes there yet. The boxes had already been ordered, or did the boxes get ordered after this conversation? After, after. After. You've got to have the Stamos first. Yeah. She has to be invited to live there first. Stamos in hand.

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She was great. She was great. She was wonderful. She was so good. So, but they're trying to figure out, like, I need proof of next of kin, right? You know, and he doesn't really have proof of anything. They're like, if you can get a letter from a congressman or something like that, that would be helpful. And she's like, well, maybe I can help with that.

Yeah, they're trying to get his records from the VA. And obviously, they're not going to give that up without a next of kin. Exactly. So she has an end with a congressman. She can put in a phone call, see what happens. And Kevin's like, what? Really? Great. Awesome.

Let's make it happen, right? Andy. Yeah. Andy. Andy. So Kevin. Was it serious? Yeah.

Oh, man. Two years? Two years. Okay, wait. And you can tell there's a little bit of tension at the table, right? You don't know exactly what the tension is. I love how, like, Justin always plays it like, hmm, what? Huh?

My man, Andy is just like, you know, he's. the pretences under which he's been brought into this conversation were all like, everybody's like, he doesn't know why he's here. He's like, I thought I was brought for something important. Yeah, very important. Like it was life or death. Talk to us a little bit about the scene and playing it. So he seems to, she left a lot of information out of explaining things to Andy,

which she does a lot. It's like, everything's going to be fine. Let's just go meet Andy. It doesn't think anything through. I mean, she broke up with this poor guy. email? Yeah, by email. They went out for two years.

Andy clearly got too close. She wasn't ready for him. Yes. And she scarpered like she does. So she has this pattern of, you know, getting close and then running away. Yeah. And yeah. And she just wants something from him, which is pretty brutal.

And Kevin also has no idea that we used to date. Yeah. He was my boyfriend. Yeah. She just says, oh, it's kind of someone I dated kind of thing. Yeah. Casual. Casual.

Sure. even though they were together for two years. And then Andy sits there, obviously, expecting something a bit more and is a bit, you know. Hold on. Okay, this is a good question. Shell shocked by it all. What is the most awkward way in which you've ever broken up with someone or been broken up with? Oh, wow.

You've clearly got a story here. I don't know if I do, but I get inspired in the moment. I can remember I'd gone out with someone. She was very sweet, very cool. And like, she was a lawyer, or she was in law school, I should say. Big difference. I did something very similar to what I just did on this podcast, where we were sitting down for dinner.

And evidently, like, the waiter was from across the pond. And then all of a sudden, I just start talking like that for the rest of the night. to the night. And I'm doing it. And we're just having a great time. And everything's going fantastic. And then after about 15 minutes or so, she looks at me and she goes, are you going to talk like that the whole night? And I said, oh, I was like, no, I'm not. But it was in a moment, it was like, oh, I'm weird. Like, I've always known that I'm weird, but I'm normally around a lot of other weird people. The four of us wouldn't be sitting here. Do you understand what I'm saying. I'm normally around a lot of other weird people and I was like, she doesn't like this

week. Yeah. My theater camp friends would have yes-anded this situation. You were bringing some entertainment and joy. As opposed to my wife who's seen me for probably an hour or two walk with Bell's palsy. Like my wife has seen, because I was to have to do a scene and I will workshop. That's like it's how Brown does things. Straight up. I'm not even going to make a joke. Like it's real. I've been right and I. witnessed we witnessed someone get mugged on the streets of New York and Ryan was like I'm gonna go and report it in the at the precinct and I was working on lines for a scene I had to do the next day in the precinct and as I'm sitting in the precinct I think I started to tear up

over something and like a cop that comes up to me and say hey brother you need some help or whatever and I was like no man I'm fine and then he go away and I just kept work I was like I'm working on these lines and then the dude goes old Ryan is like, what is going on with your boyfriend? And she's, oh, he's an actor. And then they were like, oh, okay, cool. So what was the awkward breakup with her? So the breakup then was, like, we finished the day.

He sent her a miniature of Big Ben. No, no, it wasn't super awkward, but it was like, I said the next day, like we were supposed to go out again, I said, I said, listen, I was thinking about it. That's night and I was like, I don't know if we're a good match. And she goes, really? because we had a perfectly fine evening. I said, yeah, like, I can kind of see, like, who you are.

And I think you're a wonderful person, but I think I'm kind of strange in a way that doesn't necessarily vibe with yours. So I wanted to tell you in person, but I do think I should go. And she's like, well, go. But I didn't want to do it over the phone. Oh, wow.

And I didn't want to do it via email. That's very admirable. It seems like the healthiest breakup. I tried. I tried. What about you? I mean, like, what do you got? I don't have anything particularly awkward.

Yeah, I mean, I just kind of hold out until they would do it. And I'd cry and snob around my nose. Oh, good. You're doing it? Okay, good. Then I don't have to. I'm always on the front foot. You're the first.

You're so annoying. You break up? No, I just mean if I think that there's no communication or I'm like, let's have a chat. Yeah. You know what I mean? I can't do any other way. I can't pretend. Yeah.

I'm not very good at it. I've had, if you think of one, let me know, but I had somebody where I knew. Okay. All right. You ready? Yeah. So I was at a period of time in my life where I was in the midst of like trying to figure out who I was as a person, relationship to God, Christian, et cetera, where I was trying to be

celibate, trying to like just hold out, right? And I met someone who we had a connection with and she was like, listen, I'm recently divorced, what not. I kind of need a little bit of ping-pong, ping-pong, ping-pang. Right? I don't understand. I don't understand. I need a little bit of ping-pong, ping-pong.

What is that? And I was like, no, I don't want a ping-pong-paw-paw-paw. Yeah. Right? And it's like, we can do these things. And she's like, no, dude, you need to ping-pang-paw-paw-paw. So, anyway. Stop saying that.

Wait, so wait, so wait, guys, this is like one time in my life. Like, when eventually I wound up doing it, but I didn't want to. I really didn't want to. And so it went badly. Okay. It went ping pong, bong, bong. Really? Like that way like that.

Okay. There you go. So after it went badly, like I could tell, like, all interest just went away, like, completely. And wouldn't be on the front foot and just sort of, like, was content to just, like, not speak to me. And then, like, after about, like, a week of that, I was like, like, it seems like you don't want to be in this thing anymore, but you don't want to say that. And she's like, yeah. And I was like, oh, you aren't nice. And I'm going to go now. But I had to be the person to bring it up in order for it. And now I felt like that was cold, which is why I've always tried to be

like, if I know something similar to what you're saying, I'm going to give you the information. Yeah, I'm just not very good at doing that uncomfortable thing with someone. It's uncomfortable for me in my head if I'm not, if I'm, because I'm just, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got nothing, you never kick nobody to the curb man anymore, come on, you can't kick people to the curb, but is that awkward? Well, is, what's the most awkward? I can't think of anything that's like the most awkward. You know, just stop calling me. I don't like you anymore like that. I think I've definitely, like, done a bit of ghosting in my day. You've done some ghosting. Before I, before I knew it was ghosting. Sure, sure, sure. When it was easier. Yeah. Before cell phone.

Exactly when it was just like, oh, yeah, that's a good point. I just moved to a different town. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just letting up, I know. Then Facebook comes around, and the world unravels. All the people you can find them all. Oh, hi.

And they can find you. Here you are. That's exactly right. Oh. Your face is still out there, huh? I had, I had an awkward, unawkward breakup once where the girl I was dating just turned to turn to me. We were laying, we were both looking at the ceiling. And she just turned to me and goes, we're just friends, huh?

And I went, and I went, yeah. And she said, all right, I'll head out in the morning. That was it. Wow. And we got breakfast. We got breakfast of the morning and we're friends for. That doesn't sound awkward. That sounds, again, very healthy.

It wasn't awkward, but it was unusual. It was unusual, like. How lovely that none of you took it personally. Yeah, yeah. I was like, yeah. I was like, no, yeah. Yeah. I guess there's no, like, clean way where everybody's like, you feel it's over, right?

And they're like, yeah, I do too. And you're like, see you later. Yeah, let's shake hands and go. What do we do? What's the best thing? There's one person. Exactly. Someone's a little more invested than the other person.

Yeah. Okay. So you give this information and Kev is a little bit like, that guy seems like, you know, he was a little bent out of shape. You told him like you broke up. He made an email reference in the case. conversation. Like maybe I should have read my email or something. And we as an audience is sort of left like, well, dang, girl. It's a little cold. There's like, and it's interesting because as an audience member, it's like we feel like Zoe's sort of keeping Kev at arm's length, right?

And then she'll come closer, whether it's all, it's the road trip with the, with the silk pillow case and everything. And then you have the conversation with the lady. And then you're like, oh, I think I want to share with you. And then you, something else happens. And it's like this sort of like, she definitely, but I'll take your keys and we can live together. Yeah. But, oh, yeah, I didn't give you this information that this was actually my long time. There's real intimacy there. Oh, yeah.

It's big back and forth. Well, real quick, as these episodes were unfolding or was there any, because we were talking about in the last episode, when Randall and Beth were at odds, and you weren't sure. Yeah. That the audience was like, in public. verbal to them about do not mess with Randall. Did you get any feedback in public while in production about how people were receiving the character?

Oh, I got a lot of, oh, I mean, this is nothing to do with it, but just, yeah, Zoe, you and Kevin, good work. I got a lot of that, like, oh my God, you make the best couple. Yeah, guys were a beautiful couple, for sure. Um, that was always screamed at me walking down the street and, um, and what else, uh, Beth sister, like sister cousin references. Oh, it's so sweet. The Beth relationship. I have a, so positive. Similar. All positive, actually. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Are you expecting some. I was curious of whether. Yeah. No, I got no. It was the warning from Beth that makes people, or they made me watch, watch. What am I looking for? Like, what am I? Yeah. It's, that's so interesting. What am I? What am I? What am I? I, I'm waiting for the other. I'm waiting for the other. I'm waiting for the other. I'm waiting for the other. What am I'm waiting for the other. What am I? What am I'm waiting? What am. What am? What am I'm? What am? I'm? What am? What am? I? I? I? I? What am I? I? What I? I? the shoe to drop, but then she connects with them and tells her about her past. Okay, so that's healthy. They've done that.

And then this thing comes up and it's like... Doesn't look good, does it? It doesn't. It's not looking good. She goes away with a lot. I mean, the way the writing is so brilliantly done as well, and all the characters are so well flushed out before we even start. You know, usually we have to put everything on.

But yeah, I think even just from the writing, it just, you know, those lovely little complexities because she does love people. She loves her cousin. She loves being part of the family. She loves the kids. Like she's a beautiful person and she has this other, you know, and all these other things. And all these other things. Because the next thing that we see

before we get to the next scene with the two of them is Kev just goes home and he's just in a room by himself with boxes. Yeah. Right? That's what we see. And then Zoe comes. She comes home with a tux for him. You can see Kev's... New Year's Eve, isn't it? Yes.

I'm getting ready. She's been in the salad. on. That's it. No, no, no, no, please. I love it when other people. Oh, sorry. Yeah, no, no. So he comes back. They've been in the salon. There's that scene where he's like a bit touchy when she walks through the door. And she says, you're okay. And he's like, yeah, fine. And then she leans over him and he's reading something about, isn't she he reading something? Isn't she reading something? Yeah, yeah. He's going through the records. He got the information. Yeah. And, uh, and then he just snaps at me or something with the boxes. If you want to read him, just read him. Don't need to hover over my shoulder. And he, like, gets up and he's like, Jesus. What are you so happy about? Something is going on. They asked her, why haven't you unpacked any of your stuff, right? Am I about to get an email?

Yeah. She said she never wanted to move in, but she'd do it to make him happy. Yeah. Right? Is that when she says, this is what you do, your, your, yeah, it's just you, this is what you do, Kevin. You push too hard or something, yeah. He says something to do it. You just want to use my living room as an obstacle course for all your crap.

And then after you just say, I need some space. Yeah. Bye-bye. There's a lot of boxes all over the room. We've got a lot of stuff. In the middle of the... Tons of boxes. So then I think, do we get to election night?

Is that where we catch up? Or is there anything I'm missing in between? For this storyline? Well, just like the tiny little bit of information that we did get from the paperwork that Kevin just discerned was that Nikki was medevacked out of Vietnam in 1971. And he signed his... paperwork as Clark Kent. Which was supposed to be a wink at his mental instability. Yeah.

According to you two, not knowing his history of the nickname with Jack. Like, what kind of loony tune signs their paperwork, Clark Kent? Right. Yeah, turns out it's not quite as loony as people and originally anticipated. So we get to election night. Randall sort of sends everybody home because it turns out that we're not going to find out who won tonight.

Too close to call. Kev winds up leaving. He hears footsteps behind him and he says, I have mace. I carry pepper spray. Pepper spray. Was pepper spray at mace? I can't remember which one.

She's like, bro, what are you talking? Which for a second I thought was like a joke? Yeah. And then I'm like, oh no, that's... He kind of means it. No, he meant it. This Is Us move would have been him, like, trying to make a light of the situation by telling Zoe. And he was like, oh, Zoe, it's you.

I was like, what an odd moment for This Is Us. Yeah, for a six with five guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is, there's, she says, some to the fact, tell me what you remember about the scene. It's a lot for me to give up my own safe space. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she's just opening up to him.

I think what's so beautiful about their relationship is, you know, we see Kevin, you know, when two people meet, they really can grow together. And I think Kevin's slowing down, giving her this space that she needs. And in that moment, she's really just saying, I want to be with you and I love you, but I just need to go a bit slower. And he's like, I can do that. You don't even have to move in. I think he says it's so sweet. It's kind of adorable. Yeah, like you don't even have to, we don't even have to live together.

And she's like, yeah, I do. I really want to live with you. I do. I just scared. Yeah, sure. Yeah. There's a declaration of love on her part. Because I think he's, he said, when did he say that he thinks that he's falling for her?

Is there a couple episodes before when she's in the bathtub? Is that when he first says, I think I'm falling in love with you? Maybe. Because she was throwing up. So it was definitely back in Vietnam. Very sick. Yeah. Yeah, I opened up to him about the, that wasn't this episode.

But I think it was the first time I remember Kevin saying, like, I think I'm falling for you, falling in love. And I think this is the first time that we've heard her say the same thing. Yeah. And then she asked for the key. Coconut water or suntan lotion. I'm not sure which one. Yes. That's right.

That's right. And then she asked for the key back and says, let's go home, which is, you know, we're now starting to feel like, all right, okay. Maybe these two kids. We'll figure it out. I guess Beth can be wrong. Yeah. There you go. This is not that awful.

she will destroy you i mean in terms of awful like did you when you did things where you felt like you had to like be self-protective or like trying to maintain your own space did you feel quote unquote awful or did you feel like like no this makes sense for me as a character that like she's someone who's gone through these things this is how she would behave absolutely how she would behave okay i think she i think she was just protecting herself the whole way through Right. It's good because I, like, there's time, I feel like most of the time with Randall, I felt pretty synchronous. There's a couple of times when I was like, oh, I wouldn't have said that. Like, you know, I think we're still. As Randall. Like, there's a couple of times coming, like, when we come up, we're almost to put a pin in it. Yeah. And that was one of the first moments. I was like, y'all, y'all go really crucify me like.

Yeah. Put a pin in. I have to see people in public. Oh, I really want to know what you're talking about. We're talking about there's a moment in future episodes. In a future episode in this season where Beth is talking about how she wants to pursue her dream of being back in dance. Yeah. Right? You know, I think it's sort of like immediately on the heels of my little island girl. Yeah.

Randall asks her to put a pin in it. Yeah, because like his career is sort of taking precedence and he needs her to be at home to watch the girls and everything. Can you just take a little second year? And when I read it, when I read it, I was like, this is not. going to go well for me at all. For Randall or Sterling you had to go to the grocery store. Tell me about it. So that's what I was curious about, where there are ever moments in which you had

that moment of like, oh, that's not going to be the easiest hole. But I also enjoy the idea of sort of metaphorically digging a hole and then trying to get out of it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm kind of the same. I'm one of those, oh, I'm going to find a way. You've got to win them back over. Exactly. Okay. So that's that's, that's And Zev and Zoe in this particular timeline. That's two Kotobie.

Kate was crying at the top of that episode, like we said before. Toby calls Kevin. I don't know if these are good tears. Oh, Kevin, like, are there are good tears or bad tears? You're like, I don't know. Something I can do to stop it. Who knows? Dirty trick on the This Is Us writer to leave a crying Kate,

a crying pregnant Kate, who's already had one miscarriage unanswered for a few scenes. This is very true. Come on. But like, and so when we flash back to your point. Kate is like texting Randall like what the size of the baby is right and I think at this point it's like a little lime or something like that looks just like Kevin says says Randall they're having like good key key everybody's having fun things seem to be going swimmingly but she also wants that that's your note she wants to start turning the nesting nesting in things happening it's time to make this nursery right so you got to get rid of your toys like and like Toby has like a visible bristle Like to anybody who collects, because I know a few collectors, like, first of all, don't call it toys, right? It's their action figures, right?

And, like, most of the folks keep them in boxes and have an understanding of the appreciation of these things, and they can go for a but ton of money. And for anybody in the collectible world who saw these shelves, they see a bunch of action figures, but the standout thing on these shelves is this collection of Star Wars figures, original, 1978. That sounds about... Figures. Yeah. That in the real world, on the low end, go for tens of thousands of dollars. Did he really? Wow.

The highest, the Boba Fett, they had two releases of the Boba Fett. The first Boba Fett had a rocket that actually shot out, which the toy company was instantly like, we can't, it can't shoot out. I remember that. So if you had, there was one of those that was sold that was still in its packaging for half a million dollars. No way. What? Because they're so rare.

Wow. So the thing that Toby never gets into... Yeah. With... He's very sweet. He's very sweet. He's like, I wanted to give those to my son. Yeah.

To pay? Because I'm jumping ahead. I'm jumping ahead. Because he wanted a down payment for his house. They're clearing out all the toys. They are boxing things up for donation and stuff to sell. And then Toby sets aside a certain box. certain box, and he comes home, and Kate has said, oh, and that box that you had

under the counter, or he goes, where's the box that had under the counter? Oh, I sold it. Yep. And it had said DNS on it. D&S. Which, even me, I'm like, that's too vague. Too vague. Okay, good.

DNS. That's too big. Yeah. Yeah. Do not sell. Yeah. I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have pieced that together. Yeah.

Yeah. Donations. Which you brought, immediately sparked a conversation with me and Rachel. When Rachel and I first started dating, she and neither one of us had a lot of money. And she was living with her best friend, Elizabeth. And they had both, like, gone out and bought their very first pair of designer jeans. Okay.

Like, hundreds of dollars. Sure. Like, one pair. And we were like, they were very excited. Went to, like, the denim bar in Chicago or whatever the place was that had the jeans. And they set them down when they got home in the kitchen next to the, the garbage and they were cleaning and this sounds like a boring story it's going to get really good it's going to get really good really quick no no i'll make it short they did some cleaning and it just

looked like a bag and someone stuck it in the garbage and they threw the garbage they lived on the 11th floor of a building down the garbage chute which went into a compactor room which kind of leads to star wars because because the next day who finds himself in a compacted dumpster You went in there to get the jeans. To get the jeans? Did you find him? This guy. Did you find him?

Yes. So we're digging through layers, right? And the layers get compacted. No. And so you pull one aside. And you're looking for dates on like mail because it's like, okay, that's not the layer. That's not the layer. That's not the later.

And before I find them, this is the best part of the story. I'll give you the end. We find the jeans. They're still in the bag. They're perfect. There's not a spot on... They found some treasure. Not only did I find treasure.

I pull this layer aside and 45 photos of Rachel and this guy I've never seen spill out across the dumpster. I'm dead. I'm gone. And I'm like, what are these? Part of this... We had brand new dating. We're brand new dating. Part of the spring cleaning, she had...

her roommate had done would be to get rid of all of the photos of her and her ex-boyfriend. Wow. But they went into the garbage at the same time the jeans did. And you wouldn't assume that your current boyfriend would be in that dumpster. Oh my God. Nothing salacious in the photos, just people going on a trip. Sure. Like having a good time.

But so, she was so mortified. One, that I was in a dumpster looking for her jeans. That is crazy. Two that I came across like 35 photos. That she never wanted you to see. Never wanted me to see. And I picked him up and I'm like, please. Well, you're like, who is this guy?

Yeah, who's this? Sally, how long do you take you to find a jeans? We were in there probably 30 minutes. Mandy's having a tough time. I'm having a tough time with garbage, guys. It was bad. It was bad, Mandy. But listen, married, two kids.

Wow. Yeah, it'll work out. I climbed in the right dumpster. Have I gone through the garbage? garbage? Not other people's garbage. Have you ever had to, like, get in a dumpster for anything? Damn it.

Melanie's like, this is not what I thought I was coming to do, you guys. Damn it. This is why you watch on YouTube. If you want to see a genuine spit tape. You don't ask Mandy Moore if she's ever had to get in a dumpster for anything. You go dumpster diving?

First of all, the answer is no. I know this. Wait, you're making an assumption. Second of all, you do not ask. No, I've never been. Have you been a dumpster? He's watched too many movies. What?

Everybody hasn't been in a dumpster? Have you been in a dumpster? I have not been in a dumpster. For else? Anybody else? No. What are you doing? Also, to be clear, the story I just told you, hold on, whoa, whoa, the story I just told you,

the only dumpster I've ever been in. I've been a couple. What? What were you doing in the dumpster? What? I was looking for something. Like little boys who kick balls or something like that. And if there's an open dumpster close by or what have you.

Or if you have to break down boxes and everything and the boxes start to pile up. And then you have to like push the boxes down by jumping in the dumps. I mean, manual labor type stuff. That kind of thing. For work. You were in there for work. For work. All right, good.

I mean, I've heard stories. Like I've lost my keys on the beach before. and I imagine if I would have dropped the keys down the chute. Sometimes, you know, sometimes things go through your head. Yeah. Would I get down that? Yeah. Yeah.

Not another people's trash, that is. Yeah. Hugh, everybody's had that. I look at it like this. You drop something in the toilet? Yeah. You have to get it? Yeah.

It's a dumpster. Hopefully it's my toilet. What happens next in the story? Anyway. If you dropped your cell phone in a public toilet. I would get it. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

That's it. It feels very different than it. dumpster, then your whole body in other people's garbage. I think the toilet feels worse. Oh, no, you can wash your hands. Well, you can't leave it there because you can't flush it, and then people are going to see, like, your wife's face popping up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There you go. Gabe, you turn up at Gabe's party. Yeah, his like, what is it? Like fraternity party or something? Some sort of college party. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Has anybody experienced this type of thing in their life? they've lost something.

They tried to get it back from somebody? No. No. All right. So they show up? Well, the Mustang. That's it. Oh.

That's right. How did that go? My first car? Yeah, I mean, but like, how did it go trying to procure it back? For years, I tried to find it online, tried to get connections to the DMV. It's my first car. It was a 1965 Mustang. I worked on it with my dad, had it when I was in high school.

And then I sold it when I was graduating college and then immediately regretted it. But moved to Chicago in New York, where you can't. of a car anyways, well, it's still, like, looked for it, like, tried to find it. I knew the VIN number and the license plate. And then when we came back for this as us, then I had a team. I was like, I think I have people who can help me with this. Like lawyers and things. And I asked my lawyer, I was like, if I wanted to find a car, how would I find it?

And he's like, oh, I know a private investigator who could probably find it for you. And so I gave in the VIN number. And like, a week later, he called and was like, yeah, it's sitting at this guy's house up in Sacramento. And so my mom and dad took a friend with a trailer over there and bought it back from him. And that was it. It just like, it was the right offer. Did he kind of? Try to highball?

Yeah. My dad said, my dad said it was clear that there was something going on in this house where they needed the money. It's like, they're tweaking out a little bit. Okay. And he was just sitting outside. So it's divine timing. Yeah. And he asked like way too much.

And my dad was like, yeah, no. Yeah. We'll give you, we'll give you a third of that. And he was like, okay. Oh, you sent your dad to smart. Yeah, cool. I was down here. And I was like, you need to go now. You need to go now.

And so it was my mom and dad and our buddy with a big trailer. And they trailered at home. And still had some of the stickers I put on it in high school. Like, I spent the whole pandemic putting it back together. I remember that. I do too. I do too. Putting it, what changing it up?

Restoring it. Yeah. So. So they're at this dude's house. Sorry, before we came on. Who's just got the This Is Us car? You've got the This Is Us car. car. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I know.

You see him driving around down. I probably should have known after that story. There were two of them. There were two. And, and myself and my friend Ben bought the other one who collects cars and loves. He actually has certain cars from film and TV that he loves. And yeah, we sent them both. There's a guy in Texas called Wagon Master who only does those cars. And so he restored. mechanically speaking, what needed to be restored. And now it's... And is it the one from the show? Yeah. Wow.

It's the daily driver. I take my kid to school and that's a car. Okay. Kate tries to get the whole sob story to Gabe about like, I'm not going to be able to give anything. My dad died in a fire. She laid it on as thick as she possibly could. Everything is burned. Everything is destroyed.

She's pregnant. She can't give anything to her kids from her childhood. Please let the husband, the father of my son, child give to him what he has. He's like, yeah, no, I'm good. He goes, yeah, no, those things are priceless. Yeah, which is not wrong. But you really think he's going to give it back. Yeah, I did.

I was like, oh, it worked. Yeah, it was a good head fake. He made the decision that I think most people would have. Yeah. I mean, I say most dudes, they would be like, look, I know what I got. Yeah. So you're going to have to, you got to give me something. So anyway, that's that.

So he stayed there. We go back to the nursery, Toby's painting the nursery. She says, like, you don't have to worry about giving them something. because you are going to be our son's favorite thing, right? It was very, very sweet. And Toby says, no, you are. So sweet. Yeah, then it goes to the Kate, loves the nursery.

So sweet. Toby wound up recreating like this Three River Stadium with the action figures inside and we need a flashback to when they're kids and anything. It's beautiful. It's such a gorgeous moment. Well, the way that they, it was a quick flash on those figurines. and the way because the figurines only move a certain way

the way that the props department set them up Princess Leia is bent over at the waist and Luke is standing behind her are you serious? Yes because they're in like the hike formation and there's a little ball but I'm like this is but they don't

that's not how it looks. I did not we're going to be a screenshot for the IG on the show. It's very clear those are men. I saw it When I saw it, I was like, come on. Do they have to be lining up for the snap? Green 18. Put Han Solo back there.

Not her brother. That it's two Game of Thrones that we don't need that. We already had a reference. Her brother. And in that moment, you say, like, I'm going to be our kid's second favorite thing. You're going to be a kid's favorite. So things are lovely and good. The tears were not bad tears.

The tears were tears of joy. I have gratitude, yes. We find out what happened. Should we jump to Jack and Randall in the past in D.C.? Sure. To just tie that up as well? Yeah, go for it. Well, because earlier in the episode, when Kevin asks Randall what he's thinking about,

he's like, you know, I'm thinking a lot about that trip I took with dad to D.C. When we went to go visit Howard. Yeah. And I think as an audience member, you're like, what happened there? So I'm glad, obviously, that they revisited this. I do remember that they visited the Vietnam Memorial, the wall there. Yep. They go and are, correct me if I'm wrong,

Randall's like, do you want to go find your brother's name and Jack sort of deflects, right? And they talk about, like, Randall's the only 17-year-old that's like already thinking about the man he wants to be. Yeah, his work-life balance. The man he wants to be and the way he approaches his job and his life versus like what kind of husband and father he wants to be. And I think Jack really thinks that's so silly that any 17-year-old would be pondering those thoughts at this point. He says to him at one point. He says, what a great life you're going to have. And what a great man you're going to be.

Yeah, I have that. Yeah, which is something that sticks with him. And then Randall later on says, it scares me the idea of doing something big with my life. So there's a sort of knowledge of his own obsessiveness. And like he even says, like, I like to plan ahead, you know, straight Niles. And so, like, there's these seeds that are planted back then that you, that you don't realize like how they sort of affect him and what it is what it is that he's trying to do in his present day life right um so he also says are you sure you don't want to find your brother's name on the wall that's right and he says it's too sad for me too sad for me but we know we now know that that's another right dodge exactly exactly um okay so we'll do we can do randling back we'll do the black

Pearson's here. She comes to wake him up off the couch, doesn't want the kids to see him sleeping down there. He talks about how he's got to get to Philly. And she's like, are you serious? Like after what we went through last night, you know? And he basically says, can't give up on the district, he says. Can't give up on the district.

And she's like, you're on your own, right? So things are not great between R and B at this point in time. Randall, three weeks before the election, Randall's listening to Saul Brown talk about. how Randall's family has been absent. He's like, oh, it's too bad. I haven't seen Brother Pearson's wife and kids, you know. Just little insidious stuff to plant the seed into the electorate that, like, you know, maybe this guy's not the family man that he looks like.

Maybe it's time you and the girls, and he comes back. He says, maybe it's time you and the girls start showing up at events again, right? Because Randall's been MIA, Bette's been doing all of, like, the holiday gifts and stuff by herself. And this may have been the moment, I'm not sure, where that one, mind she says something oh god and they're sort of catty with each other back and forth and back and forth she's like well i i i would i'll be wherever and you say you do what you got to do and i'm like yeah that's cold to say it to say it to anybody but to say it to beth it's it's a color that we're not accustomed to seeing from randall yeah there's discord real real discord yeah um

So Randall's talking to J-Wan at Saul Brown. Oh, finds out, Jay-Wan finds out, I got what we need, right? Saul Brown was arrested for drunk driving. He had it buried. Jay-Wan wants to run it in the paper the next day, right? And you can see Randall sort of being like, that's good news, but, you know, just sort of like, but. He's conflicted. Randall goes to get a blueberry pie for his wife because they have a blueberry pie every New Year's Eve, et cetera.

runs into Reverend Hawley, and Reverend Hawley... I need to set up more pie traditions in my life. Is that what reminded you? Just now, I've just realized it. Like, Christmas and Thanksgiving's not enough. Yeah. Like, we need to pepper it throughout the year or more. I need to spread them out.

Good pie. Yeah. Six pies a year? Sure. Like, bi-monthly. Yeah. Guys, there's a... Speaking of which, talking to the city about,

there's a house of pies in my neighborhood that's been under construction for about 700 years. If you could finish that, a man would be grateful. Do you know what I'm talking about? On Venice and Lincoln, the Space Age looking building? Oh, hang on, yeah. That's going to be a house of pies. Wow. Are you excited now?

I am. I am very excited. What would be your favorite pie? I mean, I like a chocolate cream. I'm a cream pot. I like chocolate pies. I like, I like banana cream pies. I like blueberry pies, sweet potato pie.

I like shrimp. You can boil it. You can boil it. I like lemon. Anything with lemon? Lemon meringue? You like a meringue? I'm an apple.

Key lime. Oh, yeah. Is cheesecake a pie or a cake? No, that's a... It's a cake. By definition. I know it says cake in the word. It feels more of pie-esque.

I've had a sweet potato cheesecake. Yes, sweet potato cheesecake. Delicious. Okay. All right. Anyways, get that house of pie is done. So, and this actually is another segue because the Rev winds up telling him like, you know, he's trying to say, he's like, I got this.

thing that could kind of win me, the election, so to speak, but I just don't want to do it that way. And the Rev basically says to him, you know, act in a way that when you are old, like an on your deathbed, because I give deathbed advice, that you can look back on it and say, and be proud of it, essentially. And it oftentimes reminds me. And I don't know how you guys feel about this. And this is a real question, and it's not a leading question. In terms of legacy, and then I know this is going to boil a plate legacy, what do you want people to do? remember about you. Like, what is it that, like, you ultimately want folks to be like, you know what, that liebird, she was dot, dot, dot, dot. I've been asked this question before, and without sounding

too cheesy or twee, it's kind of like, for me, kind, open, available, you know? She was a girl I could sit down and talk to. Do you know what I mean? Respect. It's happening right now. Thank you. Telling, what about you? Well, I know it's more, it is definitely, it is definitely, more about interpersonal exchanges than it is about anything with the career. Sure. And while I appreciate, like, any and all accolades that have come or yet to come or whatnot, like, I know, like, I'm not going to be huddled up with the Emmys as I'm breathing my last breath, like, thank God.

You know, like, I'm deeply... It'll be nice if they're there, though. It's not, it doesn't hurt. Yeah. Actually, if you hit it with the wing, the wing, the wing... Yeah, that's painful. That could pierce your skin. There you go.

But similar to... what you're saying, Melanie, like, I think someone who, who brightened up my life, like, is as simple as possible. Yeah. That's, that's it. Do you find, just, just going to this question again, because I have times where I'm really focused on my career. And I know it's very, I don't have children, so I imagine it's profoundly different having, you know, kids and the time you have to dedicate to that. And there are times where I think, no, it's just about life and experience and like I love travel. I love, you know, volunteering. And it, human exchange. But do you ever get kind of conflicted in the, should I be doing this much career?

Should I be doing this much other stuff? Should I, you know? I do. I do sometimes. Because like just recently I was gone for five weeks and my kids were like, you're gone for a little longer than you normally you're going for. And I was like, all right, fellas, I hear you. But I do feel like for me also, and this is a very privileged thing that I'm about to say, that the career is actually another opportunity for me to leave the impact that I want. And it's not the work itself, but it is the interpersonal connections that I'm able to establish during the work that I actually find as enriching, if not even more so than the work itself. Yes. And it's so wonderful because it's your life and, you know,

that's life experiences and career experiences in the same, which is beautiful, really. Everyone gets to do that, like you say. Yeah. What about you guys? I think very similar yeah just like bringing joy it's really yeah the legacy is about the impact you make on those around you and those that you love and I will say this because I've heard this echo

like I've said this to a couple other people and like you know bro but you work all the time if you didn't work as much maybe you'd be like I want that Emmy or whatever it is you know what I'm saying so I get we're in a good place to be able to have that sort of 30,000 foot view sure but it's also it's not

the answer. Like, it's a thing. It's nice, and it's, it's, it's, it's an accolate. It is a true accolade. Yes. A true achievement. It is indeed. But it's also not the answer. Right. Okay. But I do want one. You do. I just want one. Of each, one of each. Unabashedly, if I, if I got the egot, wouldn't be mad. No, no, no. I'm not pushing it away. Yeah. I actually would receive it with open arms. Yeah. Yeah, I'm really the one. that I'm trying to figure out, and you guys are good on this. The Grammy?

The Grammy. It's spoken word, album. Symphonic narration. John Lithgow. Reading an audio book. Oh, get out of here. Yeah. Okay.

I love that you immediately knew what I was thinking. Yeah. Although, I've heard you sing. Yeah. I can see a cast recording of a musical in your future. Okay, okay, okay. Maybe you could release like an ASMR bedroom type album. Yeah.

I could. You know? I could. I would work on. Is there a category for that in the Grammys? I will work. Adult listening. So wait.

So the Reverend gives Randall his last blueberry pie. Yeah. Right? Says, you know, happy New Year. Randall takes the dirt that he has on Saul Brown, throws it in the trash, goes home. We learned that Dacia has a crush on Anderson Cooper. I was like, that's going to be a disappointment. But anyway.

moving for everybody that may not work out the way that you think but then randall apologizes and i really did i liked his apology uh because it was it was it was real his and it was a recognition as as the words of the reverend sort of echo in his head he's like i'm spending all this time with the people who aren't the most important to me and i've got it flipped and sometimes you have to think backwards. Like at the end of the day, when you are on your deathbed, who are the people that you want to be with, be proud of, who you want to be proud of you. And he's like, hey, these are four most beautiful people in the whole world. This is what I need. I'm sorry, right? Beth is able to do our dance for a little blueberry pie. Things are good. It may, it actually

exhaled a little bit for the Black Pearson clan because I was like, who? I didn't like tension there. So that happens. We get to one week before the election. They're watching full house. Randall's ignoring his phone, having a great time. Randall's laying in bed, decided not to go to church in Philly. Beth reminds him of when they first started dating. And she says something, if you guys have any more to that, because she has a lot to say. But I have the quote of, husband, you are a man who cares too much and tries too hard.

And then I will not let you forget who you are. You need to finish this campaign. Yeah, I wrote that too. It was really lovely, very sweet, very gracious. But, like, isn't it this way in life? Like, you kind of have to give something. For someone to sort of say, like, you need this. You kind of have to give it up first.

You know what I mean? And that happens. If you love something, you set it free. And if it comes back to you. Come on, Forrest. Then it's truly yours. Well, I love. Yes.

that they all go to church together as a family. Yeah. And the Reverend sort of gives a bit of an endorsement. Yeah, gives us props. For Randall. Or like a dual endorsement. Yeah. Right?

Exactly. We would be in good hands with either man. With either of these two gentlemen. Yeah. Which is not true, but it's still good. Nice friend to say. Yeah. I appreciated the diplomacy.

Yeah. Then we go back to the, you know. Now we're at election night. Yeah. Numbers are too close to call. We're back to the beginning. You guys leave. You go home.

Yeah. Randall J. Juan, Beth, not going to find out who won until after midnight. Thanks, everyone, for the hard work. The numbers aren't there. They go home. And so, Randall and Beth, he says, wonder what my dad would think about all this.

I think back on all of these memories, all of these moments. Moments. I have money. All of these memories. And sometimes it feels, like there's been a plan for my life from the beginning. Like from the beginning. Maybe everyone feels that way.

Maybe I'm not that special. And this is just what it is to be a person, you know? Do you guys, what do you think about that? Tarling with the giant existential question. No, because, like, I will say, like, I think I feel this. Yeah. I do feel as if, like, there's some divine order. It feels that way when things are going well.

Yeah. But do you feel that, I mean, with Randall, you're right. Yeah. Yeah, but also the pressure that we can take upon. Sure. Of realizing that. Like, sometimes we're the people and the person in the family that, I don't know. Do we take it on ourselves or is it put upon us?

So that's interesting. Or a little above. Because there's always one in the family. I feel like in my family, like I was the one that was supposed to do something. Like, I was supposed to go somewhere and do something. And I say that because, like, my mom sent me to this high school, you know, and you go to Stanford University. And so there's a certain, a little bit of pressure, expectations that to do something, right?

And if you were the first from your family, to go to Stanford or? Well, first to go to Stanford, not the first person to go to college. Like, my mom went to college. I had multiple degrees, et cetera. But, like, to go to something like Stanford or something was pretty cool. Yeah. And so, like, I did, I was like, for me, It was like, I don't know what the special thing is going to be, but I do feel like something special will come, right? I did have that feeling. And I think if you carry that feeling with you, it kind of becomes part of your DNA to a certain thing to have.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In a first destiny. No, I have. I've, similarly, I felt like I need, well, I always, I had a, I mean, I grew up in a different country and. different childhood, but yeah, I did. I felt like I needed to, I was going to do something and I didn't know what it was, but it was something very, but I wanted something very different to what I had before. Sure. I just didn't know what it was, but I just knew. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, where'd you mean anymore? Yeah, I guess if like you really distill it down, but I do agree with Chris, it's like, it's easier to believe that when things are going well, like, this was all meant to be. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little harder to glom onto that idea when things are going in a different direction. Has there been a time where things haven't been going well?

You're like pulling, you're like, come on. I had, I had, what is that? It was a moment of peace. Yeah. Yeah. I was broke. Yeah. No money in Chicago.

Yeah. Hung over Sunday morning. Ooh, the heaps. Walk in the streets. Headed towards Improv Olympic to go to my improv class that was scheduled way too early. For a Sunday morning. Lord. Sunday morning.

No. no good reason to feel like things are working out you know and i'm walking down clark street and there's nobody out sunday morning sunday morning in chicago yeah is a it's like sunday morning in new york city you're like oh everybody's gone rainy wet you could smell the asphalt like and and and no joke the sun did that thing where it comes through a hole in the clouds yes sir with the rays. Yeah, man. And I was just like, okay.

And there was a great peace where I was like, everything's going to be fine. Yeah. Everything, you're right where you're supposed to be. And that was a long time ago that I had that. That sense of peace. Never again. That sense of peace. I've been chasing it like a rabbit.

I think when you have it in those moments, I think you know it's always going to come. It's there. I just need to reconnect with it. Yeah, yeah. It's possible. It's possible. Yeah. If I had it once, it must still be in there.

Yeah. What I loved about the scene is I love seeing this husband and wife together, right? Like there's something very powerful after like all the tension and discord that they had of just seeing them laying down on their bed, nestled together and just sort of enjoying this peaceful moment. With no expectation. I wasn't waiting like for the phone to ring. In fact, I was surprised when it did. It was sort of like, oh, they're at peace with this moment together, with whatever happens in the future. And in fact, like, maybe it would be a good thing if he didn't win.

Yeah. But, like, they're not even thinking about that. So you as an audience aren't really thinking about that either until the phone rings. And you're like, oh, whoa, oh, I forgot. Yeah. They're probably waiting for some news. He doesn't need it anymore. Yeah.

He let go, like you say. And that's what makes it so beautiful. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I won. Yeah. A lesson on how to attract the things you want. There you go. Let go. Need them a little less.

It was so critical because, like, I mean, obviously I knew what was going to happen or whatnot. But, like, in the watching of it and, like, our phone rang and sort of like, you know, you kind of maintain the suspense of it until you tell the person or what have you. Like, I thought it was. it was let me talk about this moment go ahead go if i can't watching it go ahead because i after rewatching it of course forgot this moment was coming we're in this at these seasons where it's all a surprise again i put it up there with the candy bar moment yeah i was like i was like it's so tight on you too and there's so much happening just in your faces and you handle it so expertly to there's

You give nothing away until the words come out of your mouth, I won. And then they hold long enough for Beth to just go, like, she just pulls back, she just pulls back like a little bit. An inch, an inch. End of the episode. And I'm like, that's, I mean, that's, that is. Masterful. She's just, thank you. I, like, I got Misty.

I got Misty because, like, what you're saying, Emily is, like, they were. were at peace. They didn't need it. He'd let it go. It's all good. And then the phone call comes and he turns his head and he says, and I can see her eye. And then that was the end of the episode. It was cool. It was so good. It was really, really cool. Melanie, thank you so much for joining us. Oh, honey, thank you. Thank you so much. This was so fun. Where can people find you if they want to find you on socials or anything like that and tell them where they can watch you perform coming up.

If there's anything coming out soon. You can find me at Melanie Liber, just my name. Right on. Instagram. And, well, I've just done a movie. So that will be coming out in a few months. It's a quick turnaround, actually. It's called it A Year in London.

A few months. And, yeah, independent movie. Well, what are we in now? No, October, October. Okay. It's a quick turnaround. We'll be premiering in Rome. Okay.

So, yeah, it's a love story, gay love story. Fantastic. So we've got to go watch. Nice. I love a good GLS. That's a good, scale-up story. I know. It used to be a whole section of Blockbuster.

It used to be. When Blackbuster existed. Mellie, would you do us a favor? Were you looking to that camera over there? Which one? Oh, this one. Straight ahead and just give us, that was us. That was us.

We are so excited to be back with the fan segment, our favorite segment of every show. And today, it is time for a little This Is Us trivia showdown. And I'm going to host. Mandy Moore is the host. Because you feel, I feel slighted from last time.

Yeah, a little bit. What did he do? I'm curious that made you feel slighted. I feel like it was an unfair. Other people were given the opportunity to answer the question when maybe I buzzed in first. I feel discounted.

Understood. I might have overcompens it. for my feeling of how slow the internet is for our competitor. Yeah. I got you. So now I'm going to host. And I think we're going to be speaking to Emily. I can't wait.

Who's on her break. I'm going to break her from work. You're going to break her. I'm going to destroy her. Take it easy, you guys. I'm going to destroy whoever, if you don't want the bull, don't pull the horns. That's not right. That's how it goes.

That's not exactly right, but you know what I'm saying. Let's get her on the phone. Let's get her on the phone. Hi, Emily. Hi. How are you? How are you? How are you?

I'm good. How are you? We're fantastic. We're great. You look wonderful. We understand you are in the car on break right now to join us. I am, yes. Amazing.

For giving us your break. Appreciate it. I know. I wouldn't have missed this. When I got the email, I was like, you know what? I'm going to just go to my car and do it because I can't miss this. This is amazing. Listen, Mandy's going to host this, but I was like,

I'm glad that you use your break to lose to either me or Chris in this thing. Oh, I don't know about that one. I don't know. Let's go! It's on. It's on. Okay, I've decided to host because I feel like you were unfair last time. Unfair to who?

You're taking points away from me. So I'm taking control now. I think I was only being fair to the group, Mandy. Sure. Well, why don't we start with some easier questions? Which episode are we focused on us? We are going to focus on episode 310. Three-10.

Should we communicate the buzzing-in strategy? What was the buzzing-in? Oh, just like, do we say, like, you just call out your last name, right? You just say, if you say Emily, if you say Sully, if I say Brown, whoever says it first, they, do you go to them? Okay. Okay. Feels good? Do we say our own name?

Yes. Okay. Okay. Just like, Emily. Or do you want to say you could yell Bazinga? That sounds way harder. It's a different show. I kind of like that one, too.

or, yeah, I could do that. You know anything. Me, mine. Whatever comes to mine. Whatever comes to mine. Okay, Mandy will let you know. Are you ready? I can work.

We're ready. Here we go. What does Beth call blueberry pie? Brown. It's called booberry. Oh. Correct. Are we keeping points here?

You see, this is, now, now listen, this is one of the things when I was hosting. The speed of the internet. Is there, wait, huh. Is there a delay? I was going to say, I feel like I have an unfair advantage. That's a lot of a delay. Okay. This is what I mean.

Take the delay into account. And if she comes within half a second, we'll tie goes to the runner. Okay. Okay. Such a competitive area. Yeah. I love it. Okay.

What famous actor is featured on the key chain that Kevin gives Zoe? Emily. Emily. John Stamos. Yes, Emily. Well done. Well done. I like it.

Okay. Chris, you better get this one. She's ready. What is written on the side of the cardboard box that holds Toby's action figures? Emily. I'm going to go, Emily. It's do not sell or D-N-S. Yes, ma'am.

That's right. Wow. It was not messing around. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. How recently have you watched these episodes? I'm going to plead the fifth on that one. She's like, I'm watching it right now.

No, no, no, no. No, I watched them recently. Okay. There's no lag. There's no lag. Okay. You can watch them. There's no lag.

There's no lag. You can watch. We're going hard now. Sterling. Okay, what is the name of Zoe's old flame who is now a congressman? Emily. Emily. What?

Is it Andy? Yes. Do we know the full name? Wow. Oh. Senator Andy? It said Andy or Congress. We're going to give it to you.

We'll give it to her. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because I wasn't going to get any of that other than congressman. Okay, Emily's killing. Your Honor, Congressman. We've moved up to medium questions. We've moved up to medium. Good, good, good.

When Reverend Holly is talking to Randall at the diner, he gives a lot of what kind of advice to people? Brown, does he call it deathbed advice? Correct. Sterling. Thank you. I was in the same, so it's unfair. Yeah. Okay.

This was also four years ago. four years ago, five years ago, six years ago, long time ago. Yeah, I mean, you only watched the episode yesterday. In your car on the way. When Kevin and Zoe unpack her boxes, they accidentally unpack a box of Jack's things, which includes a postcard signed by who? Emily. Emily.

It's C.K. Clark Kent. Yes, girl. Yes. But technically, it's, I mean, the pen was held by, uh, Nicky Pearson. Nicholas Pearson. Well, yes, to be fair. That wasn't the question. That wasn't the question.

It's absolutely CK. It's all so true. What? So mad at me from last time. So mad. Not the question. So mad. Okay.

What is the name of the kid who bought the action figures that Kate eventually tracks down? Brown. Gabe. Wow. Yes. I don't think I watched this show. No, because Gabe was so obstinate. Like, you thought for a second he was going to give it back and he's like, no.

No, I'm good. Like the story might have worked on him, but then ultimately not at all. Okay, guys, these last five questions are all labeled hard. Okay, let's go. So let's see. Let's go, ma'am. In the beginning of the episode, what was Randall's percentage at the polls against current city councilman, Saul Brown? Brown, 52 to 48.

Yeah. In the beginning of what episode? In the beginning of the episode. Oh, 10. Yeah. Wait. On election night. What show were we watching?

It was too close to call. 52 to 48. That one was a very hard one. Okay. That was very hard. What does J-Wan show Randall after he says it's what they've been looking for to win the election? Sully. Sully.

Evidence that his opponent has bribed the police to get out of charges. Yeah. Yeah. Do we need to know what the charges are? No, we don't. I got it. Do you remember what the charges were? The charges were in decent exposure.

It's not. Drunk driving. There you go. There you go. Okay. Sorry, that was funny. Okay. In Reverend Holly's advice to Randall, he says, quote, act in a way that will make you smile when you're old and gray laying under the blank nursing home blanket thinking about the life you lived.

Wait, what color blanket did he say? Emily. Emily. Pale? Pale what? Oh, pale white? Brown? Pink. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry, it's pale pink.

It's funny. I would have said yellow. I don't know why it was yellow in my head. All right, guys, we got two more. Okay. Yes. When Kate buys action figures off eBay, what action figure does Toby look at saying he can tell it's not his? Wow. Emily.

Chewbacca. He said a man knows his Chewbacca. Which is true. Which is true. So, you know, I'm going to say something real quick. I have been waiting for the question to finish. Wow. Well, I guess that's why you're losing. And that's why I'm losing.

Thank you. I got it. Oh, I apologize. No, no, no. No, no. That was located in a rule. You win at all, cars. I feel like I have to assert myself.

Handle your business. I'm mad at that. Last question. Yes. Sterling. Worth 10 points. What is the name of the book? Randall says he ordered to help understand Tess's journey and coming out?

Sully? Yes. Being Ellen? So close. So close. Finding Ellen. Oh, Emily. Emily.

Love Ellen. It's a degenerous book. I knew I didn't want to blurt it out because I was, oh. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Emily. I'm a super fan, you guys. What can I say?

She's one with the last question? Yes. Emily, congratulations. That was amazing. okay so it was it was emily six sterling five chris won fantastic you know listen i don't show up to lose uh and you beat me fair and square yeah i tip my hat to you yes we all tip our hat to you well played if there was a prize he'd be happy to take it home oh my gosh thank you so much i had so much fun it was so nice chatting with all of you this is like a dream come true for me seriously

Oh, Emily, likewise, this was so much fun. You were excellent. I know. She's like, I know. Where do we find you? No, no, no, no, no, not that. Where do we find you? Where are you right now?

Oh, I'm from the Inland Empire in Southern California. I'm in between shifts right now, so I look like I'm in heaven with the light behind me. It's really beautiful. It's well lit. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I'm just from Southern California, Inland Empire. Some would say that the Inland Empire is like heaven.

I have never heard someone through that, but. To reach their own. Emily, thank you so much for joining us. I hope you get to go enjoy a little bit of your break now. Oh, this made my whole life. Thank you so much for having me. This was so fun. You kicked ass, sister.

Have a great one. Have a good one. Have a good day. Bye. Bye. Oh, my goodness. That was fun. That was fun.

You are so competitive. I'm going to let you guys know a little something. What? I don't like to lose. I know you don't. You quit the podcast. I'm done. No.

She won fair and square. There are times in which I knew the answers that I was actually Jeopardy style. Yeah. Waiting for the question to come to an end. I'm not mad. I'm okay. I'm good.

I can live. I can live. You're going to be thinking about it. Until next time. When I host. Oh, it's my turn to host. I don't even want to. I just want to play.

I just want to win. Well, that was fun, you guys. That was fun. Thank you for joining us again. If you would like to reach out to us, please feel free to do so at That Was UsPod at gmail.com. Yep. Or you can call us at 412501-3028.

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