The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - 85 SOUTH REPLAY: NICK CANNON in the Trap!

Episode Date: December 20, 2023

ORIGINALLY AIRED on August 11. 2023: Nick Cannon came thru the trap to discuss his start in the entertainment industry, creating Wild N' Out and more. He also tells the FULL story on why Karlous was terminated from Wild N' Out. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They had to put a tube down your throat. Yeah, that's one with him over going to tell me. Yeah, man, Chico went surgery. I was like, man, shut the fuck up. No, so they had to put a tube down and shit and open that bitch up. Yeah. You're a damn over a pretzel. One piece of pretzel, snow.

That's it. And that's all to take. So like I say, for me, it's different. Now, I got growing up with food allergy to them. Like, I don't, it's so much shit. I ain't never had. Like, niggie, you ain't never had a resease, nicker? No.

You ain't missing shit. He ain't never had a snickers, no, nah. They're delicious little motherfucker, but you ain't missed it. No, they're not. You'll be singing it's so hard to say goodbye. Right. It's so hard to say goodbye, nigga, hell no, fuck that. Fuck the peanut butter cups.

Nah, nah, fuck peanut butter in general, nigga. I'm eating with that, fuck. You can't even fuck with peanut butter brown women. No, that's different. That's different. I don't even know why you would just do that like that. It hit my mind. How about to say?

Why women are crazy? No, I don't do that. That's nuts too. You gotta be the chocolate. No. That's nuts too. That's all you first. Yeah, I can do that.

Yeah, I can do that. Jay Wynn, I think it's time for you to play us some pimping, man. Uh-oh. Mm. That's, that's what he liked. Yeah, he was, the whole time we've been talking. That way you know what you're gonna put your guy. All the time we've been talking, that nigga,

don't respect me. I'm about to drop this zoom on this knicker. What's that? That's that Commodore. That's my shit right there. Yeah. Yeah. That's back when Lina Richard had the streets on lock.

Hell yeah. That nigg was the coldest. You feel me? You killed that shit. That's the type of shit we'd be on over here, man. We just be vibing this shit, just trapped out. Come on. Get it in it.

I'm just saying y'all doing it for many moon. Come on. Oh, yeah. We've been doing this podcast shit before. for the niggas knew what a podcast was. We really kind of defined what it was, you know, for urban podcasts because it wasn't a whole lot of people out here.

And everybody else just follows suit. You know, it's like, you know, it's like, and get in where you fit in. You know, there's a need. Black people have voices and we need to discuss certain topics and certain capacities. You know, we need some niggas like us

who gonna talk that shit and bring it real. Then we need some niggas out here giving bad relationship advice. Then we need some ladies, giving their point of view on niggas giving bad relationship advice. Then we need some niggins and some women giving collective bad advice. Right. Then we got to see some people who spiritually uplift us, some black positivity,

some motherfuckers who entertain us, some people who are going to tell us how to eat better and get this money. It's all type of lanes that black people need to be in, and we're in ours. That's why we can move and do what we want to do because we ain't worried about what nobody else doing. Yeah. It's not fair. What a far. God. God.

Everybody had a star. Yes. In certain ways. But we got to bring the integrity back. And we got to make sure that everybody got the resources that they need to be successful. Come on. And that's the whole point of this platform right here. That's why we won't just be bringing everybody through here.

And we've really focused right now on bringing nothing but ghetto legends. Now people felt like the people said you're supposed to been here. Who star? And then we look up and I see you doing all these other podcasts and I took that person and I hit you and I said, Nick, he did take a person. Don't go on nobody else shit without coming to the trap. He called me one o'clock in the morning. You see this shit?

Do you see this shit? I'm like, bro, my eyes closed. What you're talking about? I'm like, he must be doing a favor for somebody because we really know this thing. Come on. Yeah, I told you, since I've been trying to get over here. First of all, this shit is in the trap. Y'all, nigga, it took me over an hour to get to- Ain't nobody tell you to be way to fucking out there

where you at? Where we're at? Where you work out there? We definitely way to fuck out there. We're definitely way to fuck out there. Ain't no way they charge you to go way out there. They had to ask you for a failure, because that's fucking far.

Niggas far. What happened to Tyler Perry, man? We ain't fucking, we shoot that Todd Perry. That's the most popular studio to shoot at in Atlanta. This one of us is booked up for years. Shit. Marvel and all of them. I'm gonna shoot over here.

Tyler, I talked to Tyler. I can't even shoot my own shows over here. We can't do Central State no more? Center State. Yeah, that wasn't big enough. And then, you know, they have venues, so they got shows and shit. Like, you gotta block that shit out for a month. That shit.

That was the ladies. We were talking about that shit the other day. We had a whole fucking club. We had a party after every episode. That shit was like a club, boy. I used to do that shit, too. that shit too I just liabilities it's just like I was like it was not having it yeah and he started them story not that not that particular you I mean I'm

just saying in general you know I mean like all it takes all the different you do something yeah yeah all the way but if you want to be technical that was the latest oh my lord I don't know no no y'all niggins ain't been around yeah no man I can't say that I can't say young niggins What did every last one on? Yeah, well, I say since they came back. I don't know about the old shit. That don't even count me.

Want nobody there to watch them. We were in high school, maybe that's a high school. All right, well, fuck it then. Without further ado, we got a very special ghetto legend in here with us today. Yeah. He got a long list of critics. He has literally done everything that a nigga can do in life.

Right. This man has an amazing life. He has at least 30 jobs. Right. Very entertaining. It gave all of us the opportunity to be better niggas. So it's an honor and a privilege

to have none other than that. Then who? Nick Cannon! And the trap! Man, track. Yeah. Nick Nick! Nick!

Nick! Yeah! Thank you. This man. All the way. All the way. All the way, man. Man, it's about fucking time.

God damn, OG, you're going to here. I told y'all was coming. You know, we knew a lead work together to come here. That's what we just did today. Yeah, I did. I asked him, we was on set. You know what I mean? We was walking off at the last show.

I said, Nick, man, where you come to do the podcast? He was like, man, let's do it. Let's shut it up. Let's do it. You know what I'm going. You know what I get the high pitch voice. You know, when he get the half pitch voice, I'm like, oh, he really coming.

He's like, let's go. Oh, man. all you don't have shit to worry about on the 85 South show every time you go on the podcast you say some crazy shit that gets the internet all riled up I'm probably gonna say some crazy shit here too all right fuck that's on you we gonna go viral it's on you that's what we do man this suit this suit loud as hell yeah and you know I'm loud that's I don't give a fuck I ain't never get you wear them shades I don't want to damn oh geez man you don't like much I do I do because I gotta go work tomorrow

But why do you have you with them? You wear a lot of shades, but them are your famous. My YSL, I love these shit, but I'm going to tell you because it's like when, you know, it's Clark Kent and Superman. Right. Like this is really the low-key look. This is I gotta be up at 5 in the morning, this is late at night, turban, star shades, but I look different when I get paid millions of dollars on TV. Facts. So this is, this is just the cover-up shit where I just tell.

But when you don't see me with glasses on, that's what I'm getting paid the most. So when you got glasses on, that means you don't really want to do it. Yeah, this the mascot. It's the, you know, keep the bag. You only can see my eyes when you give him in millions of dollars. There it is. The rest of you niggas is under suspicion. I don't know who this is I'm talking to.

I might be sleep under these ass. But see, that's the thing, like we didn't, you know, it's so. you know it's so crazy to have you here man guys said we came in this shit a decade ago like and we was crazy like me and loads talk all the time like just about that position that we was in and just in life at that time niggas was broop i'm talking about you brook brum i remember 50 60 dollars home and shit like so for you being a person that you know like you said gave us the opportunity to be better niggas like was that your intention for the whole time or was it just like something that you just was doing because like you said

you were a nigga that know how to get millions of dollars on television I know that's where I shoot I built the platform for to give niggas opportunity like even when I the early seasons when it was Kat Williams Kevin Hart D. Ray Atheon like I was just to be like look I was on I was doing movies and music and shit but and I had the the relationship at Viacom so I just was like yo let me create something to to put the squad on and it just started working so it was even by the time y'all came around it was that that's that's the MO you know what I mean like we just got to make sure and we're just keeping our eye out for cats who you know really had the sauce and really had the work ethic to

well I mean look what y'all built you know what I mean like that's that's that's that's the beauty of it all when you get when you say yo it's a lot out there to go get and motherfuckers really pay attention and go get it that's what it's here for the thing is though like you had to show and it went away and you didn't have a necessity to bring it back you didn't need it so what that's what I'm saying as far as what made you want to bring like to go that route again yeah man I was at the crib I was married I was chilling you know I mean I'm gonna be honest I had to start because I start paying attention to the battle rap world and I would see cats like con and clips and hit man and I just became a fan of it. I was like, yo, that's really what we used to do on Wiling Out,

but they took it and really just culturefied it all the way and took it, took it to a whole new level with the level of talent and even how authentic and grimy it was. I mean, obviously, niggas has been battle rapping since, you know, the Colcush brothers and Coomodee and all, you know, treacherous three, but the when we put it out there in the earlier seasons, the Wilding Out, we made it fun and you know it was me and Kanye and you know like it was really on some like paying homage to like the backpack type shit and then they took battle rap culture and like turned it into something and then shit after that i was like yo i should i should do this again with a whole new generation and i was inspired by that i was like if i'm gonna do it again i'm gonna flip it like

this. And I was all, you know, I was running the teen division of Nickelodeon at the time. So I was already over there. And even at one point, I was thinking like, like, let me just do like a while and out for teenagers or for kids, like on some more educational type stuff. So then I kind of stopped developing that. I was like, I'm going to just bring it back. And thank God. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Boy, appreciate you for that name. Yeah. Damn. And then that's what we did. We brought that shit back. I mean, shit. And y'all two is on, you know, the first iteration and then, you know... Two t-shirt season.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Two t-shirt, the 25-cent bag of chips. Yeah. But you know what, though, like now being there and being, you know, one of the... Well, how many of us left? It's just me, you, like five. E-Man and Khan, right? From that, from that original season five.

How many people was that, four? Mm-hmm. There's four. It's only four of us. Shit, it was, last time we took a picture, it was more than four people. My fuck is this. This will be disappearing. There, but it's like that process there. I use that as an example all the time because that was like gladiator school.

Hell yeah. In regards to the time that we came in, it's like, it's different now because, you know, the platform has grown and it took on a life of his own. But when we came in, Corey and them niggas was like, fuck it's this niggas. And you had to prove yourself in a way to where it was. It wasn't no writers. It wasn't nobody to help you. It was just... The comedians was looking at y'all like,

from like, especially like Spanky. Yo, I was, yeah, we, boy, you remember that shit? Yeah, I mean, for real, bro. Like, it was crazy. They really fuck with that, niggas? No, they were like, man, who are these niggas? Yeah, I wouldn't say, not in front of us. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, but their opinion never matter. If you're really gonna gauge what you're about to do off what a nigga like that say, that ain't never been my embo. been my M.O. Right. Them niggas ain't never impressed me. This nigger here.

And then this nigger came and it took their whole energy. It's not doing the same shit. He hate all the new niggas too. Who was there to like? Right. You can't name a nigger than that I was wrong about. You don't like nobody. They're not likable people.

You just be finding, you found a random nigger with a towel on his head. That nigga was, he was, uh, No, he was it. Yes, he was. He was terrible. It was called TikTok. It was called Musically. Hey, man, you should have left his ass on that app.

I tell you that. I'm talking about why. It was a kid. He was a young boy. Oh, no. I forgot what his name was. Oh, they had the Christian. That was a nigga.

Do you see how you don't even remember the nigger name? That's what I'm talking about. You should have left his ass on that app. Yeah, he loves no luck. Oh, man. He came back. is tying a towel around your head. Hey, that nigga, and I used to do some weird shit.

He used to, like, put his legs behind his head. Why, you impressed by shit like that? I'm gonna tell you why. This nigga is an asshole, bro. Like, this nigger. That should not be enough to be on wild enough. No, you gotta understand. This, Nick, I learned the first workshop

how much of an asshole this nigga was at his core. Like, people see the dick, that glass and shit. Like whoever up under there, that's who that nigger really is. Like, nigger, we in the workshop the first day, the first day, we walking around the shit or everybody walking around, this nigga got a shocker. You see, like a Batman building like this.

Shocking, motherfucker. Bruh, the nigger was trying to play a game where you sit in a deaf row electric chair. And you got a dog collar around your neck, nigger. And if you fuck up the rap, they shock your neck. I'm like, bro, what the fuck that I signed up for? I don't know if I want to make it this, babe.

This thing. That shit was funny as fuck. See, why don't it's going to do with it? Because the standards are practicing. They didn't want niggas to get hurt and shit. I'm glad you found me on the app. I bring my audition. He said, shit, just do so.

Yeah, it was funny. I'm like, what you want me to do? He's like, I don't know a nigga do stuff. I'm like, shit. If I wouldn't, if I, I, every, everyone ain't going to be gold. It's some fool's gold out there. This nigga was already proven by the time he got on wow.

Well, nobody, nobody gave me a shot like how he said. He said, I remember it was you, Nye and Shelby. Yeah. And a lot of comedy theater, nigga, they was in the, you know, Nye, giving her producer look, Shelby. Bro, I didn't even, like, oh, yeah, but just do something. I didn't even have a while in that audition. This niggas outside, outside, talking shit about,

I was like, who's this nigga in the motherfucking old school talking shit about niggins? Bring that nigga inside. And that's what we got. That's great. That's it. Feel the same niggins to this day. I've met this niggins. That's how he got your shot.

Who the fuck going in here doing all shit? Man, all y'all niggas is terrible. You're ugly. They don't like you. You too old. I was on them niggas' ass. Listen, I met this nigga two years before Wilden out. He was doing a fresh face as a comedy show.

Yeah. In New York at Gotham Comedy Club, and Dolly was working with him at the time. Him, Pete Davis. Me, Pete, and all us. came in new peat yeah i've been new pete you know i mean but um i came to do the show and when i came in to do the show the white man the own the club was like yeah i don't know who you are bro so you can't say this you can't say that you can't say i'm like niggin what the fuck type

shit is this right well one day pete sent me a message said man i would call you but i don't have a phone recently that was the last time i talked to it he said i would call you but i don't have a phone he damn sure said it that's correct I don't know but you know I didn't even know if I should respond or if he was gonna get it yeah fee I don't know what he sent it on right but so I'm I nervous is a motherfucker right so I'm like man everything that I thought I was gray say this man just told me I can't say right so I go outside my creative process always you know I duck off talk to myself so I'm outside walking around in the circle talking to myself this nigga pull up him and

Dorian pull up see me outside talking to myself just look like new york walk right in i go on stage do my set i come off he stopped me and say hey man you you just was outside making all that shit you just talked about up just now wasn't you because i just was talking about what just happened right like i got on stage and talk about the white man telling me i couldn't do my jokes and you let a white man tell you couldn't know no better i didn't know your thing is just like me i don't want that around i've been doing for two years at that time and i'm going up to new york for the first time not doing it This nigga here, boy, this nigga here is...

Man, what type of shit is... Gondromole off the first of my name. That's the shit you should have said. That's what I said when I got on stage. You should have said everything he told you not to say. That would... You want to rip that motherfucker. It's so talented.

And that's what I recognize. Yeah, he's on. Freestyle and rocked that motherfucker. And he let a white man tell him not. He ain't gonna let that go. I mean, it's... It might have been Puerto Rican. That might have been Puerto Rican.

No, he was no, he was a white man. Not to say. See, like I said, I'm still learning. I'm turning the comedy game. How fuck you gonna be a comedian, and you weren't prepared for this shit all week. And then the motherfuckers say, hey. Yeah, it's brilliant. Don't say that.

I don't see that. This nigga, this nigga, I can like a nigga, like a, a white man told me not to say nothing last weekend. Nigger, I was in 2010. I was doing open mics in Greensboro, North Carolina, nigga. They all right? He's fucking wrong with you. And he wanted the opportunity. Yeah, and I came up and did the shit, nigger, I get all stage.

Nick was like, man, was you just making all that up? I was like, yeah, man. He said, man, keep doing that. I'm around some of the best in the game. They can't do what you just did. And then we went to, I don't know if you remember this, we went to six flags the next day. Yeah, he was crying. Yeah, we went to six flags a day today.

She was scared of roller coasters. Yeah, she was scared of roller coasters. Nigger made her get on a roller coaster. It's an asshole, bro. I've seen this nigga at his car. So I'm... You a terrible person like that? I'm watching like that.

You made me eat a fish. What you mean? Just like me. Yeah. I ain't know. You're terrible, nigger. You just called you Gargabelle. I can't even rest.

I don't want to hear that shit. He's not right man talking about this shit. What the other? Yeah. I'm evil. Yeah, that's the case. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, I'm watching you at that time.

Mind you, I'm in all the way nobody. I'm just a nigger that's with a nigger that's with a nigger at that time. With too many niggas. No, it was, yeah, I was the last nigger. I'm with the assistant of the assistant. I'm like, ooh, I'm no seat. Let me stay back here so I'll overstay my welcome. I don't want to, you know, do too much.

So I'm watching him just as observing and I'm seeing him go, you know, he's VIP and everybody. They yelling on the speaker, don't hang over the rails and people going crazy trying to take pictures and shit. And I'm looking like, man, this is what success looks like in this game. Can I deal with this shit? And at that point, I was like, yeah, I can deal with this shit. And you know, at that point, I was like,

nigga, this is what I'm supposed to be doing. That is just the craziest shit I ever seen with this nigga. A white lady handed him a baby and walked off. What? That was before the kid. I'm telling you, this, we was out somewhere, and the lady just handed this nigga a baby. And he was like, who fuck baby is this?

A white baby? I know, that pissed you off. And it wasn't mine. No, that pissed you off. You hand that white lady, that white girl. No, it was like, man, this, I didn't. I didn't even know shit like this happened in America. I ain't never seen that shit before.

Where was y'all at? Trust a black man with your baby. Where was y'all at? Man, it must have been on them tour shows and such shit. She was on tour. Yeah, she wasn't just coming to give me a baby, niggins. I don't let it too or was. That person.

But people ask me all the time, what's the joke that went too far? Like, in the whole history of Wilder now? The one that went, I don't, I don't think there is one that went too far. niggas doesn't been talked about me dying niggas and talking about my baby mama I was like I but that's one of the things I got a thick skin you can't say nothing to really that's what I always give you credit for one of the main things that I give you credit for in our journey you know being you know people that you gave opportunity to a lot of niggas that's in your position to give you the opportunity then stand back and see what you do yeah and just let you go out and just you know

so a nigga not attached to it like oh he's some shit ah well I mean hey right here I mean catch you when I catch you but you stood beside us the whole time and allowed us to use a nigger that was already a superstar you know it let us come up in that regard that's true generation of wealth I just want to see niggas win I mean yeah that's really I mean you really tell them for 10 years hey and y'all that took it beyond television you feel me that we created this energy from from being over that hell yeah movies and fucking record labels all that shit y'all are killing it car you 85 stuff ain't a record label yet yeah yeah how about

to say yeah yeah we ain't going to terrible rappers and all that shit three terrible rappers fuck it this niggas we believe in that that's all that man i don't i don't get no terrible rap fuck it everybody else do it we ain't get no terrible rapper who gonna invest the money you're gonna invest your part of the money i ain't going to give a fuck i'm gonna cut that shit off and tell them but go home it's because you gifted though no you want somebody to be able to do see you all the same kind of term no no no no no see you're the same kind of terrible that's his goal we gonna find some terrible no hell no we find some niggins got talent that won't do this shit he's like

no let's find some motherfuckers who don't even care about this shit right what and then he just gonna talk on that shit to me and this nigger and just do exactly what he said this nigger been doing for ten years See, you're doing with a terrible dicks. He played, that's the Jedi mind tricks. See what I'm saying? See, you're really saying that's what I've been doing is finding terrible niggas.

What? You're saying some niggas that can't even rap better than me and Chico. Who? Nigger, name them! Y'all niggas do more than rap, though. Oh, man, I'm not one of that shit. So who just dedicate their life to that shit.

That's what it is. Y'all dedicating your life to being bigger than rap. We didn't dedicate our life to shit. This is part of what we do. But this is your life. Nah, this is just like one... What have you dedicated your life too, though? Pimpin!

Don't act like you didn't know this shit. The MEC and the pimping is what got me in the game. Talk to it. It was the gift of gap. You the instigator and the motivator. If I couldn't convince these motherfuckers that I'm better than what they thought I was, none of this shit exists.

The rejuvenator. I pimped this whole situation. If they second guess you, then you was a hater. They think this show is about a fucking interstate. Yeah. Yeah. Nigger, come on. You act like you don't see the pimping.

Nah, niggia, I've been seen it. They didn't fuck up and let me get a whole building with the square footage with security. Uh. Ain't no talking about what happened. They start pulling on my shit. This is it. Look at the couch. Yeah.

They could have got a new one. No, clean that one. Because we're bringing them baguetto royalty through here. We want niggas to feel like they take you out. Right. Come on, man. You kept in the game. Look at this floor.

You undedicated to like to. We didn't even done yet. Uh. They was about to put a Walmart over here. We told them no. This was supposed to be in Walmart. Come on, man. Hey, I don't do that.

I don't have them people coming back over here and like, wait a minute. Hold up, hold up. We were supposed to put a Walmart right there? Y'all is getting a Walmart. I didn't even know it. You got to go. Look, I don't look. Don't disrespect.

We didn't let a Walmart. I won't let a white man tell me. We ain't parted over the target and the rest of the motherfucker. You feel what I'm saying? That's all this. We'll wrap about that later. Yeah, we'll wrap about that. And then, welcome back to the 85 South show.

Today we are wilding out with none other than Nick Cannon, the most controversial nigger in the game. People only look at the good shit that he'd do and they ignore all the controversial shit that he'd be doing to. You gotta be likable, Loeb. Every time you look up, he and some shit. As long as they like you, they'll forgive you.

Nick, you'd be whaling though. I'll say, whaling out. You'd be flirting with TMZ ladies and shit. You can't just be out here saying this kind of shit, Nick. You do it. No, but nigga, you Nick, though, you be having, you be doing the most. They give a fuck about you. I'm in a comfortable position in my career where I can say shit and don't nobody give a fuck.

You say the wrong shit. It's on the news in the morning. They canceling deals. Can't nobody drink Sprite no more and shit. Don't never gauge your life off the shit I do. You are way more successful than me. I could never be to gauge. your decision-making.

But you always told me, you said, yo, just hire you to pay you to just keep a real nigger around. And I guess you found some other niggers. I was not suggesting nobody else. I don't know what the, why you listen wrong? That ain't- Elevated beyond that position. Now, you got to hire real niggas to be around you.

Keep you solid and thorough. I am not there you, Nick. I am the real nigger in my life. I take all the heat for my own decision. But your ass, you out here just fucking going crazy in real life, man. I mean, I'm enjoying it though. You probably shit. I've been to TV shows here now.

Shit, I stopped counting. You stopped counting. So what's the most exciting TV show? I know it's our. I mean, I love Wilden Out. That's my baby. You're just saying, Nick, because I see how happy you be on that mad singer shit. You smile the whole-in-thing thing.

You'd be smiling the whole fucking time, Nick. I'll take these goddamn glasses off. See? That's the shit. Nah, I remember he was doing America's Got Talent, nigger. That's nigger dressing room looked like the stage we shoot on. I was like, God, damn, Nick. Yeah, good to see.

What's the most exciting? Lift his arms up to a motherfucker to come fit him for a suit while he's standing right there. I say, yo! They put his clothes. Man, the nigger went like this. He was like, what's up shit? And the motherfucker came and dressed this nigger. I said, oh!

shit that's money money bro this shit different all the way so what you say is the most exciting show for you then uh ever i mean i gotta say it's well and out that's just real shit that's the most freedom i mean one because i run it right i can pretty much do whatever i want to do and i created it like from working on the logo to making all the beats to creating the games to picking the cast like and then for it to be we got restaurants now we We've got board games. We got a motherfuckinckin' tours and travel all over the world. Like, I haven't done that in any other capacity.

You know what I mean? Like when you take something that started in here and it literally becomes an iconic legacy for decades. Yeah. That's a motherfucking up. I use wild or not as a blueprint for every show and everything that I go on. Because I always say, well, no. while and out. When it first came on, it was rough.

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and when you came it was different like when we first met that's the first thing you said when we care did me and this nigga downstairs in the lobby reminiscing like nigga we back again and they gave us another one this nigga come downstairs and say yeah what's up nigga so you to met your real friend and left me huh i'm like oh you a wild dick in real life what's up would you slim but that's the type of shit that you could feel where a nigger gonna be able to blend into that environment because that shit like this nigger come do the show and then this nigga would at that time he was leaving and going to shoot america's got talent right after and so it was us that was creating the environment that you come into and we had to fight to be able

to establish like they was trying to give me three shows my first season it was like yeah you're here for three but they've been land on me since i first walked in the building so i remember that situation We're having with you. Yeah. We're having with you. Soon as we got to the set, bro, the people who put the lights in the ceiling, they were smoking a joint and they thought it was me. They blame Carlos.

Really? Yeah. We just walked in the bill. These motherfuckers been smoking all day. That's crazy. Damn. Ben had it out for you. They've been handed out for me.

Yeah, they scared you. But why not? Little bit of the shit I've ever been on and I used it as a baby. Like, can't nobody even say anything bad about wild or not. wild and not i do no no side of shit about wild and out because we use it as a platform and we use it as a solid foundation to see how we know how a successful tv show work not only do we know how a successful tv show work the energy that we have cultivated over the years yeah like i said what i love about it is like it get the show buffers how much shit you can actually do right

as a talent right because you have to do a lot of shit that don't have shit to do with shit you might do, especially if you're on the music, or you fuck with the comedy, or you fucking, you know, you're a comedian and you have to fuck with the music. But it actually became a, a workspace where people was looking forward to go to. All right, why am I called you? They called you too. All right, big, I mean, we got two weeks to go to LA, get going to shoot this shit, have fun with the bro, go up here, talk some shit. That's what I'm going. It just, you know what I get, it ain't even like, it was different at a time, though. Remember them, remember them times where we was waiting on them.

I remember, I ain't going to say it to say the name all here, because I was. though if they were there's the old regime they might be working for somebody else now but who's waiting on them then pick-up notices oh yeah you're waiting it was niggie oh yeah you ain't never had to wait on no pickup notice niggins yes i did why not nick you had to they was worried about whether that they was going to replace you every season well i think we had to is the show coming back is it did the entire show get picked up oh of course but the pick up notice was after they had already knew the show was coming back right right right right Like you had already be like, yeah, we're coming back on number one.

And three weeks then passed, you're like, well, maybe, maybe, maybe not. Waiting for the call. They're waiting for the call. Like that shit was different, but in a sense of we, that's what made us love it so much, in my opinion, because we really had to work. Hell yeah. Like, there was no, you know what I mean, there was no leeway. There was no olive branch in regards to, you know, what you do when you get on that stage, like when them lights turned on. And mind you, and I want to ask you this, like, how is it different for you?

Because, in my opinion, you've surrounded yourself with some, with talent that you'll always be able to say, man, I found that person. But do you ever had a pressure coming up and performing the way that we feel when we get them emails when we're on the show? Does it expect you the same way? Yeah, because I want to keep the brand going. You know what I mean? Now there's an expectation. And even when it comes to, like, I don't even like saying, like, yo, I found that person or I put that person on. Really, it's the platform that I created that allow y'all to take it.

I think I even, Kat Williams even said that shit the best. He was like, whiling out is like a diving board. He was like, his niggas that's going to come and jump on that motherfucker and do flips and do some Olympic shit and soar. And there's going to be some motherfuck going to bounce on that motherfuck going to fall the fuck off. So it's like, long as I keep it stable enough for niggas to continue. to launch, then it's the community pool. It's gonna come jump off and soar with that shit. I ain't gonna cap, I'd be telling people all the time

I put you on, because I know you would never say that. Like, girl, my big homie. When I came in the game and we did their first season, Nick, he was through with it. When you started doing comedy? Man, 19. Can you an old young man? No.

I started doing comedy in 05. You're a young nigga. I'm a old. Do you carry yourself like an old nigga, but... I was raised around... I'm from Mississippi, so I'm automatically 60. You came out to a wound at 37. Yeah, it was...

The old nigga, when you came out, you were old. Yeah, everybody was old. I grew up around my great-grandma and my real granddaddy. He's talking about my real granddad. Y'all got that old nigga car. I got to see my family, boy, my granddad could have been even greater, but he never had no draws down. fit all his draws was too big oh wait he never he never did you want to have the

no I'm just saying like some days you go over my granddaddy house and here I answer the door in his drawl that's what granddaddy's do and it was like granddaddy if your drawers was the right size ain't no telling what you could achieve you just never had a real fair chance I think they only made boxes in one size back in all these aren't even boxes These are just drawings. I said, what this boy? He's, like, sacky-y-ass, da-da-da-d-d-d-a-l? Yes, just really draw.

He'd be great. These draws were at least three sides is too big. I don't know. I'm from the city. I don't know my granddaddy. I ain't never met that, Nick. I'm telling you, man. You were raised around.

I was not raised around. This nigga had a tough life, man. That think, people think he all jokes. That nigga had been through some shit. shit i got some real gangsters or anything shooting yeah i mean but that ain't that's the that's the beauty of being you're gonna blow his cover oh sorry nah nah no no you're a real one no you know it's this that's the that's the beauty of being in this position like to get to this is the escape

all of that shit like try to tell me in in dc at the mgm and i went back through my old neighborhood just the show like it's different now yeah gentrified now whole fools over there Oh, it's coming. I mean, it's a lot of white people waiting on it. But for me, it's like I don't, I've escaped that environment, but I'm of the environment. When you really of it, you don't got to walk around like, you know what I'm saying? You don't have to walk around like, you're the toughest, niggil, and you're proud of me. Yeah, nah, nigger, I didn't, I didn't beat the game, so I'm like, I had to wake up every day and be outside without a choice.

Like that's not, that's not something that, you know, I'm proud to that. I was able to get out of it, but I'm also not like, yeah, nigger, guess what I did before? Man, fuck all that. But the thing is, for me, getting to a position where we at now is like I look back on coming into that slap or that diving board like you said with nothing. Right. And, like, really, me and this nigger, man, like, we came in together. And he said some shit to me at our audition, that our first workshop when we was doing that last audition, that group audition that we did. That nigga came up and said something to me.

that ring rings true to this day something real as shit ever like this nigga walked up to me because we knew each other pride he was like man i don't know what these niggis do but we can't get on tv and i've been telling you that them niggas been garbage since even before y'all pick me that's what i've been saying i never changed everyone you know you've been the same nigga cody brine of the game Kobe brand fuck them put them on the court if they make it to the He's like none of the hold of the niggins either. He's like he's the grab, but that's why the niggins. What's the difference between new garbage and old garbage?

The smell, still garbage. The smell, the old garbage, stink worse. There's old garbage and new guys. Who do you fuck with other than these two niggas right here? What do you mean other than these two? You don't need but two motherfuckers. I already proved that. People who have a lot of friends don't have none.

You came up in this stand-up game with a lot of niggas. You don't fuck with none of them. It's not that I don't. I don't fuck with them, but do you understand that these niggas look at what I do with my hard work and feel like I don't fuck with them? No, it's not even that. It's they had the same opportunity to be these motherfuckers. But it's because, you know, y'all be watched the other platforms and the niggas be coming

up with all of these conspiracy theories on the comedy hypes and all of that, like, and it's like, it's, you know, or whoever else got a podcast and, you know, trying to emulate with y'all them built it's like a lot there's a lot of people that feel like yo you y'all have thrown they was they authentically don't fuck with each other they not you can't just get on but this what I'm saying you can't just get on camera and pretend to be friends people gonna see through that shit right right that's why they fuck with us we don't always agree they be with the shit sometimes and I don't be with the shit sometimes the shit I be with they're like lo's just your shit that's hey that's real that's that's family

family shit but that's like from the environment that we come up out of which you know being in wild and out like when we came in nigger had what help me you had to find a family you're gonna be by your motherfucker to this day i still do shit the same way i did when i came in in 2013 thing i'm ducked off over here because there's too much shit going on in the environment for me to be comfortable there's too many unnecessary conversations niggas is eating lunch with the wilder now girls acting like they don't know them your holes it's like like bro i don't i don't i don't i never understood it huh that made you choke huh that made you choke you know we weren't gonna bring it up nick like girls is hell i don't i never got it like i've never

understood i've never understood it bro like i've never i've never understood that type of you know what i mean like i always i always had to find a niche to be comfortable because i don't i don't do well in environments where i see shit going on i'm i'm different than him in the sense that i ain't got to say nothing right i just see it and be like that's crazy and going to be going to say something this niggas go all in a prayer like this niggins in a middle of a prayer and he'd be great doing a prayer they'd be like yeah man y'all do a great stop lying nigger it was like lones i'm trying to motivate the young table These niggins, they ain't gonna be in that season. Why you get these internet niggas a chance?

Why do you? That Nick, the old and grumpy, boy. How do you? He grumpy now, young and grumpy, man. Why? Why? Why? Because I want to give people opportunities, low.

I want to be, I want them to get on the diamond board and sword. Nick, what is the criteria these days? We have this conversation every year. Every year. Yeah. Because you are lowering the standards so far. You used to have to be good at something. This nigga came after y'all.

Don't use him. Stop that shit. That nigger is amazing. He's been in movies. Justina. He can read. Justina came after y'all. I can read.

You can read. They got niggas now that can read. Don't they got some niggas that can read. Don't they got some niggas that can read. No kids. He can read. He can read. Man, I just.

I heard them niggas read the other week. They can't read? I heard the nigger read. What do you do? What do you say? Oh, I already know what you're talking about. Paramount. Paramount.

Yeah, no, he's not lying. I ain't bullshitting. Not lying. Yeah, he fucked, he fucked Paramount up. I'm talking about. He had to walk, he had to walk through Paramount. Everybody can't read. Oh, so all right, shit, now.

shit now okay i'm just okay i'm just so they can know so they can stop asking me what's the criteria these days uh to be fearless fearless you like you not not like me not like me you got to be if you're going to succeed on wild and out you got to be fearless if you're scared at any moment you're going to fail you're going to sink you're going to stumble off that motherfucking diving board people think that shit is easy you got to make that shit and then because they come in with the feeling they chest out feels as soon as there's crickets and they don't get no laughs he's scared and they start second guessing they shit because they think this crowd is just gonna come in here and laugh at anything these ain't fucking people who just trained to laugh yeah these

who really watch that in the butt like they were like that I don't have put that in the I ain't got no laugh track them nigh and then them new york seasons he'd be like huh yo nicks trash yo yo shit the fuck up shot Hey, yo, Nick, I'm better than that, nigga, B. Word. You put me up. For real, Snell. But that shit was fun, though.

I ain't going to hold you. Back in the day. Brooklyn was all the time. When we had the three-level motherfucker on the side? Yeah, that was that snub. That was that. That's what I was going to say. With the hook, with the Sprite in it.

Yeah, that was the one. My DJ poop in the middle of that, motherfucker. That shit was live. That shit was live, man. That was live. That A one, the A1 wasn't fucking, that New York one, man. After the season, it was like, Bigger, every show, oh, it got too crazy.

Niggins was coming from the club to the wild and out after party. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Lying up. They were trying to get a cover charge to get into the motherfucker after. I forgot we were doing that. I forgot that's why I was so many people in there. Yeah.

That's the people who had wristbands, so we had people in the crowd coming back and fuck with that. I did not know that. I was like, whatever we're doing, but this shit, fuck. Hey, I got to ask you this, Nick, right. What's the reason? Like because you do a lot of shit and I'd be like man that niggins don't have to do that shit But he really doing it right for example now I'm talking about the good part now like as far as the shit that you do

Like we stay like they didn't you know we didn't had a transition this particular season we shooting and we stay at a Hotel nigger damn their motel yeah, but you stay in there and it's like like bruh Why you do that shit? Like when we was on tour and we had to take showers at the Salvation Army and you was like, yeah, nigger, we go out to this. I'm like, bro, this nigga in the CIA, like, why is you taking showers with us at the Salvation Army? I'm trying to keep it thorough, man. If y'all got to do it, I want to do it. Why I'm going to lead y'all.

Like, I can be on my jet doing all that. Why, I don't? I want to fuck with y'all. But see, that's what I'm saying. Is it just to be able to see what it looks like to struggle? Like, so you don't, like, so you don't forget what it's like? Let me... What is that?

Let me... See what the poor people are doing. Let me make sure I never lose that part of me. Because we was... I mean, that tour bus seat, like... Then the nigga, go get a full body massage. Get this dirt off me. That shit was fun, man.

That shit was fun, man. That shit was fun. Yeah, that shit was fun. Like, I'm gonna be by myself in an empty-ass jet. Like, that ain't fun. But I'm saying, you could have took us with a jet. That's what I really was getting there. Like, how do we transition it to see in the other side of the glasses?

We'd have been on this side of the glass. But yeah, I'm gonna see the end of the classes. This nigga just gonna wait till we get our own and meet us. Hey, what's up, baby, we got here. This morning, I always rock with y'all, and even the same shit, like where we stand now. Like, I could go waste all that, man. I could go get a house, all that type of shit, but like... You with us with the bulls and outside.

It's time to get up to go to work. We all get up and go to work together. Like, just. A bed is a bed. But that, I mean, I give you that credit, though, man, because that's one of the things that I always recognize, just me being the type of nigga that I am, and knowing that, man, this nigga ain't gotta be round niggins for real.

Like, this nigga really could be on some, like, eh, man. That shit seems so phony and boring, though, man. Like, we all that came across the niggas who really, you know, believe in their own smoke, and they try to treat niggas different because of whatever reason. Like, you really could. Yeah, who want to be around a nigga like that? I will say, it creates, it also creates a sense of like, you know, for me at least,

I know I can speak for myself to where you're like, man, this nigga fuck with me. But then it's a certain level that you be looking like, man, dude, how much do you fuck with me? Because you look around and see shit that you be like, man, nigga ain't never asked me to do none of this shit. Because you expose yourself to shit that you don't have to. So how do you balance that? You know what I'm saying? I always say solid, recognize solid. And then when you just lay out the platform,

people are going to go get it where they want to get it. You know what I mean? Like, this thing is right here, man, you see, like, he saw it. He's like, man, I'm going to go get these movies. I'm going to go get this hosting shit. I'm going to go get this music shit. I'm going to go master this stand-up shit. Like, it was all right there for him.

And you see his work ethic. You know what I mean? Some people just want, like you said, this nigger's purpose in life is to be pimping. Like, that I think I want to be able to play back. In life, metaphor. Not like selling coochie. I didn't think we know what you're talking about.

Selling coochie of life. Yeah, I'm just saying. Like this is, but you comfortable leaning back talking shit. You know what I mean? Like this nigga who right here wanted all, you know what I mean? Then I also see you too because I use you as an example. I'm like, bro. I'm watching you land in.

I'm talking about literally like 20 minutes before we go on stage and you're gonna rock that bitch, then leave. You're like, what nigga is? Oh, he's gone. Where you at? In LA? I'm like, motherfucker' was just here. Yeah, it's 6 o'clock. In L.A. already, but you got to come back tomorrow

because you got to shoot three more. How do you balance really being the busiest motherfucker I know? I'm talking about, no cap. The busiest motherfucker I know, you're a father, and you keep a smile in your face. How do you balance it all out? I just look at it as a blessing, man, when, like, I would pay to do this shit that I get paid to do.

Right. Like, so when you wake up and God said, like all of this is yours thing i'm gonna go try to get it all and i'm not going like obviously you got to take care of yourself and your health and wellness first but once we pass that nigga i'm out here cooking to the so i can't cook no more keep cooking why the pot it's hot type shit like like it's to me every idea is a great idea till we come up with the best idea so whether if you got something he got something like look maybe let's cook up like if i see an opportunity somebody it's a bag over there it's an easy bag to go get like i'm

I'm trying to be one of those cats that just understands how to diversify your portfolio on every single level. So whether it's entertainment, business, in front of the camera, behind the camera, I'm always going to be constantly thinking, what's the next play? What's the next move? So luckily, I'm still, I got that youthful energy, so I can still go. Like you said, I don't have to do it no more. I can be chilling on the island somewhere, but it's like I'm always trying to figure out how to be innovative and what's the next wave. So I can't keep cooking. What did that come from for you?

the hustle mentality growing up with, you know, my pops. I mean, y'all see my pops. That nigga crazy. That would stop you red now. They got a new idea. And I just, I mean, I got it from him. I mean, he came from the streets to the pulpit, you know. And then even, you know, just growing up around deep boys and hustlers,

niggas just trying to figure out how to get it. How do you keep from going crazy being a check, going from a child store to an adult store? A lot of your peers went crazy and got the fucking with the wrong shit. I don't think I was a child starter. I think to the world it probably was, but I lived the whole regular life. I was in the projects cutting hair,

selling weed, like, you know, trying to figure it all out like everybody. To what age, Nick? To what age? Selling weed, Nick. You were on Nickelodeon at 14. No, I wasn't. Nick, I was grown.

Like, yeah. You just looked 14? Yeah, like that's what I'm saying. You were grown on. Yeah, that's an boss of weed from Nick. Do you? No, Nicolodeon. No, Nick.

I was an executive there. I was the chairman for years. But that's what I'm saying. Like I was, I mean, like, because I don't ever, like I said, I'm not trying to glorify this shit, but like, my, my stepdad was the biggest D boy in the city. You know what I mean? So I came up under that shit and I was, that was the play. Like, yeah, it's entertaining.

He was selling more than we. That's just what I was doing in high school. I'm talking about, but I was being groomed. I was being groomed to be that next nigga to kind of operate like that and it could have went that way and I had a lot of partners that did go that way and a lot of the niggas is still serving. So how did you get into the internet? Give us the day that Nick Cannon didn't have to sell weed no more and you're able to all that. Niggins, I'll tell you, it's a God honest truth, man, like it was on some save my life type shit.

Like, my area and another area really was getting at it. And partners was just getting shot, dying. And I remember going, I remember I went to my grandfather. I'm literally scared for my life. Like, I don't think I'm going to make it out of high school type of shit. And, you know, God's honest you. He gave me this book called Name It and Claim It by Dr. Fred Price. That was our pastor at Crenshaw Christian Center.

And he was like, if you keep speaking. death that's going to happen to you start speaking life then whatever you speak is going to happen he's like you got to speak things into existence and that book was called name and the claimant that was probably the first book uh when i was about you know 15 16 that i had ever really rare start to think kept reading it over and i literally you know whatever you desire believing when you pray it and you shall have it or mark 1123 type stuff really just living it and i started speaking like yo i'm gonna be an entertainer be a comedian, I'm going to be a rapper, and like, this is in high school. And I literally, why homies was going through it, and like, it's a certain area, I couldn't even go no more.

We couldn't go to the mall no more. We couldn't go to different football games because it was active. And I was like, yo, I got to remove myself out of this environment. So I started catching rides two hours away to Hollywood, standing outside the comedy store, the improv, the laugh factory, just with grown niggas. It was everybody from Chappelle to Pierre. to the weigh-ins like I'm just I'm just a kid standing outside sleeping on Jamie Fox couch like just really just trying to figure out how not to go back to the hood and when I did go back I literally had to get back to school in the morning dude that niggas wouldn't believe me to talk about the shit that I was doing and I was just like this is my vision I'm

speaking and you really but then I ended up graduating high school early and I was I was was on. I was writing for TV shows. I was to warm up on Nickelodeon. I started, you know, at the time it was WB and all that I was doing all of that getting holding deals. Jamie Fox had a comedy festival down here called Laughapapalooza. Got deal out that, Jane. I was Bay Area Comedy Festival, rocked that shit, won that shit. Like, all of like, and this is, I was, I was fresh out of high school, you know what I mean? But I had escaped the light that I was like, once I saw that, I was like, I'm gonna square up like a box of Apple Jackson, just really just whatever y'all say i'm a focus and so nicolodeon came i was like yeah i'll be a little kid

for y'all my focus let's go let's get it we're laughing paloza with some of the dovetest shit i ever got to be a part of yeah because it was just like a whole week of just all the comedians in the country just go howl up and i remember i got my hit every club every stage at the first laugh of paloosa like we would rock the uptown we would do different arena it was Everything in between, all the comedians from in the whole urban scene. Yeah, Chris Tucker had a club out here. He used to bring me down. Again, everybody who started out young would look out for the other young niggins.

I remember being a teenager. So I remember Chris Tucker flew me and Mike Epps out here to do his club and put us in the same room. I had to bunk with that crazy-ass nigger Mike. This nigga had all kind of bitches. How of them a nick, stop that. No, but not, but those are my OGs, those are dudes that show me how the game go. And that's, you know, obviously, they would, he was, Mike was young, like, Nick, like, Chris was the nigga popping at the time.

So, like, we was just comedians on the road and shit. You ever had anybody, like, you know, little boy you or tried a little boy you and then double back and eat you? Yeah, all the time, nigga, all the niggas all the, uh, wild and out in the early seasons. Oh, so you don't fuck with him? No, I love to. You don't fuck with nobody. Yeah, see, no, you're the same kind of a little boy. See this shit, Chuck?

Niggins, uh, spanking and all the niggins, and, uh, shit, uh, Joe Blunt, all in, Thomas Ward. They, they, they was older, live, they used to live in the jungles in L.A. And I would come up, and I'd have to sleep on their floor, you know what I mean? Spanking them for? Yeah, like, yeah, like, yeah, so it, shit, like, I was the little homie, you know what I mean? Shout out to, you know, Chris Spencer. And, you know, Alex Thomas, those were the niggas I was looking up to. And, you know, they're still in the game strong now.

But it's like, you know, when you do this comedy shit, it's a whole different culture. Yeah, but the reason I ask is because how do you handle it? How did you handle it? What's the part, what's the most important part of the equation that makes you say, I ain't going to do a nigga the way I could? Nah, because, I mean, what do you really get out of that? You know, but that's low frequency shit. you know what i mean like to me i almost niggas know what i got like you get to a point i ain't got

i'm a stun on some niggas as doing bad like that ain't like that ain't like that he like what would you dude i want to see niggas win like vini especially especially a lot of the people i came up with i i want to see them shine like especially to certified real ones like you know that's like that nigg's scracho gonna be my nigg for life just because that ain't When I was a kid, that niggler not only was he, the big homie on stage, that nigger was the protector of all of us just moving around. I mean, I see this nigga in Compton, knock a knicker out and a heckler out and sit the nigga right there and knocked down and have to tell the rest of the he had to hear his whole set.

Sleep. No. Put him up in his chance. The nigga kept talking. He's like, dude, I'm just trying, I just got out. Like, I'm just trying to do this comedy. He's kept up. Nick Scroncho, boop, boop, pick the nigga up, and said,

Nick, he said, like I say! I fought with O'GGG. Nah, but I'm just saying cast like that when you come around and like so, any project I'm going to do, I'm going to put that in a move to school dance or, you know, whatever, and wild and out, creating a pocket, whatever I could do to help cast that's been with me since I was 15 years old. Like, and that's who, you know, whoever it is, from, like I said, spanky, scrancho to whoever else that we was riding with the niggas obviously that we already know is you know making hell of money now from the niggins from kevin hard to cat william we came up together you and this

niggas stay pranking each other's you all got a whole that damn prank show they gave us millions of dollars to break niggas now we good like we're gonna have some real fun that was we used to come out our own pockets to prank each other now we got budget we're gonna start sending niggas to the moon i'm gonna say huh they thought they was on spirit and sent that nigga to jupiter don't break me i'm good Don't do me. Don't do me. Don't do me, man. No, he's a asshole, bro.

He'll do us fucked up. He'll be like, yeah, Chico, I'm finally going to put you in that movie. You and Carlos is finally going to be in the movie. We show up the set, niggick, and scruncho there with some boxing gloves on. There, yeah, I want to see if you can make it. There's a rolling. Like, they would the fuck out there? He's like, put the skates on, sir.

Because I'm not fighting with the skate song, Slim. Yeah, I mean. But that, like, that type of shit, though, you know? of shit though you know I mean when you get to that point like what what is the shit that that make you want to keep creating outside of the money like is it legacy some shit you got fun at you know like I said that's why me and keb do what we do that's something I wouldn't do while and out if that shit wasn't fun right has never not been fun now I think I probably went through some stages and shit where I was just like people was frustrating me because

they didn't allow me to take my brand where I wanted to but you know we got a lot of them people out the way so like you know again we jump in there we we knock that shit out we do three episodes of one day and have fun you ain't having fun you shouldn't be there and that's just I tell that from you know from the top to the bottom from executives to catering like look we we about love peace and having a good time if you want some other shit then this ain't for you I overheard you on one podcast and you was talking and you were just saying about the ups and down about the business and whatever. Right. And a lot of people would assume that motherfucker, too. Yeah, I had to show them off. Yeah, the motherfucker. Good luck.

A lot of that. A lot of, that's that motherfucker. I got it. I ain't got it no more. Conceded he got it. Oh, y'all, y'all didn't. You gave a jacket? A hell, yeah. Yeah, I didn't worry about 50. Well, he got it now, so don't ask me about the shit. Yeah, I don't have it been no. Me and conceded, big a seat. Like, that's the thing, like, brud, you got to understand. You didn't, it took us. What, I don't know, I don't know. I for me it ain't that I didn't want that type of shit back then it was just on Jupiter so we had to get to the point where we can afford them outfits you was way but I don't give a fuck how much money I get I'm still in that shit from you

Nick I don't get because I know you don't need it yeah this jacket was like 50 I know it didn't come out of your pocket let me get that mom but I ain't never tell you but what he gave me the jacket the lady that worked with a sweet lady lover she's a nice lady always nice to me always chic i love you so much man they gave me that jacket she came around the corner like she was gray see about me hey what's up with what a jacket at i'm like what jacket man what you talk about she was like did nick get you the jacket niggins she walked me over there like a principal no some custom louis shit yeah like did you say he can have this he was like yeah yeah yeah i said he could have it i was like yeah i can have it

me and this nigga Chuck did the frisco shit on me i ain't you know i mean the nigga nick say babe was gonna give some shoes away that nigga chuck i about to go get the shoes he pulled me hey nigga hey bro how much of this shit you did got nigga hey for real man i see how much of this shit you that got bro like for real bro to another nigga eat on the shoe niggins all wear the same man chuck be calling you by shit like that chuck be calling me about crazy shit No, he ain't called me. Man, a nigger asked me on a show how many bitches Nick gave me.

I said, nigga, you giving this nigga too much credit. Chuck called me and said, yo, yo, what you say about Nick? I said, nigga, watch the rest of the clip. He called me back. He was like, all right. Man, nigga ain't gave me no bitches. I got my own bitches now, Nick. Have at it.

I don't want credit for having my own business. Thank you. Clear that shit up. Don't be calling me, Chuck. Call those has his own bitches. I ain't never said. nothing fucked up about Nick, that I wouldn't say in front of him. He'd know that.

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He knows I'm a terrible person. We have a great relationship. People always ask me about this thing. He is here. I'm happy to ask him about all this crazy shit. I've been knowing Nick when he had two kids. Facts. Just jump, but now I was asking,

I seen a podcast where you was talking about the way the elevation of the game and they can go up and down. A lot of people, because, you know, you started, you say you looked young, but everybody swore you was a kid starts. before you was a kid star. Yeah, yeah. But you've been in the game damn that, 30, niggas. Yeah.

That's a long time. That's it. I've been doing stand-up 30 years. I started doing stand-up when I was like 11, 12 years old. You know, you're in the game. But I remember you saying that when you did Drumline. Yeah. You was like, I only had $60,000 in my pocket when they called.

You were like, shit. I might not even have that, because that's what they paid me to do Drumline. That's what they paid you to do drumline. But what you did from Drumline. I didn't really have. I mean, it was check to check. But at that time, Johnline, it was my biggest check. And I was six weeks.

Speak on that living check to check in the industry, household name. And motherfuckers know you, but you live in check to check. I mean, that's just like everybody's job. And you're like, I was doing, I was trying to make more money doing stand up than I was getting off of TV at that time. You know what I mean? Because, you know, early days of Nickelodeon, they weren't paying. That's why I was writing too. I was trying to write and do all of that because there was more checks there.

I do the warm up, show up, grab that $500. Like, I was just trying to hustle. I was dancing on Soul Train, but... Stop, man. Niggas swear, me and Atheon. I was about to say Atheon Cuckethe. Bro, at the comedies club that I started and they got a picture of Aphion.

I fuck with that nigga about every time I see him. I'm like, but you got a... Yeah, I'm talking about the Alien Jones. Yeah, yeah, the little... Paltree. Bro, you ever work with that nigga that looked just like you? That nick, the other nymph. The, uh, that nigger that looked just like you, nigga.

Oh, I know you're talking about, uh, enroll-bound. The niggily? Yeah, we were in roll-bound together. I'm saying on some other, on the other shit. That was the only shit y'all did. Yeah, I mean, that was my partner for shit. Like, we used to tell me we were brothers when we was coming up in auditions and shit like that.

And that nigga was, you're talking about Wesley Jonathan. Right, I guess this is a name. Yeah, he had city guys. He had to show. They used to come on Saturday mornings on NBC. So that nigga was popping. I was his little bro. So, like, that nigga was, you know,

that nigga was in Panther. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, that shit. Like, he was in a classic film and all of that shit. So, we, I looked up to that nigga. And that's the, you know, it's one of them moves where when you out in Hollywood, like, I had a different gift because I was auditioning and doing music and shit.

But stand-up was what I was known for. So I didn't even really have to audition in a lot. I'd be like, yo, send the casting director, send the director to the improv that night and to the comedy store. And they'd be like, yo, this is all my fucking getting off. You know, and so I would skip over a lot of shit, but like, you know, like, I mean, y'all had heard the stories. I think every young black kid in music and in Hollywood audition for drumline. Right. Like, I had to go in that motherfucker about eight different times, and I never booked no shit off of, like, auditions before.

So I'm like, I knew, I was musical, so I knew how to move around. And, you know, luckily the director, Charles Stone, who was so cold. That nigga directed drumline and paid him full, you know, and it was his first two movies. And before that, he was just a dope music, you know, video commercial director. And he saw something in me, man, and it's just like out of thousands of niggas. Like, and you, I mean, people tell your story every year, you're here Silt the Shaka talking about it, T.I. Everybody, like, me, when I tell you. Silt the Shaka.

Yeah, everybody, nigga. Everybody audition for that shit. The niggins from TV shows, movies. Everybody was auditioning for that shit. Silt the motherfucker shop in their tombson. Man, I don't know I want to see no goddamn silt the shaka playing no drum. That nigga from Louisiana. You know he grew up with instruments and drums and shit.

Ooh. If not drumline, what would you say, what was the moment for you was like, oh shit, I made it? Like, I still don't feel like that. I don't feel like that. Dead ass. Like, I'm in all y'all niggas, like I'm constantly hustling. I know you heard of it. We're talking about when the shit got different, when the checks got different.

Well, I could tell you like the biggest check, but even then, I don't want to the biggest chick. But even then when that shit would happen, it'd be gone so quick. Why? That's the big of stupid. Nah. The biggest shit being in it. Oh, damn.

He said, I can tell you with the biggest chick. No, I don't want to get that shit. What the guy? Because if you're going to tell a bitch and shit, I'm like, yeah, damn. I know it's out there. But it's like, when did that shit change, though? Like, it's, we all. knew wild and out changed he helped change but see no but you gotta remember what we are for y'all but for me while and i wasn't a

success when they first dropped up they knew like again they was excited about punk and all of that shit and i was just like you know we was just we was doing well right but we was waiting oh they're gonna pick us up nigga the wild and out season the first season was six episodes right and we just wanted to get the season two and then they gave us eight he's like oh we thought we was on hey and then And then from there, it just slowly, so even then, like, while and I wasn't a success at first, you look back and be like, shit, we've been doing this shit two decades,

but even drumline wasn't a success. Like, that shit opened moderately. It did well, right? But they didn't market it, they didn't promote it, they didn't have no billboards, like commercials was only on BT, but the culture fucked with it and turned it into the classic.

Like, so everything, like, I've never had that, that, where, a whole system or a whole studio believes in you like like the shit when you see like with these actors today like shots out to bro uh michael b jordan you go draw that niggas on buildings and building like because i mean and it's dope like whether it's from creed to black panther or right you know what i mean like there's a different there's certain people that a whole studio will get behind you're like we want to turn this person into a movie star i understand we want to turn this person to a television star you'll get so you get like a donald

Glover and a whole network or get behind them and motherfuckers be at the Emmys and all that shit like that's because the system fucks with them I'm outside the system everything I didn't did all my success I had to work for ain't nobody ever believe in me And that's just the shit that and that's why I believe in niggas like y'all because I know that pain I was like where don't nobody support you feel like you out there by yourself so now at least I know how to build my own shit so let me teach niggins the game so they can build down shit So they don't have to have all of their self-esteem built off of a system that never fucked with them in the first place So you got that side you got you got you got you got you got that side of you got you got you got that side of it right That side that you're dealing with on the corporate side and the Hollywood side and then you got the other side of it the shit that niggas come up to us and be like man Nick corny for real like make it make a real nigga You know I mean he don't be with me now

Listen. Oh, yeah, listen. Time Square. Yeah, we standing there like... Yeah, we stand in there like... One more time. Yeah, all the way. Nick, I can't get my, nigga.

He ain't get it. Yeah, all the way. But we... Let's go talk. Let's go fucking talk then. Yeah, niggas. You go right up behind me. Like, y'all was shooting some shit.

Yeah, we were shooting in Times Square. But buddy was just, he was talking. You know what? You're dealing with that on that side, but you've never said, I know what the fuck y'all mean I'm courting Nick I'm over here dealing with this shit you bitch ass niggas got me fucked up Like why haven't you felt the need to ever address that part you address a lot of shit you address some shit that you shouldn't address But you never address that because that's it like because it don't bother me like that's like you know really like I I like when niggas call me corny nigger that's that's my motherfucking like decoy I'll take that all day like I don't I want you to underestimate me

I want you to think shit is sweet. So because then now I got the upper hand, whatever the situation is. But we know you and we know that this shit is, that shit ain't even, it ain't even, it don't even apply to the gangster shit. We'd be seeing you doing like,

man, these motherfuckers new. It's beauty. Don't blow my cover. Like, I want a, I'm corny, yes. That's it is what it is because.

I look at that it's markable. Nick, exactly. I always say, nigg, corny is, you know, that's misunderstood. I've seen the nigg.

I've seen the nigg. do some shit that's it that's the shit like chicks really like corny motherfuckers if you they want you to make them laugh don't be on his relationship in but you know you get terrible you give him terrible advice I got I got I got the one you giving terrible advice and wearing bright orange hoods and shit that's why I'll be wearing this show that's why I'm you starting up the morning giving out bad advice you know at first I never gave a nigga advice ever in life they get I know no

You did tell a nigga get a lawyer. You never liked what we were getting paid. You're like, y'all didn't get a lawyer and walk off. I'm like, okay. Exactly what that nigga told me. I got to get a lawyer. But the first of a car. He didn't need to walk off.

The niggas said y'all niggas get a lawyer and went and laid in his bunk on the bus. He was like, this niggas just go get in the bunk. After telling that, you don't like to get that. All right. You see what, you know. And you see what the... But I don't give advice on camera, is what I'm saying. You know what I mean.

So what would you say? is harder okay as a man with many gifts many talents I understand got the hosting got the comedy you got creative content you got that you got music motherfuckers movies what would you say was the hardest to grab the hardest to achieve I know you're saying you still oh yeah I mean like I think the shit that what obviously we all know like the shit that's probably the most frustrating because the music game is not a real game it's not based off a talent so niggas gang don't sit around and know i

play seven instruments and make all the beats on wild and out there it's just like you got to have a story a trajectory i mean you go through the same shit all y'all go through the same shit y'all y'all niggins is gifted but they want to hear about the nigga that was trapping or the nigga that just got out and it's like like they don't see you that's how at work yeah so it's like which is cool because there's something to it because niggas like authentic they like real shit. They like a nigga. That's why today the biggest D-boy in the hood can become the biggest rapper in the world because, oh, this nigga is certified and they get respect in this field. So all we got to put this nigga together with some rhyming words and a dope beat

and he out of here. So when a nigga who's not trying to do that but can come up in the church and sit on the organ and sit on the drums and all of that stuff, those usually don't be the dudes that succeed in that space. So we're still on the grind and, you know, even like, I didn't put, you know, multi-platinum artists on. I didn't build careers, but I'm never wanting to gloat to be like, oh, I wrote that song, or I did this. So I just, but the music game is always gonna be a challenge. One, it's a young man's game.

So to be able to stay current and really, and that, again, y'all niggas keep me hot, you know what I mean? The next generation, the artists that I'm looking to find, the new show I got, future superstars, I'm finding teenagers, I'm finding, and I learned that game from the, Quinty Jones and the L.A. Reed and that shit been done. Go find some old niggas who never got a chance. I did that on America's Got Talent. Nah, fuck that. I did that already. Them Susan Boyd was shit like that. I remember. Find that old nigga in the subway who be singing Sam Cook.

Yeah, hell yeah. One of them early seasons of while and out, you was bringing her around, like, H-E-R-Her. Yeah, I remember. A little Gabby. Yeah, like, you was like, this was, this is, you know, new artist or somebody I'm working with at the time and every time I see her I'd be thinking I'm tripping I'm like I think that was the I said I put her on Nickelodeon I directed and produced a movie for Nickelodeon that had her in it soldier boy Justin Bieber shit like it was that I've always had a knack to to know who's gonna be next in the young young talent space so you know it's it's one of those things where we continue in that that vibe, but I think now I'm probably stick my chest out a little bit more and be like,

yo, I produce that record, I'll put that person on. Yeah, you gotta do it a little bit more. I never wanted to, though, because I always like to play the back. Like you said, the music industry, they know, but then they be like, if they know, no, no use behind it, they're like, oh, because in the music game, it's so many different platforms and so many different titles and jobs, people be thinking you got to be the motherfucker that's holding the mic scene, but no, I could put the shit up. And then sometimes it might be better that people don't know because they know you did

and just gonna act like they don't like it just because they know you did it you know i mean motherfucker act like y'all he did it oh i don't even want to hear it now because i know i ain't gonna like it but if you don't have your name on it then a nigger yeah that's why i have my like even when i used to produce uh records from awry and shit i didn't want people to know so i had oh shit put it out there was uh the heat miser so it's like how's them up man of all the names you could have came up the heat my what you know the heck mrs you don't know the heat my oh he's about the flex on you yeah he'll put him up Please, I see, here you go.

It was this old-ass show back in the day. The niggas used to get high to and watch the shit. It was like the black version of like motherfucking Sesame Street and shit. And these niggas is like HR puffing stuff and all that shit. Or no, and it was the heat miser. If you remember, then they also made the shit, the Christmas, the motherfucking Rudolph, the red nose, reindeer shit. And it was like the nigga that was ice cold.

And then it was the other nigga with the flame hair, that nigga was the heat mizer. I'm telling you, nigga, that shit was fire. So what beat did the heat mind? What's the hottest beat that the heat miser made for Mariah Carey? That shit that just went viral again. It's a rat. Well, you know what you should have produced.

And I put, I put Mary J. Blige on the remix of that mother. Well, if you would have produced that damn Christmas song. Oh, and the guy was fucking 13 when they missed that guy. Now, that's, that's true. Now, we had made so many jokes over the years about all of this shit you got going on because you're such a public person right i mean you can't i don't know why you you just said they don't nobody believe in you but somehow the universe just seems to always have you in front of some shit like god got my back there the universe finds a way to put you in front of the

world and everything you say and do is right there for to be consumed by the public so why do you choose to like as we've known you you've grown it to me at least in my eyes you started to like let people in the shit that you used to that you had to be in this space to be able to see now you just giving quotes about shit and I'm like ain't no way that nigga said that out loud man but what does that get that come from just fatigue of giving a fuck I mean I think I always just been the same thing you like it just I think like you said if the spotlight is on me I'm gonna keep it a stack. You ask me a question.

I'm gonna answer it to the best of my ability and truthfully. Now, you don't have to be trolling sometime, though. Yeah, now. Yeah, that's what I'm saying? Now, like, I'm in this business. When I'm building brands and shit like that, I know if I say a certain shit, it's gonna go viral. I say, you know, you gotta manipulate the media

before the media manipulates you. You know what I mean? So you gotta know how to maneuver in these spaces. And also, I got to be the frontrunner a lot of this shit. So sometimes I got to step out there and say some shit that other things are scared to say or feel like, yo, whatever consequences come with it, I can handle it. You know what I mean? Or another motherfucker might say some shit in their career be gone. So, you know, it's really about, you know, truly living that freedom of speech shit,

especially when they know your core is centered where you're coming from an authentic place, you're coming from a place where you just really want to see people shine and see people in. Speaking of media manipulation, and, you know, we didn't ever talk about this or whatever. All that shit went down and, you know what I'm saying. And we was fired. Things was fired. We was fired. It was fucking fault.

We was fired. Doing the pandemic, I ain't got, I ain't go tip to around it. You were fucking it up, Nick. During the pandemic. I don't talk about the goddamn thing. I mean, doing the pan's, damn it. He definitely didn't fuck up. You fucked it up, Nick.

What? what how did you feel when because nobody was i ain't never got off no money it was a interview and they asked me right right if you if they wanted to if they wanted to replace me how much money was it going to take you to get on the show and i'm like i ain't taking shit i ain't taking shit i don't know if i ain't ever told you on camera and they got love you for that too that's real shit i didn't want to i didn't know i would have took the money yeah we know that you know that left your name on the shit. Nick Cannon presents Carlos Miller presenting

the shit that he presented. You know I wouldn't took the money. No, we weren't going like that, man. Like when that shit popped up, because you're still a regular nigger outside of all the shit that you accomplished because we do so much. We ain't got emotion. Facts.

And we ain't got feelings. So when that shit popped up and you heard my respond, what was your initial reaction when you were Like, goddamn, nigga, I loved you for that shit. But also, because I was at a time, I had told them, niggas, I wasn't coming back. Like, it's funny, because a lot of, okay, if you remember how it actually played out.

Oh, I remember, I was at the house. I'd never watch father. They got mad. And, you know, they said, you know, and I had been in this situation before with NBC and everything to where the people that the higher-ups said, we have to teach you a lesson. Right, literally, there was,

and behind closed doors, they said, We have to make an example out of him because, you know, other people in our space and I was talking reckless. Right. Yeah. And it got back to me. I was like, they want to make an example out of me. Like what is that supposed to me?

Like if that ain't the most offensive and buck-breaking slave master shit, if I ever, you're going to hang me out in front of all the niggas and make it an example out of me. And so, you know, they got, then you got to start backtracking, you know, and so then they offered it back to me immediately. Like, yo, how can we figure it out? And there was a lot of amazing people that, you know, that I worked with for years. That's why I say you can't ever even blame an individual when you're talking about corporations. Because there's boards, they're shareholders. You know what I mean?

There's people that been putting money into it for a long time. And the majority of the people understood, you know, you know, Nick's family. He's been at this company since he was a teenager. But there's some people that literally like, we gotta make an example out of him. So by the time we got there, I was like, fuck that brand, fuck that matter of fact,

this is my brand, I own it for the majority of the time, and I want this, I want that. We did the evaluations, we knew how many billions. It was where we were like, we was ready to go to war. And I was like, if I never step foot back on that motherfucking stage again, I don't care. I was done with Wilden house. Like, because I was like, one, I had a whole, I had, I'm getting more money at other

networks. Fox had my back, solid, you know what I mean? Like I, you know what I mean? Yeah, fuck, yeah. So it was like, I'm good. And like, I was cool. Like, and you know, I'm, I walked away from NBC. I walked away from millions, a couple years earlier than that.

And then doubled up and got the number one show on Fox. believing in myself so I was like I'm gonna just do that shit again and like I was I was like so whatever they want and then when I heard job do you did an interview a couple other people and shit I was like damn it's a lot more people that love this brand and and eating off this brand and provide for their families with this brand so I was like I I'll come back and do it for them I come back we said that live I think it was it was you not coming back and doing that shit without that name wish another nigger wish i would have did jason derulo presents

wilder down i put that in the back in head got that morp fucking mason de rulo presents whiling out what no hell nah but remember they had the means of ryan ccress yeah brine screase and that was so crazy how they ASAP put that out there with like let's just try to put a white face on it to see how they were right we were like nah but niggie we're gonna beat the dicking who created it up you trip Nah, but that's, I mean, that's what it was. I saw so many others, you know how many families we provide for, we're wild and out? You know what I mean?

I know one in particular. Oh. Mine, motherfucker. But that's what I'm saying. So it's like, I came back because I wanted to do it for everybody else. And even now, that's why we, you know, trying to give other people. We, we, we, that funny thing, don't you say, like, behind closed doors and the business. and stuff because as you see there's a lot of stuff going on to mergers and this company

buying this company and this so I know how much value while and out has I know the digital numbers I know the ticket sales when we're doing the live nation tours so and a lot of times they try to keep us in the dark with they don't want you to know your value so I know the value so I'm like yo while and out should be his own network we've produced enough content enough stars we we're going towards 500 episodes so just based off of that alone and you did you know much value that just in that IP alone right like you said look look what friends is worth look what Seinfeld is worth and I think it's ain't got half the amount of episodes we got that's you know what I mean everything that you think is a success look at what we've done over the years

look at the the all the millionaires we then made and produced and so So when you know the value or something, even when they try to act like it ain't value, oh, we don't know, are we going to move you to this network? Ah, you can play the games if you want to, give it back. Watch what I do with it. And that's where they don't want us to know how much power is in it, but the power is in us. That's why when y'all, with y'all, with 85 South, it's like, keep going. Because you quietly showing them bigger studios and networks that you don't need them.

that your fans gonna come with you wherever you go right it's great to see y'all on tv but they also gonna follow you over here and they're gonna make sure they gonna come see you in a city they're gonna wear your merch and that's the stuff that's that's magic in a bottle you can't get that every day after me a lot of responsibility though yeah i think that's the part that people don't talk about like because i know like in the space a while and out we didn't been we didn't been through trans you didn't been nick cannon the whole time but we didn't debate me it ain't Nobody know who Chico Bean was in season five, you know, like Carlos Miller, who we are now. You know what I'm saying?

So I've seen when the environment be a certain way, and then you walk in the room and everybody's change. Everybody started doing something different. Right. How do you navigate that? Because when you had that type of power, when you walk in the room and everybody was doing what they maybe wanted to be doing, and then you walk in and they start doing some other shit in front of you? How do you know who's dead? How do you navigate people in that regard?

Because you've been seeing them since legit. I mean, it's one of them things, man, you got to, it's chest. You gotta, like, they're gonna expose themselves. They're gonna move how they wanna move. And some people gonna show you how solid they are. And you just gravitate towards that. You know what I mean? Like, everybody is putting on their best representative.

And ultimately, you come across a nigga, like, come across a nigga like this who no matter what room he and he gonna always be the same right even when it's inappropriate this they could be cussing out the motherfucker cameraman and the tech but they love me and they fucking they want to hear this shit yeah but then there's an who where we all thinking the same thing but i i i play the game a little bit more i know how to i'm gonna i'm a strategically tell you the same shit he telling you but i'm gonna do it in a way to where you feel like it's at least politically correct and then at the same time now i'm at a stage where i ain't even got to say shit like you saying see like now

my presence speaks for itself right so when i walk in the room you my the aura is gonna make you either straighten up or have to back off because it's like oh yeah he probably really don't fuck with me because i'm on some bullshit and he could sense it so like that's like spiritually that's where I've been trying to, you know, get to where now I ain't even got to say shit. I just walk in the room and people know what it is. Yeah. Can we set the record straight man, right here on motherfucker. I can't be that high.

He's scared of weed. Yeah, I'm scared of weed. Yeah, I'll be too high sometimes. Set the record straight right here, right now. Face the face of the motherfucker world, man. Because I'm sick of this shit. I'm tired of answering the goddamn question. You did not fire Carlos.

Not. Get me tell you, I want to tell the truth? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tell the truth. Because before you answer, before you answer, I speak from the, I've never been fired. Right.

But we have been done in the way to where it's like, damn. Like, what has a nigger been doing on these scripts? Like, I'm not the nigger. Tell the truth. I want to know the truth. And not only that. I'm not the nigger. You know my person.

I'm not the nigger to be like, nigger. Run the tape back, you gotta be fucked up. But they put you in a position where it's like, niggas, that what I get? Do I gotta show up and be the nigga that I can be and be ignorant to make a motherfucker realize it? Or do I just have to say my feelings, sir? Because when you know that you put this shit down

in a certain way and the motherfucker just be like, well, we'll see. You'll see what? And we'd be like, niggit is, because you remember when Lowe's was gone, we both had conversations like, nigga, this shit feels strange. Hey.

Hey. We came two, Nick. Two Nick. To you like, bro. Nah. Like, whatever we got to do to get this nigga back here because the environment ain't the same. Like, who do that, who the fuck is the person or the people that be like, fuck us like that? Man, I told y'all for the game.

I'm glad y'all even already laid it out there because y'all already talked about the origin in this conversation already. When we was on that motherfucking tour bus, and I told y'all digger, go get Lloyd. Go get lawyers. Right. That's exactly where that shit is start. Don't let nobody tell you anything different. This whole motherfucking world is ran by attorneys. Like, y'all go home and watch the motherfucking devil's advocate.

Are y'all already at home? Watch that shit with Al Pacinio. Like, when you, the people who are speaking at legalese and talking that shit, they're the ones that run all of this shit. And if you got a good, solid lawyer, rocking with you. that ain't in the pockets of the other motherfuckers. Because even your lawyers can be playing both of time. Be on some snake shit because they've been cool with the corporate lawyers and all of people since back in law school.

And they all under the same entity. So they all got the same oaths and beliefs and all of that shit. So that's the groundwork. So I'm going to tell you all what I have to do with every single season. Every single season they tell me I got to cut the budget. And I figure out how the ways to maneuver it. Because, again, they don't want a nigger to know his value. Even though our shit steady rising, they're going to try to find something.

They're going to tell me, well, you know, your 3 a.m. shows aren't really rating as much as well. Niggins, don't even fuck about that. We know what the numbers is doing online. So, again, we let them give it. They give us a number. And again, you know, the motherfucker's jobs to keep telling you a lower number. And that's every season. So the goal is they always want to seem like they got more power in this.

Like I said, there's a lot of people who ain't there no more who were in positions of power that would say stuff that like everybody's replaceable, you know what I mean? Like, and just, you're like, I, well, that ain't the brand I'm rocking with. Right. But I understand what you're saying because of what we've built, you know, nobody's bigger than a brand. You know, we're really trying to get to it. So as this loud outspoken motherfucker has always been from day one, he probably said, I don't even know, like, again, I don't know but you know he didn't he didn't have too many friends in higher places to say but he

looked like somebody that was as they considered a troublemaker and y'all remember there's been incidents where people would get now I'm not just saying you but there would be certain we'd have to have conversations with HR because we might have said something about a certain community we might have said something a joke or something that made someone uncomfortable and they went and complained about again smoking or whatever it's always if you get just like at any job somebody wrote writes you up too many time now you won't notice they're paying attention and you get the you get the jacket of a rival rouser or troublemaker that's just and you know we all been there

but he was probably one of the more louder ones so when he came up and again man we're going keep it a stack keep it a stake when everybody at no point that anybody say we don't want Carlos we don't want to be we all have representation and when the way it got back to me and a couple of other other executives is you know when it's time to renegotiate for your deal Carlos people rightly so was like Carlos don't want that deal Carlos won't more money Carlos wants it like has his represent all of our representatives have shown us and and even based off as we sit here right now they value all of us differently right and i'm the only one i get to see everything but you know even at the time they give he got holding deals

he's doing other shows he doing MTV movies so they value DC differently so they'll say well as long as we got DC we're good and like but you know we we all want to be good and then it's like so then i got i get put in a weird position like but i i don't i don't do the bullshit I want everybody back. Even then niggas Carlos don't like. I want everybody. Because that's, I know my budget is larger. And I can move it around.

I can get niggas more episodes. Because if I say, because like right now, our cast members, they try to get me down to six on six and with the team captain. So it's really, including myself, it's seven on seven. Y'all, I remember there's been seasons. 13 on 13. Because I was like, I want to make,

I can maneuver it around as much as I want. to. Right. So when they were like, all right, well, we're going to send everybody's deals out and we're going to see who comes back. You know, this shit even happened this season. When niggas don't come talking back the way they like it, they're like, oh, he doesn't want to do it anymore. And that's how it got. There's, like, Carlos isn't signing his deal. And I'm like, and I'm in the same position y'all, niggas, I almost didn't come down to this motherfucker until they got my money right. So as much as I'm going to hold it down and be like, but they do me the same way. And I got a hold tight stand on my square and be like,

nah, I ain't coming until you get till. And I see the numbers. I know what everybody get. I know the value. So in those situations when, again, you got struck, the people demand, we knew we wanted those back. But when the people, and y'all remember when they came back and we was all standing outside by the trailers,

you're like, yeah, you know, I don't know why Nick didn't want you, motherfucker, come over here and say that shit that you know how it is. Like, that ain't, that's never how it weighs. I'm gonna tell everybody, Nick cried when I came back, y'all. He cried when I came back. He cried when I came back. Did y'all see the episode? No, fuck the episode.

It was when it was before the camera came on. Yeah, the nigga hid in my dressing room. Yeah. And Nick, he cried. Ain't one of the bad. But that was one of the funnest episode ever. Actually, that was one of the, because when he came out, this is probably the only time we've done this.

as I know for speaking from our perspective, because that's the thing that, from my vantage point that always makes me say, well, damn, where does the, you know, what is the credit come in for the type of people that we are in the environment and understanding that was necessary. Because if we wanted to, we could just go out there

and just, I'm talking about, berate motherfuckers. And wouldn't be nothing nobody could do. You know what I'm saying? Like literally, it wouldn't be nothing they could be done. But we understand the structure of the disembarkers. It's a team sport, so we understand it. It's like, man, we gotta make everybody look good.

Hey, bro, don't do this, don't do that. Do this, do that. But that day when that nigga came back, we was like, nigga, get the fuck out the way. Move, if you don't do this shit at the highest level, sit down and watch, nigga. Right, that was it. That's the same episode, y'all got out

with my little brother. Shoes, yeah. That nigga's famous in the hood. Big ass food. All the way. That boy, that day, boy. They designed them Astro boots after that, he was the only one that had the heart to step up

and do something. Everybody else was like, frat, ah, is the, because that's the part of it that's mean the most of us. It's like, that shit. Like, nigger, that's the part where we be like, man, what is y'all, how do y'all not understand that this is? Because we entertain each other, when I see them go up, I'd be like,

what do you hear the nigger feel to say, man? When he go up, I'd be like, I know that nigga Chico got so clever to say. When I go up, I look at them, I get confirmation. They be like, nigger, I'm gonna fuck what you do. I'm like, yeah. But y'all are living example of solid. Like even all the shit we're talking about,

you ain't never seen no niggas root for each other like y'all root for each other. Like also, like, damn there's some rat pack type shit. And even them niggas broke up. You know what I mean? Like, y'all niggas really want to see each other win and understand y'all let y'all go all over this fucking world, every city-state and just vibe off of each other.

Name another. Nick, the king of comedy there and fuck with each other. Exactly. Like, the niggas was beefing backstage. Y'all niggas really fuck with each other, man. And the world has watched you get it out the mud and still keep it in the trap and still show loyalty and love. Like, I ain't, even, niggas, who done,

from D-boys to rappers, all the niggas break up. Don't they can't never break up, niggins, because y'all are on some shit where you literally are in front of the world a living example of what solid shit look like. Right. That's bad. Like, no, 85 South, that shit is about unity. Y'all niggins turn the whole fucking interstate into a gang.

It's a community unity. Yeah, I mean, but like I said, like the same way you say we fuck with each other, I can say genuinely, bro, we fuck with you. Man, that's love. That's really. We fuck with you. Like, niggas is like, like, we really love you, Slim. Like, if you, if we never did another episode of Wiling Out, like, the fact that you was willing to stand next to that shit is the most.

But that long. Like, niggas. A decade, nigg. That long. That's all of the shit that you did. All of the shit that you've done. While he is and stood next to us and said, aye, nigg. When you have.

around we was telling all of them over sit y'all last day on me y'all ain't going to work in the morning big yeah yeah my last my last day to my niggins say hi fuck it you know baby y'all digs be there i'll be there i'll be there together let's do it you can stay in more day i need come back got y'all three got to be together please that me i mean i would you did network yeah well see like yeah you say that now we're going to be there to buy Now, I understand high-go. I got to pay for that. But I want to see that work.

You got a lot of money. That's what I'm saying. I just invited the nigga to be on the episodes. What that mean we're going to charge you a lot more because we know you got more than you can spend. I'm about that thing, Nick right there. Oh, you have a lot. You have so much money. I got to ask you this.

We do got a good, because we'll be in here, nigger forever. But, like, I'm a big, big, like, proponent. what you said about the freedom of, you know, being able to say what you want and manipulating the media before you, like, before they get you. But, like, Lowe's always say shit to me, like all the time, he said, man, I wish,

Chico, I would go on shit and say ridiculous shit like you'd be saying, you know how much shit you're avoiding by saying the shit you say out loud? But for you, nigga, you take it to another level. Like, I got on the breakfast club and said, I don't never want to be married to be in a relationship. And I'd have been saying this shit for years. right right when I said it on the breakfast club nigger you should have seen the

comments and I'm talking about it was crazy nigger you be saying shit that I'd be like bro this is beyond honesty like this nigger got to be fucking with somebody like what is you as best as you can explain before we roll what is your perspective on relationships with women ah shit we're gonna be here we that's another episode I got to come back well we're talking about leading to the next episode it's energy man at the end of the day whatever makes you happy, that's what I offer. You know what I mean?

And luckily, and God has aligned me and blessed me to be able to do whatever I want to do, however I want to do it. It came about to tell me nothing. So when it comes to love, I offer, I'm 100% from the gate. I can say, yo, I can elevate you. I can take you to places you ain't ever been before, but you got to trust me. And it's going to be a different level of freedom, like to where I'm so confident in who I am, And hopefully the woman I'm dealing with is so confident in who she is that we can operate on some new shit.

And we don't got to get stuck in these old school traditional colonialism type of scenarios. So I'm like, look, you want to move, I move how I want to move, but I'm going to be offering so much. I'm going to be so much of a protector and a provider that you ain't going to miss a step. And then so from there, you, you don't everybody, everybody don't go for the shit. Right, right. You know, but I got to take those sacrifices that pretty much was like, all right, we built, we had time on this planet at a certain frequency where we was vibing, but you want different things out of life. The women who want the white picket fences and, you know, the monogamy, they're amazing women for a certain type of naked. I want somebody who want more than that.

I don't want somebody who is, who wants ownership. I want somebody who can grow and build some shit together. I've been seeing this shit for years. I've been seeing this shit for years. And your jury looking like they start to believe it. They're called to be crazy. No, this is not, ain't got nothing to do with that, that's a bill. But like to hear you say that at the level that you're at,

it's like, you know what I mean, okay, there is a level you can get to as a man and not be restricted. My granddaddy was, like his granddaddy, like it was... She's running our family. But I say this to say, it's not a scenario to where it's, scenario to where it's i mean as carlos would say pimping and giving them game it's actually real life shit like it's not coach that's the game but when you when i say you can be happy just how you play it here here you go you can be happier over here you know what i mean it's that's

pimping proper information motivates people hey positive images making moves mic making power moves yeah you see what but you know we're gonna get into we're we're going to get into all of the all the children and and all that, your perspective. We're gonna say that for the next. The next time, the next time, man. Maybe we know we're too good. I might say some wrong shit.

Man, we know you're extremely busy. We ain't gonna let you edit it out over here. No, we don't let's say anything crazy. We know you're extremely busy. We appreciate you stopping through here and fucking with this man. We're tearing deep in there. Come on, me and that, honey more.

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