The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - Black America's Fav Attorney BEN CRUMP in the Trap | 85 South Show Podcast

Episode Date: March 6, 2026

Legendary lawyer BENJAMIN CRUMP sits down to talk about the legal system and his new book.  || 85 SOUTH App: www.channeleightyfive.com || Twitter/IG: @85SouthShow || Our Website: www.85southshow.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Truth telling brothers, it was comedy, but they always told the truth. Thank y'all for keeping that legacy going, man. Yeah, man. Appreciate it. It's an honor and the privilege. Yeah. What we're at? What we're looking like?

Hold on. Let me check something right quick. Let me see. We're checking on out. Yeah, we all country too, Mr. Crum, you know what? Let me see. Bala. He's from Georgia and Florida. Yeah.

Okay. He was in the family, though. This one he went to family. Yeah. Yeah, come on, baby. Come on, baby. We're gonna talk about it again when we start going. Yeah, we're gonna go about it again.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what's up, baby. Appreciate it, man. No, it's, oh yeah, okay. Oh yeah, okay. I was about $2,000. So, yeah.

This is not, we're gonna. Yeah, we good comedian, Mr. Crump. Yeah. But I don't know. I want you to relax. You don't never get a chance to relax. You always got to be in your food. Yeah.

Because I'm in. That's what's right. That's what's right. We flew down this. You came on that. You got to come out like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You didn't see me.

You didn't see it with other people. That's a good run, man. I'm just going to go over. I'm just getting wrong. Now, you y'all got your own slag. Or at least you're tightening up the shot. I feel like everything got day on back. Oh, yeah.

Exactly. Exactly. You said you're out. You know you're in. Yeah. You said that lumpy about North Carolina already. Nah, man. She said, love me.

Yeah. I said that's Indian. She said, yeah, bro. I know. Beautiful people and they're black and Indians and the white people pissed because we call mingling. Yeah.

What am I? What jail in? J O.N? J.O.N? You do you tell you? All right. We want to prop it up? We want to put something behind it.

Yeah, I'm going to sit up. What? The book, I said the book up. Probably just open it. Oh, yeah. Open it up. Oh, man. Man, I went to the mall today.

They ain't have shit in there. What do you? I went to the cooking spot, right? I got me a large drink. Man, then later gave me a large drink with two sips of drink in it. Yeah. Number ice. Well, I started to go back.

And never ice. And the ice AI. You're stupid. You stupid. We about this. I know a lot of studio. I've been in a lot of studio. That might be the coolest.

Yeah. Yeah, we got to be a little set up. That's how we live, man. Hey. Clemell, let me see. I'm civil rights attorney Ben Crump, many refer to as Black America's Attorney General, and I'm here with 85 South. Yes, indeed.

And I was telling the fellas, first of all, thank you all for carrying on the legacy of Richard Pry and Bernie Mac and Robin Harris, these courageous brothers who made it funny but told a lot of truth about black culture and the black struggle. I remember all those Richard Pride jokes, man. And the last thing I'll say, gentlemen, I've been in a lot of studios, man. This might be the coolest studio I ever been in. You're talking about representing the coach.

Yes, sir. Glad to have you, brother. Yeah, I'm going to be. Smooth, man. Play me something legal over there. You got some legalities over that. You got some legalities over that, some legalities.

Come on, man. Play me something so we can get to this deposition. We're going to call my lawyer's something. Wait a minute now. All I'm going to file a mere procedure. Come on. Hold on, man. I ain't even get the discovery.

I don't even get the discovery yet. No, man. We're about to have some education in this year, man. We're coming real smooth with it. More evidence is going to grand jury. Come on, man. Come on, man. A little secret grand jury.

You don't know what we got it. We're gonna talk about all the constitutional rights. They're not what the law of right does. They're trying to take them. Especially Mississippi, Alabama. We need to have the Constitution for our people. They used to make a read their Constitution. They used to have Constitution print it out for all those to have,

but you know what it said on. And that was what's going on with Ice Boy, shoot, they're attacking the Constitution in every way. Now we're going to get into that. Yeah, man. See, this is what you might not know. And you know when all this stuff be going on all across America, all the protests and the stuff like that.

And, you know, when you go through there and you do your thing, we have to come through a couple weeks and go talk to the people. Exactly. And they be coming out to them shows. And they be catching us up and giving us the inside on what the city feeling. Right. Because that's exactly what I said. Thank y'all for carrying on the legacy of Richard Pryor, man.

And Bernie McInnell. Man, if you go back on while, it's Richard Pryry, He's sentenious niggas, he is telling the news from our culture in an engaging way. Oh, he won't. Yeah. I'll leave no shoe cards. Yeah. They shoot niggas.

Exactly. I mean, Richard Pratt didn't hold back, man, and Red Fox, all of them, man. Oh, man. Dick Gregory. Oh, man. You went there. Man, Dick Gregory kept it real always. Yeah.

Most definitely. Hey, man, welcome back. Yeah. Yeah. Come on, man. Come on, man. Now, you know, we come in here, we get a lot of guests, man. But today we got a very special guest, man.

We got civil rights attorney. Come on, man. Civil rights attorney. Yes. Let attorney. Thank you, King. Thank you, King. Come on, come on, and off.

Come on, man. And off. And off. And all. And all. But today, we get to really get the inside scoop, man. Brother, welcome to the 85 South Show. Hey.

Hey, thank you, King. Hey, man, honored to be here for your brothers. Honored to have you, you're too, man. Y'all keep representing the coaching bus now more than ever. Now, before we even get into all the heavy stuff, let's just take it back a second. How did you get started into law? What made you choose law? You know, and this has been chronicled before,

I remember the exact time when I was nine years old in Lumberton, North Carolina, a little small town in North Carolina, and you remember, Brown versus the Board of Education, the United States decision, said, well, for all deliberate speed, well, in North Carolina, I'm sure it was similar in Mississippi.

They took their time. And so all deliberate speed to finally integrate the schools in Lumberton, North Carolina, was 1980, from 1955 to 1980. And so they bust us little black, children literally from South Lomber to the black section of town cross the tracks to the white section of the town where they had the new schools, new books, new technology, new everything.

And I remember coming home on the school bus, little nine-year-old kid just observing everything. And you looked in the white community, man, they had all the rows newly paved, the buildings had on in that. was professionally done. You had the trees and everything that were manicured. And then you cross over the tracks to our community. And you see immediately dilapidated buildings, potholes in the road everywhere. My old little Black Elementary School,

the paint crumbling probably got lead poisoning in it. Most definitely. And I remember saying, Carlos, to my mom, I said, I wonder why on this side of town, they seem to have it so good. And we seem to have it so challenging. And my mother said, well, baby, the reason you all get to go to the new schools with the new books and new technology is because the NWACP and Brown versus Board of Education and a lawyer named Thurgood Marshall. Okay.

And it was from that day, I said, when I grow up, I'm going to be a lawyer like Thurgood Marshall and fight for people in my community. and people who look like me to have an equal opportunity at the American dream. And from that day to this one, every day I wake up and I know what my mission is. Yeah.

And this is another question that I had as a black man outside of work because you have to leave work at work. How hard is it for you to go home and turn it off? You know, it's interesting because I think it's always with you. I look at my daughter. I look at all my,

nieces and nephews, and you understand what you're fighting for, man. We're fighting for our future. I mean, especially right now in America, they seem to have declared war on black and brown people. I mean, the attack on black literature, black history, black culture, black colleges. I mean, we got to realize they declare war, so every day we got to be all in. I try to have an outlet by writing and, you know, being able to talk to my daughter about, you know, what things do they see in the world. And just listening to your children, it is riveting how they think about things and so forth. And so those are my outlets, and I work out every day, man.

I'm so serious about health. Tragically, I lost one of my little brothers two years ago. and that focused me more as black people, especially as black men. We got to watch our A1C, our hypertension and everything. So, you know, I'm trying to eat right. I'm trying not to eat so much of the ribs

and everything. Come on, man. All the food we grew up on, grits and so forth. I was thinking about that myself. And I'm trying to work out and be healthy, man. So that's my outlets. You said them grits, I was thinking about that starch right there, so we really not supposed to be eating the white foods like that.

Hey, man, nothing white is good. for you, man. Don't say, like that. I'm not going to talk my wife like there. Hold on. You're stupid. You're stupid. Now, the starches and carbon hydrate

they're not good, man. We really got to be in tensioned about our health. Because, you know, and this is something different, but I think it's appropriate because y'all have the audience, and we have to entertain them and engage them and then educate them.

And I do believe this, man, the powers that be in America want to keep us sick, stupid, and broke. Because it's easy for them to control. You know, if they keep us eating bad food and so forth, where we're going to the doctor

and we ain't healthy, and then they keep us broke by making sure they deny us opportunities that access to capital, which is something that we need now more than ever. And then if they deny us education, I mean, right now this attack on the black colleges and attack on everything, diversity, equity, and inclusion,

it's designed to keep us broke. And so that's why we got to fight to overcome it every chance we get. And I know y'all gonna figure out how to make this funny so people accept it more. But I got to say it, that's what they want to sick, stupid, and broke, black people.

And we got to say we refuse. Yeah. I mean, that shit around you in the community that's going to make you feel better or actually be healthy for you a lot of times. They talk about the food deserts. They talk about all that kind of stuff. Where you go eat at?

There's some fast food place they got around. Exactly. Some greasy place they got some. Ain't no vegetables. All the vegetables you're going to find might be that no watered down celery. It's the little banana in the carchid when you get in the bananas. The little bananas up there and oranges up. Don't know about it.

But that's so deep that you say that, man, because I thought two things immediately when you said that. I thought about goody mob, we're here in the ATM. And you remember they said that's so full about they tried. Yeah. They made it affordable. Trying to make this bullshit affordable. Exactly. My voice was recorded.

You know what I'm what they said. And so I thought about that there. And then I immediately thought, y'all, I have the honor of representing the Black Farmers Association. And we got $2 billion. They're doing Farmers Dirty Period, but the Black But remember, y'all, remember this.

We would have food deserts if we had black farmers and we're able to grow our own food and make it's half to five people, have fresh markets and everything. So it's those type of things that we got to be thinking about outside the box to say, we don't need nobody to come and save us.

We can save ourselves. We just got the collector to sit down and have conversations like this. Yeah. Can you talk about that too with the Black Farm Association just letting people know what they're doing to those people?

Because the videos I don't watch exactly what it is. They're not getting the same opportunity. They already kind of made. That's an over farmers period with what they doing in the White House, but the black ones getting it the worst, not even able to. They're getting left out the bailouts and the grants and the government and stuff like that. And that's what we have to fight in the court of law and the court of public opinion.

Like Thurigamarsha said, you know, black people, when we fight for justice, it's not enough for us to fight in the court of law. No, we got to fight in the court of public opinion. We got to win society over. to make the judges understand that we're not going anywhere. Right. They go in courtrooms and they come with all kinds of technicalities. I call it the legalization of discrimination.

And they do it every day in America. But when you think about George Floyd and Brianna Taylor and Traybine, the crowds were so big that they couldn't know us. And that was the same with Third Good Marche. And then I'm talking about Brown versus Board of Education, Martin Luther King, and then I'm talking about the right to vote. Exactly. You know in Bamah, how much it took to be able to let blacks get on the bus in the front?

Yeah. When you say that, and that's that bus boy cop, when you said that about the farmers, my folks had something called the rural farm development council. Because all the farmers had to be under something organization-wise to affect everybody else, you know what I mean? But I didn't know that was the importance of it until you just said that then, though. Yeah, and the federal government used to oversee those things now. But with the current ruling power, The federal government is the worst perpetrator of assaulting our people and our culture. So when it comes to the black farmers, I mean, you think about, I always listen to John Boyd say, man, we used to have a million black farmers in America. Now we're down to like 200,000.

I think he's a 10 million black farmers. Now we're down to 200,000 people who can live off the land and produce their own and not depending on somebody else. They have an old African proverb, whoever feeds you controls you. Yeah. We got to feed ourselves, brothers. Yeah.

It's always been that. Yeah. It ain't just food. Yeah? It ain't just food. Feed your mind. But then it's like we had to get grown to realize that, you know,

like you said, the court of public opinion and make it sound like black people just complaining about everything, not knowing that all of these complaints or situations that was created. Yeah. Well, they put us in places like, where we can't get the health care,

we can't get the jobs, you know what I mean, to be able to stack any kind of wealth or anything, and that's stress, and then you're eating bad, and it's like it's going to lead you to an early grave, just living life. Exactly.

And it's so funny how they try to move the Gold Post or which up on that. Talking about black people complaining. America was founded on protests. Right. We're on people complaining now. Yeah. We're going to go back to the Christmas Attica?

But we definitely going to go to Christmas Antics. And they say he was black. Yeah. First black man. They said he was right. He said he was right. America too, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. See, yeah, your brothers, man. Y'all put on a shirt and tag going to court room. Y'all dropped knowledge, man. You said,

court, all about the room right there. I forgot who's got a lawyer right here. I wish you wanted to tell me why I got representation. I got number of, I got number quarter point in my whole life, man. Yeah,

I'm definitely going to pull this picture out. I'm getting to put it in a picture now. But the police can't be over tonight. I got a car. You're on your head. Be it putting that right out like D.I. No, but we're going to definitely. Before you were back.

He'd be cold on. Absolutely. We got to go to Minneapolis this weekend. Oh, man. And I wanted to get your opinion on what's going on up there exactly. I know you've been getting a lot of calls. Yeah. A lot of stuff going on in.

Man, it's so tragic to watch. the Constitution being obliterated right before our eyes. I mean, when you think about it, and obviously I know many of us well representing George Floyd's family, so many others. But, man, when you look at what ICE is doing,

I mean, it's a complete assault on the Constitution, the most basic constitutional rights, the Bill of Rights. They're attacking all of them. I mean, when you think about they're attacking the First Amendment, right to assembly, right to free speech, right to protest, expression. Second Amendment, when you think about Alex Perretti, they shot, you know, say he can't have a good. That's what they care about the most.

Exactly. The Second Amendment right is to bear arms. The Fourth Amendment right against unlawful searches and seizures. I mean, they kicking the people front doors with no warrants. I mean busting car windows and racially profiling. I saw they tried to go into an embassy or some dignitary thing or something. It's crazy, man. They've been doing the black folks.

Arrest in Don Lemon and Georgia for these journalists from just exercising their First Amendment rights, the Fifth Amendment right to due process of the law, this notion that you're innocent into proven guilty. No, they just based on how you look. You got to prove you innocent. You guilt until we say you innocent. And then the Sixth Amendment right to counsel, the fact that people, lawyers are trying to get into the detention facilities

to be able to advise their counselors and, you know, they won't let them in. And then the worst of all, y'all, and we're not even talking about this yet, the Eighth Amendment right against cruel and unusual punishment. I mean, people who need their medicine, their insulin or their heart medicine, and everything, they're putting them in the detention facility, not offering them any humanity. And they are dying in these detention facilities, and nobody's talking about it, man.

And we got to, I get it, y'all. A lot of people saying, well, let's sit this one out. We've been doing the struggle on everything else. And I understand that. Black people, we, every time we fight for civil rights, everybody else seem to benefit more than others. And everything. Everybody come on the back end

wants the goddamn. Yeah, tear-ass-declared. Niggas is bruised up. Like basically everything that you're saying now things that have actually been happening to us in real time. Yeah. And now the world's paid attention to it. And regrettably, man, as much as we want to sit up,

we can't y'all because literally, it's our Hispanic sisters and brothers now. But y'all already see they switching the profile now to Haitians. and I know we can say we were born in an American and all like that. They're saying, our nigger, you look a lot like those Haitians. And we're going to make you prove you're in America, so we're going to bust your window too. We're going to kick in your door. So none of us are safe unless all of us are safe.

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Yeah. Because if you chop everybody up and divide people into anything but people, and then they got a monopoly on stupid. All the stupid people, they have figured out how to, you know, speak. They got damn dumb-ass language. The rest of us ain't had time for them. It's crazy. And so now they just, they got this whole thing where they say one thing,

these people don't do no research, they just go with it and believe. So they soft launch on the Mexicans, like you said, they soft launch on the Haitians. They soft launch on the Somalis. Yep. Shit. And they just test. And then they'll come on us next.

Come on us now. Well, they've always been on that. Yeah, I don't want that to be more. Two-up, we don't forget that. Then you see the other thing, they switched, they went back on the Second Amendment thing, everything about the Second Amendment. Yeah.

Who bring a gun to a protest? Like, the whole thing. Kyle went out there. You know, I'm a hero for bringing the gun. His mama drove him. Yeah. And Mama got me good. I mean, it's unbelievable. And now all of a sudden, it's the thing.

You just named how many amendments they break. And I don't know how many amendments it is, but that sounds like all this. It's so deep, but that's what I write about in the book, man. Oh, book tell us about the book. It's your book? This is my book.

This is your book. This is your book. It's called illegal thriller. Yes, sir. Worse than a lie. Worse than a lie. Is it a true story? No, it's a fiction.

But it's very similar to true events. And that's what I was going to say. Okay. As he was articulating about the bait and switch, In the book, you know, they say fiction sometimes is parallel in fact, and you can't even imagine it. I was writing this book five years ago where I was representing George Floyd and Breonna Taylor and so forth. And I was doing an interview with Gil King on CBS Good Morning. And in the book, it's about this legal thriller, this civil rights legal thriller.

You know, we have all these brothers like John Grisham, your home boy. right about the rainmaker and then the Lincoln lawyer by Michael Colley the Firm and the Perry Mason all these new rights white lawyers

you're going to black so you're the black okay so we created a brother who's gonna be the hero black lawyer third good came back again exactly we got this five people too to say

no no we need young people thinking that no I could be the hero civil rights lawyer I ain't got to have a white lawyer come and save us we can save ourselves And so in this book, this fictional lawyer, Attorney Boley Cooper and his team was

Social Justice Warriors, you know, like our firm and stuff, we believe in supporting us because if we don't believe in us, nobody will. So we often hire returning citizens. We often hire people who they said weren't good enough for the Ivy Tower law firms to give them an opportunity. People like me who got a chip on our shoulder.

We go in courtrooms every day, and we always got something to prove. I look forward to going against the little white bluebread, Harvard educated lawyers and say, oh, no, they got the right Negro, the right thing, the right, we're ready to go. And so that's what Bowley represents. And in this book, I mean, and it gets deep.

Don't give it away, but go ahead. It gets deep. And I'll answer your question, and then I'm going deep on y'all. But Gary King said during the end of the end of it, view in the book where Hollis Montrose, this black police officer is shot 10 times by four white police officers. And she pointed out that Alex Peretti in Minneapolis was shot 10 times. And just the irony of it. And the fact that it was video in Minneapolis that we all saw and then how the president and everybody tried to spin it.

and blame him. We're just like this here. I mean, we talk about in the book how the system conspires to oppress the truth and try to not only assassinate our person but then assassinate our character like George Floyd, like Trayvon,

like Breonna Taylor, all of them. And so we write about it in the book and the reviews have been coming back very powerful because I was intentional even when some of my editors didn't want me to do this, they said, well, why do you got to place it on the night of President Obama's historic election in 2008?

And I did that intentionally. Chris, I was very focused on trying to create this allegory of events and characters to have the setting where it would create symbolic ideas like the election of the first black president of the United States. States history. And then people talking about, well, it's post-racial America.

We ain't going to have no need for civil rights. But on that very night, these four white officers shoot this black man who is a great person. I mean, they try to come up oftentimes, Zhao, and you know this Carlos State will try to assassinate the character. They'll say, oh, well, you know, he was a convicted felon. or he'd been arrested before. Using that history. Or, you know, he's an illegal immigrant.

They'll come up with something. I said, I made the character Hollis Montrose be a police officer. I mean, flawless and everything. But it didn't matter because they didn't see him. They only saw a projection of him. And in his, their mind, Obama had just become president

and they want to assert and show everybody that. No, no, it don't matter who in the White House. We're still in control. And it was almost foreshouting because it was the pushback against the election of the first black president in there. And so the book, on top of being a legal thriller

with all the twists and turns and you're trying to get to truth and justice, I mean, they shot him 10 times, yet they charge him with attempted murder and he's facing prison. And then this Voli Cooper lawyer from Houston, Texas, his crew, come in, and they know early on,

at the very beginning, when they start denying him bailing so far, that to beat this broken system, Bo Lee Cooper gonna need more than the truth to prevail. And that's the scene. It's like a few things in and all the losing, but with a different flavor, because now you've got people looking like us

as the heroes in the culture on front street in the courtroom objecting. I like this. I know you've had interactions and got to be around Barack Obama. How did that, how did that... Yeah, no. It's deep, man.

It's deep, man. Because, you know, President Obama, when I was representing Trayvon Martin, you know, he came out in the White House Rose Garden and said, if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon. And the case was already building. But when he did that, that was the first time people, you know, we expect now presidents to talk about these social justice issues. But they had never done that in America.

Not even the U.S. President had talked about Emmett Till. And so when Barack Obama did that, you knew that it was a watershed moment for America. And so I wanted to remind America that this 2008, even though we celebrated and it was a moment of hope and progress for so many. For others, it was a line in the sand and it was the pushback. And it's what you said now, what we have happening in America now. And so I want to tell them, I mean, bring those two convergent things together. Obama elected, black man brutally shot and so forth. And how the systems told us loud and live in color, no, no, this ain't no post-racial America.

We're going to need civil rights lawyers now more than ever. And that's what we tried to do with the book to inspire the next generation, just like books like to kill a mockingbird. describe people that's what I think we're trying who's working a lot See that's why I think we Like, most Carlos from Mississippi He made me get into the

The Mississippi history Even more with, like you said, Emmettille case The Mattiel case came about Because TRM Howard made Emmettel mama Come forward with the case, right? And T.R.M. Howard had an insurance company

and Medicare Elvis and Fannie Lou Hamer worked for T.M. Howard. So we got some leaders that's right there but we may not know it all the way right there, right? And man, I'm just blown away, brother.

They tell me. They told me about it. You're a historical accuracy. But this is all we talk about it. No, seriously, that's what he do. He's going to look into some black history and he's going to find out and he's going to share it with anybody who, you know what I'm saying?

He's got to do you know what I'm saying? He's going to be in the museum. What you said? That ain't what that. Kind of like Mike. You're going to tell you. That's him. That's him.

He'll tell him. He'll be a little. Yeah, and you know, and I love it, man, because when I watched Dave Chappelle's specials and everything, and, you know, his mother was an African-American history. She was with her Patrice Lamuma. She ended up being with Patrice LaMova people over in Africa, too. Exactly. La Mumba over in Kenya and everything.

Congo, go, blue it. You're right, you're right. You're right. You're right. Yeah, you're all in Kenya. But it's those type of things that if we can find a way to entertain through the comedy but yet still be teaching, man, that's how we win. Because we got

to figure out how to get to the young people since they're trying to take black history out to schools. We got to teach our history in other ways. And that's why I'm, you know, 85-self, baby. It's your time, man. I'm serious about that. And if they take black history, it's going to be a problem because I'm going to start adding stuff to the story.

I'm going to add all types of shit. Life. Straight up. Well, Rosa Parks and Luke Kung Fu. Come on. She keeps seven white men in the throne. And sat down and waited for the polling. We asked... My little king. B.B. King.

All that's saying, Randy. She may start making it up. We're going to make it crazy over. I wanted to answer this. What's your message to the next generation of young black professionals? Because we don't get to hear from a lot of our people who are in the position like a bankrupt. Like the next generation of black lawyers or like you said, the graduates from the HBCUs, man. Sometimes all it takes is to just hear from.

somebody who's been there, man. So what's your message to him? You know, my message is pretty straightforward. The future of black people is not determined upon how white people treat us. The future of black people is not determined about how white people support us. The future of black people is not determined by how white people invest in us. The future of black people is going to be determined by how we treat each other. The future of black people is going to be determined on how we support each other. The future of black people is going to be

on how we invest in each other. Because right now, we have to build a strong black economic base. More than anything else, y'all, more than anything we could be doing is supporting black business, trying to work with other black people, trying to have 85-style production company,

and then to expand that. Talking about black farmers and black grocery stores, black insurance agencies, black mechanics, black dry cleaners, black law firms, black medical associations, black doctors, black funeral homes. I mean supporting our own, I mean telling each other, when y'all sit around and say, that at least 50% of my money go to black businesses,

because we know the, The truths that in the Asian community, their dollar circulates in their community 24 times before it leaves their community. Our Jewish sisters and brothers, their dollar circulates in their community 17 times before it leaves the Jewish community. And they say the black dollar stays in our community

17 minutes before we go give it to the white community and everybody else. So the future of black people, I say, to all young professionals, we got to support everything black. And are we going to be perfect? No, but ain't none of them perfect. But we are so quick

to criticize black people and black businesses and black associations and it's this crabbing the bucket mentality. And that's what they're counting on now more than never, especially with this misinformation that's out there on the internet

and social media. They're trying to keep us attacking each other Just dramatic stuff. Like when we first started talking about, they want us to just be stupid, sick, and broke. That's it. And so that's how we get by starting to build our community. Because when the money stays in our community,

then we can support our black colleges. We can support our black schools. We can support our black children health care. Our black children have access to capital. I mean, once we start supporting our own, then you can be like the Jewish community. You can be like the Indian community. all these people, they don't look for white people to come in,

they don't look for government intervention. They say, no, no, we got everything we need within ourselves. Like New Jack City, you remember when CMB saying, we're a self-contained unit. We all we got. Now, wait a minute, now, you don't want the no boys like that. Hold on. Wait a minute, now, we went from Thuring Good Boston to Nino Brown,

man. It's all good enough. I wish you. I am wishing. It's all legal system. It's all legal system. He didn't have you brain watching. He went to jailed.

He went to court. He was American way. It was American Brown. It was American. He didn't make him CEO. What about his real estate wasn't for him?

He took over a whole building. The car. Hold on. Hold on. He renovated. Hold on. Made the property value going to look. Maybe it is man.

Cash finance. Hold on. You obviously a movie fan. Yes, sir. this sound like, you know what I'm saying? Something might be in the world. I'm just saying if it was a scene where 85 South was on there talking about what happened with the character. I don't know. I just, that's something that's just, I just threw it out about it.

And you know, this is just, no, I got, you know, I know something. No. Mr. You should brother give him kind of street. Sure. Mr. Crum. They got that. No.

Last time I went to court, though, man, you know, because a lot of times we go to court, we'd be seeing the same judges and then return to the judge see the same criminals, but sometimes they get us mixed up. Last time I walked in court, judge said, didn't I tell you don't come in my courtroom again? You come in my court again?

I told you I'm sending you to jail. I said, man, I ain't even in here for court today. I'm in here with my cousin, knick. Damn you at that dress. He gave my cousin five years for a speed ticket like that. But that's just all I had to say about that. Well, even though I know. know it's human that it

is true. It's a lot of truth in it. You know, Richard Pry said back when he was in the 70s in his comedy album, I went down to the courtroom looking for just us. And that's all I found.

Just that. Yeah, he did. And so it's still the same today. But, you know, we can help the situation I mean, I'm Black America's Attorney General, and I try to use the platform I got to tell black people,

man, you got to engage in jury service. Jury duty. Jury Duda. Oh, man. They brought me down there for jury duty one time. Talking about a double murder. He didn't have a hell of it. No, they needed you, man.

No, the hell they did. No, man. I had companies of injuries. They know me. They didn't know me. Call him. That was the only thing he got me off You said my name

Yeah, see he got to let me go He know me I can't do it When they asked them questions I ain't gonna lie Do you have any Any conflict of interest Me?

I said fuck the police Let me say this here In all seriousness now In all seriousness We need you On that jury Because the hardest thing In the world to do

As a black lawyer Is to go in the courtroom And with your black client, June, and everything else in the courtroom is white except the judge's role. And expect that you're going to get

equal justice. And you know when you just got one black person on the jury, just one black person on the jury, it changes the whole conversation when they deliberate. You know, we've been blessed, man. We got some huge... We got some huge verdict.

White people's going to court and all the jurors with black, exactly, man. Exactly. I ain't never even thinking about it. I ain't no possible

even in the all black town. It ain't know a problem. I brought my own gavel. You can't do that. It's possible, y'all. In states like

Mississippi and Alabama, where we got the majority, oh man, if black people showed up the jury dude that they could do it because I'm telling you, I go in courtrooms

and God be with us because sometimes I'm just looking at an all-white jury and I'm like man how can I make them understand the life experiences of this black person the coach of this black person you know the loss and the emotions of this black family's lost and I have to jump over hurdles to try to make sure that these white probably Fox News watches can give equal respect and equal dignity to a George Floyd or Brianna Taylor, or Maude Aubrey. And God has blessed us. Mike Brown. It's so many names. I know you got all the name.

His father-like cause. Yeah. And Mike Brown, Father, Mike Brown, Senior, Leslie makes bad. I mean, the fact, if you can have black jurors looking at that situation, it makes all the difference in the world, man.

And so we just got to show up and people say Black Lives Matter where it's really your time. If you're in that courtroom and you're one of those, in most cases, six jurors, and then if it's a capital case where somebody can spend life in prison, it's 12 jurors. But if you are in that courtroom and you're one of them, you can make all the difference in the world for Mike Brown.

You can make all the difference in the world for Trayvon. You can make all the difference in the world for Sandra Bland. All these people, man. Can you imagine if you were in the juror box when they were talking about, you know, Zimmerman killing, Trevine, Yeah. What your message? He did that shit, y'all.

But he did. I'm just saying, you could be back there educating the white folks. Nobody would be. Or, or, or, you can hang the jury and be like, no, we ain't sending that black man to jail today. Run it back. Yeah. Run it back. Exactly.

I mean, it's power that we have. Yes. If we just would do. Man, we go into court room and Cliff Jones and that's, no, we sit in the courtroom. Black people do everything and they power to get off the judge. jury. I mean, I'm a guilty of that. Hey, look,

the problem is our white sisters and brothers, they're doing everything and their power to be on the jury. They're like, no, no, no. This is the day. We're going to make America great. We're going to be on this jury. And I want us black people to have the same resolve. They know, we're going to make sure our

people get justice today. That's real. I wanted to ask you this. Do any, are you representing a lot of high profile cases. Do any of those cases disturb you want more than the other or it's just same feeling all across the board? Like that's Sandra Blan one. That one really

was disturbing because we still don't know what happened to her. It's so many of a man that are so troubling to your soul. You know, Trayvon would have been 31 years old yesterday. Good Lord, man. Stop playing. Yeah, man. Yesterday? That's a whole life that we remember when he was

15, 16 didn't happen. That's a whole other 15 years just like that, man. 2012, man. And I often think, man, what would have come with Trayvon Benjamin Martin had he been able to live his life out? What would have come a Brianna Taylor? That sister was doing all the right stuff, man. I mean, she was doing everything.

Both of them, Gene. Y'all remember the brother who got here by the white police woman who came into his apartment thinking it was hers? he eating ice cream, minding his business, she's shooting and killed him. And then she stayed self-defense. And people try to have sympathy for her,

even though she killed this man in his own place. And he was a certified public accountant at 23 years old. I mean, how much a future he had, how bright it was. Man, those things trouble you so much, man, that these young people who could have been your sister, your brother

you know taking away Tyree Nichols in Memphis I mean and so all these cases matter

every one of them and you know I was going to say we were blessed you know we got the record for the highest amount ever paid out

in what we call a compensatory case for a wrong for death I won $780 million and so forth And I think a lot of that had to do,

we had three blacks on the jury. It matters, y'all. Yeah. It matters. Mr. Crook, I can tell you this right here. When I first came up here today, my friend told me that, man, all right, when you talk to him now,

you see him just on TV with everybody else, but he is an educated man. He went through the process. He then took the bar, you are a lawyer for real. So that's why I wanted to, we wanted to still get your respect on that. But I wanted to ask you, too, like, Why was it so hard for black people?

I heard black people had to have an apprentice to even be a lawyer. We couldn't even just go in law school like that too. Well, you know, we have to be careful because the past is prologue. You know, they didn't want, the whole reason they have the bar exam is because the person in South Carolina

came up with a way to try to keep blacks from becoming lawyers. And you remember in Shakespeare's play Henry III? The first thing they said is kill all the lawyers. Yep. Because if we don't have lawyers, nobody interpreted the law. tyranny and, you know, injustice can reign free.

And so if black people ain't got no black lawyers, then they could just beat us anything. And now you see this attack on DEI, like it's a bad word and everything, trying to help get black people equity, not just equality, because there's a big difference between equality and equity. Equality, you know, is just saying,

we're giving everybody equal chances and everything. Equity is taking an account that they got a 400-year head start. You know, that we built this country for free. We didn't get our 40 acres and a mule and so forth. So we got to account for that. And that's what we talk about equity. But now they are trying to say, no, we don't want anything that gives black or brown people a chance to have an equal playing field. And so now we are going to probably see less people get professional degrees like,

doctor's degrees and engineering degrees and law degrees than we did 25, 30 years ago. I mean, our children, this generation today, we won't get as many black lawyers today as we got 25 years ago by the laws that they're pushing because they understand when you give a little black boy from Lumberton, South Carolina, Ben Crop, a law degree, man, look what that nigger could do.

You can go Wednesday, I'm 180. Yeah. You know, and that's the thing that they, I think they don't want an equal playing field. Right. Yeah. That's what they don't want. They're scared to compete fairly with us.

Right. And that's what I think it's always been about because they saw when you had Martin Luther King's with the oratorical skills, you had the third good marshal with the legal skills. You know, you had all these black inventors were so little to be able to achieve so much. You saw the sisters with NASA and everything, how they knew the last.

The contributions are undernibuster. They ain't even just contributions and stuff that we do with undeniable still. Yeah. Well, especially when we come together. Think about George Washington Carver there in Tuskegee, Alabama, man. Him that book of tea had that conversation going. Yeah, and how, you know, Henry Ford and then were trying to get George Washington Calver away because he was that brilliant.

And thank God he said, I'm going to have principals. I'm trying to educate the next generation of black people. You got enough money, Henry Ford. Yeah. Yeah. Man. I had enough of them. That's real, though.

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Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Why is it so hard for police officers to get prosecuted made clearly on video? Thanks for bringing us back to the book, Ken. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you know, in the book,

we talk about how they try the system. tries to come up with what I call the intellectual justification of discrimination. And to a larger point, it's what Martin Luther King said in his letter from the Birmingham jail when he said, you know, everybody remember injustice anywhere,

threatened the justice everywhere, but I thought it was more profound when he said, just because they tell us it's legal, that don't make it right. Because, you know, they started trying to say slavery was legal.

segregation was legal. Everything Hitler did to the Jews in Germany was legal. Everything that happened to Emmett Till, they said, was legal. So when they tell us it's legal, that don't make it right. So this thing qualified immunity, this assumption that when the police acting in the color of law, we first have to give him the rebuttable presumption that what they were doing was legal. And then we have to prove that whatever this. I mean, it still don't make any sense.

So it's making them innocent. It tries to make them innocent by saying if they had a subjective belief that somebody was going to put them in fear of their life, not an objective belief, but a subjective. So fear in my mind. I can you. And I can use.

And think about all these qualified immunity cases, man. When you think about Eric Garner being choking and so forth, they're like, oh, well, justified because they feared that he was gonna harm the police. Big black man. Yeah, this whole theory of the big, scary black person. Michael Brown and Ferguson,

running away from the cop, and he shoot him and everything. And they said, qualified immunity because in his mind, he said Mike Brown could kill it. Yeah, I mean, and so qualified immunity is just intellectual justification for discrimination.

Al, just like the stand-your-ground laws and everything, the subjective fears, and that's what made Trayvon such, I think phenomenon. Black people, as bad as it was, we had got used to police kill our children and they, for the most part, get away with it. But now with stand your ground,

it was a law that said any Tom Dick or Harry citizen could kill our children and then say, oh, I felt to feel my life and go home and sleep in their bed at night. And so that's what this qualified immunity is about. It's trying to say, well, you got to try to put yourself in the shoes of the police officer you can't be objective

with all this video stuff we see saying no no he wasn't in fear he just killed that man how you're in fear when you got more numbers how you were in fear when you got a whole tool belt full of weapons and everything we see a man say he in fear because somebody said

in the name of Jesus yeah oh my God saw your master man that was the one for this but I didn't mean to just say risked to her too went to dollars into the family. No, Sonia Master, you know, you're talking about cases that's troubling. She called the police for help.

She called the police. I mean, she called for help. She wasn't committing no crime or anything. And my investigator, Cliff Jones, and I thank God, we got as full of justice as we can get for her. And I always say a measure of justice because true justice would be

her not being shot and killed in the birthplace. But we were able to get $10 million Civil Settlement, which was the most for any black woman in the state of Illinois. Then we got the Sonia Massey Law Pass. Okay.

That says that a police officer when they come to interview for the job that it must be revealed, all of the complaints, all the other complaints of excessive force

got to be known and so forth because remember this guy had went through six jobs, In four years, he kept getting fired. He was different police every time. Yeah, different police agents. He just go to another department. He got to break this on the police. Yeah, yeah.

And you're right, man. And then Sonia Massey, you know, the jury, we thought it should be first-degree murder. Because you remember, he shot her when she said, I rebuke you in the name of the Jesus. He said, oh, no, hell you won't. I shoot you in your effing face. And then he stepped around the counter. And got a better shot. Got a better shot.

and shot her in her face when she said it the second time. And the juror came back and convicted him of second degree murder and we thought it should be first degree, but the judge did something just what was it? The last week,

Cliff last week. The judge gave him the maximum and very rarely do police get the maximum sentence. The judge gave him the maximum sentence that they could get. And y'all is sad. How much was the labor?

It's 20 years. It's sad, though, y'all, because a brother, we can get 20 years for selling marijuana. Smoking. And so that's the thing that we got to keep fighting for. The struggle is never over. The struggle continues. And that's why I want everybody to get the book worse than a lie. And the reason being, seriously, though, y'all, my grandmother taught me when I was a little boy,

she said, what's worse than a lie? That is to tell the truth. Lord, how much? And have nobody believe you. Can you imagine how many young brothers and black sisters have to go in courtroom and lie on themselves and take these plea deals

because if they don't, the alternative could be, they'd be convicted of a trumped-up charge. And I do mean a trumped-up charge that put them in prison for the better part of their lives. And so that's what we talk about, worse than a lot because we get in here

you see that it's so much worse than whatever you could think of where Ashley goes on in the courtroom like Thurgood Marshall said most people would never really know what happens in a courtroom that's why he said he wrote his briefs and his legal memos to be so engaging

to try to educate the public at large well what could be more engaging than a legal thriller and so that's why I said now we're going to write about a black superhero lawyer, not like all these white superhero lawyer. We don't know somebody who can all identify with somebody who came from the hood and came from country, towns like us.

He got returning citizens, people who been in prison, people who went to community colleges, working on the team, and they're just as smart as all the white people. I want to ask you this, because we're right here in Georgia. Are you familiar with the Kendrick Johnson case? Very much so. I know his people too. Yeah, man. Very familiar with it.

It's ludicrous. Yeah. Yeah. Amen. Well, my question was it's like, you know, it's a mystery to a lot of people who outside Georgia. Can I say this here?

And I know y'all know Ricky Hughes, too, great sister. She's an executive producing a podcast that we're going to start doing called Unresolved. And it's looking at cases like, you know, Kendrick, cases like Sandra Blaine.

Is Jabari on that too? Jabbar people? From Alabama. It's those type of cases where people got killed in very highly questionable ways. And America just swept it under the rug and we're saying

no, we're going to try to get some resolution and re-examine all these matters. And so I know Ricky Hughes is a phenomenal sister when it comes to promoting comedy and stuff. I think he works with 85,000 Dave Chappelle, but she's all Also, like we said, we got to keep evolving using all our talents.

She's going to help us with this legal podcast that helps these families be able to examine the truth of what really happened. Definitely be something to. Yeah, that's true. To let them know where the book is available and how they can reach out and all of that. Hey, I appreciate that, Kay. Yeah, yeah. It's available everywhere. I want to think the thousands of people who've already preordered it.

I mean, Randall House, the largest publishing company in the world, are blown away by the sales, even before it comes out on February 17th. Okay. Amazon, Barnes & Noble, independent black bookstores, it's everywhere because, you know, this is our superhero lawyer. Yeah. Bo Lee Cooper is our law. You're going to be for us. Our black ego of justice. Is this your first book?

This is my first novel. I wrote a book called. a book called Open Season, the Legalized Genocide of Color of people that looked at all those cases like Trayvon and Mike Brown's case and so forth. But this is a fiction that we believe is going to be turned into a movie and so forth.

And I think it's going to be one of those things kind of like Perry Mason that outlive us. I'm saying, are you interested in doing more novels? Yeah, I think we're going to do some more Lee Cooper. I think we're going to do. We're going to do more. more and they're going to have more roles for Come on, man, let's go.

Let's go. I'll be his Uber driver. Man, look, I don't work with them no more. I'm going to get you where you need to go. Now, look, get, Bollett. Look, Bole! Hey, who's playing Bowley, though, if you cast to the Riner, who would you put in?

Don Chil. It could be any number of people. But it's Boli, and he got, like, a great cast. He got a Puerto Rican associate lawyer. That's going to be good for a sister. out there, he got his investigators, his partners, and everything. You got the person who's gonna play the black police officer.

So I could think of any number of people, man. Don Cheetah would be great. Idris Elba, you know, Herschel Ali, Morris Chestnut, you know, Tamer Hall thought Michael B. Jordan. It's gonna be just great characters for people of color to play historic, heroic roles. Like Black Perry Mason.

You ever step into that role, man? It's going to have movie after movie after movie because there's so much content. And because we got it like on the detective side with the Easy Rollers and the... Exactly, man. The Alice Cross and the Eagles. So to get it on that legal side, I'm looking forward to it.

Yeah. Only thing that reminds me of do back in a day, you're a lawyer so you would know is the closest thing to it would be that we had black sheriff, you know, back in the day, Lucius Emerson. Yeah, and Bass Reed. No, no, no, no, no, no, Bass Reed. That would be more like around the slavery time,

but Lucius Emerson, this is like around the 1960s. But one of my friends, my cousins, was the first woman charged with voter fraud and named Maggie Bozeman down in Pickers County, right? Yeah, Pickers County, Alabama. Now, usually don't like to talk about it. People have to make me talk about it. You talk about that every damn day, man.

We still don't. But it's important, what is important, listen. Listen, that. But is that because Maggie was the first... She was the first person charged with voter fraud in the country. And I don't think everybody knows that without that case right there. They won't know when you finish. That's what made Ronald Reagan push forward the Voters Right Act because Maggie went to jail for it.

And she ended up getting released to the custody of a man named Lucius Amerson. Lucius Amerson is the black police sheriff that end up killing other Ku Klux Klanzeman. Literally, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. We're working on a move about that one. Damn right. God damn. I might have to play loose. Hey, no, that's so serious. It's not the bank of both of it, too.

We got to put the respect on that shit. You know, voting rights are under tax. So I think, you know, we talk about what they're saying. They're going to try to have ice people showing up at the polls in November. They won't directly. Yeah, well, if they got 20 ice people at the polls, we got to come up with 2,500 black people saying, no, we're going to vote. That's what we mean by being strategic and fighting united.

Yeah. Look, anytime we get somebody higher claims stopped through here, we got to get them the side of the table, man. You ain't no exception. Hey, I appreciate you. We got you a cool spot right here. Yeah, right, though. We ain't got to worry about nobody writing over it.

We got any questions in the room? Right? The power. Okay. How do you measure success? I mean, we see the money, the settlement. And then we got the Sonia Mastery bill was passed. But what other ways do you measure success

when you do win a case for our people? No, I think you hit it right on the nail. The real win is when it benefits more than just the individual or the individual family when you have a sonya master. You know, the George Floyd Justice and Policing Act never was able to get across the finish line on the federal level because they got so much political grid line. going on that you can't get anything done on the federal level.

But do you all know over 100 cities and states past George Floyd laws saying that you couldn't do the chokehold, you couldn't put the knee restraint anymore? And so those are the victories every time we can slow down them from killing another sister or brother. You know, when I do all these banking while black discrimination cases and so forth, where now they have to pay $200, $300 million

to black people who they denied loans to, denied mortgages to, and now the bank gives more economic opportunities to black businesses. Those are the wins. You know, the case with Henry or the Lacks where, you know,

the youths and sales. Yeah. Yeah, and so, you know, these pharmaceutical companies made billions and billions and billions of dollars, and her black family didn't get not one red cent until we sued in 20, and for the first time in 2021, we were able to get the first pharmaceutical company that pay Hero Lacks family some compensation for her healer sales that have been the cornerstone

of every medicine, every, you know, vaccine in the last 60 years. Oprah did that movie. Yeah, opening it was dope. And now they're doing a documentary on our legal cases because now we're up to the fifth pharmaceutical company having to pay millions of dollars. to her family, I consider that a win. That is a win. I need to get over some of her family.

Immediately. So she got the Eve G. Is that what it's going? She got the Eve G. She is, if I can for just a moment. Of course. You take it turn. Yeah.

Henry Lacks was a victim of medical racism that was just running rampant in America in the 1950s. In Tuskegee, you had the Tuskegee syphilis experiment where they ingested the black men with syphilis and then cured them, even though they had a cure, and they let it proliferate and linger for over four decades where they went and had relations with the women,

gave them syphilis, and then their children were born with syphilis in the government, not the people just in Alabama, the U.S. government, they always try to say it's the South. No, America itself was racist to the core when they just let it happen wanted to say, well, what would happen to the human body if the syphilis was never treated? People went blind, people lost, you know,

get raised, people died, and they just watched. And then you had the Mississippi. And then you had the Mississippi appendectomy in your home state. That was where the black women were going for A new team, and they were sterilized, they'd make them where they can't have children, the most famous being,

the civil rights activist Fannie Lou Hamer. They said, I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. I mean, at 23 years old, they gave her the appendectomy where she couldn't have children, but because she was educating and resourceful, she went and was the first one to blow the whistle that they were doing this to black women,

not only in Mississippi, but in Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, I mean, they was trying to keep it from having people like us, Babeay kids, being able to recreate. Recreate. And then you had the black soldiers

with the gas masks. They would give them faulty gas masks, put them in the gas chambers and watch their skin bubble. I mean, just evil stuff. And then in Baltimore, Maryland, man, Johns Hopkins. Hospital?

The number one medical research institute in America at the time was trying to find out if the human cell could survive outside the human body. God, don't. And we don't know how many black people they kill before they got the henry of the lacks. When we were doing the research for the case, man,

you had old black people who said that our parents told us when we were children don't get caught at night near John Hopkins Hospital because they'll snatch up and cut on you. They had spearmen on it. They were the original body snatches. Yeah. Snatching up our people.

And so when they came to Henry of Alex, this 31-year-old beautiful wife and mother, she had five children, and she had the early stages of cervical cancer, they never treated her even though it was very treatable. She went there and they put radiation rise in her female organs. Now, y'all understand chemotherapy, man, they give you chemotherapy

when you go. And they do that trying to reduce the tumor to the smallest amount. So when they have to use radiation, they can use the least amount possible because radiation is so harmful to the body, potentially fatal. And so they didn't care about that with black people.

They put radiation rods in her female organs, spread it all open. They went and cut a piece of the cancer cell, cut a piece of her health cell, and then sent her home the next day. And it's sad, man, because she lived eight more months and her family talked about

how she would scream out and pain and agony in the middle of the night from the effects of the radiation. And it's almost biblical, y'all, because what she has sacrificed to give the world this incredible gift

because she became the first person in the course of human history whose cells were not only able to survive outside the human body but they will regenerate every 24 hours and so you have a situation literally

where it's her healer cells scientists could come and experiment on the healer cells not have to experiment on the human body and that's how they would figure out the vaccines for HPV and dealing with COVID and dealing with AIDS

AIDS and I mean, all these medicines came from her genetic materials. And so when we were in the courtroom arguing that pharmaceutical companies had the audacity to say, Mr. Crump must be crazy to think that he can bring a 60-year-old case. I mean, how to, and then we objected and they said, no, no, we can't disparage any person in the courtroom. Mr. Crump was the officer of the court. We're not going to call him crazy. But the judge said, federal judge, well, Mr. Crum, how do you plan on getting around the statute of limitations? Because statute of limitations in mostly every state is two, three, four years.

If you don't bring the lawsuit then, you're forever barred. And you remember here at the Lacks, they did this butcher her in 1951. And here we are in 2020 bringing this lawsuit with her family. And it was, you had all the rich white pharmaceutical companies on one side of the court. All these black Baltimore is, and if y'all'd been to Baltimore, we was on the other side of the courtroom. They're ready to pick the more. And they said, well, Attorney Crump, do you have a response? How are you planning to get around the statute of limitations?

And I said, well, Your Honor, I absolutely do. You know, all morning in this courtroom, we've talked about here where the lack's been unprecedented. There's never been anybody like her. I mean, she is a miracle. I mean, it's a medical mystery, how her sales continue to regenerate every day, literally. And so I get it. If from 1951 to 2018,

her family is not entitled to a percentage of any of those profits because it's outside the statute of limitations. But, Your Honor, just as I have on top, articulated this morning and our experts have articulated that here we're at the last sales regenerate every 24 hours so those sales that regenerated yesterday oh we think we got a percentage of all those profits yeah yeah the profits going forward yeah yeah we want royalties for them sales right and we got royalties grump i'm saying why hey right that's a smart hey man i like if she's the only

person with regenerating sales you talk about statute of limitations. Hey, that's the sale time. Yeah, exactly. Yesterday we got a new statue of the middle. It started over again. And so that's what we're doing, and they're making a documentary about that, because remember even in the book that they wrote

that Oprah based a movie on, they said in the book, her family would never recover. And that underscores, and this is a good way to end it. That underscores why we need black lawyers like Boehler and Ben Trump to do it. extraordinary things that they say we can't do. So, like that you did. Turn it big.

Come on. Go ahead. On the end up. Hey, man, he got closing arguments on the five. Close the arguments on the five. Yeah. But you're more than welcome to stop through any time, man. Five, seven.

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