The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - BANGLADESH in the Trap | 85 South Show Podcast

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

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K. Dub. What's that? What's the good word? Hey, man. Sitting like a villain on the ceiling, man. I heard that. Become a star. You are a star.

I'm trying to be a bigger star, man. Hey, man, you got the whole world saying. You ain't going to slap me now. You ain't going to slap me now. You ain't going to slap me. Trying to be a bigger star. I want more money, man. I've been told you to come over here, man, and talk some shit.

with me. Oh yeah. I'll be somewhere else talking shit. Hey man, you might as well do it over here. I'm going to do it over here with y'all. Hey, man. Jack, what's happening, man? All eyes matter. All eyes matter. All eyes matter. Hey, my boy Jack got a singing group, man. Jack

thrilled in the eyedrops. That's right. We're going to keep the red out, baby. We're going to get the red out. Jay O.N. How you feeling, man? Hey, man, you know, we love to have ghetto legends stop through here, bro. That's what we call all the legends that represent the hoods all across America, man. You know, the culture, us, man.

It's just our way of saying, hey, man, you've made it in America through these impossible situations, man. And we got a magnificent guest in here with us today, man. A spectacular producer who has produced some of the coldest songs in hip-hop history, record breaking records that's what I'm going to name my company right there record breaking records man

hit singles some of your favorite songs 500 million in sales at this point probably half a billion or a whole billion two billion don't let me your mouth up hey man none other than the legendary

Bangladesh welcome to the 85 Let's have a show, man. Welcome. Been waiting on you to stop through here and talk some shit with us, man. Have a little lick and some cigars, you know, kick back. Yeah, definitely. What's been up?

Man, just working still, still working. Trying to get some more money like my . Yeah, that's what everybody's trying to do, especially right now. It's a lot of pandemonium in the world going on. So people are panic spending. I wanted to tell, I want to advise all my, save your bread. People are about to start selling it in a minute. It's about to be some good deals out of it.

Straight up. Save, get some cash. Cash is the king. You're going to be able to get some good deals if you got some money saved up. This is one of the first rich that I ever been over house before. This house is amazing. Man, first of all, why you have Jack over there? Jack was in love you with me back then.

Jack get it in. man yeah me and jack go way back check go way back with everybody man me interviewed everybody in the world he can cut his face your ass on don't know what that's got the bald face yeah he's a little young man you're talking about bald faces yeah sir it's like it seemed like bar faces go with certain things you know hey man this your first time over here the 85 staff show man just Catch yourself. I've been waiting for, I've been waiting to get on here, man. I ain't think you knew me over here, man.

Come on, man, stop playing. Like Jack said, you've been rich a very long time. You are not easy to get in touch with. Don't act like that. Man, everybody said that. I don't know why. Dr. Dre told me that. Come on, man.

Dr. Drake can't get in touch with you. You know, I don't stand a man. Dr. Drake got a black phone. He can just pick it up and tell him who he talked to. You're the hardest man. You're the hold of. Like, what? I'll be in one place.

Hey man, before we talk about like the hip hop, I want to talk about all the shit you did outside of hip hop, right? Like, the pop like that, right? What's that like when you get them kind of phone calls? They're calling you, telling you Taylor Swift needs something.

Britney Spears coming back. Oh, that's a man, lovely. Yeah. It's all urban, though. You know, it's like, they want this. You know what I'm saying? Like, it ain't like you're going, and changing the style they want what you do they want the 808 you know what I'm saying like I work with Kesha like she wanted a Bangladesh beat like I think I'm

the only producer on the album that's not in-house and I was a three stakes went crazy on Keshe's crazy that's the song I did yeah good um Dr. Luke the producer Dr. Luke, super pop producer, he f*** with me real heavy. And he always would say, man, just get a pop song on them beats. It's out of here. And, like, he brought me into his little, his situation, man, and, like, gave me the opportunity to work with Keshe. She wanted a Bangladesh beat in an Andre 3,000 verse.

Damn. Yeah, we did it. He went crazy on that. Yeah, he did. you know that bread didn't even like his verse Luke didn't like the verse he said man what is he talking about what is he saying and he paid him he paid him a ticket he's like he was going to take it off i was like you know he could be disconnected from the coach or sometime and you really don't know

that's the nicest way of saying you know yeah he don't know what he's talking about you said he gave him a meal yeah i was about What's a ticket? A honey. A honey old. A hundred old. Four sixteen. I thought that was a honey bun.

Well, yeah. A man out of a me. A man is a million, man. What would you say was your first hit that gave you your first taste of success? A wish of fantasy. A ludicrous. That was my first hit record. I just started making beats.

So you came out the gate with the hits? Yeah. I bought it. I bought my beat machine in 98, 99 when it was on the radio. But everything with me was like manifesting. Like everything was our internally. It's an internal process. So I'm not physically making beats, but I was making beats. You know what I'm saying? Like even like my, my, my senior year pictures, my aunt, my auntie took us to, uh, to get these special pitches and you could list all the things that you do like play basketball all this i put music i put music producer i wasn't even producer so it's like all manifestation all this started when i was young you know what teach me go back what happened when you was young just the thought of like i always thought ahead like i never was the type to to wait to get to like

I wasn't waiting until I graduated to figure out what I wanted to do. I knew I wasn't going to college or like, man, what I'm going to do? So I always stay ahead of the game, you know what I'm saying? I always was planning the move, you know what I'm saying? What's the next move? Preparing it before you get there. You know what I'm saying? It's like when you wait too long, you're in the moment of deciding what you want to do.

Typically you don't end up doing shit. So after you get your first. first hits right what's your next move um well that that time was just kind of like processing the industry and learning the the game you know what I'm saying because that's like something else you got to learn and that's like trial and error like you ain't got nobody showing you or teaching and you got you got such a a big impact and like industry shit is like you know it's dick riding so it's like soon as you have something

everybody comes out of nowhere and they're fucking with you. You know what I'm saying? So you got to sift out what's good and what's not good for you, you know what I'm saying? So it's just the learning process was the next thing.

I didn't really capitalize on running it up then because I didn't, I was alone. I ain't really know I wasn't outside in camping.

painting I wasn't marketing I wasn't doing none of the things that I could have did with this big hit record then on top of having the big hit it broke our artist so that's a that's a addition to it like you not only made a hit for artists like you broke you helped break our artists that's big shit like I could have I could have got so much out of that you know what I'm saying but it's just like learning processes, you know what I'm saying? It's like sometimes you don't, you don't capitalize on things just because you don't know. And you didn't like put yourself in those positions or in those places to, for people to know who you are, know you, you know what I'm saying? Like I'm

out of sight of mind. I should have been in New York. I should have been in the buildings. You know what I'm saying? I should have been meeting these niggies and, you know, I did this. you know what I'm saying like I should have been producing my artists I should have been taking them and getting a deal you know what I'm saying because I just helped break artists you know what I'm saying so I got this

should have been like you know doing the leg work a little more but um after the disappointment of people like depending on people the middle the middle me like people come around just like

I could do this for you oh I can get this to them walking and you you allow that to happen and it's like nothing's happening so you start thinking like this shit ain't good or something like then you meet the niggas that that person said that they can get it to like you like oh I can get this around and you meet the niggas like yo you never you're like nah then you play them the same being they go crazy like it's like the the communication with the producer and the artist is so much easier than dealing with the middle niggas.

The middle niggas being the way. The men is just, the way. The liaison. Because if, like, artists and producers are visionaries. Like, creating shit is a vision. A middleman is strictly hustling. The financial is a benefit, like money. You know what I'm saying?

Really care about what it, what this invention is like how can i get some money you know i'm saying so if it don't make sense for them that shit might not translate to the artist you know what i'm saying then it like you're not on paper with them you're not really like you're not committed to it you know what i'm saying so they're not really doing too much you got to really like you got a you got a you got a sign paperwork for a nigga to really like do what they you know what I'm saying you got to like give them half of something you know what I'm saying for them to actually go do some legwork for you or something like that but I never had those things I never had a big homie like all super producers

have these things you know what I'm saying all the super producers have been signed a Jimmy Iveen or some type of major dude that gives them funnels them work that's why they hot. You're not hot because you're hot. You what I'm saying? There's a lot of dope niggas that ain't hot, but to get hot, you have to be attached to these things that have the the company and the people that

they own to funnel you the shit where you're relevant all the time, because if they're in your pocket, they're going to put your shit out there. I was never in Like nobody was never in my pocket So like wasn't nobody doing nothing You know what I'm saying

So the way I get on albums It's like taking away from the pot a little bit I get on Rihanna album And it's like It's like Only certain niggas can get on this They'd be mad though Like they'd be like fuck

Because after After you meet the artist And they fuck with you It's a rap they try to keep you from the artist you know what I'm saying like they like talk to me talk to me you be looking at that nigga right there like yeah yeah but uh you know what I'm saying they gatekeepers so they you know once once we lock in and don't let it be a female and you're attractive niggas something they go oh man and she gonna love this nigga you know what I'm saying oh man

he's over with it it's over with damn damn damn they fucking up the hits with that bush hit man up the hits and like a lot of us ain't in those positions it's it's people that ain't of the culture fucking it up too because like they don't be understanding the concepts and the creativity they don't be understanding right like I had a song called I had this song called kickstand right the concept of the song riding in my Chevy and I'm leaning like a kickstand

every nigga gonna understand that right so my nigga my nigga Lathen Lathen from what's DJ drama and them shit

affiliates nah what's they label gangsta grill gangsy yeah yeah the niggas that signed a little Woozy bird and the white boy and all you know what i'm saying it's the late late then is a part of that late then

he late lake lake lake show lake yeah he sent my beats to at atlantic this this executive at atlantic right and kickstand was on there so he you know he loved he's like oh i love it i love this i love this he said this could be a cheesy hit this could be a cheesy hit and he was like boy who rides bikes anymore. Damn. Like these are the niggins in the way of genius ideas. You know what I'm saying?

So then he goes further. He's like he's trying to tell Lathen like, you know, if I'll be open to change in it. To what? I got to hear what he said changing to. He just, he's like, would he be open to like, you know, know because like Atlantic had their own writers there's really they just be trying to hustle and put

their own riders on your shit and take the pot you know what I'm saying keep the money so late like man I don't know if you're gonna be with it by I'll talk to him about it so late they hit me I ain't even know late that sent him the beats so he when he's telling me this I ain't know nothing about it so he telling me the story and I was like nah I ain't changing that she's like yeah my kind of told him that but you know So he went back and told that nigga, you know, he's like, yeah, you know, everybody doesn't get it. You know, Kanye gets it and Will I Am gets it, kind of name dropping niggas that he worked with before. You know what I'm saying?

So this guy he calls late than two in the morning. He's like, I got it. I got it. I got it. Riding in my Chevy and I'm breaking down a bricks man. This is a white dude. This a white dude. Like, this is like, that's where they want us to be at.

So then on top of that, what dope nigger? What dope, what nigger that sell dope or cell crack is riding and they shabby breaking, busing it down? These niggas don't know nothing. Like they don't be knowing nothing. They don't be knowing nothing, bruh. I wouldn't hit him with the same shit. He said, bro, who sells Craig anymore? It's not us, bro.

Like, so it'd be disappointing that, like, creative people can't or not. I don't like to say can't, but when the labels control the shit, it's hard to really be all you can be. So you feel like it's too much influence from people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about? Nothing has nothing to do with it. There's executives out there that, like Jimmy Iveen. I say Jimmy Iveen, there's a lady, I forgot her name. She used to work for Electra. I forgot her name.

Sylvia Rohn. Sylvia Rone. When Jimmy Raveen met with Dr. Dre, Jimmy Ivin didn't know what the fuck this chronic guy was. He didn't know what the fuck it was, but he, he understands. stood the sonics of him like this is brilliant who mixed this who did the production and dray was like i did and just with like that's all he care about with the production pretty much but it's like the fact that he didn't know what the fuck they're talking about he believed in him

like he took what he thought out of it like i don't know what this shit is but i believe in you put the person over front of just like still be wrong with with missy and bust around like i don't know what this shit is, but I believe in y'all. Do what you want. That's what we need. You know what I'm saying? We don't need no niggas trying to write the song and tell you how to do the shit. Message.

You know what I'm saying? All in the video. All in the video. That's funny. We're right. It's too far. Yeah. So, like, I think that'd be the

problem, you know what I'm saying. And do you have a favorite genre to work inside? favorite genre yeah um now i think i think all genres are like uh uh as long as it's you know it's creative as long as you being creative i don't have no certain genre i mean you know of course i like i'm a hip-hop the most but like i'm a super producer i can do anything like i can produce anything you know what i work with live instrumentation um programming anything

so if we was in the lab right now you could cook up anything I can come in the room with nothing and make something he produced me you know what fucking out of here man he produced me man

oh he know he we got it we got a little strong he got back there so bro you can make 90s R&B I can make 90s R&B I can make anything I can make that's the genre

I can make any niggas sound good damn I can make any that's why he worked with your ass I can make anybody I need you to produce my shit then. Producing is nothing but dictating what you should be doing. It's like how you say your words, say it like this.

It's just controlling controlling what is going on. All right. What I'm saying, man, we need to get in there. If you can work with this nigga, I know I can make you a hit. Okay, man Don't say shit Don't say shit Kdub

You want to drop them on the same time My whole goal is to make Niggas think like When you hit play They be like man Who is that I'll be like That's just

That's what Kate up Yeah Look Ked up Yeah Yeah Yeah Dropping that tip

Yeah Yeah Yeah just tell the nigga How to say it Yes sir When did you start fucking with music period like using the band and shit nah i i grew up in the church um all my my whole family is like musicians or do hair cut hair make clothes um i feel like i tell everybody it's like

i'm the least talented nigga in my family man that's some hells of shit to say ain't it duck i'm the least funniest person in mind because like i don't play no instruments i don't sing like them i just i feel like i'm just the most creative i'm just the more ambitious thinker the one that i you know i just there's nothing i can't do you know what i'm doing that i'm doing that i'm a bit this you know what i'm saying people don't really believe in themselves enough or they don't want to put themselves in the position to get somewhere Let me ask you this, you said this earlier. Like, you said you found your sound around 2001.

Three, like, the eight-ball and MJG thing. What was, what were you, like, where you feel like you was at before you found the sound? I was just in my inspirations, like, whoever was my inspiration at that time, I was, like, kind of like, I would say emulate. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like we all, like, anything you're doing. You have inspiration that inspired you to do something. And you typically, like, even the comedian, like, you might like this thing. You might like take from that.

You're like, oh, that thing is sound like that. You got to shift it to who you are. That's what make it important. You know what I'm saying? That's what make you who you are. But we all are inspired by something that we're going to emulate in the beginning you know what i'm saying to even be doing the shit so like timbreland organized noise you know they was like probably my biggest production is influences you know what i'm saying

so i will probably like be in their mind like i'd be like thinking like them you know what around 2000 to that 2003 is when i started to like oh this is my shit you know what i'm saying like to the young up and coming producers man you're the big dog like what's what's some advice you would give them that they can use right now um I mean it's cliche advice but it's like it's like the most important advice is like the be yourself like do you I think a lot of nude niggis like because the arrow we're in and the sound that's being pushed out to the masses people are just doing that they're copying each other now you might have a whole album or something with 10 niggas that all the beats sound the same

you know what I'm saying like one nigga could have did this whole beat or this whole out you know what I'm saying you're number nine for you know it yeah it's like everything sound the same

the artist sound the same the beat sound the same the concepts are the same there I grew up in niggas niggas will beat you up for copying their shit niggas will come to your house

and fight you like me I'm trying to do my shit and whoop your ass with a pool stick. Do you try to sound like me, nigga? That's your favorite club. Down the street from your auntie out. DMX hated J-Roo when he, you know,

they're friends though. Like, they're trying to be, they ain't trying to sound like me, nigga. You know what I'm saying? It's a problem because you're kind of taking food out of a nigga mouth in a sense, you know what I'm saying? Now, you don't work with a lot of legends, too,

man. Some of your, some of your legendary stories that you just one of the moments that just had you kind of fucked up like i can't believe i'm doing this shit just to go from 1998 buying the first beat machine to just maybe your first time in the studio with a real legend they kind of in the studio with a real legend was uh u gk oh yeah they was on uh i produced like half of uh ludus first and second album the first i've they on there most them He was in the studio with them niggins, the hard, like, uh, Pimsy, like the realest nigger in the world. Stick him up.

Stick him up. Because, um, C. Uh, ludicrous manager was like, I don't think he really believed in me. I don't think you really believed in me for real. And he was, although we was in the same room, he'd be over there talking to Pimp, then it'll come over to me. He's like, yeah, you know, I think, uh, Pimp want to produce the record with you.

I think he, you know, it'd be dope. He was trying to, like, get this collaboration going. And it was like the beat, the beat done. I wasn't tripping, but back then, niggas wasn't collaborating on beats. Like, it wasn't a thing, you know what I'm saying? So, um, he brought me over to Pimp. He was like, man, that's your beat, man. That's your, man.

That's you, man. Like, I'm cool. like, it was him trying to make this shit happen. It wasn't pimp. You know what I'm saying? And, like, he always Like, even the stick of my part,

like, uh, put your hands up where I can see him, see him. Luda wrote that for Pimp C to say. Like, lie, man, you wrote that, man. You wrote that, man. You said, you said, I don't want to say that.

Like, Pimp, Pimp real like it's not not it's nothing fake about that you know what I'm saying like anything any stories you hear like it's a real story like you know he's they had one song I'm so bad I can suck my own what was up with that shit who you K he's on there riding dirt at him I'm so bad I can suck my own I never heard this oh yeah that motherfucker yeah PMC all it out at the end he's got everybody I'm so bad I can suck my own real bum be so bad he can suck I never heard that shit play this shit

man he's like he's not swear to God thank I'm lying uh Hey Doug What's wrong with you, man

Man what's wrong with PMC He's so bad He's so bad He's so bad But you got a few in there with Beyonce now yeah know the people who in the be have going to want to know about that that's that's that came from a milly you know when you hot they they find you you know what I'm saying so

that was the reassert like that was the second coming you know it's like from 99 to 2008 it's it was a reinsertion thing like it was a re-branded thing you know I'm saying that's when you went commercial um what was the songs you did commercial I did diesel and a video phone that had a lady Gaga hell yeah um but that that like the last thing you did impactful always goes into the next thing you know what I'm saying because when you hot like it was the hottest thing going so people you know they want that welcome to pretty private with Ebeney the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free I'm Ebeney, and every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you.

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podcast or wherever you get your podcasts and when i made diva i made diva before i was working with biance but i wasn't i didn't look at diva like it was like its own composition i just looked i had an artist i had a female artist at the time and i had a male artist but i was making yeah i was yeah i was making a mix tape and my idea was to put muffie on uh the diva beat i just looked at that like some i remit like you i didn't i didn't take it serious because it sounded like that and i wasn't really never trying to like do blue i wasn't a producer that capitalized off the sound like i was supposed to you know what i'm saying like because when

you got a hit record people want that and they just want you to do that again and I never did it I was really like in my own world trying to give you something else trying to give you something new trying to do go to the next thing so when I made diva I wasn't thinking about actually selling a beat to somebody I was just using it for a mixtable like a throwaway shit like you throw away his man her shit would be like diva his shit to say something else and at a you know switch up i was in the studio playing the beat and my like some my niggas was going crazy about that shit i was like i was like this like i said this is just like nah this is this own thing nigga this a whole different so i was i listened to him you know what

saying so i started working with shine garry and the mission was biance so i like damn i got this because he was even hit me because of the milly shit you know what I'm saying like the millie just going crazy everybody calling you so and he was he kept saying every time he hit me like nigga if I had that beat they if I had that beat nigga ooh so diva was perfect for bionc because really nobody is on a diva level he was already fucking with the sound so it just made sense like that's how they came about Beyonce out of a majority of the people I work with females Beyonce is like the most humble and the most in tune with with direction and listening you was telling Beyonce what to do I wasn't but

writing the song it's like it's it's not it's no uh it's it's received you know what I'm saying it's not that means you trust me yeah it's received it ain't like you going back and forth I've been in with artists that ain't near Beyonce man I was just so fucking uh hustle and flow arguing with the motherfucking bitch This bitch arguing with me, bro. With you? With me! This bitch trying to make the cut, bro.

Arguing with me. Ain't, he sold a record at all, bro. Going back and forth with this bitch, bro. Oh, that's the Netflix show. Yeah. Got you. Okay. I thought you were talking with chance.

Everything I'm telling me. The white girl, a nigga. The white. Not everything I'm telling her, bro. What I had heard. I was talking about the white girl. Everything I was talking about. telling her would have worked for her everything i said to her call it told her after she did what

she wanted to do i'm not to watch she never listened to me and we we kind of fell out in the studio she stormed out she told the staff i was bullying her typical white woman shit brooks me and part by backwoods get it from the front Jack, you're stupid, man. And I felt like I was being bullied. Like, you bully and me. Like, damn. Make sure you check that out.

What's the name? Hustling flow? She, no, she was finalist because, like, the finalist gets super producers. So that's why I was on there. So I was paired up with a final. No, she's an artist. But they paired the artists up with a super producer.

I was one of the producers. that was paired up with her like they picked how far she go out of you well that was the final so there's like four finalists yeah four finalists she she performed first out of the four she got eliminated first damn that they didn't listen bro everything i was telling her bro like i'm like no this ain't a super producer right here super producer bro and her theory was this her theory was like she was like but she kept saying but you're up you're up like in a sense of like I got money so I don't care you ain't hungry I ain't hungry so her theory is like she rather roll the dice on herself and lose then listen to me and lose damn that was brought to you

apart by backwood you hit it from the front it from the front it's in the mouth Yeah, but, you know, like, the moral of the story is study the motherfuckers that's winning, man. Study the motherfuckers that winning. All these bids just be like, I want to be Beyonce. I want to be Beyonce. Nigger Matthew knows will cuss destiny child out and will be nobody affected by that shit. They still go on practice, practice, practice. you can't do that I ain't saying I'm cussing these bitches out what I'm saying is like

anything you say to them they got resistance then time fly time go by then they realize what they should have did oh man I should have listened all you was right and it's too late If you tithe, be quiet, then go to sleep. Come on, man. You asked me a hard-ass question earlier. Now I got to ask you a difficult question. Okay. Top five Bangladesh Beaks.

Top five. From the first beginning to current, if you had to pick five out, your five favorites. I had to put cockiness in there, a Rihanna cockiness. one of my favorite beats I made I had to put What's your fantasy in there? Just because it's the first one It was the unpacked one And it still plays

Till today Um A Millie, of course Of course I think this is a typical thing Like a typical list A Millie Um

I kind of figure what I What I've done A lemonade I'll put lemonade in there Okay. That was a big one. Big hit. Gojoo was in his bag on that one.

Hmm. I did this be for Buster Rhyms and Missy Elliott called, uh, get it. I put that in there. Okay. Hey, Barry, what, like, I always wanted to know people on your level like what's the when you got a hit hit

what's the biggest like check you get off the rip on some residual shit what's possible how money you got? I ain't trying to get in your pocket or I ain't trying to get in your pocket. But this brought to you in part by backwood.

Hit it from the friend. Well, I mean I mean hits can make you millions of dollars his can make you thousands of dollars I mean a song can make you I mean it just depends

how big the shit is but millions of dollars hundreds of thousands of dollars millions I was reading uh um Jim Jones

off of the fly high he made 20 million dollars just off that one song damn wow and he was independent too on Koch right yeah

That's probably had something to do with the amount. Because when you want to lay with, you know, depending on what your splits are, like you ain't, you ain't doing as well as a dependent. Oh, so you're saying that if he had, but how do you even get it to,

to get it to $20 million if you do, without a cot as an independent? Oh, is it even such thing as getting a $20 million, um, situation? Independent? Yeah. Like, he had to pull that off himself.

Well, being on Cots, I mean, I'm sure he had to do a lot of his own lay work, a lot of his own market and a lot of his own, probably spend a lot of his own money. Yeah, I'm sure he did a lot of shit, too. But a hit, but a hit, though, a hit.

That's where he made the money. Yeah, yeah. A hit kind of just taking off, though. So you're saying that he made more money off the, I got to enjoy that money off the performances. Probably.

Yeah. Got you. Because then your price is going on, yeah, you're going to perform. Now you at live on Sunday night for 150. That nigga could be 100 years old, and he could perform flop. And all you got to do is perform that bitch three times at 1.30. You're out there, bitch, at 210. The city going to shut the club down at 3 o'clock or something.

You know, that's a type of situation. Like the 150th in an hour. The royalties and the publishing. how many albums it sells the royalty money is crazy say you did a whole project um Eric Sermann was on a

podcast he said he got 5% on something that Metro Boomer sample that is a what's that Canadian singer name? Korea Cafe A weekend We are

Oh, I know what you're talking about that song That nigga makes $250,000 every quarter Just off a 5% of the song I heard I'm talking about that Yeah, what the fuck was that song So just imagine what

Metro mate Yeah Yeah You know what I'm saying? Yeah That's what I'm saying That's Eric Sermin That's Eric Sermin.

For the sample For the same Just 5% though Let me ask you this. Hit it from the front. Are you fucking with the AI at all with the new digital technology? Man, you know, it's like a scary thing to say, like, you don't fuck with it because you don't want to be behind on time. But like, seeing what things do, programs and shit, it's like the love that I have for being creative is, it's like, it's like.

like that's my job you know what I want to like it's not the money with me it's not the actual outcome of what comes out of this shit it's the it's the feeling that no one I did that I did that like you know machines can just do everything that's why I never got into any other form of making beats than my hardware I haven't got into the new programming because a lot of programs is just, I'll be seeing what they do I'm like, damn, like, you ain't have to do nothing. Like, damn, I want to do something.

I'm the type that like to do the hard thing. Like, I don't want to do the easy thing and then get the glory. You know what I'm saying? I like to, like, deep down, like, I did that. Like, I don't know how I did that shit, but that shit, I did that shit, you know what I'm saying?

but you want to keep up with the time you want to stay in tune because like you can't get left behind so you you you know you you wanted to you want to figure out how it works for you you know so I haven't really personally got into it but I have like people around me that you know what I'm saying when artists call you for some for some music do they have like special requests and they'd be like I need some shit like this I'm listening to this shit you

did right here can you make me something like that it's just hard to do it's hard to do that you may make me a beat like that's that type shit that shit hard to do like I think

for real is like a genius at that like using the same sounds for 20 years and just different rhythms. This shit, like, amazing to me. Zay told him like that too. Zay told him, man, it'd be different, but it just be the, it'd be the same thing.

But it'd be different. And I never... It should be hard, too. I always tried to do something else. I never even saved my sounds, bro. Like, I, I, make the beat, I don't have a, a pack of, like, I don't, I'm not a, I'm not a, um, um, organized producer, you know what I'm saying, where I've, I go to my, my, my, my, my, my, my kicks, my, like, everything I put in my, my MP is new sounds. this new no blueprint

you said early you like to just go in and create some shit you know what I mean yeah that's dope just new sounds what's your most creative time

of the day I'd be trying to work early in the day feeling like I'm gonna get done like more shit done but I just be going through the motion

I don't really get created till late so I kind of could waste the whole day just and it's not doing nothing as soon as like you know that night sit in yep i'll be i'd be on you ever had to hunt somebody down for your money as an independent and like hey yo what y'all this shit going out jumping out the gym yeah what my money is tripping yeah uh i think i think people i'm notorious for that you know what hunting people down for your money

it, you know. Yeah, they hate when you speak up about your money. I did tell you, come on. I heard about you. I know about that. You know, the cash money thing, the milly thing. You had to chase them for a millie? Royalty's.

And that's the royalty part. Even the production fee. Oh, front? My mixed engineer. who I still fuck with till this day. He mixed the Millie. He was a Cash, he was Lil Wayne's

engineer. He told me this story once we got cool, he said, because Cash Money, they called me for the signs to a milly to get the trackouts, but I ain't got my production fee. So he said, I'm the first nigga that he ever heard tell them no.

I was like, nah, like, nah, I ain't sending that. And he heard it, through the phone, he's like, man, I've never heard nobody tell them no before. That's great. Did they say they were going to kill you? I'm still alive.

I'm still alive. Get it from the front. You're stupid, man. No, I think it's just, I think it's like respect, though. Like, every, like, if you were a man, bro, like, if you're a man, even if you gangster, whatever it is, niggas want they money yeah you know what I'm saying like you got keys I got a key

like it's not really a thing where it gets to that level it's more like if you're saying like you could be you could you could talk to a gangster nigger or a quote-unquote gangster nigger however you want to when it's real like that's what it is like Devonte had to buy the nigger finger off buy some shit like this brus that's what I was going to that way. Who finger he bit off? Somebody goes for this very famous label that's going through it right now.

The head of it. Oh, okay. I know you're talking about. Now, when shit like that happened, though, do they just pass that off as, man, that ain't us, that's them other people, or that's the label? Yeah, it's always excuses,

but they're their own instance. That's why they have the choice to either pay you or not. Royalty's is like the album sale of it. So how many units is sell depending on your points? So a producer can get, it's like zero to five points. Top producers, top tier producers going to get five percent. Five points. They're always going to come in at a two, three area.

But depending on who you are, you deserve the five. You know what I'm saying? Because, like, it's probably your song that's selling this project. You know what I'm saying? So cash money deal, their deal is set up where they get the money first. And it's their responsibility to this, you know. Make sure everybody pay. make make sure everybody paid and it's just something they they weren't doing you know what I'm saying

so it's like unless you say something to them they ain't really like and most people ain't so they just kind of like winning you know what I'm saying and if if you take them the court you're going to be spending money then you're going to settle so they still win because they they they they made so much they don't even gonna settle with you you know what's that stuff so and there's layers them niggas got layers of eternies so it's like you kind of like if you were just a nigga out here you'll get tired of going through the shit and you might just settle you might not even bother yourself with the shit like when i when i spoke out about that shit so many producers was like man man we wanted to say it too but man we didn't want to we

didn't want to ruin our relationship and like my thing is like I don't know what a relationship is like it's like a pimp whole relationship like what's the relationship it's like they're pimping and you're hoeing give me some money we got a relationship then that was brought to your part by backward so I never understood I don't know I don't don't want a relationship where I'm not you're not paying me so like I don't care where this is going that's not a relationship that I think about it is not it's a pimp whole relationship if you're cool with that you're cool with that you're cool with just being whored you know it's cool but I'm not I'm not cool that's the only time like

that some shit happy um tell me the good tell me that I see after that, tell me a good story. Tell me a time about when the check. The money was right there. You wouldn't even finish you. Oh, Beyonce. Beyonce just pays. Hold up, nigga.

Let me add the horns. Beyonce. I put the check in my box. He said, let me add the heart. Wait a fucking minute. I'll be finished. Give me two more hours. God damn, they pay fast.

I ain't even putting no keys on this bitch. Hold on. Let me get on my keyboard. Yeah, it's like. The top tier artists that's like, the top, top tier artists are going to get you paid. And it's like, whatever you're asking for, they're going to pay it. They're going to pay it. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you could want to, you could want to, you could want a, you could want a barter. Like, no, I don't want a bottle. I just want to pay you. What's a butter? Like a favor for a favor. Boter. Boter. Yeah, got it.

Right, you remember your first day being rich? What's rich, though? Like, when you were straight. When you felt rich, when you woke up and had the road on. I don't think I was like that. I didn't feel like that. I ain't felt like a salmon croak case from Indonesia. I ain't, I don't feel like I ever been straight.

I've had, I've had some money, but like the thing is, money money goes so you never have enough money like you never have enough money so I never felt

like so comfortable where I'm just straight this nigga got a whole barbershop in his house but you could like 15 years ago you could run through millions of dollars

and not like damn what the fuck you can that's what you be like after you run through some that's what you can do that that can be done

what the fuck you did that I ain't ran You know how? Did you do that? You know exactly how you run through some millions. I made a million dollars. How much have you spent?

All of it, I think. Yeah, all of it. I think it's all gone. Who was that brought to your part by? He bag of wood. Hit it from the front. Man, financial literacy is a real thing. It's like a mental health thing.

You got to get some money first. If you ain't never had no money and then you get some money, you're going to fuck that up. You need some money. At least two times to have some money. At least two. That first piece is getting fucked up. And I'm a conservative nigga.

You know what I'm saying? So that's really like, damn, what I bought? Like, what I get? I see people that's not conservative and just like, they go crazy. I'm like, damn, they must have some money, money. You know what I'm saying? I'm a conservative nigga. I'll be like, damn.

At the money gone, like, man, I should have just bought. I should have just. I should have just went great, you know? It's like, damn. That's a motherfucker. Another thing, he got a lot of pretty baby mamas. That's another. Hey, man, Jack be watching your life, bro.

Jack is really on your page. I only got two. I only got two. I've seen them. I only got two. And they're friends. I only got two. He said a lot.

I ain't got a lot. Oh, it was a lot of kids. Okay. I got five kids. I always wanted more kids I wanted like 10 kids though you can still do it I don't like

I don't like the time we're in you know I feel like bringing the kid in now like I think the kid gonna be mad at you later on like what the fuck you had me for nigga that shit fucked up out here whether you rich for that yeah like I don't you know like raising kids with money

like it's they develop a sense of entitlement like it's it's different like I want my kids to come from where I came from like you know go through some shit you know what I'm saying

that's the world we live in now yeah like but when you get money you always your idea like man I don't want them to go through what I went through I'm gonna do this I'm gonna do that. Not even knowing you ain't even have it that fucking bad nah like we'd be really thinking

Nah stories, but we just grew up black. Mm-hmm. Everybody was fucked up, nigga. Everybody was fucked up. In the 80s where your mama was making $13,000. Yeah. My mom made $20.

You get me, she was boring. Y'all had the big TV at y'all crib. Once I got some money, like, damn, my mom only made $20,000 years. It's crazy. I'm like, raised all of y'all. Dang. My mom had a job. My mom had a job before Texas.

My mom had a job back then. She started working about. the time I turn about 1819 you just like oh it's my time now but mama gotta have a life too I'm getting a job and that was brought to you in part by backwoods hit it from the front man you get to looking back at them childhood pisses man you get to adding that shit up Christmas a 50 dollars for Christmas we y'all had every goddamn man what a hundred dollars them little army man nobody jacks that shit go for man my first hundred dollars my grandma gave it didn't me what what

Man, when I was a kid, my girl, my girl, that's a lot of money. Man, my first one of, I had a job, I ain't worked two weeks. Man, my mom, I hadn't worked two weeks. $20 once in a like, God damn. It was your birthday? Nah, it'd be like, it'd be like probably a, every, once in the blue payday. When I'm growing up in the little leagues and playing basketball, something, going to, going to the wine, CA or something, like, 20.

$20. That was a fun-ass weekend. Well, that's like crazy. I'm like, I'm rich. That's a lot of nine ladies. It's a lot of candy. $20 used to be the shit, though, man. A whole $20 bill.

A whole $20 bill. Man, you break that motherfucker to have more money than you had before you broke the 20. You were like, shit, I got a 10 or five, three ones, fuck all that. That's a lot of 20. That was enough money to go to the football game, get a hot dog, a drink. and pull it out your pocket that you don't get some McDonald's on the way home

for real though she'll just kiss you a long time without even giving the $20, bro. A $20? Mm-hmm. It's a bad motherfucker you ain't never seen no 50s. I never seen $100 though.

Me either. I had a, my grandma used to gamble What used that? Somebody gave you a home. That's probably was 87. 87 you had a home? A whole hundred, bro. Mm.

With the little hundred in the corner. No bullshit, bro. I used to be with my grandma. She used to go gamble and play cars, right? And bingo. So when she winning a whole bunch of money, she would buy me with the other fuck I wanted. Because I was with her.

I had a motherfuckin' power wheel, the three-wheeler and the four-wheeler. I had a bike, a scooter, a big wheel. Nick, I was... I never had it. Man, you know what? I used to ride in a fucking basket from the grocery store. He's to push the shit out of, bro.

I ain't never had none of this shit. I grew a real privilege. man was black people rich you had all of them toys at the same time bro i got pictures to prove it nigger i got one picture of me when i was a kid in my room nigga it's toy stacked up to the window i had three toy boxes full of shit about myself this before my mama had any more kids i had a robot nigger i had a robot only robot i had i made in school out of full paper and box in a box nah but i had a real robot with a remote control, bro. I hear you. Had a 9 volt.

In the 80s. Nine vote. Yeah, bro. Mike Tyson boxing glove. You thought she was better than niggas. Mike Tyson boxing glove. I had the Michael Jackson. Little radio with the microphone on it. That would have been worth some money today. And the other microphone, all the kids like, man, they all talk about what you had. My cousins used to come over my house and steal shit. Like, we never had shit. I was Everything I had, we stole from you. Yeah.

But I ain't give a... You was the friend, nigga, stole from. Oh, yeah. Everybody in my whole project used to be waiting on me to come outside. Because they don't know I'm coming. They don't know what I'm pulling out. You had joined suit.

Man, I got my first pair of Jordan's. For real, for real, was a pair of fives. That was my first pair. How old was you? I handed me maybe 9, 10. God. Fourth grand. Oh, I fucked them up.

grade oh jack you didn't know about me and i was just that 50 dollars yeah my shoe game legendary bro that's crazy in the fourth grade in the fourth mother fucking grade bro you hey my first pair of jay come on bro you had to be you had all the girls you had how i fucking my trying to be your friend seven grade i was cutting grass all summer right i think i was 28 i were working for that first week of school my first pair i had a new i kicked on every day the first first week of school you had you had five pairs of Come on, bro. And then what I, with that next, that following Monday.

Nick, I fucked him up with the motherfucking Nike sandals with the, with the Nike socks. You had, you was one of them kids. Nigger. When Nike socks was the shit to have, you bust out some Nike socks in gym. Mm. It was so bad niggas was still in Nike socks. You know he rich when you got the extra shit. That's extra.

Like a motherfucker. Like a fucking. Like a motherfuckie socks. He's going to get the socks tied out too. What kind of cross you had? Jack, what the fuck? Kind of crazy. That's what I said.

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yeah yeah yeah yeah he said boy scout cookie cutting grass Nick, I got my first lawnmower by myself when I was 10 years old. The next selling Boy Scout cookies. Kids ain't just like you say the age now, it sounds crazy. You got to keep it mind, bro. When we was 10, 11, 12 years old, we would leave a house and be gone all day and come home at 8, 9 o'clock with a pocket full of money. I ain't never had to come home. I ain't never had to come home.

Shit. That's what I'm saying. I ain't had to come home. What you mean you had to come home? I don't remember ever happened to come home. Like saying your mama saying you got to be home, man. Never. Never.

So how long would you stay gone? Well, I don't know. I ain't know if I wanted to stay on. But when I wanted, when I get about 12, 13 or whatever, even 10 in Milwaukee, Nick, I could stay out till the light come up if I wanted to. To the light come up. I'm talking to the, you're talking about the sun? You're talking about the sun?

You're talking about the sun? And you did 13? In Mississippi, I could stay out for four days if I want to. Mississippi, did you? Yeah, you can stay out for a day. Long as somebody hear from you somewhere. You just call them, say, Mom, I'm Tracy. No, there ain't no cause that long as somebody else.

Friday, you might wrap the bus over your auntie house and be over there until Monday and did you. You seen them? You seen them? You seen them? You seen them? I seen them over there early. It was never. I was one of the two older kids.

I'm only had six kids under me, so she would worry about them. Yeah, I mean she had to feed you that night. She ain't never really had to feed me no most since I was about 13. I was about 13. Wow. I was already a lawnmower thing. I stole a nigger lawnmower. I had my uncle painted.

Damn. And mold yards. No, but back in the day, bro, you could run up some money cutting goddamn grass. Y'all used to fish and growl. Oh, cut grass, all that shit. You're from Iowa.

Yeah. It's cold as fuck up there. You from Iowa? Mm-hmm. What part? De Moines? Des Moines. It's a lot of niggas up there.

Man, it's some of the baddest motherfucking women you ever seen up there. I went one time for a show It was a bitch My show looked like In there a couple of times With the fat booted Like the cartoon

Went out of that Oh man There's some rich-ass houses down there too I was coming in there left or right They look like There ain't no niggas though Ain't no niggas in them houses I ain't see

I ain't really see Wealthy or not wealthy But Black people doing good Till I moved to Atlanta That ain't in an entertainment They just got jobs. Doctors and lawyers.

Going down a cascade, like, man, this whole block, nays. Yeah. Nice houses. A whole neighborhood for the black people. It's different. They were talking about different money in Atlanta, man.

It's different. Nigger, where I'm from, we're talking about a couple thousand, 15, 20,000 coming to Atlanta. These niggins are talking about 1.2 mill. I was like, damn, they got different conversation. For real, young nigga. My, um, my uncle's in

grandpas though we we from Mississippi and Memphis you know what I'm saying That's what area we from my uh north Mississippi. We got to Des Moines just because my uncle Started That's where his congregation grew And you know what I'm saying

Not a mega church but We's like popular you know what I'm saying So um that's the only reason why we I was even born in Iowa You know what I'm saying because they left there in their teenage years and he grew his church there

you know pastor and that shit do you ever go back and give back to Iowa yeah I go back my mom my parents still there man so I always go back I just went back a couple months ago

it's crazy because these people hired me to host this I think it was like It was a mental health fundraiser or something. It was like local talent. And I was just introducing the local talent. And one of my best friends that I wasn't really talking to no more. The nigga got cute, like 10 feet away from me.

I didn't see that coming. You didn't see it coming? He didn't see nothing. Damn, bro. And your hometown? I was dead like I just was hosting this event we hadn't spoke to each other we fell out with each other damn the nigger they said the nigger came up there to talk to me like to make shit right I seen the nigger you said it my seen him I seen him why yeah this shit ain't funny

I mean crazy brad that was brought you in part by bad now I seen him walking I just seen him I seen him walk because I know his I know his his his walk I was like I think that's him I didn't see his face I just seen him walking and like there was like a container that was in between where he and beat

so I ain't see nothing then you just heard this bah I just heard at first we thought it was like a firecracker or something why everybody always think it's a firecracker that's what the crowd was saying

because when it happened nobody like you know when when niggis shoot niggas get out of there like nothing happened niggas just chilling niggas just chilling it's like oh it's a firecracker the host get on the mic

and he they knew that it was a gunshot but the crowd kept telling oh it's a firecrackers a firecracker like nigga I know the difference between the firecracker and the gunshot but we still just chilling then all of a sudden like ambulance coming and

they did the yellow tape and all that and before we can get out, we blocked in because where I part, like the yellow tape got us blocked in. So I seen somebody know we started talking, which is a mutual friend of the friend. We're talking about him. He's like, he's like, there's such and such coming, come and holl at you.

I'm like, nah. He's like, damn, he asked me where you was, you know what I'm saying? And we're just talking about him, talking about him 10 minutes. Then he's like, shit, what's you're going to do? was like, I can't do shit. I'm locked. I'm blocked in this shit. I got wait, you know, till they move this shit. I said, what you're going to do? I'm fin to go get something to eat, get a drink and shit. Just hit me when you leave. That nigg was walking across the field. I just happened to ask somebody who it was. I didn't have no, I didn't, I didn't think

I knew who this nigga was that this happened to. I didn't have no clue. I kept hearing rumors of like, although he's over, like, he's laid over there. I kept. hearing him say he alive he ain't alive he's fighting for his life or whatever I just happened to ask my cousin who was there I was like who who is that and she was like oh I got his

I forgot his name so she went over to the cop asked the cop came back like it's such as such I said what the fuck such and I'm like man what the fuck it's my it's my best friend from there you know what I'm saying

the whole time like we was just talking about this niggas is crazy so that's the last time i went there then see i took i took i took my my people with me though you know what i'm saying so i had protection there but my aunt when i came when i came home my auntie and you know my moms was saying and people who kept saying man i had a feeling i had this feeling that something was going to happen What was buddy into, and why y'all fill out? Man, you know, it'd be like... Oh, hell not.

I'll never fall out over no hose. I'm just talking shit, man. Hose, nah. It's always doing all. I might fall out over you for principle. Mufus Fossus. Fell out. It was like one of them things, like,

you use the word friendship loosely, you know what I'm saying? didn't really know who's your friend for real because like your friends like i know this our relationship is always competing with like everything competitive like everything everything i do to do better it was like one of them things then once i started producing he want to do it and it's like because i'm not i'm not like over there with him he feel like he feel away like does he play video games i don't play video games i'm in the studio and i feel like if this is what you want to do you should be over here like you want me to come over there and it's like i'm not that type of friend like i'm i'm not the type of friend just the waste time for him play i don't play video games

so like your day is different for mine i'm like in here just doing this all day we're still cool I still fuck with you. So it was like one of them things like just the, I feel like some jealousy, envy type things. You just can't have them type of people around you. It's like after like giving the person the chance after chance

and it's like the the energy that they put out is kind of like it can get to a dangerous place. That's crazy. So I'm like, I just like I just left it alone after so many times. I'm like man, fuck this shit. So I just stopped talking to him.

So I guess, like, you know, he came up there to make it right, you know what I'm saying? Now, question, you was up there for a mental health event. For a mental health event. Why were you qualified to speak at this event? Well, it wasn't a speaking event. It was like fundraiser. It was like local talent. So me being who I am from there, like they just hired me.

They just, you know, reached out to me through social media, you know, see if I was interested in hosting the party. I mean, hosting the evening. Okay, I was just asking because I was wondering if he was an advocate for it and stuff. Mental health, I feel like it's, like, the era I come from, like, hearing the word mental, the words, mental health is like a new thing.

Like, I feel like we grew up like this. It's like regular shit. Yeah, definitely. You know what I'm saying? Like the things that people talk about now or advocate for or try to fix. or things like this kind of like natural

regular shit that we just it's real definitely I agree with the friend and he probably was a cool dude that you probably rock with but all that competition stuff and I got a partner

like that that I had you know do away with because of competition and I think mental health I'm like you can't say that to me at this age you got to Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's like we're not really 27 no more. Absolutely.

And I've been rocking with you for a year. Like, you said, chance after chance, like, I really rock with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the competition thing is one thing. It's dangerous. And your mental health is, you've got to be mental health talking to me like that. Yeah. I only, you know, definitely.

Yeah, it gets dangerous. Like, a person like that can, like, actually cause you harm, man. I know it. You got to get away from me. Yeah, I get away from them. They'll do something to you. I know it. And you go to, when you feel it,

that's definitely mental health. I don't be feeling like nobody. But if I go to feel like that? Exactly. What's going to be able, man. Why am I scared of you? Exactly. Where am I scared you, man?

Yeah, yeah. I've had no more like, what the fuck am I doing scared like that? I'm scared. I'm fucking scared. I don't understand why I'm scared. We're not friends no more, man. Yeah.

And that was brought you in part by Backwood. Hit it hard from the front. You put hard in that this time. Roll the race. Roll around to the bank. Yeah. He never, he never listened to it. Like, he, he would never listen to it. Like, he, he would sound being the music, but he would never listen to, but he would use. I could rap, too. You couldn't tell him nothing? He would use me, but he wouldn't listen to me. You know what I'm saying?

What's using you? Did he not listen to nothing you say that? He would never listen to me. Yeah, this, yo. You would never listen. This shit crazy, bro. Like, you're trying to, you're trying to show or tell somebody. like how to do what they're trying to accomplish,

but they have their own idea of how they want to do it. Yeah. But they use you in campaigning themselves, which you don't agree with because, like, in music, like, regardless of you my friend or my family, like, I got to like what you're doing. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you're making music, I got to, like, to like it to actually do something with help you right if you want me to take if you want me to

take your project to ditty or jd or these people i got to like it you know what I'm saying like like it because they depend on what I think right this is my relationship that I created from my work that I put in, you know what I'm saying? So I'm not going to waste their time with something that I don't really feel like deserves their time. But they try to act like

like you're hating on them. Like, man, just let them be the judge of it. Nick, you don't know? You don't know. But you please, man. You're telling about me. You're holding me back. Yeah.

You're trying to hide me. Oh, this nigga hating on me. Mm-hmm. A nigga hating on me. And it was a lot of that. This nigga hating on me. Mm-hmm. You don't want me to win.

You don't want me to this. You don't want this. And you don't want that. I'm the best kept secret. So it's a lot of that. I took him to a... He did like five years in prison and shit. We was young, though.

Like, you know, all my friends sold crap. You know what I'm saying? So he did like five years. Only should have did two and a half. But, like, his... That's not right. his his attitude one day we're gonna talk about how crack saved the hood but he did five years he got out he came down here to visit me and that was like right around uh a ball and mjg video to uh no more drama

get to the video shoot pull up soon as i pull up i see frank need frank nitty another producer Nitty beats. I ain't really know Nitty then. Like, I really know him. But because this is a product, like, this is a video of some production I did. Like, as soon as I got out of the car, he started talking to me. What kind of car you was in? I think I had like a BMW or something.

Yeah. That's why he started talking to you. So you just started talking to me, right? So then we go in this car You're playing me shit So we get out of the car He's talking to me again Then I hear something like from way over here

You know how you be hearing shit But you ain't really tuned in to what it is I hear something going on Then I turn I turn and look And it's him He's singing to a girl Like really saying He's not even from here

He don't know like literally We pull up to the venue brother, we're going to, I'm taking him to a video here. Oh, you took him there. I took him there. And you turn around. This is an experience that I'm trying to. And he's like, Earth Angels.

He's over there singing to this girl. I know the girl, though. Will you be mine? I know the girl. He don't know I know the girl. He just seen a, he just seen a body and just started singing. Just started singing until I was like, I turn and look. And he, he had just finished.

He had just, And then he said, he said, I read his living. He said, well, what you think? What you think? And she's looking at me because we know each other. And she's like, she's like, that's like, so I'm already like, I'm already like, man, like, damn, bro. So I take, we go into the venue, we go into the, into the video shoot. Did he said, man.

I was singing the holes. It's off a real bit of a video shoot. Brough. Makes me love to you, so bring your foot through a little about it. Because this is what he want to do. Like, he want to sing, rap, model, all these things, you know what I'm saying? Produce. We're going to the venue, going to the video shoot, Diddy there, a couple of people there.

And the whole day, like, Diddy was kind of not, like, because I ain't signed with him. Did he was like he was like he wasn't just put me in the video he was like yeah I got you I got you I got you I got you I got you you know I'm saying so we standing there man this thing this went uh making the band was on TV so niggas chopper in the niggas knew who Har Pierre was he see har Pierre over there that nigga's like that's half Pierre I'm finna go holler at him So it's like slow motion. It was like, I'm finna go holler at him. And I was like, he's back with it. I was like, no. He turned around and he said, Close mouth, don't get fined.

Damn. Damn. And see, at that point, at that point, I was like, shit, he on his own. Like, fuck it. I'm going to take myself out of it. What I feel about, I'm going to take myself out of it. Let him do his thing.

Man, that niggas get over the harv. I see him over there. He's chopping it up with harb and shit. Then he'd do it. I'm you. He did like, he put me in it when I said not to do it. He used me, but not listening to me.

You know what I'm saying? You can't be on at work sites talking to these niggas. point out the nigga that you came with that they know that don't make sense that don't make sense it's like he made to me why is you talking to me why don't you talk to him he just said he likes it in the car damn so hard told that nigga like i guess he went over there holl at him about mile and shine john clothes or some shit and the nigga came back he's like yeah man he just told me to give you give you my, my portfolio, and you send it to them.

I ain't giving me work to do. Fucking up your cameo. Give me work to do. So the time he was there, he gave me these pictures. And this shit, like, this is shit that I am inspired to do, too. But I don't do the leg work myself for it, right? So he left his photos and shit. the next time he came back to Atlanta

came to my house, their photos was sick. Man, that nigga was mad as you. What? The niggas? How long was he gone? She, I don't know. I can't remember how long but them photos was sitting there. Same spot. Same spot. He was pissed. But

he got to understand. Nigger just told you that to get out their face. He didn't really mean that shit. It's not what he means. Yeah, he ain't in the game. You don't know what that meant. Yeah. That's been like this. holl at him,

bang, because they know me. You know what I'm saying? Like, why is you holl at him when you know him? So he kind of, he kind of think you kind of messed up his little shot, too. Yeah.

That shit crazy. Damn. So it'd be shit like that, but you're not listening to me, though. Like, it's like... My cousin made a rap song, this and me. Saying I ain't put him with Tia.

Damn. Where I go? It's out. Some shit. I ain't... Fuck, Ked does. Yeah. It went left something.

like that they got had a cousin that sued me what i took care of this nigger oh that'll do it he sued me um we did this beat together that i got uh Sierra and Gucci on Gucci was going to use it for his album and now now mine let me set it up family like blood like music business shit I don't really like the business of it you know what I'm saying so like family music business is really like

being stand up about what the business is like we could shake hands we could be like this is what it is what it is you know what I'm saying it's really easy you split 50 50 that's what it is

like I don't need to do paperwork on you lock you down like people don't really be knowing what they're doing And it's just the excitement of somebody signing you is what they be so thrilled about. And because I didn't actually do paperwork with them, they feel like you don't fuck with them. But not knowing you in a better situation

because you're with me every day. You're going to the studio with me with big, like you've seen everything. There's nothing to hide from you. You know what I'm saying? It ain't like you playing that much of a role. You're like learning too. so I never signed my cousin

so the the the song we did the Gucci Man and Sierra song my people got it on what's that game that popular's game Grand The Father This is a sync deal

Like this is different from music Sink licensing is like you get paid up front like you don't get as many copies as this game sell you don't sell you don't get royalties from this this is a sink deal yeah you know I'm saying so the sink there was like for $2,500 $2,500 or $1,500 that's the same deal no $2,500 for dealing this a one-time thing they don't own it you own the shit you just like leasing it you just license it you just like to this. We still own

the shit. Got you. So, it's just $2,500. At that time like, and that's like, you know, did he help you make the beat, though? Yeah, we did the beat together. And you ain't, you ain't get him

11, 15th. Let me tell the story. So we made the beat together. You know what I'm saying? Like, he, he is his beat that I heard. I was like, man, like, let me fuck with it because you you can hear shit like producers can hear some and make it better you know what I'm saying so I did my thing I put my drum I put drums on it and shit so shit he's in the studio with Sierra like he's not out the picture like he's there like there's nothing to cheat you on like you're right

there you're with me all the time where I go if I go to LA you're with me if I go to Miami you're with me and you pay for all that I pay for all that you are whatever I'm eating you eat I don't eat McDonald's whatever I eat you eat like you're with me all the time like it's a bill like it's a bill you're a bill you're a liability you're a liability you're a liability you're I'm saying so the $2,500 wasn't a lot of money to me he was in the that was my fault that that was my fault like something could be nothing to you but it's everything to somebody else that's right why you didn't just get to me me it didn't even want shit.

So it wasn't really a bit. Like, my, my, I was looking for it, for it to be on Gucci hour. That made more, like, that would make money. You know what I'm saying? Especially if they released it as a single, you know what I'm saying, Sierra and Gucci and shit. So that's, that was disappointing to me like, oh, we just got this thing, this 25, fuck it. You know what I'm saying?

So I didn't, at this time, he had moved back. To Iowa? He had moved back. So all the things that I'm doing, I didn't, I didn't tell him what was going on. He heard it on the game, right? He was playing the game because he played a gamer. Yeah. That's crazy.

And he hears it. And he's excited. Like he's excited when he hears. He's like, oh shit, oh shit, he calls me. See, it's like, expectations can fuck up your head. So he's thinking you didn't want to got a bag for this. He's thinking because the game sold billions of copies. It's like albums.

That do make sense. So he's thinking like he's already spending his money. And he's being taken care of by a girl. He's not wrong, though. He's not, he's not wrong. So he had to leave the girl to come with me. So she's already filling away. So this is actually something that happened out of the situation.

So it's like, they are like, oh shit, we can get a new house. We can get on the phone with me. He's like, y'all, he's excited. Oh, man, that's, oh, that's dope, man. I just sold this many records. There's sold this many copies. And I had to tell them the business. I'm like, yeah, but they're how it works.

They want to spit about those things. I said, I said, it's just $2,500. I said, I'm going to send you some money. I'm going to send you $500. It ain't half. But you're already a liability, man. Like, I don't spend my 10 bands on you. And this is how music business works.

You got to recoup back your money that you put out. Like, niggas don't be knowing this shit. What's the opposite of an advance? That's what you gave them. So I'm like, I'm going to send you this, nigga. You gave him a disadvantage, a deductible. I'm a sin you this. And when I said that, he got quiet.

He snapped. The niggas, no, he didn't snap. He got quiet on the phone. And I knew what that silence was. So weeks ago by, I was like, then the nigga ain't hit me to give me the information to send them the money. They never hit me.

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You know, attorney's going to be flattered by suing someone. like me. Bangling, oh shit, we got a, oh yeah, we got a lawsuit. So the attorney's lying to him because he don't know the game. The attorney's telling him that I made this amount of money. I, he's made, he's made $13,000 off this. He's, he's made $13,000

off of this game. So he, in his mind, he think that I made this money with the attorney telling him but in all reality is the that's the attorney bill that he ran up so he owed the attorney this and see because I didn't do paperwork with him legally he can sue me and sue the gaming company because I didn't do the paperwork with him. I didn't get him on paper.

So before he did all that, I just paid him what he wanted. He wanted to settle for $4,000. So I came out of the pocket extra money. You know what I'm saying? Just by not signing them, just trying to give him game

and how to do shit and taking him in showing him shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm thinking you're about to say a big number. No. So because there wasn't no big number but what the attorney fee was so the next time y'all went out he did you pay for or did he not you're cool now no that nigga be trying to hit me he'll hit me I see a 515 number this is the more air car I pick up hey cut what I'm man man get on my you know what the fuck

that nigger I said the only way we're going to be cool is you give me my money Give me my $4,000,000, bro. That's all, no, we can't be cool. He can't be cool. I'm not taking you out of paying you for your flights if you want to. We can't be cool no more. We can't be friends. Like that's over a flight.

Show me some respect. It's all the whole thousand dollars for. To just act like we never were. I'm telling you about. Nah. We can't be friends. Fuck out of here with that. This bitch is.

We wasn't like that. It's not a cousin like that. What kind of cousin are like? with my first cousin, they're like second cousins. Yeah. All those they live across the street, but they was like the side. They was like, that's my uncle's kids, kids. Mm, yeah, fuck that man.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, and they're a little different. Yeah. They're a little different from my grandpa's kids. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They're a little different.

Yeah. So we didn't really grow. Although it's small and we like, we in proximity, we never like hung out and kicked it like we cousins. So if he gave you back to four thousand. in his back straight. Okay. Tell him now.

Tell him now. I would. I told him. Show me the money. Give me? It's not, it's nothing that. You're not going to be,

we're not going to be on the phone and kicking and hanging out, but I'll forgive him. You answer the fault. And it's not him that making these decisions. It's the bitch he lives with. It's the bitch. It's the bitch.

Come on. And that was broke to your part by backwards. It's the middle. It's like. Never do business with a nigger that can't make his own decisions. Never. Never. Never do that. What do you want to get on the payment plan? Whatever.

You ain't. I just need my money back. I can't accept your apologies or nothing until you get my money back. It ain't even about the money. It's the principal. You sued me when I was looking out from you. I was looking out for you, bro. This is the pleasure principle right here.

Hey, man. I was changing your life. I was the one, you never had such a great time with nothing else in your life but with me. I kid you, bitch. You've been in Miami, you've been in the LA, you don't got a pussy off my name. You got a pussy too. You didn't eat good. And you go to mortgions and shit like that.

This is a bill I don't have to be spent. I could just focus on myself. Like I'm looking out. Yeah. Like nine, niggies. And he was looking at me. And it was funny because my cousin, my, uh, his uncle, which is my cousin. got involved.

No he did. He's sitting at the table at my mom's house and he, I think I just brought it up or something. He's like, he said, what? He said, he's fooling you. What hell now? So he called him on his own time, changed his mind. My cousin calls me like, man, he's like, man, I'm sorry, man. I don't know what I was doing.

Man, I'm, man, I'm just, I'm just dismiss this, man. I ain't fin to do it, man. I apologize. Man, I don't know nothing. I go to sleep, wake up, his text man. I'm continuing on with this. I'm going on, I'm going through with this. I'm going through with this lawsuit.

And so what happens in between time, like, your bitch. Yeah, lower up. Your bitch is the influencer. Yeah. And it's like, you can't be a real man, bro. First of all, you live with the bitch. She takes care of you. All you got is your gaming system.

Damn. That's a lot now, don't know. That's all you got is your gaming system. Don't say too much. He might see you. Yeah, yeah. What kind of system did he have? Oh, this he went on 80.

Probably a PlayStation. PlayStation 1? I don't know what he had. I ain't in the games. But I know it was a, I know that's all he had because, like, I would, when he was there, I will overhear him going back and forth with his girl because he caught his girl into some shit. Like, you know, on them games, you'll be meeting people playing the game. and she having phone sex with a nigger.

She's doing that. She's seen, he's seen, he's, like, he's seen, he's seen a new number on the bill, and he called the number. Man to man. He's like, hey man, he said, hey man, you know such and such. He's like, that's my girl. I'm overhearing this conversation. I only hear what he's saying, hey, man, you know, such and says, that's my girl.

And the nigger on the other, on the other lines said, that's your girl. Damn. You see them clothes on my back? Ain't been having fall in sex. That's crazy. You know what I'm saying? So I, so the reason why I know all he had is a gaming system because I'm going to come up here. I'm going to come get my game.

I'm going to come get my PlayStation. So she had her fall with me, niggas, through his gaming system. That's a terrible. You know what I'm a terrible motherfucker. Damn. That game is all that man had. Motherfuck. This has a real intention.

She sued you. That's what she sued me. Yeah, what if he say that? She sued me. What if he break up with her? Well, it's still, like, any time a man is influenced by a woman where has no logic to nothing

and goes against family. And goes against what it is. Like, you can't come back from that. Damn. You should be able to, as a man, you should be able to control your system. Collins, where are you at with that? What?

How you feel about what he's just said? Man. That bitch like, fuck I'm still stuck on the fact that He cut his cousin off of Forex Hey Man, you get to let that shit go, man No, he cut his cell phone

No, I feel him, man He ain't gonna be flying We wasn't never really in tune like that He had an interest in something I do So I was like, I try to look out You tutor them I was just trying to look out Like, oh, you want to be a producer shit

He's like, man, it's cool if I come down there i'm like cool like on play was it nothing like we just grew up in the same sandbox and got our pamper's chains and shit and we fought together and struck now it wasn't none of that wasn't none of that i treated them the same way i treated like it was the same shit like it was a little cousin it was like i ain't never hang with you like i never hung with you like i never hung with you you You ain't in that club with diving it Was it never a thing You know what I'm saying

So the fact that I I actually took you in Because you have an interest in this What I do Then you did that Yeah Nah Any of your kids

Showing any interest in music Yeah my oldest son Like beats He produced He produced on a couple of songs That I did You know I kind of like

Delegate man Like if If I fuck with you you, I just, although I don't need it, I'm like, man, do the drums. Do this, do that, you know what I'm saying? Just to tag your name on it so you can, it can jumpstart some shit, you know what I'm saying? But how old is he, he 27. Hey, I remember this boy was like this and he was cutting his hair on inside.

Yeah, he was. And he big as hell doing his thing now, got all the hose. He was on. He on hustle and flow also. Like, he, uh, so when, they get the established producers, they ask the established producers if they have anybody

under them, and they work with some of the contestants too, so I slid him in there. So when you see, like, you'll see Nostradamus. That's his name. I'm gonna go watch it, man. It's sound like some good

entertainment. Yeah. Yeah, it's cool. You didn't let that white girl on that chump you off now, did you? She wore white. Oh. Well, whoever they're from Detroit. Oh, that one in that lift. Hmm?

The big girl? The big girl in the lift. She's still in the left. No, no, no. Jack Dean used to fuck, well? Oh, yeah, one, Nick. I used to tell that pussy up. Do you hear me?

How you got to it? This shit is straight up through the middle. You hear me? I used to turn her upside down and everything, put in the power bomb. That girl really right down that 500 pounds. She's suing lift. It's like $4.50, though. And you know I work out every day.

You can go check my Instagram. I think that was about. I thought it was about $4.95. Yeah, I'm good for it. I'm good for it. I'm good for it. I'm $69 in her face. Oh, for it. Yeah, she'd be eating this booty cat. Jack? Yeah. You squat? Yeah, I squat. I squat on her.

Hey, man, don't. I'm a squatter. I'm a squatter. I'm a squatter. I'm a squatter. I'm a squatter. Jack, what the fuck roll with you? Crazy. Hey, dog. I'm a DEI. I'm a DEI. You definitely are. Yeah, I'm an equal opportunity. You know what I'm saying? I'm looking out for everybody, bro. It just ain't got nothing to do with me. I'm about community and taking all people to a whole other level.

If they won't fuck you, we'll fuck with you. You got to feel their wrist and know how heavy they are. No, I just feel their stomach. That's it. I feel like stomach. And once again, yeah, I'm into big girls. Jack, who this podcast sponsored by this week? This sponsored and part by Backwoods.

He did hard from the front. Roll around. Shout out. Antoinette Pride. J.O.N. Yes, sir. It's one of your favorite bangs and dash people. You know, me and this thing is a girlfriend.

Word? Yeah, sure. You go way back, you know what I'm saying? I was fucking with that nigga when he first came here, right? Yeah. Coach Kay linked this up, yeah. Yeah. You were talking with Coach Kay?

Get out of here. Now you're a whole legend, bro. That nigga be outside meeting folk. Jack Thrill had this one girlfriend. She broke up. Who broke up with who? You know, meanwhile, you know, back in the beat. What happened, Jack?

Go ahead, K. Doug. What happened? Then she broke up with him. I don't know. Did you break up with her? I know you caught her cheating, but did you break up with her or did she break over with you? He called her cheating and still got broke up with him. So she got caught because he told me. Nosey motherfucking. Jack, your lady left you for catching her cheating. Do I look like a nigger a lady at leave?

Yes. You look precisely like that, bro. You look exactly like a nigga. I knew he was hurt. You better get left by a lady. Yes. I knew he was hurt when he called me. Dude, I flipped in a DM.

Oh, that this nigga crazy, bro. Do not go in a woman DM. Who was in a DM? Which one of them? All of them. Damn. The one that fucked me up was the nigger for so for real. Damn.

Why are you even giving a fuck? Because he was trying to get him to candy-coated rain drop. And that was my love. Jack. Jack. I hate it, Jason. Don't be in petty, man. Don't even worry about that it, what is it?

You called her cheating and she broke her with you. The nerve. They were married working out together. I shouldn't have never been in a DMs. I should have let her do a thing. That was her business and that was my fault. If I could do it all over again, I'd have a deal that had away with me. At some point, you've got to take accountability, right?

Jack, that's afraid. Real man shit? Yeah, absolutely. No, fuck that. You should have, you knew that in the beginning. GLC on social media? Hey, no, you know, they say you can't turn a hood into a housewife, but maybe I don't want a housewife.

Maybe. You just want a hoe Maybe I just wanted a hoe And I just wasn't mentally ready yet to handle a hoe What if you married a hoe Jack and she just He did? Graduated into being a housewife, she lose all her whole ways

Are you going to leave it? I was trying to do that I was trying to make this happen. It almost did. So you ended up in it. If it wasn't for those pesky kids And a pup name Scooby-Doo. Those mellin little kids But hey, we're working on this show right now, though, right? Jack. We've been to find me love, though, right?

I thought that you said that Hodes make some of the best housewife. 100%. They clean up good. They cook good. They're real good lovemakers. Homemakers. They raise kids good. They're real great to talk to.

Great social skills. Amazing social skills. You just got to find out where you are in their mind. And I didn't know where I would. in her mind yeah I was boyfriend number six you know what I'm saying when I was trying to be boyfriend number one and what did you learn from this you you you might have well stay at six yeah married to him yeah I was married to him you was number six oh number six yeah damn oh number six you just decided to marry

hey it can happen anybody right no just you at least you ain't bitter about No, man, do I look better? Imagine me better, man. Man, fuck these bitches. You do look, hey, they're just like buses, man. Hey, you miss Wayne, you what? You see him on coming. You fucking stuck.

You kept you enough. Tell a ride. He got calls somebody. Give me a ride. But they got Uber now. Yeah. Damn. But we got that show coming out, though, right?

For the love of Jack. For the love of Jack. 20 holes competing for my affection, all in one house. It ain't going to all be holes, Jack. We're going to throw maybe two or three, but there ain't nobody going to get no house for 20 holes. Okay, okay. Because they go and put a hole in a lot of face you got a squat on.

Hey, 100% and I'm here for it. I'm here for it. And I need to do some more squads anyway. I figured out what I'm looking for too, though. What I bring to the table? Dick, balls, kissing. I kiss real good. Make breakfast.

it's real good. That's not going to make them interested, Jack. I'm looking for a protector and a provider. Jack, that's day. That's day shit. I'm trying to get like them. You look like a man, think like a woman. That's right. Coming soon. Come soon. That's the name of your shit. Look like a man. Think like a woman. You got to get inside their head. Well, you know how many, you got to get inside their head for you get inside their bed. You know how many of all us will be married right now and we talk like a woman? Why are you going to come from? Quint on his hook. Hey, man, you hear this shit.

I think you wanted something, though. Hey, talk about it. Steve did it? I think you on to see it. Shout out to Steve hub, man. Look like a man. Think like a woman. Damn.

It was right there in front of us the whole time. The whole fucking time. The problem is we ain't trying to get inside their mind. What about what they want? Huh? Preach. Yeah. If they're telling you.

to bring 90% of the shit to the table and they don't want to go 50 50 what the fuck you're supposed to be doing paying 100 fucking percent damn yeah give them the sun the moon the stars the mountain that's what she won that's what she wants damn and if i want her that's what i got to do and i got to do what i got to do jahin put that woman first put that woman first bro that's what that's what we got to do man but i'm six you six you see i was the sixth man I was a six man on that one, because I was going against the grain. I was trying to be the only one. What if she don't just want me?

I should let her have all the other needs. But she and y'all just like share the duties, though? Why would you do 100%? I'm going to share whatever she wants to share from here on out. From here on out, I'm going to be what she needs me to be. Jack. So she's getting like 600%. She's going to get whatever she wants from me.

If she wants a nigger, that's six, six, by all means she deserves it. And I'm going to help her find it, and we're going to goddamn go find this nigga together. If she's looking for a nigga with six, the niggins six figures and shit, you know what we're going to do? We're going to get online and see what type of professions make that type of money, and we're going to find that other nigger that can help provide for us. You did? Jack, this lawyer ain't going to sell no copies. They said the same thing by Steve Harvest shit.

I'm trying to say it now So I'm giving you a reason to say That I told you so You I feel like you're not supporting me right now When you go off to be extremely successful I need you to use this moment as motivation Oh yeah You ain't never gonna be shit

That book of yours That book ain't worth a fuck Oh yeah You won't sell one goddamn kind Oh yeah I'll show you Carlos You just wait I'm gonna come back

I'm gonna be really rich I'm going to have a woman that loves me. I'm going to get a big house and everyone will know my names. In your dreams, pal. Huh, you wish. You just wait and see. Hey, man, that's your fucking problem.

You got all the talent in the world but can't nobody tell you nothing, Jack? Huh, huh, huh, huh. You know what? Maybe I am stupid. Maybe I might be blind, but you know what? I got a heart. I've got a part, Parlo.

And that's something, you may have good looks. You may have money. You may have all the holes in your disposal and fame and just everything you've ever wanted in life. But you know what you don't have? What? Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

What don't you have? I tell you what, Jack? You go out there and you're going to make a fool out of yourself. Oh, think lack of a. man look like a woman oh what do you say think like a man look like a man see it's stupid it's just so stupid it's dumb jack it's just stupid that's what it is it's just a dumb idea man nobody wants to read that crap man that psychological bullshit Joe can you rewind it so I can see what my my book was called

Look like a man Think like a lady Look like a man think like a Cat Cat's with me right cat Oh he left too See nobody believes in that shit Jack It'll never work great

What do you think? See You don't even see this happening for yourself Hey Sonny this is a complete polar opposite From the last time What do you think? well that's what you want for your life i'm i'm here for it hey man what's coming next bangladesh yeah i know you keep some some hits in

rotation i've been working on my own thing oh before we wrap this up man what was your thoughts on the grammies this year that just happened the other day i didn't watch the grimmies but uh i seen who won i think it's well deserved uh you don't want a few grimmis You got five. You got five, Wendy? Yes. As a matter, as a matter of fact, after the Grammys, after the Grammys aired, I had a segment on the news about me. So everybody's seeing the Grammys, if they continue watching it was on TV across the nation.

at about a five-minute segment about Bangladesh. That's dope, man. Yes, sir, yes, sir. And that was brought to him part by Backwood. Get it all from the back. Roll around to the front. I think Kendry deserved what he got.

They finally gave Beyonce an album of the year. Coach Carter. Motherfugger. Coach Carter. Cowboy. Although she had to do a different genre of music, I don't know how she feel about that. Me personally, I don't think it would hit the same

because she didn't win for, you know, R&B or just greatest album. I feel like she had to go into this genre for them to give her that. But isn't that, like, bigger, though? if she's doing a whole other genre and she gets a Grammy in that. I think it says a few things. It's like, well, you got to do this to get it. Like you can't do what you're doing to do it.

You know what I'm saying? You're doing the foundation of music, urban, urban culture music, R&B music. She couldn't win the album of the year for that. Yeah. She had to do country music to win an album. At Bangladesh, we're trying to win the Grammy for and the comedy Grammy man came

to all eyes on us. What's up, man? You're gonna put that together for us? Yeah. He already said he can make anything sound good. Yeah. Well, we while we're working on that right now, is we just let a final camera? Yeah, he already got a pack for you. Good.

We're gonna let you get the whole five points because we ain't no fucking niggas. Yeah. You produced the shit. You're gonna get, we're gonna get our money on the other side anyway. We're gonna get that $20 million, boy. Right. from bowling before we were going even going in the studio to i'm making sure i'm just going to be

up front with the artist where whoever work on this project jack i'm making y'all saying a shitty record deal off the top because it's the first time work for hire that's the only way you're going to be successful yeah first deal like shit yeah you're gonna make it yeah it's honest i just know you ain't nobody making no money out of the first the first hit except me in bangladesh invoice and shit. And then I'm had to sue you for $4,000 just fucking with me. Because if you ask me more than two times about this money

I'm suing your old ass for $4,000 off the real. $4,000. You too, duh. Hey, your name is a lawsuit. I'm looking at $8,000. But you know what, though, Carlis? I think that we do that shit and do some like pour some nips and shit at the same time

sell $25 albums go old school with it. I had to sell so many goddamn albums to make some fun of it. You do an album. Jack Thrill die. And then you die. Oh shit. Somebody got to die.

No, you. Not somebody. You. We do an album. You produce immediately. You die. Go off and die. I'm telling you what going on, though.

How should I die? How should I die? Do it matter? Do it matter? You're going to blow up the album now. Die having a heart attack, squatting on the bitch face. Yeah, bro.

That's realistic. That's going to go. That's going to go crazy That's going to be our MTV news That shit's going to go praise Hey, though, anything to take my team to another level I'm in I'm in, I'm eating

I'm eating some pork in night Let's go All lies on us All lies on us Something wrong with you, man. Jack of food. But it's incredible that a nigger won from making a diss song a commercial. It's a damn good song, though.

Yeah, it's like. A hell of a song. Like, if they didn't tell you as a diss song. It's like a creative way to, like, who's made a commercial? actualized hit record this song like this shit and the kilt you playing everything Drake is commercial

you 50 cents which one Whangster? Yeah Oh yeah That was the biggest song in the fucking country when that shit came up Yeah no what Wainste it was okay Hit them up

No Vaseline No but I feel what you're saying Not like this is the biggest This is the biggest song of the fucking year It's still in the day like it did the first day it came out. What's that one that easy head with, uh, that, uh, hey, yo, doctor, here's another Papa strike in his back, watch.

Real motherfucking G. Real motherfucking G's. That one wasn't as big as this. They're released, they're, it was good. It was good. To be winning. It's a big pop record. It is.

Yeah. That the world seems. The whole word. Back in the day. The world scene. Well, it wasn't like this guy. That whole. Grimmish was like

80 minor. It's so bad like a nigger is swooning you about that shit. Hey, if you drinking the record label. That shit, crazy.

If you Kendrick, do you bring out Drake or no Super Bowl? Or do you bring out, do you bring out Lil Wayne? You don't do that. No. No?

No, I mean, Little Wayne wouldn't come out any, like. Yes, he would. He said it. He said, I'll come out if you let me get in now.

I never heard him said that. I did. He said, it on um on uh um what's that show called first take he said it on first take he said i i will go because i just wouldn't i just i don't know like if it if it ain't mine i i'm not gonna come out if i if i if i feel like i should have been the the the one to perform i wouldn't i wouldn't feel slighted if i just um come out then like i don't know i wouldn't i wouldn't do it

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and daff a mugger. Oh. Not that he need to do that, but I'm just saying visually would definitely come out. Just to let motherfuckers know it ain't no hard feelings or nothing. Wayne is connected

to Drake. So it's like... Yeah, but Drake fucked his girl in prison. Yeah, he did. Yeah, but he's... He fucked a real... He ain't never do nothing back.

They still combined. He fucked a bitch. You and... real good. You can still get the money, but I'm gonna go, I'm gonna be just bitches. No, it's not just bitch. It's the principal, like you said. You fuck my bitch, I'm gonna stay with your enemy. Yeah. Y'all ain't gonna fight no way. I get money from you, though. I'm still going to stay with you in. Yeah, it would be disrespectful if Drake was his boss. You can't tell your boss what to do. This

bitch, I'm expanding the brain. Yeah. You can't feel no type of way if I do have to go out here right quick. He gonna fill away. He can. That's this. He's, he's, he's nothing more feeling. You probably too, Lou Wayne. Yeah. He ain't gonna get for $4,000? $4,000. $4,000. I can't believe he ain't gonna let that shit go, man. Man. Where your cousin I had need that 4,000, man. You see that light? It's the principal. I'm the only grits in the eggs. That's out your ass. And your cousin need that 4,000, man. It's cool. I need it to one dollar that's not a rich day rich you got to count every dollar jack

listen if he let you fucking bitch then were you forgiven no and they crazy jack that's not a relevant this is not attractive see but if she was attractive no hold on don't speak for my dog he don't want the fuck bitches that then fuck his cousin i don't want it's about the money dog and they're gonna do a cousin's in this point let me fuck they bitch oh oh i see what you just said like this that's what i'm doing it anyway nah he's not don't don't don't let me do shit i ain't i ain't gonna my family members of my friends bitches that go against the code what if they broke up with a mama no okay think about your cousin jack your cousin ain't never really had no bitch that you wanted

no no no my cousin got three fine-ass baby mama's man i ain't on even front three fine-ass baby mom Hey, Playboy. He'd smash. He'll try. You have a baby one of them too? I wouldn't try. I wouldn't try. But I'm just letting him know he got good taste.

If it happened to her accident, you'll blame yourself, wouldn't you? I ask him. I would ask him, if he cool with it. No. If you don't mind. So you'd ask your cousin, is it cool if you could fucking say? I would do it. If she act like she liked me, then I would like, hey, playboy.

I think your baby mama's like me. I don't know what to do. Jermaine Jackson got That's why everybody love you Jack Because you They just know you You're a different type of nigga

And hold on This is you just brought up Some real good shit right now Jermaine Jackson and Marlin right No that was Randy He was Randy He fucked his little baby brother And how did that work out for that?

Got two kids He broke up with a two Mm-hmm Oh he broke up Yeah they broke up That shit's just weird They moved in the house You were still moving around the house

With you're too many bitches In the world Yeah Yeah And you're the Jackson Yeah, yeah. Run around that got a couple of kid by Randy in the house. Now you're just letting the girl have a way.

That's a bad example, yeah. You're kind of like under her influence. I'm not a spell. I wonder who liked it the most. Germain? The nigga that had her first or second. Niggett had a second. He probably wanted her whole time.

Well, maybe he was jealous of his brothers. Because he would probably, she probably would like go talk to it. Maybe he was always in competition. always in competition but he was always like that but he was way younger than him germany is 50 but you know like the younger kids always get more attention than the older niggas so he probably growing up in the in the family he always got more attention he was way younger he was way younger he left the jackson five because michael was famous as far he left no he left because he just married to barry gord's daughter but what that

got to do with the Jackson 5 if you leave in the group Michael left first though no he didn't no he didn't I thought he went solo first no he went solo first no Jermaine left Germain left first and went solo

and went solo let's get serious I didn't know Mike left third he left he asked him Germain left and didn't make hauling nothing they didn't make let's get serious to the 80s

yeah yeah he had some other shit it was 75 Daddy's home. Daddy's home. Daddy's home, yeah. Yeah. Jack, know that Michael Jackson. Shit. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they went to CBS and 75? Yeah. And he didn't go. Yeah. Yeah. So he's fucking with Hazel.

Yeah. And he didn't want to leave. And she left him on the victory to her. It's always the girl influenced. That's a girl broke up to Jackson 5th, and she left this nigger. I don't blame the girl. I blame the nigger. he didn't know no better he was trying to suck up the barrack on you a nigga though that's all he was doing

he thought that was going to get him like on the same level as Michael if you if you you stick with me over here I blow you up big as Michael but the nigga didn't have Michael talent at all nothing close to it damn he could moon up

I've never seen him do that I've seen him do that I have seen Marlin do I have seen Marlin do that That nigger looked crazy. You look retarded doing that. What was the hairstyle? The cake on the head thing. They should have had one kid.

Just Michael. Because there's too much pressure on the other ones. But you can't have a joke. There's no Michael Jackson without the Jackson 5. It won't happen. He needed them, Nick. They gave him strength. If they wouldn't have been up that thing, he wouldn't have tried to sing.

And I really think Jackie Jackson is Joseph brother. I know he sang on one song. Jack's saying. That nigga will groan this shit for a long. That nigga big and fuck, man. You were tall as hell, boy. Tall as that motherfucker. That nigga was gay.

You were old as hell out of that. He was born in 1950. He was 23 and Mike was five? No. He was the old as fuck. He got, he was born in 50. Michael born in 58. Damn.

Oh, Jackie. Yeah, Sigmundasco, he's 75 years up. God, damn. Jackie Jackson, 75 years old. He didn't work with Mike. And he was sleeping in the middle. He didn't get to work with Mike. Sleeping in the bed. You didn't get to work with Mike.

I think, I believe that I was getting, I was going to one day work with Mike, but he, you know, he passed. I feel like I was, I was on that path to work with Mike, though. I think Mike would like what I do I think I would get his attention with what I do Who was an artist That you know you feel like if they would have had

Your beats they would have had a Better career All of them How hard is it to get a beat though It ain't hard to get a beat Dr. Dr. Dre said you're the hardest Nick in the world to get in touch with it Nah man

Oh People you know that what that is is people don't want to tell you where I'm at it's whoever you're talking to whoever told you about me or brought you what that is like a middleman taking something to dray for his own benefit and it turned into something else where now dray wants to meet me So he's not in position to control it no more. Well, I'm not signed to him. And he knows what we meet, he's out the picture.

Yeah, because Dr. Drake kept seeing that, nigga. He was like, where you boy at? Yeah, exactly. That's the problem. It ain't bad as hard to get a hold of me. Niggas don't pass it on. They don't make it happen. He had to go to somebody else.

Not the nigga. And when he told me, he's like, yeah, man, he said he named the nigga. He's like, yeah, man, he just, yeah, man, he never da-da-da-da, you know what I'm saying? What type of nigga this nigga is that he's named? One of them niggas is an industry, nigga. Industry, nigga? Industry is fuck. So when y'all finally caught up, y'all got in there and did some work?

That's a good question. He, so, he wanted this beat that I made. but actually I played it for this guy to get Dre on the song because I got this song I got this particular beat has Ice Cube Game Kendrick

Snoop and Nipsey on it Let me get on that And I want it's And I wanted I wanted Dre on it Yeah He was feeling like

Dre will want it Which would be beneficial for him Because he's like A and Ring You know what I'm saying So when he took it to Dre he didn't tell him What I want He told him what he wanted

And Dre took liking to the beat And now he's trying to find me So when we did catch up Now he was like interested In like working with like under not under him but like signing type shit you know what I'm saying like really present like shit you could use me to get everything you know what I'm saying is that like a production deal

type thing it'll be like signing to him where it probably gets the cut like I see I see art I had a producer sign to me that is signed to him now so all the work that he does is really him doing it it's just his face you know what I never like I was I just never I just never wanted to be under any no form of control of something but let me ask you this are you hearing hits where like with ludicrous that was your first joint didn't see him go on to be one of the biggest artists of all times like that I did first and second album. Yeah, I'm saying.

Was this shit surprising to see how big of a star he actually became? Because, you know, there's levels to this shit. This nigga on a whole other planet where he might pop out, do three shows a year, and then just, you know, make movies for the rest of the thing. Surprising. I don't think it was surprising. I think, and I ain't saying I expected it, but I wasn't surprised. I feel like Chris got a good enough work ethic and he's smart and he raps good enough

to like do what he did you know what I'm saying he don't get enough credit he's so underrated well back when he was on rap city and shit his freestyle the motherfuckers was crazy as hell man all the different appearances I think people recognize his lyrical ability I think you do yeah I think you think the disconnect is like it's it's just rapping though. It's like how good you can put metaphors and words together but in today's time

of rap I feel like you gotta say something and when you're not connected from the right place of like growing up like if you didn't grow up like with content like if you weren't brought up in

the hood or like if you ain't Like you ain't really like Luda just really talks about parties money and it just doesn't work right now like people don't care about the metaphors they want to hear like you say something of reality and real you know what I'm saying like fucking parties money is not enough it's just rapping so that's That's kind of where you get the... Luda can go there. He's done that on Child of the Night. It's hard to go there if you're not from that. That's what I was going to say.

Somebody like, Future, know how they pull that out. That's what I'm saying. He knows how to pull that reality. The reality rap, not metaphor rap. Oh, when y'all say reality, I got it. Like, real shit. Even if you don't like what Future's saying, you'd be like... Got it.

Got it. I thought y'all was saying something else, like on some Kendrick type shit, like J. Cole type shit. That's not what you got you. Not necessarily that. But that works too. Yeah. If you're saying stuff that ain't just how many holes you got. I got holes.

And then I got this much money. It's like taking one of them old guys back in the old chump. Get beat up. Like, that's not working. That's what I'm getting. They would say that as a rap show me. Yeah. It's just not going to work.

It's just a dated subject matter. You know, it's just not. Nothing he could pull from. When you get rich, you start out talking about that, then you get rich, for real. You really have no. You'll be down. Nothing to pull from.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, most artists' first project is the, most you're going to get out of them after that they're rich that's what that's what little baby going through it's like i'm not i'm not a little baby listener but what i hear is like he was once in touch and now he's rich so it's like the music's different he's hanging with different people it's like get rich or die trying to the second i'm like candy shop it's like get rich and i trying was a real

real shit like the title get rich or die trying is like everybody can relate to that you know what I'm saying but once you get rich you kind of put all your best shit on that first hour all your

emotions all everything that you wanted to say it's over with it's you're rich like you're buying $30 million houses now like you're hanging with different people. It's not the same no more. You have nothing to pull

from. You know what I'm saying? So your shit be kind of like dwindling off. It'll dwindle off because you're rich. It's not now the next nigga, the next new nigga, the next new nigga. That's why rap careers don't last.

Because if you're not outcast or something where you're transcending and changing the landscape, when you're talking, about big subjects or like creative music doing arena music doing shit like that you're not going to survive out here you're not going to survive when you first came out popping like you could survive if it if it was a gradual build-up but when you come out like ah

niggas after that niggas don't want to see it no more ain't that fucking crazy That's only in rap that that happened, though. On the other side of music, they can do that shit. It can pop out every year and get the same love for that. All you need is one. Because I think it's like a cool, a coolness, a cool level that that rap brings to. You have to be cool. Y'all say that, right?

You have to be into now, like in the moment, cool. No, now you're right. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I tried to grab. After that, it's over with, like, even Tip. Tip got rich. And his, he went from Money, Club, Carl, and Holtz, Hooked with Rihanna and songs with Eminem. Like, it's cool, but, you know, niggins, what made you, you went away from it.

You know what I'm saying? But Tip still got that. But he wouldn't do it. He'll do it. Like, he'll get a thug on his song. and a shit like that because he knows like how the shit works

he knows how to put it together but that's not it's in his heart it's not there I hear some shit from me like damn nigga don't you quit rapping don't you stop rapping I swear no he can rap

I'm talking about I tell them all the nigga can rap don't you ever stop but the heart like the the the heart like once you get rich rapping is like little like rap. I ain't even rap it.

I ain't doing shows no more. Nick, I'm rich. It's like the stepping stone to get to where you're trying to go. You know what I'm saying? It's nothing that you continue to do. Chris Carlos out there at Katz somewhere, open mic somewhere.

That nix just cannot go to them. You just can't pull up. Exactly. You just can't do it, can't. I'm going to go. I'm trying to tuck myself into it. Go ahead and get that open mic. I had to go to open mic.

I want to sit. I want to do it. right there, burden, stage. Hey, man, when you got me going up? That would it end. What do you feel like right now, though? The colors were like, that gap, that dashed, that gap between you and cats right now.

What does that feel like? I feel like I put in 20,000 that was on stage already. I don't need to put in 20,000 and one more. I'm good. That's why I went so hard when I was doing that. all them nights just hoping and wish some nights

it worked out some nights that it didn't that's what it feel like but it ain't dope see that shit right there's just like just going to the open mic type shit

that's the shit that just show you how to cook this shit then you don't necessarily have to keep doing going on stage to work on some shit you could just create it

and it'd be ready how you want it already kind of eliminate some of the you know what i'm saying once you get on the stage and you perform it and you see how to what's the feedback you're like it's like me i ain't sitting on making beats all day like i used to because it's just beats like just beats like when you're making beats you're just thinking like you're just thinking like in in quantity a quantity of something like something's gonna

happen but now it's like I just want to make songs you know what I'm saying I want I want to I can manipulate just let's make a great song I don't want to just sit up and make 20 beats all day like you know what I'm saying yeah so it's just stepping stones like you're just not doing the same thing you don't have the heart or the love or the passion like that like you get you're trying to get somewhere else you you know too much now like when you didn't know nothing that's the best time to create like because you're you're oblivious to all the bullshit yeah if you get to that level you know exactly what you got to do exactly now like I can eliminate all these hours and just you don't have to search for it yeah like you know

what machine to go grab to get that certain drums or that certain kick or then you got the keyboard for this sometimes you be doing too much yeah less is more And he brought to him by backwood. Keep it simple. Yeah. Man, we can sit here. We didn't have a five-hour interview, bro. We still ain't talked about it.

Look at all this shit. I don't have my research department do research. Tell me about lobster mango. Lobster mango fruit. Lopster mango vucci. That's my clothing line. That's my merch. I actually got shirts for y'all.

You brought us up? Five grammy chain You know, right? Oh, that's hard You brought me one? I got you one I bet And lobster, you know

It's lobster is like It signifies like the bottom But it's an expensive meal now It's like coming from the bottom To the top type shit Look, we got you some shit too Oh yeah That's dope

I appreciate that A8 of 5 South merch Yeah Appreciate that I already know I already seen it I got to tell us something, too. Oh, shit.

Got a, some medium. Should this? Give me that one. Which one? Give me the large. They're large. Yeah. Only got a large and a medium.

You got a three-hack? Hell no, Jack, you're big bag. You ain't have your size. No, it's okay. This is a good for him. This is big. Give me a medium. No, you go ahead.

We're supposed to be. Yeah, the medium. This is the medium. Yeah, let me get them. Jack, your back still big. I'm, uh, it is? I get you, uh, uh, He needed a three-ed.

You're good, yeah, here you go, there you go. We'll put that with- Some good material too. Yeah, yeah. Damn, this motherfucker that gets shit. Yeah, yeah. Hey, Jack, this is the only nigga I know with two black t-shirts, man.

On the back, we got a quote, we got a quote from Michael Jackson on the back. It's the joy of doing something phenomenal. With someone, I feel like everybody here to, like, speak for that, you know? Absolutely. We're making history. In black history month.

Bro, this is your first time stopping through. stopping through here, though. It's actually a bust down Grammy. Like, nobody. This first time ever being done a bust down Grammy, a bus down. Like, come on, man. I'm gonna put, I'm wearing this year. That motherfucker dick, too.

Jack, your ass. Did you feel the print on that, my husband? Jack, what the fuck? Yeah. No, I'm sorry. Just not used to get into that quality, man. I got to get out more. You definitely got to get out more.

I got you, though. I'm going to get you one. We're going to meet in the studio. Yeah. Bangladesh. This is your first time stopping through here, man. Yeah. Don't let it be your last.

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