That Was Us - Dinner in the New House | "Storybook Love" (405)

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

On today’s episode of That Was Us, we’re diving into Season 4, Episode 5: Storybook Love. The Big Three reunite at Rebecca's new house to celebrate Kevin and Sophie getting married, but when things don’t go as planned, Rebecca is reminded of the very first meal she shared with Jack in their new home years earlier. Mandy, Chris, and Sterling talk about grief and moving on from a loved one, how your purpose can evolve and change, and so much more! That Was Us is produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Music by Taylor Goldsmith and Griffin Goldsmith. ------------------------- Support Our Sponsors: - Brought to you by Bombas, One Clothing Item Purchased = One Clothing Item Donated Head over to https://bombas.com/ and use code TWU for 20% off your first purchase. - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/TWU and get on your way to being your best self. - Buy four cartons and get the fifth free, at https://davidprotein.com/thatwasus. You can also find David on Amazon and at local retailers—just use the store locator on their website. Humans aren’t perfect, but David is. - Go to https://OmahaSteaks.com to get 50% off sitewide, plus an extra 20% off select favorites and more limited-time deals during their Early Black Friday Sale. And use Promo Code TWU at checkout for an extra $35 off. Minimum purchase may apply. See site for details. A big thanks to our advertiser, Omaha Steaks! ------------------------- 🍋 About the Show: The stars of This Is Us, Mandy Moore, Sterling K. Brown, and Chris Sullivan, dive back into the world of the Pearsons, reliving each episode and all the life lessons that came with it. Together, they dig in and dig deep, have the tough conversations, bring in very special and familiar guests, share never-before-heard behind-the-scenes moments, and feature listeners in highly anticipated fan segments. Join your favorite family back in the living room to examine our past, cherish our present, and look to the future with new episodes of That Was Us every Tuesday. ------------------------- 00:00:00 Intro 00:00:32 Discussion 01:18:13 Fan Segment 01:37:04 Outro Executive Producers: Natalie Holysz, Rob Holysz & Jeph Porter Creative Producer: Sam Skelton Video Editor: Todd Hughlett Mix & Master: Jason Richards Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On today's episode of That Was Us, we're diving into Season 4, Episode 5, Storybook Love. Rebecca plans a special dinner to reunite the big three after Kevin and Sophie get married. But when things don't go as planned, she's reminded of the very first meal she shared with Jack in their new home years earlier. In the present, Kevin tries to help Cassidy get her husband. been back. Lady and gentlemen, how you doing? Hello. I'm still chewing.

Fine, sirs. A delicious bite of my David Protein Bar. You better get that David Protein Bar. Yeah. I'm proud sponsor of that was us. Thank you very much. Delightful. So this episode, were you talking about you didn't remember all the directs?

I remember Milo. This was directed by Milo. This was Milo. This was his first episode? Possibly, because he did two. Justin did two. One, one. Yeah, and I believe season five was a wash because of COVID.

Because of COVID, yeah. It was just too challenging, I think, to have, like, actor-directors that season. So I believe it was four and then six. That makes sense. But I do remember Milo in this as a director. One thing that caught me about this episode is this is the first and possibly only episode that had headers. Yeah, that had, like, text on the...

Ordures, salads. entree dessert pizza seems like a director's choice I would imagine yeah I'm a mistake but but but like no no maybe something asked my know about accidentally left them in but it did also structurally it always began

with Jack and Rebecca at the at the house moving in for the first time and then it would transition into what was happening either in the past storyline or in the present storyline the horrors de Uvras yeah my favorite Real quick, I'm a big fan of taboo, the board game.

Yeah. Love it, one of my favorite group games. Probably celebrity and mafia have surpassed it in terms of, like, group games to do playability or not. But taboos are, the buzzers, always a joy. Yeah. I remember, I was like, my ruling taboo is don't pass. I was in grad school with my dear friend Nichelle Hines, who's just as competitive as I am. I am. We're on the same team. We're vibing. I passed on something. We went through. And she's

like, Brown, why did you pass? And I said to her at age 23, what the hell is a horde ofore? And she said, like, oh, you poor thing. Yeah. A horde vore. You poor young man. Yeah. Right? Like, you have, now I know I couldn't say starters or appetizers, anything like that. But I'd said, I don't know, what the hell is a horde of war? Yeah. She said, and until you said, you've never had a canape? I've also There's certain things that you don't know Until you don't know that you don't know that I will I will throw I will throw

Rachel Sullivan under the bus Let's do it when I'll do Ryan Michelle Bafay next When when she we were first met and we went to the store and and she was Was looking at a list and trying to figure out how to buy crudeites Sure Because if you've Is it? Like a crouton?

Like, what is a crudite? If you've never, I also, when I was, when I, crudite, right? But if you've heard the word, you know what crudete is, but if you've never seen it written and you're like, crudeite, what is that? What is that? Gosh, what ingredient is that? I told you, I did that in college. With what?

With my theater class. Yeah. I had never opened my book. I only took notes. Uh-huh. And there's a theater instrument is called a fernel, right? It's called a fernel. That's what a certain type of light is called.

but it is spelled F-R-E-S-N-E-L. Oh, right. And so the test, the final is the only test we had, and the first question is about fresnals. Spell. Which I had never seen that word before my life, and I raised my hand in for the whole, excuse me. I'm loud.

What's a fresnel? What's a fresnel? And my teacher just looked at me and said, it's pronounced fernel. There you go. Silent us. Listen. Okay, so I'll throw my wife on the bus,

and then I'll throw me under the bus. We were at the mall. We were at Central City Mall. There's a sale going on at the Macy's. There's a big sale, right? And my wife was looking at the word that was describing the sale, right? And she's just looking at it

for an extended period of time. And then, out of nowhere, she just goes, behemoth. What? I don't even know what it is. I don't either. I can't even tell what it is. it's behemoth

wait that was written on the sale it was a behemoth sale wow that's an odd word to pick I guess so I did the same that's some odd marketing I did the same thing walking past a shop in San Diego once where I stopped and my family walked ahead and they turned around

I'm staring at this sign and the F in the sign was a giraffe like with a bent neck and I'm like a frickin jewelry store wait wait what a freaking jewelry store

it was an African jewelry store but I but I couldn't I was like the F was a giraffe with a bent neck we lost her like and I was just like

what is a freaking a freaking jewelry store Freckin, rocking jewelry is over here. So it happens to all of us. I'm going to give you my last one. Last one, and then we're getting to the meeters episode. Well, first get out of grad school.

You get opportunities to, like, be a reader for auditions, and then sometimes they're reading a script. And the Douglas family, talking about Kirk, Michael, Cameron. We're doing a Douglas family movie. Okay. Right? So I was reading the stage directions for their movie. and oftentimes

Oh hey, I know this story I've told you this story before throughout the script like they're talking about traditional Jewish garb and things that they had to wear and I just kept saying the word yarmulka

out loud throughout the script Yamulka A yamoka yeah yarmulkely Yarmulah swallowing it I said the whole thing and like

oh my God Arjre McDonald was in the movie and everybody like that and she just like looked at me at the end and she touched my leg and she said good job and Michael Douglas came up to me he's like hey man thanks a lot and then

I left this place and I was like it's a fucking Yamaka and until you you see you know what I'm saying yeah yeah listen I play with the drado I'm down for the cause but y'all got to tell me in the moment I'm just jacking this word up the whole

yeah let him know let him know yeah the kind thing would just to have stopped you and said, I think you mean Yamaka. That's what I'm saying. If I got a piece of something in my teeth? And the real question is,

why is there's so much business going on with Yamakas in this movie? Either you're wearing them or you're not, but what's your people are throwing them or they're passing them around? What is happening? That the stage direction involves so much. So much stage direction.

A lot of things happen with Yamakas evidently I did not know about. Anyway, that's... So this episode, yes. When we open, it's dinner prep in Jack and Rebecca's new home, She is pregnant with the triplets and she is looking for I think she's looking for a pot to make lasagna, right?

Like they're just getting settled in their home. Yeah. I feel like this is maybe night, this is night one and their new house. That's right. And while Rebecca is looking for this pot to make lasagna, she gives Jack a string cheese, which I remember looking up to make sure that string cheese existed back then. It did. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Because that was like something that. bumped for me. I was like, what string cheese around? Did you ever Google Tabasco on string cheese? No, that must be like a Milo thing. It might be. Like a thing that he likes? Yeah. Because he he took to it like this is my first time. Yeah, yeah. Like this is exactly. This is my snack of choice. He like a like ketchup on a hot dog. Was there a spit bucket or he's like, no, no, I'm taking down string cheese? Never a spit bucket. I'm with Milo. No. There should have been sometimes. My favorite thing is like, you know, we would tell some of

the younger actors on the show, whose first job this movie was, or like newly into their career, pace yourself with the food and the choices you make when it involves eating in a scene because you are committed to that, you'll be doing it all day. And Milo did not heed this advice himself. I remember specifically there were times when he was mostly vegetarian. Yes. And I remember there was like a vegetarian lasagna-esque situation. Or some sort of Thanksgiving thing that he fully committed to, and he was hungry, like, when the scene started. And so he was, like, wolfing down this food in the scene. And by the time, like, we were done shooting it, he was a little pale.

Dude. Because he had to, like, keep that up. Yeah. He's nuts. Yeah. He knows better. He knows better. Oh.

But, you know. He probably put down, like, five or six string cheese is full of Tabasco and then went home and just was backed up. Yeah, was just backed up. Not bricked up, backed up. Way to bring a full circle. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. So we sort of juxt, should we do that whole storyline or it kind of weaves in into like, yeah, we kind of go back and forth.

Let's go. Let's do the dinner. Let's do the dinner because you're in that whole thing. We meet Kate and Rebecca in their new home. They've been there a month. Right. So they're still getting settled. There's a bed bath and beyond bag. I saw that Rebecca was like, you know, taking something. table linens and stuff out of it just it brought me back to 1999 that's it um it doesn't exist anyway yes they have stores uh i thought they went i feel like they're all kind of going by the wayside a lot of it's just online now i did notice i stopped getting those coupons yeah they were prevalent you know what i'm talking about yeah yeah um and they are they are putting together this big dinner

to celebrate kevin and sophy wait oh my god you guys we missed the biggest revelation of all in the last episode. This is very true. Go ahead. Holy cow. Tell them. Tell them about 404. Tell them what happened

that we forgot to mention. We forgot to mention in 404 that Kevin leaves a voicemail for Rebecca and Kate that he got married. There you go. And Sophie got married. And the episode ends with Rebecca like trying to digest this information, right? Correct. So now we smash cut to this episode. Rebecca, they've moved into their new home.

She's throwing this big celebratory dinner to honor Kevin and Sophie. Randy, Randall and Beth, who are now a couple officially, are coming to this dinner as well. Yes. Miguel is, Kate. Miguel's been around. Miguel's been around. Helping them move in. Yeah, Kate mentions that, you know, and Mom is sort of like, you know what, he talked the

realtor down. He helped get the gutters fixed or whatever. I think that it leaves, that deserves a dinner invite. Absolutely. Yeah. But, yeah, we sort of clock Kate clocking that Miguel has been around. And he's quite comfortable there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it is, I mean, listen, everybody's, like, Kate functions as audience in this sort of moment. It's like, okay. Like, at some point, like, other people will start to, like, come into it or what have you. But no, it doesn't seem like other people are. Were what, a year, year and a half passed, was passing at this point? I'd say probably a year. About a year.

Yeah. About a year. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, where it's still fresh enough where conversation is still being had about, you know, It's okay for us to find the joy in life and we're going to have moments that we wish she was here for, but we can look back on. The flip is, like the flip side of this is, if I, if I passed away, I would expect my best friend to be over at my house all the time too.

Yeah. Yeah. Right? Like helping or checking in or, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like we all know that where this is going. Right. So there's like this thing.

But that's not. Always everybody's story, obviously. Right. It's funny, because I feel the same way as you. But, like, if Rye said, she said, if I, Rye said, if she dies, I expect a good five years of morning. I'm like, come on, man. Yeah.

Five. Thank you. Thank you. Five years? Yeah. You just want me wearing black. Yeah. You could cry on dates.

Yeah. I can cry on a date, but let me go ahead. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. Five years. Thoughts? Thoughts.

What's the morning period? I mean, I feel like this is where it gets tricky because, like, everybody's, like, there's so much judgment. There's so much judgment for the character and for people in general of, like, what the timeline should be. I mean this earnestly, like, what the timeline should be when somebody loses a spouse or a loved one before it's, like, culturally acceptable for them to move on. And I find that so, like, infuriating in a way because it's like, it's like, that's like, that's, It's for no one to designate, like, what works for someone else. Sometimes, like, things just happen. Like, someone walks into your life, like, just appears, and it's unexpected and no...

But, like, it's, I don't know. Let's talk about the appropriate time to mind your own business. It's always. You know what I mean? Yes, sir. I love that. It's always. It is the plot of one of the most famous plays ever made.

It is Hamlet. Yeah. What is the appropriate way? Two things can be true at once. Like you're forever holding that person with you and that loss is inescapable and it's never far from top of mind and you're allowed to find joy again. And like there is no guidebook for how and when that happens. And I feel like I always I always felt very protective of Rebecca and what did eventually happen with her and Miguel. I mean, because to be quite honest, that was a long time in the making.

That was a decade before, like, things sort of ever shifted into anything romantic. And, but again, even for people to, like, yeah, to pass judgment on that always sort of irked me that. I don't think you can pass judgment on anybody after 365 days. Yeah. I think 365 is solid. Before that. Before that, you can, is murky, right? Like, I think a month is too soon.

Sure, sure. I think even six months. A month is suspicious. Wait a minute. I think six to 12 months is gray. I think anything after 12 months? Yeah. That's, I don't know.

It's throwing out there out there. Sure, sure. That's where I feel. Yeah. That tracks. Send us an email. What are your thoughts? Yeah.

What are your thoughts? Yeah, or someone that's maybe perhaps been in that position. Comment below. Is that how you do it? Carlin Brown, my dear dear mother, never remarried after my dad passed away. And she would go out on dates, but nobody ever serious enough to, like, bring home except for this one dude. This one dude. And I didn't like this guy.

But, but it was, I didn't like him because he would, I would watch Batman, the animated series, because this is in the 90s, in high school. And so I had this chair, which was my dad's old chair. And I would set it up in this room and I would go in and I'd turn the TV up loud and I'd turn off the lights. And it would be like, d-t-t-t-t-t-tin-tin-tin, and I'd watch Batman in the animated series. And I remember one time I came home to sit down in my chair and watch Batman in it. And I came to the kitchen, I was like, hey, Ma, why is this brother in my chair? And she's like, oh, Sterling. I was like, no, no, no, no.

Why is this Negro in my chair? But I had no qualms with her looking to be social or connected because it had been a long, long time. And at a certain point, I was like, I hope my mom find somebody. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I look forward to the day. So it was an interesting sort of mirroring because Kev and Randall and Kate all sort of

react to Miguel possibly differently throughout the times. But like, there's a place when you're like, oh, man, you want your parent, the person that you love to feel the same thing that I feel with Beth. You know what I'm saying? Like, that shouldn't end. And by the way, it's not a replacement. Right. It's something wholly new.

I think that's what I was getting at. Like that anybody would pass judgment on that. Like, we all deserve to have that next chapter or the next season. Like, I think that it should be celebrated and not make people feel shamed. Amen. Amen. More that was us after these words from our sponsors. There's something about this time of year that makes comfort a priority.

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available in Chipotle or Ranch, plus tax at participating restaurants in Canada for a limited time. So you're preparing. Everybody is arriving. Beth is there with Randall first. And does she give you the gift before Kev comes in? Or Kev and Sophie come in first? No.

Beth and Randall are there first. Beth and Randall are there first. Because they're talking about how weird it is still that they got married without telling anybody. Does she give you the housewarming gift then? I'm not sure if she's. She gives the hot sauce then. But at some point she does.

At some point she gives a hot sauce. But I want to talk about Kevin, Sophie, at the door, and he's like, hello, wife. And she's my, I call her wife. And this is how we enter places, and he picks her up and carries her over the threshold. And it's really, like, guys, I got, I eloped, right? But, like, I think I did a better job of telling my mom that I got married. Preparing her for that. You know what I'm saying?

Like, the sort of nonchalance that. my man rolls into the places like the specialness of what is supposed to be a hallmark event. Like you've sort of taken it away from everybody and it just sort of seems sort of commonplace, right? I don't know of like what what you were feeling in the midst of it and that, but please speak to it. Yeah, I think that's exactly it. It's like, I think she was really blown away by this decision. It's so unbelievably unexpected. But also like there's, there's, It's done. There's nothing to do about it other than like, well, I have two choices. I could either have no relationship with my son and make him feel awful for this choice that he's made and not including me in any way. Or I could choose to celebrate it and look at it as this joyous milestone in his life and our life as a family and sort of move forward. And she chooses the latter, thankfully. But yeah, it's tough. I think it's also just like there's so much of this of Rebecca's life where she's just like in survival mode and treading water like it's we're

not far removed from I think we're a month away for a month past our last episode where she was at Parents Weekend and telling Carol Best Mom how she just is like so apt to breaking at any moment I don't think we're too far from that I mean obviously finding a home and moving and that's a really big step in and sort of like finding some solid ground, but I think she's just trying to choose the positive. But she is treading water, I think, to a certain extent. For sure. Yeah. In the midst of that, Beth also gives you some hot sauce, talks about how her dad's favorite to her condiment was hot sauce, and he would bring it as a housewarming gift, but really it was just so he would always have hot sauce. So sweet.

You talk about how your husband also loved hot sauce, and we see him throwing a Tabasco on top of the string cheese and kicking that back, this sounds so gross. Yeah. But that's, he also, he also made corn sandwiches. So I guess it's not off brand and the hot dogs. And I, this is true. I guess we should do an episode where we just have all these, right? We just talk about jacks food choices.

Yeah, we should have like a buffet of. Or we just eat all of them? I can't work out right now. So I don't, I don't. So you don't want. No. Hot dogs with salted cheese and melted up saltines. American jeans.

No, I'm a pass. Yeah. I did eat it on set, though. Yeah. Like I was born to it. Yeah. Because I'm committed. Yeah.

Anyway, there was that. They're sitting at the table. And while they're sitting at the table. It's awkward. Miguel's got the wine and he's trying to pass around and making jokes. But nobody else is of age except for him and bath. Nobody talks about that. Do you let your kids drink?

Your kids are too young. No. He's five. He's big. Not. Not the four-year-old, the baby, but not the... He's five, and I've talked about I'm an alcoholic, right? So no?

That's come up, right? Just say no. Just say no. Sometimes my kids look, and they're like, Ozzie will be like, I want Mama's Juice. I'm like, that's not for Ozzy. I will give him a sip. That's why it's called Mama's Juice. It's called Mama's Juice.

I give him a sip so he can be like, why do you even like this? Yeah. I was like, I don't know. I don't know. It's just an adult weird thing that we do, like coffee. There is a knock at the door. Wait, no, no, no, no. Do your kids drink?

Yeah, he just said. He said, they've had said it. I allow them to taste it. I allow them to taste it. And they're just basically, why do you even do this? Bing, by the way, but before the door, Kevin, the dinner is awkward. And I believe, is it Beth that asks, like, why did you guys decide to get married? Yes, yes.

And then they go into this silly, nonsensical. story about how they were in New York and they saw that like the Princess Bride was playing at a movie theater and just it was like then a vendor had like and Randall's like wedding rings he's like close bracelets but jewelry nonetheless

and it just seemed like it was meant to be and everybody's like I guess we need to add a new movie to our we need the Princess Bride to our rack over there. We must certainly need the Princess Bride Jerry McGuire and Police Academy 3 yeah that's a Good one. Okay.

Yes. Good catch. Good call. So then the doorbell rings. Doorbell rings. Who is it? It's Mark. All right.

Yeah. So early in that episode, too, I should say, Kate went to work. It's old. Snidly whiplash. Yeah, we see a shot of her at work. Making out. Making out with Mark. Fiercely.

Yeah, that was like a real. Wait, Mandy. Quiet for one second. Please and thank you. Chris, would you do that one more time? And we just lost. Everybody. Everyone just turned it off.

Everyone just turned it off. Yeah. That was the sounds of Chris Sullivan, a foley artist. Yeah. Telling us what it sounds like to make out behind in a record store. One more time, Chris? Almost exactly. No, I won't do it again because we will lose people.

We will. In the back, the back stock room. Of all the things we talked about on our podcast, our producer has never looked more disgusted. Yeah. Than by that sound. Yeah. cringe city. Apparently she's never made out.

Evidently, because that's what it sounds like. That's what it sounds like. That's exactly what it sounds like. You're welcome. You're welcome. So we know there is some romance there. And he shows up. With this little mustache.

He shows up because I think he knew that Kate wasn't necessarily looking forward to it. And he wanted to be there to sort of support her through the whole thing. Which theoretically feels like. A lovely gesture. Lovely gesture. Listen, this is interesting because I'm clearly projecting because I know where the storyline is going, but the first impression of Mark is not a bad first impression. It's sort of like he's a little mischievous, he's a little quiet, maybe emo or something,

but not negative. Yeah, he's forcing the mustache a little, but. You're really angry about the mustache. There are certain people, it's just like, it's not for you, man. I appreciate you. but it's not for you. Yeah. Yeah.

I get it. And does he say, like, everybody, this is, she says, this is Mark, and does he introduce himself? As Kate's boyfriend. As Kate's boyfriend. Because I remember writing a note, like, is he going to say boss? He's going to say, and he goes, I'm Kate's boyfriend. Yeah.

And I think even she was a little bit like, oh. We are? Well, that's that. I'm Kate's boss friend. So what happens? What is the sort of like critical moment in this dinner that everybody winds up going into the kitchen? Into the kitchen. I think does Kate go first or does Kev go first?

Gosh, I'm trying to remember. They all end up in there. They all end up in the kitchen. The kids wind up in there first before mom gets there. And Kate is sort of commenting on the fact that it's crazy that you got married, dude. Like, you know, you didn't tell anybody. You just sort of went off and did it. I'm supposed to be your person.

You know what I'm saying? Like feeling a little left out of this whole thing. And then Randall's like, what do you guys think of Beth? And Kev's like, yeah, she's like, yeah, she's really great. Like, even her eyeball has a beauty mark. Didn't know that was a thing. Yeah, she's perfect. Sort of admitting a little bit of her own insecurity in the midst of it.

And she's like, well, what do you guys think of Mark? And Randall, like, sort of abstains. And Kev's like, not for you. I don't like him. Yeah. They're immediately protective, both of them. Immediately. Nose, just knows.

You know what I'm saying? He's like, I just don't like him. Yeah, you can just tell. Yeah. Like, what does he say? It's like escargo? Yeah. Like, remember when they tried to get us to do it?

I know I don't like it. I know, right? So then mom walks in. That guy is a cooked snail covered in garlic and butter. You like escargo? No. Yeah. Texture.

Do I like it? It's just a vessel for garlic and butter. That's right. This is the same thing we talked about with lobster. It's just a vessel. You don't believe in it. Okay. I wouldn't say I like order it regularly.

Yeah. It's there. You'll eat it. I'll eat one. When people order oysters, you have them. Oh, I like oysters. I can get an oyster down. I can get an oyster.

Oh, I love oysters. Now, do you like? Hold on. You love an oyster or you like the little onion and the sauce and there's the thing. All of it. All of it. No, no, I love, but I will have the oyster without the like. You'll slurp an oyster plane.

Correct. Love it. Yeah. Yeah. Gross. Sorry. Hot take. Hot take.

Hot take. On my part. On my part. Listen. I'm not a part. Yeah. Two each. Good source of iodine.

Two each room? Yeah. Kind of get that iodine. I just, but I drink it straight. We do. I drink it straight. Okay. I got you.

No judgment. No judgment. The iodine. Look at my tongue. So mom comes in. And she reads them. Go for it. I love a good Rebecca read.

Yeah. She says, listen here, my little bitches. All three of you. More or less, just sort of like, I think she kind of cracks a little bit. Yeah. You know how it just takes, like, whatever it is, the straw that breaks the camel's back. Like, moving is one of the more stressful things you can do, death-divorce moving, hosting. Hosting.

A child who just got married unexpectedly, who's 19. Another who's, I just found out, has a boyfriend at the job that she just got. Like, there's so much new information swirling around. And I don't think, I'm just going to say it. I don't think that cooking is Rebecca's strong suit to begin. with. I think hosting just, it's something that like maybe she, um, she finds incredibly stressful. So I think she's just, she's like committed herself to making this like big dinner with like Cornish game hens. It's all gone awry, right? If we really think about the show,

the only person in the show who can cook is Randall. Yeah. Everybody, the rest of the show is populated with horrible meal disasters. Yeah. Yeah. And Rebecca definitely is a player. involved. She's, she's, I don't think she's a great cook. I think she can make passable food for the kids, but this was a bridge too far. I think she really, like, put herself, committed herself to, like, making something that was well beyond her skill set. She's very stressed out. Somehow, like, the, the, the Cornish Gamehens are both burnt and raw. Was this a, was this a popular meat at some point? I remember Cornish Games named with a gym. I've never had one. Yeah, they're, they're like baby chickens. Yeah, baby chickens.

It's a little smaller. And I feel like it's... They are. You both just like a baby chicken. You both clicked into talking and you're like, I'm an... It's a little baby chick. You don't say. A tiny little bones.

I just have never had one. I've never been offered one. I've never seen one on a menu. The first time I had one was on a flight in first class. Oh, interesting. And it was like, oh, this is the corny's gaming. It's a little chicken. Yeah.

So I think like she basically is like... This week on a number. Are going to, you guys are going to get, when I was on my private jet, they served Cornish Commandments and escargo. It's a big PJ dish. No, I think Rebecca sort of like, she loses it and basically tells the kids like, get it together. Yeah.

I don't know what's going on. Yeah, yeah. I don't know who's mad at who and why, but here's what we're going to do. We're going to go outside. We're going to sit. We're going to eat this terrible meal that I have, I have tried to cook that somehow burnt and raw. Nothing's gone according to plan, but like, God damn it, you're going to get it together and make it work for my sake at least. We're going to have a good time. We're going to have a good time. Yeah. And they go out and they do attempt to eat this inedible food. It's a little quiet around the table. Yeah, Miguel's like, are we going to get sick from this? Which I want to feel like that's maybe a... He made a foul. But I feel like that was a truck let us. It was good. It was good. It's called foul for a reason.

Yeah, foul. But in that, you start talking about, like, look, we need to be able to talk about all of it, right? Yeah. Without us devolving into anything, like, we can talk about the good and the bad and allow it all to be present as we sort of move forward. Like, that's the gist of the specifics that you want to go into with regards to it. Well, also, I think in between that, somehow Miguel finds himself in the kitchen and she kind of asks him, like, Thank you. Is this too much, like, am I asking for too much?

Are we just, like, too big of a problem to fix? Yeah. And he basically goes into this story about the wine that he brought. Yes. And how, what was it? That, like, the grapes need just, like, the right. The right season. The right, like, weather.

And some seasons growing this particular, like, variety of grapes, like, nothing manifests the way it's supposed to. The wine can't be made. And the winemaker basically loses the vineyard. And they have to wait for the next season for the, the grapes to grow and it's it's about being patient and realizing like sometimes like you will have these fruitless moments right where things feel overwhelming and it's about taking a breath and being patient and knowing that like you're going to try again for the next season essentially

so it's some sweet friendly advice and the way John delivers it to is like yeah just again you're like this is what you would hope a best friend would step up and do in a situation like this, to be there for a family, to answer those, like, overwhelming questions for a family who's, a mother who's at a loss of where to turn, how to take that next step. And then I think that prompts her to go out and talk about, like, you know, taking his advice of, like, waiting out the bad years and being patient. To that scene, it's one of the first moments that I sort of clocked. And I don't know if it's Mandy love for John or Rebecca's love for Miguel, a little bit of both, or just like, there's a look that you gave him when he first starts to like tell the

story of like, this guy being around is good for me. Yeah. But it wasn't just like, it was a look of like friend or not friend. This guy being around is good for me. Oh, that's interesting. Like I felt that in that moment. I don't know if you. A little bit. Yeah. I think it really felt like you could see why he and Jack were best friends. Sure. You know what I mean? Like this moment of like... I think there is this gratitude.

I truly, truly never played it or thought about like what comes in the future. Because I don't think that that, I think it really takes her by surprise. But there is a, there is a level of, like a certain level of thank God for Miguel. Yeah. Thank God for Miguel. Like in every way. You know, for his friendship, for those Jack Pearson-esque, you know, stories and way of, like, relating something back to, like, the bigger picture. Like, all of that is something I think she really needs.

Like, this is also a family where there aren't a lot of, like, friends populated throughout. And he's one of, like, he represents so much of that. That's so interesting to, because there's that whole storyline, too, about how grateful Kevin is to have. have found Nikki because of his old connection to Jack. Yeah. And we never see, we never see Kevin going to Miguel for that. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like, he's right here. We saw early, like we have one scene early on. Yeah. Right. But like if you want to know Jack Pearson's. Jack Pearson, like before, even before your mom. Yeah. Yeah.

So, yes. They basically essentially end that scene with like, we need to be able to talk about your dad and Jack and celebrate him. in those moments and yes it's going to be hard at times but like we need to talk about the hot sauce you know moving forward and that's going to be okay and it's like she's giving herself permission to do that as well like in her grieving healing journey yeah and it's it's beautiful and it ends with with rebecca giving the the bride and groom a little gift which is like she learned one of the songs from the princess bride and like plays it on the piano for them and like and it it's

weaves into like montage for the end of the episode as our show likes to do so often. But so that's that. Do you enjoy the singing of the songs of the princess and the brides? I mean, do I enjoy it? I just was listening and I was like, ooh, that was a weird pitchy. Sometimes I feel like they throw these things in at the last minute of like, oh, and by the way, you're going to learn to surf in this episode. It's like, oh, by the way, you're going to, it wasn't so much like learning the piano.

I'm not a piano player, but it was more of the like, this, like, I just didn't know the song. I know the movie, but I was like, oh, this is like a part of the soundtrack and like, I think it was the credit song. Yeah, like I just feel like it could have like, personally speaking, I feel like the episode could have done without it. It wasn't essential. Hot take. Hot take. This is not making the live podcast. Hot take.

Hot take. It's not going to be at the live show. Yeah. Yeah, you've heard our announcement. We're going to be playing some music live. This is not, this didn't make the cut, the set list, okay? This won't be on the set list. Yeah, so temper your expectations.

But yes, so that's kind of how that storyline ends. With the pizza, is there anything else that happens after you guys, like they said, I'm still hungry? Everybody's like, we're still hungry. They wound up getting pizza, keep the change. Anything else to add to it? That's when the song. Oh, well, I guess, like, we weave, when Rebecca's talking about, she takes this moment to sort of talk about the first night. They were, Jack and Rebecca were spending that first night, how it's sort of culminated, right?

that they're trying to make their lasagna. She ends up making it. And she has to tell this funny story of like, it reminds me of, you know, this night that we were in our house for the first time. And we're just about to sit down and a bird flies into the house. And your father is deathly, was deathly afraid of birds. They're all like, yeah, he was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's cute. It's like me and raccoons. Yeah. So he, he. It's true. There's another story there. Yeah. And Rebecca goes on to tell that, like, Jack gets a tennis racket and a pillowcase and is trying to chase this bird.

And I'm like, what is he going to do with the tennis racket? Like, hopefully not hurt the bird, but try to coax him into the pillowcase and then get him outside. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he makes this ridiculous sound when the bird flies at him and it was hilarious. It was fun. We're all cackling and laughing. Like, I'm recounting this story for everybody. And, like, you know, this tough guy, superhero Jack Pearson was scared of a pigeon that flew in the house.

But basically, again, like, we need to be able to tell those stories and not just look back with sadness. There has to be this joy and this fondness for, like, the fully realized picture of who this man was. And we're giving ourselves permission to do that moving forward. So it ends with them ordering pizza because they're still hungry because that meal was inedible. And all as well. All as well. Like everybody's kind of like lovie-dovey, coupled up, et cetera. and, you know, conspicuous, like, mom's not coupled up.

But Miguel's there, and so it's all good, right? Yeah. It's all good. Okay. What else? What's the next one new one? How about Beth and Randall? Let's do.

What are Beth and Randall doing? What are they doing this up? Well, Tess is stressed about school. Oh, okay. There's a lot of anxiety around school, and she's got a paper due, and she's doing, like, she's doing homework and stuff at the table this is in the morning, like, before school. And it's sort of like, whoa, this, this. Poor young woman has, like, a lot on her plate and is feeling it.

She's feeling it. Randall came back from a 10-mile run. Beth was like, 10 miles. She's like, yeah, I just kept going and I felt good. This is awesome. Connects with his daughter. They're in a good place, it seems. Deja's upset about not seeing Malik because we established at the last episode

that they were going to cut that off, right? Yep. Then she starts talking to her sister and to her brother. brother-in-law, his sister and brother-in-law, about a gift that is coming. Kate's worried, like, I don't know what it is, but, like, Randall's like, it's a surprise. It was my idea. Keph said it was his, but it's really mine, but we did it together, so don't worry about it, right? Yeah.

Then we see Randall at work. He has been sort of blowing off this councilman. A couple of weeks ago, he was supposed to meet with all these guys, but he stayed because one of his constituents came in to talk about the buses. Correct. And so he missed that. He missed drinks with him. Yeah, he missed drinks with him, and now he's back to catch up, and they're about to sit down, talk business, talk food deserts and other things.

And he gets a call from his daughter's school, and he tells the councilman that, I'm sorry, I've got to go. My daughter had a panic attack. And it was a real sort of interesting, like, in that moment, because I'd forgotten this storyline. And the idea, like, when you think about your kids and you think about you and your partner and, like, oh, they're going to get like the best parts of them and they'll get the best parts of me and you'll see this reflection of like the best of us in the world and you don't really think about the other things yeah yeah no and and it's interesting because i have a 14 year old right now and i see like the good and from me and from his mom and i see everything else and i'm like oh what an incredible reflection right to like let you like this is who you think you are and then you get a chance of looking like oh that's that's what's being reflected back good bad ugly you know what I'm saying and then it makes you sort of take ownership and be like okay how can I be of service in his growth by actually

furthering my own growth yeah you know right yeah because it will be imprinted yes yeah for sure you got you got you're thinking hard what you got listen where do we start such we're big personalities as it is based on how we what we've chosen to do with our lives so there's a lot to imprint yeah it's all it's all becoming you know more and more clear i was talking to mandi about this before we started recording you know about when you switch over to serious voice okay with your kids and and i'm trying you know my my biggest growing edge is patience in my life just patience same same patience patience patience pause pause pause you guys surrender surrender surrender, and when I have to, like, switch over from, hey, bud, do you mind if we, you know, do the, come over here. We're going to do, hey, you know, I've asked, now I'm telling, you know, whatever the, whatever the switch is. And Bear has figured out a disarmament where he switches and turns to me, said, Dad, I really wish that you would be nicer to me. And there's no argument. Same, same. There's, same. There's, there's.

no way to counter that. There's no, like... That hurt my feelings. Gus says that's me a lot. When I'm like, hey, bud, this is my mad voice. When I asked you to do... That hurt my feelings. When you yelled at me like that, I'm like, I didn't, yeah. There's no, how do you address that? It's like... That's valid. Your feelings are valid. Your feelings are valid. Just those moments of imprinting, you're like, you're like, right, right? Okay. It's not okay. Yeah. I need to figure out a different way. God damn it yeah and the imprinting is is already in process yeah and and even even like because you've i've heard you say this too where if he'll be like bear eiffel will say to bear bear bear just come

to the table or whatever oh yeah like it's already like clicking in my favorite thing right now too is um our our big threat is um okay i'm gonna i'm gonna have to call Santa because I was like, if, listen, if you don't want to leave your Lego there, because we don't bring Legos out of the house, the Lego stay on the table, I will probably have to call Santa. And a lot of times now Ozzy's like, Gus, we're calling Santa. Like he just pipes in and like, listen, not even three-year-old. Yeah, I'm like, sir, I'll call Santa on your behalf too. But yeah, that's our big threat, which I don't know how long that's going to last.

If he'll be losing her mind and Bear will just be like, Oh, Ifah's really struggling right now. Yeah, bud. Yeah. I see it. She's really struggling. That's a good reflection. That's good.

There's something, and then we'll get right back into this episode, but there's something I'd find within myself. I don't know how you guys feel about this, about being a parent in 2025 and sort of like, am I supposed to be? his friend. Now, I know that the answer is like, no, but also I can be friendly for when it serves, but like making a fine line of like, you know, hey man, like, I know you talk to your friends in a very particular way and you're cool to do that. And there's parts that can bleed over into our relationship, but I am still your dad. Yeah. You know, and so you have to

just bear that in mind as we move through this thing. But I, it's, it's, it's, I don't think other generations had difficulty towing this line because they're just like, no, this is it. And I think that there's, like, it's a hard definition, right? I just had this conversation with Rachel, where it's like, yes, obviously we're parents and there are certain lines that we need to hold and certain, like, our job is to keep them safe.

Yes. And to keep them, you know, for at first, alive. Yeah. And educated and feeling loved. But like, to be, to be. My definition of a friend now is someone that I feel safe, comfortable talking to. Sure. Or coming to for support.

Yes. And so in that fashion, it's something I need to protect. Right. So that my serious voice doesn't interfere with his ability or her ability to, when they're feeling a certain way, to still talk to me about it. Yeah. Like his ability to say to you, even after that. that hurt my feelings is such great moment. Sure.

Right? Like, oh, great, you still feel comfortable saying that to me and being honest about your feeling. And like, so when Bear says those things to me, it's like, I'm really proud of you for letting me know. For sure. And I hear that. And I understand why.

I'm sorry. And I'm not trying to hurt your feelings. I did not mean to. Yeah. And so it's interesting to, like you say, to be a parent in 2025 to figure out. where that line is because we do have more what's the word I'm looking for more of more luxury around sure that type of relationship than maybe our parents did

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Beth comes in, and Randall sort of explains what happened to Test at School is explained to him by the counselor, like her accelerated heart rate and sort of, you know, seems like he was brought on by anxiety. And he says, you know, I think you may have gotten that from me. And she says, stop saying, I'm like you. I don't want to be anything like you Which is something Brown feels like he's going through in this moment right now Like not said as explicitly as that But in attitude you're like I get it

Okay, it's cool And it's interesting because on my IG feed It sort of came up It's like this is a natural part of being a teenager It's sort of asserting your independence By pushing away from your parental units, right? And a lot of things that parents can do to exacerbate the situation is to take it personally.

Right. Right. And lady and gentlemen, I'm going to tell you right now, easier said than done. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But just remember this voice in your head as it comes up and be like, can't take it personal.

Yeah. We went to San Diego for a soccer game. He had two soccer games on Saturday and Sunday, so it was just the two of us driving down there. A dearth of conversation. There was nothing. I was trying to inspire different things, whatever, head in the phone, et cetera.

And at the end of the trip, like he did something that was particularly frustrating, and I raised my voice, and then he went even quieter as if it were possible. And I got to the house, and I was thinking about, like, should I take this away from him? Should I take this away from him? Should I do this? Like, he's got to learn that there's a certain way that you speak to adults, especially your parents, et cetera, et cetera. And then I came across my IG, and this guy was saying this thing, like, you can't take it personal. This is a natural part of their development, what have you. One of the worst things that you can do is punish them, right?

Like, if he hasn't done anything that, like, outside of the way that he's treating you has been egregious or whatnot, then you just sort of, like, just sort of understand where he is. And, like, the goal, the gift, and, like, Rebecca does this beautifully, especially with Kate and its articulation, you keep showing up. Like, you cannot remove yourself. from the situation because then that thing of safety that you're talking about and sharing is like, oh, if my love is conditional,

if me just being this particular way makes you go away, then I definitely can't trust you. And I even told him this morning, I said, big boy, daddy loves you. You're one of my favorite people in the whole world. And sometimes I get really excited to spend time with you because I know time is fleeting, right? High school is busy.

You have a very busy schedule, and so just the two of us in a car, I'm excited to connect. And so when it seems as if you are less enthusiastic to spend time with me, I do get a little sad. I said, now, listen, I'm going to keep showing up for these things. Like, I love watching you play soccer. I love watching you develop new skills, et cetera. But I would love also just the journey and enjoying the journey as much as I do watching you do your thing.

So I'm going to keep showing up. We keep doing this thing. And I love you so much. If you could find it in your heart to find enjoyment in my company, that would be great. And if you don't, that's okay too. But I'm here. And he goes, okay. That is very helpful, man. That is very helpful. I'm like, I am committing that. Actually, can you clip that and email it to me? Listen to and about. But it's, it's, I say it, but I'm also still actively saying it to

myself. Sure, sure. Because it's not like a lesson learned. It's like, Brown, don't forget. A lesson learning, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Wow. So, she said, I don't want to be anything like you. And Beth shares with Randall that William also suffered from anxiety. Yeah. And so I think there's this idea that Randall's never really talked about, that his, like, sharing genetics, like you were just saying, with someone. Yes. And now thinking, like, oh, wow, like, I also am sharing this anxiety with William.

Like, I think that connection was something that, like, just didn't agree. occur to him until this moment. Like, it also was passed on to me from somewhere. Yeah. And so I think, do you think it was a revelation for, for Randall that, like, that's how it struck me watching that, that Beth sort of recounted, like, this is something that William confided in her. Right. And did you know that, like, your dad also had the same struggle with anxiety? Okay, yeah, that's how I took it as well. Huge. So I feel like this is, this is a real gift for him to hear that. Like, wow. Okay. I mean, especially growing up in a house where, like you don't share genetic traits with anybody.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So the idea that like failing disconnected, like now at least there is some connection and explanation for something. Yeah. Right? And then like what's even better is like the explanation that he, his mom gave him and what he shared with Beth is like the bubbles in the cup, like eventually like the

bottle settle down, just wait for the bubbles to settle. And basically she calls both her daughter and her husband. into the kitchen and winds up sharing this information with the both of them. And then she says like, now, but remember when you start to feel it, and she breaks out, seltzer, whatever it is, tonic, whatever. And she pours the glass and she's like, don't touch it. She's like, I just need you to look at it and wait for the bubbles to settle. And her daughter, their daughter softens, test looks at them.

She said, you know, somebody asked me about this boy at school. I thought he was cute and I had an opportunity to tell him, you know, who I was, but I just said yes. And I feel like now I got to start all over again. And this is, these little moments get me like when Randall reaches over, grabs her hand. And I think he said something like, that's got to be hard for you or something. And that was it. And then she gets up and walks out, right? He and Beth have a moment.

But it's, so I don't know if I told you guys, but Air Spaker, who plays test, was a PA, on set for Paradise, season two. So I'm seeing her grow up, right? She turned 20 while she was on set, and we met her at age 10 on the pilot. And it's just such a joy to see this young lady grow up. And I just, I get like interestingly Misty, because she's not my child, but like she was for six years, seven years, yeah. You know what I'm saying? For a long time. And it's just nice to see. I have two nephews who are schizophrenic. And it's interesting because I know my sister and I have a very interesting relationship. But as I was going through this storyline, I was thinking about my sister and the kinds of questions she may be asking herself about where does this come from, right?

With her children. with her children and whatnot. And so the idea of passing something along, right? And he says that to Beth. Like, there's so much that I was hoping for, but the idea that, like, I passed this part of me along. Yeah, my least favorite part of myself. Is sad.

And I don't know if you guys have anything within yourselves that you think about in those terms. But I can only imagine that every parent, to a certain extent, you know, knows that we're not perfect human beings. And you're just hoping. that the parts of yourself that you don't like as much are sort of minimized, and the parts that you do like it yourself

are maximized with regards to your offspring. Yeah, I think, I mean, we talked about it a little bit about it earlier, but I think it's, for me, those things that you recognize, that maybe you might want to minimize, for me is more helpful, just to acknowledge, right? And to not only acknowledge them to myself,

but acknowledge them to other people. You know, like I will even say to bear, you know, that I am working on my patients, and I, it's hard for me, and that I do feel anxiety, and I do have these, in a way, in a way to whatever, to do whatever the photo-negative of gas lighting is. you know what i mean to like acknowledge him acknowledge to him that i am aware yes of the things that i'm i'm working on but they but they're also they they're cope they are valuable coping

mechanisms indeed they can become issues anxiety can become an issue i was listening this morning to this meditation teacher i listened to a lot of names tara brock and um she was talking about addiction and she was talking about attachment and she was talking about the things that we latch on to and how everybody has these things that that they that they use to fill the gaps you have these emotional gaps as you as you are growing up that that if you are not served in a certain way you will find something whether it's sugar or food okay or or anxiety to feel like i have a genuine addiction to anxiety because anxiety the one of the things she was pointing out was people who are addicted to rage to anger because it because it protects them.

Yes. They use it as a protection. Absolutely. And they use it not only as a protection, but when you get angry, it taps into those certain parts of your brain that fire off drugs. Yeah. Fire off dopamine. There's a high.

Or adrenaline or whatever the thing is. And for a second, you feel in control, you feel all these things. And so because evolutionally, these things, these things, things can be tools, to feel fear, to feel anxiety, to feel doubt, whatever those things are. And so if we can impart that they are not necessarily negative, but that they need to be recognized and addressed, then they can become tools and not take over the system. Sure. Awareness.

There is the ability to articulate. something out loud gives you a sense of distance, not massive distance, but enough distance to be like, okay, this is a thought that I'm having, is this a thought that I wish to continue to have, or is it not serving me? What thought can I replace it with, right? But sometimes it takes a level of vulnerability

to just say it out loud. Like there's this thing that I would do when I'd be so competitive and everything like that. And I remember saying to my friends in the midst of something, I was like, I loathe losing with a passion. And they all started laughing at me. And I laughed at myself too. But it was like saying it out loud gave me permission to be like, okay, that's not me.

But it is sort of like when I give myself distance, it is kind of funny. Yeah. Like the reaction that I have to certain things. You know what I'm saying? So yes, I hear you. There's a, the button on this one is going to the bedroom, Randall and Beth. They make sweet love. No, they don't.

There is, she's on the computer and she says she's found a therapist for, tests and she thinks that that would be of benefit because earlier we saw Randall's leg um bouncing and she said listen you've been going for these long runs uh you've had a lot on your plate at work we just moved to a new city like the kids are in transition like maybe you need a therapist too and he's like no I'm good and she says listen I mean it couldn't be hurtful and he's like it's nice that you think that but I'm fine yeah right and just like squash is that yeah squash is that Squashed it, right? So we clacked that, right?

Anything else to say about that? I think that's it. Yeah. Where we moved to? Kate and Toby and this big gift that they've been waiting for? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love, like, Toby saying, like, he's excited, too, because he's like, you know, historically, there are very grand gestures from the Pearson men. This is true.

So, like, he's excited to see what, like, how this is going to impact him as well. Like, what do I get out of this? It's going to be. Yeah. Maybe it's a hot tub. Maybe it is a hot tub, an infrared sauna. For a baby? Yeah.

Well, no, I mean, it's for the parents. Parents have a baby. So it ends up being their old piano. Yeah, not a grand gesture, but an upright gesture. An upright gesture. I think, did I have the piano? Was that the same piano? Like, at the beginning of the scene, like he kept pushing in the bench.

Yeah, for, for William? Was that the same piano? Was it the same piano? Might be a different piano. Maybe that was my piano in my house. But this was the piano that was, that Miguel brought over to their apartment and then they moved over to their house when Rebecca and Kate bought the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

An heirloom. Well, it becomes a family heirloom, and the boys have the lovely thought to send it to Kate. So she can impart her musical connection to her son. There's a lovely part about the Polaroids in the piano bench from that family dinner night, right? So there's all these pictures. By the way, let us not forget that like, oh, did you guys take pictures of the wedding? It's like, yeah. And you're like, Polaroids. Oh, yeah. And the first shot is like Kemp's head cut off. Yeah. Like, these are the wedding pictures that you do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But something, something, a story, book story.

It's kind of ironic. It's all storybook, right? Shows Mom pictures of Mark, the douchebag. That's what I wrote. Okay, I just keep calling him a douchebag, even though he hasn't done anything dushy just yet. And a quick side note, that was not a pitchy. It was pitchy.

No, no. It was fine. No, no, no, it was not pitchy. This song is pitchy for sure. The song is a weird song. My weird warbly take was not. I was like, Taylor was watching. I was like, well, that was weird.

He was like, no, it was good. I was like, no, okay. His voice went up? Yeah, I was like, I could tell. I was like, that was confirmation. Like, I was like, why? Why didn't they make me sing that song? Let's put it this way.

Taylor couldn't have sung it any better. Oh, that's very kind. It's a weird song. It's a weird song. I want to say it's like Mark Knopfler saying it. It was some sort of legit. It was very strange. It's just a weird melody.

But regardless, it happened. It's, it's there. So that's there. Immortalized in episode 405. You always sound lovely. Oh, thank you. You always sound lovely. It's true.

The sultry tones of Maddie Morty's in time. Yeah. Storybook story never sounded. Let's go to Kev Nicky Cassidy, right? They're Kev's trailer next to Nicky's. Convo's a bit stilted, but Kev's making an effort trying to get this dude to open up. And he starts telling this story about, like,

he's like, what do you know about my dad from, you know, before me? And he's like, I'm not too much. He's like, well, I remember this thing that he used to do where we get the ice cream that comes in the box and he would open it up like a piece of cake. I've never seen that ice cream. No? No.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. You never have the Neapolitan joint when it comes in the box and they have the colors like bing, bing, bing, bing. Well, yeah, but it was always in like a tub. A tub, like a briars tub or something. No bing, bing, bing. You know what the box is? The box is, I think, not for ice cream.

It's for ice milk. Do you know it? And it's like a different sort of thing. Talking about milkshakes? No, no. Like, it's less expensive ice cream. Because it's not cream, it's milk. Because it's milk.

And so, like, for some reason in a box, it's totally. also harder and you can unfold it and it's yeah and it doesn't just fall out right so you can actually slice it because I remember like we had a lot of ice milk and we also had a lot of like the big tub ice milk thing with the handle thank you yeah thank you for not letting me be alone with like the fudge ribbons in it sometimes come on now um so he talks tells the story about how my dad would open up the box and like he would cut it like it was pieces of cake and yeah nicky doesn't say anything he just sort of like yeah it's playing it close to the vest right now right but it turns out do you want to just finish that the ice cream storyline i'll get to it

no it's all right oh it's sorry i'm trying to be patient sully christ i think the episode's over anyways smash like and subscribe they're going to this hockey game because cassidy is going to be honored right there right and so kev wants to show up to support nicky's like you got to come with me etc they're going to meet cassidy's husband Ryan and he's Yeah. I didn't know his name was Ryan until like the end of the episode, by the way. I always was trying to remember. I just wrote Cassie's husband. And then I was like, oh, Ryan, that makes sense. That's my wife's name. Obviously. I should remember that. I remember everybody named Ryan. Ryan Gosling, Ryan Coogler. All the Ryan's. I know all of them. Name him. Name him. Costner. No, no, sorry, Kevin. My favorite Ryan. Costner. Coogler. Yeah.

Gossling. What's my man's name? That's it. Reynolds. Yeah. Who made American Horror Story, American... Philippi. Murphy.

Murphy. Philippi. Frile intentions. Good work. That's it. That's all the rhymes. That's all the rins. That's got to be somebody else.

Sea crest. See crest. Don't forget, sea crest. All right, this is... All right, cool. That was fun. That was fun. We'll do this segment once an episode.

It's a winner. They're at the high. hockey game. The husband hates hockey. Ryan hates hockey. Nikki is sort of jones and for a drink. He's feeling very uncomfortable in space. Too much noise. Watching people drink and he's like, I gotta get out of here. Yeah. And he wants to be left alone. Kev's like, I'll come with you. I'll keep you. He's like, no dude, just leave me alone. And I get it. You know, when somebody is an addict, like, are there rules there? Are you, it feels like Kev is trying to act as a de facto sponsor, so to speak. But do you have, what's the relationship between sponsors? Kevin is doing his best to be of service, but he's also leaning full into codependence and... So it's not...

It's not terribly healthy. If you were to take somebody, like, who was in Nikki State to a sporting event where people are spilling beer all over the place, it's not exactly... Conduasive environment to someone who's in the midst of healing from... Yeah. ...is in recovery. Who's dealing with PTSD and there's air horns and, like, you know... Totally. So Nikki takes off, right? He's staying there with the husband. And husband's into his phone. He's really not paying attention at all. As the ceremony's going on, he's like, I'll take off. You can bring her home. Like, adios, right? It's like, oh, man, like, the audience isn't, he's not winning points. Yeah. With us in terms of a loving husband. Like, she's already said that, like, I want my marriage to work. But he seems like one foot in, one foot out at this point, right?

Kevin Nicky have a conversation. He comes back to the trailer. He's like, I'm sober. Don't worry. Everything's fine. He talks about how he doesn't like people. But he goes, that thing that you learn from your dad, that actually came from our dad. And our dad was a bit of a hard ass most of the time.

But every once in a while, he could be a lot of fun. And he would start off by saying, like, you know, how good were you today? Were you like little good, medium good? And based upon how good that was, that's how big of a slice of ice cream that you would get. right and they show it in the flashback and thank god they show this moment because you don't see too many moments of joy between the Pearson men of that generation yeah but that was like a moment of like him trying to introduce some fun and so then he says to kev like how how good have you been today right and he cuts on the slice of ice cream so it's a sweet moment right um is that that's the

that's the end of that yeah thing and jigger i believe yeah i think that's it is that everything It sets up quite a few things. That's why I was like- Because we get to it in the next episode. Because we get to it in the next episode. Yeah, Kevin more or less tells Cassidy, like, I think your husband still likes you. Oh, is that in this episode or next episode?

It's in this episode. It's in this episode. It's in this episode where, because the husband, Ryan, is like, dude, just, oh, Kev's like, what's up with you, dude? This conversation's in this episode? Yes. It is. It is.

He drops them off after the hockey game, Cassidy and her son. And he comes out of the house and he was like, like basically to have words with Kevin. Yeah. And gives a really valid response to why he's been behaving the way he is. I met my wife at age 15. We've been in love like since then or whatnot. And so this event that you want me to go to where she's being honored, this is the part

of her life that took away the person that I love. Yeah. So I'm not here to celebrate the thing that broke the person I love. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. It gives you a whole new perspective. You're like, oh, he's not some absent soon-to-be-ex-husband that's checked out and doesn't care.

And he says to Kevin, stay the hell away from my wife. And Kevin's like, got a little smirk, like, okay. And that's how he knew. Yeah. That's what made him think. Yeah, he's like, yeah, your husband still likes you. He still likes you. Yeah.

It still likes you. Good episode. This round of three, I enjoy it. And I like the way this one, once we get to the next one. I really enjoyed it. But all three together, excellent job by Signor Milo Vintamilia. Anything else that we want to talk about in 405?

I mean, we brought it up briefly, but we should say again, I'm sure that you have heard we have announced, we are doing a live episode of this podcast on January 17th at the Wiltern Theater. We're going to be focusing on the music of the show. We're going to talk to Taylor Goldsmith and hopefully Sid Kosla and Dan Fogelman

about the original music that was written for the show. But then for our live audience only, if you come to the event. Come on, you got to come. We're going to be singing some songs. From the show. Yeah, selections from the show with special guests

and all that good stuff. I don't know if they know, look, they know about Mandy Moore. Chris Sullivan has the voice of an angel. That's very nice. That's very nice. Yeah, bro, you can blow. Yeah, so you'll...

We'll be hearing some Chris Sullivan, too. We're all going to be up there. And Sterling is fighting us on it, but Sterling's going to sing, too. Listen. You know, boys to men, you know the brother who did the bass, that's how Sterling going to be doing.

That's right. But you're going to hear some singing. So join us. If you want to find a link for tickets, you could find it in our bio on Instagram. Or you can go to... You can Google it. You just Google the Wiltern Theater in Los Angeles.

January 17th. Live. Wiltern Theater. I'm excited. it. Sterling K. Brown, singing like a bird. I'm excited. I'm excited. We'll see how that all goes down. We're going to do a little fan segment coming up after these messages. We'll be back with more. That was us.

All right, ladies and gentlemen, it's been a minute, but we are finally bringing back one of our favorite segments of the show. It's a fan Q&A. You all have been sending us some amazing questions, and we thought now was the perfect time to dive back in and answer as many as we can. Yeah, if you've e-f-f-f-f-f-fah-if-if-if. If you've e-bailed us a question or submitted one on our Instagram, listen up. We might be reading yours today. Come on. Let's hear our first question. Let's hear it. Here we go. Hi, I'm Andy, Chris, and Sterling. My question is, what moment on this is a shocked you the most? What moment did you guys not see coming at all?

Oh, that's a tough one. It's a good question. What did I not see coming? Go ahead. Mandy. I think the Cotobi divorce. I really didn't. And maybe that was, like, silly of me to be blind to some couple not making it on our show. But I think, like, the way in which it happened.

I don't know. I just, I think that really, like, wow. And her subsequently getting remarried. Remarry. Yeah. What about you? You clearly were not as shocked. I mean, Jack's death.

Oh. It's pretty shocking. Yeah. And I didn't, how it happened. The how. Right. The how. Okay.

Okay. Not the, not the that. Mm-hmm. But the how. Like, it was, it was, it was an excellent, I don't know what word, kind of. Misdirect, sort of, yeah. On how that was going to go down. I would say the episode known as Miguel.

Hmm. Hit me in a way that I did not anticipate. anticipated hitting me. Yeah. I think it was the hardest I cried. Yeah. Now, I don't know if we were all together or if it was just like the episode was that good and that friggin Huertis just killed it.

Yeah. Episode that good. We were all together and I think it unleashed like a, like an, I was unaware of the amount of love and compassion that I had for Miguel. Yes. Good point. It hit me. It hit me real hard in the most lovely way possible.

way possible. So great question. Lynn Standridge 299. Thank you very much. Next question. Who had the most bloopers? Which actor got the giggles the most and had to redo scenes? Who had the most bloopers? I mean, you're a good blooper man. Wirtis is a good one. Justin's a good one. Like, I'll come up with them, but mine are fine. I feel like I want to go back and find. I would say in the last like four, like three, four, five, six.

I feel like we got the bloopers sent to us via email, remember? There would be like a bloopers take that they would, like a reel that they would play at the rap party. Right. There was some real funny. Yeah. That happened.

Great. Who got the giggles the most and had to redo scenes? I have a hard time when I get the giggles. Like, there's no coming back for me. I find it very hard. But I don't know if I got it too. Often, because as I've established on the show, when I was with Milo and that part of the show, I wasn't getting the giggles. Yeah. The not funny part. The not funny part, no. It was a little more like, let's get down to brass tacks. Let's work, which I love. And then I was able to definitely have some giggles with you guys.

We had a good time. Yeah. I think I was not aware of how much you could actually see me laughing when I'm not supposed to be on the show. You can pick it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, really trying. It's usually when I'm talking to Kevin. Yeah. And I'm trying real hard to like, like hold it in and I've got the quivery lip and the watery eye. I love it.

I love it. That's Living at, Living It app. Who's next? Go ahead, Chris. I love us reading the names. At Am McCarthy. It's that A-A-M-C-C-A-R-T-H. If the show is going to get a spin-off,

which characters would you like to have seen the show continue to follow? It looks like our photos leading us. Like, objection, Your Honor, leading the witness? That's what I said, a couple of episodes ago. Deja and Malique. Deja and Malique. Selfishly, Toby is single life.

Toby, the single life. Do we know of Tobes remarry's? He does. He does. Yeah. Does he have any more? She shows up. It does. Do you guys have any more children?

I don't think so. I don't know if that question is answered, but I will tell you right here, exclusive. Yes, four. We had four kids. Breaking news. That's a breaking news. I like that. Right on.

A lot of daimons all around. Days and Malik is a good one. I mean, you could always do other generations, but I'm always still curious to see you could follow anybody. Yeah. Really. And I don't mean this, but I don't mean this, but I'm always still curious to see. I'm curious to see, like, that political arc of Randall's,

like, if it actually turned into something. Sure. It's kind of interesting, so. Yeah. Okay. Good question, A. McCartre? Turns out, turns out Randall joined the Secret Service and started protecting the president. There you go.

Flipped it. Who's next? This is Princess Mags. I love it. What? It says, I just love the name. If you had to choose one word to describe each of your character's journey throughout the series, what word or words at Sterling K. Brown.

Oh, you got called out. Oh, geez. Would you choose and why? Look at Princess Mags. Throwing a little bit of shade eye. Side eye. Literally side eye. Because now I'm not going to talk anymore.

No, no. That's it. You did it, Princess Mags. I'm done. No, now's the challenge. Can you do it in one word? To describe each of your character, to describe your character's journey through the series.

You got stuck. You got stuck. Because I need to think. Freedom! Freedom! Triumph. Triumph. I like that.

May a shot. No. Let's stick with that. All right. That's my words. All right. Yeah, shut up. Hey, all right.

Give us a word. That's my word. All right. You know, see, now I'm not going to break it down. Wow. We're going to leave it back. You know, we want to hear you talk. I know you want to.

Princess. Next. Oh. Side eye right back. Is there any particular scene episode of Bowman and this is us that you'd say, I think about this all the time, whether that be because of the message in sense or how it resonated with you. Just something that's stuck with you almost. Well, yeah.

Why are you laughing? Just because I'm brushing my mama's head. The photo. It's an interesting choice, guys. 34-year-old with Mandy Moore, dressed up as an 89-year-old, getting her hair gently. The adult Pearson's catering to their down, mother. Sweet. It's sweet.

And her hair's never felt so good. I want to brush your hair. It's so funny. Dan Fogelman sent us a little video the other day of the train episode. And it's, it sort of starts with Rebecca turning over and seeing Jack, like, in bed. It was a very sweet little message, but... Didn't set you guys a video? Because we were in the video.

Yeah, we were in the video. In that particular... You weren't on the show. You were gone. Okay. And it was very... But it reminded me, I was like, that moment, that episode, one day we'll talk about it a couple years from now.

But I think about that a lot. I think about that whole episode a lot. But I think about that particular moment of turning and seeing Milo and having to hold it together and just like, re-watching it again, I was like, as a parent, it just is like, it is, it does sort of wallop you. Just that idea of like I, I, there's so much I want to do with them. And it just, you know, as a parent, you think about that. Like, oh, my gosh, there is going to come a time where that's not possible.

And, oh, yeah. So I think about that whole episode. I'm with you. For your boy like this. Was it this one right here? Brushing my hair, my wig. So I will tell you, just because this picture is up, I could name several. But I remember saying goodbye to Rebecca and Mandy just has to lay there, right?

And I think Sue was the first person to say goodbye. And Mandy was like, oh God, she's like, I'm trying not to cry and I'm supposed to just sort of be basically in a coma or something, you know? Yeah. And I remember the first time I went in and I was a mad. I was a mess. I think because of my mom's situation regarding ALS and how it sort of closely parallels Rebecca's demise, so to speak. And, like, they told me, I think it was Ken and Dan.

They were like, you have to be the person that sort of holds it together. You can't be the person that's sort of like, you know what I'm saying? Like, we need you to sort of be the strength of, like, how things move on. And so it was basically just taking it out of your voice or whatnot. And I would say the lines just as I was supposed to, but my eyes were still just flooded, you know. But just sort of like, it was a great acting lesson because you can't allow the emotion to overwhelm the sense of what it is

that you have to communicate. You know what I'm saying? I remember that pretty well. What about you? Actually, that whole episode where, I mean, it was over a few episodes, but once the entire extended family was gathered in that house. Yeah.

I just, there was... Kind of magical. Yeah, it was really in Kevin's house at the end of the series. Yeah. And there's all these young actors around who are the would-be next generation of the Pearson family. You know, it gives you that little sense of feeling of future. Yeah. You were either in that back room or offset someone. but not present, you know, it really felt like, like the end.

Yeah, like the end, like a wait. Because your presence, your absence was an enormous presence. Yeah, and it was a, and it was a gift, right? Because some shows aren't wrapped up as well as ours. Some shows get canceled and don't get a chance to wrap up. And so it was like a real final. And then everyone had their moments of, you know, either going into you or Toby and Kate having a chance to,

tie it up. I will add to this just so, Olivia G., as we were all having our last scenes, they would keep the camera rolling. And so everybody would make like a little speech. I remember being there for you and Milo because you guys were in the store. Yeah, in that toy store. You guys were inside the toy store and how beautiful a moment was. I remember Sue doing her last one at your funeral.

Yeah, I was there for all of the stuff at the funeral. You were there for that too? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was just like, such a joyous, bittersweet, beautiful moment for everybody. That's yours. Yep. It was, yeah, yeah.

So I remember that, too. Yeah. What's the next one? This is from GHAZ dot al-35-36. Why didn't we see anything about Rebecca's sister? We should ask a writer that. That's a good question because you've mentioned the sister. I never saw it, right?

Yeah. Yeah. We don't mention her too often. she was mentioned maybe once or twice in the show. That's right. But sure, we never saw her. Oversight. Thank you, Ghaas, 35, 36.

Nice. Since you all weren't on set together at the same time, did it take a couple seasons before you got to know each other? Did the cast have any team building or social get-togethers? This is a great question. I mean, I feel like it didn't take us any time at all to get to know each other, surprisingly. Yeah.

And Fogelman did usually try to do something at the beginning of each season, either when we watched episodes together or just got together for dinner or something like that, which was great. And then the other part that was really cool because we got invited to the parties several years in a row.

It's like going to the Emmys, going to Screen Actors Guild, Golden Globes, critics' choice, et cetera, was always such a joyful time because we got to do it together. We got a chance to dress up and do it together. It was the best. It was friggin' awesome.

So, yeah. So the first three seasons felt like they never ended. Yeah. Because we got... One thing just, like, bled into the next. We went right into press and award shows and all these things. And then right back into shooting. Yeah.

And again, like I said, we only did table reads for the first five episodes. And then after that, it was like, Dan said, that takes too long. We're just going to keep it moving. And we were like, okay. Yeah, it's different than like a streaming show, right? Where you have like a finite... You have eight episodes or ten episodes or something. and they're all written beforehand.

It's like our show, because it was sort of the last bastion of network TV, things were getting written while we were shooting. I remember, like, at the end, and maybe I guess it was like this for most of the show, like we were only maybe two or three episodes ahead of what was airing on TV. So it was funny to like watch something. You're like, wow, I did that last month. He was also a bit of a madman because, like, he would go through and he's like,

if I don't have it, we got to reshoot it. And we would shoot something on a Saturday to go like, On a Tuesday. On a Tuesday. Yeah. And we're like, oh, shit, here we go. And it felt sort of like, ah, we're still in the think of it. We still care.

The fact that he still cared enough is like, you want to put out the best product. We're like, if you care, bro, through a brick wall. We're right there. Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. What's one lesson your character taught you about family, love, or identity that you actually use in your own life today? And what's one thing about them you totally disagree with in your real life?

I can take the second part first. Like, a lot of the argumentation between Randall and Kevin regarding how to deal with Rebecca's care. Like, I had to be on Randall's side as a character or whatnot, even though I didn't always agree with them, right? I sort of totally, like, agreed with Kev sort of like let Mom make her decisions and it's her life and sort of, you know, do it on her terms as long as she can until she can't do it on her own terms anymore. And I felt like Randall, you know, aggressive, pushy, sort of like needing to have answers answered and all that sort of thing. He would frustrate me. But I would have to be like, this, I still have to do this thing, right? What about what have I learned from the big guy?

He's got a big, beautiful heart. I'll say that. Like, he is probably more open with his feelings than I think I am. But I think I've learned to be more open because of him. No. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah?

Sully? Yeah? No? How about you? I feel like the idea that Rebecca, as we've talked about, I think even earlier today, just is really good about showing up for her family, for herself, like, is a really big lesson in life and love. And I just, I think I'll forever disagree with how she handled the William aspect of in her life. and Randall's life and that choice that she made, like that, yeah, that's something that I'll

just never agree with her on. Agreed, a lesson, lesson from Toby that no problem, issue, addiction, whatever will be solved if you're running from it. Okay.

That needs to be faced. I don't, you know, even if that, you know, it ended up being the end of their but like this stuff we have to talk and we have to talk about these things right um uh disagree with him um probably uh should have divorced her when she sold his star wars toys oh wow I told you would have only had one child together but yeah that's right and I would have been out a few seasons I'm glad it didn't happen I thought you could say like buy your house without telling him first wait was that Toby

Toby buy a house? Toby bought a house. Toby bought it, yeah. Yeah, that's the one. There you go. Okay, cool. Buying a house for your wife without talking to her about it first. Without consulting hers, yeah.

Not a good idea. Are there more or we good? That's it. Those are good, man. Those are good questions. Nikiel 79 for that last one and I enjoyed that. Was that not right? I don't know.

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