That Was Us - Kate and Toby's Bachelor & Bachelorette Parties | "Vegas, Baby" (S2E16)

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

This week, Mandy, Chris, and Sterling dive into This Is Us episode 216, Vegas, Baby, where Kate and Toby’s joint bachelor/bachelorette trip brings surprising revelations for everyone. The hosts talk about Jack’s love language over the years after watching the kids’ heartfelt (but chaotic) attempt to throw Jack and Rebecca an anniversary celebration, they break down what it was really like behind the scenes filming in Vegas (from fan encounters to deleted scenes), plus Chris gives everyone a new hot take! Support our sponsors: Your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much at airbnb.com/host That Was Us is produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Music by Taylor Goldsmith and Griffin Goldsmith. Follow That Was Us on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Threads, and X! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On today's episode of That Was Us, we will be discussing season two, episode 16, Vegas, baby. Jack and Rebecca celebrate their anniversary in a different way than years past. Randall and Beth struggled to balance a weekend in Vegas with their growing concerns for Dacia. Meanwhile, Kate and Toby navigate the awkwardness of their bachelor and bachelorette parties, while Kevin fights to stay sober. Hello, friends. What's going on, gang? Vegas, baby.

Vegas, baby. This was one episode. I was very bummed. I wasn't invited to tag along. We don't often travel for the show. We shoot here, and we shot here, I should say, here in Los Angeles. But this was an exception. One of the few times that the entire apparatus of the show traveled to Vegas.

This is true. I heard wild stories about Magic Mike, you, Susan, like there are things, things happened. Yeah. It didn't stay in Vegas because we will be revealing all. Some things came back from Vegas that, you know, probably could have stayed in Vegas. But no, we'll share. We'll show me to you. We had a good time.

We had some interesting things happened too. Ooh. Oh, the, and I'm going to tell you when we get to the walk. Oh, with you and Kevin and, okay, cool, go, go, cool, cool. So this episode starts out. with Jack and Rebecca Bowling. And we come to find out it's their anniversary. It's their one year anniversary.

And, you know, I believe this is the start of Jack's big gestures. Sure. His grand gestures. Yeah. Because Rebecca gives him a book so he can, like, a beautiful, like, leatherbound book with all his, like, sketches that he's always leaving around the house. And she's clearly very proud of this idea that she's had. And he's like, oh, this is so, this is.

This sweet, thank you. His reaction every time, I was like, oh, thanks, Mac. You know what I'm saying? Like, cue the lights. Yeah, cute the music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, of course, this song comes on, spotlights on them. It's their first anniversary.

Bair, bar, bar, bar, bar, like, everybody sort of stops. Exactly. Which would be very slippery, by the way. You ever step over to the alley? It was slippery. Was it really? Oh, yeah, they put down a mat for us. Yeah.

Because it was. Because you were wife the blank out on a volunteer. Correct. Yeah. They were living in a world before companies cared about insurance. Not that this matters, but I remember watching this, and I was like, oh, I remember this episode. Any time we got to go back to the early days of Jack and Rebecca, I've never seen Michael and Zoe our hair and makeup like department heads so elated. They were like kids in a candy store.

They loved the beard. They loved Rebecca's long extensions and cool eye shadow. It was like, and Hala, our costume design. It's like everybody got to live out their fantasies of like dressing Milo and I, like we were their personal little Barbie dolls. You got to sleep in for a couple extra hours. I got to sleep in. They maybe look young. It was great.

I loved it. Can I just say this is a quick tangent where I'm doing something right now where I have to put on prosthetics. Mandy Moore. God bless your soul. I've had only three of them. And this is not a lot because I always like to Mandy Moore, three, four a.m. pickups. I'm a dude with this much hair I'm not used to a 4 a.m. pickup, bro.

It takes me about 20 minutes to get through the works. It takes about three and a half hours to do the stuff that I have to do on this film. Mandy Moore, I salute you. Oh, gosh, please. No, no, no, no, no. Because how many times do we do it? It's somewhere close to 150.

Yeah. Yeah. Bless you. Oh, you're very kind. And side note, hot take. The Project Sterling's working on, he sent us he sent Chris and I pictures it is the I showed Taylor everybody's like whoa that's it's so cool it's cool because you can I can still see you in there yeah

yeah yeah yeah it's very I feel like sometimes with like crazy prosthetics and Chris I want to see the full airbrush I want to we've seen the we've seen the pieces but you guys send us some more yeah I got you yeah so it's cool anyway that was the side tangent so then we sort of jump into Deja well wait you know what's because there's a four year anniversary Oh, you got to kind of echo this because it's great because Rebecca comes and she's like, I got your hammer it because you're always saying to taking your hammer and everything. He's like, oh, thanks. He walks around the corner is a brand new piano.

Yeah, man. And then you finally get to another one. You guys don't name this anniversary. We don't say what year it is. But it's like, all right, you promise no more big gestures or anything like that because I didn't get you anything. And I don't want to feel bad about these. Oh, promise. No things.

We're just going to keep it easy, put the kids to bed, go to bed, and we're going to enjoy a good old-fashioned evening of me, you, and the commission. Yeah. What show was that? The commission was on ABC. It was Chickless before. Michael Chickless. Before the Shield.

Okay. Well, that was Rebecca's Jam. Yeah, it was another cop show. She just wanted to cozy up with it. It is the procedural that hugs and just takes care of you. That's right. You can hop in. You can hop out.

The commission are going to be right there, Jay. That's right. I love that. Commission. There you go. Yeah. There you go. So they make that agreement or whatnot.

And then in that same timeline, there is the kids, like once you come down, oh, he comes downstairs, they're making breakfast or something. He's like, aren't you going to do a grand, Kevin says to dad, aren't you going to do a grand gesture for mom? He's like, no, he didn't want anything this year. And he's like, well, what if we? Is it Kevin's idea? It's Kevin's idea.

Yeah, it is. He's like, why don't we do something for you guys? And he's like, well, I guess I'm not violating the rule if you guys do it. So the kids decide to do this whole thing. For our anniversary, yep. Right? Like, he heard that mom likes Cornish Gamehens. Yeah.

So, like, you see Kev, like, following a recipe, like, making Cornish game hymns, right? You see Randall and Kate go to the library. Yeah. It's one of my favorite shots of, like, Randall, walking into the library. And all these other kids are like, yo, what up, R.D. Like, they're, like, dapping him up. Yeah. Like, he's the mother-effing man up in this public life.

Yeah, yeah, he's in his world, his element. And Kate was like, my brother's cool, dude. He's like, yeah, I'm cool. If anybody needs help with that Dewey Decimal system, they know who you go to. So they do this whole thing. Kev has the, he's making the hand. Dad agrees to put it in the oven and correct the, if I jump something, let me know. No, no.

Puss it in the oven and everything. Everything's going according to plan until they realized that dad did not turn on the oven, right? And Kev is sort of like really bummed and just starts crying. And you're like, whoa, Kev, what's going on, man? It's not that heavy. He's like, now you and mom are going to get divorced. And this is one of those echoes that sort of reminds you that check in with your kids from time to time

because if you don't teach them, they're going to learn from somebody else what something means. Somebody in his class got, it was Sophie's parents. Sophie's parents got divorced. And he's like, look, I need this thing to go well, to go well because otherwise you guys are going to get divorced and you guys are like nope not happening never ever ever yeah right he's like you sure and he's like sure he's like okay i see you later yeah so he's like we can salvage the rest of the plan because by the time you guys come upstairs

beautiful christmas lights the white lights i prefer i think the white lights are a classic look as opposed to the multicolored lights you know what i'm saying it's a classic clean look, right? Lay it out for you guys. Hot take. Oh, here we go, hot take. It is fucking Christmas time. You put up the multicolored lights. Those white lights are at the Grove year round. I appreciate the white lights. Okay. All right. Wow. There's a dividing line on this couch. Here it goes. We don't know what you agree. It's my podcast, Kevin, our podcast. We have white lights up at our house year round. Oh, I love that. Christmas time, I go around bulb by bulb and change them out.

No, you don't. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It is Christmas time. You change bulb by bulb. I've got them up there year round. We have white lights. Halloween.

They're orange? Orange lights. Christmas time. Multi-colored Christmas lights. Christmas lights. Hot take. That is a real hot take. Sorry.

I didn't mean to, I didn't know I was gonna get that hot. Can I tell you something? I appreciate your passion? Passion? Yeah. It'll change from year to year for us. There's some years in which the tree will go up with just the white lights, right? And then there's some years in which we'll do multi, because we have way too many.

I'll tell you what. Christmas decorations, finding storage, putting them in place, putting them back afterwards, monster pain in the butt, beautiful for about a month and a half. And then it's like, all right, now I've got to put all this shit up, right? But we'll go back and forth between both. So, so yes and. Yes. And. And that's how you do that.

They're called Christmas. That was us, right? Where were we? Vegas, baby. So they wait. They're about to go and... They go up on the roof. They go up on the roof.

And Jack has his grand gesture. He can't help himself. No, it's actually the kids. It's the kids. The kid allow for this moment for Jack and Rebecca to sort of pee out on the roof. There's a media. meteor shower, for them to witness that. Yes.

It's very sweet. His grand gesture is like, you know, somebody told me that like, media, you know what Randall told me about medias? I think is that the meters are always there. It's just we can't see them. And he says, like, I know, I see you, Rebecca. Yeah. You're my daily meteor shower.

There you go. Yeah. Which is a very sweet sentiment. He's good with the words like that. Yeah. Jack Pearson ain't bad, right? Okay, that's that whole time, right? Correct.

In the present, Randall and Beth are about to go to Vegas. Beth is hype. She is ready to get her thug-thizzle on up in Vegas. Randall, a bit more reticent. At the end of the previous episode, oh, we didn't mention this, do we? At the end of the previous episode. Yeah. Sorry.

Brown tripped on one. Yeah. Yeah, Brown-tripped on one. You didn't talk enough. Didn't. See, that's the preface. problem you got to speak up all right at the end of 215 yeah we get a visit from dacia and she tells us that um the water or the heat it's 87 dollars and 49 gas has been turned

off gas has been turned off in the house like i need cash because then i can tell her it was like cash that i saved up for my allowance i don't want you to call my mom just we just need this little bit we're going to be fine right that happened at the end of two 15. Right. So at the top of Vegas, I'm like, ah, what if Deja needs us again? You know, like, maybe we don't need to go. And you're like, yo, your brother-in-law's having you out for his bachelor party, your sister wants me in her. I was like, we're pity invites, right? Like, nobody wants their brother-in-law tagging along on their, you know, bachelor party, et cetera. Like, why don't we just stay here focused? And she's like, look, bro, this is going to be something that's

going to be fun for everybody. You got to get it together. Do your rain man. Uh, what was the Rain Man Vegas, sort of the, she calls it Rain Man, something, poker or Blackjack. Rain Man Blackjack, right? He's like, I don't wanna do the Rain Man blackjack. And let me tell you something about Brown. I watched a lot of Rain Man in preparation for this one little scene, Jack.

Because I don't like to fake the fuck, brother. You nailed it. But when I watched it, I was like, that was pretty solid. Yeah, I felt good about it. It was good. Definitely a good, definitely good Rain Man, definitely. So you see Black Pearson's are two very different spaces regarding the trip to Vegas, right?

You guys have a very interesting conversation, Kate and Toby, because you admit to a certain codependence in your relationship. And it's the first time I heard that articulated out loud. So I'm curious, like, the scene and that statement in particular. Yeah, I mean, it's a fairly self-aware thing to have, but it's a good thing to understand. Yeah.

My wife and I definitely have it. Yeah. And it's, and it can, it can screw things up. Yeah. It can, it can get in the way. There is such a thing as healthy, co-dependence, for sure. But that is an aware, that is, there has to be awareness around it. There has to be boundaries still involved.

Yeah. And healthy practices put in place, because I'm definitely a codependent person. That's right. Yeah, we know. Can you ask you a question, how would you define codependent? Because I need to know if I am or not. I'm not sure. Codependency in my...

With your relationship. In my relationship, in any relationship. Or when codependence becomes a problem. Yeah, okay. When you essentially, in my opinion, as it relates to, say, addiction, you turn another person into a drug of sorts. Okay. Okay.

You put too much weight on their... opinion of you, their input, their, you need them in a way that becomes burdensome both for them and you. Okay, that's probably closer to what I'm thinking of. Well, okay, so the actual literal dictionary definition is, the literal dictionary definition is excessive emotional or psychological reliance on a partner, typically one who requires support on account of an illness or addiction. Okay. And so, let's put it this way. A lot of people who end up with addicts, their side of it is codependence. Got it. They are, they can be enablers. They can, they can be, the thing that they need to, their side of the street in the relationship that they need to

heal is codependence, generally speaking. So this also says a codependent person may have an excessive reliance on others for emotional support, validation and decision making. I think that's where it factors in for me. It's like if I don't plan the vacation well, then I'm, I don't have any value. I don't, you know what I mean? It's like if I don't do X, Y, and Z for my family, for my partner, for my parents, exactly, then like what value do I have what worth do I have? What am I able to sort of bring to the table? I mean, there's a certain amount of it in the profession that we have chosen for ourselves. Oh, correct. And what I have just been experiencing the last couple weeks, which is sort of like pivoted me right back into

therapy, which I've sort of ebbed and flowed throughout my life, but I was like, I need help. I need support. I need to talk to somebody. But I have found often that like the stressors of what's been happening, trying to sort of be strong, trying to show up, trying to plan things, trying to sort of like realign our life in a way when things don't go exactly the way that they're supposed to or the way that I hoped for or something, it's like the littlest thing can go wrong. And I'm like, I'm a complete failure.

I don't know how to do this. It's like what value do I have as a parent, as a partner, or whatnot, if I can't show up and do X, Y, and Z. And it's like, obviously, that's not real, but in those moments, that validation, just that I would give myself by being able to perform those specific tasks. When I'm unable to do that, I feel like a complete mess. I think that is so, what a wonderful thing to share, because I think a lot of women feel that. And I think for women here, like, Mandy Moore, be feeling nice stuff?

Oh, yeah. That's all the time. But certainly, like, it's exacerbated right now. And I'm working through that. I hear you. Yeah, I'm just sort of like, I just need to, like, check out of this moment because if I can't do it well, which in normal circumstances, I'm pretty good at, like, having grace for myself. But for some reason, I found it extraordinarily hard in these last, like, few months to do that, to show up for myself in that way. And so much is out of your conditions.

control. Sure. Yeah. For sure. For sure. So I guess I'm sort of making a different correlation between and I have found myself in previous chapters of my life, like deeply, deeply in a codependent relationship. You know what I mean? Like literally like, literally like subservient. Like here is your breakfast in bed every day. And if I am not able to deliver that, then what value do I have in your life? Oh yeah, like that Sterling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, I know. Different. Different life, another podcast. And you finally told Taylor, no more. No more.

Make your own damn breakfast. Yeah. Well, I more or less did say it to that person, but like, yes, like feeling as if, like, I had to make myself as small as possible to fit into somebody's life and to show up in that way. And if I was unable to do that, then, like, I couldn't keep this relationship intact. My life was off the rails, like, so. It would have been fascinating to meet you with that because that's not who you are right now.

No, no. I did, but I did a lot of work and excavating and unpacking all of that. And it was so strange that, like, as that chapter of my life was ending, this is us, like, came into my life. Like, my life opened up in the most beautiful way. It's like when I chose myself, the world that I was hoping to sort of find on the other side of it was there for me waiting. We'll be right back with more. That was us. All right. I've had it. Let's talk about travel. Everyone's got their own idea of the perfect getaway. Mine is to the mountains, I think. A lot of people like warm getaways. I like a cozy, cold getaway where it's cold outside, but warm inside. Maybe with a little hot tub out on a deck somewhere. Oh, I love that. Or what about a wellness trip? Yes. Picture this. You're staying at an Airbnb near a spa retreat, morning yoga on a private deck.

A fresh smoothie situation in the kitchen, total relaxation. Or maybe you're the type that would rather be in a cozy cabin like Chris. Yeah, sitting by a fire with your family, just soaking everything in. So last season, we're about to do it again. We're going to take the kids up to Big Bear. Get a little snow action. And get a little snow, put them on something that slides and push them down a mountain. I love that. And we found a nice cozy little spot, like I said, a little hot tub on the deck. We did the same thing last season at Lake Arrowhead. I love that. That feels like a great little family tradition to start. And here's the thing. While you're off making those kinds of memories, your home could be doing the same for someone else. So why not list your place on Airbnb while you're away? Maybe there's a family looking for a spot just like yours or someone just needing a place that feels right. You call the shots. You decide when to host, how to set up your space, who stays. Airbnb makes it super simple. So while you're off enjoying your trip, your place is working for you.

So what's the perfect getaway? the big game, a quiet retreat, a trip back to a place that means something special. Whatever it is, hosting on Airbnb could be the way to make it happen. Your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much at Airbnb.com slash host. There's a few more deep things to talk about in this conversation with Kate and Toby. First of all, I almost glanced over Madison at the top of this scene. And the interaction between the two of you made me laugh out loud at least two or three times.

It's my favorite side of Toby. It's fucking fantastic. Yes. Yeah. She calls him Toblerone. And he's like, I don't like that. Like you're so. Then she hits him with the one two Mike and, you guys are so Mike and Molly. And I was like, oh, that's.

That is so rude. Rude. And he says under his breath, I really don't like you. I really don't. Yeah. But then what was the one at the end that he was like, I don't like, actually no idea like that.

No, I think she's like, okay. See you later, Toby Bryant. And he's like, what are you? Oh, you know, I actually like Toby Bryant. That's not fair. That's very good. Yeah. Yeah.

Because the ironic part, I mean, the ironic part is that Madison and Toby have quite a bit in common. Yes, they do. And because Toby. later this episode trust to call you Randy. He sure does. Randall is not a Randy. Randy, can I call you Randy?

No, okay. Yeah. But so we get into the media, you guys talk about the codependency and why it's important that you have separate bachelor part, bachelor, bachelorette parties, right? While you very much want to be together,

it's important for us to have some things that are separate. And they kind of confide. It's the first time I've heard Kate talk about, like, I don't really even know Beth. Like, why is she coming? Why can I have Randall? Like she wants to be with her brother.

He backs up breath and is like, okay, we could switch. And like, no, we should keep it this way. Yes, yes. You imagine that episode of television though real quick, just a little fan fiction. When we do it the other way? And what those scenes look like? Oh, we can kind of get there in a second because we have behind the scenes, Magic Mike stories, it's tough.

But there was also your brother. That's what I wanted to talk about. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Toby brings up a brother. Toby brings up his brother and how, like, you know, he finds a way to not be present or whatnot. Now, here's the thing, and I only want you to touch on it or how you feel about it. Chris Sullivan has a brother. Yes.

And we, this is only like, because I know this is just surface, but I thought like it's an interesting sort of parallel. Yes. If you want to touch on it at all. It is parallel. There we go. And there we have it. Yeah. No, I thought about that as well.

Yeah. But it was, it's just interesting because I'm like, oh, yeah. And then we never hear from your brother ever. It's just another spooky moment in this show. Yes, peppered in. Where things like start lining up with our real life. Listen, here's the thing about it too. And this is, I mean, just sort of addressing,

sibling relationships are so different and unique to every pair of siblings. I have an older brother and an older sister. I have a little brother and a little sister, but they were adopted when I was already in grad school. So they're 22 and 24 years younger than me. So it didn't really have a chance to like connect and grow up together. And grew up a little bit with my brother and sister who are 14 and 12 and a half years older than me.

So you're like an only child. So I'm my dad's only son. Right? And I have my brother and sister who I love and adore. But there is also an estrangement there too. My brother functions very much like random. I function very much like Kevin. I come and bring the sunshine and joy and everything.

And he's like, well, you're not here all the time. And we have these things that happen, right? And I feel like I honor the show and showing that, like, it's not always peaches and cream between these three people who grew up in the same household and have the same experience because they have very different memories of the experience that they had as well. So it's just like, I say that to say, like,

we were just talking about our kids, in the last episode and how we're sort of like, hey, you guys are gonna be the only people that you have. So try a little harder. But isn't that, isn't that, so we talked about that in the last episode, right? About, and doesn't that make you, it makes me hesitate to like even talk about how it should be.

Huh. Hmm. Huh. Because I wonder if part of the, the difficulty in families, right? Because the idea like, well, we're all a family. But each kid. who is born into a family is born into a completely different family than the other children.

Preach. Yours being dramatically so dramatic that it's evident. Right, right, right, right. But when we have kids that are like a couple years apart, it just seems like, no, no, this is a family. Right. But it's still, they're vastly different. And to, like, put any kind of pressure on, like,

this is your sibling. This is how siblings act. for me, it's like, has been part of the stress. For me, it's like, that's not the way it is. And part of my stress about the way it is is because people have told me it's supposed to be different. Sure. And I'm like, but it's not.

Yeah. And so, like, I haven't really found peace with that relationship. So it's like, yeah, but this is the way it is now. Right. And I can ease into that and let it play out and try to stay present and hope that it changes. And if it doesn't, you know, it's like, I don't know. It's an interesting dynamic that is hard to navigate as they're right there.

Listen, I hear you. I do hear you. And you make a very, very good point because it's almost like there should be a level of acceptance for what is versus what should be. And always trying to make something to what it should be means that you're not accepting what is in front of you. right that and their children yeah meaning meaning that like you know we can sort of say like ideally this person is a value in your life if you take a look and focus like what is a value what do you like about this person and they'll enumerate several things i was like okay why don't you choose to focus on those things right now right rather than this one thing that he wants to use the

the PS5 right right like focus on that thing because like you'll hear things like why doesn't so-and-so like me and why is so-and-so so annoying and I was like well because um sometimes you do things that are unlikable and sometimes you know you can be annoying or whatnot but what are the things that you do yeah so maybe it's a matter of like sort of like high like accentuating the positive you know sure that type of thing sure sure sure but but we as parents too often because Ryan will have these moments especially because it's two dudes in my house who are dutty dudes, being like,

why do they just beat each... Doody dudes. Why do they just beat each other up? I was like, they're bonding. And she's like, for real? I'm like, yeah, that's what it looks like. Yeah. Yeah. But there's also... You can see it, you can see it like in your school relationships, right? Like, I'm friends with this dad out of convenience.

Sure. You know what I mean? Like, because we end up in the same space. A lot. Yeah. At the same, every weekend at a new toddler birthday party. Yeah. There's my guy. Yeah.

That's my guy. I can talk to him. I can talk to that guy. And the ironic part about it, and that's fine. Yeah. That relationship is what it is. But if, as soon as my kid goes to different school, I'm never going to see that guy again. Right.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And there's, there's an element of that in families where it's like, no, we are around each other. because we have to be. We get together for Thanksgiving. I love this. He's talking about it without talking about it. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you don't appear to like me, which is fine. Right. And I maybe realize that part of the reason you don't is because I've tried so hard to get you to like me. Yeah. And there's all these dynamics to play out and this is us too, where it's like, yeah, we're brothers. Yeah. But we might not be.

friends at all times. I agree. But there's a deep love there. I agree. There is a deep love there. Is there? I mean, there must be, right? So for me, I'll say, God, I hope there is. I will say for me because like I, I don't even know if they watch this podcast, but we're going to find out. If they do, we'll find out. Love my brother deeply. Yeah. Love my sister deeply. If they weren't my brother and sister, we would not be friends. Right. That's how it is with families sometimes, though. Right. It's like, I get that.

Yeah. We don't have the same interests. It's not even, we don't have the same opinion. We don't have the same lived life experience now as adults or the way we have families. Yeah. I'm talking about your, you're talking about it. What bounces on least 16? You're talking about it.

You guys. But it's so interesting. That's one of the fascinating things about this TV show. It's good, too. Because Mandy loves her brothers. It's like, it's all crazy. Yeah, go to the Patreon to hear what Mandy wants to like to that, her brother. Okay.

We don't have a Patreon for anyone who's listening. So, hey, question, should we have a Patreon? Anybody listening? Let us know in the comments. There you go. Thanks, Sally. They decide to do their individual. And we'll, well, that was a good.

Thank you for joining me in that digression. I appreciate that. Let's get to Vegas. So we're going to Vegas. Randall and Beth are there. Beth is like screaming out of the top of the, limo, limousine. I was like, okay.

So happy to do whatever's about to happen. Randall is like on his phone. Like, you know, Asia may call us. I don't know if we should be here. And she's like, I'm over you, bro. Yeah. Like, why don't you just be here? Yeah.

Basically. Like, you keep doing this sort of thing. Like, I don't, I can't deal with it all time. He says something like, well, I know it's easy for you to detach from certain things. And she's like, what you said? Oh, scud. And later, he has to backtrack. He's like, I didn't say,

you were detached. I say you were detaching from the thing. What I meant was. You said, I'm the heart, you're the head, which doesn't make it any better. Oh, no, no. You're digging yourself. As far as she's concerned.

And it's going bad. And he's not trying to, but he's also like, how come you don't care? Like, the girl just came to the house because the heat or, you know, the gas got turned off. He's also kind of like, you seem really like, it's too easy for you. Like, I can't do that, right?

That's his interpretation. Right. And we see, and we, but we come to find out that Beth is battling her co-dependency. Yep. Right. Yeah. By trying to detach from this relationship. Right. Because this child means a whole hell of a lot.

Means a whole hell of a lot. But has been, but is with her mom. Has been reunited with her mom. So before, before we even get to there, they, they sort of like, Randall goes off to hang out with Tobias, him and Kev, and then Beth goes to hang out with Kate. And it's, you know, a little bit of awkwardness at the beginning, but you see Beth takes a big swig from her bottle. She's going to hide. And Chris, he's like, oh, that's what we're doing.

This is what we're doing here. They wind up going to Magic Mike. Credit to Madison and the writers were fun of her like, I like, and there's a whale, and then there's Dick. Because it's Moby, and that you can get away with, evidently, on standards and practices. That's right. At 9 p.m. on Tuesday nights.

They go to Magic Mike. Now, here's the fun story. So Sue at Magic Mike. She's got to do all this stuff as Beth or whatnot. Yeah, but let's talk about Sue. We're talking about Sue. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's something that got cut out of the episode.

Because all you see is her, like, laying down on the sofa thing on jig and the guy coming there and crawl in top. So there's this moment that they had, Joanna Kern, our director, this episode, she's like, you know, this is going to be fun, we're going to have a blast. For those who don't know who Joanna Kern is. Go. She's wonderful. She's an icon of...

Another icon, another television icon. Yeah, we're talking about growing pains. The mother from growing. Yes, yes. And who's been directing, she directed episodes of Army Wives. She did. She absolutely did. So it's nice.

It was a reunion, right? But if you need to picture who's directing Sue at the Magic Mic Show, it's the mom from growing pain. Mom for Growing Pain. Who's bout about it? Like, she's so hype and like, energetic and awesome. There's this thing where the dude gets up in a harness. A harness, whatever the thing. the thing is what, Sue straddles my man, like on the harness, and then they spin, boom.

In the air, right? In the air, right? So they do this a few times. Yeah. And it's funny because Sue is one of the most stoic people you will ever meet. Until she's not. No, but even in, even it. So I can, because I saw something was wrong, because I spent the most time with her.

And she's just laid on the mat after she finished. spinning and what and I just like, mm. And I said, are you okay? She said, S.K. I don't think I can stand up. She was so dizzy. She had like some sort of like inner ear thing. Oh, no. Couldn't walk. Like we had to take her to like the back room that I don't know if it was drama

mean or some other sort of thing. And you could just sort of like settle her down because she yacked repeatedly. But like you would only end behind closed doors because in front of things. Yeah. Placid. I didn't know. I didn't even know. Pro.

I didn't know that part of it. She got jacked up. Oh, man. And they didn't even use that in the episode. And they didn't even use it in the episode. But Susan has the footage. Yeah. Oh, I saw all the footage and pictures.

So the next footage is because... I wasn't shooting that day, but I was there. I'll come back. I'll come back to. So we're with you and your fellas. Everybody's having a good time. It's cool. I was like, well, there are a lot of gentlemen in glasses.

Listen. And both. How else are people going to want to? watch a TV show and know that someone's a nerd if they don't all wear glasses and most of them are bald well shout out I asked before whether or not the brother that you brought to the viewing party for the football game yeah was he at the same guy it's the same guy yeah scooter yeah he's having a good friend they're chilling we're all chilling we go we go out to get a bite to eat everybody's having a good time the two brothers are sitting right next to their brother-in-law

to be everything's going well kev sees uh he's Co-star from his movie. From his movie. He's like, oh, snap. Yeah. And we should also say before we get there, that Kev is, like, being very vigilant about his sobriety. Yeah.

He's fresh off of rehab. He's a very inappropriate with a housekeeper. But just like the monologue to her, it's like, and you're going to witness. Here's what you're going to witness. I'm just like, Jesus Christ. But it's, he's asking for help. Like, it isn't quite appropriate, but he's also like, I need accountability. Straight white male.

I've been to Vegas like 200 times, you know how many times, oh, 50 times. You know how many times I've been blackout drunk? She's like, every time, he's like, every time, like, how did you know that? So he's there, everybody's drinking around him. Yeah. Toby's like, is this a problem? He's like, nope, not a problem. And it's interesting because it reminds me of friends that I've talked to.

And they're like, your drinking is a problem for me. People who've gone through rehab, they're like, your drinking isn't a problem for me. It's my drinking. And so he's like, okay, cool. He sees his friend, a co-star walk by. He goes to say hi. You see Toby have a bit of a moment, being like, oh, okay, that's cool. I guess she's, whatever.

Yeah. He goes to say hi. And this is something I'm wondering, you've never experienced this. I'm guaranteeing it. I'm calling my shot before. I don't know if you have or not. But the girl winds up telling him that she got cut out of the movie, right? And that Ron Howard sent an email or something like that, what have you.

And he's like, half of my scenes are with you. And she's like, I don't know, tell you. I got cut out of my first two movies. Really? Yes. One of them was called Brown Sugar. It was like Taye Diggs, Sinah Lathan, Boris Kojo, a bunch of folks. I had a scene with Method Man.

And as soon as Method Man wasn't in the movie, I was like, I took my mom and my sister to go see this movie in the movie theater. And at the end of the movie. Let's be fair. Method Man got cut out of that movie. Well, and yes. Yeah. And yours truly by proxy. And my mom

It wasn't because of anything you did My mom in the movie He was like Were you the young man in the back Playing basketball? Like she's looking at the extras Like I They didn't even tell you

Maybe no Oh Jesus No Rude We're at the beginning of our career Rude But still Still

Then I did another one with Jimmy Fallin and Queen Latifah A film called Taxi Where I was a mounted Central Park Hot Ranger Ranger Sort of thing

And it got cut out too And I was like, God, I'm not going to get cut out of everything. So when Kev was, like, sort of thinking about being cut out, fresh off of sobriety, I had a working sort of, like, framework of like, it sucks. It starts to make him spiral, too. Starts to make him spiral. Have you been cut? Not to say it.

No. Not to my knowledge. Not to my knowledge. Mandy doesn't even watch the movies. She's like, I don't know. Yeah. I watched myself. Mandy's like, I make them.

I let him go. You gotta let the art go You gotta let it go Like a bird fly fly Have you been cut? No, I don't get cut Would you cut this guy? My shit don't get cut

Sorry, sirling But would you cut this guy? I'm trying to think I probably No No, no no It's happened a third time I was in the born

The one with Jeremy Renner Yeah Oh I had a scene with Jeremy Renner in it And I got cut out of that Can I say something? The born direction They're all

Everyone is kicking themselves now. All those respective projects are like, we had Sterling K. Brown and we didn't. The audacity. We cut Method Man out of this movie. He could have had a sterling scene. Yeah. Bless you. So he's spiraling. He's spiraling. He's spiraling. And he's feeling it. And so he winds up going back to his room, doing sit-ups in front of the mini-bar. Like it feels like... Praying. He's like praying to an altar. It's such an interesting thing because it's like, I'm trying to fight something by looking directly at the thing that is... That's probably not the best. That's probably what it is.

But not the healthiest idea, right? Randall winds up getting a call from Deja. He's like, excuse me, I got to take off. Again, Tobias clocks and he's like... They both laughed. And they were sitting right next to them, right? It's not like they were at the other end at the table. That's bad dinnering.

Deja calls, and she sort of stilted in her responses, and there's long pause. etc. And he can feel something's not right. Yeah. Right? So he goes, he tells, told me, I excuse me, you guys have a great time, catch up with you later. And there's a few things that we cut out of this thing. Because I know we shot more than what we wound up seeing in the episode. There's more interaction, I feel like, after, before we wind up walking to your door later on, Kevin and I. Oh, yeah, you guys.

What, is not you with you either? They didn't cut any of my stuff. Okay. They never do. What am I saying? What am I saying? It has the conversation and they get off the phone. She says everything's all right. It's just hard for her to talk when her mom's not on the line. So I got to go and he's like, okay.

So he goes to the magic mic thing and he sees Beth fresh off of being groped by dudes, which is here's a side tangent because it doesn't bother me. If you saw your wife or your husband at a strip club and they were having a lap dance or something like that, are you upset or are you not upset? Yeah, Mandy, if you saw Taylor, if you walk into a strip club. If you saw Taylor at Anora. If he was in the Anora club and Mikey Madden's, no.

No, big thing. I don't care. I don't care either. It's not, okay. But let's also be clear, for anybody who has not seen the Magic Mike show in Las Vegas, what you saw on our show. Yeah. Was the Blues Clues version of what happens at that show.

It's pretty raunchy. People be There's People be Getting violently dry humped At that show People on stage People be

In France People be getting violently Aggressively Pines Slapped At that show Is this episode gonna have to have an explicit warning This is an advertisement

Pean slap This is a non-paid advertisement for Magic Mike the show go see it get pee slapped I did I did join the dancers just abbreviate penis he did peen slap

peen slap yeah people people be getting the ball peen hammer like this it is that's because it's violent if it wasn't violent no no no it is violent it's violent

but it's but I guess it's violence that is invited that you want. Encouraged. You know what, so this is interesting. Another quick tangent. How many women do you know whether you were one of them or not

that enjoyed the male strip club? Oh, it's not for me. No judgment, but it's not for me. It's not for you. I've heard a lot of women say that. And there's a few who are like, yeah, I'll go. I guess I haven't asked. All right.

Yeah. Yeah. My wife doesn't like it. I think I'd rather go. I think I'd rather go. To see women. She'd rather probably go see women. 100%, me too.

Yeah. Let's talk more about that Let's get into that Now I bet you wish we had a Patreon Oh, Sully Oh Sully So I did I wound up getting on stage with the fellas

Right? Because people would be like Take it over up yes So we had like one shot You have photos and videos of this right We have photos and videos So go to our socials right now And we'll repost those Yeah

Yeah yeah we can find this Because the footage is fantastic It was fun It was fun Because Sterling got ball peeing hammered. They were smacking them around with, I'm kidding. Only above the torso. I review, it's holding from here to here.

Yeah. If you want to see, let's do this one. If you want to see what really happens, go watch the queer eye in Vegas when they visit Magic, Mike. That's what happens at that show. Well, that feels appropriate. That makes sense. That makes sense.

So, Randall rose up. I gave him for talking about the show. Randall rose up and sees Beth. And she's like, Randall, what are you doing here? He's like, I got a phone call. To his credit, he doesn't trip off of his wife. To his credit. I was like, okay, I didn't know if they were going to have him, like, get mad about that.

Because I think that did get cut. I think he got a little upset about it. And they actually wound up cutting that part, which I think is cool. He's like, I got a call from Dacia, and I can tell something's not right. She didn't say anything was wrong, but she was sort of stilted, and there was a lot of weird pauses, whatever. And Beth is like, so nothing's wrong. And he's like, yeah, but like something is sort of like going.

So you came in here to tell me that nothing is wrong with her, but you had to crash your sister's bachelor at party. He's like, bruh, read the motherfucking room. Like, people are in here having a good time. And I'm trying to have one night. Yeah. One night, homie, where I don't have to deal with your anxiety. He's like, oh, yeah.

I didn't know being married. to me. And you know what's funny? I kind of forgot this was one of like our first fights before season three. I love that she admitted that. She was like, I sit in your anxiety every day. You couldn't give me this one moment. It was like, wow, that's a shade of Beth I've never seen before. This is true. But I appreciated it. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I was like, and then Kate stands up. Yes. And makes it a whole new situation. And she's like, Kate, this ain't got nothing to do with you. I need you to sit down. She's like, no, this is my brother. And she's like, this is my husband.

And she's like, I'm abundantly clear who is more important to Randall, right? And she's like, now this fight is seven different directions that it's going. Yeah. Now she, now everyone's picked a fight with everyone. Everybody is in a fight with everybody. She winds up excusing herself. And that's like it all sort of like falls from there. But one of the interesting things about is like, this was one of my first scenes with Chrissy.

We had a scene immediately. Immediately after William's passing, right, at the house, but it was a short little thing. So this was like a little bit longer. So it's been like- Amazing, it feels like you guys have had dozens of scenes. I get one scene with Mets a year, right? Yeah, like one-on-one.

And it was a really beautiful scene because what I appreciated information-wise is like people always say it's me and Kev, Kate says, what not. But when mom, when dad died, like it was you and me, man. Like we were kicking it. We were the ones who were there. You'd watch sex in the city with me. You know what I'm saying?

It was awesome. And I wanted to tell her, I was like, yo, look, I'm a straight young black dude. I wasn't really that into sex in the city. But I was into it because you were into it, right? Yeah. So sweet. And it's just a beautiful moment of connection

to contrast me and Chris talking about it as early as they had to sound. But it was really quite lovely. And she also tells him, she's like, so how's the bachelor party going? Like, ah, no, we wind up leaving so he can hang out with his friends. Yeah, Kev wound up seeing a co-star.

I wound up taking the conversation with Deja. And she's like, and I'm like, wow, what's the big deal? She's like, he kind of just wanted to hang out with you guys. Everybody else was filler. Everybody else was filler. And that's, and you're like, oh, shit. So I know a scene got cut where I went to go get Kev from his room, because the next thing we see is the two of us

the two of us at your door saying like, sorry, rebelled on you. So I was like, ah, it's no big deal. Like, you know, what you're talking about? And I was like, you want to take a walk? I'll go get my coat. Yeah. Right? And okay, so we go on this walk.

We've told you a little bit about this story. And I'm trying, you may remember it better than me. I'll remember it as you guys tell it. So we wind up going on this walk in Old Vegas, old Vegas, right? Which is really cool, big bright light, multi-colored, not white. And thank you.

And there's this dude who just starts heckling Justin. Yeah, like Mandy, unmercelessly. And I think he waits in between takes, because I think he was that extra. It was a crowd. We had done our scene, our talking scene. Yeah. And then it was the three of us standing in the middle

of the strip looking into all the stuff. And a crowd was forming around us because. You're filming a TV show. You're filming a TV show. And there's a guy who's around the outside of the back. I can't remember what he was yelling. Can you remember what he was yelling? It was about like, you think you're so handsome.

He's like, I look better than you. I look better than you. And like, this dude was drizzly drunk. Drizzy drunk drunk drunk, and like, we were like just like, bro, like me and Sally kept looking at each other, like, it's going to stop. We were, because we were starting to get angry. Yeah. And Justin was just like, he was like, yeah, whatever.

Justin is a Buddhist. Like, this is like seeing the Buddhism. This leads, this leads perfectly into my behind-the-scenes story of Vegas and Justin. Yeah. Because part of me as Chris, the actor, was very much looking forward to having time with Sterling and Justin. Yeah. Like, I was like, I love these guys. I respect these guys.

We don't really get a lot of time together. I'm like, we're going to Vegas. We're going to hang out. And I was like, or maybe not. I don't know if I don't know if we'll have time. But I was very much looking forward to it. And you came in a little later, but I knew Justin and I were getting in at the same time. And I texted him, I'm like, hey, you want to go, do you want to go do something?

Do you want to hang out? And thinking, like, really at the time, I was like, he's not going to want to, he's not going to want to hang out. And sure enough, he was like, yeah. Justin did. Yeah, what do you want to do? That's so, Justin. Yes. Well, what we did, and we didn't really ever even tell anybody what we did.

Oh, goodness. We didn't tell anybody. We didn't put anything on social media. We just went and did this thing because it is a little bit controversial. Skydiving? No, not skydiving. You did the racing thing. No, we didn't.

Because in Vegas, you can do anything you want. Literally. Like, I have driven open-wheel indie race cars. You can go out to the desert and drive a tank. Can you really? Buddy, you can get in an Apache helicopter. and shoot a door gun in Vegas. What?

I'm telling, when I say you can do, when you can, you can do anything you want in Vegas, you can do anything you want. And one of the things that you can do in Vegas is go to very specialized shooting ranges. Okay. Okay. And shoot any weapon that is available to humanity.

And, and I was like, hey, Justin, do you want to go shoot some guns? Because I know how to. I enjoy it. Yeah. I don't own any weapons, but I'm like, this is our chance. And he was like, hell yeah. 50 cow, fully out of that.

So here's what happens. So it's me and Justin. Nobody else really arrived yet. We decide we're going to go do this, and then we're going to go have dinner. And this particular gun range will pick you up at your hotel. Concierge's gun range? It's Vegas, baby. Vegas, baby.

And so great. Actually, that'd be great because we didn't have a ride or anything. What they pull up in, is a 1990s-era military Humvee with two seats mounted on the roof. No, dude. And it's me and Justin on some kind of weird romantic mandate. You got in a stupid, that's amazing. Wind blowing.

Martin are we to a gun range on the roof of a Humvee. And he's like, you know, we can't put. anything about this. And I'm like, I, because the world, and with, like, we just didn't want to, like, glorify it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we had, so we went and bought these packages and shotguns for like 30 minutes. Wow. With these three guys who had no idea what this as us was.

That's amazing. And then we went to dinner. We came back to the hotel. And we, and the hotel we were in had a nobu. And so we went and ate sushi. Yeah. And this is. I'm coming around to how this tied into all this.

We walk in and coming out of the restaurant, we are in the lobby and coming out is a group of 15 women on a Bachelorette weekend. Oh, God. And they see Justin and lose their ever-loving minds. You guys. I believe it. And I want to like, I want to be light about this story,

but in this moment, Justin is sexually assaulted. Really? By a large group of women. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Like, he's agreed to take a photo with them. Sure. And I'm watching.

I'm literally not in the photo. I have one of their phones. And he's being assaulted, like assaulted. Right. Like, yeah. Like being touched. No, they're women on a bachelor at party. They're drunk.

Yeah. In Vegas. He's like, and the look on his face and all of these photos is not having it. Yeah. he's not having it yeah yeah and he's upset about as upset as i've seen him sure oh wow like but he takes the photo all right thanks good bye yeah thank you bye yep and we go and we sit down and have dinner and i've seen him in these situations a couple times and obviously this is before our moment on the street and i and i sit down at the table across from him and i'm like do you meditate

what is your deal yeah are you a zen Buddhist You said it. Yeah, yeah. Are you, do you practice Zen? Yeah. And he's like, it's interesting that you asked that. Yeah. And he started telling me about his practice.

Yeah. And his spiritual practice as it were, and I'm obviously not going to get too personal about it, but I've just seen his resilience and his positivity and the way he moves through the world and his non-attachment to things. Yeah. Yeah. Anything. It's impressive.

monetary. It's really admirable. Yeah. Yeah. And it makes him a very light being to be around. It does. And kind of wherever he is, he's there. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like he's not, he's not, he's not. He's not being present. Yes. He's not thinking about the next thing. He's not looking around. He's like with you. Yeah. And we had dinner. Yeah. And it was like, I'm going to be honest. It was one of the best dates I've ever been on. That guy's an enigma. It's like, I mean, I can't. I can't. I can't wait to have them on this podcast. Yeah. It's going to be awesome.

Yeah. And it is, too, it's perfect casting for Kevin in terms of just like how people can be constantly underestimated because of how they look. Yeah. Right? Like, they look like they should be this. So people think of them as that. And there's so much more.

Right. Yeah. He is that. That, that, so this thing happens outside. And this guy, Mandy, he keeps going in. He's like, you think you're handsome? You think you're better to me? You're not better than me.

you make more like he starts talking about how much money you make like he starts just throwing like he's trying to get a rise out of him sure and at a certain point i was like just i'm gonna go talk to this guy's like don't talk yeah yeah and jose him's like just forget it forget it don't worry about it yeah because the guy was just baiting him and it wouldn't surprise me if someone was filming his buddy totally it was like watch this totally seeing if they could get this guy to yeah yeah yeah and they didn't they didn't and it was it was cool it was it was a life lesson for me yeah because it was like it was like it was like some weird part of like it wasn't even a person it was like a like a character trait yeah of society was like you're surrounded by all these

people who are fascinated by you but i'm not fucking fascinated by you yeah you piece of shit and it's like oh i've got that voice in my head hey there's that voice in my head right he's here yeah yeah yeah the physical embodiment yeah good i can take them out of my head yeah and put them right over there yeah it's a fascinating thing to watch but i gotta say like through through all of my interviews about the show like being there with you guys getting to shoot that even just that little moment of a three of us in old vegas was like a real special moment for me it was a great it felt like a brotherly moment i loved it i love because you gave you gave him the advice in the scene to call Ron Howard, you know, and let them know what your worth is

and your value, you know what I'm saying? Like, don't just sit and wait to find out that you've been cut from the thing. Like, give him a call and tell him why you deserve to be in this film. And he's like, oh shit, I'm gonna call Ron Howard, right? And you say, I'm not gonna give Randall, Randy, can I call you Randy? No, can't. He's like, I'm not gonna give you any advice,

but if you're having a tough time, it's like, I guess the rest of us should just, what's the analogy? Yeah. Give up. Basically. Just give up, right? So there's something that you, you are able to give these brothers that allows them to move forward and make choices.

Randall goes and apologizes to his wife, right? Like, I know I can be a lot sometimes. I'm sorry, I need to let Deja go, right? Before that, let's go to Kate and, which I thought this was a really lovely scene, Kate and Beth's scene, where Kate winds admitting that like, you know, I was really close with my brother and sort of strong women are little,

intimidating to me, you know, take my mother for instance, and you've got your shit together, you've got this career, you're fostering a child. Like, I can barely take care of myself or whatnot. And so I'm just, it's hard for me to be in your presence. And then Beth is like, girl, you think I got it together. I just been waiting for a moment. I was like, I got to deal with like, oh, Randall over here.

Should we call? Should we do this, do that? Like, I'm trying to have a moment because if I allow my itself to go there. It hurts. Right. The absence of this young lady in my life hurts a lot. And I just wanted to have an opportunity to think about something else. He wouldn't give it to me. We see all this candy on the bed from being, you know, upset that she's had. And these two sisters have a really lovely moment. Right? Which like they start off talking about how they barely know each other or Kate mentions that. But to have like a moment of connection to building

a relationship with each other. It was a really lovely special moment. Then we finish with Beth and Randall sort of talking about how we need to let go. She's like, yeah, I need to do something. I can't remember the whole thing, you guys. But at the end of it, Deja comes. She comes to the house? No, they see her in her car. They're walking. They go, no, they're going home and Beth says, hey, can you make a turn here? Yeah, to go check on her. And they go to turn, they go to the place where she's supposed to be staying with Shana and see her sister walk down the hallway. Is Shana in here? No, she don't live here anymore.

So they wound up coming out of the house, going around the corner, and they see Dasia and her mom living in the car. Yeah. And that's where that episode ends. Right? Yeah. So you want to get to the fan segment? Yeah. All right.

That was full. That was a lot. Yeah. We'll be back with our favorite segment of the show, more that was us. after this break. Hot take. Hot take. Hot take.

Hot take. The three of us cannot harmonize. All right. It's time to stir the pot. Listen, we know this is us fans have a lot of feelings about the show and we love seeing the debates, the theories, and of course,

the hot takes that come out of it. So we combed through social media and our inbox. and you guys did not hold back. Some of these are spicy. Very spicy. Let's get into it. Agree, disagree, or somewhere in between.

Here are some of your hottest takes about This Is Us. Okay. So Carmela Gia says, I think Randall was probably born at least a day before he was brought to the hospital. Well, I guess so, yeah. And even Randall points out in one of the episodes, which would make him number one.

We were just talking about this. I made this hot take a couple of episodes ago. Did you really? And I felt the two of you bristle because I was getting in your family business. No, no, no, no, no. But it's true. I think the order in which he came to the family, he's number three. I think he's the oldest.

But he does refer to Kev as like big brother sometimes. That's right. Well? Which is, because, I don't know, he's bigger than me. I'm just going to say hot take. That's the source of all of their problems. All right, who's next? Go ahead.

In real life, Kate and Toby, never. That's how it's spelled if you're watching. never would have gotten divorced. They were made for each other and would have found the groove. This is interesting. So because we had an inkling. Like, you didn't know for sure whether or not the marriage was going to go in perpetuity, but we knew that we were seeing all these different walks of life.

And I remember talking to you, you were like, eventually somebody had to get divorced. Yeah. And you kind of figured that it was going to be you guys. Statistically, someone would. Yeah. Were you okay? In terms of how you felt as the storyline play out, were you happy? sad neither i mean it was i mean of course it's it's sad it's certainly it made it did make things

uh uh awkward for me and chrissey did it yeah it was like it was like a it felt weird like it felt yeah it felt you could feel the tension of the situation as an actor yeah happy for it challenging yes exciting emotional right ups and downs um but uh but yeah i guess i guess I guess that hot take falls apart in the first three words in real life. Let me do Cairo W. I'm reading through trees. If I mess up, let me know. Music choir teacher here. My hot take is on Kate's storyline about becoming a teacher, writing an international curriculum that should never happen in real life. music teachers are teachers and train just as hard and for just as long as any other teacher.

Philip was 100% correct that she was unqualified to teach. Okay. That is a hot take. It's hot. That's hot. You said it in the intro manny. Some of these are spicy. That one.

You know what Kara sounds like, Kira Kara, which are, please forgive me if I'm mispronouncing. Hot take. Two ways to say that name. The way that people will like, have you ever. watched something with friends of yours who are not in the business and they'll see like a show and then they'll be like, I can do that. Oh, yeah. That's basically what Kira is saying right now. You think you're just going to come in and do what I do? Yeah. I've trained for years to do this. Yeah, that's right. Props, understand that. In real life, I think you're absolutely right. That's right.

We appreciate you, Kira. Can we see some more hot takes? Please. Madison's character completely changed when she found out she was pregnant. She started off being this funny, quirky character, a bit of a hot mess. And all of a sudden, she turned normal, border borderline boring. I wish they kept her quirkiness throughout the show. That is a hot take. Good God, well, I will say, I understand what you mean, but I will also say that parenthood makes us all pretty boring. It does. I just, the victor all of like, she was actually cool. And then, borderline, which is what I'm going to be spending the rest of my life

telling my kids. But you know what? No. You made me borderline boring. I had a motorcycle. Your mother and I used to make love in exotic places. Now look at us. Covered in hummus. It's the thing that happens as you get older. You guys tell me how you clock this. The divide between your single friends and your married friends where your single friends are like, come on, let's go out to this place.

It's going to be really cool. You're like, no. I can't. The guy didn't care of these kids. But there also is a secret part of me that blames another kid's. but it's also like, that place is not going to be cool. And I'm glad I have this excuse. And you know what? It's 845. Good night.

Let me read this next one here because you have a better angle at the time. I have to read around the tree. All right, this is Sarah Jay. My hot take is that Jack would have never abandoned his brother Nikki after the Vietnam situation. And he wouldn't have lied to his mother or family about Nikki's death. The way Jack handled the entire Nikki's situation was so out of character. A hot day. Hot take.

Sarah Jay, first of all, you don't not come into this house and talk about Jack Pearson. All right, there's a hot take on your hot take. I think the thing about Jack Pearson is that he's like an onion. We're constantly finding out things about him. And I think he did keep things close to the vest. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? When she says that it's out of character, I've seen a number of enough incidents with Jack and Rebecca

where he decided to keep feelings or information to himself to say that I'm going to put push back on that one a little bit. Yeah, I'll push back on that too. Yeah, yeah, that's it. I'm not entirely sure that I agree with that. I think Jack is so beloved and understandably and necessarily so, that when we see him do things that feel like aren't loving or like in character

with somebody who we love, I think it makes us bristle. While we're all human beings and we all have all these different colors, and you just love them anyway. You know what I'm saying? I think that's what it is. That's my take. I've kind of scanned this next one. It's a hopeful one, but I don't see, I don't really see a hot take in it.

So I'll read it. I'll read it. And if there's no hot take, we will accept the comment and move on to the next one. I wish we could have seen more of Miguel and Rebecca's story and seeing them fall in love years later after Jack passed away. I obviously love that Jack and Rebecca's relationship is, it's so special and a part of the show. However, as the show went on, I came to appreciate Miguel and all he did for the Pearson's. I enjoyed seeing him take care of Rebecca

as she got older and the Alzheimer's took effect. I loved his episode in season six. Bravo. It made me cry. He became one of my favorites early on. I just wish we could have seen more of him and even more of Rebecca and Miguel's story. Stephanie's a Brit. Look at how she spells favorites.

Ah, yes. I mean, I don't know if that's such a crazy hot, I feel like I've heard that from people. I mean, I guess we saw some of it, but she would have liked to have seen more. The only hot take I see in there is her saying I became one of, he became one of my favorites early on. Yeah, that's a hot take. Get out of your hot takes. Well, I'll say this.

I don't know if we're going to see one, but like Miguel, some of the things that I responded to on Instagram, this was a brother who's like, I will never like Miguel. Yeah, that's right. Okay. Jack had a tendency to run away from his trauma's issues. Okay. his parents, his brother, et cetera. Each kid inherited that in their own way,

whether that be running or clinging desperately to save the relationship to avoid pain. That was the family addiction, not alcohol, weight issues like Kevin was trying to apply in the family therapy episode. Ooh, upside down, face. That was the family addiction. Run away from trauma.

Yes. This might not be as much a hot take as just a little bit of preaching going on. I kind of agree with that. I kind of agree with that. Because all of the, all of the, the, quote-unquote, addictions are not, addictions are not the problem. Yeah.

Addictions are attempted solutions. Sure. To a problem. Right, right, right. And the problem was this thing that they were all kind of equally running from in one way or another. She kind of just nailed the show. Yeah. Yeah.

I think also it is human nature to run from trauma issues. Yes. I think one of the reasons why we. have therapies to be able to face and deal in a healthy way with the traumas that are affecting and impacting you in your everyday life, right? I've had conversations with friends. And I take this for granted because as an actor, we tend to be a bit more introspective where a friend of mine said litter to me, he's like, why would I want to dig that stuff up? Yeah. That would be painful. I don't want to deal with that. That stuff is done. And meaning it and thinking that

it's actually done, done, right? Like most of us just want to put one foot in front of the other and sort of keep it moving. It's not about living necessarily your best life. It's like, this is the life I've got to live. Let me just keep living it. Right? It hurts to face shit. That's right.

You know? And so I think that is, is the show, is life. It's the reason why the horror genre is eternally popular. The metaphor of any horror movie is being chased by some kind of trauma, some horror, some demons, some devil, some killer. and you can run as much as you want. Eventually, you're going to have to face that shit. Come on, bro.

You got to turn and fight it. Amanda S. What? Hot take. There should have been a scene where we see Jack proposed to Rebecca. I disagree. I mean, why? Hot take on a hot take.

There's no proposal? No. With all the grand gestures that have transpired, we don't ever see like the actual. I feel like it's fine. There was enough. Hot take. Enough between them. that we witnessed throughout the course of the show.

Take that Amanda. Rebecca says, there you go. That's that. Let's see. Sal Marina Tratt says, I don't like the fact that Sophie ended up with Kevin because he finally got his shit together. She deserved better and it felt too predictable and easy.

Hot take. Okay, well, here's the secret. We didn't know if it was going to be with Sophie or not. She got a show going on in Canada. It all depends on Sophie's availability on her shoot schedule. Was Alex available? I've heard this before. I've heard like it would have been interesting to see him and Madison figure it out.

They actually have children together and a reason to sort of do it. The only thing I say to that is just because you had the kids necessarily, if you weren't in a relationship before that was loving and full. Yeah. I don't know if the kids are the reason to keep it going. Especially since Madison became so boring. Kevin just couldn't do that to himself He needed somebody not so boring Listen is it predictable

Is it whatever Sure maybe But sometimes so is like It is satisfying For me as a viewer Not as a person on the show As a viewer I wanted to see that union

That's right It made me feel good Yeah I like feeling good That's right I'm taking it Hot take Hot take

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We wanted to be there and we missed you. It's true. We learned that Justin is a Zen Buddhist. Yeah. And that he, some behind the scenes gossip, you guys were shooting an old Vegas. Yes. And someone was heckling Justin.

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