That Was Us - Beth Becomes a Mentor | "Our Little Island Girl: Pt 2" (606)

Episode Date: September 22, 2026

On today’s episode of That Was Us, we’re diving into Season 6, Episode 6: Our Little Island Girl, Part Two. Beth steps into her calling as a mentor, Kevin faces the consequences of his choices, and the Pearsons reckon with the people and experiences that have shaped who they’ve become. In this episode, the hosts chat about: * The TV shows and movies they’re watching right now, including Furious, A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, Widow’s Bay, Ted Lasso, and Good Luck, Don’t Die * Their thoughts on Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey, including Samantha Morton’s standout performance * The mentors and teachers who shaped their careers and why teachers are so important * Redefining what success can look like and why there’s no one path to a fulfilling life They also break down the episode, including: * Beth finding her purpose at a dance academy * Beth mentoring Stacy and helping her get back on her feet after a difficult performance * Beth confronting her former dance teacher and making peace with her past * Kevin confessing his infidelity to Sophie and the fallout that follows * Beth’s future as a mentor and Stacy’s success as a dancer And a friendly reminder, you can catch new episodes of That Was Us every Monday, a day early, exclusively on Hulu. Available on Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts on Tuesdays like usual! That Was Us is produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Music by Taylor Goldsmith and Griffin Goldsmith. ------------------------- Support Our Sponsors: - Thanks to Article for sponsoring this podcast! Article is offering our listeners $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more. To claim, visit https://www.article.com/discount/twu and the discount will be automatically applied at checkout. - Once you try Magnetic Me clothing for your little ones, you’ll never want to go back to buttons or zippers! New customers can get 15% off sitewide at https://magneticme.com ------------------------- 🍋 About the Show: The stars of This Is Us, Mandy Moore, Sterling K. Brown, and Chris Sullivan, dive back into the world of the Pearsons, reliving each episode and all the life lessons that came with it. Together, they dig in and dig deep, have the tough conversations, bring in very special and familiar guests, share never-before-heard behind-the-scenes moments, and feature listeners in highly anticipated fan segments. Join your favorite family back in the living room to examine our past, cherish our present, and look to the future with new episodes of That Was Us every Tuesday. ------------------------- Executive Producers: Natalie Holysz and Rob Holysz Creative Producer: Sam Skelton Production Coordinator: Andrew Rowley Video Editor: Todd Hughlett Mix & Master: Jason Richards About Headgum: Headgum is an LA & NY-based podcast network creating premium podcasts with the funniest, most engaging voices in comedy to achieve one goal: Making our audience and ourselves laugh. Listen to our shows at https://www.headgum.com. » SUBSCRIBE to Headgum: https://www.youtube.com/c/HeadGum?sub_confirmation=1 » FOLLOW us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/headgum » FOLLOW us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/headgum/ » FOLLOW us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@headgum Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is a headgum podcast. On today's episode of That Was Us, we are diving into season six, episode six, Our Little Island Girl, Part 2. Beth reflects on the dancer she was and the mentor she's become. Meanwhile, Kevin confronts the consequences of his choices, and the Pearson's navigate changing family dynamics ahead of Thanksgiving. What's going on, gang? Hi.

How's everybody doing? Yeah, doing really good. I want, before we get into the episode, which is, by the way, part two of this, I want to make mention of this, written by Ebony Freeman and Susan Kalachi Watson. Yes. So everybody on the cast, except for Brown, either wrote or directed an episode. Sue and Chrissy were the two people that chose to do the writing thing. And so we were going to try to get a chance to speak with her, but she has her her. That's going to be keeping her from joining us this episode.

So we love you, Sue. We miss you. Sorry we didn't get a chance to talk to you. And what a fabulous episode. It's wonderful. Yeah. Like, acted the way it was written, directed, like all of the above was just, it's so extraordinary. It's really, really cool.

Yeah. Before we get into the episode, though, I wanted to tell you guys about a couple of things that I've watched recently. Please. I'm really enjoying. So the first one is on Hulu. Check it out. Has anybody watched Furious? Not yet.

I'm going to. Sister? What is this? Oh, M.G. It's sort of killing Eve. Okay. Vibes. Emmy Rossum is an FBI agent, and she's hunting down another female serial killer.

Okay. Irish chick, I believe, and I don't know her name offhand, but she's phenomenal. But I also wanted to give flowers to a friend of mine, who is a New York theater actor, who I've known for years, and is getting showcased on this show. The sister's name is Quincy Tyler Bernstein. And she plays like the head of this one division of the FBI. It's one of those things where you know, you know how talented somebody is

and you wish that other people knew how talented they were too. And now the world gets to see. And now the world, Quincy, Tyler Bernstein, handle yo business. Very excited. Will you guys watch the show? Come holl at your board. Okay, okay, okay.

Then one that I'm a little bit behind on, and I know you're not going to watch this one because it's in the GOT family. Have you watched The Night of the Seven Kingdoms? No. I don't even yeah he didn't even look at me watch it okay you're not a gay you're not a GOT guy I went through GOT

I listen I'll participate if the class is is going through a lesson yeah and back then everybody was watching right and then there was like two or three seasons where it was just garbage white guy yeah white guys with beards dressed in fur and I was like I was like who's that who's that now is that the same white guy with a beard dressed in fur that did the other, you know.

You have to follow. Yes. I got lost a little bit. I thought, they've been telling me that winter is coming for seasons now. And winter still has not arrived. I've never seen it, so I don't know. So what were we also worried about? This one is six episodes.

Okay. Yeah, but do I need to know the lore of the other stuff? No. More manageable. If you knew the lore, it would help, but no. Are there dragons? No. Okay.

This is completely. Completely character-driven, and the center character, his name is Sir Duncan the Tall. They call him Dunk or whatnot. This young man, I believe he's higher... Sir Duncan the Tall? It'll make sense because the show is actually... Like slam Duncan? It's kind of like a comedy.

Okay. In this GOT world. Okay. It's so good. Okay. All right, I'm in. Please give it a shot. What's it called?

It's called A Night of the Seven King. kingdoms. Okay. You'll love it. Okay. A knight like K-N-I-G-H-T. Got it, got it, got it, got it. There's no dragons, but there are knights. Are you okay with that? I'm okay with knights. You're okay with knights. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's not my favorite. There's something that happens in the pilot that you may be grossed out by. Okay, but can you give me the realm of what is grossed out? Yeah. A guy uses the restroom. but but it's not that bad and it's only one time because my wife stopped watching it with me

I have babies that have like blowouts yeah yeah I'm not like grown man but so that one thing then okay stick with it you can be fine yeah you'll be fine last one you guys been talking to me about widows bay yes it's it's dope yeah it's frigging fantastic Reese is dope whole supporting cast is dope like I just got through episode two when he had to stay the night in the you have been it? Because, listen, I'm supposed to watch it with Ryan Michelle. He watches everything. I understand, but like, you think it's dope now? Listen to me. I'm supposed to watch it with Ryan Michelle Baffa. Yeah. She keeps getting scared. Yeah. I get it. And then she stops. Yeah, it's scary. But I find it more, I find it more funny than I find it scary. I agree. I agree. I find it way more

funny than it's creepy. It's not like scary. Yeah, but like getting her to like sit down for like a few episodes is not easy. Yeah. Although I am watching the new season of Lassau. And are you guys Lassau people? No, not after the first season. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a new season. Yeah. Okay. When did that come out?

Recently, recently. A few weeks ago. Yeah, guys. They sure waited a long time. I love it. Well, the show went off the air. Yeah. And then they decided to bring it back. And then they said, wouldn't we rather keep making money? Listen, the hook is, it's about, um, the team is trying to make a female. Like a female soccer team. Got it, right? It's got all the heart that you loved from the first one. Okay.

Oh, it's beautiful. Okay, great. Yeah, okay. I'm into that. I love that show. I just want to share the things that I'm watching. Now, am I missing anything? Is there something that I need to be watching that I haven't been watching?

I'm watching nothing. Yeah, I need to. What's going on to have to you guys? Tired. You got young kids. Tired, traveling. Watching movies. Sorry, as God is.

Everyone should check that out. I saw the breadwinner. Check that out. You're cute. You're cute. I did. I watched them both back to back. It's a weird double feature.

But also like without your family, it's a weird double feature. It's very sweet of you. You're a good friend. He's a great friend. There's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of downtime in Vancouver. Sure.

Traveling around. But yeah, checking out, checking out what I can check out. Okay. You went to. Okay, here's one thing you can watch. Uh, uh, um, oh, shoot.

Good, good, good luck. Don't die. Yeah. That's the movie with Sam Rockwell? Yeah, I had it. Michael Paine is in that joint? Don't die, Sam Rockwell. I know what you're talking about.

Yeah. Don't die, sir. We love you. You're a national treasure. Yeah, good luck, have fun, don't die. Good luck, have fun, don't. Is it great? Yeah, it's great.

Okay. I want to see that. I want to watch that one. It's absolutely fantastic. Like a movie of old. Okay, cool. That's my contribution. Deal, deal, deal.

Oh, guys, I'll come with contributions next time. I'm so sorry. The one contribution that you gave me last time is that you went to go see The Odyssey. Yes. Have you, have you gotten? Not yet. Not yet. I want to. And?

It's great. Yeah. It's great. And I'll say this. This doesn't take anything away. Not my favorite, Nolan? No. I don't think it's anyone's favorite, Nolan.

But great. Do you have a favorite, Nolan? It is a perfect movie. It's like a movie movie movie. It's a movie movie movie, for sure. And Damon is dope. Yep. The steal's the movie for me is Samantha.

Samantha Morton? Yeah. Oh, I've heard. For sure. For sure. That whole section is great. Oh, yes. But even like the first time, like the way that they use CGI in the movie,

sparingly but to like maximum efficacy. Yeah. So good. Yeah. Great movie. I can't wait. Our man Bill Irwin is in the movie. That's right.

The doctor who tells Rebecca that Jack has passed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if you can't spot him. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Well, sorry. That's fine. Yeah. He plays a cycloph. Spoiler. Yeah. All right. In this episode of this show.

In this episode. Get into the episode. Because there's a lot we can start with. We could start with with Beth stuff, but there's also some really interesting dynamics going on with brother, sister, husband, and everything. Like, where do you think you want to start in the past? Like, where you want to go first? Let's start with, I think, with Beth present day.

Start with Beth present day. Because that's sort of what this episode is the central. Yes. central theme of this episode. For sure. Go for it. So she has gotten this new job where she's sort of like head of recruitment, right, at this like dance academy in Philadelphia.

And she's tasked with finding kind of like untapped talent for this like special program, giving them grants, right, and whatnot. And she's really like in her element. You see this like the show sort of opens with this like montage of her like, you know, in these rooms and watching these dancers and meeting with families and like watching kind of this new reality of her discovering like, I think this is my purpose. Like I think this is what I'm meant to do in this chapter of my life and my career. And like she's walking sort of like with like a little taller than we've seen her,

I feel like in the past, right? Let me speak on this one a little bit because both Sue and Ebony, who was our writer, our former dancers, right? both African-American, to Caribbean, Jamaican, but grown up in New York, and both have non-traditional ballet bodies. Meaning like ballet is about lines and strong, long lines and cetera, et cetera.

Right. And so a lot of black women, they may have lines, but they have curves over those lines as well. Right? And so sometimes they're told that like your body doesn't write, you don't, the point doesn't look the way that it's supposed to. Even Missy Copeland, who I mentioned, I just met the other day.

curves, teeny tiny woman, but has curves and was told like, you know, I'm not sure if this is actually going to be the path for you. So it takes someone being in that space to advocate for someone that doesn't look like the way that it's always looked for the possibility, even to exist. They're like, you know what, this person can show up in this space as well. Sure. And they deserve to be there. Exactly. They deserve a spot. Yes. And so it feels very appropriate that someone like Beth, with this background is the one that's sort of

leading the charge in this particular program right? And you see her sort of with like her new recruits and she makes them face the mirror

and give themselves sort of like their own pep talk like I can and I will like she's just very in her body in this role like it's just

it's fun to see her with such sort of command. She definitely has this sort of like assertive nature in life and as a mother and as a wife.

But like I feel like throughout the entirety of this series, we've always sort of like, there's a lot of tumult for Beth when it comes to like figuring out who she is. There's a lot of trauma. There's a lot of like unprocessed grief about this phase of her life. Yeah. Who she was as a performer and it's tied in with losing her dad

and having this who she thought was like a steadfast advocate at her own dance academy when she was a young woman. Yeah. Really breaking her heart. And she carries that with her and she carries that with her into this new job. So all of that to say, it's really nice to kind of find Beth in this particular place of like, oh, has she finally figured this out? Has she finally found her purpose? Because you want this part of her life to also make sense as like someone that loves her and roots for her as an audience member.

So again, I just like, I was really struck by that. She's in her element. She believes in these women the way that they, that her dad believed in her. there's this one woman in particular named Stacey Right and she I think again Like she is a surrogate for young Beth For baby Beth

And she really just like Sees this girl trying and And I think some of her The higher ups at the academy have kind of like whispered to Beth Like this one's probably not going to make it And it only reinforces in Beth Like I'm going to get behind Stacy I'm going to make sure like I believe in her

I see her. I know she can do it. And she kind of like finds her in a rehearsal and Stacey's not being able to complete these pirouettes or something. And Beth like kind of tags alongside of her and just like look,

I've been in this very position before. Like we just, you know, whatever. Kind of gives her her own pep talk again. And then we find Beth, if I'm missing anything, please jump in. Oh, good. That's good. Beth is sort of really freaking out

before the performance. So we see Randall. And she's like, I'm in anybody or like, famous Randall Pepp talks like He tried to go like, you got this or something. She's like, okay, I got to pee again. I got to pee.

It was a sweet little comedic moment. This is a great, this is a great kind of allegory for what we've been talking about being parents, right? Like we're provided these opportunities to guide young people and to guide them in a way that also repairants ourselves.

Yeah. Like, that gives us a chance to heal, you know, generationally backwards and forwards. And the idea of her having to redefine what it means to succeed, like, for this young dancer. Like, you have to understand that doing it the way that you're expected to do it or the way that someone tells you you should do it does not inherently mean that you're succeeding. Like, there are different ways to succeed in this process. There's also something about, she makes mention, because Randall tells her, like, you know, you've done all the hard part. You found the people, you've gone through the practice or whatnot.

Now you just sit back and watch them do it. She's like, before, like, I would be up there and still have some semblance of control or, like, it's in my body. Now I kind of have to, like, sort of take my hands off a little bit. To your point. So watching my kids compete, I'm never more sort of like, like, just like, I can't do anything. You know what I'm saying? And there's this part of me that's like, oh, I want to do something of the,

and sometimes you just have to sort of be present. And I even talked to them beforehand, I was like, is it helpful when Daddy talks to you during the game? And I get very specific rules. It's like during timeouts, yes. At halftime, yes. But you just screaming stuff out during the middle of the game, you can keep it down.

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This singular idea of what it means to succeed and how you can help them to do that is interesting, right? Because especially in ballet, this dance world, where there is a singular idea of what it means to succeed, which is you will be a soloist in a prestigious, just ballet company. Anything less than that is failure. When in fact,

you know, there are people who spend their whole career in the chorus. Or there are people, did you know this? We had a friend who was an opera singer and you think, okay, opera seems like a pretty narrow lane.

Like, what do you do with that? You're either Pavarotti or you're not. Like, what do you do? Yeah. What you do is, you join a company, an operatic company, these soloists like Pavarad, whoever it is, come in,

and then there's 30 or 40 other people who support them. Those people, I didn't know this, like at Lincoln Center, the opera there, that is a lifetime job. When you ascend to that role, you get chosen. Chorus, chorus. Because when you're 20, they need 20-year-olds. And as you get older, they still need you in the chorus. They still need you in the chorus.

Starting pay? $250,000 a year. Wow. Really? To be in the chorus at the opera. Wow. A lot of money in opera. But all I mean, that example is meant to say that, like, the idea of what it means

to succeed. Right. And you see Beth kind of realizing, oh, I had a very narrow idea of what it meant to succeed as a dancer. Sure. And now all of these things are opening up to me. Yes. You know, I would have been, I would have been.

I think happy the rest of my life being a Chicago theater actor. Sure. Like, things shot me off in different directions, and I'm also happy here. But, like, there are just many different ways to identify what it means to succeed. But I think she also has a unique perspective of, I know what it means to be at this phase of your life and narrowly thinking, like, well, also saying, this is my dream. Yeah. And we all had dreams, right? So it's like, you couldn't deviate from that.

Like, you had to be so. So laser focused, especially with such a specific discipline as ballet and being a soloist, like there is no way to sort of deviate. As you get older and things unfold a certain way, sure, then you can maybe open yourself up to the possibilities. But it's like if you're not going to give your all for the practice that you have been dedicating your life to since you were a child, you know, like what else is there? What is it all been for? You know, so I think it's interesting because Beth has this very, very specific and unique perspective to offer Stacey.

And we watch Stacey on stage and she's killing it initially. And then she kind of like takes a tumble, right? And falls in the middle of this performance and the audience sort of like kind of sits there quietly. And Beth doesn't know what else to do other than. to go to her side. And sit down on stage with her. And sit down on stage with her. That was a moment.

Because she was sort of like up and she's like, are you okay? Are you hurt? And she's like, I'm fine or whatnot. And she's like, well, what you want to do? And she was just sort of frozen. She's like, I can't do this or whatnot. And you see Beth take this moment to just plop down and be like, all right, well, I'll just be out here with you.

You know what I'm saying? And she asked like, why did you choose me? Right. And she's like, because I see a fire in you that I recognize. within myself, you know? And she just says, like, you're going to do it. You're going to be fine. And when you're ready, we'll do it.

I love the way Hooks directed this, because it's like the audience ceased to exist. And that is, to be that present with another human being in their time of profound need. Need. Yeah. Is awesome. To not be checking outside, to be like, oh, it's everybody.

She's just like, no, no, no. It's just you and me here. It's just us. And I'll sit here as long as you need. As long as you need. It was a beautiful. And then, you know, her husband says, like, girls, you may not remember a lot of stuff,

but, like, I need you to remember how dope this woman is. That is your mother. How incredible she is. Because it was pretty, and I would like to think that I could do that for another human being. And I think, like, I've had instances in my life where, like, my kids have gone through tough times and I'm like, hey, man, you're going to be fine.

Yeah. We're going to be here. But, like, to just sit down on stage, like, forget the humiliation, forget about my own personal sort of like, oh, I have all this stuff riding on it, which is what she was feeling before and talking to it. She's like, you know what right now?

Just me and you stays. It's just the greatest gift you can give to another human being is your presence. And she did it. It was cool. It was real cool. They get home. Randall says the girls are obviously giving rave reviews.

Beth is downstairs with a glass of wine. She's like, I'll meet you back upstairs. And she gets this wild hair. Yeah. to call Vincent, who was her teacher. Yeah. Goren Wiesnich, is that how you pronounce his name? From ER?

From E.R. Yeah. My man who basically took over for Doug Ross. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Handsome cat. Because we saw on a flashback.

Yeah. That, that... Randall and Beth and gone to D.C. ...were at a dinner once, and she had an opportunity to tell Vincent how she felt or how he made her feel. through the process. Yeah, like a year and a half after she left and quit dance. And she made an attempt at talking to him

and kind of froze and missed her opportunity. You know what I loved about how he played this? In each one of these instances, he was like happy to see her. Yeah. He was like, what's going on with you? I think he was. He's like, I always knew that you had a wonderful brain

or wonderful talent that you were going to make something of yourself. And I think she was expecting, like, oh, it's you again. Right. You know what I'm saying? Whatever she had built up in her mind's eye of, yeah, her expectation of what this conversation was going to consist of. Yeah. So, like, it is interesting. In the past.

He, like, didn't match that at all. Not at all. He came with a completely different energy. You should come to the studio. The girls would love to see you. And she's just like, all right, I got to go. She's like, I don't know what to do with this. Yeah, I wasn't expecting this.

I wasn't prepared for this at all. You're not playing the part that I need you to play in my head. Yeah. Yeah. Randall's like, you sure you don't want to get the bread pudding? They're like, no, they're out. So now, part two, she calls him on the phone. She calls him on the phone and tells him how hurt she was when he replaced her after her dad died after he had said that he really believed in her. And how that failure made her feel so small.

And that's the part that she hates about herself and she hides from everyone. And, you know, but what she has learned throughout this process and over the years, and especially right now with the role that she's in, is that there is power in waiting in the wings and being there for the stars and the ones that aren't. And essentially, like, this power makes her realize she knows who she is and she knows what she's meant to do now. So it almost turns into exactly what you would envision when you're telling someone how they've hurt you. And it turns into like a debt of gratitude of thank you. Because had I not gone through this with you, I would not know what I'm capable of. I would not know what I deserve and what I want and who I am. So because I've carried this trauma and this pain with me for the entirety of the last 25 years of my life or 20 years of my life or something,

I, I, I, I owe you. I owe you for what you pushed me to do and see in myself. There is, she, he said something like, it wasn't my responsibility to coddle you. Like, I was supposed to give you the skills in order to be the best, right? And what I loved about this is that, like, at no point in time was he vilified. I was like, oh, he was wrong for how he did her. Like, no, he actually, actually, even casting-wise, the way that they did it on the show,

it wasn't like they replaced young Bethany with like a super, like, alpine white girl or whatnot. It was another black girl who just had it. You know what I'm saying? And it was like, I like that he wasn't vilified. Yeah. But he had a perspective and that she had a perspective. But I also really appreciate that by going through what she

had gone through. She's like, I do, somebody can occupy a space of championing people who don't always get champions. Yeah. Yeah. You know, because sometimes, and I think about that in terms of this career, like, there are well-meaning, well-intentioned people that just have blind spots and don't feel like, well, I'm not, I can't give that extra time or energy when other people can do it. Sometimes, yeah, it's okay to give that extra time. And also, you know, if the entirety of your success is writing on, on the focus and attention of an outside person. Yeah. I don't think that that ability stands on its own.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I had an acting teacher who's like, if you can do anything other than acting, go do it. Yeah. Heard that one. You know what I mean? And it's not meant to dissuade people.

It's meant it's like a gut check. Yeah. Where it's like if what I just said made you question. Question yourself. Yeah. in any way, then maybe take a closer look at that question. Sure. If you heard me say that and it went in one ear and out the other,

you'll be fine. You know what I mean? Totally. And so, like, this idea of, it mirrors what Kate went through with the singing audition. Yeah. It has nothing to do with how you look. Right. This lady over here is a better singer.

Right. You're right. He's not vilified and it's like neither is wrong in this situation. In a way. Yeah. She is definitely entitled to have felt hurt and dismissed. But he was also kind of just doing his job. Yeah.

Yeah, the other young ladies that he was responsible for too. Like, it does go to show you how powerful a mentor is who says, like, you. Sure. Like, because I don't think I'd be an actor if I didn't have that mentor that said, like, you know what? You should do this. Right. It creates audacity. You know what I'm saying?

And, like, it's helpful. It's very, very helpful. The last part of it is we flash forward, yes? And I knew it was the flesh for it because I was like, Oh, her hair's different. We only see this, we only see this hairstyle in the future. Yeah. Because now she's old, Beth.

The only person had to get old on this damn show was Brown, really. And Mandy, too. Yeah, we're in the same boat. But, Beth, I was not exactly the same boat because you're still pretty. But Brown just got. She had her cryptkeeper years. I had my cryptkeeper years, for sure. In the end, this season, you'll see.

Stay tuned. Yeah, we'll see. Stay tuned. But I was like, oh, Sue looks really pretty. I was like, oh, she's supposed to be a little, a little older. Sue and Justin, they're like, now, this is what you can talk. They stood up for themselves. They were just like, okay.

They were like, listen, I'm just going to come in tired, all right? You don't. Life has been hard for both of you gentlemen. Not for them so much. Just a little less makeup. I'll come and tired. But now we see that Sue is the boss, boss, boss. She's the boss.

Yeah, yeah. She has dozens of, she gets a postcard from Stacey. That's right. Who is the soloist in a production of the Nutcracker. I didn't quite catch where. I forget where it said. It's kind of like a big deal or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And in her card, I think she says, I did. I can and I did. I can and I did because before they had to look in the mirror and say, I can and I will. Yeah. Which is very cool. And she puts this postcard up next to Stacey's picture. Stacey, of course, was the first picture on this bulletin board.

And now we see that there are... Covered. It is littered with so many other women. Successes. By the way, Ebony Freeman's pictures on that board is. It is. Is it really? Yeah, that's great.

I love those Easter eggs. That's great. Very cool. And, you know, if we want to jump ahead to the kind of Beth storyline, You know, her father, her father who has, and the book ends of this episode, reminded us that she was the little island girl who danced before she could walk. She did things in our own way in our own time. And who is going to change the world someday.

Yeah. That's what he said. And to be honest, some people change the world as the soloist in a nutcracker. Yeah. But the work that Beth is doing is behind the scenes. seems to be rippling out much further. I also, like, you ever heard that thing, those who can do, those who can't teach or what have you?

Like, I would love to sort of, like, do away with that mentality as it's reductive and sort of dismissive of like just how important mentors, teachers, like, people who see your potential, who believe in you enough until you can have that level of belief in yourself. I would not be. If it wasn't for Milton Ray Zoth, who was my high school drama teacher, for Dr. Harry J. Elam Jr., who cast me in my first play at Stanford University, and said, like, you know, I know you're going to major in economics, but I think, you know, you have fun doing this thing,

and you should just maybe keep auditioning for things. Without a man by the name of Ron Van Loo at NYU, who was a scene study teacher, who told me, like, you know, you're very good at figure. out the answers, but I think you could spend a little bit more time just contemplating the questions. Just as people. Yeah. These people who they, like, drop shit in you that just sort of stays there and then comes out in a whole other way.

Like, thank you to the teachers, man. Like, especially in like Western society, because I think they do a better job in the East of really giving them the respect and admiration that they actually deserve. We saw these people short. And when we got to COVID, I was like, I will never sell you short a game. Yeah. I need you. I love you.

I appreciate you. We can't do nothing without you. There is nothing without teachers. They're so underappreciated, underpaid, underserved. Like, it is, it's abysmal. Yes. Quite frankly. Without going deeper than that.

Shall we go to the next one? Yes. Which one you would do? Do you want to do? Rebecca and Miguel and the kids? Sure. Miguel, Kate, Kevin, and Sophie are grocery shopping

for Thanksgiving. They're walking into Rebecca and Kate's house. Sophie is talking about this loss they're going to live in in New York and just like daydreaming about this life that they're going to have one day. And Kevin just like does not chime in. He kind of ignores it.

That's right. Which is a little curious. Barely look at her. Yeah, yeah. It's like, okay, I don't know what's going on there. I don't know what we're meant to think about that. And then Rebecca walks in. Well, next time you pick the movie. Laughing with Matt, who's like her new boyfriend. I also love that Mandy Moore at this time is 30-something.

Matt's probably 50-something. I was like, look at Mandy Moore acting with these grown-ass dudes. This is fun. Oh, I love it. And she's surprised to see her family there. Hey. Hi. Miguel.

How are you doing? And the kids. This is my good friend. Matthew. Yeah. Just saw a movie together. Yeah. And it's severely uncomfortable.

And there's some good, you make some good jokes. Brian, not Matt trying to fit in, but like the kids are looking at him. Like, yo, bro. Yeah. You ain't my dad. Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to be our new daddy.

Don't bring your dad jokes in here. But she also meets Miguel. He also meets Miguel. Yeah. This is our good family friend, Miguel. Dude, the way that this Miguel Rebecca thing plays out. Yeah. Because this is...

It's such a slow burn. It's such a slow burn, but it is... It's so delightful how the audience has the joy of knowing where things are going and sort of being ahead of those two people. Right? And even when they're just trying to be friends with each other, it's like, you guys, you even think about it or whatnot? But I think it gives the audience, ultimately, I believe, the ability to love Miguel because he was not plotting. No. Like, at all.

Right. But he was annoyed. Yep. I don't like another guy. Yeah. And then she was annoyed. In the end when he wants to invite his girlfriend at Thanksgiving, yeah. Yeah.

And I was like, guys, it sounds good. That says something. That says something right there if you're annoyed about someone having a significant other. For sure. Totally, totally, totally, totally. But Rebecca ends up kind of like inviting him to Thanksgiving. She sort of feels bad that they're talking about it in front of him. And it's like, so what are your plans?

And he's like, I'm just usually by. myself and it's like, oh, well, obviously you should come to our Thanksgiving. That would be weird and not invite you now. Miguel's like, oh, well, nice of him to sort of invite himself or whatever. She's like, that's not what happened. And he's like, whatever. And then at one point, Sophie, like, oh, you guys seem really cute. Like, do you think he's going to be the new guy?

And Miguel's like, right? Snoose fast on her. And Rebecca's like, oh, we're just having fun. Like, it's very casual. It's, I think that's what she thinks, too. It's like, this is not the person to go the distance, but I'm doing what I think I'm supposed to be doing. I'm starting to try to enjoy my life again.

It's also a bit, like, I think about this after my pops passed away, and Arlene Brown had a couple of attempts at dating. I remember the one guy who sat in your chair. Yeah, he sat in your chair. His name was Udo Muebu. I'd come home and you'd be like, I lost Staling, how you doing? I'm like, you can get out of my chair

and I'll tell you how I'm doing, you know what I'm saying? I'm trying to watch Batman, the animated series. Get out of my shit. Get out of my webware. Get out of my webway. Get out of my webway. Yeah. That was a good joke.

Oh, Lord, have mercy. But like, and I think I always want, I wouldn't have been mad. Like, because she never really saw never be married or whatnot. But I never felt like I would have begrudged it. I was like, no, life goes on. You're a human being.

You deserve companionship in whatever way. I was like, I don't like that dude, but like, you picked another dude. It would be okay. But I get the position of the kids, too. And they're like, oh, there's another dude in my house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that has to be so strange.

Yeah, it's a funky little thing to negotiate. But Kevin's drinking a lot. As we've established. As drinking, Kate's gained some weight. Yeah. She says, you want to say anything about my weight? You want to say anything about my drinking? Do you want me to?

Yeah. All right, cool. Moving on. Keep it moving. And then eventually, Kate's like, what's going on with you? Like, you've been really strange, being weird. And he's like, you know, it's been hard out in L.A. She's like, what's really going on?

Like, there's this girl in my acting class and Kate, it was just one time. Oh, and you're just like, like punched in the gut, this guy. Now, we knew. We knew from history that, like, that would cause the divorce from the first time around was infidelity or whatnot, but now we're being presented with it right before Thanksgiving. And then Kate's like, you got to tell her.

And he's like, Kate, she, what if she doesn't forgive me? Like, what if that doesn't go the way they're supposed to go? It doesn't matter. You have to tell her. And this isn't because Kate's in the rock and the heart places. You're talking about my best friend. and my brother, right? So eventually, like, she sort of confronts him.

After she has that conversation with Rebecca and whatnot about Matt, then Kev walks away. Yeah, because Rebecca's like, I mean, it's casual. It's not like you guys. Like, you guys are meant to be. Right. You know, you guys are a real love story and he just sort of like turns on his deal and walks out. I have to go take a jet lag nap. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he leaves, and she's just sort of like,

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then I'm curious to be called a hot take? It could be considered a hot take. This is the hot take, and I want you to disagree with me, unless you don't disagree with me. If your intention is to repair your marriage and to be together, then some people could consider them unburdening themselves a selfish act that does not do anything but give that other person an image in their head that they did not have before.

disagree with me. But I'm saying that like the other take is like you do the work and you sort of like get your shit together. Yeah, but you show up as a better husband. That's the point. Okay. Is that he's not. Yeah.

He is making it so evident that something is wrong that anyone in their right mind would push in question like what what is going on? Something is totally off with you with us. Like what did I do? She even said she's like, are you mad at me? Yeah. Right. Through all of his own misbehavior, he's still.

making it about himself. He's punishing her for it. Yeah. And even in the confession, he makes it about him. What is he was tearing me apart. She goes, that must have been hard for you. Yeah, it must have been really hard for you. Yeah.

And in the confession, he also says, please don't take it out on Kate. I told her not to say anything. Ugh, which again, I'm like, dude. Leave her out of it. As we have identified in later, or in previous seasons, Here Cubs wrecking ball, Kevin. Ruinning everyone's life. What did I say?

Yeah. So she leaves, obviously. She's very angry at Kate. Very angry at Kate. And there's a Thelman-Louise reference between the two of the movies. We've learned they're that good of friends. They're that close. They were going to watch the movie before.

One's Delma, one's Louise. And as she's leaving... Well, they're listening to Alas Morissette's cover of King of Pain. Yeah, that's right. Thanks. Full on. As she's leaving, like, she's like, what did you want me to do? She's my brother, right?

And she just kind of looks. I give this girl credit. I want to remember her name right now because young Sophie, she shows up. Amanda Layton. She's wonderful. Yeah. She's so good. She's wonderful.

She's so good. She's wonderful. She got like, the look on her face was like, you know what? All right, choose your brother, man. And also, like, the sweetest. Yes. It was always so nice to be around them. She's adorable.

She just, like, always had a smile on her face, was chatty and, kind and then like would wallop you with this performance. Yeah, she killed that shit. Yeah, she killed it. Yeah, and this whole storyline kind of, we find it in our modern day story with Kevin and Madison and Kate and Toby and Elijah that Kevin still is behaving this way. You know, that's essentially the mirror is like between the modern day. It's like he still... Not much has changed.

Not much has changed. He still has a pretty self-centered view of the world and how it should work. He keeps implying that he's really excited to bring his kids to the cabin for Thanksgiving so they can participate in the Pearson traditions. I want to give him a little bit of grace here and that like Thanksgiving is what... He's excited and looking forward to it. He's myopic, but I don't think he's... No, he's not...

knowingly being self-centered. I agree. Okay. Yeah. I just wanted to make it. I just, okay. Yes, because I do feel like there is middle ground here. This was something I found difficult about this particular storyline.

I was like, it's okay for him to want to have his kids at Thanksgiving. For him to think that it is just his right without even like talking to Sophie about it. Right, right, right. Right. Right. Right. Madison. Different blonde.

Different blonde. But so I found it challenging that I was. was like, oh, they need to be in better communication and figure out a plan because, like, them both wanting what they wanted was totally reasonable. But, yeah, so I was like, the fact that Madison was just like, no, well, I'm taking the kids and starting my own tradition with them. I was like, well, that doesn't sound totally fair either. Like, there has to be a middle ground.

If you guys aren't going to be together, this year, you guys get, you know, like, I just, the fact that that was left sort of open-ended and that we were, meant to maybe side more with Madison. I was like, well, we need a little conflict. A little, yeah, I was like, I don't totally agree with that. I feel you. I feel you. I also love, like, in that first opening scene, too, that, like, he's going out of his way

to, like, make a special brunch with, like, all these waffles and et cetera. And my man comes in with his homemade muffins. And everybody's like, hey, man, these muffins is shit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, even Tobias was in the middle of, like, a. A phone call or whatever. He's like, you remember these?

Mom's? And then this is where the 87% comes in because this is not scripted. Kiss on the forehead? Yeah. It's beautiful. Yeah. Dude, Strangé.

Just loved it. I liked Adam a lot. Working to kiss wherever I can get one, you know? So, but later on that day, everybody's going to get together to go to the first taping of the Manny. Reboot. The Manny Reboot. They're going back to the Manny Rubeboo.

Everybody excited. Bro. you're gifted but like I love the inside baseball of like acting like you don't know the industry and talking about all the things

that happen in the industry is fucking hilarious it's so funny talking about wait there's a few of them that you mentioned the punch up

the punch up a punchup is where they take a bad joke and they make it better yeah yeah Yeah, it's so good. It's so good. Because you're like schooling about Elijah about everything that's going on, et cetera,

and he's just sort of like he's happy to be there. Also, Elijah, like as soon as he showed up, one, I loved Adam. Love, he's still with us. Yes. But he and Toby were peasant. If we had had one more season. You guys would have been besties. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Toby finally would have had a friend. A real friend. There's a Jeff Probes joke. back there. There's a craft services joke back there and the punchup. Okay, I wrote them down. I have to make sure. Then Kev goes back to talking to Madison about the cabin. Madison, ultimately, did she tell them, I'm sorry if I jumped over anything, but she does tell them. She tries to say, like, I don't want to have the conversation right now. Like, you got something to do, like go ahead and do your taping, et cetera, et cetera. But Kate and she are also making faces at each other

which is not helping either. Obviously, he's going to bring it up. Can't keep sharing these looks like what's going on. She's like, I just want to have a quiet Thanksgiving with the kids, with Elijah, here. And he's like, so you're just going to shit over like my family traditions and keep me away from the kids? And she's like, look, man, I'm not trying to do that. But like, you didn't even really ask me what I wanted. And now this is the first time I have to articulate it. Kate told me I shouldn't have brought it up before.

So it's a little thrown under the bus because, oh, Kate knew. And he's like, ah, you know what, screw everybody. Yeah. Right? I'm really glad because I didn't remember what happened. I'm really glad the writers didn't self-destruct him. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like, I was like, does he mess all this up again? I can't remember if this all gets messed up. But they let him succeed. He kills it. There's growth. There's growth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's like, and it's funny too because as they're doing the show and he's sort of talking about how important his kids are to him on the show, et cetera.

And Madison's like, maybe I'm being too. tough, like maybe I shouldn't. And Kate's like, you deserve to have what you want. Like, you know, you deserve to be with the man who wants to be with you, right, and be excited. Like, you're not wrong for wanting what you want. A hundred percent. You know? And I think that's even reflected later in the conversation between Kev and Kate, like, where he's like, thanks for having my back. And she's like, bro, I've been having your back since we've been in the womb, like literally, you know, back to back. Like, what are you talking about? Um, and then he, she sort of articulates for him like, bro, you could have said I love you. You didn't. Yeah. Right. Now she's got a dude who's like

madly in love with her who wants to spend all his time with her and you want her to like do something with us. Like, come on. Yeah. Like have some perspective. Yeah. Not saying that you're like wrong for not wanting to be around your kids, but have some grace for this woman who bore your children. Yeah. And he was raising them. Who is raising them. Right. And so he goes straight over to her house. Go straight to the house. Make some ends. You know. what, you're right. Like, you deserve to have the Thanksgiving that you want. I'm sorry for, you know, doing it my way. And she's like, thank you. I appreciate that. And our man, Elijah steps out. Come on, man. You're talking about, you're talking about somebody dropping name nuts?

I also loved, he's such a good actor. He's so funny that, like, you can see him being nervous about, like, she's trying to be tough with this giant movie star. But it's also, like, like fully aware that he is not. That he's like out of his league. Yeah, and he plays it. I mean, better than I've seen anybody play it. Kind of great. It's kind of great.

I mean, he, like, I love how for Madison, like, it's sort of like, you know, I would never expect, like, this, you know, handsome movie star to be, and he's like, you know, I'm batting way out of my league. Yeah. Right? So, like, there's a, like, she's not the person.

Like, he's like, I'm lucky that this chick is here. And, like, if you're saying, sitting here waiting around because you think I'm not going to stay, then you're going to be waiting around for a long-ass time. Yeah. And he's like, note it. Yeah. Like, you can see Kev be like, you know what?

Let him have it. She does deserve him. Also, let him have this moment. Yeah. Kevin is like, point taken. Point taken. I mean, like, with a smile and like, yeah. Yeah.

You put your big boy fans on. I got you. Good job, buddy. Yeah. Yeah. And that's that. It was, it's great. Good episode.

It was a really good episode. A beautiful, beautiful arc for Sue, for Beth, and sort of stepping into her own. You know, I remember in season one, they were like, I was like, hey, what does Beth do again? And they're like, oh, she's a city plan. And like, I don't think they had a very clear sketch of it. And I love that they took the time, over time,

to be more concrete with, like, what it is that she did and then what it is that she loved. And then sort of being able to reunite her with that thing that she loved, which is very, very, very cool. And now it also means that we have a Thanksgiving episode coming up. The next episode. We don't miss Thanksgiving because I was like, is Thanksgiving about to happen? I was like, no, the Pearson's don't miss Thanksgiving.

So I can't even remember just yet, but I'm excited to see. Oh, I do. You know? It was a big Rebecca conversation with the kids at Thanksgiving. Oh, this is what it happens? Yes. This is my shit right here. But it was also like Rebecca in the past.

It was like I was in three different timelines. I just remember it was a really. Knowledge. Heavy episode. Yeah. And I think that this is the episode that Glenn directed. Is it? Yeah.

Yeah. Coming up. 607. Great. I love Glenn. I think, if I'm correct. Well, please leave us a comment. Let us know your thoughts on YouTube or Spotify.

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Ready? Our fan segment. Be right back after this. You guys are silly. All right, welcome back to our fan segment. We've got a couple of emails here with regards to the episode. We haven't read these. We haven't read these.

We're coming to them cold. We know they have something to do with the world of dance. Yeah. And we're excited to take again. Who wants to read the first? Who will break it up? Because they look like they're full ones. I'll read the first paragraph or so.

Okay. Off you go. Okay. Hello, that was us, crew. Smiley face. Just wanted to write in and tell you about how much this is us impacted through the trajectory of my life and my story. I have so many favorite storylines from the show,

but my number one fave, has to be Beth and her journey with dance. I grew up in a beautiful dance academy, visionary performing arts academy in Pittsburgh, owned and operated by Nicole Carter, who we all affectionately called Mrs. Nicky. It was an amazing life experience to grow up dancing, starting at age three, and to be taught by a black woman that I could see myself in, in the city. Dance was a safe space for me to grow up in, and I still look back fondly on my experiences, and all that the discipline of dance taught me. In college, I majored in education and after graduation moved to Texas to begin my teaching journey. I stayed in the general education classroom for nearly 10 years all along

feeling deep within that there was a, that there was, I think something just more for me. Just more for me. Excuse me, okay. I just knew that I wasn't living my dream yet. As Beth's storyline unfolded and we discovered that she was a dancer, I remember. remember the tears welling up as I realized that I, too, had left dance behind as a dream. I don't remember it ever being a conscious or deliberate thing. It was just the direction my professional career started to take me. Although it had been years since I danced in a formal classroom setting, dance was always, always in my heart. It had always been a part of my life as it grew up. So as an adult, I could feel the gaping hole that not being involved in

dance created in my life. After Beth opened her own dance studio, I remember having the feeling that a light switch had been turned back on inside of me. A few years prior, I had written in my prayer journal about my dream of being a dancer and a dance teacher, but for many reasons I just felt like that dream was too big. After watching Beth's episode, I opened that journal back up and took a breath. I knew that I could no longer ignore my dream. It was right there in front of my face, and I just felt that story. stirring inside that told me things were about to move and change.

I took an exam and got certified to teach dance in the state of Texas. A short couple of months later, I met a principal looking for a dance teacher on her pre-K through eighth grade campus. And this school year, 2024 to 2025, I began for the first time in my career where I started as a three-year-old in the dance studio. I attribute so, so much of this awakening and remembering of my dream to Beth. I wake up every day and head in to my school's dance studio, never having had imagined this being an actual possibility for my life. Words just can't describe the absolute awe I feel each day.

I get to go to work and not only enjoy what I do, but I get to love it, more than I've loved anything else. So I thank the writers of This Is Us for giving me Beth and sincerely thank and honor Susan Coletchi Watson for masterfully and so vulnerably bringing Bethany to life and in turn, Resurrecting the dreams inside of me and reminding me to keep my lines straight, my back tall, and to never stop dancing ever again. Thank you, Jasmine. Wow! That is unbelievable, Jasmine. There you go. Yeah!

That is so beyond cool. Yeah. Impacting lives in a direct, just... A very direct way. One-to-one ratio. Yeah. Holy cow. Art imitating life, imitating art.

Dreams. Dreams deferred, dreams ignored. People, listen, I know practicality gets in the way of a lot of things. And it has to sometimes. It has to sometimes. Pay attention to them dreams. If there is a way that you can honor them, if there's a way that they can make their way into your life. In some capacity.

Give yourself permission. Yes. Yes. Oh, that felt good. Yeah, that is. That felt good. That is truly. Thank you for sharing, Jasmine.

Thank you, Jasmine. And congrats on your new lease on life. Hell, yes, sister. Here's another email. You want to start it? Hey, that was us. Yeah? What?

That was me. And then the email says, my name is Harry, quote, unquote, female. Harry with an eye. Harry with an eye. I've been, my name's Chris. That was me. And then back to the email. I've been a dancer for 16 years, and I just recently turned 18.

And fun fact, I have seven, siblings. Wow. And most of us watched the show as it came out with our folks. That's wild. Yeah. That's wild. So, let's see, if she's...

Two when she started dancing. She just recently turned 18. I mean, she started watching This Is Us when she was eight. Eight? Yeah. All right. Stranger Things have happened. Yeah.

I like that show, too. Beth's backstory really resonated with me. The way she needs. navigates through the dance world and finds her way back to her love of dance is so true to many dancers' lives. I personally found it hard to navigate through the rejection that comes so frequently in the dance world and that led to not feeling good enough and not even wanting to continue. But I found that the love of the art perseveres through the loneliness and rejection that you face, and I saw that portrayed so well with Beth's character, and I'm truly thankful for that.

I'm now on to dance at Disney World in late October. Yes. And that is all because I didn't give up. This is Us story and characters truly did help me realize how dreams can come true and happiness is possible through the hurt and rejection. I truly love you guys. I am such a huge fan of the show. I've been watching since season one as a kid.

There you go. Thank you for giving everyone a true representation of what a family looks like. You guys are amazing, Harry. P.S. Mandy, my dancer, heart and brain loves the forever now, and I always wanted to choreograph to it. It keeps me inspired. That's so sweet. I would love to see that, Harry. I can't wait to see it.

This bar that she dropped, how dreams can come true and happiness is possible through the hurt and rejection. Yeah. That's it. That's it. That's all of it. Right there. I mean, that's life. This is us.

Yeah. And life. Yeah. Yeah, totally. It's sometimes you have this bifurcation in your brain that like, oh, I'm hurting right now, so I just have to be hurt. Or I'm happy right now so that that other thing doesn't even possible. And it's all, it's just a little bit messier than that. And just because it's messy doesn't mean you don't just keep going.

That's right. Yeah. Keep on going. Well, thank you for sharing these emails with us. Congratulations on your Disney gig. Yeah, that's so cool, Harry. Yeah. Must be short for Harriet, I think.

Yeah. I think so. The H-A-R-R-R-I. Or even Henrietta sometimes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a great name. Great nickname. You want to tell them where they can check out the show?

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