That Was Us - Parenthood Struggles | "Four Fathers" (603)

Episode Date: August 11, 2026

This week on That Was Us, we’re breaking down Season 6, Episode 3: "Four Fathers." As Kevin adjusts to co-parenting, Randall faces the reality that Deja is growing up, and Kate and Toby struggle to stay connected amidst long distance. The episode explores parenthood, changing family dynamics, and the memories that stay with us long after the moment has passed. In this episode, the hosts chat about: Their favorite TV shows they're currently watching Travel habits, airplane comfort, and life on the road Parenting chaos and the challenge of juggling family life Managing fame while trying to maintain a sense of normalcy Celebrating the Emmy nominations for Paradise They also break down the episode, including: - Jack losing Kevin during the family's first trip to the movies and creating a new memory with an at-home sundae night - Jack learning that his mother has died just as the day comes to an emotional close Randall teaching Deja to drive and accidentally hearing - Malik's revealing text over Bluetooth - Beth and Randall realizing Deja is growing up faster than they're ready for - Kate and Toby's growing tension as long distance begins taking its toll - - Toby's heartfelt proposal to buy a Green Egg smoker and create new family memories - Kevin struggling with co-parenting after missing Franny's first steps - Kevin turning to Cassidy as he wrestles with loneliness and finding his place A special fan segment featuring listeners sharing the moment they first realized their child wasn't a little kid anymore And a friendly reminder, you can catch new episodes of That Was Us every Monday, a day early, exclusively on Hulu. Available on Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts on Tuesdays like usual! That Was Us is produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Music by Taylor Goldsmith and Griffin Goldsmith. ------------------------- Support Our Sponsors: - See how K12 Powered Schools can help unlock your child’s full potential! Enroll online today at https://k12.com/thatwasus - Fatty15 is on a mission to support Healthy Aging for All, including all ages and stages of life. You can get an additional 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to https://fatty15.com/THATWASUS and using code THATWASUS at checkout. ------------------------- 🍋 About the Show: The stars of This Is Us, Mandy Moore, Sterling K. Brown, and Chris Sullivan, dive back into the world of the Pearsons, reliving each episode and all the life lessons that came with it. Together, they dig in and dig deep, have the tough conversations, bring in very special and familiar guests, share never-before-heard behind-the-scenes moments, and feature listeners in highly anticipated fan segments. Join your favorite family back in the living room to examine our past, cherish our present, and look to the future with new episodes of That Was Us every Tuesday. Executive Producers: Natalie Holysz and Rob Holysz Creative Producer: Sam Skelton Production Coordinator: Andrew Rowley Video Editor: Todd Hughlett Mix & Master: Jason Richards About Headgum: Headgum is an LA & NY-based podcast network creating premium podcasts with the funniest, most engaging voices in comedy to achieve one goal: Making our audience and ourselves laugh. Listen to our shows at https://www.headgum.com. » SUBSCRIBE to Headgum: https://www.youtube.com/c/HeadGum?sub_confirmation=1 » FOLLOW us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/headgum » FOLLOW us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/headgum/ » FOLLOW us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@headgum Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is a headgum podcast. Now, did you ever watch Widows Bay? Did you finish it? No, because I'm supposed to watch it with my wife. And this is what happens. We watched the pilot. We had a great time. And then schedules get what have you, da-da-da-da.

And so we're both waiting. Although I will say this. In that time, Ryan Michelle has watched heated rivalry three times. Again? She's watched it three times. She's ordered all the books, right? So she can take her time. She looks up fan fiction at night to read herself to sleep.

And now I'm going to tell you this, the other part, too, and I'll say this on camera. We've been knocking mad boots. Mad boots. You're like, keep reading it. Keep that shit coming. What's the next season? Like, if you just, you know what I'm saying? Like, if this is all it took, so watching these young men commit themselves to each other with that.

I was like, keep a good. All right, I guess we should save some of this stuff. We're rolling. Oh, we're rolling. Oh, we've been rolling. What? Oh, good. Keep it in.

On today's episode of That Was Us, we are diving into season six, episode three, four fathers. As Kevin adjusts to co-parenting, Randall faces the reality that Deja is growing up, and Kate and Toby struggle to stay connected amidst long distance. This episode explores parenthood changing family dynamics and the memories that stay with us long after the moment has passed. Hello. Hello, hello, hello. Hello. Hello.

We also Jack, too, had his own sort of thing going on because he's the fourth father in this episode. Right. Sort of dealing with the idea of being the workaholic dad, having to wake up and go to work before his kids are awake and then coming home after they've gone down to sleep. It's just sort of like, where do I fit in? I'm missing everything.

That feels like the overall theme is like, I'm missing. Tony and Kevin. Missing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. This is a good episode. Before we get into the episode, you guys good?

We're good. How are you? I'm good. I'm happy. I'm coming towards the end of paradise. How does that feel? It is, so I don't get too bittersweet until like the end end. Sure.

But I can film my castmates sort of feeling it now. We shot an episode the other day where like most of the main cast will probably not see each other again on set. Got it. And so there was a little mistiness there because I think it's special. I think it's not unlike this show that we're talking about right now. I think it's something that people will remember for a long time, for different reasons. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I think it leaves a pretty long-lasting impact. And it emphasizes like all Dan shows do. and I'm sure the land probably does in its own way, that even in this sort of post-apocalyptic world, the emphasis on the beauty of humanity and the way in which people come together in the midst of hardships, right? I feel like the world of football is very cutthroat,

but I feel like Dan will find his way into... Dan always does. You know what I'm saying? His heart just is the top line always. Yeah. That's exciting, though. It's very, very good. Congratulations.

Thank on another Emmy nomination. Thank you. Oh, gosh, yeah. We haven't seen each other. That's right. It's like it's my annual text to Sterling to say congratulations. Just put it in the calendar. I know, exactly.

Oh, it's Sterling's had me nomination today. 4.0. blank blank. Yeah, exactly. Fill in the blank. This is very, very sweet. Thank you. I feel very. It is kind of surreal.

I'm going to tell you guys, this is because I'm a producer on the show now, and it's been two years in a row that the show has been nominated myself, it's 14 nominations. That's so crazy. It blows my mind. It blows my mind because I remember acutely. what was like to have never been to it and to watch the show year after year and be like, I wonder what it must be like

to go to the Emmys, man. That would be cool, right? And to have been able to go like 10 or 11 years it's not so bad. Yeah. It's not so bad. Because it's been 10 years since we started This Is Us. Yeah. And you went before with OJ. Went before with OJ. It's, yeah, man, anyway. So that's cool. That's really cool.

And it's also cool because the show got not We got seven nominations. Amazing. Right? Which is up from four the year before. My girl Julianne Nicholson, nominate. Golly. Beast.

Yeah, beast. Like absolute beast. Shaline? Yep. Incredible. Shaline's going to win. I'm going to call us. Yeah.

I'm calling it. Right here. Guys, Shaline's got to win, right? Like what she did in her three episodes of television, because she's in the guest category, right? Was so beautiful. Such a beautiful. It's really dangerous. So memorable.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

So I'm just putting that out into the world, right? But we got four effects. We got, what else did we get? Michelin? The show. We got seven. I can't remember them all right now. But that's cool.

Casting. Casting. Sweet Josh. Josh. Josh, congratulations on the casting. Yeah, man. It's cool. It's very, very cool.

Yeah, I was like, I texted him. I was like, Josh. That's so rad. Yeah. So yeah, no, that's going well. Kids, Ryan and I just came back from Chicago. She's actually still there. A friend of mine turned 50, celebrated his birthday. It's very fun to take Ryan, Michelle, to a hotel.

This is what I mean by that. Get specific. Come on. If the hotel is not what she considers of a particular echelon, her ability to feel comfortable in that hotel is zero. Okay. Okay. I did not meet the Eshila. Wait.

Okay. Did you plan or did she plan? The buddy who planned. Listen, not that bad. It was actually nice. Okay. I liked it. But it was not.

How many stars? Four. It was four. Is it four out of five? How many are we talking? There's five. There's five star hotel? Yeah.

Then there's four stars. I would say three stars. And then motels. Stirling Kay Brown. Three five. Oh, three five. Sterling K. Brown. What?

Listen, I didn't plan it. I'm on a side with Brian here. Listen, I didn't plan it, though. My buddy had, like, all these activities planned. It was a room block? Yeah, and he's like, yeah, I got rooms at this one hotel that'll make it easy for everybody so we can go to the block. And I was like, I just want to be where all the people are. Sure.

Okay, I understand that. Sure. I understand that. But go ahead and speak on her behalf. I will speak on her behalf of, like, there are things that I work hard to spend money on. I understand. And I would say travel is one. Yes.

You guys are going to know. Here's another one. You like this. Can you imagine, though, the scuttle butt should you two have been two blocks down at the five-star hotel? Totally. While everybody's hanging out. Did you move hotels? No, we stayed in it.

We stayed in the hotel. What were the consequences of staying in that hotel? Not a lot of boot knocking. Like, it got diminished. It was dampened, right? Yeah. But we still had a good time. Here's even funnier part.

I was like, listen, I'd already gotten my ticket before she decided if she wanted to come or not because she had. had something that could have conflicted. So she got a ticket. And she's like, she got a first class ticket. Brown did not buy a first class ticket. We know this about you, yeah. Right. So we literally on the same flight, though?

On the same flight. You were in the back of the bus. She was on the same flight. I walked right by her. Right. I had to use the bathroom a couple of times. Boarding Zone 4. She was delightfully just like eating her food.

And I was like, I didn't get served any food. Well, yeah. I'm. It's so good. Dying. What I would, the- You didn't just do the upgrade? The shot I want to see is the shot of her and then just the camera moves over just a little bit and you're sitting in the bulkhead right behind her.

I was right behind her. Oh, you were? I was right behind. Oh my gosh. So you had economy, comfort. Yeah, I had-Cover Plus. Comfort Plus. Okay, fine, fine, fine, that's okay?

You weren't by the bathrooms. On the way home. You were by the bathroom. No. On the way home, I had the middle seat. I watched the World Cup finale. alley on the plane in the middle seat and I was so happy listen this is what I found out about myself the Chicago flight is about four hours yeah yeah four hours is no no I will agree with you that's fine yeah yeah if I if it was longer I might make a shift sure but yeah that was when I

travel all I need is for wherever we're going to be as comfortable or more comfortable than my home okay okay yes you're talking about a vacation yes yes yes Yes, yes, yes. Like, that's my baseline. Like, this bed better be as comfortable. Sure. Or more than my bed. Is that normally the case?

Yes, I mean, if it doesn't take one. I mean, it's not like, it's not like. You sleep on a futon at all. Yeah. I just, I just mean, like, as far as the level of. This is, but yes, my husband would probably side more with you, Sterling, where he's just like, it's fine. I'm just trying to bring money home. And I'm like, no, no, no.

I'm like, I, I'm not. But I do like to travel well. I feel you. Yeah. I get that. I like to be comfortable, especially when you factor in the children aspect. I'm like, I need this to be as easy and streamlined as possible because otherwise it's going to be a. Brown is still, I still use the lounges.

Like you don't have to have a first class ticket if you have the Amex. You can get into the Delta Lounge. Sure, sure. I go into the lounge and this lounge in ORD you could board from the lounge, right? Wow. Which was very, very cool. So, like, it wasn't like super, you know, I wasn't slum, slum, slum on it. Because Brown has also learned, too.

Like, guys, I don't know. Tell me if there's a different experience. And then we'll get into the episode. But like, it's getting a little bit tougher to be out amongst the people. Yeah, that's, that was my thing. You've been feeling this problem. No, no, no, no. For you.

For you? For you? You are Sterling K. Brown. Oh, stop. Like you, you're, no, no, no, but you are out in the world. I am. And, you know, there is just a level of, like, self-preservation. Sure.

That, you know, you just need to get through the world and do your thing that, like, people are lovely by all means. But, like, yeah, I think sometimes it's, I would imagine it's a little harder for you to be out and about in the world. It's interesting. So. Chicago was so lovely, which is really cool. Because what would happen is, and this is what I do now. I'm a moving target. It's hard to hit a moving target.

I walk with purpose. I'm going from this place to that place. I smile. I do the thing. And I walk behind people go, and I just go, hey. And then I just keep going. Yeah, keep going. Do it that way.

And I've gotten even more comfortable and people are been generous. They'd be like, Karen, yo, man, let me grab this picture. I said, you know what, man, not right now. I'm in the middle of something. But God bless you and I appreciate you. And they'd be like right on, brother. And I just kind of keep it moving. Yeah, yeah.

Like, because I'm now reserving, most of the time pictures are for events where, like, I know I'm doing publicity or something like that, and there are people there who are gathered for that specific purpose. And I'm like, yeah, let me take this time. Because usually I'm life is life and I'm going to meet with somebody or coming back home to be with my kids, et cetera, et cetera. And the time, it's hard to get back. And what will happen is if I start to resent that, I don't want to isolate myself from people.

No. Like, I like being around people, right? I like acknowledging their presence. And I think I can do it without the picture all the time. Yeah. So I love that idea. Let's catch up. Saul, you're about to start a new gig?

I mean, yeah, I feel, I've been floating lately. Like, I'm, the summer. Floating is good? Yeah, yeah. I'm with you. I just feel like kind of disconnected. Yeah, it's hot and sticky. And the kids are doing their thing. It is very groundhog.

The summer is not my season. Yeah. It's just like I miss the routine. Your kids are too young for camps right now. No, they're camping. No, they're in camp. They're doing it. They're doing it.

But there's something about like they're not being the, like, the routine of the school year. I love both of you guys in yellow, like. Everything just feels a little like. Yeah, why are we in yellow? It feels like lazy and hot and sticky and. And the trips. The trips we've taken, we've gone on trips, but we've gone to see friends and family because the summertime is our time to do that.

And they're still at an age where traveling with them every time is a new kind of nightmare. Yeah. In the best way, don't get me wrong. Have it kids. It's great. But like travel, like they're, they just get out of their minds. And they're like, she's three and she is an agent of Kate, like a literal. agent of chaos.

She seems like the calm one. She would, wouldn't she? Sully? She would, wouldn't she? Sully, I'm living, we're living the same life right now. I was watching this episode and I was like, who, there's a, I, yeah. She can't be controlled. She cannot be quarantined.

She cannot be, she cannot be boundyed. Really? She casts about nothing, Lovowski. She is a nihilist. There's nothing like, hey, if you don't, okay, I've asked you three times nicely to stop that. Now, if you don't stop that, I'm going to take away... You don't care about anything. Totally.

You care about nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. I'm like, I'm taking your monster trucks away. There's like no reaction. And I'll be like, then you're not going to, then there's no treats. And she goes, yes, there are. Then, no, I'm saying, I'm saying, bears can have ice cream and you're not going to have ice cream. I'm going to have ice cream. Like, she does not care. And she's the sweetest and the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

And I look at her, I'm just like, you're an insane person. You are a psychopath. And she knows that she's got it all under control. And she has the scream of a banshee that she knows, like, if we're in an airport and all of a sudden she wants it. I'm like, no, no, no. Don't, don't. She'll, and just like let it rip. And I'm like, okay, here we go.

Here we go. Yeah, we have. We have a good time. We have the same thing. Taylor's been, Taylor will be gone for five weeks. Okay. He's been gone for almost two.

Jimmy Christmas. And I have an incredible mother-in-law. Yes. We have a wonderful nanny. Okay, okay. But it's just me on the weekend. I feel you. And regardless, it's still like mom is mom, is mom, is mom.

And so I feel very overstimulated right now. I just have been pulled in all the ways. Rachel's the same. Three different angles. Mom. Mom, mom, mom. It's only mom. Even when dad's home, by the way. But we have the same thing with, because Ifa and Ozzy are the same age, it is like I watch a storm roll in very quickly. And he goes from being the tender, squishy guy to like a full on fucking crazy person. You try everything you can't and head it off. You're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And it is like there's nothing that can be done. And I, I, I, we tricked, we tricked our. yourself into thinking like, oh, it's, it's not going to happen to him. Like, it happened to Gus,

but it was pretty short-lived, but it's Ozzy's so sweet and he's just the cutest guy. Like, it's not going to happen. And it is happening and it makes me want to throw myself against the wall. Like, I don't, I am so untethered by it, by his being untethered. It is, oh my God. We're going to have a chat with us on parenting, but I'm curious right now. Watching this episode Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, my gosh. Same, same. So wait, real quick, the repercussions for you guys right now is the removal of privileges or toys, et cetera, et cetera.

Is there like a naughty place sort of thing or anything like that? No. I've even pulled out, I'm calling Santa. Yeah. In July, by the way, in July. He's like, what? I was like Santa. Santa.

And he's like. Mapa Claus. Yeah. He's like, and I was like, no presents. I was like, maybe no birthday presents. either. His birthday's in October. Nothing, he doesn't care. But here's the thing, though. Are you willing to follow through?

Yeah. You are. Like, are you willing to just be like the birthday will have nothing? Because I feel like if they get that experience, it may be the thing that's like, oh, she won't effing around. Yeah, I mean, we have had that experience with like sweets. It's like, oh, you don't get a popsicle after dinner. Right. Gus is having one.

Lou is even having one. You don't get one because you didn't eat. dinner, dude, and I've asked you five times just to try a bite of the salmon. Yeah. And you're not doing it, so I'm sorry. So, yeah. And so we follow through with that. But the presence feels harder because their concept of time is.

Yes. Yeah, yeah. So remember three and a half months ago? It has. You remember three and a half months ago when I told you that if you don't come down? No Halloween candy? No Halloween candy. Well, guess what?

It's Halloween. Yeah. I feel like the immediacy is important. For sure. For sure. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I was telling a family.

friend. I'm like, I will never. Have you seen Seth Myers recent standup about just his recent standup? Yeah. He goes, he has a joke that's perfect. He goes, I will never hit my kids. I will take off a sweater at light speed. And it's just like the perfect like representation of like a frustrated dad just like the sweater like pulling their nose up and like. And I said to a family friend, I'm like, I will never hit my kids, but I understand. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I now look back at like corporal punishment.

I'm like, oh, okay. I told you. I told you, Ryan, I was like, knew he'll get to hit him at all? Yeah. Yeah. That's what I say to Rachel. I'm like, I swear if you hit him, if you hit him once, this will all be over. Give him a little shake.

It's like, it's just never going to happen. It is like, it is a practice in patience that I always considered myself to be a fairly patient person until I became a parent. Yeah. Truly, I was like, oh, I have zero patients. Kids will test it in a way that nobody else got. Like, they push all the buttons all at once, and I have to remember sometimes to breathe. It is important to just when I do get frustrated and like, oh, it's just the taking of accountability.

Yeah. Of, like, recognizing, like, hey, it's okay to get frustrated. It wasn't okay for mom to lose her patience and, like, get, and yell. Right, right, right, right. Because that happens sometimes. Understood. And I'm not proud of it. Understood.

And I'm like, if I can own it and apologize and tell them that that's not okay, because I don't want to model that. Absolutely. Well done, Mel. Well done. I'm trying, but it's hard. It's hard. More that was us after these words from our sponsors. Let's dive in.

Let's start with the Jack one because I feel like the Toby and the Kev one, those sort of like dovetail into each other. I'll say that our dear friend John Wirtes directed this episode. Yes, he did. And I very much remember working with him on this episode. What do you remember in particular? I just like, I remember John's sweet notes. I remember like the, like, filming of me coming to pick up Kevin at the mall after he got lost or whatever. And we were, like, shooting in some little office or something.

And he's just like, he and Justin are sort of similar in the way that they direct in terms of like, pretty like they're super organized it's very streamlined and they just like come in with like a great little like just like quip or something like a question that they ask and you're like oh wow oh that's a new way of looking at things like he's he's just yeah lovely it's always a lovely set the crew all loved working with john totally he just brings good vibes from him oh we do what's up Chris, Mandy, Sterling, John here, director, Four Fathers' Episode. I'm going to ask you guys something. Do you guys think that Dan Fulgerman took a look at the schedule,

saw an episode called Four Fathers, and said, hey, let's give this one to John. He didn't grow up with a dad. He never met his father, in fact. So this could be either deeply cathartic for him or cost him a fortune in therapy. It did. But real talk.

As a guy directing an episode, that soaked in dad guilt and fatherhood. I will say that it kind of hit a nerve that I really wasn't fully ready for. Guiding iconic TV dads through moments that you never got to live yourself. I don't know about you guys, but there was actually quite a few moments for me over the seasons working on that show. Anyways, I'm not crying. You're crying. But as Chris famously said once, the show often balanced all that weight with some pure comedy gold, like teaching Daja how to drive while a sex text from Malik gets read out loud over the car's

Bluetooth, I could not wait to shoot that scene and see how Sterling reacted. And Sterling's face in that moment was pure joy for me. Well, Sterling's face has always pure joy. But in that moment, it was just extra. On the other side of it, this episode actually set heavy on me for a different reason. The beginning of the end for Toby and Kate, that slow motion heartbreak coming straight at you, especially with that green smoker sitting there like a ticking clock. But full disclosure, though, the heartbreak was gone once I found that I could keep that

motherfucking green egg. That's right. Silver linings, folks. Silver linings. I smoke the shit. I have some wings now. But I think my favorite part of the episode was that dream sequence between Justin and Milo, when they actually got the share a scene, which was very rare for the show.

Jack creeping his way into Kevin's mind to help him through that multiple baby chaos he was going through. I loved how we shot it and that thing lives on my reel for show. And look, I want to say this just straight, no jokes. Getting to step behind the camera and direct the three of you, the rest of the cast, people I love on a show that changed how I think about family was one of the great honors of my career. Dan, Ken, Isaac, and Elizabeth trusting me with an episode like this

with these characters, with you guys, meant the world to me, and it still does. Anyway, I loved every second in directing forefathers. I miss you guys. I love the podcast. And if anyone ever needs brisket advice or a survival guide, the Fogerman's psychological storytelling traps,

you know where to find me. Talk soon. Peace. This dude. I love John Wirtas so much. We had lunch last week. John and I are producing a narrative podcast together.

Okay. Now, yeah, something called the McGuire incident. Yeah. Stay tuned. Have more news about that. But he was telling me that he smokes on that thing all the time, the green egg. He brought that home. Yeah, that was his souvenir from the show.

Dude, he's not eloquent at all. Yeah, it's a shame. It's a shame. That he just, like, he's so uninteresting. Yeah. As a human being. He's terrible. Probably best that he gets off screen.

Totally. Yeah. Goes behind the camera. That makes sense. Well, I guess like you could either start with the smoker and Jack Damon or you could start because that book is, I always start with Jack and Rebecca. Jack and Rebecca. I mean, it's really Jack, you're right. Jack and Rebecca, too, because this will dovetail into an interesting story.

Maybe I've shared this on the podcast already, but Jack is just sort of feeling like he's being left out, missing things. He's been working all the time. He's missing the mornings. Yeah, it's like he leaves before breakfast, his home after the kids are down already. He comes up with an idea, you know, to spend the weekend with him. And Rebecca sort of said, like, maybe you could take a Saturday or something. He's like, he's already there. He's going to take him to the movies.

They're going to have popcorn. It's going to be a great time. And she's like, I'm not interested in the least bit. Have fun. Yeah. They go to the flicks. He's getting the popcorn. He's getting the, what's he put?

Is it raisinets or is it? What's he put in there? Into the popcorn. Which I have to, do you guys have a go-to popcorn formula? No, not like this. I've heard of people pouring candy in there. Yeah, I think people do like an M&M. They do.

I've never done it either. Reesies, pieces. I like, I do love a good gourmet mix between like cheese, caramel and butter. Yeah, some garrets. Really? Sister. Let's speak of Chicago. Let's have some garrets.

Dude, I can, and I will, I'll OD on that. No, I will OD on that. It's so good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's at the airport. Yeah. It's everywhere.

It's everywhere. Give it to me. So that's their go-to. They're getting together. And as I was listening to the movie, I was like, is this an American tale? Yeah, it was an American tale. Because I saw it in the credits at the end of the video. I used to love an American.

Me too. Oh, my God. And Bible goes west. Yeah, it's one of the first ones that I can remember going to see in the theater. So, you know, we have that in common. After a certain period of time, does Dad get up to go to the bathroom? Oh, no, he falls asleep. He falls asleep and Kevin sneaks out.

Kevin's like this movie's lame. Right? And so Dad, Dad, wakes up. He's like, huh, huh, well, he's like, where's Kev? Right? Kev's not there. He's like, he said like, where's Kev? He's like, he left. Yeah, we got to go. Yeah, we had to get out of here and go find your brother. So they run around to the thing. Before we get to this last part, I've lost my child one time. I hope you guys, you already had it. Yeah, already have lost him once.

Hope you never have this thing. No, no, no, no. Amanda Lee, we were in Australia. We were on the beach. I was shooting Volt. We went to go by a soccer ball. And so Amari was playing with the soccer ball, and he was kicking the ball up ahead of me. I said, okay, when you stop when you get to this point on the beach, right? Because that's where the hotel is. He's like, got it.

And I walk, Ryan and Andrew walk very slow. So they're in their own little thing. I'm walking, I'm keeping up with Amari, but he's kicking the ball and running, kicking the ball. So I'm like, all right, I'll walk briskly. I'll catch up to him in a second. He's probably a few minutes ahead of me. On the beach, there's a police barricade saying you cannot go beyond this point.

Something had happened where they were locking the beach off. So you have to go off the beach onto the walkway that's parallel with the beach. You know what I'm saying? So I get off the walkway, come up there, and I wait there. I'm thinking like a Mario will be there. He's not there, right? So then I go wait outside of our hotel. I'm like, all right, eventually he'll wait there and I'll be here so he has a familiar face he can see.

I sit there for about 45 minutes. Oh. At what point in the 45 minutes did you start to turn? Well, I just like, if I leave, then maybe he won't find me. Right. So I was like, let me be in a fixed point. Sure. So I get a text from Ryan a little bit later on saying like, we're in the hotel room.

Where are you? Where are you? I was like, oh, I was waiting downstairs. She's like, well, come on up. I was like, Ryan must have found him. I get up there, so I go upstairs, and it's just Ryan and Andrew. Oh, my God. And I said, is Amari here?

And she goes, I thought he was with you. And I said, all right. I said, I'm going to go down. And she's like, he's not with you. So like, there's the argument that's about to ensue. I was like, I don't have time for the argument. I'm going to go down and I'll find him, right? So it's dark now.

I'm running up and down the beach. Running. Amari! Amari! I would run about a mile in either direction. in either direction. North South, right? I said, have you seen, I'm in Australia?

I said, excuse me, you seen a little black boy? Yeah. There's not many of them, you know what I'm saying? And they're like, no, sorry. About an hour later, we found him. He kind of, somebody escorted him back to the hotel. Turns out that this young boy, instead of doing what the police said and going, leaving the beach, he went up around the police and back down onto the beach and wound up walking past where the hotel was.

where the hotel was, not realizing where he was, right? Yeah. Was he okay? Was he scared? He was totally fine. But like, he said, I'm gonna stay close to the beach. Like his pants were wet. Like, like, the tide had shifted. You know what I'm saying?

Like, it was all sort of this thing. And Rye was mad at me. And I was like, I get it. You gotta be mad at somebody. But I didn't really do. You know what I'm saying? Like it was just like this weird thing that happened. But you want to talk about?

And I don't know, you want to share your story in a second. Yeah, yeah. There is nothing. Nothing worse than thinking like, I'm in another country! Yeah, this is a long ways away. So anyway, when Jack woke up from that had nap in the movie theater, I was like, he got to go. He left.

First of all, if Bear ever tried to walk out, Eiffa wouldn't let him get six feet without sounding the alarm that Bear was doing something he wasn't supposed to do. Yeah. The fact of the two siblings, we're just like, all right, well. Bye. We're going to watch our movie. Yeah. No, Bear, it was at Legoland, a year ago for his fifth birthday. And he and Rachel went to the merry-go-round or whatever, and his aunt and his cousin went to this other ride.

And halfway as they were going, Bear changed his mind and said, no, I want to go to the other ride. And he said, okay, go ahead. And I'm sitting over here and eventually the two come back without Bear. Oh, geez. And he had gotten distracted. And he was gone. He was gone for about 45 minutes. And we alerted the park, whatever, and they, of course, have all their eyes and ears.

And this five-year-old had couldn't see anybody. I was sitting right. I was sitting 20 feet away, you know, but he just didn't see him. Retraced his steps from the entire day. It was three o'clock. We had been through the whole park. We were about to be done. He walked back through the whole park by himself, passed all, all, retraced his steps back to the front gate.

Did he really? Yeah. And it was just like just looking around and when we found him he was like thrilled for the adventure he had been on which is the worst reaction. Yeah, yeah, you're like, no, I need you be a little scared.

I need you be a little scared like me. But he was like, he was like and for the entire year when people asked what he did for his birthday. So I went to Lego land. Oh yeah, what's your favorite part? I got lost. And he loved it.

And he's like, and he's like, dad, nobody even noticed me. And I'm like, yeah, that's the terrifying part, bud. Yeah.

There's this little boy walking around. And he goes, I did get a little thirsty. It was hot. And he was like, I didn't have any water or anything. I'm like, yeah. Yeah, that's what we're there for, bud.

If he had just asked any, you know, worker or, and he knows what to do. We're like, either find someone in uniform or find a mom. Right. There you go. Yeah. I was like, it's like, do not ask a man.

Yeah. Like, to be like, what do I do? A mom will always know. Yeah, a mom. A mom will get you back to your mom. A lot of dads will help, but like, I'm not the boss. Of course. Trust the mom.

Just find a mom. If you're at Legoland, everyone's a mom. Dude, this sounds amazing, though, that he wasn't scared. No. That he could find his way back. to the front. Like, his sense of direction. Yeah, it was nuts.

It's kind of amazing. And his sense of adventure, like, you're not going to have to worry about him. No, these, and this is the interesting part, a friend of mine has said, like, especially when we go on these trips and these kids are, you know, causing a ruckus or freaking, like, all of these things that are a problem now

are going to serve them. Totally. Very well. Totally. A decade from now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. It's a good thing to keep in mind.

I can't wait. I hope you don't ever. I hope I don't. I hope I don't. It happens. Oh my gosh. No, I know. I know, I know.

There's three of them. It happens. It happens. It happens. So closing that one up, right? He works around. Turns out like the mall security found him. In the food court.

In the food court. Called his mom because Rebecca wrote their phone number. Yeah. On the tongue of his shoe. Like moms do. As moms do. I mean, I guess that's the thing. I mean, listen, I try to mark all my kids material with like, you know, A.

Brown, because that's all. I try to make it simple. It's A. Brown. Andrew, or whatever it is, and then give you a phone number, something like that. Now, after the Legoland thing, they make them. It's a popular thing. We get temporary tattoos.

Whenever we go anywhere with big crowds, it just... You know, like the kind of kids use with little water. Yeah. Yeah. With the phone number? Right on their forum with mom, dad, phone numbers. Oh. I like that.

Because it's like, if he's going to be adventurous. Yeah. At least he'll be safe. We need to be precautionous. Wow. So they go home. Jack's feeling terrible. They're supposed to have this memory of going to the movies for the first time.

And all Kev's going to remember is getting lost and being like abandoned by his dad. And mom comes through. Mom, what did you say? Well, she basically says he's fine. You have to forgive yourself. You know, I was having this crazy moment with the kids the other day. Like Kate had to pee. It was just like everybody was in full chaos mode.

And then a ladybug landed on the dashboard. And, you know, Randall talked about how ladybugs have two sets of wings. And Kate named it Linda the ladybug. And anyway, all of the chaos of the park day was pushed aside. And now the kids were just going to remember this day for this adorable ladybug that landed on the dashboard or whatever. And that was all to say, like, until a day is done, you're always going to have an. opportunity to make it something else. You're going to have a chance to, what does she say?

There's always a chance that you will remember it for something else. There you go. So Jack decides to take this idea and do an ice cream Sunday bar with the kids. Yeah. So they all make an ice cream sundae together in the kitchen and it's like a sweet montage moment. I feel like something got cut because I felt like they were going to sit on the cushions on the floor and watch TV and watch something.

But Mario was watching with me. He's like, how come we never. squirt whipped cream into each other's mouths. I was like, I think that was an 80s thing. I don't know, but maybe. We did that when I was a kid, for sure. Did you? Yeah, that's what I had now.

You do know? No, it's okay. Like, I think I have to go get some. I think I got to go get some because he saw it and he was like, that seems like fun. It is fun. Yeah. And if you tilt it the other way and take a little bit, you know, it's called I whip it. Yeah.

We can talk about that when you're older. There you go. So she gives him, like, look, man, you were able to turn it around. Now the kids are going to remember it for this beautiful thing. He's feeling pretty good about himself. The day was saved, what have you. He gets a phone call. And Jack's sitting there listening on the phone.

He's like, okay. Good listening phone acting from Milo Ventimilia. Great, great. And it turns out, he's like, my mom. My mom's gone, right? Yeah, my mom died and the episode kind of ends. And the episode ends. And you talk about remembering a day for something, right?

Yeah. Jiminy, Jiminy. Well, great. We'll get into that episode later because that one touches Brown in a very particular way, given where we are right now. Same. But let's go. I feel like I'm going to knock this one out real quick because I like the two brothers, the brother-in-law, et cetera.

About to go take my daughter driving. Yeah. Randall's going to teach Deja how to drive. Teach her how to drive. He's excited because it's sort of like an opportunity for one-on-one sort of connection. We haven't had an opportunity to do that lately. He's being very silly with his wife. He's got his driving sunglasses, et cetera,

Bada bing, bada boom. They go out to the car, he starts off driving, they get ready to switch, do a little fist bump, bam, it's exciting. She doesn't want to listen to old man music. So she's like, I want to pair my phone to the things. Like, do what you got to do. I'm hurt a little bit.

I don't feel like I'm that old, especially because I wouldn't even 50. I don't know what you're talking about. But now you could say that and I'd be like, all right, I get it. We're driving. Seems like she's doing pretty well. She seems fairly comfortable. Like, and I got to say, I've let my

15-year-old drive a couple of times, harrowing. Does he have a permit? No, it's illegal. It's illegal. Is there still a thing? He will be able to apply for the permit at 15 and a half. Got it. That's still a thing.

Oh, you have to be 15 and a half? I think so. Oh, wow. I think technically it should be 15 and a half. Which means you can drive with an adult in the car. With an adult in the car. Got it. Yeah.

Harrowing. Oh, he's terrible. Like, they have to watch. Like, their awareness of the size of the vehicle, they want to lean more to the left because they can see that. that or they don't want to leave it away from the left because they don't want oncoming cars. So they're like this close to just scraping

every fucking car on the side. And I'm like, bro, you're too close. He's like, what are you talking about? I'm fine, I'm fine. And I have to take the wheel sometimes and be like this. And he's like, what do you do it? You hate it when mom does that.

I was like, mom has never touched the wheel. Like mom will side seat drive a little bit, but mom's not because she knows we're gonna make it home. I don't have that same level of confidence. Did you guys go to driving school? No, my dad taught me. I did. My mom talking to school.

Oh, you did? Yeah. Ryan went to driving school. Yeah. It's not required? It wasn't required in the state of Missouri, and I'm sure it's not in Florida. Why did I go? Because you're in California.

It must have been required. You're California. I was with an insane person. Were you? Yeah, oh, yeah. What was insane about them? Well, first of all, the car is special. The car has a brake pedal and a steering wheel on both sides.

Yeah. In case they need to take control of the vehicle. Gotcha. Gotcha. Second, this man, it was Me and him, alone in the car, for like four hours. Okay. And we were running errands.

Stop it. We went to the goddamn Home Depot. He bought a rake. What's legal? This is, what do I know, though? You're like, he's like, but I did learn how to park in a parking lot. Okay. And then back out.

And then we drove to Folsom Prison. Come on, sorry. Why? Because you got to drive somewhere. To see Johnny Cash. Got to drive somewhere. I live near Folsom. It wasn't too far.

But I was like, he's like, you got to drive around somewhere for four hours. Might as well see the sights. It's an open lot. Is that the idea? We drove there. There it was. We left. But we drove through, we drove on like a two-lane country road.

So it was a different road or whatever. And then no joke. The coup de grace is we're driving through this neighborhood. And this guy goes, oh, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on. Stop, stop. He rolls down his window and we're in front of a front yard with like a chain link fence and there's a dog barking at us. And this man starts barking back at the dog.

Out the window. Oh, ho! Barking! That's a good bark. I'm 15. What? I'm alone with this man. My parents are just like...

know the dog? Off you go. No. He didn't know the dog. He just thought it was funny. You know what? You got to find a way to make it. I still stuff on him running errands at Home Depot.

Like, what the? Hey, I got this kid driving me around. Might as well get some shit done. Fill the time, man. I can see myself doing like the exact same. And now, if I was in his position, 100%. I'm like, you want to get a coffee?

Let's get a coffee. All right. First coffee. Yeah. You know that. Yeah. Then I have to make these Amazon returns. Oh my gosh.

That's really funny. Wow. I kind of wish I had done driving school now. Don Moore and our red Aero Star van. Nice. There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had friends of ours who moved from Louisiana.

You could drive at 14 in Louisiana. So then when they got to be freshmen, they were already driving to school or whatnot. And, like, this is the coolest thing was to, like, ride with your buddies who could drive at 14 or whatnot. They were good. I can I tell you guys? I recently just drove through the Midwest for our vacation to see Rachel's family. Yeah. Very conscientious drivers.

Everyone driving five miles below the speed limit drove me crazy. Nuts. Get out of the way. Yes. Recently working in Louisiana. Slow? Mad Max. Oh, faster.

End of the world. These highways are a nightmare. Really? Never in my life. I've been like, what the is happening? People, like, and I like to drive fast. I like to get in, get going. Yes, sir.

could not believe the highway situation. Wow. Do you want to hear, this is the most boring but strange fact about Louisiana drivers, at least in Baton Rouge, 90% of the drivers in Baton Rouge back into a parking spot. I love to back into a parking spot. Why? That's fine.

But 90%. The population backs into parking spots. Why? I don't know. But I need to know. So they can leave quickly. Friends of the pod, if you're listening from Baton Rouge, please tell us why. I started noticing it.

And then I'm like, oh, this is a thing here. Why is this a thing here? So, yeah, I need to know if anyone knows. I guess it's just like a matter of convenience. Don't you like, but at work, if you're on location and you're parking at base camp. Yeah. Don't you normally back in to like where the trailer is? Sure.

Or either transport will sometimes even turn your car around. Yeah, yeah. I will also say it takes a certain level of driver to back in correctly. Yeah. To a park. It's hard. It's not easy. Right.

Right. Even with all the cameras and the things and the blah, blah, blah. It was immaculate. It was like they're all professional backers in. That's really impressive. No, no, no. Anyways. I agree.

Dumb fact. Interesting, interesting observation. Very interesting observation. More that was us after this short break. They're driving along and she's connected her phone to the car. And she gets a voice text to whatever. Yeah. It starts announcing texts.

From Malik. From Malik. It's pretty funny. And it's like, you know, I miss you. The bed is empty without you. The bed is empty without you. I keep imagining you or something. You know what I'm saying?

He might as well be saying, like, man, the boots was so nice that we knocked last week. Yeah. And the face that you pull. is one of the best faces in the series. Bless you. Listen, here's the thing. It's full of shock, total, and awe. Yeah.

And anger. Yeah. And discomfort. And confusion and like trying to deduce. When did this happen? What happened exactly? I get so connected to these girls. I've had nothing but girls on this show, on This Is Us.

And then I have a daughter and a son on Browell. paradise. I get connected to all these children, but these girls in particular because I have like boys at home. And then I'm like, there's no separation for me. Like it's like, sure. Have you actually gone and done this? You know what I'm saying? Like, how dare you? It is like, I'm clutching my pearls and stuff. And it makes me think like, what kind of dad would I be for a girl? because I have a sense of what I do. So Andrew's 15 hasn't started like all of the things,

but I think there's been a couple of things, if I may be so what I'm having. If I may talk about it on the podcast. A couple of things. Sure, a 15-year-old boy, I'm sure there's some handholding. A couple of things. Maybe a smooch. A couple of things, right?

And like, I try to create an environment where he feels comfortable sharing. It's important to me, not just for that sake, but because it's something I missed out for what John was saying, something that I missed out with my dad. Sure. Right? I can remember my father when I was five years old.

I think this is not a curse word, but it's going to sound sort of risque. My Aunt Billy had a plant called a pussy willow. Like the little furry thing. Don't do that with your hands. Sorry. And I remember I said, Aunt Billy. I said, what's the name of this plant? She said, oh, Kelp, that's a flower.

pussy well-o. I'm five. Yeah. I said, like that. And my dad leans over and he goes, one day you won't think it's so bad. I go, Dad! And he was right. And he was sorry. He was right. I'd say Sterling Brown, you were, you hit the nail on the head, Jack.

I'm not mad at it at all. But just those opportunities to converse and share or whatnot, like I would have been like, oh, dad could have given me this point, that point, but I don't know if that exists between father and daughter, right? Like, it's probably, my question is, did you guys talk to your parents about sex at all?

No. Definitely not my dad. Not definitely not your dad. But you were able to talk to your moms? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I would still say that I got more information from friends.

Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Specifics from my mother. But, yes, I was able to talk to her about it. Wait, does don't do it count as talking about it? Yeah, I think that counts. All right. As parental.

That was, so Arlene Brown had this real interesting take because she was, fornication is a sin, right? But when you do do it, make sure you're not just like pumping and whatnot. You got to, you got to caress a woman. You got to touch other parts on her body and not just be shoving people. And I'll be like, all right, do you want me to do it or not? Yeah, I'm getting mixed messages here, Mom. What are you telling me here, Arlene?

Don't do it, but. practice? Do you not want to? If you do it. Because I'm confused, but you just got it straight up. Yeah. Stop. Yeah, yeah. Just don't do it. Don't engage.

Yeah. Not helpful at all. Yeah. So we get the information. She's probably mortified. She's absolutely mortified. This wasn't supposed to come out like this. Next thing you know, Beth and Randall are both taking turns, getting upset.

Equal parts, like, livid. This comedy duo is so funny. Yeah. It's so good. I love that Beth is like, okay, we got to figure out, like, who's going to lose it and who's going to keep their cool. I was like, you guys were both hotter than hot. I loved it. We should lock her away forever.

Just like, yeah, the back and forth was so, I'm already pacing. Oh, yeah, your thing where you're like, phone obviously gone. Food, maybe. Like, it was just the laundry list of, like, she's never seen Malik again. You guys were, oh. We had so good. We had fun. That's my girl.

The blood was boiling. I love her to the moon and back. Susan Coletteche Watson. So funny. We have another scene later on after Sue goes to see Dajia, and she's laid up in her bed or whatnot. And I don't know if the scene was truncated or whatnot, but it seems as if later on there was information that was passed along that she's now sharing with her husband being like,

we were treating this like a little girl. She's out here playing a game of life. Yeah. And we have to sort of catch up. Yeah. Addressed. Allowing, and I think that that is something that I feel. when I go home, this idea that like,

there's almost this sort of arrested, like you're forever 18. Sometimes when I go home, I don't know how it is for you guys or whatnot, but like do people allow you to grow up or do they continue to see you as like, oh, I remember when you did da, da, da, da, da. Oh, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? And it's like, okay, and I tell myself that now, I'm like, all right, Andrew's 15 now. You can remember when he used to slobber on your nose and crawl over your belly. He has no idea. Yeah. You got to deal with what.

what's in front of you right here. So that's what the message that Beth gives to Randall, he goes up to his daughter's bedroom and he's like, look, I'm used to this little girl who came into my house four years ago, who had everything that she had in a little bag underneath her arm. And I already missed like the first 12 years. And so I've been trying to make up for lost time, so please forgive me if it takes me a little time to catch up

because you're a young lady. And even lyric would be like, I'd be like, hey, little girl, She's like, I'm not a little girl. And I'd be like, hi, young lady. And she's saying, thank you. But it was like sort of imitating itself off camera and on camera. And she goes, listen, you got to grow up. You got to do these things.

But you're not going to go see your boyfriend for a very long time. Right. And she said, and it sounded like a grown-ass, Ifa, just was like, well, that's going to be a problem. That's going to be a problem. Yeah. And when she said it, bro, I. As an actor, I was like, who? What?

Yeah. Can you do that? She was just like, no. Yeah. Sorry. How about no? Listen, because being raised in the 80s with black fans, I was like, I don't have a belt to take off.

This is what I'm supposed to take off a belt and do something. I was like, oh, Dan wrote this show. I can't do it. Yeah, but she's, yeah. And it was ice cold. Like, it was like, no pretense anything. but she's like, yeah,

that's going to be a problem. Yeah. That's what that one ends, right? Yeah, it was just like, okay. Crazy. There's,

there's a lot of like, ellipsies for this episode. It's like with Jack, now with Deja and Randall and Beth, like, you're like, oh, okay, to be continued, I guess. Yeah.

Well, let's talk about Katow. Because this is, I feel like both of these storylines. I want to say, like, personal nightmare. Personal nightmare. is not growing up in the house with my children. Yeah.

Sure. And I'm saying this with love to people because there's lots of people that have to go through it all the time. But I think one of the most difficult things for adults to navigate is co-parenting. Yeah. My friends who I see who go through it and do it well or not so well, it is not easy.

Yeah. And so like both of these different ways will be going through similar things, but that's why I think they pair well together. You want to start with your. Yeah, I mean, we see what they're trying to accomplish with this, with Toby traveling back and forth to the Bay Area for his job. And it's getting progressive. I mean, it very quickly gets progressively more and more difficult for them to stay connected.

Very quickly, first episode, new baby Jack? I think so. No, he was there before, wasn't he? That cute boy who repeat? Is it that? No, I clocked him last week. Okay, you might be right. I clocked him last week because I wrote in my notes.

I was like, this kid's incredible. And I wrote the same thing last week, too. That's right. Okay, I remember now. And I still don't know how you guys did it. But the way that he repeats stuff? I want to, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was.

He was awesome. Yeah, he would hang out. That's all him. He's so good. He's so sweet and adorable. We'd just start talking. You want to do that? No, okay.

Well, what do you want to do? I don't care. Okay. Yeah, he's great. He's wonderful. I feel like the difficult thing is like, you know, best laid plans, right? Toby's like, I got a schedule, like I'll come back at this time, whatnot. And then like some dinner comes up that I have to stay for.

Like life gets in the way and it precludes you from being where you want to be when you say you want to be there. So then as a result, like to make up for your absence, there's gifts. Yeah. Right? Yep. Every time. Yep. Every time you come home.

Yeah. Got to start providing some kind of science. sign that I was thinking about you when we weren't together. Right. Which is a love language. For young Jack, I don't even know.

What's your daughter's name again? Oh, goodness. Haley. Haley. Duh. Haley. My niece, your daughter, your grandda. Haley.

Again, these last few seasons. Haley's heard. It's relegant to the sideline. Four years is a long time. I swear. So they, they, Toby comes home, right? He's got the gifts.

He's got all these things, but they're also planning kind of a night out, right? And so he's got other gifts for, he's arranged some time alone for Kate to go get her hair blown in. Blown, something. Blown up. Which is a funny joke, but also I feel like Toby would have known when to blow out. Probably. Come on.

Probably. Okay, writers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you. I'll be better than that. Yeah. It's the heighten the disconnect. Yes, yes, yes.

And she reminds Toby, of course, of the new schedule that the kids are on because that schedule is constantly in flux and in need of revamping. And he says, well, they're my kids too, Kate. The guy was a stay-at-home dad for a little bit. I know how to handle this. This also came up because the gift for young Jack was a football that beeps. Yes. And you wanted to play with him. And she's like, well, this is nap time.

Yeah, right before now. It's nap time. Do it after now. Right, we'll do it. And Kate comes back to find that both children are unnapped. Unnapped. Which is one of the worst things that can happen to a parent of young children. Yeah.

When they are unnapped. Missing nap time. You got a 17-year-old babysitter who's delightful and wonderful, but you sort of question. Yeah. A little bit. Yeah. She's like, I'm usually here when the kids are already asleep. Yeah.

Like, I'm just watching a monitor essentially. I don't know how to put these kids down. And so they're going to be late to this recital. And Toby's like, you know, Kate, you go ahead. I'll stay behind. It's like, my bad, I'll put the kids down. I'll make sure everything's okay. You go and I'll see the next recital.

Listen, the look on Chrissy Metz's face? Yeah, she was. I was like, really? Yeah. She was disappointed. Yeah, to say the least. Yeah. She's like, okay.

Oh. Hi-hi. Yeah. And you're like, see, look, you give her a little bit. You want chicken. Yeah. And it is, gosh, it's one of those things, because we know where it's going now.

The audience knows where it's going. And so you're seeing the breadcrumbs that lead to it, it's a particular kind of heartbreak. Yeah. Right? Because you're like, oh, they're not going to make it. Yeah. And it's not one big thing that you see all of a sudden, although I will say the episode that many more directs

that are coming up, I'll be like, all right, Tobias. Yeah. You thought this was the move, but that's... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, for true. That's the giant story. straw that broke the camel's back.

Quick, turning around and just thinking about, like, for a being like Johnny Kincaid to be sitting in this high chair and to have maybe a memory of this, what a weird thing. Definitely. That there are children actors.

Yeah. What a bizarre thing. That they're putting little costumes and handed to two strangers and like, does your mommy and daddy know? Want to watch them have a fight? Like, it's just sitting there like, you know what?

What is happening? The other thing that I thought about was, because there's moments when you leave and you try to give kisses or whatnot and they're not really, like, because he's a sweet boy, like, what do you have to do to get him not to want to, like, give you a kid? Like, how's that work?

Yeah, yeah. Sometimes we stick ice in the kid's feet to make them crying. I was like, I hope they don't remember that crap. Yeah. That's weird. It's an odd, it's an odd when you really think about it. Yeah, it's an odd. It is indeed.

It is indeed. But hey, maybe AI can solve that problem. She goes. Sister goes, sister goes to her performance of the kids, enjoys it. And as she's walking out, Philip steps in. Yep. Right?

And he's like, I thought I was going to meet the famous toby tonight. That's right. She's like, no, something happened with the nap time. This is when you know things is bad too. When you start talking about problems, with spouse. Yeah, to anyone else. To like another dude or what or not.

And he's just like, er, before you had an opportunity to have some sort of resolution between you and said person. Not good. It's not great. And then he tells a story about how he and his ex used to get into the same argument about Tao. Is Tom being on the floor or something? She'd always leave it on the floor and not get upset about it.

Yeah. And she was a messy bitch. And I did not. approve. Right? And that what he said? What did he say? I guess there was something about this, though, that just, like, irked me because I'm

like, would you, yes, it's one thing talking about it with another person, but, like, talking about it at work? Yeah. No, it was. Feels just, like, icky. It felt, well, I think for her, it was just like, it was outside on the sidewalk after the thing was over. and he asked the question about where's your husband?

I thought I was going to get a chance to meet him. And then it's like, she's like, the kids are being a problem. And he was like, this is why I despise children. Good job, so-and-so. Yeah, wonderful. I do say, ugh, kids.

Is all right? Yeah. Especially the blind ones. He did say that. He was like, well, parents aren't going to like, you know, chastised their blind children. I'm like, would he really say that? That's awful.

I think it's highlighting like how far apart these two people are. Oh, yeah. Well, mission accomplished. And so he tells the story about the tiles and how he used to come in and argue and talk about this thing that was going on. And then at a certain point, he was like, ah, I'm tired of sharing this story because it's actually not about the tiles. It's about something bigger and bigger.

than that, right? And she just sort of takes that in. But we do have a moment of repair at the end of the episode. Well, I love that Toby and Kevin, that's the next time we see this storyline are connecting over just being dads and how Kevin's just like, you know, this is not what I saw my life being. Because Kevin's in the guest room. Yeah. That's right. He's like, at least you get to see your kids.

I don't even get to like, I'm missing like these gigantic milestones. and this is not what I saw for my life. And Toby basically says, you know, I think I lived with two parents who, like, despised each other. And I think at the end of the day, kids would rather see their parents being happy than together. Yeah. Which is a great message to leave in with a lot scene for me and Justin to get through. With the magnet? They all are.

With the magnet? Yeah, yeah. As soon as I would, like, pick up a magnetile, like, click it together, he'd be like, he just was like, this is, what is the? What is this magnetile thing we're doing? It was like a little, like, a little bit of a reach for, like, the metaphor, right? And the other funny thing was the first time I did the, like, thing with the triangle. Yeah.

It just fully fell apart because it's like, oh, right, because these are magnetiles. And so. This isn't a structure. See? You're like, see it's indisruptible. See? What I would do, what I would do every time we did it was like I'd make direct eye contact with Justin and, like, give my body like a little. shake like I was trying to push it and it wouldn't go and it's so strong but it was

just me that's acting you guys that's acting that's that's an Emmy nominate it that's right that was the scene I submitted for my Emmy nomination you think you think there's acting going on in the leading categories wait until you see my magnet title work But don't Kate and Toby have a scene at the end, or do they not? Do they not have a scene with each other? Yes, yes, yes. Well, after the Magnetiles.

After the Magnetiles. I still have to add that like when Kevin walks in, he's like, oh, I just want to make sure there wasn't like adult time going on. He's like, oh, no, no, I thought there was going to be some adult time too, but not happening, Kate went to have that, whatever. So then he leaves and. Yes. Yeah, anyway, I just thought that was funny.

It is funny. He's like, I thought I'd be having sex with your sister too. I thought I'd be having sex with your sister, too. Oh, that's right. But Kate does come home. Yeah. With Menchies in tow. That's the yogurt, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And because they were planning on going to get the non-fat frozen yogurt after to celebrate whatever it was. Correct. And so she brings home frozen yogurt and as a gesture, a symbol of a peace offering. And Toby essentially starts a conversation about wanting to make memories.

And hot take, this was, I had kind of forgotten about this move. Here we go. I mean, you know what I'm talking about. You both had the same feeling where Toby was like, so let's make some memories. You know, grilling stuff. You both had the same feeling where it was like, so, wow, I just want to bring our family together with just some barbecue, you know?

And it was like, I. Love this show. I love this show. But this moment was a reach. And you both know it. Listen. You both agree with me. You both will audibly agree with me on this podcast right now.

Here's what I found weird. I was like, this feels like just a thing Toby wants to buy. Yes. That's right. Yes. It's a $700 barbecue. that he wants for himself. And he's like, how do I couch this and making it a big gesture?

I want this for our family. Baby, this is the finest grill that the market has to offer. And it is going to give us so many memories. What? Maybe that is, but maybe that's in keeping with like what's been happening with Toby and Kate. I think partially too is sort of couching things that are convenient for him and packaging them as if they're for everyone. No, for sure, for sure. I guess everybody does that to a certain extent.

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It was just like, you know, like, I'm going to buy us a new car. Neither one of them have verbally agreed with me on this podcast yet. Well, I, yes. So I'll just hang out here by myself. My brother. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Mandy.

I just, I can, I can see where Sterling's coming from. I mean, I think this is a part of, like, it is to show, I am trying to make an effort, but in theory, like, this is something that I want to. and I think it would be fun to have or whatever. But I also think. Let me sell it as. There is something very communal. What do you think about a Corvette?

A Corvette, Kate. Yeah, totally. It's like buying a new car for yourself. No, no, it's not a Corvette. It's not a Corvette. And I say that because I think food and meals are naturally a communal experience. Yeah. And preparing something for your family, like food from your hands that you made.

Sure. I think you're looking to be. of like working on something for like a couple. It's like an hour, an hours long sort of experience of smoking things. It turns out to be something that gets passed on because now your son does this thing that he saw his dad do. Yes. Right? So there is.

But it has also been identified. Yes. At the beginning. That was the beginning of the end of your parents' relationship. Yeah. The biggest rupture. Which is also like quite a swing for our show to be like dot, dot, dot on. For this lady to be like, right, but doesn't it remind you of how your parents' marriage ended?

Cut to black. Yeah, totally. Squeedoo dot, tweedle do. Yeah. Bo-tweedy, squeedoo. Squeedle do, do squeedie de, squeedie. Yeah. Totally.

All of that. All of that. It is. That's a real like, whoa, shit. What the, yeah, totally. What did he make? Yeah. What did he barbecue?

Well, because it's all, it's the combo of like, my mom died. I don't think so. I'm still going to see my boyfriend in Boston. Your parents' marriage ended over this fucking smoker. Yeah, yeah. And quick side note, they've also just without mentioning it have shown us that Jack Damon is one of the world's greatest musicians. Yeah, also.

Because he's living on a mountaintop. Oh, he's chilling. In a $30 million house. He's good. Yeah. He's good. And nobody mentions it. It's just like, oh, where are we grilling?

And it's the two of them. I was like, oh, you don't even have like a party? Nope. Or kids? Nope. Or a dog. Nothing. I got a little sort of concerned watching him put meat on the thing.

But he was just like, totally cool. Both hands on. I was like, oh, careful. I was like, I don't put both my hands on. I ain't there. Oh, yeah. God bless him. And he has a, we see that there's a scar.

There's a scar on his head. You do see the scar on his forehead. Like, is he Harry Potter? What is the... What is the mark? What's the mark? Yeah. What did the grill?

Wait, I thought that... What happened on this day? Let's make memories. So that's okay. That's the end of Tobias and Kate. Then as far as Cab is going, he has... He's taking the Manny. He's doing the Manny reboot.

He is like coming over every day, getting a chance to see the kids like at the top of the morning or at the end of the end of the middle. Yeah, yeah. There's a montage of their new normal just like, yeah, starting the day, ending the day. Yeah. There is what happens before he goes to like his manny rehearsal. There's a scene between him and Madison. Yeah, where he's dropping off her special coffee order. Yeah.

And she's trying to get the house cleaned up before. Elijah comes over. So we've reestablished that that's still a thing. That's still a thing. Dan's not going to write himself out of the show. And finally, get myself in there. I get to be with my wife as another man. Yes.

We've got to get him on. We've got to get him on. He goes to practice. I call it practice. My wife would get mad. He goes to rehearsal. Yeah. And it's sort of the evolution of the character

who was once the manny, who is now the father. And he's talking about, you know, how important it is to be with his family and connected to these people and to be with these children. And as he's having this moment, he's sort of having the simultaneous realization in life. Like, I'm not with my family. Yeah. I'm here. Yeah. And they're there.

And they're, yes, I am totally missing their life. And I'm here for them. I'm here in order to spend more time with my family. And yet I'm still missing these gigantic milestones. Yeah. So. So the cast invites him to come out for drinks after rehearsal. He winds up like, you know, foot in the bill.

And everybody's like, I didn't even invite you for all this. But since we're doing it, shots for everybody. He's cool, right? He's talking to the young lady who plays his stepdaughter. And she's like, oh, we should go to this music place. And she's like, yeah, give you your phone. I'll tell you where it is. And she winds up, like, writing her phone number and be like, we should hang out afterwards, right?

She's 25, right? It's all good, like, in the hood. If he wanted to pursue, he was in, within. in his rights, although it might feel a little pathetic. Like, I feel like people see this differently. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's a lot of dudes who would be like, go for it. And a lot of people, other people would be like, come on, man.

Yeah, right. Mandy's raising their hand. Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on, sir. Never mind. Haven't we done this? Never mind she plays your daughter, right?

Yeah, we've already gone down this road. Yeah. Yeah. In law. Yeah. Still. You were about to get married. You have two young children.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So they're at the place. as she's sort of in the midst of flirtation, Madison sends him a text and he's watching his daughter's first steps. Franny. Franny's the daughter. Johnny plays Young Jack. Haley is my niece.

Yes, got him. He's super excited. He's like, I gotta get home. I gotta see this. He leaves the, leave the card open because my man's bawling like that. I'm definitely closing my tab. I feel like I do okay for myself. I'm letting my bunch of people.

I'm not leaving my car. Drink up my shit. Yeah. goes home and she's like, what are you doing here? He's like, I can't even see the steps. And she's like, oh, they're asleep. They're asleep, bro. What are you talking about?

And he's like, well, you know, we can wake her up. Like, this is historical. I got to see it. Like, look, things are going to happen. You're going to miss some stuff. Like, new things are going to happen every day. Like, this is a part of our relationship. And he's, you could see, like, there's legitimate frustration,

but also she's right. We're not together, bro. Yeah, yeah. And you see him just sort of like, The resignation. Resignation also because I think in his mind, he was like, I was willing to do that. He was. I wanted to be a family unit.

I wanted to be a family unit, even though I'm not in love with you. Yeah. And I think you can't have your caten either too. No, of course. Of course, of course. In her, like, good for her for, you know, saying that. Like, I could have been here in love with you, right? And you knowing that you don't love me in the same way. and just sort of like, I don't know.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, you know, in that conversation, again, just referencing it between the two of them, I think I said something like, like, at least you have an excuse. Like, you have to go away for work. I live in the same damn city, and I don't even get to see them. And I can say, like, there are times in my marriage, in difficult times, right,

where Ryan and I have been beefing and you feel so alone under the same roof, whereas if you're, like, on location, you have a reason to sort of justify, like, space, or whatnot. So I'm thinking like that proximity for Kev and not having like all of it is like for sure. Yeah. So frustrating. He talks about like, you know, here I am living like in my sister's guest room or whatnot and I can buy a freaking house. Like I got to move on with my life. And I think that's sort of like. He calls Cassidy. He calls Cassidy, right? And she's like, what's what's going on? He's calling me. He's like, I could have called this 25 year old jump off and I figured you are all the way across the country. And even if I wanted to knock boots, it's near impossible. to do it. She's like, well, that's sweet.

Yeah. Thanks. You make a girl feel real good. Okay. Yeah. But it does now sort of like reintroduce, like we know that Kev has kids. Oh, no, the world had those kids. No, sorry, never mind.

The kids are born. But who's he wind up with, right? Yeah. Cassidy is the first person that we sort of reintroduce. You were like, oh, okay. That's a possibility. Right. Yeah.

And that's essentially that. That's the episode. Squeed-l-l-l-tweet. Do you know what I do? On Hulu when I watch the show, because I watch it on Hulu. And hopefully you watch this podcast. Hopefully you watch the podcast as well. That's right.

On Hulu? If you know what I'm talking about. I don't let them go on to the next episode until I finish hearing the themes. I friggin love the themes. It sort of just makes me like warm and fuzzy in the most beautiful way. It's a good show. It's a good show. It's a good score.

Shout out to Sid Kosovo. Yeah. He does this as well. We have a fan segment that we're going to get into. We'll be right back with more. That was us. Recently, we put out a call for responses on Instagram to the question, when did you first realize your child wasn't a little kid anymore? And you guys really showed up.

You did. So many of you wrote in, in fact. We haven't even read these yet. So we're about to experience them for the first time. In real time. Right now. Oh, my gosh. Here we go.

So let's see what moments made you stop and think, wow. my kid is growing up. Here we go. So Joy H says, when my daughter dropped the F bomb with zero apology and no joke, my husband breathed the side relief and said, can we stop censoring ourselves?

I love that. Do you kids aren't cursing with regularity? Not with regularity, but Bear has certainly been at school long enough and at these camps long enough to come home with some wild new information. Yeah.

Yeah, one of which being, Dad, I know you're in stranger things, and I know you get shot in the head. Great. Cool. Good. Cool. And him turning to Ifa and saying,

Ifa, fuck is a bad word. Yeah, we're in the like, ducky, wucky, fucky, chucky. I'm like, ah, we don't say that. Yeah, but do you see, when they, when they start getting into the rhyming stuff, do you think they're doing it so they can say the bad word, or do you think they're just happening upon a rhyme? No. Because I don't know whether I, he's like, which sitch, bitch, bitch, kitch, and I'm like,

should I jump on it and draw attention to it? Yeah, or was that an accident? Probably not, but I do. I'm like, we don't say that. You know we don't say that. What don't we say, Mom, duck? Yeah, duck. Ducky.

We don't say lucky? What don't we say? The tangent to this is anytime I'm on set and I have a line where I have to curse. And every once in a while, I just call for a line from Kathleen, who is our script supervisor. You do it on purpose? And I do it on purpose. Yeah, so she has to go. So she has to repeat the whole thing.

Yeah. Okay. Who we have next? Mary Beth. Go for it. Probably what I asked me. my daughter with a song, Watermelon Sugar was really about, and she knew and said the explicit answer. What is watermelon sugar?

Yeah, what is it? Is it a song? It's a hairstyle song, yeah. Look, there he is. He's eating the watermelon. Oh, I do. It's about a vagina? Sure.

It's about eating vagina? I believe so, yeah. Conalingis. Yeah, kind of lingus. Sweet watermelon. Look, look at what he's doing in the picture. I wouldn't do it like that, though. No, no, he's doing it.

That feels like too much teeth. Yeah, yeah. Well, he's eating the watermelon. Well, I mean, so you call it eating vagina, but you don't do it with teeth. That's true. Wow, this is going to have a... First of all, you don't call it that. You don't?

No, I've never called it that. I'm about to eat that vagina. Okay. All right. Anyways, thank you for coming to Hulu. Thanks, thanks for watching. We work on Disney. Eating vagina, Sterling K. Brown says.

Mickey Mouse is doing some stuff with Minnie. It's all good. It's a mouse. Where you got? Sally God, did it actually. Julie D. Yeah. Said, when our son was around 12,

I noticed the blonde hair on his leg was no longer silky and fine. But with stick and curly, my little boy was becoming a man. That's the sweetest way of saying that. Yeah. That's very, very sweet because that coincides with something else. Yeah. And when that happens, like, listen, Andrew Brown walks around the house and he's very proud of what he's representing and whatnot.

And I'm like, hey, man, can you put this? this thing away? Like, what's going? We got it. We got it. You're feeling good. You're feeling good about yourself. Yeah, a couple more years. This is going to be a crime. What's the next one? Whoa, whoa, whoa. I got this one, of course. Andrew, see, the moment I realized my youngest daughter wasn't a little girl anymore was when she came to me one day and quietly asked, Mom, would you hate me if I liked girls too? That question broke my heart, not because

of what she was asking, but because somewhere along the way she had become old enough to worry that she might lose her mom's love. I'm a Christian, and my faith is deeply important to me. But in that moment, there wasn't even a pause. I told her, no, never. There's nothing you could tell me that would make me stop loving you. Looking back, I think that's the day I realized she wasn't a child anymore. She wasn't asking for permission.

She was asking if she was still safe with me. I'm so grateful she trusted me enough to ask, and I'm thankful that she knew my answer without hesitation. Wow. Thanks, Andrea. What an incredible parent. Well done, man. Yeah. I mean, that's an episode of the show right there that we did.

And she modeled it beautifully. And I want to speak just from that Christian standpoint. Like sometimes people feel like they have to draw this hard line and say something is against their faith. She didn't draw a hard line. She was able to recognize the nuance of the moment. And her daughter was going to be her daughter, ten toes down till the day that she dies. And I'm going to love you. God bless you for modeling love.

Yes, right? Above all. Appreciate that. Right on. What's next? Blair M. When my oldest said it was time to start calling me mom instead of mommy. Have your kids gotten there yet?

Not yet. A little bit. Like sometimes in the middle of the night it's like, mom, mom, mom. I'm like, yes. What? At 1.30 in the morning. Yeah. Taylor, they're calling for you.

Yeah, totally. Taylor knows that like. when he's home, he's, yeah, closest to the door. I hope you enjoyed your five weeks. Yeah, exactly five weeks away. My kids have made that transition. But everyone's, when Andrew was younger, a little bit younger, like maybe 10, nine, if you wanted something like, Daddy, Daddy.

But before he's just like, hey, dad, what's so, dad? I'd be like, uh, daddy. And I'm like, what is it, boy? Yeah, what do you want? Yeah. Bear has a character, he gets into it. He's like, bro, dude. He, like, puts on this character.

bro, dude, and he calls any, and it's fine by me. Yeah. Yeah. What are we doing, dude? You know, like, I don't know where he gets it, but if that flies around my, the grandparents. No, no more. It's like, it's Grammy. I'm not dude.

Yeah. What's the next? Linda T. I think it was the switch to wanting to watch more grown-up TV shows with me. It was suddenly, can I watch Lost with you tonight? I look forward to that day. I have it with the oldest. I have it with the oldest because he's like, can we go see the Odyssey?

And I was like, oh, yeah, we can. Oh, boy. You know what I'm saying? I was like, let's go, bro. And Amar is still like, that looks kind of scary. And I'm like, all right, you got a couple more years. I like it. What else we got?

Is this me again? Lord, have mercy, Aaron B. This spring, we had an incident at my oldest son's Little League where a coach on our team heard one of the other team's white players called one of one of the other teams, of our black players, the N-word. Okay, this is me. The age group is six, seven, and eight.

And so we had to talk to our eight-year-old about it, even though I knew, and I still know that something like this would happen to my kids and that my kids will experience racism throughout their lives, the reality of it happening and delivering this harsh and unjust truth to my child that makes them lose some of their innocence and burdened them with this knowledge. That was a really hard one.

Aaron B., sister, I've lived this. Oh, God. Gosh, I've had, like, I've told you guys about this a couple of times where Andrew's been called the N-word in the middle of a soccer game. And I'm like, what? What? These are kids that are playing. We went to this one game, young Mexican kid who I love, his name was Alex. We were playing against the team, and I believe they were Armenian because we were in a particular enclave of Los Angeles where it's a large Armenian population.

And one of the kids told the Mexican kid to go back to where he came from. I'm like, what kind of bizarreo? Thing of a jickey is going on. Like, unless you are indigenous, homie, we can all go back to where we came from. Yeah. You know what I'm right? Nobody was here except for them.

Oh, and it's like, that has to be a part of this game for them. Like this game that is supposed to be about kicking a ball, having fun, teamwork, collaboration, et cetera. And now, like, and this kid said to a referee in the middle of the game, that kid was being racist to me. And the ref goes, I didn't hear it, keep playing. And I got up at half time. because it happened in the first half.

I was like, that's not something that this kid says, man. Can we investigate what happened? He's like, will you come with me? I was like, absolutely. We went to go talk to both coaches and the other coach, the coach of the opposing team heard it. He benched his kid for the rest of the game. I walked over to the bench afterwards

and I told the mom and dad of the kid what had happened. And they knew and they said, thank you, whatnot. And then a mom from the other team says, well, your boys were being rude too. And without Brown having to do anything, one of the dads from the other team says, not like that. We don't do that and you need to be quiet.

He told her you need to be quiet. And he apologized to us and our team for that. And I was like, I'm so thankful that he did it. And that Brown didn't have to be like, are you kidding me? Yeah. Yeah. Really? We're not talking about rudeness.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, nah, it's not apples to apples. No. Your voice, we're also being impolite. Yeah. Aaron B, I'm sorry. And it is one of those things like when you sort of like, I mean, there's moments that I remember.

acutely, like being black for the first time. And I knew I was black. I knew the color of my skin. I wasn't sort of diluted anything. But like when I realized that it was a problem for someone else, and I still looked at that moment of like, oh, okay, I have to navigate St. Louis, Missouri in 1988 differently than people who don't look like me.

And it does. It's sort of just like, okay, now I know. Now I know. No one's half the battle. I'm sorry, Aaron. That's tough. Sorry, Aaron. What's next?

When both of our boys answered back in deep voices, I swear the day before they were little and squeaky. Have you experienced it? The young one still kind of squeaky. Yeah. Right? He still got the squeaky. And I know when it goes away, Ryan will be like, what just happened?

Yeah. Right? Like, it happened for Andrew a while ago, as I said, he walks around swinging. And it's like, he's so happy about it. I'm like, oh, man, I'm happy for you. You know what I'm saying? Happy that you're happy. He feels good about it.

And I feel like Rye will have that too, but like it's the last one. And we kind of know it's the last one. So there will be, Elizabeth, I understand what you're saying. He still comes. Amari's still when he's sick or tired, even with me, like I haven't had the last moment of picking him up. Because he's cuddly and he enjoys that, right? Where Andrew's like, you know, pick me up, you know what I'm saying? I was like, no, I guess I guess not.

Watch me. Yeah. I may have to do it one time just to know that it wasn't the last time. And I get to choose when it's going to be the last time. That's right. I remember. But here's the good thing about this with the deep voices. For my mom, she loved this.

I don't know if I told you guys this before. Every once in a while we would go shopping late night in the grocery store at some discount market or whatnot. We do shopping. I'm like, Mom, can I ride in the cart? And she goes, yeah, you can ride in the car. And I would sit in the cart, 16, 17. in the cart and she'd push me around and she just put all the groceries on top of me and it was fucking awesome. I love that for you. Yeah. Yeah. So, so Elizabeth, I'm saying like hold out. Maybe

maybe you still get a chance to push him in the car. Still something. Still something. You still put groceries on them. Oh, what a good episode. How's a good one? Great episode and thank you for everyone for submitting their stories and their vulnerability. Tell them where they can submit them, Mandy. Speak pipe. Why am I always convinced by this? My favorite part of this. Speakpipe.com. Slash that was us. Yeah.

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and a little bit more light. Yeah, I like this. We went up and down. Support our sponsors. Tell a friend about the show. Watch us a day early on Hulu. Yes. Yeah, do all the things.

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