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Talk about legends. Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on, man. You change the game. There's so many ways, bro. Most definitely. You got to save it for the podcast. I got stuff.

I'm going to wait. I'm going to wait. Yeah. What you want in here? We got to play some classes before we get into it. Oh, I mean, it don't matter. No. That one?

Yeah, we go. All right, Ben. Nothing with them classic, man. You got to do that, you got to do that hip-hop when it was, that real shit. Your little bum, I'll take the cape, you get a corner. Show the new cast, who would move, like, who you'd be fucking. Um, I mix it up. I mix it up, like, cause we, you know, just being around the guys and shit, everybody always

putting us up on something new, man. He just had a young guy Primo Rice come through here, though. He does, you know, Currency and Larry June and all of those guys, man. I'm trying to find something I like from everybody that's out, at least one. I feel like everybody got at least one. I feel like a lot of, you know, a lot of the songs, they got their place, party music, you know, and then you're party, you bullshit, then you got you ups and downs and you're socially conscious and the music with a message, so I try to have different

genres at all time playing well i mean yes the beautiful thing about your pop they can have so many different vibes so many different dynamics you know whether there's some party shit some gangster shit some love shit you know whatever some conscious shit you know you can have so many different dynamics to it man well any of the young guys ever hit you and be like oh gee i need you on this one um not in a minute nah not in the minute um Like, every once in the Blue Moon, like, someone, like, you know, I guess up and coming my ass. But, you know, like, what they're sending me, it's like, nah, you don't want me on that, man. I'm like, trust me, you don't want me off.

Some of that should have just been interesting to hear you on, though. Yeah, no, I mean, I did one with White Shadow, Lady Gaga's DJ, I did one with me and Trinidad James. I mean, it's doable. I mean, but I mean, that was, I think, more, I guess, more trapped in drill. Word. Yeah. I'm going to have to look that one of the Big Daddy Kane on some trapped shit. Yeah.

I like that. Yeah. Oh, man, drag, do that. Yeah. It's got to be. You got some young cats you rock with out here? No, I mean. You know, I mean, I've been saying, um, Jay Cole for a minute,

but everybody's like, they're like, I'm a fuck, I ain't y'all in the war. You know how this game go. These motherfuckers are, you ain't goddamn 18, you, you owe to them motherfuckers, so. So, I mean, other than that, I guess probably only one that I really think of them is probably maybe, um, Lady London. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she'll create, lady London. Yeah, she called. Shit, I like Doja, cat.

Really? That's why when I was with y'all. While and out, Doge Cat was still. Okay. That's a hard name. She rap, I guess she's Dubot. She, everything, R&B, pop, pop, hip hop. So it ain't hip hop today.

Well, I mean, um... It's hip, pop. Okay, so like, what did you call hammer and vanillaise? I'm born in eight. Throw that out there. Now, I ain't, okay, okay. Okay, okay. He was warming it up in 89.

He was... Right, right, right. They were warming up your bottle, right? So you're saying you're not familiar with Hamover in the Lines? So when I was a kid, that was my age around that time, and I was coming up. I looked at it as hip-hop, but then it got to the point where I was like, oh, this pop, but I'm also a kid at that stage. So now looking back, I'm like, oh, that's more pop music.

music like because it just got taken by that and that's kind of what it rocked but I mean you know there was artists back then in the 80s that had that whole pop I mean like hammer like shit was like real pop vanilla ice or tone loke tone loke yeah funky cold Medea and all that stuff yeah okay win we got to get it started let's do it play the music play me some penvin maine you got a very special guest in house with us today I won't bring number legends through him. Big legend.

Number big legends coming through. Big legend. Hood legends. Getto legends. Pioneer. Getto superstars. Black excellence. Come on, man.

That's what we own today, man. Come on, man. We know how to celebrate our anniversary. Yeah. 50 years of hip hop. So we went and got an official, legit hip hop pioneer. Come on, man. From one of my favorite crews of all time.

What? The Juice crew. What? You already know who it is. You look in there. oh no no they did yes they did this is a real yes he did hip hop legend man if you ain't never seen one of the coolest brothers that ever spit on the microphone then you might not know that we got big daddy can in there with us today man yeah hey man that's it that's

we got a salute bro we got a salute bro we got a salute come on man yes man yeah yeah Yes. It's an honor and the privilege to have you in here with us today. I'm glad to be in. Come on, man. Yeah, man. And I come. Put it down.

Made me want to chain this big. Bro, when y'all was playing cars in the video and you wanted to change, I was like, man, he already got a chain. He don't need that chain. Damn, he don't need that change. That's how you do this on the egg. He's taking it out, man. Yeah.

Yeah. Bray, you always been one of the coolest, man. Like, you always had spit your rhymes and you. and you never fuck the money sound just like you was listening to the CD and you're still hitting the dances at the same time So you get another salute just for that it take a lot to rap that shit that you rap the way that you rap it and not and jump in and hit the dance move Come on man Fallback get caught get back up Yeah, man on some hip-hop James Brown type shit

That's what we're trying to do too with the perfect flat talk Come on man, that's what he's trying to do so yeah Yeah, yeah. These kids can't dance long for the 15 seconds. You see him with the little TikTok that quick. That's all they can do. Come on, man. This man, it's been a whole album and hit all that shit.

The whole show. In breath control, but it's on the... I appreciate it. Now, I don't think people look at the technical aspects enough. I think we're too quick to be like, oh, well, we ain't on that no more. Like the young people, if y'all go back and, like, just look and see, like, yeah, you were definitely a good. Yeah, it was definitely a game change. Well, I mean, that's what is really all about, you know, just really studying your craft,

studying your history so you know how to better your future. You know, what I was doing back then, I was studying James Brown, I was studying Marvin Gay, Barry White, you know, several others, you know, and trying to bring elements from soul and R&B into hip-hop that no one had seen before. Because, you know, pretty much everybody from the generation prior to mine was basically, I guess, following what Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five did, you know. The era before me would be like the L.L. Houdini, Run DMC. You know, they were like following what, you know, Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five was doing. You know, those type of cat, stretchers, three of those dudes. You don't know who hell I'm talking about, do you.

It's all good, though. It's all good. It's all good. It's all good. Yeah, yeah. No, no. No, no. But I told you, no, no, no, no, no, listen, I just, I just spit the names, I just spit the names.

You can look them up later. See me, I was like, who the fuck? Yeah, see, yeah, I spent the name. I heard of Houdini. No, because you, you'll be playing the song. The freaks come about at night. That's, you... Oh, that's my reading time.

Yeah. Well, shit, at least you're paying them. Yeah. Even if you don't know who they are, at least you're paying them. I respect that. Now, people always talk about how great up the lyricist as you are. I always wanted to ask you, like, who was. Who was your inspiration?

Who showed you how to rap? Or who did you hear rap that made you say, shit, I want to do that? Back then, there was a group called the Cold Crush Brothers. Most of that. And I wasn't even cane then. I was actually using Tony T. Yeah, this is 82.

You know? And when I first heard them, and I heard this cat, Grand Master Kaz, you know, and he was like, um, um, Grand Master Kaz, Captain of the Four. Another nigger couldn't touch me if he had a Rhym store, even if he had a plant manufacturing of Rhymes. They couldn't make them no better than I make minds. I was like, yeah, I'm doing my shit all wrong, you know?

Like, and I'm like, yeah, I need to start all over because I'm not that nice. And that's who really inspired me, you know? Yeah. Shout out to Grand Master Caz, yeah. That's kind of where you took the, the bragging shit or just, you know, talking the shit about you being better than another emcee yeah i mean caz his sarcasm was like

that shit you hear in the barber shop or the pool hall okay you know he had that type of sarcasm you know i'm six one and a half no good at math say rhymes to myself when i'm taking a bath got true clientele finesse and clout and i don't get into shit that i can't get out you know that type of you know so if the sarcasm is just you know you know what we look at now like the punch That's kind of like where that kind of came from. I think Grand Master Caz was pretty much the first all around dope MC. Like to me, and I'll say this repeatedly until eternity, Melly Mell is the most important emcee in hip hop because prior to him it was always about the DJ, you know, Flash and the Furious.

You know, Charlie Chase, Nicole. It was always about the DJ and then he would have an MC. Once Melly Mell started becoming lyrical, where now you're listening to what the MC's saying. He's not just dip, dip, die, and on and on, and on. He's actually spitting some bars.

You know what I'm saying? It's like what he patterned in 77 is pretty much what the blueprint for every MC up until about 2013, you know, when the Domingo's, I think, changed it to something different, you know. But I mean, yeah, I think he's the most important MC, but he had his one particular style. Caz was that dude that just pretty much could just, you know, do everything great. You know, he was like, lyrical when it came to the conscious stuff,

lyrical when it came to the battle stuff, lyrical when it came to girls. Like the first girl rhyme, I mean, the first girl rhyme I heard was something from him, called Yvette, you know? Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let me, I wanted to ask, what would be your definition of a Sucker MC?

That's one of my favorite phrases from if I've been all time. Well, you know, back then you had, you had Sucker MCs and you had Bighton MCs, you know. And you had Wack MCs, you know. The Wack MC was the dude with the real corny rhymes that, you know, nobody wanted to, you know, the Sucker MC, you know, was the dude, you know, like pretty, most, lots of, most of the time had someone writing for him. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

They're writing back down, too. You know, and then the biting MC was the one that was biting, like a rhyme, I heard you say at a party. I said at another party next week. That was the biting MC. Oh. Sucker MC. Sucker, yeah.

What's about me? So the niggie his sucker emcee and he know what it is. He's like, nah, I made these up. Nah, yeah, like, you know, like a suck emcee. It could be referring to a whack emcee or could be referring to someone that got someone writing for them. So y'all didn't respect the, they have a writer for them. No, no, no.

That's crazy because you wrote for, like, rappers, right? Yeah, I wrote for other rappers, yeah, yeah. But you got to understand. That's not. But let me explain, though, you're talking about hip-hop, you know what I'm saying, when it's a street culture. Okay, all right. You know what I'm saying? Now we're making records, so it's a real music genre.

Okay. Right. But see, it's a difference when you're like to help. As a music genre, most people, a lot of, you ask a lot of people, who's their favorite singer? A lot of people that say Luther Vandros. Damn near all his shit was written by someone else. I did learn that. You see what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he still was one of the greatest vocalists, you know? So, because we talk about the music genre. Now, when we talk about hip hop on the street level, yeah, it's like, you know, me and you and you're battling at a party and someone else's writing for you, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah, yeah, you just suck MC, you know, or you, you're saying the rhyme I heard him say two weeks ago, he's a biting MC, you know what I'm saying? But it's like now it's a hip-hop as a genre, so it's different.

You look at it differently now, you know? Yeah. Man, that's real, though. Now, you got to give me some of your favorite Juice Crew stories, because that's a, that's a hell of a crew. Oh, man. I mean, Juice Crew, I, there's so many moments, you know, watching when Mr. Magic get high.

When Magic get high, he's the funniest person on the planet. Because, I mean, yeah, he cursed everybody out, you know, F you, you're not down no more. Yeah, he was a, yeah. He was one of the funniest dudes on the planet. And then, you know, biz, you know, rest in peace, man. Nobody beats the big. Y'all, y'all worked with him before, right?

Yeah, most definitely. So, you know, it's like, it's like, there's the type of dude where, you know, you look in at, you know, his features and you just see an easy win till he starts snapping. Right. And then you see you in for a long night.

Right, right. Because he got jokes out, he got jokes for Lord. Yeah, most definitely. Yeah, you know, you look at biz. You'd be like, oh yeah, I'm gonna tear his ugly ass up. And guess what? He on you. He tear you up.

Tear you out to frame. Man, Biz came and do while and now, and he did, like, he stayed like the whole week. He did, like, all the episodes. Because, you know, him and Nick were real cool. You know, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for biz. Like, real talk, man. Word. Yeah.

Like, yeah, I started rapping in 82, and I should go around everywhere, you know, battling everybody. Couldn't get a record deal, sent in demos, even met with, I think it was, NEA records, you know, everything to try to get a deal, couldn't get on. And then I ended up meeting this dude that my man had been bragging about for the longest.

I was sick of him telling me about him. He told me he was across the street. I go and meet Biz, ask him for a battle. After the battle, he was like, yo, you dope. You need to get down with me, man. I do a lot of shows in Harlem, Bronx. If you get down with me, I promise you one day, I'm gonna get a record deal.

And as soon as he got on, he put me down and got me a record deal. What? What was your reaction to that verse on Vapas when he told the Big Daddy Caney story? I wrote it. Yeah, of course. But I'm saying that, I know you wrote it, but the way he delivered that shit, it was so, you know, colorful and visual. Well, that, you know, because it's like I kind of, that one I kind of did in my style a little bit.

I had some of his elements in there, but that was kind of, like, nobody beats the biz would probably be my favorite. That shit is so cool right. Because that's biz, you understand me? Yeah. Like, that's biz, like, saying, yo, I want it to be like, azooka, zook, zook, zook, zik, zia. Now, that's what the fuck I got to go off.

You know what I'm saying? But, I mean, you know, we got, you know, you know me as a B, I Z, I mean, y'all, y'all, I go for what I know, do on the show. It's like, but it's like, this is all biz style. This is all. Like, you know, I just want this study step there. I want to do that's what he's giving me. See what I'm saying? So I just like that was, yeah, that's all. Just mumbling shit. No real words. No real words. So he gave you just, okay, that's what he's telling me. Right. And now he's like, yeah. And he's like, and then, you know, I'm on my arm, half swan, sing to nobody beast a whiz, but say nobody beats the biz.

you know and it was like you know like that like that one I think was the most amazing and then picking boogers you know like stuff where I know that I would never ever do for myself he taking me out of my comfort zone you know to put something together for him that I know I would never write this song called picking buggins right but you know yeah so you you pinning all this dope-ass shit like what was your proudest moment as a writer like some shit you helped create um I think my proudest moment may have came after have a nice day with Shantay. Because, you know, me and K.R.S. was boys. You know, we was tight.

And, you know, they wanted something on there taking shots at them. And, you know, I wrote the song for Shantay. And then I talked to Chris, and I'm like, yo, just let you know. you know, I wrote this joint for Chatee, and, um, you know, I took some jabs at you and Scott. And he like, you know. I'll tell you, but, hey, man. But no. I just wrote some cold-ass shit.

I brought you here first. But soon as he, no, I didn't play it for him. I didn't play it for him. I just gave him the heads up. But when he heard it, you know, he reached out and was laughing. He like, yo, man, you know, the KRS, that was my graph name. But I'm sitting here listening to this side. I'm like damn it does sound like a whack radio station and he's laughing you know he's

laughing about the shit you know I mean that's my dude you know what I mean he said he was laughing about you like that was I was like okay this was canvas approved okay so we still cool that's hard yeah we got to have us we got to have us I never had no beeper about it like and you think they're just probably because you reached out like that too yeah yeah but I mean you know you know you got understand you know while in the midst of all this here are juice crew BDP stuff that's going on with him and Shan, you know, this dude and his wife at the time, his melody, best in peace, they helped me move out of my mother's crib, you know, into my first

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Like, you said you battle biz. Yeah, yeah. My man used to tell me about him all the time, a Long Island dude that was dating my cousin all the time. That's all I'm hearing. Oh, you got to hear my man, Bizmarking. I was a sick of him telling you about this dude man and one day he just said he crossed the street you know yeah all right I got to ask you this because you know

I love some old school cars and shit like that man who has some of the coldest cars back in the day well I mean first I got to go with Eric B because I mean you know Eric had a rose back then in 88 damn damn yeah Eric had a Rose Royce in 88 what's lick river riding in I don't know I don't know. I don't know. I don't know where Slick had. I know the other.

But you know Eric B had that goddamn wrong. Yeah. I mean, this is a time of like, you know, where, you know, you're boiling hard in a 300 Mercedes. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's the Mike Tyson Tyson. Yeah. And it was just foreign.

You know, for us down south, anything foreign around in the 80s. Oh, you're doing something now. But nah, but you got to stare. Cats was cop and Benz's. Benz's, BMs, they had to sobs and outies and all this dude pulled up in a rose in 88. Yeah. Great Bupon shit. Yeah, yeah, you did in a real kind of way.

I got to ask you this, because, you know, people may forget what you did do the, you did the, uh, the rapper, actor transition. Start doing some movies and shit. Mm-hmm. Did the posse movie. Oh, man. Cope classic, man. What was it like working on that shit? Oh, man.

Great, because it was like I wanted people to take me serious and not, you know, look on the screen and see Big Daddy came. So it's like when Mario is explaining it to me, he's like, you know, you're a gambler from New Orleans, they migrated West, and you're all about the money. You don't really care about none of us, but then you get an attachment to such or such or such on Little Jay, and you start really having respect and love for the policy. So he's explaining the role. I'm like, okay.

So, you know, learning how to ride a horse. I got thrown about three times, but I finally figured it out. And, you know, I'm, you know, riding horses. And then, like, since he said New Orleans, I knew I didn't have to worry about having a Western accent. So I just went to, you know, spent like two weeks with my family down and on Bowman, South Carolina.

You know, because, you know, that's where you hear that. Where your name is? So I'm down there, you know, just studying the language and trying to get that southern slang down. You know, a lot of people, I think they, you know, they enjoyed the role, you know. And that's what all, I just wanted them to see me other than Kay. No, that was definitely, you know, a cowboy. You know, you're going from a rapper to a cowboy, that's crazy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a big meet. Well, I mean, what shit? I mean, MoDee did it in Wild West, why not me, man, you know? Yeah, yeah. You was in the first black superhero movie, too, wasn't? Oh, yeah, media man, Robert Town. Come on, man.

Yeah, man. Yeah, man. He's trying to give you credit, man. That's the first black superhero movie we had that I can think of. Yeah, I just get nervous talking about stuff like that about people like him because I had that blonde hair. I don't know with his conversation. We were out with it. Hey, he was a band.

We rocked with it. We were talking about that shit a couple weeks ago. That was one of the ones, though, man. Yeah. Appreciate you. Hell of a good career, man. Yeah. So do you like, like he asked earlier, are you, are you into any of the new school hip hop or

shit like that? Are you still involved with the music at all? You still, you still get the urge to write a dope rhyme from time to time. Oh yeah. Yeah, now, I'm tired of time. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's like I, with music, I love to see it evolve. You know, I feel like after my heyday, what happened with Nas, Biggie, Jay-Z, you know, it's beautiful. They always show you a lot of love too. Yeah, no, yeah, that's beautiful. What happened with Jada Kiss, Eminem, Ludacris, T.I. You know, I felt like, you know, beautiful.

You know, so I love watching it evolve. Now it has a different dynamic to it, but you still have those lyrical cats, like J. Cole, Kendrick, Conway, Benny the Butcher, And now you've got the new ones, oh, I'm like, there's some amazing sisters out there, Lady London, Sabah the Goddess. Ah, man, I can't think of this other young lady name, but she's a piece, too. I mean, Kaya Baby, there's, there's, it's, you know, so I'm always watching to see how it evolves. You know, it's just that I have to search harder now.

Yeah, yeah. You know, because it's not, you know, getting, the real lyrics just don't get mainstream radio. So I have to search from, but I don't have a problem with you, because that's how it was, you know, when we came out, a lot of us wasn't getting radio play. So you had to search, you know, you'd hear a L.L. record, a Big Daddy Kane record, you know, but you had to search to find a king's son. You had to, you know, certain lyrical emcees. But there's a certain point when you heard rap, and you were like, this shit ain't hit, what they're doing with it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. But I mean, at the same time I'm saying, this ain't it, I understand, like, you know, when rapist delight dropped, how a lot of people felt about rap, period, you know, coming from, you know, all they hear's R&B.

So they're like, y'all ain't doing them but talking. That ain't even your record. Y'all stole that from Sheik. That's good times, you know. You should have been happening from the beginning. No, it's, yeah, it's like, you know, you hear something new and something different. Hate on. Yeah, you know, so it's like when I hear something, it's like, you know, I just simply say, you know, well, shit, I'm 55, man, this ain't for me.

You know, this for the young cats. Let them enjoy it. That's their thing. But you can tell that, you know, the music back of the day had so much substance that the music that only really go crazy the day is the one that they redo. They have to remake music. Like, they still remaking music to this day. Well, I mean, you know, hip-hop kind of found it on that almost, a little bit with the sample shit. Yeah, for a show.

You think? Well, you know, you run out of fresh ideas. Right. You start remaking stuff. But I will say this, to add on to what you said, my MC hero, Grandmaster Kaz, is a statement he made a few years ago, and now I hear a whole lot of people saying it. He said that hip hop didn't invent anything. it reinvented everything. That's all right.

You know, so. I wanted to ask you this, right? When did, because you were rapping in the early stages of, you know, development of rap, when did it go from, for you? When did it go from like the, you know, like the Boombap style of the late 70s, early 80s, until, you know, the Big Daddy came where you flipping words and rapping fast as shit and, you know what I mean? Stretching the syllables and all this. You made this, the year before, like, I don't know, bro. Your shit was effortless. And it just sounded like...

And you just run through that shit and just go back to that, you know what I mean? Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, I think that, like I was saying, the 77, when Melly Mel made it lyrical, that's when now all these MCs got to step their game up. You know, the stuff that, you know, DJ Hollywood, Lovebugs, Starsky, and them cast was doing. You know, you got to be lyrical now. It's not just about party and stuff in calling response. You have to be lyrical.

And that's when, you know, you saw the, like, the grandma's... Caz, Kumo D, there was another brother by the name of DLB, Tito from The Failureless Four. You started seeing MC's becoming more lyrical, you know. But by time Run DMC came out a few years later, I think the stuff started, you know, going more into a party phase, you know? And then you had, like, I think, like, Roxanne Chate's, Roxanne Chantay, um, salt and pepper. And it's, it's, oh, Dougie Fresh in the show.

Most definitely. I think that, the show might have been the one that really, really took it to that party. You know, like, this is what we're looking for some party stuff. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because the show, that was like a party jam,

you know? But then, then, 86, I believe. That's one, I think that's when Rock. Kim came out and then KRS and then right after that was me and all three of us you know like it was just little oh I'm sorry Rakem KRS Kooji rap and then me yeah yeah yeah so y'all like the Mount Rushmore of the of the style switch of that ever yeah I could go with that I wouldn't argue that I could go with that that's for right yeah the hell of a movie

Yeah, that's hard. That's real. Had a hell of them. Yeah, shit, I got to get me a statue built now. That shit hard. Hey, you know we'd be having so many artists and stuff. Somebody, come on. I mean, every era has their Mount Rush. Matter of fact, I'm curious, like, for you, who would be your mouth Rushmore?

That's good. Like, my top, like, just all around? No. Today? From your generation. For my generation? I gotta say Tupup. Nah.

Bone doesn't harm me as a whole. Okay. That's a lot of hair. No, no, we put some more hair, go, good, good, good, good. One more. Pimsy. Pimsy, okay, yeah, see. You know, that's the beautiful thing about hip hop, man.

It's like you can get into this and gravitate to certain artists for so many different reasons. Yeah, most different. You know? So many different reasons. I just missed back when it was, when you knew, when you heard somebody like, you knew where they were from. I missed that. Like, we knew y'all was from up top. We knew they were from over here.

Like, you know, it ain't like that no more. It just sounds just one, one sound. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I agree with you. That's why, like, like, West Side Gunn, like, Grisel and, like, you were talking about, like, they got that old New York field that, you know what I like that. Yeah, and they're buffalo, right? I want to hear that control over there. Yeah, that New York shit.

Like, I like that. Yeah. Your music, all ways. People in the South are always listening to your music, always listen to New Fuck with Big Daddy came, man. When you were touring this shit, did you come to the South like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to love doing shows, you know, in Atlanta, Mobile. You did a freaknik?

You didn't do a freaknik. Nah, no, no, no. He did his own freaking knick. Yeah, he was having that shit in 88. You know I'm about to ask you about the Madonna shit. You know I'm about to ask you that. I want to know from you. I got to hear from you.

This is one of my childhood dreams come to life. What happens? Who about that you want to ask? Take her on the top. Yeah, it's the movie. Where you mean that? How did this happen? Who was all over there?

Nah. Warner Brothers has sent us on a promotional tour. It was myself, Madonna, and Color Me Bad. And, you know, we was visiting a lot of upper-class white hospitals, you know. And, you know, the kids that was in there, the kids in intensive care, whatever, they didn't really know who I was. You know who Madonna was, calling me bad, but they know it. And like, Madonna was like, and this is Big Daddy game.

You know, he's a famous rap. Let me hear you say, ain't, no. And I'm just sitting there. like oh wow madonna know my shit wow that's crazy and then afterwards she said that she was doing a book she was like well I'm working on this book I would you know like you'd be in it I would be I would be on it and she was like well you know it's gonna be nude photos and I was like well shit even better and you know we did it and you know I flew down to Miami and we took a bunch of photos me her and I'm Naomi Campbell and yeah

I have some listeners. Yeah. Me, her and they on the camera. We were chilling. They're having sandwiches. Take a picture. Nah, but yeah, it was all. It was just a photo shoot, though.

That's all. There's nothing really extra to tell, man. Shit, that's enough. What's some of the tour, man? Like, what you remember from just touring, like when you first set out there, when you kind of knew you was up? Because touring before you know you got it,

locked in, is different than, you know. It's different than hitting that road once you know, okay, no, I'm here to stay. It's fun. You know, I mean, the tour bus life, especially, you know, you're young and whatnot, that tour bus life is a lot of fun. And then just the energy, because it's like, you know, I'm an artist, you're an artist, you're an artist, you're an artist, you know, we gravity, you know, we probably shooting dice getting drunk every night, right?

But, you know, when it's time to hit that stage, though, shit. Yeah, we're going to do. You know, we ain't cool right now. You know, I got to happen. Huh? It was competitive like that. Man, listen, let me tell you something. Eric B. could be at my house Thursday night and we'll be sitting there in the back room looking at our parents. My father and Eric B. father, these dirty-ass old man, they out there on the couch When my pops is looking up the stairs, making sure my mom's ain't coming down, telling Eric Pop's guthead. He ordering Uncle Luke videos on video jukebox so he can see some booty shake videos and shit there. And me and Eric sitting there laughing at them, crying laughing at these dudes, right?

Friday night come. We got a show somewhere in Providence, Rhode Island, wherever. Eric, a smooth walk past my ass like he don't see me. Now, we just was together last night because we're in that zone. It's your time. have it ever could smooth walk past me like you don't see me with his head up you know but that's that real hip-hop shit though you know what i'm saying yeah man this is this clip of you rapping on stage and the fucking mic go out then that shit popped back on and you just keep

rapping that's in the crowd went crazy oh well you know that's something that honestly that's something we used to do every night but that's you know before internet so nobody knew it was like a surprise everybody in every state that we went to but then you know once i seen the shit pop up on YouTube, I was like, well, we got retired at. You know, yeah, you ain't got to retire. People still be going to see that shit, because that's shit. So you planned, you had been doing this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I mean, it was like no one knew because, you know, there wasn't no social media, wasn't no, you know, nobody was really on the internet like that, you know. It's hard. It's hard, man. Welcome back to the 85 South Show. None other big day came. This is just, this is beyond me right now, J-O-N.

This shit is crazy. This is unbelievable, man. You got to give me one of your favorite biz, Marquis, stories. I just watched you on the documentary. And a great life is a great dude full of energy and love and light, man. So you got to give me one of your favorite best stories. Uh, uh, uh, I just told what, like, like, like, There's so many, but I think probably my favorite one was one night we did a show.

I don't know where it's Latin Quarter, it's inspired New York. Anyway, though, we did a show, and we got some girls in the limbo. This is Beepa Day, Sky Pages. That's something weird. You know the beeper here? I know a lot of the beeper. Okay, okay. I'm just trying to keep you with us, play.

Nah, his beeper went off. He looks at his beeper, and he's like, Luther. And the girls, and I'm looking at this dude like, man, don't do this, man. But the girls, they over there, like, Biz, you know Luther Vandros? Yeah, man, he want me to beatbox for him at the garden, but I don't feel like it.

I told him, I just let him hold him out of my ducy ropes. and I'm just sitting there. They believe this shit, man. You put it all our motherfuckers. Yo, they believe this shit. Like, feel for it, yeah. You wouldn't, none of y'all wouldn't believe nothing like that

if he would have said that in front of you, right? Right, yeah. But you, no, man, come on. I'm not believing it, no, I'm not believing it, but I'm saying, maybe I can see some girls going for it. Yeah, they, they was excited. They was excited. I'm just sitting there, like.

He probably didn't win and beeped his damn. himself and came back. No, no, no, no. Someone beeped him, but it wasn't a goddamn Luther Vandross, you know. You know, I'm used to biz tall tales, you know what I'm saying? But I'm, this is one of the nights when I'm like, yo, you tell him one, we're going going to get no ass at the end of the night. Trying to convince him that we know Luther Vandros, man, you know.

It went too big. Yeah, yeah. Every time the big one, oh, Hemmer, come home. Damn, Luther. But that might have been, look, back then you couldn't Google nothing. You knew what I would live. Yeah, you couldn't Google it. How you really gonna look it up?

You know what I'm saying? Like, man, hey. Okay, listen. See, right now, you're used to seeing Rihanna standing next to Jay-Z and stuff like that. No, no. Not in my element, is it? Oh, you're saying, Neil fucking, no, man.

Nah, me and Luther wouldn't be in the same. Me and Luther wouldn't be in the same. Me and Luther wasn't in the same room until I made the song with Patty LaBelle, man. Yeah, yeah. We had to connect with Patty. Right. You know what I was working for Patty. No.

You're dead-ass serious, though, yeah. Damn. Yeah. We both was Patty's plus one. Yeah, me and Ruto. She's a nice lady. She's amazing, man. She's amazing.

Have you ever had a Patty Pat? Nah, I don't eat sweets. But she did. The day I laid my vocals, she cooked some vegetarian collard greens, mac and cheese, and some fried fish for me. I brought it to the studio. I heard that's legendary patty in the bell meal. Oh, she's a beast in the kitchen. Yeah, she's a beast in the kitchen.

And, like, when he's on tour together, like, I've seen her do stuff where, like, you know, she'd get up in first class and going there fucking with the flight attendants. You're like, no, I need to put a little hot sauce out of a person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's about when you can smoke a cigarette on the plane. Nah. You know what? You might owe me that one. You might, I didn't took two cheap jazz, so you might owe me that one.

You might owe me that one. That's crazy, man. It's the legendary pitchers that come up on Throwback Thursday. You're getting a haircut, man. Your shit was always tight. Who was your barber back in the day? First, it was my man smooth. And then, like, once we started,

probably from out of White Coff projects, we went to high school together for a brief moment, but, you know, my dude's move. And then, like, once we started going on the road, school with my dancer, he was nice with the clubbers, too, so then ended up being him. White Coff, that's Queens?

Brooklyn. Brooklyn, okay. That's crazy. You knew Biggie person? No, I mean, I met Biggie. And the brother that was my, there used to be my DJ and the discovered Biggie, DJ, Mr. C, he put us on the phone like twice. Like, we talked on the phone twice.

But, I mean, I didn't like, we didn't really have a relationship. His relationship was with Mr. C. But phenomenal MC, man. Yeah, phenomenal MC. Speaking of it, did you ever think the hip-hop would take it this far? Absolutely. I mean it's like just watching the way people was bashing it you know in the beginning it was like the remnants of rock and roll it's the same thing they said

by rock and roll in the 50s and you saw what happened with that so it was like I kind of saw it the same way you know like okay something new and revolutionary is coming through that an older generation don't understand it's gonna stick And it's going to be powerful. It's the only genre that changes. I don't feel like no other genre changes. When you say changes, what do you mean? It's like the agenda they're pushing the day.

Like you really won't be nobody if you're not talking about killing some stupid shit like that. Like it's to the point when you've got eight-year-old kids rapping talking about killing. Like clearly that's a different. Well, I mean, you know, with rock and roll, you know, with, you know, with, you know, with, Chuck Berry and Little Richard Nelves President, it started on some party stuff. And then, you know, it went into, like, psychedelic phase, you know, talking about a lot of drugs and stuff.

And then it went into anti-war. And then it went into heavy metal. So, I mean, rock and road did a whole lot of changes too, you know, you know. And that psychedelic phase was about a lot of drugs, you know. That would wrap the end of the day. They just went through it. They still, but they're going to opioid phase now.

I don't know. It's shit crazy. Future talk about smoking crack. I don't know if we ever going to have a rapper that can successfully pull off that one. Smoked crack. Smoking crack. We didn't have them. Future can do it.

We didn't have them. That just was openly smoking crack. Not openly. I'm going to sit this one out. Hell no. That ain't gonna happen. I hope not anyway. Let that shit go.

Drug rap, though. Well, you know, they got a lot of different genres of rap right now with, you know, they got pussy rap now. Did you ever think that you would see a whole genre of pussy rap? Nah, nah. You know, I mean.

That ain't for my ear. I think there's a time and a place for everything, you know, um, like before hip hop. You know, like we had parents that would sit in front of us, clean the house, playing Ozley brothers, the OJ's. And then when we go to bed, they throw on Millie Jackson. She's singing, but cursing her ass on, you know? Most definitely.

And then when we're not there, they might throw some dolomite on, you know? Dolomite made music? Party records? Like Dolomite? You're talking about Dolomite? Yeah. That's why he's here. That's why he's here.

He needs to be. He made what? He made what? Doleby. You're talking about Dolomite? Well, put a candle on my ass and call me a birthday cake. I'd be damn. I just be damn.

Nah, y'all, he made party records. But yeah, he did try to sing too. I try to sing too, but I mean, he mainly party records, but I mean, you know, it was like all this stuff exists, you know, you know. I just think that the difference is, like I said, that's what our parents played when we was in, I went to bed or when we wasn't home. You know, um. So it's the parents got to have some discretion.

Whoa, radio too. Yeah. Radio too. Radio got a job to do. They got to play what they took. Somebody telling them what they do. what they do. I don't think they get to take the music anymore. Well, I mean, I'm not talking about the on-air job.

I'm talking about, you know, who was running a radio station. You know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, you know, yeah, because I mean, shit, that's I was with us. You had to make, we had to make a clean version. Yeah. If you had some gangster stuff or some section of stuff, you had to make a clean version where you're not cursing. You know what I'm saying? You're shooting the video you got a picture of weed or guns on your shirt now you got to take that shit off get that out of that like my smooth operator video um you see chris rock in there you see i'll be sure in there but they completely cut kadeem hardison out because i was on warner brothers and he had on a t-shirt

they said batman sucks and that was a warner brother's movie damn yeah he ain't like bad man no You got to ask the damn. That's like, he did that to himself. Yeah. And we're talking about the Michael Keaton bat. Yeah. Not the new one. Not the Bruce Wayne.

It's still. No, it's still Bruce Wayne, but not with the, whoever is Christian Bell, who was playing him now. There was a guy named Michael Keaton. Okay. That's how you know he's lying about his age. He's not about it that. He knows some old shit. Man, you had some of those.

You know some old shit. He knows some old shit. Now you had some of the coldest jewelry, too, man. Where used to get the jurors and shit from? First of was... Did you keep in that shit? Nah. What in the competition with the jury?

Most definitely. Probably. But y'all had that shit, I don't know. Like, I felt like... Yeah, like... But see, I got to a point where it was irritating me, you know? Because, like, you know, with the dancing. I come off stage, I got to knicks and scratches from where them busts me in my face and stuff, yeah.

So I didn't, you know, yeah, he got to a point where it was like, yeah. Take some of this shit out. Yeah. Who had the coldest jury game where you were like? Slick wreck, slick wreck, yeah. Slick wreck, yeah. Buster after him bust the ride. Buster should be chomped up.

Yeah, his necklace was dumb. Yeah, Buster be having a buster or ghost face there. face there, they be, they be happy with the Wonder Woman cuff with the eagle on it. Come on, man. I don't know how that'd make it moved around with that, but it's staying. Yeah, see, once it started getting uncomfortable, I wasn't really thinking about it no more. You know, it was like, I can't move around and function in this shit, man. Yeah, how many times you said you got bunch of the brain about that thing?

Every night. Every night, I have a new stretch on me. You stuck it out. That shit just iconic, though, man. Call the shit. Yeah. Hell yeah. You were close to Slick to them?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in his first video, Teenage Love. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Slick Rick, um, very unique rapper with an amazing voice, you know? I mean, yeah, he, I guess he was, um, hip-hop version of the Beatles, you know, that, that, that European, yeah, voice to just, you know, that, that, that European, yeah, voice to just, you know, took America by storm, you know, because I mean, back then there was a whole lot of rappers that tried to use that European accent to come out with records, you know. After slick,

Rick? After slick Rick, yeah, yeah. Oh, man, stop. We got to find that shit. Yeah. All the field rappers who didn't do it with the accent. Polly, dolly. Polly, Wally. Polly. Polly. Wally. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hey, mate, slick Richard, yeah? Slippery Richard. Yeah, no, Rick, Rick, Rick took the world by storm, man. I mean, it was like he was already a dope emcee, but that voice, though, just, you know, took it to a whole other level, man.

Yeah, because you like, it's almost like y'all at the opposite in, you got the deep, smooth shit. My voice was much higher then. My voice, like, I think when I turn 20, my voice changed. That's when they dropped. Yeah, yeah. But Slick Rick was always a little high reg. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, he had a different vocabulary. Yeah. You know? Yeah. You know. He got a British son.

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No, but I mean, his British slang was different than American slang. You know, um, where we white. say, you know, trash, Rick call you crumbs, you know. He does crumbs at the end of the song. That's what they're saying, bro. We say, we're going to destroy, you know, whatever. He would say, I'm going to conquer you. You know, so it was like, he was just so unique.

His shit was, like, just so unique and different, man, yeah. King, Asiatic, nobody's equal. Yes, sir. How did you come over with that? Um, with five percent, you know, deal with the five percent nation. You know, that was the attribute. I chose, you know. Well, I mean, really, it was just King Asiatic. But in the rhyme, I said nobody's equal. And then from that point, everybody just kept saying it. So, yeah, I just, you

know, but it's really just King Asiatic. But then, you know, when I broke down Kane, I said King Asiatic, nobody's equal. You broke it down like that, or just came out like that? I broke it down like that. Name Kane is superior to many people. It means King Asiatic, nobody's equal. Yeah. recording that symphony symphony man amazing amazing because um i um i um i recorded raw and the night i recorded raw me and g rap just did a freestyle of it and molly started playing it on the air and people started requesting it so molly said yo i want y'all to do this again but on my album so it was like okay cool so me and g rap was gonna do a song on molly album

Down the line, Marley is like, yo, I told Craig that y'all going to do something, and Craig said he want to be on it too. And Craig had just came out with a song called Duck Alert. And I heard, you know, how he had elevated it with his lyrical skills and everything. He sounded so different and, you know, killing it. I was like, yeah, I'm like, I love how Craig sounded right now. That's cool. And then we took the pitches for the album cover. and we went back to Marley House, I was like, let's do the song.

And then Marley says, well, this is my new artist, Master Ace, you know, and I'm going to put him on the song, too. And like, Ace had these big ass Woody Allen glasses on, right? And I was, went to the corner, and I went to G-Rap, and I'm like, yo, I ain't fucking with glasses, man, I'm out. I'm going to say I'm going to get some pizza and then I'm bouncing. And G-Rap, motherfucker, you ain't leaving me? out too. So we were talking about them. They started talking about who's going to go first

and who going to go last. They started that conversation. And we like, we're getting a fight here. And then Ace just says, you know, he'll go or whatever, you know. And Ace went. And we heard him and I'll back on the G-Bap. I'm like, your class is nice as fuck, man. I like this dude, you know, you know. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then we stayed and we made the song The rest was history. Yeah. That shit, literally. It is history though.

Yeah. He had to go in there. He probably felt it too. Like, let me just go in here and rip this shit so these niggas believe in me. The ace body that shit, man. Ace, let me tell you something by Ace. Ace mindset, way of thinking, his vision. I wish he would have got down with the juice crew.

back in 86 when I first started running one. I wish age would have got down then. I think that if Ace would have got down then, the Juice Crew would have probably lasted another 10 years. Because his mindset wasn't on just

Ace being a celebrity. His mindset was on Juice Crew as a whole. He was thinking, you know, like, you know, what we could do together, who could pay up with, like his mindset was somewhere else. Like, you know, he was thinking like a record company executive, you know, yeah. Man, what was your first response when you saw young ass Roxanne, Shantay, rocking the mic like that? It's like, I'm hearing these songs.

And then Biz tells me he's going to power play to record a song with Shantay. I'm like, shit, I want to come, I want to see. And we get there. And he's beatboxing, and she's, you know, I'm trying to tell you, and the rap, so she's rhyming. And Fly Tide to do the owner label, he stopped her about something, told her she didn't do this or something. I don't know what it was, to it again. So she goes again. I'm like, okay, am I tripping, or is that something different?

They stop her again. told her go again and now I'm like nah I ain't tripping these ain't the same rhymes I'm like every take she's saying something different so I lean over the biz I'm like yo

she's not going to say the shit she would say the first shant didn't write no rhymes all that shit's off the head I'm like everything he's like everything I'm like what about the other fucking records like Roxanne's intervention you know

everything I'm sitting there blowing away now like oh shit so she's just going in the studio just off the dome just you know nothing is written he's like I'm like oh shit like I was blown away like you know like you know all these songs that we've been listening to all this time she just going in freestyle yeah man so rapper's been not right but that was I said rapper's been not writing but like she really freestyle in that shit that's crazy oh to know about the

you know but I mean her yeah yeah that's why yeah yeah matter of fact the to have a nice day joint that I wrote for her is her first written song all the other hits was her just off the dawn and so they're rapping that bit she just wrapped that shit start to finish start to finish and if if she fucked up should just start with a whole new round oh but just it's cold they're We got a punch-in gang back then. No punch, I know they couldn't. They couldn't.

Well, I mean, it's like punch in for what? She don't remember what the fuck she just said a minute ago. Right. So she just go again from the time. Right. Yeah. Yeah, Shanty. That's hard.

Yeah, Shanty is a beast, man. Shanty is a beast. I ain't heard that before. That's real. That's crazy. Let me tell you somebody I've seen about Shantay. This girl, I don't know, 15, 16, something like that, walking into a room.

and you see grown-ass men. Don't want no smoke with her. Like grown-ass men, just get up, walk out, because you never know what she gonna do. Right. You know, if she pop off and decided, no, we're gonna battle right now. You know?

That's crazy. I never had a battle that you were like, fuck me up, did you ever have a battle where you like, he fucked me up? No. No, hell no. Man, you've been in all over the world. I saw a clip of you performing in Russia.

Yeah, you're doing it over there, man. Stinking. The Russian is fucked with you the long way over there, man. No, I was over there stinking, because we got there two days late. We got there the actual day of the show. And I had been on different flights from America to London, from London to Moscow, Moscow to Petersburg. So we just getting there and got to go straight to the venue and perform. So two days straight, same drawers, kept it to myself.

So, yeah, that's what I was doing. What's your favorite spot internationally, though? internationally either London or Amsterdam okay like the energy is so crazy over there and then also they they so they so deep into the history like all the or all the all the all the all the all the B-sides out you know album cuts they know they want to hear all that shit not just the whole album yeah yeah they want to hear all and they're going to sing it with you.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. And they studied. Like everything on the back of that album cover, whatever little hip hop facts, whatever, they know that like homework, man. And they got questions. Yeah, yeah.

Like, yeah. This would be the perfect time to bring my boy up in here. And I was watching the documentary the other night about biz. He was a hell of a collector. So I feel like I got to introduce you to my partner that's a hell of a collector, to the hip-hop historian, none other than New Face. He got all the shit. New Face.

Right. And I know he got some kid at Kane questions. Yeah. Yeah. What's on, baby? Yeah. What you bring tonight, Larry? And recently this year, man, I've probably seen Kane about four times this year.

I just seen you on the Rock the Bell's boat. We're just on that Rock the Bell's boat. Man, you killed it gave those people on that boat. boat a phenomenal show and you was like your leg hurt but i'm gonna give you my my leg was killing man what the crazy dude ran on stage oh yeah they oh you're talking about um was it london yeah yeah yeah so what we got here is you know he talks about this gentleman right here that's cane right there i would love for you to autograph this but you know inside there we got the album there as well yeah you're talking about here

on the inside? On the label? On the label? No, I mean, on the front label or the back? Okay. Look at that. Top-notch fine lady. And you got your car.

Oh, the MTV joints, yeah. This brother's tape right there. You got two of these right there because you wrote songs on there. He brought it. brought it I mean I knew you had that shit you talked about the infamous one of my favorite haircuts photo you got it talking about this one right there that's it right there we got it side yeah oh yeah yeah and then the infamous album covers so you talk about the juice

yeah that's the day that's the day we recorded the symphony word yeah we took the pictures for mollie's album cover and then left it went to his crib and when they say glass His glasses is cold, he's talking about to do it. No, show him the glasses. The glass is big as hair. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. They got them big ass Bobby Woon-makers. They got them big ass Bobby Woon-Make glasses on.

And we've got another good shows. The album covers as well, set for them. Your dances on the side as well. Oh, yeah. Man, what made you go with the full finger gold rings? of gold rings that's some that's some hard shit oh you know you know the old brass knuckles look then you're actually featured in this book um if you made with l l couche the streets win i heard about it i haven't seen the i remember i have a copy

they have this photo up there wow a big daddy came as well wow and the jeanette beckman joint My favorite album cover, this is the brother right here. On Rolling Stones, top 50 hip-hop songs of all time, they registered this as number 25. Hey. What's the story behind that one? Behind that? There ain't no half-step.

Interesting. I went to Cool V House. That's Biz DJ. And Biz had a bag of 45s on the floor. So we're looking through them And I found that blind alley beat from the emotions I'm like you know You know Vee

And he's like yo you know that's biz shit man I'm like come on it's just vibe on it So he um looped it up Like the mix of it used to loop I mean sample He looped it up and I'm rhyming I'm like yeah I got to touch this And I'm writing to it

And then Biz calls the house screaming, losing his mind I found it, I found it, I finally found it I'm telling you, we're going platinum now, we're going, I'm going to you know, I found it, I found the record I was looking for, and I'm like

the, he's like, yes, man. He's like, I'm telling you, I'm going platinum. I was like, so then that means you probably don't even really care about this Blind Allie record from him. You can hear that shit, man. Like, my man, and he gave me,

Biz gave me the beat for A&Han half-stepping. And the beat that he had been looking for for about almost two years that he finally found was the, you got what I need. Just a friend. That was a man. Yeah. Now, he had been saying that, listen,

he had been saying that he, when he find this, I guarantee I'm going platinum. So wait a minute, he was really looking for the physical record. Freddie Scott, you got what I need. So he knew the song from, like, radio and shit. Yeah, I think he said he saw it, Bambaugh the house or something. I can't remember who he said, but he'd been looking for it, but he couldn't, didn't know the name. So when he came back to the house and he's playing it, I'm like, because I remember him going to record stores.

Look when he was like, yo, it's this song, it got, and the melody is like, no, no, no. And I'm like, yo, this, this, you would be sitting there singing, you know, nah, and like. And then Coofee just started laughing and it's like, you know his dumb ass forgot how he'd go. So for years he was singing it wrong, that's why he couldn't find it. Damn, so how did he eventually find it? I don't know, I don't know.

Me and Vee was together, he was by itself, so I don't know how he found it. That's crazy. He stumbled upon that. He takes shit for granted, bro. That's crazy. Yeah, but I mean, he said when he find it, he's going platinum, and I'd be damn if he is.

Like you said, he gave you this record. What was the process in getting a record though? You know what I'm saying? Like generally. Or did you just be at the crib and be like, bro, I'm fucking with that, I can have that? Well, back then at that point in time period, you take it to Mali crib, tell them what part,

you know, loop this part up here, boom, boom, boom. You know, I put this on, and then we, you know, go in the booth and lay a vote. That's crazy. Most recently, Nas honored Scarface and Raq Kim awarded them, funded them $250,000, honored them. Were you aware of that? Yeah, yeah.

I thought that was beautiful. So if they asked Kane, next year, we want to do that same thing with four MCs. Who would you pick the person? If they asked you, would you pick the next year's honorary to be? Melly Mel, Grandmaster, Kaz, Um, Coomodee, and, uh, DJ Hollywood. I want to ask this for my own personal record.

I call Newface all the time and we talk hip hop, man. Give me five old school hip hop songs to listen to. Little known, your favorites, whatever the fuck. Just give me five. Coogeyrap, Poison. Okay. Keep this list, new face. Yeah, kujerat poison.

Divine Force, Holy War. Okay. That's where Ghost got that party, party. Look, get that bar. Okay. Yeah. Divine Force, Holy War. Chub Rock, caught up.

Okay. world used to go crazy just two of us that was my shit yeah no that caught up though like I like so the tape pop yeah oh yeah I don't know how many cassette tapes are pop listening to court up word his voice too he was another with a dark voice like I love like your voice guru had another voice jaded his freeway like those are like the best of season that had a distinct voice like and I always help the record emcy like 10% this okay Yeah, MC Light 10% is. And, oh, Grandmaster Caz, get down Grandmaster.

Okay. When he did a solo song. Yeah. You got to. No about all that. I thought he gonna say some shit ain't heard yet. No, that's a good list, man. I'm gonna check them all.

Yeah. Most definitely. Your verse, man, I mean, I've seen somebody after rock the bells, both bring it up man with big hell you know how was it how did that come about and maybe you can just let them know you know speak that verse but how did that come about reaching out you know that being a part of that song with big girl um i was at my lawyer's office and he was on the phone um um with um primo's lawyer and um another gentleman by the name of mike harran he just informed me that he was on that call as well but on they was working out

legal matters with somebody else that was on the Big Al album and then my lawyer was like y'all need to have Cain on there and then like well it's one of them said to Primo you know Theo said you know y'all need to have Cain on and Premier was like you know where Cain at he's here you tell him to come to D&D now and I just you know went over there and we did it yeah What's your process, man, putting these rhymes together? It differs. How do you get in that mode?

I mean, it differs. You know, sometimes, you know, you hear a track and it's like, okay, I can ride this like that, you know? Okay. Sometimes, you know, it might be some shit that I wrote just in the crib, just chilling, and I hear beating, it's like, you know, that what you call it, rhyme could work on here. You know, that works called, yeah.

You know, so it differs. You know, sometimes I would write to the track, and sometimes I have stuff, and then I'd be like, nah, too slow. Then you hear something else. Oh, you had to work on this. Boy. The one with Conway and Buster Rhyme, how does that one come about? Um, Buster told me that he wanted to use it just rhyming with Viz joint and, you know, flip it, you know, he was like, you know, put your shit to it. The guy, so I put the verse to it, and then he hit me and was like, yo, Flex played it,

Conway heard it, and he wanted to put a verse to it. I'm like, oh, I'm like, yo, tell, dude, I'm a fan, man, yeah, yeah. And then Conway put his verse to it, and we shot a video, yeah. And lastly, the one thing I want to ask the older MC is, like, self-destructuring it's made with that, right? Mm-hmm. Famous song, and now we're living in times with drugs and violence is that of all time. that all time high.

If you were able to put like a self-destruction of this version, a generation like 2024, maybe three MCs you would want to put on there? Self-destruction in 2024? Um, definitely, for one, I would definitely want, um, one of the Migos, you know, due to the circumstances.

I would definitely want one of the Migos on here. little baby um kindry kindry i think he's amazing at those type of issues when it comes to like approaching those type right you know uh yeah kindry those would be three yeah it's hard like the power song yeah i knew it we all in the same game with like the west I think that, you know, hearing one of the Migos on a song like that would be very heartfelt, you know, and then with a little baby, like, I can't remember the song, like, my son listens to him, and it was something that he was playing. Black and White song was bigger than black and white? I can't, don't. Bigger picture.

Yeah, big picture. But it was something that my son was playing with Little Baby and I, like, he was flowing, like, I was like, oh. I was like, dude, rhyme, rhyme. I'm like, oh, okay. I'm like, wow. Yeah, yeah. I was like, yeah. Thank you, it was an honor.

And I appreciate another aspect of your show, B-Boy Top, man. Just an aspect of that, because that brother was on the head this every time. I think that's like my other my favorite part for Sassan, I'm coming to bring you to Coke, but when he come and do his one, too,

when you let your DJ rock, man, that was monumental. Because even on that rock the bells, Cruz, EPMD, you know DPA but then they brought DJ Scratch yeah I heard to do the scratch so what you're saying yeah that that's beautiful we was on there with you know it's the older folk but then they were like Big Daddy Kane next I'm thinking the room's gonna empty man I'm saying people stayed in that same room and watched you and you gave

them a hell of five show man so I know why the hell you think the room was empty yeah I don't know the people are all right the people are all right the people Hey, ain't no half-thrift, bro. You know, yeah, that's a sucker MC, man. That's a suck-em-c, man. That's a suck-em-c. I'm messing with you, baby. Yo, that's whack, man.

You was a whack emcee that time. Hey, you see what you're sharp on the mic? Ain't shit lying bad, man. Cold chilling records. It's a hard-ass name, bro. That's gonna be one for the books. What do you think when you hear a cold-chilling record? That was like, you know, one of those slang words from back in the day.

Yo, I'm cold chilling. Yeah. And do it just like that, too. You ain't lying. That's exactly how we do it. Cold chilling. Man, I can ask you questions all day, man. This is crazy, man.

Hey, this gotta be part, well, you gotta come back, man. You gotta come back, bro. You gotta come back. Anytime, man. I enjoy this. Whenever you in or around the city, bro. I don't give a damn if you wake up and remember some shit. Call me, oh, yeah, and another thing.

I forgot to tell you about this sucker, whack emcee. Well, man, it's been an honor and a privilege, man. Anything you want to leave him with before we wrap this up? Social media, anything. Nah, man. All I want to say is that, you know, I appreciate everybody keeping hip hop alive. and I hope you continue to do that. And please remember that, you know, everybody's entitled

to their own opinion, you know. People can post their top five, their top ten, but, you know, everybody's entitled to like who they want to like. And I think that's one of the beautiful things about music having the ability to have different artists that can touch your soul, you know, and touch different emotions, you know. So, I mean, I don't think there's no wrong

or no right top five. yours, mine, here's hers, you know. Oh, and also keep your eyes out from my hip-hop documentary paragraphs I manifest, which you know features, of course, myself, Jay-Z, Jay Cole, Snoop Dog, Common, Eminem, Lady London, Goods the Animal, A-Verb, and others. You've been watching that battle rap, huh? You've been watching that battle rap. Well, it's about lyrics. It's about lyrics, you know? So, you know, we had a chance to sit and talk about battle rap today versus battle rap, you know, back in the days.

Right. And all that stuff, you know, the difference. Yeah, yeah. I got to see this. What's it? Where can we catch it? We're in the editing process right now. All right. Yeah. Well, shit, when you drop it, come back. Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. We got to get you to sign the table. I know you see we got everybody who doesn't stop there through the trap. Then bless us, man. We got buying you a spot. And go crazy. Yeah. You see?

Okay, I'm good right here. Face, bro. Yeah. Oh, okay, bad, bad. Okay, bad. Okay, bad. Guys, now it's official. We got nothing but legend stopping through the trap.

You see the type of shows that we haven't over here. You ain't bringing legends through your show. Cut it out. 85-shop shows. Big Daddy. Yeah, we're out of here. Big Daddy came. Bro, thank you, fam.

No, we're really appreciate it, bro. That's amazing, brother. That was fun, Ben. That was fun, bro. Good time. Young Otis! Well, three, two, one. Ah, come on.

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