The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - 85 SOUTH REPLAY: TRINIDAD JAMES in the Trap!

Episode Date: December 27, 2023

ORIGINALLY AIRED on January 10, 2023: Rapper and songwriter Trinidad James sits down with Karlous Miller, Chico Bean, Clayton English and Navv Greene. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Let's do it. All right. Dan, let's get serious. Yeah. That's good question in my next. I ain't never seen motherfuckers ready to work. I didn't know you was gonna make it one of these nights.

Can I sip with you? You're gonna make it a consummate. See, you're not even ready to go to work. I mean, anybody else, I... Thank you, brother. Thank you, brother. Yes, sir. Thank you.

And then you gotta stop the match his outfit. That's crazy. Come on. That's the type of shit you're doing shit when you're doing and get paper while your other niggas being lazy. Let's kick it off because it's never fool gazing. I had a lady, she tried to graze me. Try to graze you.

I get a pregnant, she might have two or three babies. At once. That's how I'm living and chilling, because I'd be pimping. And I'd be ducking on holes like Boris Simpson. I need a bitch with blue hair like Mars Simpson. I'm getting homer, trying to get the dorm. Do you smell the aroma of this marijuana?

Put a nigger in a coma. Now bring it back, just like a spine. I start at six, but I don't never stop at nine. Don't let it go over your head. Yeah, I ain't scared. Had bitches licking on my left leg. Nasty. Because I'm that nigger.

I do it's bigger. And I've been in the basement, but my name ain't ticker. Oh, way. Yeah. Damn, that's what you said. My shit too big can't up and go over my head. Okay, that you said. I keep it going.

Yeah. I keep on flooring. Come on. And everybody in the building, they be known. They be no one. You say you dunking on niggas like Bob Simpson. Yes, sir. Well, I'm a follow-up like Dominique Wilf.

Come on. Because I'm a go. That's how you know. Trinidad James in the motherfucking home. Nicar, nigger, nigger. I said, all go everything. I had a girl with some good coochie, even had an ear ring in it.

Just wait a minute. And let me tell you what I said, what I just said. Yeah, so she spread the legs. I seen the Pearson. I'm like, really? This is what we're doing? I chipped my tooth because on the coochie, I'll be chewing. You be chewing.

On the coochie. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's nasty. I'll be doing this shit. It's like the 80s. Like the 80s. Yeah, that's how you sing.

You chew on the coochie. Now, if green, he gets mean, he'd be eating it. And don't be shan. Because you could tell from the way that he be tan through meals and he on the doctor. I let me tell you about these dude. than what he doing. Because every time he gets the coochie, it'd be roomed. Yep.

He'd be walking in listening to a little oozy. I seen this nigga right here make a coochie smoothie. Ooh, damn, that's a man-wish. I heard you made a whole coochie sandwich and you manned it. Damn, listen that noise he just made. What the fuck was that?

Do it one more time, my Jay. Tichico D. God damn, why you say that, Because now I want to cooch yourself. Hey man, welcome back to the 85 South Show. Let's go! Let's go! Oh, it's not open.

It's not open. It's just... Bring it back. Go ahead, go ahead. All right, hold on. Well, let's get it right back where it was. This one right here is for the mothers and the cousins and stepbrothers. This for the gangsters and the pimps and the hustlers.

This for the crooks. Come on. This for the crooks. who are reading books. This for the pretty girls that hung up on their looks. That's right. This for the niggas.

That do it bigger. This for the white folks with big figures. This for the foreigners. This for the immigrants. This for the niggas who be wearing all them crazy pants. This for the chicks with real hair

that's longer than weave. This for the people who bought teeth that they didn't even need. Hey, that was kind of mean. I think you're talking about me with my uncircumcised jeans, but it's okay. Yeah, I get it right. These bitches make me walk down the steps

like Willie Dynamite. I ain't playing. Here what I'm saying. Trenton that James in the trap and we ain't playing. You know it's down. You know what's up. Jay-yo went playing that pimping that what the fuck. Yes, sir.

Hey man, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the 85 South Show. Voted. This podcast was voted. This vote that most likely to smell like weed. Oh, man. Yes, sir. Most likely. Most likely.

We got a very special guest in the trap with us today. Come on, man. You know, we're on the whole street with this ghetto legend shit. Come on. So we went and got us a certified ghetto legends. Come on. Man, this dude started off with a mixtape,

giving them out in the city for the free, man. I'm talking about hustling every way you went, You saw them. I mean, I picked up one at the mall one day buying some shoes. I fucked with it. I played it. Palate that shit to some of the, being part of some of the biggest hits.

Some of your favorite song. All the way of it. One of the coldest writers. One of the most creative motherfuckers that it will come through here, man. Very entertaining. Come on. Hey, man, you might know him as the shoe plug.

Some people call the nigg of Nick James. Come on. Some people call the Trinidad. He introduced himself to the hoses just dead. Come on, man. My plurip partner, him on, man. Trinidad, Jay. Yeah, right.

Right, right. All right. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. He's all right. Oh, yeah.

He's an arm short. His arm's got alligator. He got all right. You know, man, boy. I want to take welcome back to the trap. Thank you. Yeah. In the trap, right.

He's been a part of plenty of trap. Oh, yeah. I was in a pre-trap. Yeah. Pre-trap. Yeah. So man, just welcome. Make yourself at home.

Oh yeah, I love it, man. How y'all feeling today? Shit, amazing. Amazing, man. Nice, nice, nice. It's, you know, like, you had one of them moments in hip hop that is you can't, you can't even explain, you know, it's not too many people who had that moment where you take over the whole world on your first one.

Yes, sir. You know, I mean, it's kind of like that, you know, I don't even know what to compare it to, because it's, it's, everybody knew that song. I mean, my daughter used to be. singing that shit when it first came out and she was a little girl i'm there whoa pop to molly i'm that that's part too and it was everybody i mean and it's just like that that energy that you created with that like i always wanted to ask like is it a level of pressure that comes with having one that's so major on your first one is it easier to never have to try to create that again

or do you continuously try to create that again um it's all about the resources and knowledge that you come into it with it. If you asked me this question 10 years ago, I'd be like, nigger, this shit hard. Don't ask me this question right now. Whatever, but 10 years later, I still look good, I'm still successful and I feel even better about the 10 years in front of me. I'm going to tell you that

it's a balance of both. Because when you do win big in the beginning, the resources that are open to you are amazing. It's great. You know, the resources to make something else like that, it is there. But you have to

understand your artist type. And what I mean by that is all artists do art, but some art is kind of not needed to be tainted by mainstream. However, I think that when you're making music, it has this different demographics for it. And so you could either get, you got to understand what's good for your spirit outside of what's good for your bank account. However, that's what I'm going to say to you. So I had to realize at an early age in this game, that like, he's like, Do I really want to go through everything that it comes over having a number one song every single summer? But you can tell, I was just about to ask you that, though, because it's like, when your song did, first blow up, you remember about the first two Hallowings after that?

Yeah. All the kids dressed up, it's trending there, doing it. And so I had a long, long legs, man, long life, as they say. Like, it get ran. Yeah. I mean, Justin Timberlake did it on Saturday Night Live. When I saw that, or, yeah, one of those times, I was like, when I saw that, I was like, okay. You got to understand I'm coming out of the real Atlanta streets

with not a background in music. I like my background is the streets and being an immigrant. So for me, it's different. It's like you have to get out of that, I can't speak for anybody else. For me, I had to get out of that phase of not deserving it, feel like I didn't deserve it, or wondering if I deserve it.

That imposter syndrome. Or just wondering. Like when you don't have no background in, that type of success in your whole family and you're the first of the generation, you're a first of your kind in your own family. You know, you're going to wonder.

Did that come from like the blogs and the media though? What aspect? What kind of? Like you're thinking that you ain't deserve it. Like, you know what I'm saying, feeling like that. Or feeling like what you were there. I think that part of it would, you know,

but I think also the reaction of the people around you that's closest to you that you know. Also, when you start to see those people change or people change for the good and the worse, you start to realize you start to realize you're doing something that matters.

Gosh. But if you don't know what you're doing just as yet, you're trying to understand like, what matters. Is it the moment? Is it me? Is it the music? Is it the money? Is it the jury?

Like, what is it? You know what I'm saying? So that's what I had to wrap my head around in the beginning of the song. It's like, what is actually mattering right now? Bro, you dealt with the criticism better than any entertainer we didn't seem in the industry. Hold on, before we get on there and say, well, they're all kind of crazy shit about you. And I see you respond, he's like, well, shit,

I don't give a fuck, I'm straight. He gets the criticism, but I don't think you'd be getting applaud. Like, we're just talking about, we're talking about this first single you hit it, all go, everything. That shit encapsulated what the club scene was like at it. I don't think people realize that shit.

You have to think about that. I'm giving you the perspective of a person, not a rapper going out. A person. going now. MJQ, all these spots, all these clubs, like it gave you the vibe of the after hours. And he was telling you this.

After hours, this motherfucked up on Molly, everybody feeling their motherfucking self, nigga. That's why we did our 10 year anniversary concert at MJQ. Congratulations, God. Big 10, baby, big 10, big 10, man. A lot of the motherfuckers were trying to write you off in the beginning.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I want to get all about Martin and all that shit. I understand now that my knowledge at 10 years. And 10 years is not a lot in this game, but it's enough for me the way that I paid attention to it to just understand why people say the things that they say. The truth of it is kind of what you got to keep to yourself

to not let that shit matter. Or whatever, it's like, damn, is that shit true? Do I actually take this look from Martin? When I realized that the things that people were like going, viral off of it wasn't actually true. And that shit don't really make no difference unless I really entertain it. I was like, oh, dude, y'all tripp.

I was like, you can't beat me. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't beat me. Like, you might get me down today because I'm human and I can't be goddamn 1,000 confidence every single day. Or whatever, but nigga, this two will pass, like they say in the Bible.

You know what I'm saying? But, I mean, it definitely passed and I think it gave more light to the shit. Every time I see me on a big platform like this one right here, whatever at this point in time i feel like they just wonder like damn what that nigger got going on now what the fuck like i keep writing this nigger off and he keep writing himself back on however like you you don't control my narrative you just control your perspective of the art you know what's that

yeah yeah did it make it what's the nails so these were dedicated to uh my first album all go everything so i say don't believe me just watch and then um dad for the pinky i did the gold chains obviously for the gold chains. That's the dollar sign just I always do for my James. This is my Sockony sneaker, my first sneaker. And then this is me. Old character. Yeah, I mean, my whole body is art.

I look at tattooing is art. I don't look at it as like, oh, a job. It's like, when you do it well, I don't look at my nail text. This is a black lady from Atlanta named Dassa effects. How much he texted? These are, you know, she can be up there. These a lot.

It's a lot. I know how much the jail nails be for the late winter. Yeah, I got that on my shit. Yeah, you know what I mean? They beat ass you twice when you ask for the, you sure you want jail? They pull that this, that laminated sheet out, it's doing the extra.

Yeah, I want that. So that's why I just, I see how you looking at below. That's why I was asking, that's it. That's it. I just got regular fingers and shit. Hold on, hold on, hold on. And then on my fingers can pussy in my fingers. I got combs in the cuticles, big.

And how are you there? Regular shit, you know what I'm saying? You said, Don't believe me, just watch. Mm-hmm. How does that look? Don't believe me just watch, bro. It is like, we gonna be all right.

It's a, it's a Negro spiritual. I was just about to say that. Because when you said, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, I feel like you unlocked all the powers of the runaway slaves or some shit. I didn't know. On some music, shit, you're a music nerd. We were all your kind of music guy or whatever.

Or whatever, dilated peoples or tribe, and one of them had a song that had a nigger, nigger, nigger part in it. However, back in the day before me, I didn't have even, I never heard it. I never heard it. I never heard it until like, my own is. Hey, man, you did this because of what's it called it?

I was like, man, I never even heard that song. I felt bad I'd never heard of this song, or whatever, but, you know, once again, these things are just in our culture. If you're gonna look at old Pimpsey, he was saying, or old Noriega, He was saying slime, the word, you know what I'm saying? 15 years ago.

He was saying clout in the 90s, you know what I mean? All of it is nothing is, you know, Nah said that nothing's new under the sun, you know what I mean? Everything's been done. Huh? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's crazy.

Twerking ain't had a shit to do with dancing. Yeah. Jeez. I'm gonna make it twerk. I'm gonna twerk something. I'm gonna twerk something. Right. And he wasn't talking about.

You can't say that shit now. I know, right? You can't tell. It mean, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go to get it in. You ain't got to say Paul. I'm gonna go twerk. But that's the thing like that, you know,

on that song specifically just that one, you was rapping, but it was like you was preaching on that motherfucker. Like, it was just the way you were saying what you was saying, it was so easy to follow and it was like you was painting a picture for anybody who hadn't been to Atlanta, even if you didn't see the visual,

because when the visual came out, it took it to another level. But if you never been to Atlanta and then you hit that song, you're like, nigga, where is these places- intro, man? This ain't for no fuck, nigga. You're a real nigga.

Been fuck with me. Come on. Straight up. I'm doing the Lord's work. When I look at it, come on, man. He was, you know, it's like this nigga was in the club and he saw everybody he shout out on that shit. Spare, man.

And I'm seeing all that shit, yeah. And I mean, all the way. And I went Instagram first on high. To even have a perspective, Let's break down the song a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Fuck, nigger had just became a word that was really, really cranking in our city,

like a fighting word. Yeah. Or whatever. So it was the most disrespectful word. It was the most attention-grabbing word. So I was like, you got to start out the project with that. Because that's our culture. Mind you, I'm not coming to this as a rapper,

because my background is not being a rapper. My background is being a stylist and a human and a fashion nigga and a street nigga and selling weed and selling Molly, like hustling. You know what I'm saying? I don't know how rappers think. I don't even give a fuck. dressed better than them in my head

15 years ago, you know what I'm saying? Like in my head, I'm like, you know what I'm a stylist. I'm styling artists. I'm styling Travis Porter than them. I'm styling scream and DJ Holiday. And this coming off the Rockinard shit. Just about it. You know what I'm saying? Way like way before.

Stupid fruity swag. Right. Yeah. They was that stupid fruity swag. Yeah. I remember brother to say I can do Jay Money. Being one of the clients that came down to store and shit like that. He, you know what I'm saying? So anyways, it's kind of like taking it.

So like, boom, fuck, nigger. Strongest word, most disrespectful word in our culture, start there. You know what I'm saying? Then I worked at the Waffle House, that's right by Chester Bridge. So I knew all the strippers and onions. I learned so much from those girls

from working the night shift being the cook that spoke to him, because I cooked my eggs. I was like, oh, damn. Hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Tell him the strip of plate. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. This man needs to be hustling. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

The strip of plate. The stripper house cooked. Huh? Yeah. Yeah. See how that nigga teeth used to look, nigga, it went perfect with the Waffle House. You know, that's the real, man.

It looked like, when he first came out, he looked like a nigga that would work at the Waffle House. And he's missing that small toothing right there. It's like a crack. Yeah, you know, this nigger can raise. Billy Humberman in his mom. That's really what it is. We're not going to talk about how Waffle House is a Hibachi.

Oh, definitely. It is a Habachi for breakfast. You just niggins just turned his back. turn it back to you. And I flip the grill on this side so you can put it. I don't want to look at you while you make my fault. Yeah. He just don't do no tricks.

No tricks. No tricks. No, he's doing the Lord's work. What? Come on, man. So yes. One more time, what the stripper plate is for all people at home. For anybody that didn't hear it, the stripper plate, and it might have changed because

girls have, it's a nuance and girls have elevated. These bids these cram legs. They didn't get off work at 4 or 5 in the morning eating that type of lamb chops. They're juicy cream. Yeah. And Jesus fingers is like. That's a good point right then. When did all the lambs become available to the black community?

I grew up my whole life, never seeing nobody eat lamb. Now all of a sudden, they got lamb lollip chops and, nigger, where the fuck that the lambs come? When did they migrate to the Negro community, bro? What year was that? The motherfuckers that ate up all the crab legs. Oh, yeah, they disappeared. It's a big crab was gone.

They go. Nigger crabs had like a motherfucker They didn't even show up. Crams like a grubber. How good juice of crab is. That's crazy. Somebody crab spot is about to feel the real inflation. When COVID hit, that's what COVID hit.

Yeah, that's what niggas is. The COVID probably brought all new animals into the... They got lunching on. Lamb chopping pancakes. Niggas is just into them now. It's lamb chops and waffles. Lamb chops and everything. You know, we get shit slow.

It's racism's fault. Think of how much delicious shit we ain't even had yet. Oh yeah, that's real. I'm talking about shit that we ain't even got. got a hoot of yet. Well, the hood grocery, what grocery store? A lot of time. Wait the niggas really cooked prim real.

Escar go. That's right. Yeah, exactly. His escar go for breakfast time. See, this niggis is a season. Well, we think that's going to stop making roast. We just ain't never seen a prime rib done. Yeah, they always look like that thing.

You got to eat a prime rib. That bit be. Ain't no telling me what else. White man pink in the middle. But you know, I gotta say this, the garnish, like the ultimate compliment on the video was you holding the puppet. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And the hand movements, too, you know what I'm saying? It was just, it was player, man. My question to you is, being from Atlanta, like you said, from the streets of the perspective that you had coming into the game, what was your reception like for the people that knew you prior to you blowing up? Um, it was, it was interesting. Like the nigga used to sell weed and Molly to when they say you grew up. Oh, my goodness. I mean, well, you see, the beautiful thing is that no matter what level, whatever media, whatever. Fuck!

It's my fucking on me! God damn! The fact that we can't see here and just hear the niggas and say that's amazing, man. That nigga just lost his job. But it was a blessing, bro. So me being never, I love to answer these questions now because I just understand everything. Because I never fuck nobody over,

it was like, they was happy as hell. Because I was somebody that was in their circle and we was all flipping money between each other. It's like a shit, it's like, I make money off of selling all these shoes and all this modeling, and then I buy with you from you, and then you do, do, do you know what I'm saying? It's like, whatever you needed, we had a community. Ponzi scheme.

I was a big part of this community where I already felt cool. I didn't do music to be cool. I didn't music to take care of my mama and be able to own my own business and stop having to work for somebody. I didn't do music to be famous or I was already cool in the coolest city in the world. You know what I'm saying?

My version are cool. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, well, you're not a Gucci man, TIG. But there's so many levels to cool in this city once you really establish what your worth is and your intention. However, that I had made a name for myself from a fashion standpoint

providing the drip to something. many people or whatever. And if I wasn't doing music, I probably had one of the best sneakers stores in Atlanta, Georgia, because that's the only thing I would have to focus on. Here's the thing that I already was becoming a big, huge asset for the city. You know what I'm saying? It's bigger than my partner, going back to your question or whatever, like the people around me, they were just happy because they knew that I was a person that was like, he deserved it. Or whatever. I didn't even know he was doing music, but he ain't a bad person. the blessing was just something they was all thankful for.

That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Because you got so many artists in Atlanta. You got so many people who rap in Atlanta that's been doing it for so long that never got anywhere near close to having even a local hit, but something that go worldwide like that. Like that probably can breed a lot of, you know, envy, you know, from people. So for you to not have that experience, it's a blessing. I think that that's one of the greatest things talking to y'all now, being at an official 10 years.

is that over these 10 years, he's, whatever, 365,000 days, whatever that is, or 36,000 days maybe, the people who started off jealous in the first five, however, I stayed so consistent that we're cool. However, I've looked at my, being able to even make my enemies get closer to me. Right. Damn near. Or whatever, where it's like, you're not an enemy because you realize, Like, damn, you're just missing.

Yeah, you're misinformed about what you thought I was going to do. You thought I was going to take my fame and shit on you. I never shit on you. I just really stayed focused on me, which I didn't left me no time for you. That don't mean I shouldn't on you. I just don't have no time for you because I need to focus on me in order to take care of what actually matters, the thing that we got into this trap for to take care of our families.

I'm still in the trap. It's just a better look at one. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's real. That's real shit, man. You're good in this city

and you do good business. Yeah, like you said, people fuck with you. Off the comedy shit, we'd have seen that shit firsthand. Think of people like my boy Ticket Jerry. Like, my boy Ticket Jerry, the first tickets,

the first Hawks game I ever went to is because I gave him some jeans from my store for the tickets. You know what I'm saying? My first car I ever got was Ticket Jerry and I crashed it. His brand new fast-ass challenge. He had like a 3-2-5

to Bumblebee position. and one of them challengers, $392. However, I crashed at the Kroger Park lot right here in West End into a park car. You know what I'm saying? And he was like, it's all good. Whatever, you know what I'm saying? And when they got another car.

That's crazy. The Atlanta barter system is crazy. I could take care about you paying it back anything. What you can bother in Atlanta is probably different than any other city in the world. Hey, with these neck to reach the tickets. You know what I mean? You probably can just trade off some shit in Atlanta. You can't trade off nothing.

Just because of the shit that's available in this city, you know what I mean? Like, you fuck around and just, hey, man, look, dude, you get me a lap dance, so I, you know. Bro, but ticket Jared, he could go to any city. Ticket Jared be close in any city. Like, this nigga damn, they'll be on the court. Like, players got to dribble around that, nigga. Who is that? Ticket Jared, who he said?

He got the team. Anything, Super Bowl. He's the best. World Series. In 10 years, he's the best. I'm talking about, niggins get your tickets while the shit going on. I had just got my mom. from Mary Jay Blatt ticket from the

mind blowing to me Ticket Jerry They know him You got to know him When you get there It's gonna be some other people like Are you fucking Ticket Jerry? Yeah, yeah

shit I wonder if Ticket Jerry ever got us to tickets to our shit Brobler's hell yeah The bigger you Why would you get Ticket J ain't gonna get the tickets to your shit

God damn Ticket Yeah. Man, he already got the sweets for the show coming up. Come on, man. No matter what the fuck it is. Guarantee.

He's never failed. Man. He's never failed. My family. He's never failed. My family's friends. Never failed. Not one-time failed.

Thousand percent. You know what I did. I never heard a negative Yelp review about this nigger. Never. Never. Like, you didn't ever get some of tickets, chico. No. Florida's made whether of tickets.

Right. That nigga get tickets to anything. Anything. Anything. Disney on ice. He's going to get to. Everything. Whitney Houston Funnel.

He's gonna get into the game. Just go up to the game. He's gonna be an old man sitting on the bench. When he get up off the bench, the ticket gonna be under the bench, under your shirt. It's yours. Damn, ticket jazz. This niggas, the wizard of tickets, man. Fuck us.

This thing is the, is it only in Atlanta? Everywhere. It could be Drake in London at the O2 arena. What? Call them. Tell them. Jerry, I lost my tickets. I did more tickets.

Chico, got them. The best time to fall. Follow Ticket Jared is doing Valentine Day, the goddamn extravagance. The nigger take his girl to Greece one day. They back in Atlanta court side at a game. Like, he do shit like that. So the women follow him.

So the women showing you what this nigga doing. What are you talking about Tick? He's doing all this shit. He's just not a job. Why he got brought some shit in there? Because if you listen to him, you're gonna be feeling type of way. Because Jerry take care of his woman so good, your woman gonna be like, so what you doing, Chico?

Not a motherfucker thing. Take this point out. My girl don't need to be fine. You need to be trying to get in contact with her. Like I'm trying to get in contact with this name. Oh, stop. Stop trying to act like you aren't great guys. Oh, I'm definitely a great guy,

but I ain't ticket Jerry in the way y'all niggins talking about. But Ticket Jerry helped you get there. Oh, yeah, I need. Because you get them tickets to them. I'm trying to get to a man. He got the blue frame. That's what I'm trying to get to it. I'm trying to be some business with your Ticket.

It's some shit I want to see. I want to see Taylor Swift. Nick, it's something that I would never get a ticket to. I'm gonna try to get a ticket. I'm gonna be one if I can get a ticket. Man, that nigga might have you introducing her. That nigga's so goddamn cold with the ticket shit. Damn.

Yeah, the backstage pass. You back there with her mama and dumb. Come on, man. Smoking hookah. Yeah. Damn. Dricking Jack Daniel's lemonade. You know it's a Leverna.

Chico, guess what his Instagram name is? Ticket Jack? Nigger, you know. Come on. This is the best promo of the whole sense. All he needs is a ticket. He has a real chain from Icebox. Chains.

Say, take a jam. Yeah. What do you mean? You got a commercial on the radio? Whoa. America's finest, Atlanta's best. Right. Nicky don't miss, man.

You used to have a little shit down the buckhead, right? Then they have a little. Take that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get on the couch. Get on the couch.

Yeah, definitely. He's going to tell you some shit because he's been to everybody show. That's what I'm saying. He's going to, he knows what, sir. But that's exactly how you get in the trap with the ghetto legends, bro. Another ghetto legend have the suggestion. Oh, you can't call like that? Yeah, you got to get a house.

Yeah, you got to get a record. Yeah, you got to get into the trap and speak your name. We got boho-hoes. We got bohoes and so-hoes. Man, hey, we got moholes and so-hoes. You got lohos and so-ho. Man, I'm telling you. Chico, you see what going on?

If a bitch don't want to go on this, So-Haw. Nah, my ain't got no service. It tick, T-I-C-K-E-T. You need to spend it. Oh. Then never. Ticket underscore, Jared. Huh?

Yeah, yeah. It's got a underscore. It might be. It might be underscored. Oh, okay. He should be verified. He should be verified. He verified in the hood.

You need to deal with stub-hub. Man, what's you talking about? I'm sorry. Sorry, I don't know. Hey, hey. Hey, man, I'm sorry. I don't like, buddy. You know what?

Okay, I'll see. Play the fucking. You know what? Hey, however you get your tickets, feel free to get them. Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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The way that the bag works is the business that I'm happy that I learned. Getting the initial big bag at first, it more tied to my childish ways when it was like, oh, damn, I got a lot of money. Cool. However, but I had made more money before that from that. But not overall, over time. You see, money is about making it travel. Not the moment of it

The further you can throw money Is the better Having money right in the moment It's like, that's what you're saying The further you can throw money The longer it's going to last You know what I'm saying If you got all of them

Yeah, I'll let it simmer That's real Because in my mind It's Randy Moss going to get the money So you just got to put it up there Yeah, just throw it And they're consistent And don't look back

Too much how whatever, because you'll miss it and just keep going and then when it's time to put your arms out receive what you deserve. Catch it. Because if you drop it, that's on you. This nigga, a philosopher now.

I ain't know this shit had turned into a financial budget, but that's like, this shit starts hitting. This shit's going to pop up with my man's sad guru. It's going to pop up with the little Indian Yon doing because it's philosophical.

Fuck that music, bro. Talk about that in money. No, bro, I'm telling you. Nigey said, totally money. Taking it back to it. Seconding back to it, because I wanted to get too lost in translation. The Bruno Mars thing was amazing. But at the time that it happened, if I'm being honest with you,

it happened when I was in my most depressed state as an artist. And actually, I never got depressed until I got into music. Like, I've never been depressed. What did you think triggered that in the music industry? Success. Like, you want to be successful, bro. Like, to take back to your original first question, right? When you asked about, you know, when you get that big success off the top

or whatever, wanted to keep up with that, or whatever, bro, I'm an athlete. First, I play basketball, ran track and football. How whatever, like, I'm a very competitive person because I played all these sports in high school. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, that part of me is like,

I want to kill all these niggas, da-da-da-da-da, whatever. I would want to kill it for, like, my brand that I'm built. It ain't even about, like, I'm trying to be a better rapper than Kendrick, or whatever shit. I've already just met this man. And like I was saying earlier, like, damn, the energy that he showed me 10 years ago,

nine years ago when we first met was where it's like I'm not in the competition with you actually I just name dropped your name in the song and then that ended up being the remix the bitch don't kill my vibe Trinette James and I was like oh what the fuck you know what I'm saying imagine me

the nigga out of the concert big concert I'm kind of like the biggest name but he is who he is at that moment I whatever like I'm kind of bigger than him where like the kids are a little bit more ready to see me than him to a certain extent

and I don't know weird shit just like because of the yeah he's the woman's like I'm a southern nigga And I'm just giving the culture at that time literally the energy we need. It's like the person, like I, not the equivalent, but somebody that gives, that I think gives the culture the energy that they need right now is like Glorilla. Like the energy that the culture wants in a party is her song. Love glow, man, all the way. You know what I'm saying?

They hold a little click. When the culture wants something and you to provide it, they hold on to it. like I think that young she got way more songs than the song that's going crazy how whatever because I like her but what I like to pay attention and that's why I started to start working on my new album here in

Atlanta and only working on it really here in Atlanta is because this is the perspective that matter the reason why you appreciate I'll go everything is because that is the perspective of somebody that is not trying to be famous but literally like this was going on for a nigga

that's trying to be cool The level of Atlanta nigger cool, which is like, you know, Atlanta niggas think that we God's gift to earth in this fucking fucking talk. You got to. You know what I'm saying?

Like, bro, our descendants are outcast and this person and that person, you know, so for me, taking it all the way back, you know, all the lessons that I've learned, but the lesson taking it back to your questions about the Bruno thing, I was very depressed at the time. So when the initial play came through,

I was like, I don't care. Y'all fucking me over anyway. Fuck y'all. How whatever, so it wasn't awful. To your people or to the overall system? To the system. Whatever, my people brought the play to me. I would have like, hey, bro,

Bruno Mar is fucking with you. He wants to do something and I'll go everything. However, I felt such a distaste in my mouth towards the game and everybody. And the distaste came because the difference between the streets and the industry is many of them. But one of the distinct differences that I'm going to touch on right now is that when somebody does something

that is legitimately some fuck-nicker shit, you cannot really whoop their ass. You could. Without consequences that really affects you. You know what I'm saying? It would greatly affect your bottom-off. And I'm speaking corporate. I ain't even even, all right, this is one thing.

I would have them. Those niggas fight all the time privately on some secret circle shit and keep going and just be having to be fabri. Like, why these things are being fair? Because these niggas be fighting the concerts that you don't see you. be fighting at this and he niggas got to fight in the bathroom in the airport and you wasn't there right you're talking about the real ganges with the suits and the pens yes the corporate people or whatever they will do something that is legitimately disrespectful to your culture to you as a black man or black woman to you as an artist no matter your race and it is nothing that you can do and if you come from an environment like i do however that is how we were taught to handle certain levels of disrespect i'm a conversating type of

My conversation is pretty damn on point. But there's been things in this game in the way that it's been done where it's like, well, I don't want to do no talking. I want to put my hand on the face. So you're saying they got ass whooping type disrespect that's just the norm around this motherfucker. Yeah.

On that level of like, fuck talking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You imagine you walk in, you hear your shit on the top of the commercial and you don't have no say-so in nothing. And they were like, thanks for making the song, man.

You did it as a solid. Black motherfucker. Right, that's what you hear. Shicking outside the door, nigger. That's what you hear, bro. She's God. That's what you hear. Damn!

That's what you hear. Hey, why don't you use those big lips and eat some of that fruit over that? Yeah. You need to get this monkey up in there. Hey, get a Kool-A packet in here. Oh, man. Hey, look what I got.

You wish went platinum. Guess what we're giving you? A watermelon cherry Kool-Aid. Yeah. Man, your mammy will be really proud of that one, wouldn't she? Yeah. Like, how do you deal with that? Talk, speak to that.

Like, how do you get through that? Like, because I think that's what a lot of people who watch this that are on, you know, because we got a lot of people that watch us that don't even know that they on the cusp of becoming the most successful that they ever became in their life. So these are things that we need to get up to get out there.

Like, how do you get past that? What's the way to navigate past seeing that, feeling that, and not being able to do nothing? How do you walk out of that room and still continue to be whoever you are before you walked in? I think that my first thing I would say to you is staying focused on outworking the opinion,

outworking the room. You got to understand your advantage. Your advantages, well, my advantage is I'm the culture. I'm really outside. their advantages they have spent their life learning the business and how to take your culture

and monetize it. Or whatever. So that instead of focusing on the oppression, I think you should focus on the knowledge that you lack. And then that being able to

fight it is what allows you to kind of like be in a better position. Now to answer a little bit more detailed to your question. I have been blessed enough to not get that extreme stuff happened directly to me. But

microaggressions, I think you've heard people say that in the workforce, I feel like those are the things that a lot of the newer people in labels don't realize that they're doing. And the ones that do, older people, they know what they're doing. They don't give a fuck.

It's like, your parents. Yeah, mama, if that's how she cooked this shit, that shit could be nasty as hell. She'd been cooking it that way for 37 years. Nigger, that's how it's getting cooked. It's the same thing with the older people in the label thing or whatever. If James Brown took this contract,

shouldn't that James took this contract. Right. Or whatever. It ain't necessarily personal, my nigga. Or whatever, it's just like, it's just the business. This is how we do it. If you never beat me in court to make me change this contract,

I'm going to keep using this contract, my nigga. you know I think that the industry is changing for the better because more people of color coming into it but even outside of more people in color it's not about us we are always going to try and figure out how to be team us whether it's a click or all of us but the newer races of people that are coming into understanding that these old dinosaur ways are not even appealing to them

so the new white A&Rs new white CEOs or whatever like some of these guys now being 10 years in this shit I met them when they were just a mid-level A&R and now they're like SVP of this record label and shit like that. And you can see when they pull a white man move because they just can't help that they're white. I hate acts of white people to do black shit.

It's like, bro, I expect a white person to do white shit because he's white. That's what he knows. When he goes to his house and lives his lifestyle and you go to your house and live your lifestyle, it's different or whatever. Like, let's take our families. It's different.

So unless you take the actual conscious effort to do your homework on somebody's culture, you will always be buttoned heads or whatever because I don't want to keep blaming somebody for something that you've been doing for 500 years. I need more knowledge to beat it. I need to beat it. I need to beat it. If I don't beat it, I need to make sure that I leave enough things, enough interviews with other brothers and other sisters and other people, whoever the racist person I'm talking to, whereas, like, we figure this out because it's people. outside of being black, they want to beat it. I feel like if you don't love black people,

you should be getting no money off of them. Like if you don't love the fuck out of black people, you shouldn't be able to promise. That's everybody. No, give me the fuck. That's mine. I mean, I respect it. But you just mind me.

If you don't, let's talk about it. Let's take it. Let's take it to cars. Let's take it the cars. If a white man fix your engine, ain't you gonna pay them? Or if you fix a white man

Pay everyone. It's business. Pay everyone, baby. Oh, yeah. I know. I understand that. Better question, though, is do you think, like, if you want to take it all the way back to white, you know, if you're just speaking white black, white.

You should be doing my agent. You can't say that too. You can't say that. Okay. That's what you're saying. That's right. You get up. It depends on what you let me for.

You shouldn't be able to just goddamn go home and be like, listen, we're white over here. You've just been making money off black people all day. But that's what? why I love you because I'm able to That's what you said. And I can show you love as long as the profit margin is there. So you want a nigga

to be loved. If I ain't got nothing and you ain't got nothing, then come on jumping the car, I ain't going to see you walk down the street. That type of love. So whatever you got a hundred white artists on your black label, how should that live in the room? Well, I want that. I'm trying to sign as many TikTokers. I feel like a nigga

It's possible. I feel like Acon is like the shower of like, hey, I have a Bieber. Yeah, Lady Gaga. Gaga, it's like, it's possible. But he's not, he not, he not. Yeah, but he was, he got a fade into the back, like on that I feel like. He's not a, from, from the homeless.

See, how did you say that? Okay, I got a point. Okay. I would never see a black man on a country music label and he got a hundred white artists signed the fucked up deals and he'd getting rich as fuck off of them. It wouldn't work the same way.

Okay, we would do it. We would do it. Right, he wouldn't be like, yeah. Yeah. He couldn't goddamn come over to, like, Big Red wouldn't be at the Big Red and white people. Yeah, like he'll make all his money off of white people music. Then he'd come over here and act like he motherfucking Dr. Dre or shit.

Listen here, Toby. And you know what's crazy, though? It might be a nigga that did that they just never let us know who he is. Right. But I mean, we'll never get to know who he is. So you say, what you say? What are the things to other races that they were pissed off about? Like when Michael Jackson bought a boy in their catalog.

They were friends. We had the paper. That was a business move. But he didn't sell it back to him. He wasn't supposed to. Fuck him. Yeah, I mean, fuck up. If you my friend, you know.

Nah, me, nah, nah, I ain't gonna say you back again. I ain't gonna say you back your jokes. Chico. You say what now? You pawn me your jokes. And you need the money. Man, if I'm the Beatles, fuck them jokes. Oh, you say a Mike fucked up for that.

Nigger, no. You can have had them goddamn jokes. Mike, well, I'm gonna buy some of your shit. Mike, can I buy some of your shit? Mike, can I buy my jokes back? Hey, Mike, Mike, hello Mike, can you, can you, give me my... We're struggling over here. Give me my soul's back, right.

They're telling me they're going to take one of my boots. I need at least one of my... No, I'll see what you said. I'll see what you said. Mike about that shit one too many times. They put that shit over the Nike commercial. You were like, all right, I'm not playing. Stop asking me.

Not selling you... What is it said? As Paul McCarton, the lawyers could stop me. Slaughter of them pockets had them tied to a rocket. Hey, man. Michael Jackson ain't gotta do shit for you. So he got hit up a couple times. Ain't gonna tell him where he had Mike fucked up.

The girl is mine. That, that, no. The girl is mine. Ports like that are sports that are standing. You don't know what went on when the... When the... What like you said... What they might have fell through?

Facts not. They might have fell through. Paul might have got drunk when that. I'll give me your fucking money when I feel like it. Okay. Hold on though. Hold on. Hold on.

You gotta go. step further because you know Paul said Mike asked him what's the best way to make money as an artist and Paul was like by publishing to other artists and he went and bought their shit

so he gave him the game but he ain't mean go buy my that's what I heard he ain't buy my shit man so that's even colder but like for you being in the game 10 years now that's an eternity for you know any artists to do anything like how much do you credit the fact that

not just the music but like something that I always looked at you for just because of some shit I'm into just the fashion how much do you credit that and stretching you these 10 years? At least 50% images during that James superpower. You have to understand your superpower. Do you have to look at some shit

and be like, this too far? The dress stuff. The dress stuff, like wearing a dress? You wore a dress? Mm-hmm. I've wore... I wore... Hey! That's cool in what part.

You're just like, go on. Let me get a water look. That's too. That's too far. I want to call it, it's... I know I understand the fashion perspective of it. Because, mind you, I'm really the person. I don't judge nobody.

That's why you'll see gays at my show. You'll see whites. You'll see... But you're going to see the most left-and-centre people how to Trin the James show. that James show. Or the most left-a-center of fans of music

that you're in that James' fans. However, why is that? I don't ask that question no more. I just cultivate these niggas and just want to build things to build communities and build metaphorses and build things to cultivate all these left-and-centered

people that my frequency speaks to them. My confidence speaks to them. That's what it is. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I forgot what your question was. The fashion.

But yeah, like, you know, image is everything, man. You know, that's, that's my, I started as a stylist before a musician. Right. I started in fashion before I ever picked up a mic. So images, I always felt that I had image handled because artists were coming to me to dress them before I ever did music. Who's some of your fashion influence? I just was about to ask that I got to get it. I got to get it.

So, of course, Andre 3,000, James Brown, Little Richard. Prince. Yes. Yes. Escarita. If you don't know Escarita, Little Richard kind of got his swag from Escarita. Yeah, I know.

Back in the day, yeah. My grandfather played for Little Richard's band. He played the horn. The Lord Rich's man. Clifford Berks. Yeah, my grandfather. I don't think I heard this before. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, no, that's my grandfather. Y'all welcome. Y'all welcome. I'm putting the question. Yeah. Clifford. Yeah. Oh, man.

Hey. Welcome back to 815. Yep, show, hey, man, hey, yeah. Just found out, Chico Brenda and was that niggie back in. We're going to get old lady. But those people, those people in some shape of way, my older brother, his name is Solomon. He was one, we didn't grow up together. I got a lot of brothers and sisters because my pops was, he was a roller.

And we didn't grow up together, so even though I have so many brothers and sisters, I grew up by myself. So I'm a very, like, selfish person. And when I met my brother for the first time as a little bit old, I was a teenager, he was a little older, he was older than me. However, he was a New Yorker. I was like, damn, this nigga got more jeans than I got clothes, like just jeans. How would have, and like, when I left, I went to visit him for the first time. When I left there, I didn't see him again for years. But in my mind, I was like, okay, I got something to live up to.

How whatever type situation. the way that my parents treated me because I came over here as an immigrant I wasn't born in Atlanta unfortunately but I love being a Trinidadian proud Trinidadian Atlanta molded me as a

as a child and an adult The island fuck with you too huh? Oh yeah I mean You've been going back to forth If they didn't They should have took you through Trinidad If they didn't take you through

When you went through the city Man that's love I love D.C. Because the Caribbean demographic day is amazing to me all the way It's really, really good. Like, if anybody that's watching this right now,

which is probably millions of people, because we're going viral for something. D.C.'s Caribbean culture, not just Trinidadian, even though Trinies are the best, is amazing. Hey, man, why y'all don't fuck with Tobago, man? Oh, nobody said that. But literally, but literally, these are, this is my last.

So literally, nobody said. Nobody ever shot at Tobago, though. These shoes, my sneaker. These are the maxi taxis because, and they're discolored because in Tobago, they're the blue maxi taxis. Only in Tobago you can get a blue maxi taxi. So, what is a maxi taxi? So a maxi taxi is our form of transportation. Oh, okay.

Or whatever. Our former transportation is like a man. I was trying to pretend like I knew. I was going to do that. Yeah, I'm going to say. You're a taxi. Yeah. I didn't.

I thought, okay, yeah. I got you. All right. But you are right, though. Tobago does not come out. come out people's mouths when they said Trinidad as often as this shit. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I just didn't do this.

What they Tobagonia? Tobagonian. Tabagonian. Tobogonian. This shit going crazy. Yeah. It is historic all the way. But yeah, man.

Shout out the Tabagonians. Yeah. All of that. That sounds like a spell. Hey, Trinidad, I probably would be. The contract with Bruno, that was straight, though. Yeah, so Bruno, Bruno did great business. Okay, yeah.

I just was, sometimes your asses. My attitude can block a blessing. Oh, oh. And luckily, I was able to get out of my funk before... That's crazy. How? How? Funk you up.

All right. That's crazy. Man, you don't even know you'd be doing this. Yeah, man. I'm just a vessel from the great creator. I'm just doing the Lord's work now. But I was able to get out of it. And as soon as I, unfortunately, had left out of Atlanta,

went to LA. to shoot some music videos with a guy who kind of like threw me a bone. My whole, everything changed, bro. Everything changed. And I say that to say where it's like, bro, I love Atlanta, but I had to get out of Atlanta in order to really appreciate Atlanta.

Because Atlanta made me who I am as an artist and partially as a man. But who I am to be, that's not Atlanta's decision is God's decision. And I think he just had more for me. And sometimes when you got, when the universe has more for me, for you, you've got to go to that medium

that helps you get what's more for you. There's no offense of this to what helped you become a part of you. I feel the same way. But Atlanta didn't birth me. I wouldn't even born here. You know what I'm saying? That's why, once again, you're going to hear me keep saying

I really look at these last 10 years. The beginning of it, I came to do the Lord's work. Timing, messenger, what the culture needed. You know what I'm saying? And people still talk about the thing that happened 10 years ago, that still mattered.

I just did a show in goddamn Jacksonville, North Carolina. That shit was going upside down like the song came out yesterday. You know what I'm saying? Why is that? Because that spiritual hymn, it works in this church still. They still go by that Bible. You know what I'm saying? Like in Atlanta, we get new spiritual hymns every two weeks.

It's like, this church is Creflot Dollar, baby. We're turning the ready and out. We got new clients got, you know? Because by time a song go like global, we already be tired of it in Atlanta because we don't heard the shit. Yeah, it worked for a year before. You did ask a valid question.

Boom, he did good business. I was in my feelings and I got out my feelings in time. I whatever was able to hear my people like, hey, did we do good business on this? Because I didn't hear the song until I got to LA to shoot a music video and two things happened the same day. That song dropped and the song that me and your scooter did. was on Grand The 505, whatever.

I was like, I was like, yeah, man, let's go. Did we do the business on this? You know what I'm saying? And, you know, if I'm being honest with you to take you back to a lot of things, people are always like, man, I think all we're dropping gems or whatever,

and stuff, but that's just like, bro, so many things that happen to me, because I didn't know shit coming into this. I literally didn't know shit. When I went to work at the Woff House, I didn't know shit. I had never started. third eggs.

I would have, and I left apart that bitch a super grill master chief in the red shirt. You know what I'm right? The red shirt. What the fucking is? That's the red shirt. That's a super grill

chief master operator. Super grill chief master operator. Now I'm looking for the red shirt. The one that I might have came in contact with like, this nigga on this shoe lying his motherfucking ass. All right. You never been there.

You came in for that fucking show. That niggins, you're going to find out about the person who you have in high regard. You're going to realize that they ain't been doing him wrong. Right. He's just been working there a long time, but he ain't been trying to level up. And that's the difference. Waffle House taught me that. There's people who I saw, there's certain things.

I'm not going to bring them all up because I'm close with some things. But one of the biggest lessons I learned from things like the Waffle House, things like working at Gens of the clothing boutique where I used to work at. However, is that people work at something for a long time, but they don't work on level enough. They work to just work. However, and you can get caught up in this working atmosphere

where it's like, bro, is that all you want to be? Trading time for money. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? That's literally just a... That's it. However, and I just, once music showed me that I was worth more, I just been digging for that goal.

That's the goal I've been digging for. I was like, what more can I be worth to my culture? What more can I do that makes something you know what I'm saying crazy you know what other things does God have in store for me because if it wasn't meant for me to be here how would it still be cranking things out that crush how would that whether it's for me or writing the hit for other people who are not um random fact random fact if somebody ever said to you hey bro you know the white girl bad baby catch me outside train that jays wrote her first hit he'd be like no way our first platinum hit song that launched her

musical career. Oh, now, I was a part of that. I was a part of that. You do, you want to start it. I started. Man, hey. Did you make that white life mind? You make that right.

You make that white like that. We've been looking for your ass and shouldn't get it. He gonna clam that one in the next thing is. Remember that period, period, uh, period. That was me too. Stop this shit. Turned for this, dude. He got the bend.

He got the feed. What? I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? Like, Stop this shit. But no, shout out to my boy who I wrote, I wrote

I wrote that way to get that check but not you know and that's the thing about it is like certain things

happen you know even when I even meeting that young at the time she's so young or whatever

it felt weird to be in the room you know what I'm saying but it was just like bro

talent don't really got no color bro he really talent bro

it's so interesting bro like the talent that God gave me he gave me

the will to go find the talent he gave me image He gave me confidence. The talent, I had to go find that motherfucker, bro, and just dig for it to bring it out

because all or everything took off, but that's raw. Me and my boy, Jose was just listening. I was just listening to the first project because we're working on the new project, Don't Be Safe 2, for the new album, and I just listened to it. I'm like, bro, this shit is so unorthodox.

The knowledge I have now, I would have never been able to do this terribly perfect masterpiece if I had all the knowledge to have now. Right. Fuck their knowledge, right. You know how hard this is really like raw now? Fuck that knowledge.

You just said, don't change. What the fuck got you in there? Right. Right. Right. Right. And that's so all that do. Everything you can make.

So shit. You walk outside with a new glove it. Hey, everything. Niggas thought I was finished. Nika go down with just the beginning. This shit never ended. Now fucking with the frictions. But, you know, that is real, though.

Jeez, now you can't. That's your heart. That's your heart. That's crazy. But, you know, even to any young artists is watching this, it's like, hey, man, if you really do make something that hits our culture like that,

bro, you really can make 20 of them. Don't think that you can't. I saw a clip. You said you hate this song, man. Huh? Say it again? I saw a clip. You said you hate this song.

Hate what? The song? The song? The, all or everything? Yeah. I don't hate the song. I hate the song. And I want, this is the devil's advocate for you.

To a young person watching, if you make something like I'll go everything and you catch a wave, do not let anybody tell you to not make 10 of those. Make 10, make 10. Now to play devil's advocate, the reason why I did not make 10 is because those people limit our culture. They keep our culture locked in a certain place because they make us feel like that is the biggest version of us. And I knew that I was bigger than the nigger that they perceived,

that they wanted to make this, like it's a lot of characters to trim that James, but if this niggas is the nigga that you want to make the face of our culture, no, I didn't go for that. And so that was a personal decision

that you got to be able to fit my size of 11 to order to handle that because most niggas would have took the money and made 10 to 89 more all go everything. Come on, nigga. Come on, you were the same size shoe up. Oh, nigger. And, dog, even when you first came out,

you were telling people like, listen to the whole album. Like you kept telling people when you... Because that's important to me. I know that is more to me than this thing that you are goddamn doing backflips about in the middle of that a goddamn central station. However, I do appreciate this love

because love is love. You know how long you go as a black man not getting no love? You know how long you go as a black woman not getting no love? You know how you go as long. You're going to put the sad music behind this one. Oh, man.

It needs to go. You know what I'm the angel. Adopted the black person. You know, people need love. I don't feel bad about saying black when I'm saying about this because, bro, that shit really is tough, bro. Yeah. Hold on us, bro.

You know what I'm saying? I know that it's tough on humans. I know that it's tough on every human. You know what I would not like to be a woman in the Middle East. They just got their license of the eligibility to get their license like three years ago. You know how crazy that it is? Or whatever, like to be a whole woman. Yeah, Loves told me about being over there.

That shit sounds scary. You know what I'm saying? It's like, damn. You know, so everybody's going through their own verse. you know, I've traveled a lot, you know what I'm saying? I've always, I always dive in the culture when I travel as much as I can't. I go do my show, I'll go make my bag,

but you'll see me in 3 o'clock in the morning and there's some hole in the wall or some boom-oom-boom. Yeah, I'm just like, damn. Like, what is this about? I think that's how you get in touch with, you know, the people. And that's the way I've realized. Just within the, you know, United States, I've realized that, you know,

and doing that same thing, that this shit is the same everywhere where we are. First, I wish I went viral as a comedian compared to artists. I wish I was doing all or everything as like a new joke skit, and then that went viral, and then I would have started doing, being a comedian. Because I feel being a comedian is the last art form where you could tap in the culture and literally be a 100% transparent version of the jokes that you're saying in the barbershop.

It literally can be the jokes you're saying on stage. But at the same time, one of the benefits of doing it your way in 20 years, you're going to be on one of them lineups, and all go everything, get in the bag, but we can't come do the jokes we did yesterday. But you can do a reunion tour. But you can't say the same shit that you said the last time they saw you. You can't do that.

Okay. You didn't go off the phone. No, when they heard it, they like, what's next, nigga? But when you think that's true, because do you think that's actually really true? Or do you think that, like, if we go to Kevin Hart's first series and he did, like, I'm only doing this jokes from this right here, that those people won't come up for that? No, I don't, not, not, well, maybe. Like, just, maybe if you scale it down. Like, at Danny Murphy's like, I'm doing delirious.

If you scale it down. If you scale it down, maybe. Why you're ready to run with that shit in that set has gone global and everything? Danny Murphy could do delirious right now. I imagine. He could do pieces of. No, not delirious. To the concert, they want to hear a new song that they like just as much as your last one.

That's true. They ain't never heard before. They won't both, really. They really won't both. They want you to do your old shit. Because you know, you go up and you give them the new shit, oh man, that shit was great, why you ain't do, but da-da-da-da-da-da.

And you like, damn, then you go up and do your old shit, and they be like, damn, damn. So it's what Jay-G said. You want my old shit, buy my old album, man. Right, but it's like, that's the thing about being a comedian where you go in and like Glow said, they want to hear the new song, that they like just as much as the old one,

but they ain't never heard the new song before they want you to make you... But this new song better be as good as the one of already right now. Yeah, that's what it is. And that's what I've been studying. That's what I've been studying for the last 10 years. It's like, okay, and not for the last 10, I'm lying.

The first five years, I wasn't studying what all, everything was doing to our culture. I was studying how to survive in this industry. I would say the last four years of the 10 was when I was like, I'm lying. When I worked with Bruno Mars, that's when I was like, oh shit, I got to do homework on myself. I would have, because the main thing I learned from working with him

was like, damn, this nigga had been studying me and I'm not studying me. And this nigga could do me better than me in the moment right now. And I'm literally on... You're like... I'm 3,000. I'm out here.

You know what I'm saying? But I think of my artist like 3,000. That's why they just stop. It's like, bro, I'm so far ahead. It's like, I can't do it no more. It might be a trick. That's how I keep making myself believe that one day he's just going to pop out with 8,000 songs.

He got a bunch of songs. Well, they hit the same for you, though. We didn't take anything. We didn't take anything. That's how crazy to shit. That big Dakota song to stop rapping at the end and it was like, that's all I got. And then the thing in the me is I like what 3,000 is doing his process of doing it better than Dr. Dre and keep teasing us with this detox.

shit that it's supposed to been coming out since I was in 11th grade. Bro, everybody in the world that was ever cold, be like, man, I was in the studio with Dre last night. We made some of the best shit. I ever heard in my musical career. See what I'm saying? My nigga came in a session I was doing in Miami. I was like, a credible person, he's like, bro,

you want to hear some shit from the detox? They went to me, he was to another person who was bigger than me. How whatever? So I'm just like now, once again, knowing how to play the position or whatever. I was like, well, I'm gonna get out this conversation. How whatever, this is a little bit above me right now. And I heard some of the details. I whatever.

And I was like, oh, okay, this is great. You know what I'm saying? But it's great from the standpoint of like, whenever you get it, it's going to be worth it. Man, listen. Because he's just a great musical maker. I understand that. But it's like every time that you get a glimpse,

it's like a tease to where you're like, okay, I've been hearing this for so long. When am I going to get something to be able to satisfy this tease? With 3,000. With 3,000. is you, that nigga, just walk around with a flute. He don't give you no inclination that he even been near a studio. And then whenever you hear about him and he rap, he raping.

It's something that's out. Yes. It's that Kanye West first about his mama. I went back and listened to all the songs he did for the cartoon. Oh, class of 3,000? Yeah. That shit go hard. That's how much I fuck with that nigga music.

Sonny. Come on, man. What's it called it, you know, and the beautiful, once again, Andre is one of those people who was like, I hold in high regard because of... Have you met him? Oh, yeah. When Takaliki came to my trap studio at Metropolitan when I first kicked off. I'm through Erica Badu. She was a big fan, but she was a big fan because he put her on me.

I whatever type of shit. So I was like, damn, what's going on right now? That's why it's hard for me to be, like, my life had to change over the 10 year. I had to get used to, like, not being the regular fan that was the people and like, okay, now we are companions. now we are business people. You're my OG, you know, we gotta do a business. You know what I'm saying? It's like, bro, I come from straight out of the trap,

straight out of the streets, or whatever, hand-to-hand selling kicks, this, that, that, that. They're like, oh damn, I just got to pay the $100,000 do a show with Drake, or whatever. This shit gotta be hard, because all these badass bitches in here and rich-ass niggas in here, they want a show. They just spent all their money, because I just made it. Right.

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I have two shows the same night. I've just made so much money. and it's me, Drake, two chains at one show, and I have to leave them because I have another show with me, GZ, and T.I. Nigger, I just

got, nigga, I just quit my job. One night. One night, I just quit my job. Wait a minute, hold on, time break. Time break. That's 2013. Okay. No, no, no, time break.

You was working. I was working. I stopped that job like right in January. All-Star. In February? That's basketball. February, All-Star.

So you quit the job? job January and in February you did was... The boss was like the dude was like, hey man, you got to doing two big stupid shows. You can't work in the way because it already went crazy because of the video went viral. So we already had everybody

calling my phone to sign me, Rick Ross, Diddy, I'm hanging out with Diddy, boom, boo, boo. So it already is lit from a clout thing and, but your money, once again, money is about throwing it as far as you can throw it. Or whatever, don't try and get all the money. Like, I got

all the fame up front, however, but I didn't get all the money up front. That's good. So that was what was awesome about it. I was like, man, fuck fame. I was like, do I want to change fame or do I want to see this money go long? So I was like, okay, in order to get the money,

anything I've ever succeeded at, I had to actually do the things, because I'm a hard worker. I'm a bootstrap-type working, nigga. Like, I got to go. I wasn't good at working smarter. Who the fuck is wearing boots with straps? Come on, man.

This, nigger. You said you, Zion, Zion Williams, I don't get ready to go down to his shoe class a little back in 19th century. Like, people actually had these straps. I got a question for you, though, speaking of boots with straps on them. What's your fashion moment, like that moment? You spoke about a lot of the musical moments to Eric Badoos or the two.

What's that moment where you was in the fashion side of the game where you was like, oh shit, nigga. You, like, at one of them shows watching them Balenciago models walk down the aisle crazy. Like, what was that moment for you? I think, honestly, man, it's a brand called B-O-D-E. Some people pronounce it as Bose. Some people say Bodee. Bode, yeah, that's what I say.

I know what you're talking about. Exactly. The designer is from Georgia or whatever, and I was shopping with her early. I was on the brand early because I'd be outside, just seeing shit. The clothes be speaking to me. And we got so cool, she invited me

to her first runway show in Paris for Men's Fashion Week 2020, pandemic here. So just before the pandemic, January, in Paris. My first time going to Paris just to, like, kick you. My first time going to Paris was on my birthday, 2013. So I came in the game September, and then my birthday, 2013, or whatever, that birthday was landing in Paris for a show.

That was a wild year. He was on tour. It was wild, but it was wild, you know. But my next time back in Paris was 2020, so that's seven years later. However, for Fashion Week, her show, big show. She liked the little baby of fashion. However, if you compare it, like the bubbling, like, you know what I'm saying? She got goddamn the songs, she got the energy going.

She got the team. However, she got the people vouching for. How whatever, like Will Welch and Mark Anthony Green. Those are like the heads of the GQ. That's like, you know, Doug saying like, man, hang on the money to get out of the stop trapping, run, rap, or whatever, like the equivalent of that. So like, I know that because I care about fashion as much as music as far as like who's popping. And like, who really the shit. And she invited me to the show.

and it was our first show and it was like, oh shit. So I go back to Paris and it's a moment right before we go inside, walk around the corner and I get out, I'm fresh as fuck! I'm fresh as fuck.

I'm talking about, bro. I'm fresh as fuck. I had that shit on, you know what I'm saying? Like, it just... I thought, you see, going to Paris Fashion Week, I always walk in the shit really humble where it's like I really don't think

I'm being the fresh thing in something. I'm really just putting on some clothes. how whatever and when I went to Paris I was like man these niggas on this super fashion shit that's why I went a long time

not fucking with Fashion Week because I was like man just a bunch of niggas who were their egos they went to college they think they better to me because I didn't go to college fuck these niggas

how whatever and then I realized I was like oh damn I'm just better than everybody so coming to Paris going to that show coming around the corner all the cameras

stop at all the like known fashion people who they were on and was like, who is this person? How whatever, getting all their attention and walking and sitting front road and just in that moment, I was like, damn, a nigga really in Paris right now

on some fashion shit. You know you're really embarrassed when there's a white bitch behind you with a duck on. Smoking a cigarette this long, man. Oh, man, hell yeah. And I asked that because, you know, just being as into the, you know,

that as much as I as, you grow with it. I know that you got to grow with it. It's not something that you could just pick up. Like, I haven't been buying my own clothes for so long that I know it's a process. Like, this nigga tell you, like, I'd be in the mall, nigga, everywhere. You know what I mean?

And I got a process. I walk around that bitch one full time, see what I see, and then go back and put it on the guy. It's like, it's a process. But I remember the moment for me, one of the moments for me is I come from D.C. We got a lot of local brands there. You know what I mean?

The madness and the all days and the shoe. And when I started getting recognition from those guys. Leaders, too, right? Is leaders in one tripper? No, no, no. It's not good. It's a bunch of them. I'm thinking of something.

The manger or a courtroom. Museum. Museum. Yeah, the museum. That's my book. Majors is in DC? You know majors? You know majors?

You know majors in DC? That's true where a company. I ain't never, I'm not hip to majors. My bad majors, I don't know if y'all knew, but, you know, I know the ones that from when I was a young man. You're not about to sit here. Like, NAV don't put that shit on? Oh, NAV put that shit on?

shit on. It take him a while, but he get it on. You see nothing at the poor man's a little bit. I slow him down a little bit. You see him at the poor man's Oh, I see him now. You're talking about You're talking about. Man, yeah.

Man, yeah. I got you wearing a shirt. Yeah, he did. A rumble. Oh, yeah, with the Yeah, Rumble. Yes, he did. Yeah, it was a Zara Rumpur. A Zara? A Zara. I was from Zara.

You're sasset, boy. You could tell. You could tell it was, That's slightly above H&M quality, but below, you know what I mean? Trust me. Zara is a gem to anybody that want to, you know, ball on the budget? Man, they fucking line, man. Zara, Zara got that shit.

It's like, it's right above H&M quality, but below, like, Sandro parents and all of those people that give you the real silk and all that shit. He know he had to do that. He had one, too. No socks. No socks. No socks with it.

Yeah, he had on some fucking slacks. Slides, the Gucci slides with the. But to take it back. I'm glad to what you're saying, no, Chico, you know, um, you know, fashion and image, man, you know, if I didn't have it, man, I'd have been quit music. Like, if I didn't have that to balance it out. Yeah.

Because music business is, they, they are not in the game of, it's, it took them a long time. It took them a long time to get to where we had now. It wasn't meant for us to win in it. It was meant for us to survive in it. And I'm an immigrant. I've been surviving my whole life.

All I know is survival. So it was like, how long do I got to survive my whole life? When can I get to a place of living? When can I get to a place of like being able to just be, to be treated as an actual equal? However, it might not be for me. It might not happen because it just. might not. But I think that

what's been more important is being able to take the time whenever I'm depressed as I was like, bro, the world and everything that's being against me, get back up, make another project, do new things, do movies, make my own

sneaker, start a brand, however, but in the midst of it all, be a good person to people. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's been the main consistent thing with me. It's like, no matter what, I've never been back. to nobody. How whatever, I might not have came, couldn't have come through, or whatever.

But my intent, to me, once your intentions is in the right place, then you'll be all right. Yeah, as long as you're not knowingly hurting yourself or nobody else. Yeah, come on, man. You know what I'm saying? You know? And I'm so happy, the happiest thing I'm about, happy I'm about right now, I don't know when this is going to come out. But whenever it does, whenever somebody looks at it, if my album don't be safe too is out, then know that that music means a lot to me.

me because I had to fight a lot of depression and a lot of personal battles and a lot of self-sabotage to get to that place to be able to write those words a lot a lot and that's me in the midst of you know how conflicting it is and how depressing it is to be able to write a hit song for other people and watch they go viral and you can't write one for yourself or whatever it's the worst feeling on earth it literally is you want to kill yourself you know what I'm saying and so like to whether you hear I don't know when this interview come out, you know, to know that my project, my next project is called Don't Be Safe 2. I'm working on it currently.

So if this comes out, after the project comes out, know that that music, if you chose to listen to it, you know, I wanted you to, and know that means a lot to me because those words were not easy to write. They were not being a lot more vulnerable because it's like all the things I've learned in this game, you know, it's 10 songs, 10 years, one year per song. It's a lot. It's a lot, bro. You know, when you actually really do care about morals and character in a world that is moralist and no character, you know, you have to control your narrative at all costs. And that's not always easy.

As good of a communicator I am, as much as I know and all that, bro, I'm human. I'm human as fuck. You know what I'm saying? But the fact that I could tell you that, look, if you see me on the stage, performing my new album, I'm bringing that smoke because I'm happy as fuck. You know what I'm saying? And I had to fight day and night to

get out of that depression, to get out of that self-sabotage. Because when it put you in a chokehold, it puts you in the choke-go, bro. Any features on there? Any features on there? Yeah, for sure. However, me talking to you now, I haven't locked them all

in, yeah, about the time it come out. You know what I'm saying? Like, it definitely because don't be safe, it's not about having the biggest names on it. Don't safe is to start. But then I know when you say you're coming out of that depression, you want to make music with people that you don't reach that. Yeah.

You'll see somebody in there and you'd be like, who's Tony Snow? Yeah. You'd be like, who's that? You know what I'm saying? Like, who is? Bruiser wolf or who is, you know what I'm saying? Dangerous than a motherfucker. Yeah.

Kind of like a nigga you pick on street fighter. Bruiser wolf versus right. What medium is dropping you on this project on? So that is what I've been studying the game right now. Man, it's like, damn, should I just drop my album on TikTok? Should I just drop my album on 85-south channel? Like, what is it doing? Okay.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know like that? It ain't no right, right, bro. It ain't no. For a nigger like me, my whole life was devised to make it to show a nigger who really don't do shit by the rules that you can be successful and take care of your family, doing it however the fuck you want to. That's the whole motto of the 85-7 shit.

Come on, man. Let's go. And look, man, whenever you drop that shit, come back. Come back, man. Come back for real, bro, for real. For sure. Go to East on. Get some lemon pepper wings, and we'll do an album to these and all of those.

Because it's no right way, man. It's no right way. And I really appreciate everybody here. Shout out to my boy DC who's not here, you know what I'm saying? Like, where y'all been, the thing that like, and I'm not a crier because I just, I don't know my eyes don't do it. But, um. Damn, nigger, you got to get some more sleep.

Drink some water, ma'am, sir. Right. Right. Crazy. Right. He can't even cry. Now, I'm trying to see if this nigga blink the whole time. But, no, man, you know, the fact that brothers like y'all exist and platforms like this exist.

And y'all, I'd be wondering, I was like, why can these real niggas show me respect? But then other people don't get it. or whatever, and once again, it's that media versus in person. You know, so every chance and every opportunity that I get to push what I got going forward, whether it's my music, my clothing brand, my socks, you know what I'm saying, whatever it is, anything, movie, this, that, that. You know, I truly appreciate it because I'm always studying our culture and not just our culture.

You said something earlier that I want to touch on before we get out of here, Whereas like, bro, when I went to Africa for the first time this year in 2022 because that's when this is happening for anybody watching whether it's 2040 to when you watch it. Nah, hell, we ain't gonna be that late. No, they can still see you.

No what I'm saying? The first of like a 13-year-old in 20-4-2. The shit ain't going to way. It's coming out for this. If you want to know about 2022, think about this. I went to Africa for the first time this year twice. I went to Nigeria to bring in a new year.

Legos And then Right before June I went to Cape Town, South Africa You got a lot of love out there Man, bro, Nigeria, first of all felt like

Atlanta and Houston and New York on stairs Times 100. Damn! Times 100. Like, smart. Lose, we got to get over there. I see you, I've got to go. We've been talking about this shit for too long. We've been talking about this shit for too long.

We got to get over here, man. Everybody in Africa. You said, I've been saying. You've been saying it. You've been saying it. You've been saying it. I've been saying. That was just our name of countries.

You know what I was saying. We got to go to that. We got to go to that. And the reason why I bring those places up. And the reason what I'm saying to is because we were talking something about black culture here. I think we was talking about, like, if a black person had a label or a white person, you know, bro, you said something

And I wish I wanted to stop there, but, bruh, really- About eight kind of not being from America. Yeah, yeah, yes. How whatever, it's like, bro, black culture is one race. It really is one race. Black Africans, I got to see our culture from three black perspectives. I was born in Trinidad and Tobago, so black Trinidadian culture, right? And then I grew up here in Atlanta, real talk.

You know what I'm saying? Elementary Middle School and high school. So Nick can't tell me shit about Atlanta or whatever. Black American culture. And then I went to Africa. And you got to see black culture, which is basically the whole, it's the same thing. I got to see a person in Africa that look, talk, walk, and act

just like a nigga in Atlanta and a nigga in Trinidad. Same features, same disposition, the same laugh, the same teeth, the same smile, the same weird things that we got in our culture. It's the same thing, bro. It's we have been taught, whether it's by each other or other cultures, that we are different types of black, it's one black. It's one black. I'm just putting it out there. It's one black. So everything that's happening is not because of us. It's because of separation of us. So when you go a place, do not think that you are lessening. You're right there. And if you go around the, you know you're going to be around the right Africans when they make you feel that you are just like them. You should not feel less than a black person at any time because all black culture is one culture.

I think you get that more if you go over there. Because over here everything's jaded because of what the images that are projected and all that. This place is based on our separation. Divide and conquer, we gotta go over there, America is dog and- Well, I just heard my life back. I can see when the black fall

will finally get together. We gotta go on the voyage, man. We gotta go to Africa, man. They want to see it for us. They're asking for us. They ask them for us. Yeah. No question.

Fuck all that. You know. New World Tour. And this is going to be there to document the whole thing. Smart or anything? Just tour Africa. I'm going. Just tour Africa.

If y'all want to work. We might be too raw. In some places, they're like, excuse me. Come to me. You are saying too much of a pussy. When you say you eat the pussy, what are you mean? They don't care about that. No, no, no, no, no, no, don't be afraid.

We are not going to do nothing to you in front of anybody, but we need to know what you mean by you too. Right. over there, man. I see their little movies. They freakie too. I advise any black person. If you don't go to Africa, you are doing a disservice to yourself.

You are doing a disservice to your culture. I tell you the same thing black people need to come to Atlanta. I think black people just need to come to Atlanta. If you're a black person you grew up in Wichita, Kansas, and all you know is Wichita, Kansas, then you're doing a disservice to yourself

and your black culture are not coming to Atlanta. Yeah, because you get to see a success level in Atlanta that you don't get to see nowhere else. Atlanta's the only city. Atlanta really supposedly exists. I know, right? That's the thing I say about just this city in general. Like, this is one of the only places

where you can come and become successful and not be a target simply because you're successful because it's so much black success where every other place you go for the most part. If you're the nigger with the bread and the big Bentley and the chains and everybody's looking at.

Shoot, black success is expected in Atlanta, in other places, I feel like it's battled by the other coaches. Like, Houston is close. I would have, like, Houston, the black millionaires there, they crush it, they do their thing. But I do feel that Atlanta, black success is just expected. You expect to meet a rich black naked, or a black woman with our own business, going crazy.

However, other places, the talent is there. The money is. is there. Like, I mean, shit. The DMV. Holden, you go to certain parts of D.C. Hey, there ain't nothing of rich-ass black people over there. And that's the gentrification. But, but they still, they still black, but they, you know what I mean? They gentrified. What you mean?

The black people just, I'm talking about, like, you know, where you have Atlanta and you have, you know, a base you guys being from here. The people who are from D.C. don't benefit from the successes of the city. They're coming from somewhere else. They're coming from somewhere else. When I was like, oh damn, it's a division here.

I hate when I see a division in black culture where when I'm like, bro, y'all so close to each other, why y'all are you being? It's a 20 minute drive. Like, this is stupid. Oh, whatever, but it's like, this has been generations and generations of like, you're working to get on this side.

So if you're on that side, sir. Yeah, right. How did you get there? Who did you pay here? Right, exactly. And it's like, br, let the nigger over here and show them how to stay here. But that's a crazy perspective.

We got a waste of goals, but our culture gonna make it. We're working on it. We're working on. Don't ever count my niggas out. Don't be safe too, guys. Man. Yes, sir. Dad socks.

Shout out to my brother, RGB. Don't when they can get the shoes, all your products. Yeah, it's playing hard too, man. It's a black on company, RGB, Atlanta. However, support what we're gonna find out. Um, RGP. RGB. RGB.

What's your bed? B? B? RG B. Three. I don't know about the shit, bro. Watch what I was next week, bro. Bruby doing.

Wait till you pull up. You got so? Hey, man. I just tried not to show y'all on my shit, because y'all are always talking shit. My dog. Yours go gone. Hey, man. You have to roll yours up.

Come on. Honest, man. Yes, sir. I got a question for you. Yeah. Question. Question. 2013.

For the wrong reason. Charles Grosvenile. Yeah, and Donald Glover. Can you speak to just like that early, you know, working with him, and did you see foresee that how much later on in years? Yes. Meeting Donald Glover, Charles Grosvenina, how if you want to refer to him,

I identify with him because he grew up, drove a witness. I grew up drove a witness. So when I saw that left to center awkwardness, I was like, oh, he's just a Joe witness. How whatever, so to me, like, the first time I met him is like, oh, he flew me out to come do the thing with him in Chris Bosch's old mansion in LA, nice-ass mansion on the hills, pool off the side of the hill.

You know what I'm saying? It's just amazing here. He's me and Chance the rapper playing Connect 4, just hanging out. You know what I'm saying? At the time, I don't even know who this, at the time, I don't even know who this is. How whatever, it's just like, oh, I'm gonna play, you know what I'm gonna play, I'm gonna bust this,

He don't know how good I have about this game. It's actually the only game I'm good at. Right. I'm going to kill this life skin, nigga, right now. You know what I'm saying? You know, it's a long time ago. I'm racist. I'm sorry.

I don't know. I've got way better with black culture over the years. And, you know, being around him, he is a very great curator to me of the people that he, his association. So it showed me then I was just like, damn, I got to find some artsy friends, artsy new friends. I had my current friends, but we were so street. Like, I come from like street shit, bro, which is like, I'm not down on it.

It's just like, bro, that has a certain type of skill set with it. And if I'm not doing that skill set, then it's kind of, like, useless in the things that I'm doing now at the time. So when I got around him and his entourage of people, I was like, damn, these niggas, no songs I never heard of that helped me make better, help me make my next album. Like, me and them helped me do Tempe's Smile, my next project where I was like, Ooh, what if I do a song that has Gucci Man, Scooter, Alley Boy, and then, oh, wait a minute, I just did this thing with Charles Gambino.

He's from the east side. So Mountain is the east side, the suburbs, and the hood. If it got black people in it, it's still one. It's just a different type of house. You know what I'm saying? So, like, that's like, me and him show me that, like, we're going to be all right type situation because leftistence is okay.

And seeing Atlanta later on and just seeing how he move, it's like, duh, this dude right here could make Star Wars by himself. And then, New Face brought you some shit. New Face! New Face! New Face!

TV! Atlanta Legend, ghetto legend, legend. Legend, legend. Let's do it. Oh, wow. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Then you open that up. Trinidad James in there.

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