The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - BEST OF 2024 feat. RICKEY SMILEY, WALLO & BUN B

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

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Take a listen to some of those captivating moments in this special best-up episode. All right, this is too good. I'm going ahead and do it. Welcome back to the 85 South Show. Yeah, absolutely. It's one of those ones, man. We've got a very special guest in the house with us today. I love when I get to bring, like, O.G. comedians through here

that can give us some history and fill in some plight and all of that, man. We've got none other than the super hilarious prank call and radio host. Hey, that nigga always represent Alabama, none other than Ricky Smiley himself. That's just a short version. Roll damn time. I gotta ask you, though, what is it like performing with a younger demographic? Because I'm, you know, I'm older now. You know, my fans still come up.

My fans have aged with me. What is it like when y'all on tour of 85 South? Because, you know, my daughters and stuff love y'all and love everything y'all doing. What is that like? I feel like that's what's really missing from our generation of comedy. I still don't feel like we're... I still don't feel like we perform it in front of our peers yet. You get what I'm saying?

Because comedy club audiences, they like, they really, like, right through. They are all my audiences, like, a little bit older than me. Half of it would probably be, like, late 30s. Yeah. Yeah. I still haven't had a crowd of people for my generation. You get what I'm saying? Right.

Like, I don't have a crowd full of just straight 41-year-old. Right. So I feel like once that happens, then it'll really be a shift in the comedy. Okay. Because we still ain't got to talk about the shit that we grew up doing. Right. You get what I'm saying? Right.

Yeah. So I'm waiting on that moment. Yeah, comedy has evolved over the years. But I've been having a good time. Like, I do my comedy shows during the week now. Yeah. You know, do a 7 o'clock. show, four days. I don't really perform on weekends and comedy clubs. I do theaters.

You act like because you ain't rich as hell. Huh? Man, you get all that damn money, man, you go to work every day. Look at y'all. Y'all got this big ass stupid. There's no fucking looking at us. Look at that. Look at us. That Wall Man, even? Look at this. Look at them crooked pictures. Yeah, whatever. We're still struggling. Whatever. Y'all try to make it look like y'all. You pay that out like real late. Everybody had a whole security guard to meet me in the parking lot to walk me in. I had a whole escort to go around the whole building. He ain't even security. Got somebody dropping flowers

like on coming to America. Who's just bigoted in there, but yeah. He won't have two jobs when you work here. You can't just do one thing. You're a cameraman slash security. Man, please. Y'all ass selling out arenas everywhere. Man, please. I'm still an opening act. Oh, cut it out. You're selling out arenas

in 93. What do you talk about? Now you do get on, now I was going to ask you about this. You do go out and sometimes you just, you'll jump up, pop out on the tour with a with a small or Mike or Martin like what is it like to still get their love and admiration for your peers where they can call and say Ben Rick come rock with me for two I know you don't do it again come rock with me right quick yeah I mean you know I go out it just

depends on what it is I'm just at an age now where I can just say hey that's that's a good look that look like it's going to be a lot of fun I go so I do it now for the fun you know what saying like like that night we were in Houston I think was me you Mike helps you know Chico. DC. Yeah, DC, man. That was a fun night. Because we was in the, we was backstage throwing a football.

Absolutely. You know, having a good time, man. Ghetto Boys showed up. You know, H-Town showed up. They always show much love. Oh, man, yeah. Houston going to come out. Houston going to come out.

Houston going to come out. Chicago will always come out. Columbia South Carolina. I like Chicago do it. They make it like an event. Oh, yeah. They go out of half dinner. You get dressed like your lady.

You can put that shit on that. And Detroit. Yeah, Detroit, too. They'd be there early. Yeah, man. It's just been a, you know, been a blessing man because I grew up in the comedy game, Earthquake. It was earthquake.

I probably... We got lotion light. Yeah. You feel them? It threw me off in the dress room. I said, ah! When I moved the camera, we got to move to censor and stuff, you know. Right, right.

Yeah, man, back when we was, you know, back there grinding and auditioning to get on Showtime at the Apollo, got on Apollo one time and got booed. Damn. But they edited the booze out and put in laugh tracks. And then a standing ovation at the end when I know I came back to Birmingham knowing that I got booed. So I didn't tell nobody I was going to be on

Showtime at the Apollo. Damn. I used to be one of a tough crowd. Yeah, because I was on as a special guest. I went on Elman tonight. Went on as a special guest man. But when in air, standing ovation, the phone started ringing, start doing college, all over the country. I remember Dionne Cole, you know.

He got new special out on Netflix. That's funny. Funny as hell. Yeah. I got one coming. I haven't done one in 12 years. Doing Netflix, John? I think so. Hey, yeah. Hey, it's funny. It's your kind of comedy. I believe it. I think me, you comedian, JJ, that's in Alabama, Mississippi. We got a certain kind of, a certain twist-style comedy. I see a lot of similarities that I like. I remember with JJ, I used to help him out when he first started, JJ was valet and cars at the Marriott Marquis back in the day.

And I used to go up there and get him and say, hey man, you know, I said, I got a gig for you. You want to come do this show right here? And I just remember, you know, watching them start. But we studied under Steve, you know. Now let me tell you this before you move on. Yeah. Let me tell you how small the world is.

Comedian JJ, JJ from the Sip. Yeah. Him and my dad was big partners when he was working down and bookhead valet in the car. My dad used to stay on Old National. Right. So I didn't know that they knew each other like they do. Right. But one night, JJ was at my spot and my dad was there and he was like, you know my son?

And they were like, it's your son. It was the craziest moment, brother. Yeah. I never knew that. One of the nicest guys ever man. man, you know. Yeah, absolutely. I watch all them comedians, man, that a lot of them passed away.

I used to take them all on the road. Tyler, Dirty South, Bernard. Tyler, Craig, one of the funniest human beings. Hilarious. Ever seen in my life, man. Yeah. I used to take old jokes that I wasn't using no more when he first started out and I would give it to him.

I said, man, just do that on stage and use it, you know, to build your confidence up or whatever, man. And we was, you know, we was always tight man in the office. I just remember helping those guys, shoddy, shoddy. I remember all of them. You should do the 559 up here? Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, they would boo you, but they didn't boo that night I did Lodero.

Every drug dealer and stripper in Atlanta was in 559 one night. And Bruce Bruce had on an orange shirt. I'll never forget he was hosting. So Bruce said, say, hey, just do five minutes. If you can survive five minutes, you get paid or whatever. Because back then, the drug dealers, they rattled their key. If you ain't funny, they start rattling the key. at you.

Oh, that's a very humbling experience. Oh, yeah. I've seen it happen. It didn't happen to me, but I've seen it happen. Yeah. And it was about to start rattling the key, and I put them glasses on. I started doing little darrell. And I just saw Bruce, Bruce sitting on the orange shirt with that orange shirt on laughing his ass off.

Right. And that was all I could see through those glasses, because they weren't real glass. They were magnifying glasses cut into some big-ass frames. Yeah. So to make the eyes look real big. the eyes look real big. Yeah. Now, see,

that's what would be funny about these characters like that because, like, that shit be so spot on. It ain't no way you can make that. Yeah. Man, them drug dealer was spinning out drinks,

man, they were laughing so hard and I did it and it worked, got my money, got on out of there. When was the first time you put that character on TV? Oh, man.

I did it on Comic View one night. Mike Epps was on that episode. I never forget it Mike Epps had on a Dallas Cowboy Jersey. My guest was like the crowd had been there all day. He said, man, just do your thing, man,

you know, or whatever. He said, the crowd kind of, or whatever. But I had a comedy club in Birmingham called the Collarstone. So I was on stage every weekend. You know, so if you're on stage every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday doing two shows your timing, it ain't

that you're funnier than nobody else. You just have good timing. Like your pastor been preaching, you can tell when your pastor comes back to church, and he's been doing revival all week, his timing. Their word be like clicking. I tell people all the time, passes ain't nothing but comedians

with different kind of jokes they think I'm crazy. Yeah, especially. I do my show Saturday night. He do his show Sunday morning. Yeah. It's the same technique. Just, come on.

I'd be pulling passes aside, just critiquing. I say, hey, man, if you were to start right there and sit the doors of the church open, 12 people with the genre, but you kept going. You got to know when the exit stage left. You know, because I wish I could be a coach for comedians because, you know, I see comedians make mistakes.

They just don't know. They're just doing the best they can and it feel good to them, but some people don't know to say, hey, thank y'all, good night. The best thing you could do is just let them do it. Sometimes you can't fix it.

Oh, yeah. It just got to be the rep. Like you said, you got to keep going up there until you've got to fail until you succeed. That's the hardest thing about calming it to me. Right.

That shit can happen to anybody at any given time. Yeah. But wouldn't it be good if you had a good coach, somebody on the side, with some experience that, like, I tell you what, the white dudes back in the late 80s and the 90s, they would pull you to the side

and coach and critique and teach and develop you, right? That's how I got good. Between Steve, George Wallace, Carl Strong, they were always pull you to the side. And when they talk to you, you better take you a pen and some paper out because back then, comedians weren't trying to help nobody. They didn't, because they didn't have to.

They're making their money. and you were write down all those notes and then the next show you do you try to make those corrections you know what I'm saying like I had to learn like you never tell the joke after the headliner headliner go out and say hey thank y'all

for coming out and do the announcements good night boom boom you had to learn all that stuff you didn't know you think you're supposed to go back up and be funny again after the headliner you just didn't know and I had to learn all that stuff but Steve was one of my best best teachers George Wallace

Carl Strong all those guys and you would see them on Showtime the Apollo, because that was the first outlet, Apollo and Comic View, when the old Huteley was the host. And now, it was fun back then. You was getting that little money, but it was fun. Right around, and it was no pressure

because you were just the opener, you know what I'm saying? It's pressure now because they paid to see you. So now you can come on stage, you better bring it. You got to. Yeah. You got to. But that rush, though, that rush of just knowing, hey, they came to see this.

Yeah. This is what they wanted. But they put butterflies in your ass. It will. It will. I think the best shows is like, you know how, as comedians and performance, we put so much pressure on ourselves to come up with new shit all the time. And then you'll be rocking your new hour.

You'll be 30 minutes into it. Then they just start throwing out jokes they want to hear. He was like, yeah. Oh, y'all really fuck with me. Like, y'all are going to pay me to do these jokes. You'll be surprised. Fuck the new shit. They were like, fuck the new shit.

Then they like some shit that you. really just like on the bottom of your joke list. Right. They're like a joke that you, you know, as a to you, but it's everything to them. It's the performance. Sometimes people just want to pay to see what they already love. They want to hear you say it or see you do it.

I remember the most nervous I got, we did the, what is it, it used to be, you know, where the Hawks play. A Phillips Arena? It used to be the Phillips. The Omni? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

They are, not the Hawks, the Fox. The Hawks, the FAC, no, the Hawks. Man, Donnell Rottles was on the Martin Lawrence Tour, and Donnell Rottles had a COVID joke that he did, and it ripped the audience up. 12,000 people had got a standing ovation, and guess who dumb ass sitting on the side of the day laughing and joined his show and forgot I was next.

Damn. Yeah, and all the comedians backstage were looking at me like, what you're going to do? And I have a playbook, you know what I'm saying? because I took everything, everything, go back to football. And I had like six different sets. And I went through there, I was like, no, that ain't good. That ain't good.

I was like, yeah, I'm going to do this one. I pulled it out. My role manager went to put it at the foot of the stage. Just like I had some cliff notes. And I went up there and, you know, but that's just to talk about the professionalism and the preparation of your sets when you get in a situation. Because what if you, hey, we need you to do a clean show.

You can't talk about this. You can't talk about that. You got something. That's just me. Yeah, you've got to be ready to... Yeah, real structure. Anything might happen in the crowd. Yeah.

Anything. You might have to take something out. You might have to leave something out. Yeah. And another thing that's been working for me, man, is audience participation. I was going to ask you, though. You made your show very interactive.

Yeah. That gives the crowd a certain kind of access to you. What made you start, like, implement that? You know, I've been doing karaoke for years. Mm-hmm. And... Now, they're some legendary shows at the start. And to start on, my co-host is Chris.

Exactly. And that's somebody you should have on, have on, man. He'll be funny. He's funny as hell. It's hard to keep his attention. But he'll be. Oh, he talks shit. Yeah, he talked a whole lot of it.

But yeah, man, doing karaoke, man, that's a whole lot of fun, man. Audience participation. It helps you with your comedic timing. It helps you with your music. You know, so now, you know, I walk away from karaoke with something like that I can actually do on stage on the weekend. Right. So help you develop your material and all that kind of stuff, man. And then you do jokes in between the acts. So every time I do karaoke here in Atlanta at the city winery, it takes to be gone in five minutes. That's just, I just do it for fun. For My Heart Podcasts and Rococo Punch, this is The Turning, River Road. I knew I wanted to obey and submit, but I didn't fully grab.

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the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you go to find your podcast. Hey, we got none other than, slippery-ass wallow. Slip-a-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Walo, Gingham. Me being in the streets, I was just emulating the shit

that I seen take place in the ghetto, and I wanted to be a part of something. I didn't want to be left out, and I didn't want to feel... I wasn't strong enough to embrace my individualism. Because, you know, You know what I find funny to me

when I laugh at a lot of times with motherfuckers be in the street telling me I ain't no follower. Nicky, you ain't a fit the street gang. Niggas been doing that shit since the beginning of the time. And it's this idea that we have in our mind that if we ain't a part of this criminal lifestyle, we're a sucker, we're lame, we're goofy, we're a weirdo.

And that's what was taking place when I was growing up and I was like, I ain't want to be that. So the fact I wasn't strong enough and I was impressionable not to go against the grain and say, you know what, let me just go to school. Let me go, you know, try to play some sports.

Let me just do some regulars. I said, man, I got to be a part of this. And at the same time, in the ghetto, the only thing I've seen, the only people that got respected in our ghettos, all I get was the motherfucker that got some money. They ain't respect the working, man. They respect Mike with the bins that pull up getting the most beautifulest girl in the neighborhood. He had the bins, he had gold chain on, pocket full of money.

Ms. Johnson, Ms. Brown, Ms. Green, all the older ladies. Hey, baby. They wasn't speaking to Mr. Earl that was coming back from work. There was a plumber eight day dirty. Right. So I said, and a lot of us said, I got to be him the street nigga, the drug dealer. And that what it was, but like, I ain't going to hold you D.C. When I thought about it late on the jail, I said, man, I'm sitting in jail all goofy for following,

trying to be down with some shit that I really wasn't down with, but I was afraid to say, that ain't me. And nobody want to say that. That's why a lot of times, when I see anybody with this ultra-tuff shit, I just be like, come on, dog, like, you're just really scared. You just don't want to tell the homies that you think they're going to look at you goofy. But you really don't, because your tough shit is like manufacture. I can just see through it.

Because it's not consistently. And you really got a heart. You really not as cold as you think you is. That's why you're doing, that's why you're putting all the camouflage on. You got the mask on because you're scared to see yourself. You don't want to anybody see your face and be like, come here, man. Let me get your hug, man. You ain't really trying to do that.

What was the thrill of the streets for you? The thrill was the excitement that in America, they loved the successful criminal. So I wanted to be one. If you go to a judge, a lawyer, a district attorney, the FBI agent, they're going to tell you their favorite movie is Scarface or Michael Culeone in the Gulf.

That's all they love. That's all they love. We only love wrong. And that was always on the pedestal in America. Everything about it was that's the only person that got the...

So I was excited like, damn, can I still an American dream? Because I've never seen nobody getting an American dream working. I never seen nobody obtaining that shit. You see what I'm saying? Everybody I've seen that was getting these motherfuckers get damn.

Isn't that drugs? He got the car. Well, Mr. John. He never had no brand. new bins, man. He's been working for 100 years. He ain't never get nothing brand new. All he do is paint his house eight two years. This motherfucker, flying, doing his got all the girls, got the jerk. So you look at that as

especially young, you want to be, you want that shit, you want to be down. You don't know no better. And even though you've got a good family, grandma and my mom, they tell them what to do, but they do the right pair, they out fucking number. They outnumbered when you step outside of the house and step into the streets. You got all these different personalities, all these different You know, people that's on the same, you know, impressionable just like you. You don't know.

They just know how to camouflage that shit better than you. They put in the real-nicket costume. That real-nigger costume is crazy. They sell them drones at the corner store. Think about it. It's just, you know, they just know how to put it on. They know what to say. They got the balled up face, the energy.

And you're just like, oh, damn, I got to be there on with that. It's deep. So when was the moment that you realized, oh, shit, I'm caught? It wasn't just about being caught. When you go to jail, you're like, damn. I'm like, oh, shit, my ass on the line. They're going to try to get me on some real shit. I ain't one of the dudes that wanted to cap and just be like,

I'm in that joint. Oh, shit, I'm thinking about the movie, blood and blood. Oh, my God. What the fuck that I didn't do? You know? Because I was already doing the juvenile bits, but that shit wasn't really nothing. But when you, you know, they certify me at the adult, 17.

Fakes, who might? Walo? Mother fucking wife. Shit getting deep, nah, got down. He hit the juvie joints. This is his first day. Remember that, juvie joints. This is his last day.

Yeah, you're fucking up. A nigga coming in here with his hand in his pocket. Get your hand out your pocket, nigga. Ain't going to fix a nigga Mike with your hand in your pocket. You got it, though. You got it, you got it, slim. You're going to go through his. How we sound?

Let it marry, Nick. What we're looking like. We good? Give him one second. Oh, shit. Yes, sir. One, two, three, four, five. Dugging.

Okay, bit. Juvenile system, I'm going through that. But I'm a juvenile when they certify me as a adult. Because in Pennsylvania, you know, all these states is different. You're a child being charged as an adult. Yeah, because when you get locked up with a certain crime, I had the guns or the firearm violations and the robbery. So it's like, oh, at the district, when they take you, oh, you're adult now.

You got to go to court to figure out if we want to make you a child again. Because your record mixed with your crime? No, we're going to send you up top. And then you go to court. And you're in there trying to get the mercy of the judge. Judge's like, nah, your jacket to a little lifting. You know what the fuck. You know the right.

You got to go up top to the big boys. So you're still really a kid. Now they're going to sentence you like you're a adult. And that's what the shit get real. And something that you say all the time, what I saw you say about your messaging to, you know, throughout your time being in jail, watching the revolving door.

The young is coming in and out, keep coming in and out, y'all operating out of a book that don't nobody read no more. Yeah, that's what the old, that's what the younger to tell you because, you know, it took a long time, you know, because I remember I've seen this young kid, he was telling on his homies, and we was in the hole themselves. And it was some real information that he gave me and it woke me up to the point of like, damn, that's some deep shit.

And I'm like, damn, nothing, you know, you did your own shit, whatever you did. And damn, how are you going to tell on them? He was a part of, like, oh, gee, mind your business, man. I said, because we're in the gates, like his cell down there, right, with a green joint and we're in the gates. He walked by, and they're like, yeah, the telephone was over here. And I'm like, so I'm like, I'm like, what you say, young blood? What you say?

So my man, OG Jeff Gant, get on the joint, he's like, old gangston the joint, bitch's just boxable or all that. You know, I mean, he was well of respect. He said, what did you say, nothing? He said, y'all heard me, man, mind y'all business, man. See, see, the problem with y'all, oh, geez is, you know, you all, you're You're operating off with some rules in the book that nobody read no more, man.

Mind your fucking business, man. So I sat back down on the bed because his vocal tone was a little aggressive and I ain't know if he really was like that. So I didn't want to figure out if he really was built like that. I just sat down, laid down, let Jeff keep talking to him to the gate. I'm like, because I'm sitting here processing,

like, damn, that was some deep shit. All those rules that anybody died for and swore by and this and the third, that shit out the window. The United States of America, street command you, whatever it was. It's like, say yourself was it ever really a manual or was we just blind following because what the

fuck happened we get out of all this shit right and you look at it and you're seeing like you know for me being in the penitentiary i'm seeing dudes in there for you know you got dudes in that Jones especially in the state of pennsylvania been in here you know 45 years 30 years 30 years is like a normal number damn like that's like normal um you know everybody been like them These dudes doing life, they've been in there for 30 years. Like, that's like the normal joint, man. So it's like, you just like, who the fuck won out of this shit? And on the other side, the ones that ain't in penitentiary, they did.

Right. So it's like, who really won? You'd be like, damn, who really won out of this shit, bro? The mortuary. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, and then it's like, you wake up in the jail, he was like, I did. It take two, two, probably four or five, shoot a gun. pop pop pop pop pop what's that that wasn't even five seconds your life could be gone for less than five

seconds so when you look at that shit and when i think about all the robberies all my crime i probably in the history of my criminal participation and the crimes that i committed and got locked up for it probably didn't it probably didn't add up to about four or five minutes but i spent five years in the juvenile facility and then now in 20 years in the penitentiary i spent majority in my life inside of cells to whereas though I was so normal it was so normal for me to be bitten it was like nothing I get locked up it's like I'll do a bit fucking I ain't saying that you know what I mean going there

it was a program where I go in there I get to the cell block I see oh let me get some cleaning equipment I splash the cell down clean the cell scrubbing all that shit I mean get with the block worker you man I'm gonna need some extra sheets man I need some extra sheets man I need some extra sheets gonna get you away I'm gonna get you some conversation and I just go back there and I just go back

to my bit. You know what I mean? Because it's a program. And you see so many brothers do it. That's why a lot of our family me. Like, damn, that motherfucker do a bit like it ain't five years. Motherfucking, five years, there ain't nothing. Hey, man, how you do that much time and not let it break your mind, though, Wallow?

Because, like, we've been knowing you for a long time, you know what I'm saying? And I ain't never seen you get out of character. I ain't never seen you not smiling. I ain't never seen you speak with an aggressive tone. But, like, the people who know your story know that, nigga, that's a world away from the rowdy nigga you were. Like, how do you deal with that part

and not let it break your mind? Prison humble me because no matter what you're doing and you think you do, how tough you is, I didn't see some real, live, tough motherfuckers. Like, I'm talking about, I didn't see some real live, angry motherfuckers. And it'd be like,

you in that cell and you're in them joints and you're like, oh, my life ain't that bad. These motherfuckers are going to be lifting weights to lifestock. Like, you got, like, you understand. I'm in the penitentiary, the biggest penitentiary in Pennsylvania, 5,000 inmates in this joint. And majority of these dudes got, they got to be here to their lifestyle.

So it's like, I'm looking at it like, I always had this relief in me like, damn, I'm getting out one day. But it also give you a level of respect. It gives you a give you some humility because you've got to be humble in these type of environments because prison was the most dangerous

and the most respectable environment I've ever been in my life because these dudes in here is real-life killers and you got motherfuckers they just, they wake up every day hoping they can stab somebody today. I didn't know how much, they'd be just angry

and bitter. But then it's also the dudes that's on a high level of the mannerism was crazy because it's like they're so serious and ain't playing no game to where it's dough, you will see an OG bump or another OG in the process of going to the

child hall, and they'll sit there for a minute and they have an apology festival. My fault, brother. No, my fault, brother. And you're like, why this going on? Because they understand that if us two go through this shit, it's going to erupt in our different homeboys going to go through it and they fuck the whole

movement of the prison up. Because once that go down, they're going to lock us down. Motherfuckers got to get shipped out. They're going to start taking certain prison privileges. And they're up the whole morale and the movement and the flow of the prison. So they're thinking on a bigger level. So you're sitting back like, I ain't got them problems. I'm going to get out of here one day.

Tomorrow's going to be better than yesterday. So I'm in there always laughing at a day. Always happy because I'm like, damn, I ain't got to be here forever. I'm going to get out of here one day. Because when you go in there and it seems crazy, 20 years is a long time, But I'm like, there's a motherfucker in here across the hall that been in jail for 42 years and he got the rest of his life to go. Like, he ain't even start his time.

You know what I'm saying? So I'm looking at this shit like, damn, you know. And then I'm looking at it like, damn, you know, I can't be in here complaining. I can't be bitching. Like, you know. And then I'm seeing dudes kill themselves. They're hanging up in there. dude's getting raped

motherfuckers getting stabbed to the motherfucker's arm getting tired you know and it's like I didn't you know I had to go so deep

in the prison ways though I had to go insane in order to stay sane so me and you kicking it we're walking in the yard man you see you see the brown last night you see the fight man that shit was crazy

you had a motherfucker screaming over there ah motherfucker chasing the motherfucker with a knife stabbing him but me and you our minds is protected because we already went insane

and stay sane We're looking at that motherfucker like, man, that motherfucker did some dumb shit. But yeah, man, the game was crazy. And we walking. The dehumanization of black people by black people, it already took place in the ghetto whereas though we taught from a kid

when you fall off the swing and you start crying, boy, stop crying, be tough. You taught not to feel and not to be human from a kid perspective. So now we in the penitentiary is really real. You definitely can't be no human. You definitely can't show no signs of emotion. You see what I'm saying?

You're going to do that when you're going to yourself. put your towel up, that's when you, when you buy yourself, you figure that shit out. You you know, you lost your brother. Grandmom. Your grandmom. My mom, my step-pop. So you got to understand. How did you manage that, though? What you just said about not being able to show no emotion

to lose people who are close to you like that in that environment? It gets deep. It get deep with me because my prison joint, I was a part of it. I was a part of generational incarceration. This is something that take place that a lot of us don't understand. generational incarceration is in the 80s

I used to go see my step-pop in prison right me and my brother Steve and Jalau Jalau is my step-pop son my youngest brother so we used to always go up there and hip

hip used to always give me you a man stay I don't do this man go to school he used to always push that on me but you're in the penitentiary so I'm going to the penitentiary to scene it didn't work the game he was giving me didn't work So we're in Dallas Penitentiary. We're going to see him, and it's in Dallas, Pennsylvania.

So what happened is this in the 80s, 1990, by time this in the 80s, so I'm growing up doing my stuff, he's in prison, we're always going to see him. By 1998, me and him and cellmates in that prison, I used to visit him as a kid. In 2005, me and my brother is cellmates in the prison. We used to visit my step-pop as a kid. They wound up going home. I'm doing big numbers both of them expire

while I'm in the joint so it's like it's real deep but on the flip side of this is this in prison I learned about nepotism because while you're looking at us on this side

on this side as inmates and it's a family structure in their brothers cousins and all that shit on the other side the warden his brother is a lieutenant his son is a sorry his sister is run the nurse building his other brother running gym activities of the prison his other cousin run the prison kitchen so you got 15 motherfucking family members on the other side

that work in here and then you got a bunch of other families that's over here you got you got mom you got sons and dads she and sells is both doing life in the penitentiary so it's a crazy thing when you look at it so when I see what be going on I'm not speaking to these cats from a place of some old head that's disconnected from the reality of life. Don't do that, don't do it. I'm not talking to don't do that shit. I'm telling you, because listen, Slim,

and I said it, that little money you got, don't disrespect your blessing. Wherever it was poo, wherever it was thug, whoever it was. I'm giving it to them to them. If you look at it, I'm not talking to them niggas as they peer. I'm talking to them niggas as an elder.

Like, listen, Neff, I'm telling you. I don't get a fuck. What's you talking about? Because money don't mean shit sometimes when they want you. So I'm speaking from a place of it's established. Like I tell people, I don't speak no theory shit. Like, I'm not no speaker out here that's talking about, oh, you could just, I'm not

speaking from theory. I'm only speaking from manifestation and experience. If I tell you something about the, you know, the dark side of the street culture, the penitentiary, I'm telling you based off experience. You know, some people are going to tell you, it ain't jailing cool. Don't go to it. Nicky, you haven't been in jail? Some people are going to tell you, yeah, you can do it.

You can materialize your dreams. They're going to be on Instagram with all this motivational shit. Nick, what you do? Where your money at? What you do? What do you come about it? What did we see from you For you to tell me that I could be

To try to motivate me You can't motivate me You ain't get no money See one thing about this shit out here You can't teach what you don't know And you can't leave when you don't go These niggas ain't going nowhere They're just talking that shit

So they don't have They don't have the expertise The knowledge To be able to speak on certain shit All that magical shit Now that shit sounds good And it looked good Because you think you're gonna get some clickbait

And you're gonna win But what did you motivate Did you motivate yourself first nigga I came out of the pen of tentry and took it to the took it to the top so that's that but y'all built y'all build the y'all build you know y'all y'all ain't no different no y'all is different y'all you're a little different than you know with the waynes brother's built with living color because y'all's shit it's a little different and ain't no disrespect to them they was o g's that laid the foundation but it's a difference

you see what i'm saying so y'all can speak on the behalf of how to build you know a company a platform, multiple platforms. You know what I mean? So it's like, I think we live in this world where it's though people in the young cast, they're not trying to hear something from somebody that ain't doing it or ain't got shit. There's a big difference. For My Heart Podcasts and Rococo Punch, this is the Turning, River Road. I knew I wanted to obey and submit, but I didn't fully grasp for the rest of my life what that meant. In the woods of Minnesota, a cult leader married himself to 10 girls and forced them into a

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Some of these niggas is funny. They're just funny niggas. And then you get funny niggas money, and they feel like the money and the fame co-sign their behavior. It confirms the funny nitty. You know what I'm saying? So. You ain't hit a bar. And people tend to, look, if everybody was a real nigger and everybody was solid.

more people would be successful. You know what I'm saying? But it's more of fuck niggas than it is real niggas. Yes, it is. And that's why there aren't more successful real people because a lot of fuck niggas held a lot of people back purposely. Like, made it their life's work to just make sure this nigger wasn't going to be nobody. Because people, when you grow up, like, when you grow up,

you'd be around niggas and you assume this nigg going to be exactly who he is at 12. He peed in a bed. You assume he gonna grow up just be a grown nigga to pee in a bed. All this type of shit. like, when you go to high school, like, the picking order is already laid as who's gonna be the shit, the basketball, the football, nigga, the cheerleader.

You know what I'm saying? It's like they already decided who's gonna be the shit and who ain't. And then life happens. And niggas start coming up out of nowhere, getting money and making something out of their self. That's part I love. And it throw, but it throw their whole

shit off. Yeah. Because if I said I'm the shit, but he, and I said he wasn't shit and he's doing better than me. And I ain't got shit. It's, it's, it up the order of everything. The fine girl in the school never end up being the finest girl all her life. You know what I'm saying?

And then the tables turned and the niggas that wanted her back then that she turned her nose up, niggas wouldn't touch you with a 10-foot pole now. Niggas doing something for theirself, got something, they realized you were cute for about two and a half years. Four summers.

You know. Two semesters a whole. Same thing with women dealing with niggas is, you know, everybody don't make it to college. Why? You know what I'm saying? The best football player in your school might be 25th in the state if he's lucky. Never get that scholarship.

But she didn't got pregnant for the nick, thinking the nigger for to do something. Now he just, a nigga that used to play football, talking about who he was at the 12th grade all the time. That ain't know. Now how my chick was in the high school, she was like, you in the street. I heard you just got to a shoot out. I can't be in with you. And I'm like, okay, so the nigger you got in school. I'm like, but when I tried doing school, you're gonna fuck with me.

A year later, go by, you had a baby by this nigga. This nigga don't even want to go to school no more. I'm in the street, but I've got money. I'm like, baby, well, we can go to the movies and talk about the shit. You got to take care of a whole other nigga who you thought were going to be better than me. Nothing look at you. You have to give yourself enough time in life

to be aware of what the options play out to be. You get to nothing in the first girl, you fucking. You ain't give yourself no odds. You just kind of stuck where you are in that position. And when I say stuck, I don't mean you, you, your next 18 years are predetermined for you. You know what I'm saying? Whatever it was that was driving you to go and be

who it was you wanted to go and be in life, now you have another priority that's demanding that you step it up now. So if you had a four-year plan or a six-year plan or eight-year plan to be successful, that's cool, but you don't have to go bag some groceries to do something on year one

because it's baby here. Now, you know, my brother wanted to go and be in the military and all of that. He got his high school girlfriend pregnant, then he called a case, couldn't go in the military by the time he got off of paper and he 4'5 cheer and now you can't go in the military it just you have to give yourself time man to see exactly how this shit might play out you know mm-hmm are you from port arthur like that's a smaller town right yeah one of the

smallest one like what was your experience growing up in a small town they're like have aspiration to be a big star so for me it was different because I was born in a big town and moved to the smaller town you know what I'm saying? And I had always been going to Port Arthur all my life because I had a lot of family there. When my mom and daddy got divorced, because my mom was the oldest of her brother and sisters, but my grandmother was still having other children. And my great-grandmother was still having children. So, yeah, so my mama's Aene's are really like her cousins because they're the same age.

Sound like me. You know what I'm saying? They were all kind of like the same age. I got to be. So all her and all my mom. mama's a ain't is my all my grandmother's sisters were still living in Port Arthur so that was her support sister oh I got a huge family my mama my mama's family my mama had 13 brothers and sisters and two adoptive like you know what

them cousins that you all end up raising um and then my daddy had I want to say 10 maybe 11 brothers and sisters you know what I'm saying all of them have at least four children and now we all got children and grandchildren so I got probably between 85 and 100 first cousins. God, dang. No, but that's a real family. But see, my mama got 10 sisters. Because I got on my mama's side and my daddy side.

One of my cousins is my mama's brother married my daddy cousin. So we kid twice. I'm going to see him. I'm going to see him at the union regards. You know what I'm not? No cat. Cug on.

You know what I'm saying? And then all my family from Louisiana, they speak French, but they didn't teach us French. because that's how they would talk about growing shit in front of kids okay so they jump in and out the shit but they never teaches the shit and everybody was telling you learn Spanish

because you lived in Texas and Louisiana and now everybody that speaks French and my family go die with it and none of us can carry that on I said see what y'all get like me and my cousin woke up he's like hey man he's like did they teach you French and teach me none of that shit

I don't think they taught none of us friends and they knew how to speak friends and we were like oh no eloquently Like, my family is all, like, Cajun people. So, they spoke it very well, but they'd be in front of the kid. And, child, you know, Jean-Fat-Ebis, do I have something? Like, you know what I'm, you know what I'm saying? And so, as you got, the most you, the more you would listen,

you could draw some context out of certain things. You could get bits and pieces. Just like, if you, if you, like, I'm in Texas, it's a lot of Spanish that's spoken around me. I could get bits and pieces based on what the conversation is going on in the room type of shit. But, you know, I said all that said. I got a big-ass family. We got a big-ass family.

I'm about to do a family reunion, right? Because I never, not say I was concerned with my grandfather. Now, I'm only speaking on my daddy side. And I need my mom's side, because that's who I've been with since I was a baby. On my daddy side, I know my grandmama, his mama. She had two brothers and a sister. I know the sister never met the brother. Mr. Lewis had eight more kids.

So I got a whole bunch of cousins that I just found out that was my cousin, but I'm just thinking they grew up in the neighborhood, but found out they're my grandmama, her brother, grandkids. These are my cousins. I'm thinking they just stayed in the neighborhood. Now I got my daddy, daddy.

who had 12 sisters and brothers. And all them? All of them in Philadelphia, Miami, Virginia, and my auntie got contact. Now, check this out. I'm going to give you a, this is how old my tree here. My granddaddy, which is my daddy daddy, his niece. You bullshit.

I'm telling you. Wait, I'm involved. Listen, my granddad. Which is my daddy daddy His niece, which is his sister's daughter Right Ninety-four My cousin

You got a 94-year-old cousin I got a 94-year-old cousin Boy, this nigga, D.C. Than a motherfucker How would you explain who you are to her? She knows me. Her mind is vividly

When she say my daddy name Like when my cousin says You know sonny, yeah I know sonny That's woot-o-wooed, that's Haddy's boy. Yeah, and that was your daddy. And that's your dad. And that's your daddy.

Because she's no me. Yeah. Where I make him your third cousin, private boy. Haddy is my brother's wife. Nope. Haddy is my uncle's wife. That's what it is.

That'd be the best shit, though. The calculator broke, by the way. When it comes to computing how many niggas you can too, the calculator is broke at this point. But see, did the thing that a lot of people, but did the thing with Black and Family's, we only stop at our grandparents. Your grandparents have siblings.

That's also your cousins. Like, when I had grandchildren, I don't want them to be like, all right, granddad. I'm like, no, you got a crazy auntie, which is my sister, which is your great aunt. She got kids, which are my nephews, which are your cousins. Your family trees don't just start with me. It goes on and on. And I'm going to tell you how old old your folk really is, your great uncle, 130. hundred thirty right this niggas

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