That Was Us - Rebecca Gets a Job | "Sorry" (408) with special guest Timothy Omundson

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

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On today's episode of that was us, we're diving into season four, episode eight, sorry. Kevin is forced to reckon with himself after getting intimate with Cassidy. Kate leans on her newfound friendship with her neighbor, and Randall and Beth navigate new parenting challenges. In the past, Rebecca gets a new job, taking a step toward rebuilding, her life. What's going on, gang? How we doing? Hello.

Hey, hey, ho. It reminds me of a couple of weeks ago. I said, like, did Rebecca ever get a job? And you're like, I don't think so, but it turns out. Yeah. Here we are. For at least some period of time. Correct.

And again, I was like, that does ring a bell. But, like I've said a million times, I don't remember these episodes. We're sort of rehearsing it for the first time, right? Not like I lived it. Mind your own business. Who cares? I wasn't there. What does this episode open up with?

A montage of beds being made. This kind of got me. It kind of got me too. I love that the storytelling through like the repetition of a gesture, right? And you see Jack and Rebecca making the bed before kids. Yeah. Making the bed. Excitedly talking about names for the kids.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah, with the Z names for girls. You can't just throw a Z on a S name. Z. Making the Benz. Oh man, if you ran into a Zuzan. Are there any Zuzins out there? Two Z-Z-E-Z.

Nice to meet you, Susan. No, no. Z-U-Z-A-N. Zuzin. That's what I said, Susan. No, Zuzin. I love when you get Sterling. He gives me a lot.

He gets me a lot. But it's sort of like the young, no babies, young babies, slightly older. Yeah. Yeah, like the teens, and when, when, they do have the teenagers and, you know, it's like right before Jack dies. Yeah, right before Jack dies. And then we see her post Jack's passing, making the bed by herself.

And the corner sheet sort of slipping off as she tries to put it on that. It's such a simple thing, but it's like, oh, they effectively show the passing of time and all the periods that we've gone through. And now what we're having to deal with at present. Do you guys make the bed together? Once in a while, when we're changing the sheet, It's just easier. Sure.

It is easier. It is. To try and get those fitted sheets on. It's not easy. Trying to get the duvet into the cover sometimes and like... That is a monster painting. Here we go. I'll tell you, like, and teaching a 9, 10-year-old, I was like, all right, big boy.

I see you did a good job. You tried. Yeah, right? Now I'm sure here to do this bed. And like, you guys flip the fitted sheet, you put your finger on the corner of that seam, you stick that seam right on the edge and you flip it so that it catches over the edge of the bed. Oh, no. You know what I'm talking about.

No? Oh, I thought you were talking about flat sheet. I am not a flat sheet, girly. You don't use a flat sheet? No, I just use the fitted sheet in a duvet. You know, no flat sheet in between? No. Is this like breaking news?

Hot take? That is a hot take. Is that a really a hot take? Well, so this is how I feel. I am anti-flat sheet. I need levels of temperature options. And if I have just to do that, That used means, like, I can't, like, take off the duvet and still have some sort of...

Are you a nighttime shower? You're a nighttime shower. Yeah. Got it. And morning. Wait, why did you say that? Like, what's the time? For me, it's a cleanliness.

Yeah, yeah. It's a clean. Oh, yeah. Have to get into the bed clean. Can't, can't otherwise. Because I don't want to be washing the duvet cover as often as I want to wash. Well, guys, you get the all-weather duvet. You don't get, you know what I mean?

It's like, you're fine all seasons. I mean, also, we live in Southern California. It's not going to be like 20 degrees at night. But, yeah, no flat sheet. No flat sheet on any bed in the house. And you and your husband were of the same ilk. He doesn't get a choice. He's never complained.

He's a sleeping bag guy. Even our children, right? So the boys share a room that have bunk beds. Yeah. They just have little baby, like, kids and babies. Taylor's used to sleeping in a van. Yeah, he's on the floor. He's fine.

He's fine. He's fine. He's fine. Amari has like a fitted sheet, then he has a flat sheet, then he has a blanket over the flat sheet, then he has a comforter. Oh wow. This was how I grew up. That's how I grew up too. It is.

Yeah, yeah. You had the 1980s. Yeah. You had the pound puppy sheet said. Yeah. I said, forget all of that. Yeah. I didn't have the pound puppy sheet set.

You had pound puppies? What was? What was pound puppies? What was pound puppies? What was pound puppies? Yeah. They were like little stuffed animals. I think there were a cartoon as well.

Something like that. I just saw a pound puppy at Target the other day. I was like, whoa, they're bringing this back. Really? So it was like little, little imprisoned puppies? No. I guess. I guess so they were in a pound.

Yeah, they were in the pound. But they were cute and they would come out of the pounds and time. Homeless dogs. Yeah. That you would adopt. Oh, do you adopt them? Yes. You would rescue them.

Got them, got them. From the store. Or they would rescue you. Yeah. I think I had like Justice League. Anyway, sorry. Sorry for that. But just, no.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, We'll talk about this more offline. We'll talk about it again. Okay. We'll dedicate a whole episode to this.

Special episode. Join our Patreon. We don't have one. Okay. We don't have it. Anyway, we jump into just after Jack has passed away. Rebecca and Cater in their new home, Randall is there fixing the dishwasher. That's right.

And doesn't he just say, like, you just needed to turn it on or something? I think it was the spray thing. He's saying that you don't have to fix the whole thing. It's just this one thing, and it seemed like an easy fix. Dummy. He's a, exactly, dumb mom. Don't know how to do this. What are you, a dumb mom?

He never said that. We see Mark, Kate's boyfriend. Dude, this kid, this kid is such a good actor. Like, you know, I have that... Austin Abrams. I have that feeling that John Q. Public will have, like, if your character does something nefarious and be like, how could you do that to Zonzo? And you're like, I'm just an actor, right? Yeah, yeah.

I have that feeling towards this dude who plays one. until we were talking right before we rolled. Like, he's so, he's too comfortable in this house. He's so comfortable. It's not just disrespectful to, like, Rebecca, I was telling Sterling, it feels like a disrespect to the TV show. To the show. He's so relaxed.

I'm like, you know we're rolling on this, right? Like, you know this is being filmed. Yeah, like millions of people are going to watch this. He's so relaxed. In perpetuity. Hey, Rebecca, hey, Randy. It just sort of gives me a little clap on the back. Just like, because he feels like they pulled this dude.

out of the record store. It does. Yeah. Well, there is too, like, it really sells that, like, he's older than her. Uh-huh. Yeah. You know, where he's like, I don't have to, like, mess with this, like, this is someone's mom. He gets a beer out of the fridge.

Totally. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. So they go on, on their way, and she starts talking about how she's getting stressed. And, oh, she's talks about how the insurance money is getting eaten up by this mortgage. And I eventually have to get some kind of a job. And Randall's like, yo, I can help you with your resume.

And she's like, you shouldn't have to do all that. And he's like, mom, I'm a nerd. Like resumes are my jam. I do have a family. My sister is like the person who everybody would go to for their resume. She's a journalism major, right? Like order and just sort of making things manicured and presentable is her thing. So everybody in the family used to go to my sister.

So like, Randall is that person, I guess, in our family. Yes. Nobody has a resume person in their family? Just asking. I mean, Rachel. Okay. Yeah. Because, like, here's the thing.

We don't really have the same kind of resumes as everybody else. Oh, yeah. So it's a different sort of thing. It's a different skill set. When you guys, when you guys first started acting, did you pad your resume? Yeah, with special skills. It was like horseback riding. I'm like, I've made me done that like twice, but that was on my special skills.

I would make, I would make things. Oh, make up jobs? Not make up jobs, but I would list them in ways that made them sound more important than they were. Give me an example. Like every play I did at LMU. was not such-and-such-and-such-play Loyola Marymount University. It was such-and-such-and-such-play, Stroob Theater. I would name the theater because they wouldn't know

that the Strub Theater is at my college. They would just think, well, that's a play that got done. That makes sense. You know, I would do my, no, I didn't, well, because I went to NYU, so I figured like the NYU part would look good in and of itself. But then when I came out to L.A., like my agents at Abrams' Artist Agency would look at my resume,

and I sort of said, so you're a theater actor. I was like, no, I'm an actor who's looking for more opportunities of film and television. But all you have is theater. I was like, well, I just got out of theater school. That's what I'm here to see you about. That's why you're supposed to help me do it. Yeah, you got it.

So that's how it. I went around LA walking into agencies. I think I said this on here, but I did. And like handing them things. I mean like, I'd like to meet an agent, please. Like, I don't, hi, I don't know how this works. basically what you're saying. Could you tell me?

Because no one will tell me how this works. I got zero responses except one rejection letter from Sutton, Barth, and Benari. Who I am now a client of. Are you serious? Lord, have mercy. That's hilarious. Or I used to be anyways. So, okay, wait, let's talk.

Let's continue on this particular storyline. Go for it. gets a job interview. Yes. And Randall very kindly decides that he's going to drive her to said job interview. That's right. She's nervous. She just wants it to go okay. She hasn't done this in a long time. She's been out of the job market for a couple decades. And she also emphasizes to Randall, like, you don't have to worry about me. Yeah. Ever. She does keep, it's a recurring theme. That's a current recurring thing. You don't have to worry about me. And it's clear that he does worry about her. He's a little concerned. It's why he's making time for him.

that line gets blurred between mother, son, and partner. When we get there, you know what I mean? It's starting to get disgust. Yeah, there's a good payoff to this. There's a good payoff to this. So you go to the, I'm about to say audition. You go to the interview. The interview.

It's sweet. She's, you know, talking about all she can talk about, which is she has triplets. That's why that is the big, you know, elephant in the room. It's why she's been out of the job market for so long. and the boss, the gentleman who's interviewing her, asks her if he knows about, she knows about this particular type of purchasing software that they need to know for the job. And she's like, I don't, but I can type. I'm really proficient at typing.

I can type like 98 words of minute or something. 85. Don't pad the snap. I'm padden it. I didn't remember. But it was so cute. I'm like, oh. It was adorable.

Did you guys ever have to take a typing test for anything? Yeah. We had typing class. We had typing class. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like it's funny when I got to college and I met people didn't know how to type. I was like, why don't you guys know how to type?

I signed up at a temp agency during college and we do temp jobs in the summer. Yeah. Like office jobs. Yeah, yeah. Well, I had to take one like... Did you get faster? Are you proficient? Oh, I was pretty fast.

But I don't... But I'm like a two-finger typer, but I was very fast at it. Oh, really? I'm at a two-f-f-j-K semicolon. I feel like I reverted back to being a two-finger. Like when I was in school and taking typing, I definitely... I never got that fast though. Like my mom would...

quote, like she could do 80 words a minute. I could do like 50 words a minute. That's about as fast as it. I'll hit that space bar with my thumbs, okay? Sorry. Don't get me wrong. There's only four fingers. Hunt and pack, as they say,

hunt and pack that space bar. I got like a paddle shifter. No one listening to this podcast understands anything we're talking about. We're just using our fingers to show how we're typing. Typing? You don't get who our audiences. They know exactly. They're having PTSD, the same as us.

We see, Rebecca. could come out of the interview, she has to go use the restroom real quick. She feels pretty good about herself, right? And Randall sees the interviewer say to the secretary, we're going to need to see more applicants, right? And then I think while she's still in the bathroom, we cut to Randall going inside and telling the dude about his mom. Yeah. Do you know my mom just lost her husband last year? You know, she's raising three kids by herself. And she's like, obviously you don't because she's not the kind of person. That would tell you that, yeah.

That would tell you that, right? And he goes, listen, your mom is very sweet, and I'm sure she's raised a great kid in you, but she doesn't know how to use the software. He's like, look, man, I'm a straight-a-st dude. At Carnegie Mellon. At Carnegie Mellon. He's like, I'm smarter than you are.

I got a full ride. Like, I will teach her this weekend, and you'll be a-a-alled, right? And so Rebecca sort of sees Randall coming out at the same time. He's like, I just forgot my bag, let's go when they walk out together. Is there another car ride scene before they get home? Or is it just them getting home? I think it's just getting home. They get home.

She's on the phone. Right? She got the job. She got the job. What the what? Yeah. And now she's like, are you going to tell me what you said to him? So you knew?

Well, she saw him walk. It's like he couldn't, his like little game of like, oh, sorry, I just forgot my backpack. It's like, I watched you walk out of the right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Saw that. But what did you, what did you tell the boss? He just, I just needed him to know what kind of person you were. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? You needed him to see you the way that I see you. Yeah. It's pretty sweet. Yeah. Pretty sweet. And they go on this whole thing about like, you know, you don't have to do that type of stuff.

Like, Mom, I don't, oh, she's like, you don't have to come do the laundry here all the time. He's like, there's laundry at school. I come so where we can have a little R&R time. That's, you know, Rebecca and Randall, you know, he sort of coins this phrase in that moment, right? And it just shows they have a bond. Yeah. Right? Like, dude loves his mom.

Yeah. Sue him. Yeah. I love my mom too. It's an easy role to step into, like, you know what I'm saying? Do you want to call him something? No, he's a good son. Yeah, of course.

He's interesting because there's things that I love about him. There's things that annoy the bejesis about him, right? And we'll get into that a little bit more in the next episode. No, well, we'll get into the other storyline, right? Because that sort of concludes that storyline, right? Yeah, it does. It does. More that was us after these words from our sponsors. Life's messy, kids, pets, long nights on the couch.

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He teases to Beth. He's like, that's Rebecca and Randall. You know what I'm saying? She's like, I got it, bro. Yeah. That's very sweet. And if I mean, if I mean, if I mean, miss anything that's of import. Please stop me. I will. They go to the office. Rebecca is charming

and sweet and meeting everybody, Jay Wan saying hi. All the staff people are saying hi. And she's like, oh, let me capture all of this. And she just starts taking pictures of the office. And Randall's like, Mom, come check out the office. And she's like, I will. I just want to see everything that's here. Right. And he's like, okay, if the hallway is that interesting, cool, you do what you got to do. But here's my office. Like, this is where the magic happens. She's like, Okay, give me a second. And then she finally goes into the office or whatnot. Just like a proud mom.

Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? She wants to document everything. She wants to get it all. Doesn't want to forget anything. Does the same thing inside the office or whatnot. And they sit down and they're having lunch. Some sort of like pork sandwich.

Best sandwich in the city. People talk about cheese steaks. Yeah. But the roast pork. Pork? Pork sandwich. It's a roast pork. Yeah.

It's definitely a roast pork. I remember that because I actually, I say like, Don't give me too much pork because if I have to eat it over and over again, don't want the idas. Yeah. You understand what I'm saying? Okay. And in the midst of it, she's asking questions and he's like, well, what about you? Like, how, oh, how's Al-A?

Like, do you, is the traffic crazy? Is the weather too good? He's settling into R&R time. Exactly. And she's like, it's fine. It's fine. It's all good. And he's like, all right, well, give me something.

Like, does she volunteer the baby? I'm going to show you pictures of this baby. Well, she's like, the baby's cute. Let me show you pictures of the baby. Like, that's what. LA means to her. That's the purpose for her being out there. She can't find her good.

Dog on phone. God. Right. It was just here. It was just here. It was just right here. He's like, you know what? I will call it.

We'll find it. No big deal. Maybe there's a little too much panic. Just a slight. Does it feel a little heightened? Just like a touch of too much panic in Rebecca to not have this phone. Yeah. It does.

Like it seems a little over serious. But does she also mention that she had lost it before? Yeah. In this scene that she mentioned that? She says something about Miguel. Had to get me another one. No, he says that in the scene, the next scene. He's like, I just had to buy her a new phone because I don't think she reveals it.

He reveals it. Because that's where it's like information of like, oh. Okay. She just lost it. I just bought her this brand new phone. It's like it's here somewhere. Rebecca's a little too worried about it being lost. She left it out in the hallway at the front desk or whatnot underneath the folder.

We brought it back in. Everything's fine. Yeah, it's just a little odd to clock that. But Randall is sort of like taking note, right? And I don't know if you guys have gotten to this place with your parents where you sort of like, you see that these people who took care of you are sort of like just not quite the same or functioning just a little bit differently than what you're accustomed to seeing. And so that's what he's noticing with his mom.

to go home, right? Everybody's gathered, having a great time, et cetera. And he winds up telling Beth, I believe, right? He's like, something's going on with my mom. Like, it just doesn't... Something's off. Something feels... She doesn't seem like her regular self, right?

And so in an echo to the montage at the top of the episode, Rebecca's in the guest bedroom, and she's starting to make the bed. And you see Randall join in and make the bed with her. And you guys tell me this, because I'm curious, as I was watching this, I was like, I feel like he slash eyes trying to be as gentle as possible in sort of broaching the subject. But I'm wondering, like, if he could have just been thrown it away more and maybe that would have been a more helpful tactic. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, did it feel like he was making it too much or did it feel like he was just trying to like, I want to ask a question gently?

To me, it felt like, you're my mom. I'm your person. Yeah. I should feel comfortable enough to have any conversation with you as I would in any other situation. Right. Like, you don't have to walk on eggshells. Right. So I think it was the right way to approach it. At least that's how I read it. And the defensiveness that, like, she sort of exhibits and comes back to him with is what was like, whoa, okay.

Yeah, yeah. If I had been performing it, I probably would have. Yeah, yeah. I'm just what I'm looking for. Yeah. I'm kidding. No, it was, I think it was all spot on. And it was Rebecca's over, like, how defensive she got to the conversation is what makes it even more prickly.

Like it makes it even more suspicious as to what's going on. Well, in my mind, what I was thinking is like, she notices that something is off. Yeah. And it's like, well, I can sort of write it off myself. Yeah. Until there's further evidence from somebody else noticing or saying something to. And it's like when the person, you know, she loves and her child, like, notices also and brings it up, it's like, you know, you're hearing something you don't want to acknowledge.

And so I think it's like it's easy to just sort of put up the defensive measures of, I mean, that's, that's how I was playing. I guess it's like, it's, it's, it's confirmation. You played it perfectly. You played it. It was Sterling. You killed it. I had questions about myself.

just like confirmation, I think, to me of like, shit. Well, I think when somebody brings up, like he said, like, you know, I was just noticing, you don't seem like yourself today. You had a few mix-ups, right? That's the sort of gentle part of it. But then I think in asking if you've seen a doctor, I think a doctor makes it, like, real, right? Like, yeah, a doctor for what? Right, exactly.

It's like, listen, a mix-up is a mix-up. So I lost my phone for a second. I found it. Why are you trying to, like, elevate this into something that it doesn't need to be? And then she says something to the fact, like, remember that I'm still the mother and you're still the son. And he goes, well, if that's you, I can't remember exactly how he said it. But he cut himself short of basically saying that's not how we have functioned for a long time. And that's the interesting part about like this type of relationship and the delicate boundary that the show is toying with, right?

Like how much, how much importance, the line where this mother and this son meet as far as, as far, and I'm not talking about the jokes that Kevin makes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm talking about, like, the pressure that gets put on the relationship that can get out of balance, right? And how much of that has lent itself towards Randall's anxiety or his perfectionism or his OCD? or whatever the thing is, because that line gets a little blurred. Yeah. So what are you, do you, you're going to say you remembered something about the scene? The next episode.

Oh, it's the next episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You remember something about the scene? What I remember about the scene is like, because you tell me to leave the room. You're like, could you just, oh, you say that like, you asked me, where are you going to say, I was like, never mind. He was like, no, you know what you were going to say.

And you said it loud and clear, and it was hurtful. and it was beneath you, right? Yeah. Right? And then you're like, I need some time to myself if you could just give me some space, right? And so he walks out of the room, turns around, in my mind, thinking maybe to apologize or to just try to,

shoot it. Boom. Like straight up Godfather. Shut the door. Never asked me about my business, Kay. And the door goes right. And it was a great way to kind of show that the way that that line was blurred in their relationship that Rebecca probably has a little

of regret in that and that Randall has a little bit of resentment. Yeah. Like, they both are aware that it's, it's slight, like, 5% inappropriate. Yep. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So that's how that goes.

And I do remember, oh, oh, like, it hurt me. Cool. Like, it hurt me as the actor in the scene, like, having contention. Because I feel like in my mind, I was like, I don't want to upset my mom. Like, in my mind, I was like, I'm not trying to upset you. I just want you to be okay. I'm not trying to upset you. I just want you to be okay.

Like, that was sort of like the mantra that was happening inside of my head. And the idea, it's funny because you see the pages and you know how it's going to go. But even as it's going this way, it's like this actor thing that you fool yourself and the thing, like, it's supposed to go. You're supposed to go like, okay, man, please, I've been looking for a doctor for a long time. I could really use your help? I think you got these lines wrong. What happened? Like something went completely off.

Can I see those pages? Can someone bring me that script? What the? Yeah. And it goes that way. And each time I was just like, oh, shit, right? Like, that's how I felt. Not what I meant.

No, it's not what I meant, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's where we leave off that story line. Yeah. Right? Do we go to Deja, Malik, and Beth before we go over to... Yeah. Yeah.

They decide they're going to have their first date. Yeah. Movie night. Movie night. At the Pearson House. At the Pearson House. With Beth is the Shepherd. I mean, you guys will be in the living room.

Yeah? I can't. This chick, this chick is killing it. So funny. She's so damn funny. I mean, I'll be over here in the kitchen, but you guys are getting in the room. You know what I'm saying?

It's like, it's the same room. The same room. Right. So, uh, Malik comes over. She says like, hey man, here's the popcorn for you. That or not. Did she like, doesn't give it to them for a minute? I want to know how much of that is scripted.

Not all of it. No, she definitely played with that. Yeah. She definitely played with that. play with that. And then they're sitting down and they're watching the movie and she's in the kitchen watching them watch the movie. And they have a little bit of a tiff, right? She's like, I'm not going to do it. Like, why are you pushing me? That's what why are you pushing me? Just leave me alone. So she gets up, goes upstairs to her room. And Beth clocks that. Beth clocks it.

Yeah. Beth goes to talk to Deja first. And she goes, you want to talk about it? She's like, I don't want to talk about just tell him, please tell him to leave. Yeah. Right? She goes back downstairs, she talks to Malik. He's like, Malik, Deja would like you to leave. And he's like, all right. And he goes like, so what's going on? She's like, it's not my place to tell you. It's like, listen, you're asking my daughter to do something that's making her uncomfortable.

I think it is my place for you to tell me. He says, Deja wants to see her mom and she doesn't feel comfortable asking, right? And she's like, well, she of course would know that she could ask her mom, you know what I'm saying? Like, she could ask if she wanted that, and he's like, okay. And she's like, hey, man, don't be coming. You say okay like that, one more time. Yeah, because he does it a couple of times, right? Don't okay, man.

And he goes, why does she not feel like that? He goes, well, your husband ran for office. Because she did ask. Right, because she did ask. And you said, we're busy. We've got a lot going on. Yeah. And he goes, okay.

Because he says, okay, what time. So he goes, your husband ran for office. You decided to, you guys move the whole family to Philadelphia. You opened up your own. own dance studio, like, you had time for all of that. But you don't have time for her to see her mom. And that was kind of a bit of a mic drop moment because he wasn't disrespectful. Like he was just sort of articulating what has transpired, what you do have time for and

what you said you have time for. Once again, another head fake that you think Malik is trying to pressure into something she doesn't want to do. And it turns out he's like the best husband. Yeah, you should feel comfortable to ask your parents to see your birth mother. Yes, is it. So she goes back upstairs and says that, of course, we can find time for you to see Shawna. Yeah.

And she's like, I don't want you guys to feel like I don't appreciate what you guys have done for me or whatnot. And Beth is like, no. We drop the ball on it. You know what I'm saying? And she said, if you want to go see it, it's totally fine. She's like, actually, I was wondering if she could come here for Thanksgiving. Beth was like, didn't expect that, but. Okay.

So she comes back downstairs. She's saying goodbye to Malik and Beth standing in the hallway to the kitchen. She's like, all, I'm going to the pantry for 30 seconds. You all will be unsupervised for 30 seconds. That wasn't even 30 seconds. It was like enough time for them to have a quick peck. She's like, okay, that's enough.

That's enough. Okay, that's enough, Malik. Go on, get out of here. Yeah. But it was very sweet. And she gave them just what they needed for that period of time, right? So that's the end of that one, right? Did we miss anything in that?

That's it. Okay. So then we have what's going on outside of rural Pennsylvania with Kev and Nikki and Cassie. So Kev is sort of in bed, and he's sort of reminiscing on the good old days with his dad, sort of playing with the parachute and the bed and whatnot. And he's also, we're trying to figure out, like, he seems a little comatose. He's out of it. And I'm trying to figure out exactly how this gets articulated.

So you guys remind me, but he's not feeling good about what he did in terms of hooking up with Cassidy. Yeah. Right. Surprise, surprise. He was intending to help her get her husband back. Right. And lo and behold, they end up sleeping together. And he's just like, have I ruined this person's life?

Yeah. This is, I seem to just make a mess everywhere I go. Right, right. And Nikki sort of all but confirms that and essentially tells him like, why did you do that? You are a human wrecking ball. Gives him a good audience dressing down. Kind of, yeah. Like, let me just say what our television audience is wondering.

And this is the first time we've seen this sort of device employed in this episode, but as Nikki's dressing him down, we sort of see Kevin imagining his father standing there dressing him down. Like, Nikki is a surrogate for his dad and how he believes his dad would be disappointed and how he sort of handled this situation, handled his life. We saw this device used back during his, the lowest point before his original, like, sobriety journey on the show. With the coach and, yes, and that number one episode

that we all love so much. Yes. But it was just interesting now to see Nikki, who is kind of this surrogate for his father anyway, this close connection. The only thing he has in his life tangibly that is his father, seeing him sort of flip into Milo is really interesting. I loved that. It's like, it's a powerful device. Nikki comes to the trailer looking for Kev because it's also Kiss Court Day. Yeah.

Right? He's a little bit nervous about it, got himself spruced up, whatever. goes into the trailer and sees that Kev's not there. Trailer's a little bit messy. It looks a bit unkempt. Like, you know, he's a little bit cleaner than this normally. He gets on the phone and he calls Cassidy. He's like, have you seen the kid?

And she's like, no, but I'm dealing with some other stuff right now. She's like, look, I got my court date today. The kid's not here. He's not picking up the phone. That's not normally how it goes. And she's like, what do you expect from me? He's like, look, how many times have I called you? And the answer is none.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I need help. And she's like, I'll be right there. Yeah. Okay. I think the next thing we see is Kevin at the bar. Thank you.

Go for it. He's at a bar. Thankfully, just drinking seltzer. Oh, thank God. Yeah, he's like, you know me another sparkling water seltzer or whatever. And then. There's these two guys. God.

Talking about how. What is he doing? He sucker punched Sidney Crosby for like looking at his wife the wrong way. Some guy is in a bar telling some tall tale about his toughness. Yeah. And Kev turns around, and he's like, so you expect us to believe that you sucker punch like the greatest hockey Pittsburgh penguin's ever played the game? He's like, yeah.

He's like, well, that's bullshit. That didn't happen. That didn't happen, right? And he goes, to tell you what, bro? He goes, I bet you $20 I could get your wife to undress within like the first so ever minute. 20 minutes. You know what I'm saying? And he's like, yeah, make it even less than that.

Yeah. And the guy steps up and Kev's like, there you go. Like the dude... He wants a fight. He wants a fight. Yeah. Right? And then he exit on and then my man throws a punch and he doesn't move to block it.

He doesn't move to fight back. He just stands there to take it. He just wanted to get hit. He wants to punish himself right now. A good addict or really anybody in any kind of pain. And I see this in myself too. Yeah. They want, it is comforting if our external world resembles our inner world.

Does that make sense? It does. Like, if I am in pain, then I need to be in pain. If I feel like a piece of shit, then I'm going to act like a piece of shit. Yeah. There's, there's like something about, like, you know, there's an external, there's an externalizing of it that helps regulate. Like, if I feel this bad inside, then I'll just have a messy apartment or a messy car. Yeah.

Like if my environment is messy, then it reinforces the fact that it's okay for me to feel this way. Okay. And you can just see him like needing, like he needs, he needs, I had a, I have a very good friend who in his would seek fights. Really? You know, not not to hurt other people. Sure. But for them to hurt himself. But to feel pain, right?

To feel physical pain, you know. And it's, and it's, it's really difficult to watch and it's obviously really difficult to watch. Kevin, but he's like, he's looking for it. Yeah, he's making trouble. He needs, he needs some emotive pain. Yeah. Yeah. They, um, they find him.

They find him. He's walking down the street. He's got the scraw on his face, what have you. Cassidy asked, or it looks, like, you know, I didn't, I didn't drink and, you know, he didn't win the fight either. They, uh, they go back to the trailers and, and Kev, turns out he completely forgot that it was Nikki's court day. Yeah.

Right? And he's like, dude, like, I've been going nuts over this thing. This is like one of the biggest days of my life to, like, see if I'm going to be free to move about in the world. And you just... My character witness. Right. You just drop.

Yeah. The character witness is. And again, we see the device of Jack popping in in this moment just sort of chastising disappointingly about it. And Kev's just disappointing everybody. Yeah. And he starts to. talk. And this was an interesting moment because I was like, why has this episode called this?

And he says, you know, there's a point when you're a kid where I'm sorry sort of takes it all away. It's this grand gesture and this admittance of something and things change. And for some reason, like as an adult, it doesn't hold the same water, yeah. No. And I sort of to think about that, like even in the course of my own marriage or whatnot. And there is repentance and apologizing and being sorry but sometimes if you say sorry and you don't change your behavior

then it's almost like manipulation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? It has to be, there has to be an evolution of the amends processed, not just exhibiting regret, but also presenting the injured party

with some kind of penance or is there anything I can do to make this up to you? Right. Or in the future, I will blank. You know, there has to be a... Yes. Yeah, some sort of recourse.

In addendum, too, right? We see Kevin Cassidy. She's putting a little makeup on his wound. And she tells him because she can see he's carrying all this. Like, dude, it wasn't you who destroyed my marriage. I did that all by myself, right? Like, she's taking ownership. Like, we're two grown-ass people.

Yeah, absolving him of that. You know what I'm saying? I laid down with you just as much as you lay down with me. Like, there's no reason for you to be going through this thing, right? We got Nicky's dressed and ready for. court, let's go ahead and be present for this, too. Because this is a bit, this is the same type of, it's not that alcohol. It's, it's the, it's the, that's the, that's the problem.

It's the self-centered thinking. Yeah. Right. You can, you can be sober all you want. But if you're still, either woe is meing about your choices with Cassidy or not thinking about why, I mean, the only reason he moved a trailer to this place. Yeah. It was to be there for the court date.

Totally. Yeah. And now, and so it's, it's just, it's an interesting. It's a very realistic kind of view at like, all right, it's not just about quitting drinking. It's about you have to change your way of thinking. You have to change the way you show up in the world. Right. And he does.

I mean, they show up in court. He's helping Nikki with his tie, which is a little bit of a mess. Nicky is clearly very nervous hand-beaten. He lovingly just, you know, grabs the hand, tries to calm him down, says it's going to be okay. And hats off to Griffin in this one. I love, I love like, give that guy monologue. I love, because Nikki, it always, the curve, like, it never comes out the way you think it's supposed to come out, but it always comes out exactly the way that it's intended to, you know what I mean?

Yep. The judge. The judge asks, like, you know, if he's remorseful, if he's, you know, sorry for what he did. And he basically says, no. He's like, that was like a turning point in my life. If I hadn't thrown the chair through the window, you know, I'd still be drinking. I wouldn't have started AA. My nephew wound up coming back into my life, and that's a net positive, you know.

And I don't know if there's anything else to it, but he's basically saying that, like, this event, while it may have caused harm, is, like, a turning point for me that I acknowledge and I am deeply appreciative for it. Any other parts? No, that's what I'm saying? It's essentially Nicky entering the second half of his life. Yeah. And we talked about a couple episodes ago, but it's like the same type of thing where it's like you has to have this fall, a real fall, some call it a bottom or whatever, a new rock bottom so that he can enter into this new era of being awake.

Yeah, he realizes he's sick and that like he had to let other people help him and take care of him. That's right. I pushed people away to keep from hurting them. Yeah. And to let people, he said, right, he says it because they put the camera, the camera cuts to Kevin and Cassidy, that you have to let people help you. Yes. Who want, who want to help you. Yeah, who care about you.

Yeah. Judge lets them go. Yeah. It's like, cool. I can't remember, like, there's stipulations, what have you, but she lets him go. Then we see Kev, Cassidy, and Nikki, and they're watching her husband and son at this diner. And she knows, she set up earlier, like, you know, they go to this diner, and I sit outside. and I wonder if it's possible for me to even go in,

and she never really works up the nerve to do it, and she just watches, right? So she's watching them at the diner. Kev's about to go back to L.A., it seems. Cassidy thanks him for being a part of her community, because she talks about what she had in the military was all these brothers and sisters in arms who were united for a common purpose,

and she felt a sense of belonging, like a sense of community. And she hasn't felt that way for a while, but she has felt it with Nikki and Kev. And so thank you for being a part of that, right? And she tells him, before she decides to walk into the diner, he says, I hope you find your happy ending, Kevin. And he says, I hope you find yours too. And she sits down with her family and he eats together.

Yeah. And it's beautiful, right? They set that shot up like a painting, by the way. It looked. It was great. It looked almost like that famous painter, the painting of that diner. Yes. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Last thing we see is Kevin Nicky and at the trailers. And he says he's about to go to his brother's house for Thanksgiving before he goes to L.A. He says, you should come. Yeah. You should come. Come to Thanksgiving. We're assembling the Avengers for an Avengers Thanksgiving.

You know how we do Thanksgiving, Bigdorf. And you see, Jack pops in at the same time as Nikki's saying to him, hey, you're a good kid. Oh, that got me. And it's just what he needed. Yeah. Right. That's all any of us are people. Yeah, right.

To hear that. To hear that I am good. From, almost from anyone. Yeah, but especially. You are good. Seriously. You're good. You are.

But like from your mother, your father. Yeah. Yeah. People that know you and love you. Yeah. It's beautiful. Yeah, and it kind of then goes back to that montage of like Kevin and Jack when Kevin's like four, the parachute.

Yeah. It's beautiful. Yeah. And what just happened, Ray, if you're watching, that should be your performance art piece. We're going to put Mandy Moore in like the, the Met in New York and you can just sit across from people

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With Tobias. I'm beginning not to like, I don't like CrossFit Toby either. But also what I'm noticing, and it's such an interesting use of the empty space, empty space which is like Toby and Kate are like the storyline is less present in these few episodes and that absence helps when they do show up and there's these like weird talking about food talking about like it makes the tent the little bit of tension yeah that much more like oh wow that something's really off yeah we used to see them all the time where are right right right right where are they yeah yeah right yeah right they are not even in the show

You know what I mean? I hear you. Yeah. And when they are, this is what we see. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, I never felt a lack of presence from my, but I felt when you are present, things weren't good. That's what I mean, but I just mean like the lack of presence helps emphasize that.

I hear you. Sure. Right? I hear you. Like, we're not even seeing the jokes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we're used to Tobias being the comedic relief. But it's subtle.

It's like this turning of. of the ties. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So talk, talk about, we start off, they're trying to, they're talking about Jack's first, he's taking. All of his firsts, yeah, first steps, first, whatever, trying to like, Toby, yeah, and Toby wants to be there, but he's not, he's off to work, he's, blah, blah, blah, and they're trying to get him

to eat banana. Yep, right. He doesn't want it. He doesn't want it. Not feeling a banana. And so Toby then announces, well, I guess we'll just have to wait until I get home to keep trying. Yeah, he said boob juice.

Yeah. Which, let's not. Is that not what it is? Let's not call it. Let's not call it boob juice. No? I just, I was like, wow, that is. Wait, what do you call it?

Breast milk? I don't know. Gross. Milk? Just milk? Milk. But boob juice, I was like, okay, horn dog. Yeah.

But it's also, it wasn't that he just had to go to work. He's like, I got to go get this workout in before work. Right. Yeah. And there's, and you see. Kate being like, all right. I'm going to keep trying, but he's like, if then I'm going to miss it, so it would just, yeah.

Yeah. It felt slightly selfish. Sure. Absolutely. Yeah, a little bit. I told you. And this is one of the first moments where I felt like, why is Tobias being this way? Yeah.

Yeah. Like one of the first times, I think, that I clocked within myself. Yeah. Same, same, same. Yeah. So Kate decides to go to her next door neighbor because they've been taking walks. Yeah. Right.

They've been taking their walks around the block. Which, by the way, we will be talking to Tim Omanson. Tim Omanson in this episode. Who plays Gregory. So it's going to be very, very cool. Can't wait. She knocks on door, he goes, you know what? I'm actually not going to make it today.

I'm having a bad day, right? And she's like, well, what does that mean? And he sort of says, like, what bad days are for somebody who's had a stroke and, like, it's just, it's not going to happen. And she goes, do you need some help? I think that's what she says. That kind of lets herself in. And sort of comes in.

with the baby. And while they're in there, they're talking about, she's sort of sharing the frustrations of what's going on in her household. And he's like, could you pass me, or could you cut this avocado for me because it can be a little tricky. I already have five good fingers,

don't wanna have less than that. She cuts the avocado. And she's talking about the firsts and how Toby wants to be there for him, but it's just sort of like, the baby's not taken to the banana and everything. And my man just sort of goes like, you know what, I know what kids like.

I know they like avocado. and he comes in, he's like, here you go, gives him the warning and everything. Like, clearly he spent time with this kid. Like, he knows how to let him know what's coming. And my man opens up and takes that avocado down like a sweet nectar from the guys, right? Jack's first solid food.

Has his first solid food. Celebrate, right? Yeah, except. All positive. All good. And she's feeling a little, you know, whatever about it. But I'm going to say this about this thing, because it plays itself out.

Before we go any further, I simply would not have told Toby, ever. I simply would have kept it to myself who cares. Because I didn't do it on purpose. You didn't even do it. I didn't even do it. It happened. So if my husband comes home and he is delighted with the idea that he got a chance to witness that.

Yep. Let that do that. Let him have it. Let it be. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Now, for those of you who think that that is like, but that's not being perfectly honest with that. If you know it's going to cause friction, then it's being kind.

I agree. And just let it be. That's not a hot take. We're all on the same page. Okay, thank you. I had to say that. We're all on the same page. Yeah.

Because what winds up happening is Tobias comes home. And he's got a whole bunch of things to try. And he's like, are these are perfectly ripe avocados? And she's like, yeah, they're from Gregory's tree next door. You know what I'm saying? And he's like, oh, the avocados are treated. Joe's all hard to anything. But these things that he cuts.

opening. He's like, all right, Jack, come here. Wait, let me get my phone. He's excited. He's about to record this whole thing. He sees it. My man opens up. And he's like, ah, snap, is his first bite. Completely excited. Oh, one of the thing. And Kate is looking like, but that's not the truth. Kate, who cares? I know. I know. What a sticker for the truth. How boring. Quit messing with this dude. This dude is having a moment. He's enjoying himself. Does she say anything in this episode? Nope. No, it's next episode. So that's where we leave. That's it. Okay, guys.

A lot of things are set up for our Thanksgiving episode. We know the Pearson's do it up for Thanksgiving. They do Thanksgiving big. It's at like a 12th. Holiday, right? Yeah, yeah. And we got a lot of interesting things moving into the episode. Get your favorite pilgrim hat out for the next episode.

Before we get into that, we'll be back with our man, Tim Almensen. We'll be right back with more. That was us. Today's fan segment is extra special because we are talking to someone who brought so much heart to their role on This Is Us, and we cannot wait to talk to him about it. You know, Ms. Gregory, Kate and Toby's kind and insightful neighbor, whose friendship with Kate was such a meaningful part of her journey as a new mom. Please join us in welcoming the brilliant Tim Olmanson. Tim, can you hear me? Ah, there he is.

Hey, my friends. How are you? Good to see you. How's it going, Tim? You know, it's really good. I'm so happy to be here talking to you guys. Oh, we're so happy to have you. Where are you joining us from?

The beautiful Studio City. It's a beautiful. Gorgeous. Love me some Studio City. Me too. You guys, maybe I don't know if I should say this or not. Now you've got to say it. No, I got to.

It's a bit of a spoiler because Tim also joined us for Season two of a little show called Paradise. Very excited to have him on set. Always a delightful presence. Very generous man. It's the truth. It's the truth. I am a soothsayer, sir.

It's all I'd say is the sooth. My question to you this first started off. Tell us a little bit about your history with Mr. Dan Fogelman. So, Paris, was actually the fourth project I'd done with Mr. Fogelman. Wow. That's crazy. That's how blessed of a man I am. Aw.

What were the first two? So let's see those gal, I'm a little short. show called This Is Us, and then, of course, Paradise was number four. Paradise is number four. I thought there was a four. Okay. That was three, though. Wait, Gallivant, this is us, Paradise.

I thought I already messed up my interview. Gallivant, this is us, and, oh, got only three. For somebody, it feels like it's four. No, no. It will be four. Yeah, it was a fortune-telling. You're just projecting into the future. That's it.

This is what Dan does. He collects people. He loves them. He likes to work with them multiple times. God, bless you. Mandy, since I last saw you, you've had babies. I've had babies. Thank you.

I know. We haven't seen each other in so long. I think I had Gus. Okay. But now I have Ozzy and Lou. Yeah. Chris has two kids. I mean.

Yeah. Everybody's got kids. It's pretty crazy. Time is going. Okay, Chris, congratulations then. Yeah. I think I actually message you on Instagrams and said congratulations. I mean, I forgot this.

Yes, you did. There you did. You're the best. But Sterling still does not follow me on Instagram because I have pictures to send you from Paradise and I can't do them. Holy cow. Call him out, Tim, call him out. Let's rectify that right now. He's getting a five-to-fying this shit right now.

Hold on. Some co-star, you are, Sterling. I suck. The main reason I want to do this show is considering to follow him. I'm a terrible human thing. You should see a DM in there saying, follow brother, man. Come on.

I just saw you on. Follow back. Hold on. It's happening. On that complete, it's the interview. Thanks a much for joining. That's it. I'm good.

And he just like his Zoom cuts out. Wait a minute. So you got me nervous. I'm misspelling names. It's O. U and D.S. I got it. It's T-I-N-I-N.

It's T-I-N-R-E-N-E-N-H-N-E-N-H-E-N-T-E-N-E-N-T-E-N-O-L-LIN. So, I've totally thrown this off the rails already. I'm so sorry. No, I love that. How did acting find you? And then how did you meet Dan Fogelman? And how did this as us come back into play for you? Act as I was one of those things.

I wasn't good at anything as a kid. And don't know what him now. But it just, acting family, I grew up in Seattle and just started to discover the theater when I was about 12 years old. Like, so you said in the Toby episode that you have a degree in theater, and I think you said that you have a minor in overacting. Yeah, that's right. We went to the same school, like I have those same degrees. I came down to LA from Seattle when I was about 12, 18, right out of high school and got a theater degree.

And it was all planning to be a classical actor because, of course, that's what you come to L.A. for. Sure, sure. It makes sense. Especially when you can grow beards like us. Yes. See, he knows. So I met, first minute, Mr. Fulgeman, in the audition room for Gallivan, and somehow got this job. I hadn't done musical since high school.

Wow. Which pissed off all my New York actor friends to no end. Of course it did. Because Gallivant, for those that don't know, was a musical comedy. It was freaking fantastic. It was so good. Two, I think, right? We just did two, unfortunately.

Freaking... Three in our hearts. Gorgeous and hysterical, and I don't know why it didn't last longer than it actually did, but yeah, it was fantastic. I would just say, The Fools at Disney, ABC,

damn you. Yeah. Yes. But they just wanted to keep hiring Dan, so who keeps hiring me, so all is good. I forget them. Yeah, Sterling is not permitted

to talk about the employees of Disney currently, so... Yeah. But I understand what you mean. Do you? But also... Not too much. You don't understand too much.

What's going on? Big Bob, my man. Thumbs up. Yeah. So then you came on to our show, and it sort of echoes like something that transpired in real life. I don't know how comfortable you are talking about. I'll give you warts in all, man. Please and thank you.

I'll give it to you. So you got warts. Grumpy Gregory was basically my life. Yeah. Without, of course, an extra neighbor is like that. But so I had a massive stroke in 2017. Have you already done episode three unhinged? Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Okay, so that opening scene with where Gregory is introduced, and he has that monologue about his stroke is pretty much word for word what I had said to Dan. Yeah. So I had this massive stroke in 2017. Almost, literally almost died. I had to relearn how to everything, how to walk, how to talk, how to chew food and swallow. So it was like, I mean, I'm sorry.

I don't mean to make it's all about myself, but I'm an actor, so. Go for it. And we're here to talk about you. We're here to talk about you, and we ask. Please. Okay, then I'll give you that. I'll give it all. So I, um, I was in really bad shape.

We, the stroke was so massive, we didn't actually even know if I was going to walk again. Hmm. And this was, so this was eight years ago, cut to, um, years of rehab. And while I was rehabbing, um, our C-2 show runners, uh, John Hubbard and Catluck. We know John, of course, from Paradise. eyes. Yep. So they were keeping Dan some of her prize my recovery. And I was at a alternative, I was at a dinner party with my co-stars, Karen David's house. I was, I mean, I couldn't even stand out of a wheelchair, let him walk. So to get into the house of this dinner

party, all the men had to lift me in my wheelchair over the threshold to get into the house to get to the table. And a little man named Chris Koch was there. I mean, a very tall man. We know. So Chris was there and he said, you know, Dan and I were talking. We thought maybe we could have be on the show. And I thought, well, that's never going to happen. Literally, I thought, well, maybe that could be a guy in, in a wheelchair in Jack's office, never thinking in millionaires, this was going to happen. Yeah. Cut to, like, 29, well, now it was 2017. No, sorry, it's still 2019. My 50th birthday party.

John and Kat and Chris Cottier there. And I, um, I give a toast to my wife, my dear wife Allison Cowley, who you've met. She loves me. Yeah, she's the best. Wonderful. the best indeed and um this was two old fashions in i got to say and i was able to give like mike i could after the stroke i could hardly speak yeah and chris record videotape us and afterwards said you're ready sent it to dan and said he's ready a few months later i get a text from dan i think in my therapy clinic saying um hey man i think about writing a character deep

in recovery from a stroke i was like put me in coach and then we had a conversation like but if we're doing this i want to show all that like let's show as much of the real world as it is so that opening speech of explaining to Kate and Gregory took quite a bit of guff

for being cranky let's remember why was he so angry at the beginning because Toby was interrupting his one attempt his minor attempt to walk in one pathetic mile so he was just

he was so hell bent on his recovery that this was impeding So he was a little grumpy. Yeah. Let's also say we not understand when people take up the sidewalk, they're bad people. So Toby was doing a bad thing. You're entitled. Okay, Senate, we're for no fair.

So, again, that first day, I mean, it was, I was still, I mean, I was so honored to be on that show. And I was honored to have you guys, truly honored to have you guys ask me to come on your podcast and talk about this character. Because it was a pivotal life-changing moment for me. How so? Yeah. Did it just, did it remind you, like, I am an artist, I am an actor, I can do this, I want to do this? Did it, like, motivate you in your recovery even more? Like, I'm just curious for the...

All of it. I mean, I was in the throes of an exorcist. I identified myself as an actress as I was 12 years old. Right, right, right. I had been working in the industry for 30 years and suddenly couldn't stand up, couldn't do anything. And in theater school, I was sort of nicknamed El Voce. I had this sort of classically trained theater voice could hit the background. And still, it's still kind of, even the listener amount of speech,

it's still sort of stilted and in my chest a little bit as opposed to down where it was. So I didn't know if I was ever going to act again. And my, prior to Gallivan, I spent eight years on a show called Syke. Yeah, of course. And my amazing Syke family built a film around my character having a stroke. So they're the first ones, put me really back to work. And I had this short of six senses and actors. Like, I always knew my cameras were.

I knew my angles and new lights, just everything. And now I've got a, I have a vision break on my left side. So I'm kind of blind on my left side a little bit. And I could walk on a set and just take a quick look around and know where every camera was. I'm like, where, I just, you know, it was taking that Malcolm Godwell 10,000 hours. I put it in that was suddenly gone. Yeah. I had this superpower.

I'd be able to look at my sides once in memorable lines. my first day on set of psych that realized quickly that power is gone my visual power is gone and really had my psych family there to catch me and they just gave me the chance to relearn how to work

and I actually had the stroke while they were in pre-production for the first movie and my showrunners critic Steve Franks and James or Dave Rodriguez hold up in a restaurant and rewrote the movie

in three days so I could be in the movie and get my health insurance are you serious? They wrote it so it was just, actually, we shot, because I couldn't travel, we shot in this room here, we showed my little guest's house. So they brought the Mount of Muhammad and wrote me a cameo partner so with, so I could have a screen, a FaceTime call with my dear partner, my friend Maggie Lawson. So I just have a cameo in the film. But it allowed you to keep your health insurance.

So I could get my health insurance. So, I mean, I could barely speak in the, in the thing. Couldn't walk at all. And it was, it was, I watch it now. I was just, it was, and I unfortunately, I had to shave my beard for it. And I looked like, I looked like, uh, yeah, it was all, because I was always clean shaven for a psych. And suddenly it was, you're decularity making a little more jolly. And I looked like, hey, um, the, on the, the robotic, um, FDR in the Hall of Presidents

at Disney, which my acting was, was just as stiff. Oh, Tim, come off it. That's hilarious. I am paid them money to, um, let me grow my beard back. for the subsequent films. It's a good look on you, I have to say. You look very distinguished, sir. Shout out to Rodei. I know that he's a good dude.

He is a great dude. Oh, the best. Dude, so I'm just curious in terms of the rehab and anybody who's gone through what you've gone through, like, how long was it before you were able to get to the hospital between the initial time of the stroke or what have you in terms of just discover, were you by yourself or were you with your wife,

for you with family when it happened because I know sometimes people are by themselves and then it takes even longer time for them to get, you know, help. And that can be a big determining factor in terms of getting back to recovery. Well, I mean, I was blessed in that. I have an incredibly supportive family and a circle of friends that I was buoyed through this entire process and spent four initially four when we're the intent of years in rehab, at least four, learning how to do everything again. And so that the day we're driving to a set after getting this job,

and I'm still glad I gas did it. Dan hired me for it. We were driving on Goward, and we were shockingly running a little early. I say shockingly, because you know those call times with kids, we're so ridiculous. Yeah. So we had an extra 10 minutes before we got to pair of mine.

Allison pulls a car over. And she says, you know, a few years ago, you almost died. You're now driving to the set of the number one show on television. and so we just sat for five minutes and just took that and let that kind of let that milestone really just wash over us and then got to set and again it's just

I'm still walking like a baby like a newborn fawn I watched back that episode the other day and it was shocked by how dark my hair was and just how slowly it was moving but the great thing is that Dan was on set for me Yeah, he was. Which I took it such an honor because he's so busy.

I know he doesn't make this a lot. And there's the line where, sorry, I'm talking about it, totally the wrong episode. It's fine. No, continue. After I have that opening monologue. Yeah. To Chrissy and I said, this is me walking away. That was Dan Fulgman shouting that line out to me. It's a good line.

Yeah. Which was, we did a lot of that on Galvan. It just felt like being right back with, in who I was with. I realize I'm best, I'm better improvising when I, than, scripted lines. Okay. So, Mandy knows that. Whenever I could, I would always put in a little button. So the sound

about the show, we were like, oh, Tim's the guy who always says an extra line at the end of the scene. We stopped, we shouldn't be stalking, which for a guesser is a bold move. You're always welcome on our show to do that. It's better to ask forgiveness than permission, I'd say. Yeah. Yeah. Do it. No one was going to say anything. So the final line of that episode with Chris and I, we started taking our walk,

when I say we're going to look like the toughest toughest gang in the neighborhood, I must say that was mine. Nice. That's a good one. That's a good one. I like that one. You had the spirit of Fogelman blessing your improbs.

I knew Dan would be there to be okay with him. Yeah. Do you look back at those early episodes and realize how far you've come in your recovery day? I do, actually. I just, this episode, let's take back to this, this episode in particular, the first scene where I'm late for the walk

and Chrissy comes up to the door. Yeah. Yeah. And what really struck me is how stilted my voice is. And at one point I turned out of the house and said, come in. And, like, close the door,

you'd let in the bugs in. Again, my improv. But I noticed, and I still had to move my head to the left, so I was just so stiff. Acting was like, I was wearing a suit of armor with the visor down

so I couldn't see and it couldn't move. So everything was incredibly, just everything was, I ran to reagan on how to do everything again. Yeah. In real life and then in acting. Is it exhausting? Is it invigorating to make progress?

What has the process of rehab been like for you over this past several years? It's been excited, but I'm so, I mean, I'm just, I am driven to get back to life for my daughters. I love that. And to get back onto a set. Like, and so, I mean, Sterling, when you do the Paradise Pod, yeah. Tales from the underground, tales from the bunker. Yeah. I will tell you many stories.

I mean, that show was really an incredible learning experience for me because I'm still trying to figure out how to do this. Yeah, yeah. No, so I think my, I don't know who the host of that podcast will be, but it may be a woman who's married to me inside of my house, and I'll tell her to make sure to have you on the show so you guys can chop it up. Please, please do that.

It was, again, so much like this is us was a turning point my, not just my career in my life. And we had, we'd kept every, we'd kept the stroke really, really quiet. Yeah. And the fact that it was wheelchair-bound, because we, you know, we didn't know what the perception would be. So, um, the very first time I was ever kind of like publicly, um, out as a disabled person was, um, the Vanity Ferry Party for season four. Okay.

Where I actually walked the red carpet for the first time, which was, and I still, I look like, I looked, I was looking at a picture of this one. I looked like a deer in the headlights. My eyes are quite focused where they are. But let me just tell you a story about your, your co-host, if I may, Mr. Brown. So Sterling, and I told you this in the you make-mature of the paradise, Sterling did me one of the greatest gifts of kindness I've ever received. So I'm at this party feeling, which first of all,

I was like, as a guest, like, how on earth did I get invited to this big shot vanity party at Spagos? So I'm sitting there, again, like, just freshly out of the wheelchair. It's kind of propped up on a couch, feeling like a pair of brown shoes and a world of tuxedo's, just absolutely not fitting in. And Sterling makes a beeline for me, sits on next to me. And you say, man, I've been wanting to meet you. And you sat with me for like five minutes and chattice, so I didn't feel like a complete asshole at this party. And it makes me emotional think about it. It was just the greatest gift to me.

you just put me so at ease and made me feel welcome in this world and I wasn't good at those kind of parties even before the stroke so then to have one of the massive stars of the show would come and like make up on going I'm going to hang out with you for a second

was something I will always hold you my report bro there's some people who are like if you if you slight them they hate you for the rest of your life or they hate you until they die right but But I'm the guy, like, if you do me a kindness, I will love you until the day I die.

So that's you, buddy. You got it, man. It's the truth, man. Like, listen, I can't say I understand what it's like to have a stroke, but to feel like not 100% of yourself. And so you're judging yourself based off of what you once were. And now you're making peace with, like, who you are right now in the present. Like, even though you're doing me. I don't say making trying.

Trying. I hear you. But I'm saying that, like, the work from Thespian to Thespian is great. Yeah. It's great. Like, it's fully lived in. You know what I'm saying? And though, like, you can't possibly, you know, do maybe some of the acrobatics that you once did. Like, the timing is there. Like, the sense of humor, right? Like, it's curmudgeonly, but it's lovingly curmudgeonly. Like, all of the shit plays in a beautiful way. And I was just like, it takes balls to say, like, you know what, even though I may not be what I once was, I still love it and I still want to do it and I'm going to show you who I am. Yeah. Like that shit. I'll figure it out. I can't wait to watch this episode back because I just want to be able to play it on a loop.

No, I'm serious. That is such a gift what you just gave me. Because it was, it's terrifying to go back and it's like, I mean, it's one thing to work with friends. and that's why having Dan on that set that first day my very first day at work was just such a gift but then even yeah I mean Paradise was our crew was or your crew was as you all know

the same crew from this us almost to the person and I swear Dan I put out and I was saying everybody takes care of Tim because these people just lifted me out literally our key grip was lifting me up in and out of cars for certain sets for certain scenes because I couldn't I was still just too fragile.

He's a big man, Chris. You all need to come to the one-man show that I'm writing right now that Rode is producing and directing. Oh, what? When is this happening? When I finish editing the first rap? Well, breaking news, we're all going to be there. Opening night.

Man, that's so exciting. Give us the tentative title of the show. The working title is, thank God it happened to you. I like it happen to you. Which you've got to come to the show to find out what that's about. Oh, I love it. Can I ask you to, have you heard from people that maybe have been in a similar situation or have, like, I'm just curious what the feedback has been from folks that may see you and see all you are capable of doing and what their, just what their interaction with you is like. Yeah.

See, now, this is the incredible power. of your show. After it, it dropped, I got messages from all of the world from Federal Strokes Survivors, like seeing them portrayed on set or seeing them getting to see themselves. That's why there's such responsibility with a role like this and what I'm doing now. It was incredibly gratifying. And I said to Dan, like, just, you know, this is what you're doing. You are bringing this representation out into millions of people in the world. Yeah. Absolutely. And I recently did a I did this new recovery boot camp that I put on my Instagram, this whole journey that is. So to go from a guy who was like, literally like Gregory, when I walked, just one pathetic mile,

earlier this summer, I was able to hike running in Canyon again with this therapist. Unbelievable. It's incredible. Let's go. So the whole story, it's in my story. It's true of my stories. And that was, and again, I put it out there just so publicly because I wanted people to see, like, this is possible. It used to be think the school thought was once you have a stroke, you're done, it's not like they put you in a better institution and you're never getting better. So eight years later to see that I can still be able to like get up a kind of horse and hike again and they're like, oh, and my wife really wanted me to make sure people knew that.

So my stroke was such an anomaly. I had a corroded artery dissection, which like Toby, I was, we don't know exactly what it was, but we think it's probably a, I was. I was working at a CrossFit, and I did a really heavy deadlift that was just too much. And so somewhere in that exertion, I tore my artery. So is that where the stroke happened while you were working out? No, it happened actually a week later. So eventually a clog, blew it. I was 47.

It was in the best shit in my life. He used to hike running with my dog every day. And then I would say, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition is Montypaitha. And this just happened and threw everything upside down. dude well you look incredible you sound incredible and and when you do rewatch this episode i mean even in even in these few episodes the difference in your recovery from when gregory first appears into this episode you can see the gains and the progress that you're making and today is a completely different man standing before us yeah oh chris thank you man i watched it i watched it

yesterday morning yeah you did absolutely yeah it was so there was a couple of was really stuck out to me, which was, as I mentioned, the bringing Kate into the house. Yeah. And then we moved to, we got to talk about avocado gate. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Get into it.

We were just discussing it how Kate should have never said anything to Toby. Just let it be. Well, she didn't say anything, did she? Because I was looking for that. It's in the next episode. Okay. She's so overcome with guilt that she just asked. to say something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is so Kate. That's so Kate. That's so true. Just let it be. Just let it be. It's a tiny white lie. You didn't do it.

Gregory gave him the kids some avocado. So what? Let the moment live. Oh, gosh. But later in that scene, or no, it's part of that scene, when she brings him the cup of coffee, and I make a joke by the surface in this place.

Yeah. And I say, I'm really happy you're here. And she said, this is a really important moment. She says it really because it doesn't look like it. Right. And I say, I know because since the stroller kind of trouble making my face, my voice, express gratitude and empathy. Yes.

Which was a real-life thing that I actually spoke with James LePorter at Ball. Okay. And actually, he had a conversation about this afterwards. But I remember saying that I don't know if I spoke to Dan about it, but it is a genuine thing like empathy, and it's still to the stay. Empathy is like making my face, we'll do anything he used to do is difficult because I feel like a mask. Like, that's the visor part of the arm or down.

Yeah. So I was so glad that they put that in there because I wanted to really, really get that out there for other. It's not just the physical, it's the emotional and vocal stuff. Like, it is really hard at times for me to express empathy, which it's kind of the main tool an actor has in their bag. Sure. Like, without that ability to express empathy, even most likely is impossible.

You know, that's interesting because, like, I think the line does go a long way, because my experience is there's still a felt thing. there's an exchange of energy, you know, regardless of whether or not your face can do certain sort of contortions. Like, anytime I'm in your presence or whatnot, like, I feel very much seen and appreciate it or what have you. And, like, there's something that transcends just what the shell is capable of doing. There's something that the soul has that's able to reach out and connects to another soul. I totally agree. And you have that in spades.

Yes. So you're fine. You're fine. I think that's something I'm now trying to embrace more of the, okay, so I can't, my face, and I can't do the vocal gymnastics I used to one time. Yeah. I'm not doing shapes but the back row. Right.

Again, because I moved to L.A. instead of New York. Yeah. Luckily, there isn't any here, so don't worry about it. Yeah, yeah. I wish they had told me that when I was applying for the theater school. Yeah. Yeah, man. But, and I was sort of known for like, certainly on psych, it was the eyebrow.

I could. I hear you right. Laster's eyebrow. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. I can't do anything. It's all sort of fruit. Now everything is just like two eyebrows.

Everything's constant surprise. I've had a bad face with. We work with what we got. That's all I can do anyways. Yeah, you work with what you have. Can you, do you can do? I can get one. You do both.

I can get the other. I got you. I happen to embrace that stillness has been, uh, yeah. And actually, Corbent Brunton, my, my dear co-star from Syke, who's a very, he's sort of our papa bear on the show. You know, we're talking when I was like, yeah, forget the fucking I row. It's like so, sorry, I dropped a bomb. That's all right.

He's like, forget all that bullshit. Yeah. I just, I just doubled down on the story. I'm sorry. Fuck it, bro. Fuck it. Who gives a flying fuck shit. Okay, all right.

Okay, all right. He's absolutely right. It's like, now it's just like, we're just trying to be like, what is the trueness and what's the, what's the exchange of energies between people? Yes. Yeah. The essence. Yeah.

Yep. Whether I'm saying it with the Lithuanian accent or I don't know where I pulled Lithuanian out, but. Lithuanian, perfect. Which I could never do, even before the strike. Prestroke. Yeah. It might be easier now. Who knows?

Dude, Tim, thank you for joining us today, man. Thank you for sharing your talent with us. Thank you for sharing your story. It goes such a long way. And we so enjoyed you on the show. And it's such a blast to see you here. And to be able to follow your recovery on socials. Can you let people know besides Paradise and this one-man play that we very much look forward to?

Is there anything else that we can look out for you, like other problems? projects that you have percolating, and how can people follow you and your journey on social media? It's mostly just my Instagram was, and then, of course, I have a, I don't know why I said a course, but I have a psych we watch podcast that I do with my co-host, Maggie Lawson. Nice. All right. Podcasts or podcast.

And the one-man show came about from our very, I know you guys are about to do The Wiltern, right? We are. We are. So we did Sketch Fest about three years ago, and it was my first time on a stage. and Allison was there My age who was there and a couple friends were there and like I said like the second

I walked on stage and the light hit me like a switch flipped and I became back to who that I mean have a guy who's done theater hell yeah on stations I was 12 years old

yeah and I just the general was like this one I need to get back here I need to be back in front of people telling stories and making them laugh yeah

so that was the impetus for wanting to write this show I love it I can't wait so the psychologist are in drops every Thursday if you're a fan of this psych show great

we go back from the pilot and tell where all the bodies are buried. God. Love it. Love it, dude. And by the way, you have a new follower and apologies for taking so long. And can you let people know the socials?

What's the handle? Tim Olminton. It's just Tim Ommonson. Yeah. It's just at Ommonson. At Ommonson. Thank you. And, Andy, before those, you,

you were such a great director and you were such a blessing to use it. Much like, oh, sorry, I want to go back, prior to get back to you. There was a moment in the, avocado gate. It's actually cut out. What was it?

Because it's when I first asked Kate to cut the avocado for me. Yeah. And I said because there's a good chance I'll lose a finger. Yeah. I've got five work ones left. And she cuts it and I scoop in, I just probably give my little jack the bite of the avocado. I take

a scoop of avocado and eat it. And Rebecca, our director on that episode, really try to ask me to like read the like savor it and I couldn't do it. I could not physically make give this note get this beat and it

it killed because I was not like I was parted myself with if an actor or if a director or first lady came up to me and said hey Tim can you and my answer was always immediately watch this and I couldn't do it and it was the first time it really hit me where I was not able to also I couldn't hold the other call to my left hand

because that one doesn't work so to have that moment and just not be there. And then I had another one with you, Mandy, our very last beat of Gregorig in the show where it's a reaction shot of Gregory smiling. Yeah. And you kept giving me the direction to smile more.

And I couldn't do it. It was just, again, it was the two-eye bows up. But it just, again, it killed me to not be giving me that feat. Oh, gosh. You made it work. We made it work. Well, you were a blessing of a forgiving, kind person to have. So thank goodness you were directing me

and not a chair thrower. We had a lot of those on our show. That would be funny if Andy Moore was. I wasn't going to say name for you. He's a known chair thrower. Speaking of chair throwers in this episode, please something Griffin done got an Emmy nomination for Best Guster on this.

How could he did he not? He was so. I don't know if he ever did. I don't know if he did either. I don't think he did. We'll find out. We'll ask our producer if Griffin got our nomination for Best Guest Actor in the show.

Because you're right, he was great. He may have done too many episodes for guest actor. To be considered a guest actor. He probably had to go into the supporting. And that was Sullivan's territory. Yeah, Chris got all this support. Yeah, that was like, had that covered on our show. I told Griffin Dunn.

I was like, step aside. He said, I got this shit. I got it. I got it all right. This is Toby's house, baby. Yeah. Yeah, right. That's how good this show is.

I actually been watching yesterday. I kept watching even after my last scene. knowing full well I wasn't going to get to see my face on screen again I couldn't turn it off Mandy and Sterling that scene between you two when when you're trying to get her to really accept the help yeah

and I cried again years later back to this episode that scene I think it's the first time is it where Rebecca's when you got it struck to realize of Rebecca what she misses the when she miss identifies Randall as a congressman instead of a Yeah

Councilman instead of a councilman That's right So that just got me And my mom when she was alive Had Alzheimer's dementia as well So that really hit me as well So not only did it get to the joy of watching me That didn't sound arrogant at all

You can even see me back in action on the show yesterday I get to cry again watching you to being amazing Amazing actors that you are Bless you man By amazing human beings Because you know you're not a good actor unless you're a good human being. That's right.

Thank you, brother. That means a lot. It goes both ways. Exactly. Back at you. What a blessing this was to get to check. I'm so grateful you had me on. Pleasure was ours.

By the way, in case you didn't know, the smile plays beautifully right now. Oh, boy. Yes. It's good. Always great to see Tim. What an incredible addition to the podcast and, of course, to our show. Yes, sir. What a story.

him. Thank you for tuning back in. Don't forget, in January, January 17th, at the Wiltern Theater. Here in Los Angeles. Here in Los Angeles, California. We are going to be doing our first live episode of the podcast, followed by some live music. Sounds nice. At the Wiltern Theater. I like it.

We're all going to be singing. Two of us are going to be singing live. All three of us are going to be singing live. At least the white people. And Sterling. And me. Watch, we're going to make it happen. We're going to make it happen.

We'll make it seamless. That was. Us. That Was Us is filmed at Rabbit Grin Studios and produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Music by Taylor Goldsmith and Griffin Goldsmith. Da da da da da da da-da-dum. That was us.