The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - Chairman Fred Hampton Jr. In The Trap! with DC Young Fly & Karlous Miller

Episode Date: March 26, 2021

On this very special episode, the son of the Black Messiah blesses the trap with some revolutionary knowledge. Fred Hampton was a 21 year old Black Panther leader who was assassinated in his Chicago apartment in 1969. His son, Fred Hampton Jr. continues the struggle today and gives some insight into the making of the film 'Judas and The Black Messiah' which was based on his father's life.Plus, Chairman Fred Hampton Jr. explains how the revolutionary struggle continues today and gives an update on the many political prisoners still locked up. This is the coldest podcast!Hit Our Website for more info: https://www.85southshow.com/​Get our custom merchandise: https://85apparelco.com/​Subscribe To our Channel: bitly.com/85tubeWATCH KARLOUS' MILLER's COMEDY SPECIAL! https://vimeo.com/ondemand/karlousmil...​FOLLOW THE CREWKARLOUS MILLER - https://www.facebook.com/karlousm/​DCYOUNGFLY - https://www.facebook.com/DcYoungFly1/​CHICO BEAN - https://www.facebook.com/OldSchoolFool/​Director - JOE T. NEWMAN - www.ayoungplayer.comProducer CHAD OUBRE - https://www.instagram.com/chadoubre/​Producer - LANCE CRAYTON - https://www.instagram.com/cat_corleone_​It's Jon - https://www.instagram.com/holaj_o_n/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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don't mean we're not making some more Black History. I'm trying to tell you. You get what I'm saying, D.C. Youngflat. Now, we've been calling our studio the trap since we got over here. But we didn't brought some legends through it. We didn't brought some ball players. Some actors, some movies stars, some artists, some artists. Some damn servers.

Bruh. But today. What with that? We're getting black as hell today. Hold up. Put all up. Before you do anything, make sure if you got some black in the closet, go put it off. Go put it on.

I'm talking about. This is how black we're about to get, D.C. I'm talking about Vaseline as lotion black. I'm talking about hair conditioner as lotion black. You hear me? I'm talking about the whole summer at your grandma house. You hear me? I want the blue.

Freeze pops over, black. You know what I'm talking about, I'm talking about so black when you have to tell your brother, hey, your dad outside, that's how black we get. I'm talking about so black, don't mind them roaches. They live here, black, you know what? I'm talking about so black, what you mean on fire? Get my goddamn check.

Hey, bruh. I'm talking about so black, check ends in the light on, but that means it's still running. Oh, I'm talking about you got some ribs, black, but you need some ties black. Yes, up. Now, today. What we're doing?

We're switching up the whole game plan. Talk about shit. Bro, we got a whole son of a revolutionary wife up and up and up with us, bro. And we're comedians. Open the crime, man. We be bullshitting all the time. But we're bringing some real shit today, bro. They got this movie out right now that's based on his father's life.

Judas and the Black Messiah. We have none other than Fraybhamden Jr. Oh! Don't hit the music yet. No, wait, wait. That's what we know him at. Uh-huh. But the people who know him for real,

uh-huh. Call him the chairman. The chairman! Now hit the music. I ain't boy, shit. Hold up, O.G. I can't do like that. Ah. Hold up, got to do the thing, but we just talk to this.

Yeah, sir. You're gonna talk. You're gonna talk. Them, them your people? My comrades, we're my comrades, we're talking so black. We're talking about chain gangs and alias names. You hear me? Yeah.

Talk your shit, oh, yeah. Welcome to the 85 South Show. It's an honor to be here, brothers. That's an honor and pleasure to have. That's honor to hand. You, O.G., you're brave. Hey, right. I'm gonna be here, man.

Yes, sir. Before we even get into it, how you feel? Hey, it's the saying to Chairman Fred Hampton, we say, say, we're too proletary and revolutionary intoxicated to be astronomically intoxicated to be astronomically intimidated. And what that means, the plain name is turns. We have the people, man.

It's a phenomenal time. You know what I'm saying? I mean, the type of conversation, the type of discussion is happening. You know, it's intense. I don't want to go too far here, but just even with the release of the trailer, the movie, you know what I'm saying? It's up to ante on conversations that we've been having for quite some time. A lot of people, you know, fearful to have them, or they've been in the sort of, quote-unquote, coded sort of way.

So, again, I'm charged up. Right. Before we even talk about the movie, let's talk about the movie. about the movie, let's talk about the process. You know, I know people, a lot of people have approached the family about buying the rights and telling this story. But like, what was the atmosphere leading up to this?

Did you feel like this is the right, this is right? This is how I want this to be seen. Or like, what was the family's overall consensus before the movie was even? Right on. I'm glad you prefaced that way. Because a lot of times, you know, cats get it twisted. Because we say, you know, the streets make the music.

Music don't make the streets. Dog, wide the tail, tail, white the dog. So before the movie, there has been the consistent, you know, struggle going on. Though a lot of times people have been approaching us saying, man, I've seen the movie, so how can we get, you know, how can we start the struggle back? We say, hold on, get your lay pass. This has been going on for quite some time. Some mistakes in my mind and my heart, I'm probably about 12 years old,

and we were approached me and my mother. And this is one, and I emphasize one, one of the times of which our gas was cut off at our house, Chicago Winter. And it was a book proposal. However, it raised one of the police up as the protagonists and putting the police in a good light. And her principal position that she took, Akua and Jerry, we call her Mother Kua,

forming was Deborah Johnson. And I remember asking her about 12 years old, she said, well, if this happens, does that translate, he'd get turned back on in the house? And she took a principal position, she said, it's a no-go. And even against contested conditions where other people that may have been in the Black Panther Party,

Panther Party and I distinguished those that were in the Black Panther from those that are Black Panthers. Even with family members, say, you know, man, go, is what the youngster's called now, chase the bag. She said, no, go. And so this isn't the first time that, even before the butler, Forrest Whitaker, Antoine Fuqua, different people was talking about this, so I just want to preface it, you know, put in the context. So fast forward to what we are right now. You know, we had got word through the Gravemind. There was some discussion about doing a project on Chairman Fred. So in many, So I think was, okay, here we go again.

They're not going to get through the vetting process. And we studied it. There are various scripts brought to us. If you Google, you can actually see some of the initial titles that were proposed, and the narrative was incorrect. So before I even brought it to my mother, Comrade, not just in a subjective way, this isn't my mother. She resides on our advisory board of our organization

of Black Panther Party Cubs. Before bringing it to her, we wanted to vet it. In other words, cut the fat off the meat. See, if we're going to barbecue a meal, do what it is. So we went through the process and, you know what I'm saying, back and forth, back and forth, you know what I'm saying? You know, we finally sat down at the Hampton House, that's the house which Chairman Fred grew up in.

And we talked to script writers, producers, you know, Shaka King, Will Burson, Ryan Kuglup, his wife, Zensi, Charles King, Macro. That's who worked in conjunction with Warner Brothers. So it was like a tug and pull process. And the deal is, in so many cases, the movie industry, the music industry, our schools, every, you know what I'm saying, the foreign merchants in our community.

It's like they come through in our community, you know what, with a position, like, this has gonna go, that's it. And deal is, you know what I'm saying, when they come to this legacy, you know what I'm saying? A legacy is more important in our life. A legacy is more important than our life because we got a certain amount of time

to physically be here. but legacy service as a template or prototype, how we're going to move forward. So again, we back and forth and finally get to the stage where we're at right now. It was, you know, it was a lot of struggles, principal struggles, you know what I'm saying? On the set, I still wake up at nighttime right now,

jumping up, cut, stop, you know what I'm saying? But no regrets. And I just got worried now about some of the awards and the nominations and, you know, acknowledgement. But that the deal is something that all parties involved, you know what I'm saying, from the cast, Daniel Kulia, Dominique Fishback,

the other, Algae, audience, and LeKeefe Stan for others. And even on the soundtrack, Brother Raq Kim and others, man, you know what I'm saying? Their position was, well, let's make sure, you know what I'm saying, that the family is respected.

We're real big about respect, you know what I'm saying? I come up in Chicago, a city of structure. And in fact, Chicago was one of the last cities that the government was able to bring crack cocaine in. They had to, you know, kill Fluggy Stokes and lock up Chief Malik for him, you know, Jeff Ford, for it because it's checks and balances you know so you just can move a certain way

and I'm held accountable so even with the initial proposal with the script there were certain other entities other organizations other individuals that were not respected and like people say man why are you tripping about other organizations but like the ecosystem the balance you know what I know we're dealing with the generation lot of people deal with subjectivity in other words all they see is how they view but I'm real big you know what I'm real big about respect and so it was a lot of tug and pull to get to the stage in the game yeah So what's it like having to, like you said, wake up every day and defend that legacy

or try to further it, push it, preserve it? Not only defend it, but also bring light to others. Right, because a lot of, like this movie brought a lot of light. It's a generation of kids that don't know. They don't know. Even the shit they said in the movie is just a piece of it, the G-rated version, the part that they comfortable enough to talk about. They don't know how raw this real situation in.

Real talk. They don't know what this means. Real talk. Let me go with the latter part of what you just asked. You know what I'm saying about, and that's something that I don't, a lot of people really, like, a lot of cats ask me, you say, why I don't know about Chairman Fred, why I don't know about the black people in the part? I said, are you really, are you really, do you really want to answer to that? You know what I'm saying?

Because, one, it's, it's embarrassing, being oppressed. It's embarrassing that our community, you know what I'm saying. We're so terrorized. that we're terrified of even acknowledging it. You know what I'm saying? We try to jive ourselves. We try to use euphemisms. The system gives us us univism.

Other communities, other people, they have the advantage and disadvantage of what we call an acknowledged war. The knowledge war is like in Nazi Germany. They say terms, they acknowledge that under the tenure of the Fuhrer, Adolf Fiddler, administered propaganda,

global, that they created the ghettos. The script has been flipped to make us that we created the ghettos, it's not community. Other communities, they used charge like propaganda bombs. They acknowledge their political prisoners. Our community, we don't know about the Mumia Abu Jamal's, Sunday out of college, Richelso, Kim McGee's, the C-Num,

your brother, sister down the street, political prisoners. So that's embarrassing. And so the next logical question is why we don't know about this here. And, you know, even family members are some of the people who depicted in the movie, who didn't know about the contributions.

It's set in the breaking process that happen to our people. The way the Chairman Fred, the way the defense got to Mara Clark, the way they were assassinated, now stress that term, assassinated, it was strategic. It was images of Chicago police bringing his body out. You know what I'm saying? Around the 4.35 in the morning, they were chanting, chairman of afraid is dead. Similar to the, during the era of shallow slavery. A pregnant sister would run away from a plantation. They just didn't go out there and kill her. They went and got her. Brought her back. Brought her back. Real talk, bro. You brought her back still a stomach open in front of the masses of people scompton

fetus of death this is still terror to terror the terror by the masses horror to horror for the mass it broke generations to come it was a time in South Korea I forgot who's under whose tenure it was but they would say you would lock you up you thought you's gonna get out it's an aunt we're gonna hold you for your child and your grandchild the weed up out of you the position three generations three generations and people pass down trauma and also people pass down punkism, you know what I'm saying? Don't do that, don't ask that question.

You know what I'm saying? It's not even thought about. And a lot of our people also do we don't anything that we're worthy of being assassinated. Now even with this script, you know, things that you take for granted. You see, like the term, chairman, we struggled for that. When I was in Ireland, with the delegation,

with the free woman, Abu Jamal, with Minister of confrontation, Pam Africa, Ramone Africa, this is the move organization. This is a lot of people think the government, the United States, that just dropped a bomb in Libya. They're like, I can't believe the government dropped the bomb. Not knowing about 1985. Fairly. May 13th, come on, man. May 13, 1985, when the U.S.

government, he was a Negro, Wilson Good, to drop a bomb on our people, on our community, on the move family. So to put that in context, up to the ante, to call that question, to put in this, we said, the political context, you know what I'm saying? We're told, don't talk about that, you know what I'm saying, don't you acknowledge that. And I think with the alcohol is anonymous, they said when the first step in addressing the problem, recognized that you got a problem, you know what I'm saying?

Sonsu says in the out of war, the cardinal principle of warfare is know thyself and know thy enemy. That's the first step. You said, before you move forward, know thyself and know thy enemy. So back to the heart of the question, it's a blessing and it's a burden.

I'm not going to romanticize this, man. You know, I've been in school suspended for just writing about Chairman Fred. You know what I'm saying? I've been placed in isolation for having articles about who Chairman Fred is, you know what I'm saying? And this is something that, you know,

other entities, other organizations, other walks of life have a quote-unquote luxury to talk about it. At the funeral services for Stanley Tuckie Williams, co-founded the Crips, when he had left and we went down to Lamarra Park, I had said something to the effect that Tuckie Williams had grew up in the climate like I grew up in,

deprived of an organization such as the Black Panther Party. What the only, quote, unquote, option has given to us is to become a Boy Scout or a Bangor. I said, never again on my watch. You know what I'm saying? Now let's your cup of tea, so beer, But this is, like, I'm a situation one time. The sister, she had just come from Haiti.

And so cats were hustling on her porch, out east, south-east of Chicago. So she had contacted us. We went out there, and we had dealt with it. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to leave it at that. You know what I'm saying? Right.

We dealt with it. So she said, I can't really figure you out. She said, you read books, you knowledgeable, but she said, what are you at? It's a political thug or whatever. Even two parts. The podcast can't understand. Like that came someone to Tupac.

They can't understand. I love for the people. My mother said, my mother said, Tupac needed an organization. The organization needed Tupac. You know what I'm saying? In the Black Panther Party was an organization that turned the communities into classroom.

They're just engaging with Chairman Frey called intellectual masturbation. In other words, it's a whole bunch of walking talk. You know what I'm saying, in theory. Lail cats are told me they want to join our organization, the Black Panther Party Cubs. They said, okay, this ain't no YouTube sensation. It just ain't no talk. You gotta go do a certain amount of what we call Cub community service.

You got a certain amount of what we call Cub community service. You got to serve the people. You've got to make mistakes. You've got to tie a theory into practice. Because a lot of people engage in what we call uncontested conditions. In other words, they say stuff, it's like a shadow boxer. A shadow boxer said, man, I'm a champ. You ain't got in the ring with nobody.

A lot of cats tell me, man, I ain't never told them to the police, man. I said, shit, police never asked you nothing. You know what I'm saying? With us, our membership is contested, you know what I'm saying? And like, we're going, we're going, we're going, it's some vegetation being planted right now. now, even with this clamor, the coronavirus. You know what I'm saying?

Even right now, they're talking about who's out in Mexico. A lot of people see it as an advantage that the Biden administration is taking these children from Mexico, you know what I'm saying, and holding them in these different homes. But it's produced a different type of Mexicano community, you know what I'm saying? Those who are no parents, you know what I'm saying? And we want to have real talk. No, under George Bush Jr.'s tenure, they said one time in Iraq,

over 78% of the population was under 17 years old. And you got a whole generation that don't know what happened before them. A breeding ground for reactionaries. In our country, there's a lot of kids a reactionary. They don't know what happened before, you know what I'm saying?

See, one of our matches for our organization is we're the great-grandchildren of Garvey, the offspring of Malcolm, and the Culls of Panthers. We don't think this is no new dynamic about us being oppressed. Even before this, even now,

We're in a client we call Reactionary Clowning. Prior to this, look at the faces a lot of them young brothers and sisters, the police rat up on them. They'd be literally shocked. The police don't, you're getting down on, I can't believe the police shot my son and my daughter's 15-10. This is what they do.

The birth, see, you're going to let me get the birth of something. The slave, the birth of the police with slave patrols. That's what it was created for us. You know what I'm saying? See, sellout is one of the most overused terms in our community. And I came to a man, son said, sold us. They sold you out.

Through the door, that's what it was about. You know what I'm saying? If you go, it's not telling you had to question yourself, what was in you, or better it, what was not in you, that you went for certain things. If you go to the pet store, you got, you know what I'm saying, you go buy a goldfish, you bring it back, you throw a leash on it, and you say, I wonder why this motherfucking dog, why they're barking.

It's a goldfish. You know what I'm saying? It's a, it's a movie on OJ Simpson. The kid who grew up with him, talked about. He said, man, we were children in grammar school. He said, man, the superintendent, they take us down. We're shooting dice in the bathroom. They took us down to the office.

He said, the superintendent, he's leaving. OJ is a child, walked out with him. He said, where are you going? He said, he left the students, his colleagues with it in the office. He'd go with him. Bob Hobbit, speaking, I think, at UCLA, he showed, all the stuff that's going

to all the uprises that's happening all over the country. And he showed you, OJ was at that time. time. This week has been consistently, you know what I'm going to? He will never connect it to the community. You know what I'm saying? And this is not when we come in with a react, when I mean by reactionary, like you come in, uh, watching the Freddy or Jason movie, part seven in the middle of the movie like, man, why they beating up Jason? Do you know the, do you know the history of this motherfucker? Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? So the deal is, we come with an objective analysis,

not, you know what I'm saying? You never hear me say the police killed my daddy. You never hear me say that. You do hear me say the United States government assassinating the chairman fred that's object that's the objective reality you know what i tell when the police killed people in chicago and in another color house community they approach no families they say look stay away from hampton stay away from black panther party cubs here's your organization here's your artist that's going to do a song for you they give it to them you what i'm saying and people say chairman how do you know which uncle going to sell out how you know which mother they're going to put on the tv i said i study my own family i don't cut no corn you know what you're saying is we

Chairman Mousie Towns say combat liberalism. And I tell when we come in, so we don't relate to, this is a term we refer to as culture, nationalism. Well, I would say, you know, we're all black people come together, get your dashikis and your green juice. We don't relate to that. We use a philosophical tool known as

dialectical materialism. What that means is we use common sense and logic. You know what I'm saying? Say, man, what's the emo with this person? You know what I'm saying? Not just, regardless of what their color is, see, Kimio Song in Korea, North Korea. He up to the United States said,

no, those in South Korea, they rhyme with you. They ran with the Yankees. In Vietnam, Ho Chi men, you know what I'm saying? Ho Chi men, the Gia, they said, man, hold on. We're not on Vietnamese people, there's different interests. In the Black Panther Party, they up the ante, they heightening their contradictions, you know what I'm saying? And it's a reason why I can't even know who

Chairman Fred is. It's a reason why I can't know who authored the Rainbow Coalition. It was Chairman Fred who authored the Rainbow Coalition. You know what I'm saying? There's a soundtrack on the Judas and Black Messiah with Rod Kim told him, he says, This is who authored the Rainbow Coalition. A lot of people thought Jackson did.

To Reverend Jackson. You know what I'm saying? Because the states say they can't stop it, co-opted. Watered down. Change it, makes something to be. Chairman Frey, in the city of Chicago, was, it remains to be one of the top segregated cities in the country. Right.

He dealt with the race and the class contradiction. So I just want to deal with the race question. You know what I'm saying? So we don't cut no corners. We don't care whether it be Uncle Sam or Sambo. The Green or Negro, whoever it is, whoever your last name is, whatever your religion is, we don't cut no corners.

He up there and who he took to which meetings. He studied that. Chairman Fras, the Revolution is a scientific art that must be perfected. It wasn't based on this is my homie. This is my friend, you know what I'm saying? He took the young patriots, a group of poor whites from Appalachian Mountains.

They were so reactionary to the time they wear Confederate flags in their jackets. The doctor said, man, don't talk to the racist white people. He was a realist. See, the organization question is a phenomenon in Chicago. Minister UEP Newton, the visionary of the Black Panther Party, co-founder of the Black Panther Party, along with Dele Chapman, Bobby Seale.

You've been envisioned that. He said, power. Power is the ability to define phenomena and make it act and desire matter. Power is the ability to define phenomena and make it act and desire matter. What is a phenomenon? Phenomenal is an unusual event that could be scientifically explained. Case in point. Reverend Nett Turner was a realist.

He put his in to the ground. He said, what's phenomenal? As a serving of people. He said, what is phenomenal with these cats? The church. And obviously, oh, this is not our religion, you know, so we come from America. He said, okay, in the meantime, between time,

I'm gonna deal with the real world. You know what I'm saying? Cause we relate to another saying, we say, God created Africans in America made niggas. We say the mayor and the machine manufactured Shirek. So Reverend Natch Turner said, okay, D, this is a phenomenon. Praise the Lord, passed admonition. Harriet Tubman put her ear to the ground,

seen what they call a Negro spirituals. It was a phenomenon. She defined it. So, okay, I'm gonna work this number. When the sun went out, I'm even by the water. Use that. In Chicago, Chairman Fred put his in to the ground. He said, I'm gonna define it.

This ain't nothing new about us having organizations. He defined it and said, let me win certain points of unity. He politicized the formerly known devil disciples. When they came up public, said, we now renounced something known as a black disciples due to the political education we see him Chairman Fred Black Panther Party. You've seen the Black Stone Rangers

take more of a nationalist and stand because of Black Peachton Nation. He was even able to flip the script as the FBI. This is a document. It's a book called Up on Madison, Down on 17th Street by John L. Rice. Where the FBI had told the vice laws, they'd get him 16th Street. If they stopped the Black Panther Party for open the free medical center on 16th Street. Now, a lot of the kids say, I can't believe that.

Why would the government do this? If you believe the government, the mayor, the police, who want to stop crime in your community, you believe Don King want to stop boxing. It's done by design. So he subsequently warned the vice laws to work at the Free Medical Center. Even by the government's own records, that was what they call a record load. They called black one black crime. And even, it's comedy.

Let's talk about comedy. Because I times people have, they think politics is just something separate, detached from the community. It was an atmosphere that up to any. It was a different type of athlete. It wasn't fight about that fight to get us another quarterback on the field. The script was flipped. The script was flipped. The script was flip.

Well, athletes say, I'm out of it. How could I support the movement? It wasn't flip. It wasn't vice versa. when you fight to give me a job, mom and Ali taking those stams with you line with the people, you know what I'm saying? It was an atmosphere where the anie was up.

You know what I'm saying? With James Brown, who had a totally different song playing there first, real talk. H-R-Rap Brown, you know, it's a crime in anybody in Atlanta in particular to know who that is. Who's kidnapped out from West to West End who's locked up right now, known as Emil Jimil Alameen. Who's just, they told me, the document was going blind

right as we speak. A-R-R-Rown, literally drove down with James Brown. Man, you better go back in the studio with that garbage, you know what I came back out to him, black and I'm proud. He couldn't have pulled that stuff they pulled it on in the Rocky movie with the red one way of new draws

until we live in America. You know what I'm saying? It was a climb with Marvin Gaye was it would go against Barry Gordon's and I'm going to put this song at what's going on, whether you like it or not. It was a climber. You know what I'm saying?

Realty. Malva Gay, real tone. This would make these cats stick out. Why do you think like in the hip-hop industry? You know what makes Nipsey Hustle in Park unique, you know what I'm saying? This ain't a one-night stand in this politics.

It transcends in the racing, you know what I'm saying? When I first man, Nipsey, Huss, we were backstage around 2011, 2012, Sacramento. I'm a little distance from them. I see the chain, I said, down, I say, here we go again. I'm thinking it's the time, the white Jesus was a big thing. So I get closer, whoa, whoa, hold on, this ain't, this is something different. It's Malcolm X on this chain. I said, man, you're familiar with Chairman Fred Hampton?

He said, Chairman Fred Hampton, Jr. What type of man would I be if I know who Chairman Fredhampton was? This politics does. This shit I could... This is cold in the Jenny Craig commercial. You know what I'm saying? The before and after. You know what I'm saying?

It ups the anarchy. That's why he had to assassinate 21-year-old Chairman Fred. That's why they had to come up the Black Panther Party of everything, including the kitchen scene. Real talk. Because it's up the ante. See, it's between a war and a revolution. A war is two occupying armies. They suit up and they boot up and they get out and they get out.

A revolution, when you gain the mass and participation, the masses of the masses of, the people. It was a different type of a prostitute under the whole chie men in Jop in Vietnam. Prostitutes in Vietnam it was different of a bumbo bee. The Vietnamese would take the bumbo bees and train them come out of bamboo sticks with American soldiers to know if they were shooting that bees or the Vietnamese. The prostitutes would say yeah I'm taking the American soldiers to bed I guarantee he won't get up in the morning. It was a different dynamic you know what I'm saying it was a climb in the 60s where the enemy was up where you

see when the Sada's a crew was on when she was underground on the run people they call scorched earth, spray paint. A solid, you're welcome to come out here. It was a climate where William Thoreau sent in civil disobedience. Where the people said, in the unjust society, the only place for a just man, I'm going to paraphrase, a just man or a just woman, was prison. We were clear. It was a climate where you didn't say terms like, when somebody said, man, you heard a little Joe got locked up? You wouldn't have no reaction and response like, what do you know what I'm saying?

You was clear. You're going to say the road to the police, there's an occupancy. Ain't a wall of George, no, ain't a wall of guns and the war on gangs. It's a war on us. As Minister European News said, if we don't fight back in me, to find nothing less than reactionary suicide. It's climbing right now. This movie, you know what I'm saying?

This is, this is not a panacea. This is not an end all. However, look at the type of discussions that's happening now. Look at, I was showing this kid the other day in the studio. He's doing what you call up a bunch of intellectual masturbation. Well, the movie should have said this, the movie should say it there. They didn't say, man, it wasn't no cloak and dagger figure. They're telling you point directly.

Jagger Hoover. You know what I'm in the Billy Holiday movie last night. You know what I'm saying? The different dynamics is showing you how it's impacts our everyday life. That turned quarantine pro-counted intelligence program, not an organization say, just pull yourself out of the bootstraps. The only do what we do, we ain't remember, but nobody else. That's bad.

That's nonsense. It's a war being weighs on us. See, you impact it. You know what I'm saying? You can't have a discussion. Like, a lot of other black organizations, other people can't understand when we go through. You know what I'm saying? See, Billy Holliday had a different dynamic, the Ella Fitzgerald.

You know what I'm saying? She wasn't targeted because of no dope. See, you put in context of dope. That was common back then. But she was targeted because of her position, her stance. You know what I'm saying? The Black Panther Party just faded away because they had issues with gender. You're talking about an organization.

Then at that time, where people didn't know if Pat, you know, what Pat Nixon was, that was, that was right? Richard Millhouse, Nix's wife. They didn't even know if she could even, she was even able to speak. I mean, literally. The Black Panther Party had women in leadership. Deborah Johnson, that wasn't just Chairman Frey's wife.

That was his comrade. She was ranking file. Remember the finance committee, Lieutenant Barber Sanky, the Finance Committee. Nipsey Hustle, excuse me, Nipsey Russell, excuse me, Nipsey Russell. The community, Nipsey Russell. I told, matter of if I told Nifty Hustle about this here,

Mr. Russell made a joke about this. He said, my mother. My mother to be. He said she's about seven months pregnant. He can't add it on to some, you know, tied into it. So even comedy is political. He Nipsey Russell said, he'd come this late.

She's seven and a half months pregnant. She walked on, she comes to meet them after the show. She got these bullets, these bandoliers across her chest. He said, she told him I donated to some money to the Black Panther Party. I didn't give no money, I ain't given no money for no guns. He said, by went the next day and put an envelope on the door for the Black Panther Party Free Breakfast Program. Tell me about that free breakfast program, because that's one of the

because that's one of the most notable things than knowing from. You were actually there as a, you know. The free breakfast program, and it was in the, it was one of the genius, it was one of the genius programs of the Black Panther Party. Politics is like real estate, time, like even

to hit you in the morning, to hit you, like, you hear a different story about our people, like Malcolm X would impact him in sixth grade. The hit certain, like, our community, like, you know, So, first of all, let me preface with this. We damaged goods, all of us, our people, we damage goods. But a lot of people don't understand who damaged them.

You know what I'm saying? A lot of people think black men done it, black woman done it. I know who the damage is. I know what the, when I go to speak players, oh, here he comes. You're from blame the government, blame the system. And we do.

And we do. This, everything you tie into, it got pig hoof prints on it somewhere, believe me. The Burface program, The time they put out for the people. You come in there, it was a program for the people. The Black Panther Party seemed that our children in particular were going to school and their graves were not up to par.

They had to call for no current commission, no study. You know what I'm saying? And then people say, man, anybody that's going to school that's hungry, it's hard to do an addition problem. It's hard to do something to my nouns and, you know what I'm saying, pronouns. They just didn't do it where, say, oh, that's, you know, man, it's wrong with the system doing it. They put programs. And it wasn't programs like engaging, they're going to save you.

They put the programs out, and the people themselves would come on and start supporting and engaging the program. Chairman, you see, Stephen Biko, on the view, Stephen Biko was in a black conscience movement. In fact, it's a movie called Cryer Freedom, Desair Washington portrays him. Stephen Friott. Stephen Biko says black people in particular must distinguish intelligence from the ability to articulate. Big difference. Do that again with that? Black people in particular. must grasp the ability

to distinguish intelligence from the ability to articulate. What that means is, a lot of the time they give our community a whole bunch of intellectual monkeys through a bunch of fancy words and terms, but there ain't no common sense to it. The people are very intelligent.

Chairman Fred said the Black Panther Party have a free breakfast program. The police pull up on them. They say, hey, are you for capitalism? So say, whoa, whoa, no, no. Chairman Fred's said, that's not cool. Police say, what about socialism? So I said, you know what? I really can't debate with those words and terms.

And then police said, what about this free breakfast program? So let's say, this was feeding my babies. If you attend domestic, we'll blow your brains out. You know what I'm saying? The people are very intelligent. But after we get intelligence mixed up with the ability to articulate, you can't black people to play free breakfast program. The only prerequisite, the only criteria was that you're hungry.

Everybody says, why are your last name different than your day's last name? You know what I'm saying? None of that was necessary. Osala Shakur, talking about her book, Osama, it was a young brother in the breakfast program, he was stuffed with some pancakes in Harlem, in the Harlem branch in his pocket. And she said,

little brother, you can never steal from this. This is your program. You know what I'm saying? See, we up the end, it's the difference between rioting and rebellion, stealing and liberating. See, terms are important. So it wasn't no charity, and for you know, the people started running these programs. You know what I'm saying? We are our own liberals. A lot of

organizations, not an individual to tell you, they'll come back and check in with them. See, Minister Eupinu said there's a difference to a revolutionary and a hero. A hero does something. You say, wow, that's crazy. I can't do that because, you know what I'm saying? But a revolutionary, say, man, I can relate to that.

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Hmm. Or some of the parts that you were impressed by. You know, we had a lot of struggles. Let me say this. There was some, like even something, and there were certain things that could not be said because we didn't have a time and space. Because I would say, couldn't this movie tell us

all what the Black Panther Party was? I said, you can't put no shark in no fish tank. You know what I'm saying? This is a movie. And also, in the movie industry, they call a period piece. You know, period piece, you know, everything got beyond point from what Coca-Cola can you have around,

you know what, there'd be a period of time. Also, this is what we call a relevant piece. In other words, we still are dealing with these issues. We still have Jerry Odinger Dunnigan, prison number, C-1-8-58-9, still locked up, directly impacted by William O'Neill. We still have Brother Griggs, who was electric shot by William O'Neill, the agent of a coup d'all. Still, the verdict is not out.

And also, William O'Neill was not the only Asian McIntyre tour. So you've got to be real careful in how we bring out a certain contradiction. You know what I'm saying? So it was certain, let's go at the meeting. We had to put the certain things to say, hold on, that organization, the actual organization could not be depicted because the movie would be incapable of expressing the details of that meeting.

And I recall saying, you know, at the particular meeting that some, you can't keep in mind that we impacted by this system and with a sister going in at that meeting, you know what I'm saying, with the party, it can be like a front to this other organization. So, you know, Niger and others,

Charles and other, Ryan, we sat down, Chaka, we're all versus, we back and forth. And subsequently, that part played out.

And I'm glad about that. I'm glad that stayed with it. Because something, I didn't tell my mother one time, I said, you know what? Maybe me and you are kind of subjective. Things that I take for granted,

that people know or have examples of, they don't know. A lot of you have never seen the gender contradiction. Men and women work together without having a relationship. It's mind-blowing to me. You know what I'm saying? See, in Revolution, you might have to be in a foxhole with a sister. You know what I'm saying? And you can see it with the state.

You see, like, you watch movies called Blue Blood. The TV shows are called Blue Blood. You don't, you see the police say, okay, you're riding in a patrol car with that person. Nothing, your mind doesn't automatically go to, oh, they fooling around. when it comes to our people we cannot even fathom a structured organization dealing with each other

you know what I'm saying? Structurally You know what I'm saying? With a principle So that was one of the good points You know what I'm saying? Also Like one of the chester was shooting out through the window with the police With that scene we actually had back and forth About because initially you had us shoot

the first you know what I'm saying We said hold on it came Because man you the first name for the black panda party Was the black panther party for self-defense Right That's important to put in context Because see, when the police beat you, they're trained to say stop resistant. You'd be confused.

You're like, damn, he beat me down. You know what I'm saying? That's illegal. But the politics of it, they say stop resisting. On their door, I say, serve and protect, you know, I know I just seen them with their knee on the neck of this George Floyd. I know I've seen Derek Chauvin killing this man. But the serving with tech kind of confuses me.

You know what I'm saying? See, everything is political. you know what I'm saying not just is the schools and you if you Google if you Google say police killed somebody you'll be you can't find it you will say you can find um George Floyd passed away as a result of so you know you know what I'm saying it's never saying straight up murdering it's weird you know what I'm saying it impacts you differently you know what I'm saying now you can find a little G killed such such you know you find that you know what I'm saying

so it impacts you how you even view the police you know what I'm saying so even the imagery of showing that the police were attacking a party. You had three major shooting attacks on the Black Panther Party headquarters in 1969. That scene was depicting July 31st, 19669. Chairman Fred was locked up at that time. And the Chicago police was attacking the Black Panther Party headquarters. They would come in, they would burn the breakfast program supplies, you name it. But that attack, it's important to put out that they were attacked. And people say, it doesn't make a big difference. It does make a big difference. It does make a big difference. difference.

You know what I'm saying? They were defending themselves. Spurge and Jake Winners. That's who Chip and Fred want to be named after them. Defending themselves. So we think we're just reactionary, you know what I'm saying? And you want to be corrected about this whole discussion. Anything that we do, even if we think it's reactionary.

We, like people say, man, I know you tripping, man, police kids, your daddy. No, they, this system, they drew first blood. It put a gun on my mother's stomach. That's the prenatural care I got. One of no Dr. Steffatford School placed on me. The prenatural care I get was Chicago. can i get was chicago police department revolved with places on her stomach this first of all all black people should get a uh uh uh what you call this is a weapon no no no no

no weapon no no what they call now about um they call it award they um they say um so uh novel peace prize all black people should get Nobel peace prize the fact that we ain't snapped out of you know just this same man we just didn't snap me real talk you said it's come through the monse man they did Nobel Peace Prize right you know what I'm saying so to put it a historical context, but also this is an organization that they get up in the morning and I figure out how are we going to shoot out the police? They got in the morning, how are we going to feed at least 3,500 children

in the week in Chicago? How do Mr. Doc Satchel? How can we get the ambulance working the free medical center? How are we going to do the sick of anemia testing? That was the motivation for the program. You know what I'm saying? They were attacked and they defended themselves as death of the health, Ronald Doc Satchel said. Yeah, we are armed.

We are armed propaganda unit. And see, a lot of bogus counterfeit individuals, they jump up. They romanticized revolution. See, leather jacks and berets or whatever, you know what I'm saying? See, Minister UEPN said that we must even politicize the gun. What makes our gun different to the police gun? We had a situation in Flint, Michigan.

So we're from the people with the water, the chemical biological warfare in the water. We designated our troops to go down there, the Black Panther Party Cove Caravan. That's what it was called. Before they went down there, we had a political education. In fact, our deputy field boss, that's who they had the delegation down there. When we got down there, we had the water. Now, National Guard, they have more water than us. But what made our water different than National Guard?

Like we said, we don't make it different. Why don't we get water? Now, the politics. So National Guard, let's get your name, let's get this here. And later on, you've seen the warrants coming down for people tomorrow with your immigration status. If you had a warrant. You know what I'm saying? See, everything is political.

We gave the water, man, you need water. No strings attached. Huh? No strings attached. Right. It's political. The breakfast program. See, lots of them to say, I don't hear a political.

little stuff. Unicle. See, under I got a saying in the 60s, niggas needed Nixon. Nixon helped force catch to come to grips with the politics. See, under the climate of John F. Kennedy, the same John F. Kennedy, the same President John of Kennedy

that was at the end of that movie, that Billy Holiday movie. Give it an award to the FBI agent that attacked Billy Holliday. The same John F. Kennedy that had, was responsible army tanks going through south side of Chicago. on Detroit, Michigan. Same John F. Kennedy on this tenure there was assassinations him after assassinations

on him on Commer, Dr. F. Castro. Same John F. Kennedy was the response to the Peace Court, but it was a class peace. The same John F. Kennedy that told his brother, Robert F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, you authorized for the wiretap on Dr. King. Mix and pulled the covers off, said, man, did this hit, man, campaign for law and on, it's going down. You know what I'm saying? So that's, lots of, we're in a client we call a reactionary claming now.

We can't at least acknowledge it. Like you're under Trump administration. I ain't pushing for no Trump thing. But it was acknowledgement. Police pull you over, you know what? I think you, because I didn't have a degree. Well, I'm a Virgo. No, Trump's not all, black, you're black.

We're in Puerto Rico. We threw the toilet, he said, all you're saying to me. So these contradictions, a lot of people can come to them under reactionary terms, you know what I'm saying? In the Vanguard party, you gotta be considered. We had a chapter down here in Atlanta, about 20 years ago. Black Party Cubs.

for different reasons you had to be pulled back timing you know what I'm saying like a relationship you're like man that was a good sister I wish I could be a little more mature

you could have worked it out so the clam see our organization the Black Panther Party Cubs we like the last call for alcohol people who they're here late on when it's

they're going to drink chopped in champagne but they say at the end when they're pulling their back to up and say man who is that they said what's them can's been serving y'all

all the time when it's not popular It was not fashionable. Tell me about the Hampton House. The Hampton House. That's a childhood on, which, well, before he was chairman, the house he grew up in. That's the house in, you know what I'm saying, we didn't found his coat there. That's the house in which, um, across the street is the elementary school, Irvin Elementary

School that he went to. We, you know, saying, we had to go do damage control. Before we fought to take the Hampton House on, I was in West Oakland. It's ironic, the brother just walked in. He said, from Oakland. He said, from Oakland. He said, he said, he said, West Oakland. That was significantly he said that.

That was the area where Minister Eupon, the heart, the first black into the heart of the headquarters is that. That's where the government salted the earth. That's what they pushed the drugs at. You know what I'm saying? The West House of Chicago, they put, they flushed it there, you know what I'm saying, in the Hampton House. They tried it with the Hampton.

I tried to put certain cats into the hustle. We had to go clean house. We said, man, not on my watch. The children went to the school at Irvin. A lot of children didn't even know who Chairman Fred was. And one time, the principal was related to some members of the Black Panther Party. Okay, they're gonna, why they don't know?

We heightened the consciousness of them cats. It was jokes made about the children. They said, man, they gotta get different shirt sizes. They chest start being. They said, man, we go, they were debating with each other. Is that the desk that he sat in? It changed the atmosphere. We had the park, then the Chairman Fred Hampton Park,

down the street, you know what I'm saying? Our programs, the Triple Cs, children, community and cubs, you come to free the food right there. You know what I was it? We correlate it to the Black Panther Party Free Breakfast Program. Free Amal Radio, we have every Wednesday. It's hosted by me, Chairman Frampton, Jr., and Lady of Rage.

Some of y'all probably know it's Baby Dee on Friday. Every Wednesday, tune in, every Wednesday, free on all radio. What about say it again? Free Amal Radio. Hose about Chairman Freehampton, Jr., Lady Rage, Baby D, Robin Allen. This every wind, 6.30 p.m. You can Google, pull it up. Ask Siri about it, you know what I'm saying?

So this is every Wednesday like clockwork. These are programs are coming right up out to Hampton House. This is significant. This is the, see, locations. are significant. It was strategic when Napoleon came through Egypt. He said, there 21 guns slew. Not that nose of their spinks. You know what I'm saying? The house

that was, this is the house of which he grew up in. So it's, it's, it's a morale build, you know what I'm saying? I sit there, to this day sometime. We brainstormed, you know what I'm saying? And we didn't get all, like, it was a cat, it's a TWL, the world's finest. They were young, they were into with each other out there.

They want to do a video shoot. I said, all right. Come on, we're talking, we've been in a studio out there right now. It's come to the Hapton House. They came, they called it a Vortex, one of the coldest days in Chicago history. I said, now we're going to the Cook County Jail and we're going to meet these cats. You know what I'm saying? They met the cats coming out of jail.

That's their video. The world's fine. It's called Free Amall. You know what I'm saying? I'll acknowledge I get some forces here with me today, too, because we deal for some all walks of life. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's a video.

It's not something we got free them all too. My nephew, Don P. You know, so we got a video shoot right there at the Hampton House. You know what I'm saying? The brother Robert Money, Chairman Love Movement because, see, a lot of cats be like, man, the revolution, everybody gets to suit them booted and just everybody, what they call the quote-unquote conscious community.

No, we did the people. You know what I'm saying? Like, wacko flock here came to Chicago one time, so I walked up to him. He said, whoa, whoa, he said, I heard you be here. He said, I heard you coming. He said, one second. So the brother behind him, you say, man,

this one years back. He said, this is the brother right here. So the brother came in something big deep, man. You know, they told me you'll be approaching because this thing we can call the code of culture. Black Panther Party cut a code, we owe cats accountable. We said too many of us and sing, same things for cats we told us, bling, bling.

You know what I said? We, on dayspelled block part, that's us on the stage. I ain't shouting on my homie, I'm talking to my political prisoners. You know, go check it out, you know what I'm saying? We owe, every, no, nothing more. We get the education ethic. Making a school, making a class project, talking about political, Muay-A-Bu-Jumal,

told me what I'm saying, an intoxication, a San Francisco, you know what I'm saying? We say, the Harriet Tubman cone. What that mean? You get out of jail? Reach back for others who are a captain. So then big deal, we're talking. He said, man, there's a joint called Adronis in Chicago.

So we had the joint that night. He said, man, he said, Chairman, how you be going backstage and doing what you did for artists? I said, I just can't drink no aquafina water, man. I got to deal with the good, the bad, and the ugly. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people deal with set conditions. They did with Robert Rules of Order. That's how you have a meeting.

You know, they came to say chairman. Because they have been state trained, state-made. state made you know what I'm locked up and joined this audience asked me is your organization sanctioned I said no I'm proud about it you know saying stop you don't you don't upset me because I won't run for officers in Chicago I said they can't make me they can't break me you know what I'm chairman Fred Hampton see that's it's empowering burn you burn that debt in the Irish Republican Army she said I remember this iron she's bad from the United States she's the IRA

she said I don't meet you was a baby she said I remember you was a baby you had a necklace on your neck with a bullet around it. She said, I remember Minister of Health, Doc Satchel. See, he was the Minister of Health, not because the CDC said it. Black Panther Party said it, you know what I'm saying? He was a chairman of the Black Panther Party, not because of Mayor Dedy said it. The people said, Deborah Johnson was his wife, his comrade. See, a lot of people came later on to Oliver Stone said,

man, you think the government killed Kennedy? Yeah, I think so. Malcolm told you when they first went down who did it. But I said, we can't believe it until the, you know what I said? Before this movie came out, my plan was. was give me a white puppet and go on tour and just started saying listen man so kessie man you heard what that puppy said dude we can't believe nothing you know what I'm saying this movie has helped the conversation man right yeah so I was telling the guy

I know I got tired okay let's make sure I mentioned a couple cats bro I don't want to cut you off but that's what I was saying I want to get some more you're gonna curfew I just wanted to get some more your reactions yes sir actual film yeah before we bring some I got yes sir I'm with you it's all it's all love so love you know you brought the family. Can I add some black popper? I ain't seen the movie yet. You know what I ain't seen it?

Stop an interview. I ain't seen the movie yet. Okay, man. God damn, I got some questions. Go check it out before they banned it. Listen, man. I bought it. I ain't seen it.

Go see, listen, man, listen. What we did is we put some Panther Cove political pills in the alpha sauce. It's certain things that we put in that. You know what I'm saying? Here you see, wherever in that tunnel was going on the tour, the lady on the platform. lady on the plantation her brother said man hold on man dude stop what did you let the dude go speak around for right she said he just pre-preaching a good word he said no there's a different

dynamics going on here right you know what I'm saying this so you look at the after effect you know what I'm saying this this is this is a guy who's a guy named marie 10 next to my mother house we stay in and most joining my life we stayed there this guy knew me since I'm three years old he would it'll be issues with him and his lady at the at the at the house they stayed next door. They didn't get into it, police come over there, but all you hear the police on their walkie talkies. You're about the Hampton house.

You don't be afraid of where he's he at? And I would tell you, I said, man, listen, man, this is not about you? Why do you think 15 police cars probably for a domestic case with you? Oh man, they know I don't play, you know what? Flatten himself. It really, the target was this here.

It took this movie film and finally, said, man, I see why you would ban me from the block. You know what I'm saying? I said, man, you're a security risk, Jack. You know what I'm saying? This client, a lot of people don't even know the dangers that they do, you know what I'm saying? See, it's an arrogance. I have no problem with ignorance. We have an issue with arrogance and ignorance. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people deal with subjectivity. The world revolves around them. We did with dialectical materialism. Your actions impact other people's actions. This movie is a man, man, catch, it's certain things that's in there. This character's all this and that. One brother called me, say, well, I wish the movie would have talked about Chairman Fred's International Impact. I see, man, I say, let's be, let's have an honest discussion, bro.

You're the same one. You do independent movies in Chicago. On your own volition, you did a whole movie about President Obama. When I ask you to do a snippet about Chairman Frey, you said, man, I ain't touching that. Let's be upfront about this here. You know what, you know what, this ain't no safe subject, man. It's a reason. We know what to talk about in school.

Let's be up front of us. We know what I'm saying? We know what I'm saying? So it's certain things we got to put in there. I can't even see it coming, you know what I'm gonna deal with all them. Last time I was up here a few months back. Just kept up here, a black youngster. He comes, he'd go downstairs, so I can't, I'm in some of the gas studio.

He said, Chairman Fred, you're going down there? There's no doubt about it. Cut the smoking air thing. You know what I'm saying? I'm studying the people. I'm a servant of the people. It ain't about me. You know what I'm saying?

Now, you ask a woman, what she'll do what she'd do for a child, you should give a different answer. What I would do what I do for the people? You don't what I'm saying, a different dynamic. So we get out now. You see? That's all 2021. I put that political pill in there.

Like that said, man, you're dealing with this. This is it, man. Before I got back to Chicago that night, then Yelston said, man, call it. Man, chairman, we heard that. Because men as you read as people do not read as much we would like for them to read. So we can be innovative with our tactics. You know what I'm saying? See, Larkas gets stuff laid out there to them.

Here you go. Bam, this is your organization. That's your funding. That's this. You nine to five. You get in, you clock out. out not us not us do it ever surprise you when like the newer rappers of the younger generation of rappers reach out to you to get some game on an album or

give you a slot on the tape or whatever like that I'm encouraged by because the deal is it's a climate because the deal is that fear has been passed down with it's a climate where I even let's go with that for example let's go to the scenario I just laid out to you the movement has been given a white eye It's been given, it's been told, like an elitism, like, you can't, if you do this, you can't involve in the struggle. You kept, like, Yonster, the situation. I just sitting down on me about five minutes, he said, you know what, man, I don't even

gonna smoke around you at first. He said, man, but you, you, you, you want us, you're the people, man. This is what he said. And so we pulled a piece of idea with Fakes, forming on Scarface, Ghetto Boys, pulled it up. It's a piece called Never, remix. He said, man. That shit so hard. You see, you see the remix?

Yeah, yeah. You see it? That last Scarface album that he did. But you see the remix of me, M.D.? I ain't seen that one. Oh yeah, but check it out. Check it out. Take the remix to me and did.

Gosh, I'm gonna fuck with it. So Black Johnson said, he said, oh, what you're doing? You were speaking on that? I said, no, no, no, I'm spending. He said, all, he'll do it with me then. So I said, you said, no word, get the pen and the peon and tie it in. You know what I'm saying? Because the deal is, there's not people looking for gift rap revolution.

Perfect allies, you know what I'm saying? But we, see, we, like a gardener. We study the ground. You know what I'm saying? The term sees the time. I'm like, okay, lock and low, go. It's moves that we had planned to do that here initially. I went through the process.

Likas, they thought they knew what the Black Panther Party was. You can't tell the smart cat, nothing. So I know, I know on a week hour before we're pulling in town, oh, man, they're counseled this event. So I'm used to it. I don't take it personal. So on a pivot, stick and move. That's how we moved.

Lodickett is used to be in the Caesar's palace, referees rules and regulations this is like they don't know rules and regulations us they come in there 4 3rd in the morning blasting

they put sick and all knockout drools inside the Kool-Aid they put Asian vocal tours a lot of cats are in the other arenas it's okay this is legal

we're gonna do this we're gonna lock you up you'll say you have a bail bar man they ain't dealing like that with us man that's that's a reality so I pivot

I stick the move I hit my office was my office the streets I touched down with my brother's name. Scapegoat. You want to plan for me and him to meet. Shout out to Scapego.

Shout out to Scapego. I touched down with him. I touch down with him. I touch down with these justice at Morris Brown College. He's going to do an event there. A lot of cats like, man, hold on. Where you at, man? This event.

Damn, we get down. I want to fight for the luxury to have that space in the arena. We can move on turns. But a lot of times people ask me, how many members do you have in your organization? I say, shh. Not a time to pay on how many people with police

that are murdered. People get involved in struggle one three ways. Inspiration, aspiration, and desperation. See, you're a Field Marshal George Jackson. Field Marshal George Jackson, born in the West Side of Chicago. For now, it was mandatory you get locked up. You ain't know who this was. Field Master for the Black Panther Party.

San Quentin. Field Mars, Joy, it's a book called Solidab, I recommend y'all to check out. And also, Blood of Mind. Check it out. He organized, had to join. Minister European, he heard about him when he's locked up. Later on, he sanctioned him to be field marshal for the Black Panther Party. He politicized his younger brother.

Johnlin Jackson, through the letters. John Jackson came up in the courtroom, Marion County Courtroom. That's when the Dodd's song. We said, walked him in the courtroom, get down. That's what he referencing. I'm sure you heard of Angela Davis. Johnlin Jackson, that's the case that she has, they said the weapons that he had was in her name.

John Lennon Jackson was up in the Marion County. Rochelson Q. McGee, they're up in the court with Marion County. Judge Heaney, ducked to take the shotgun to his neck and say, man, gentlemen, I'll be taking over from here. So we go on to the radio station, 16, 17 years old. 16, 17 years old. Say, gentlemen, I'll be taking over from here. We're going to the radio station to broadcast to the world

what's happening up inside these concentration camps. I said again, 16, 17 years old. came out the courtroom they gunned it down man Rochelle St. Q. McGee is still locked up right now as we speak, one of the longs your political prisoners. William Christmas, John McLean, held captive. They gunned

Johnson down. They referred to him as a young man child. You're going to say it was a different definition. It's August 7, 1970. August 21st, 1971, field marshal George Jackson and San Quentin was assassinating in San Quentin Prison Yard. Go put up the funeral service from Fieldmont's George Jackson.

Minister Yu-E came up in there, he said, man, Chairman Bobby Seale, Mr. Uri Pee knew and say, man, Fieldman George Jackson, don't bring no flowers, bring shotguns in my funeral. This man, they still talk about him in the prison, the prison records right now. This was, you referred to the Stumper Ground San Quentin. This should be mandatory. See, I told the Johnson one time, so y'all got all these Luchiano and Al Capone. I could go for it if you had nothing else. I'm doing real models.

I'm no role models. Real people that come from our community, man. You know what I can relate to us, man? He was giving a sentence for one to life for a person action. They said this cat was doing 10,000 push-shoulding, been solid. When this cat hit, man, man,

they targeted this cat. Check them out, man. They ain't got to sell this stuff sells itself, man. You know what I'm saying? That's what, man. You get the talking. I can't cut him off.

Welcome back to 385 South I ain't got nothing goddamn say. I'm scared of that. Look, check this out, man. We're gonna lead that as part one and we're gonna bring part two and bring some of the comrades. Sure, right.

So, um. Can I answer a question? Can I answer a question? So, I know you said you're the cook. Yeah. You're the cook. So like, how is it broken down? I know you're part of third-party generation

of the whole situation. Because I know me, lately I've been getting into my spiritual journey and I've been getting into my books and I've been being directed. being directed to some of you guys's, you know what I'm saying, stances. And I'm kind of more so for the people as well, so when I'm hearing you speak, I'm more so like, fucking right, hell yeah, you dig what I'm saying.

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from the Black Effect Podcast Network. Tune in on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. When was that moment when you realized this is what I got to do? Throughout my life, I felt this, right? You know, and I was talking to earlier, even in Yonston, when I speak, I remember when I speak, I was trying to hold my hands down because it was like in second nature to move my hands.

And I've seen footage of him, Chairman Fred speaking, moving his hands. I said, oh, man, it's the business. And, you know, but I was deprived, it was a, I said, I've been suspended from school for just talking about him, you know what I'm saying? And I had a, I was a proud of the political assessment, analysis, what happened to the black power movement? And I people say, well, the movement just died away.

No, no, no. It was military defeated. Iologically, it won. That means that to this day, people say, people said, love, admiration for black men in the party. And we had to fight, we still got to fight, we still have to fight for their legacy. You get real careful with this legacy, man.

It's a man, a lot of attempts to co-opt it, watered down. You know what I'm saying? The Cubs don't mean to be some young cats, man. We're the ideological offspring of the Black Panther Party. You know what I'm saying? This is it, man. You know what I don't know how long we're gonna be around, but we attempt to walk in their, not their footsteps,

but their Panther Paul steps. Our programs can be correlated to that, you know what I'm saying? And I'm gonna say, I'll be doing interviews with people, right? and see a lot of times there'll be questions to be commentaries that's really nice you know

this is no slight nobody black lies man I said what part did I say that? I said Black Panther Party

Cubs see the narrative see the narrative like um you know the words giving you who was this

you know that's your cup of tea so be it but man Park did it this hip man this this

this cloth the Black Panther Party Cubs you know what that's our logo right there man that's it That's it.

That's our logo, man. You know what I'm saying? We have ideology. It's where we walk. It's where we talk. You know what I'm saying? It's our dialogue, our turn. They're saying, church, we're so called.

It's our calling. You know what I'm saying? And see, it's a structure checks and balances. You know what I'm saying? See, contradictions. Ministers, U.E.P.U.E.P.U.E.P.E.P. They get us scared. They acknowledge contradictions.

Oh, man, we're all the same. There's, man, no community is like that. With the American Revolution, They tell you, everybody was told what Patrick Henry said, give me liberty, give me death. That's no. Thomas Jefferson told you what was going on with the American Revolution. One third was for it, one third was against it,

and one third one, whichever the wind blew. You know what I'm saying? We are realists, you know what I'm saying? There's some forces and support forces. I'm going to bring on line with you, you know what I'm saying? That we take every nook in the community. People say, well, I can't be no revolution in some sort of support. You know what I'm saying?

You're like, man, how you deal with this cat? You know what I'm saying? This cat, man. They're in this and this, this. We deal with the people. We are trying to draw a line of demarcation. Who are you with? The state of the people.

Now if you're Virgo or Scorpio, not if you're a Christian or Muslim, a cripple of blood, disciple stone. Who are you with, the people of the state? You know what I'm saying? So the Cubs, again, I'm a Black Panther Party club by birth and by battle. Again, by birth and by battle, man.

So I come from a structure as a contestant. They say, oh, man, that's his son, man. Okay, that's good. You're the chairman. Oh, no, no, they ain't how to go with us. Contested conditions. Let's see what they do in the Supermax Thames. Let's see what they try to buy them off for the assassination of chips on his life.

Now we're talking. You know what I'm saying? This ain't like no Egyptian dynasty like you just passed down to you. You know what I said? It's called contested conditions. I'm the chairman. We have an ambassador of international affairs. We have a minister, you'll say, we have a minister education.

We have structure, checks and balances, structure. Even with the movie, there was some strokes we had early on. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on. Say no rag-tag group of cats, this is my homie. It's structure, checks and balances. Well, let's bring some of the, let's bring some structure around here. Who we got with us today, man.

Got a few, got a few forces, man, you know what you can get my food, you know what I'm saying, you know what, bring the company around here, man. And this is just, you know what I'm saying, you got my nephew, this brother, this man, Don P. It's a piece he just released when we call a Cold of Culture, right?

Peace of Free Am All, right? Just, you know what I've been, man, this video, y'all check it. It was shot not only in the Hapton House, but also Oakland, California. Oakland, Chicago's sister cities. Also, also on deck, you know what I'm saying? His brother here, man, they get his upcoming event he got in April, he had every annually, man.

Brad dream, you know what I'm saying? Once again. We're off of money. He had, he's chairman of a love movie, you know what I'm saying? And I can say, like that. The love movement? He's brother. No, I've been here, I'm gonna like, damn,

they sexes it off for real. You can bring in the men? Real talk. Yeah, yo, yo, yeah, yeah. You're okay, sit there, yep, y'all. So yeah, he's coming here, so these are different forces in the community that we work with, you know what I'm saying? So we have support, a different fort, you know what,

so you can't limit us up, say, man, just them, knock them off, you be through it. It's a climate. Right. You know what I'm saying, it's an atmosphere that wherever you go, like, damn, I thought the cats ain't got no. What's up, G. It can't get no cup.

man, come and support us and the community. See, we say the people, that's our best security, you know what I'm saying? And people come in all walks of life, man, you know what I'm saying? And we don't come in those. Like the Bible says something like, you know, bring your weary your time. We've been in that. Bring us all, see, loggia in the state, we can deal with whatever contradictions. And we come through that, we got contradictions.

But some point of you into the struggle, man. That's what we deal with, man. We have the code of culture. You'll say, can we hear every looking credit? Some cats to see me that, oh, I'm gone. I got a tactic for him, all right. I hit him from the right, hit him from the left, nephew,

that we do the song. Oh, man, I'm gone. All right, Rob Monty, you know what, he's gonna be in there, you know what I'm saying? Bring us on stage. You're gonna hit a turn, free them all. Your barbershop, your pool hall, at your clubs.

You know what I'm saying? They last night, the joint last night, you know what I'm saying? Man, King of the rest of him, talking to A. Conner, you know what I'm saying? My brother, I guess, my brother, Slab, another catch. Wherever you go, you can't duck and down,

you're gonna finally say, listen, man, I ain't with it, I'm with the, you're gonna say you with the state, you're gonna say, with the people, that's it. Right, right, I'm with the motherfucking people. So you're right, so you're right. We got everybody in. Real talk.

O T, what's hat? Oh, this in love, brother, love, yes, up. Everyone laid that, okay, then. Let on. You did. Hey, y'all forgive me, you know, I gotta get back safely, and, you know.

I'm in Chicago, and I got a big event 420, week day, my birthday party and the award for the chairman of the day in Chicago. 420? Yeah, so I got to stay safe and get back, so no disrespect. No, good love, bro. My people I go back and cancel the show they're killed. You're in love, bro. You're good.

Welcome to the trail. You two guys, I mean, funny as hell. I love you, bro. You got good spirits. Okay, man, you're doing great job. Keep up the good work. Thank you. We appreciate that.

For the people throughout the first time I met him, no, I go up in. I can tap in with individuals if they're for the people. Right. First time I bump up here at both. When I, for my first week, I'll be out there with me. Yeah. Over there with more. Yup, and more.

And there's been since then. You see, the thing with the song, I mean the chairman did, see, I know in this day of times, it ain't what you say is how you're saying. So with you, when you're trying to be conscious or get them a history or something, you got to say it a certain way or they're going to shun it. So I try to put it in the way, put it in the way where I can explain the history I can explain exactly what happened with the chairman on the September 169 and explain George Jackson the

field master George Jackson Jonathan Jackson the minister who he knew mention all these names Marcus Garvey all these names that I mentioned in his home but put it in the way where they can understand and that's what I said on like I said the chair said we need to see the visual to them now the vision when you see what I'm saying and it's fast on the screen you can see the people I'm talking about it it's sinking in a little different you kind of understand what but like he said ain't nobody means no bull's name so I know I got to use my voice to recent youth in recent George,

because everybody ain't talking about that. Sometimes it ain't cool. What's right ain't cool sometimes. So we got about being cool. At this age of time, what's going on right now, that's why I went on when I was behind the wall and the chairman told me this, the movie, I already know what he'd been through and what he'd go through,

how many hours of sleep he'd lose and what type of fight he's doing every day. So I ain't got no choice but to get in the ring with him. The worst thing to do is go to war with some soldiers that don't know what we're fighting for. So I'm trying to give him the knowledge and let him know what the fight is and what we're fighting for. How are you gonna go to war?

With some individual, They don't even know what we're fighting for. You just get on the front line with me and just going, and you don't even know what the aim is, what the target is. You ain't got no knowledge. So I try to give them the knowledge

and implement that in my song. So they're like, man, see that, okay, now again. Because a lot of the stories have been walking up on me, like, man, bro, I didn't know who I looked up, woo, woo, I didn't know he did that. But you can't get mad at him. If you never brought it to him

or taught him that, how they're supposed to know it. So I made sure when I was behind the wall, I took enough time as I can to give it to the youth or give it to somebody and prevent them running the same brick walls I did. You know what I? You did, right.

Like, you found a way to relay the message in a way that they would get it. Exactly. You see what I'm saying? You said the wrong way they don't get it, they don't want to hear it. It's conscious rap. So I gave it to him to him where it's constant,

but it's like gangster, but whoa, oh, he's saying this, but I'm sliding it in, so I don't lose, I gotta keep him around. Right, you know, people go and look up. What he just said? What he just said? What he just said? Put that panther cup political peel in the apple sauce.

The apple sauce peel he told about. Mm-hmm. That's up. He said, he said, I was a story. He'd been putting that in me, so I was a story. He encouraged me out once a day. All color calls nobody. Telling nobody.

But I think that's the way everybody just keeps- Structure. We need structure. See, we got to compare liberalism, man. See, structure, we hate structure. You all see, it's ideal. I was doing on this commercial other day. I said a commercial, right? They told her, the lady said,

she told her children, eat the broccoli. And she said, oh, my, the children, y'all got stay in this, y'all eat the broccoli. And the next thing, she put some cheese on it. I said, well, let's cover. minds that come from. You know what I'm saying? Man, dear, we come from the clothe,

checks and balances, you know what I'm saying? I can't just say I'm the chairman. Oh, I'm his son. No, hold accountable. You know what I'm saying? We need structure. You know what I'm saying? Our community, because the deal is,

this system, man, they ain't cut no corn with us, man. You know what I'm saying? A criminal psychologist said behavior is affected by consequences. Behaviors affected by consequences. It's not what you can, it's certain cats that believe that I'm going to do this because I'm going to do this because I mean, well, man, it's repercussions the comfort.

Our community is so disrespected because people feel that the slum lawyers are told when they come from, merchants come in the country, do what you want to do them, sell them what you want to sell them, talk to how you want to talk to them, grab their young sisters and put them behind the glass at 15 years old and run amok. You know what I'm saying? Sell the garbage to them, the music industry. Go turn one of the white radio stations and try singing that garbage to him. The ending is up.

You say, hold on man. We all cast a, listen, man, we don't care, who would, man, listen. Man, they had this thing called voter dies from years back. Ask them, cats, why they come across Chicago, Illinois State lines. We didn't play that.

See, they didn't say, man, no other community says, they're like, vote for less or two even. You know what I'm saying? You have to, or vote or die. If you told some sisters, like, so sisters say, I'm gonna go out with somebody, I don't, you know what, you know what,

you know what, you're gonna say, we're gonna be gonna be no flowers. You see, she's going out, it's guaranteed, you know what I'm saying? Our people deserve better. Up to end when it comes to dealing with us. You know what I'm saying? There's a certain thing you've got to say in the 60s, it was a climate. You come, you know what's saying?

Hold on, man, we get knocked up out of here. Police killer, what you're saying about that? Hold on, the draft. They had a draft. You know what I'm saying? Muhammad Ali, we like what you're saying? Hold on, what's your position on this? Not vice versa.

You know what I'm saying? The party. Women were in position, not for no affirmative action so he can say, oh, you get some women. They put it in work. You know what I'm saying? You had to get the ending was up. Even your relationships.

Chapman Ferris said, the best dressed brother won't a leather jacket in the 45. You know what I didn't talk to you? What you're doing with the movement? I ain't up with this. What? Out of here. Man, we did a protest one time out west, man,

Chicago Avenue. Pulitzer gets kids to this guy, one of the most beautiful scenes I've seen. She said, man, she said, you ain't over here with us. Protesting? You ain't got my ear. You didn't get my ear.

And you gotta be up, man. Your music, it creates a different type of dynamic, a different type of athlete, a different type of church, different type of more, you know what I'm saying? No one could say, I'm neutral in that. Different about, Richard Pryor. Community Genius, Richard Pryor was impacted by the Black Panther Party.

He talks about with Pride, New Year's Eve, he met Chairman Fred. He talked about how Chairman Fred talked to him about the party program, talks about with Pride, he gave $1,000 for the breakfast program, took him, you know what I'm saying, took them out. Nipsey Russell's talking about with pride. You got cats bragging,

bundles on their ears, but ain't no contribution to the struggle. Then they hold up for these old GMOs, government-made organizations. I support it. Hold on, man. You mean you shout to my city, you claim this,

and you ain't connected, reported this guilt, 15 us? We died, and shot right, left and right, and you hear some of these conditions? Shit, no, not watch. Out there in me, man. Other communities, you can, man, listen, man,

other people are accountable, man. You gave me some connection. You just can't come through. So our people are black when it's beneficial, play a pattern when it's profitable, and connect with cubs when it's comfortable. See, heat turns more than me black. He turns more than me black.

What that means is, Michael Jackson tell you, I'm not up with all that, that black stuff. When that case comes down, it's tune changed. They don't care about us. See what I'm saying? See, the heat and the deal is, the steak going to bring heat, going to bring the heat. You know what I'm saying? You said, they feel, I just can grab you

and I want to. Oh, yeah, we all, oh, now we're together, huh? You don't do that in your household. So it comes to, we have family reunion and say, man, are you with us? No, man, you know, they didn't pop up in tax time. Hey, family. Hold on, man, I thought we went together. So our people, we all over here, they don't respect you. Who is she? I'll see them in tax time. No, in a good, man, didn't see, the Black Panther Party Cubs. See, we with this, man when it's not fashionable. Right, right, right. We're catching a case for this here.

You know what I'm saying? They got pictures in good. They got me and Chairman Fred pitching every gun tower in Manon penitry right now to this date. I'm 15, 16 years old, city first race scene, seven-district police station. They pull out pictures, fresh pictures of Chairman Fred put him up in this show. This is his son right here. See, I'm at this care about 15 years old. This is a dude say, uh, he's chairman of Fred's son.

I said, what? Okay, then Scott. You're probably gonna see this too, you know what I'm saying? Shout him out. I track him down. I said, man, you tell the catch, you chairman son? He said, brother, I'm Honorable Elijah Muhammad's son, I'm Chief Monique's son, I'm Chairman Larry Hoover's son.

I said, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, like, who your mother had a relationship with. Your biological. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, I said, listen, man, I was hoping, I was hoping I had a sibling. Right. So you can catch hand for this heat that come with this hill.

See, all romanticize this, it's heat that come with this here, man. You know what I'm saying? And that's the deal to say, we get an up the ending. You talk, when cats can come, whether it be artists, whether it be different arenas, a man, oh yeah, I'm with this here, cats pop up, like even the Black Panther Party. It was a show reality with the movie.

It was not even cats, quote, and hold on, who is this? Oh, they was, no, no, they might be at the tailgate party outside. I'm telling me, these cats here got dirt under their cleats, they got scars in the football in the huddle. I didn't tell, you know what I said? They went out there, they were on time. I didn't know at the tailgate party. Catching the heat is in,

you get to put some work in with this here, man. My family, it's my nephew, man. Street situations, I only went to the hole two, three times. Last time I talked about this movie, I'm in the hole at the time, I'm writing my letter. But at the time, you know, I had to send a letter across the hall, because I couldn't get no steps I was on the street, so I said across the hall,

forget about me and send a letter my people. They get interested about the police. They come and grab me, they get me six more months in the hole. They said, I'm exciting to ride. because I was trying to write a chairman. The only way I get out of it, when the ward getting to him with me,

I show him what my mother is, I saw my whole contact list, okay, Kimbering here, here, I'm like, this is my family. So y'all tell me, I can't interact with my family with my family, and the letter. But they listen to your phone call, they're gonna snap, take me the hole again.

So I know it's gonna come with it. I know it's a fight, even when I ain't fighting, I'm fighting, I'm fighting, and people watching everything that's going on. You mean tell me, I'm in here and I'm writing a letter, my uncle, about a situation, and y'all come take me to the hole

to say I'm in sighting a ride and I'm starting to talk on a political printer. I'm trying to start a political on riot in the jail. So I did six months for writing a letter to the chair. You know what I'm saying? It's a real reality. That's why it's important, it's imperative that we had, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to y'all. I mean that real talk, man.

For I had these other avenues, venues, kick it out, you know what I'm saying? The event come up, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm going to party, have a good time at the same time. They're a policy. We got a bad conception of a struggle. You know, saying like, I don't hear that stuff. Man, man, we, we're, last thing, we're everyday people. We party, we kick it, chop it up, everything.

Your music, everything. It's the people, man. Real talk. And Chairman Fred said, you're afraid of socialism, you're afraid of yourself. It's the people's thing, man. Real talk. So I heard you break it down when you were like, you got the Black Panther part,

then you got the Black Panther part of the Cubs. Yes, sir. So what is the difference between the first ones, you know, UEP New and then now to this generation? Yes, sir. The UEP Newton. Minister, UAP News. So you're right.

Yes, sir. That was the groundbreakers, man. That's a visionary. That's a visionary. You know what I'm saying? We humbled ourselves of that legacy, man. You know what I'm saying? As we brought the ground to 10-point platform, you know what I'm saying?

Nothing stays exactly the same. Two minutes ago was history. Respected for that, but it was ever developing. You know what I'm saying? Like even with the United States, they studied West Point. They study general patent, those before them, but they put it in context. context, it's things that would may have been, I'm just some, I'm talking about Slap, his son

the day, he's tweaking, he's telling us to updated terms, things are constantly ever developed. I'm having a flashback when I talked to some years back, and I was talking about MySpace, and y'all started laughing at me, you know what I'm saying? You got to, so things are ever developing, so we got to be constantly moving, but keep the core of it. You know what I'm saying? So Black Panther Party Cubs, that's the organization that's, you know what's saying, that's We want to sit the ground,

you know, say, to cultivate the soil. You know what I'm gonna say? For those, you'll pick up the baton after we've gone. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Bad man. Jay Wynn, man, play me something. Boy, this shit, proof. This shit's so deep, man.

I ain't gonna cap. I'm the chairman, man. Don't let this be the last time you stop through the trap, man. Hey, man, this, I'm honest and humble to be here. I look for, we look for, they're coming back, coming black with y'all, man. You said you're good, y'all ain't got one down here. You did you with y'all.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, I want a strategic move, man. man I see what I want to do what I can do is it's like it's like I'm fighting and said it's like I'm a visionary man you know I'm fighting to get things in place man you know what I'm saying it's like time and all that so we're so we got some we got a lot of forces on deck you know what I'm saying so I'm working on it man you know what I'm saying it's like Malcolm X city the collective conscience that the people tick slowly but it erupts the volcanic force to make mouse say him like nothing you know what I'm saying so

Hey, I'm, hey, I'm, at them, guys playing basketball, they said, but who's that up there on Rutgers, court watching? Oh, man, dude will be on some draft notice, man, he becomes, he ain't just watching no basketball, can he's looking. You know what I'm saying? It's natural to me. When I come through, I see colors, I say, okay, it's like blue and black.

I see, that's, I can, I can, on one and this for, I'm hooked on this, I'm hooked on this struggle, man, so, oh, for you, hey, we're on there popping, man. Real talk. Hey, we said, the Cubs are coming, the Cubs are coming. The Black Puff are here. Yeah, good time. Well, look, man.

This is exactly why we built this platform. It's to have black people. I love it. I love it. I love it. Come and speak on everything from entertainment to social economic statuses and revolutions and everything involved in black people. So don't ever hesitate to use our platform. So you're right.

You got to run the media out there. Right on. You get what I'm saying. And they can't cancel this one. Real talk. I'm on it, man. It's so we're on it. Get the real raw.

That's right. That's right. There's so much more shit we can sit here and chop it up and talk about it. Bro, I'm just telling you. This shit right. We're on a scandal. We're making this. We're making history.

This shit. You're talking about y'all. You're going to talk. You're going to talk. See that last time? This is going to fuck? Yeah. Can I talk to you?

Yes. Yes. Yes. What I'm doing. Yes. I know a lot of people look at me, right? I'm a street person. And why are you messing with some other stuff, and you got your stuff?

You know, and I say to myself, I say, yeah, I'm financially cool. I do what I do. But it's one thing I learned about him by watching him. All the years I've known this man, a lot of times you didn't have a dollar in his pocket, man. People don't even know that. And people didn't even help him. He'll call me, I'll step up. If people knew what that man went through, man,

and so serious about his legacy, they would understand his struggle. I believe right now, he would eat out a garbage can before he damaged his father's legacy. I believe he'd out of garbage can. Seriously. I've seen it.

Struggled a hard time, like he said, lights, gas off. And all these people had a lot of money wouldn't even help me. This is God, man, that's helping this man right now. This is time. And it's going to shine. He, like, been around me because I'm the love movement. I'm the love movement. I never fake you out.

If I told you something, that's what it was. You can ask anybody in the country. If I say we're going to the moon, I'm getting a space shuttle. Keep your word. Keep your promise, man. Do that. No matter what you do, keep your word and your promise. That's why I hang with him.

I know why we're from Chicago to begin thousands,000,000 of dollars. But the money part is not important because I know his legacy, it's gonna be something. He probably get a lot of heat from being me, man. You're the Panther Party, why you got players all in your party? He probably get heat. Born of the heat. See? But that heat he gets that guy right there.

You feel, Marshall? Yeah. Keep more debt. And even the time. This man kicked those in, man. And then he get ready to kick a door and he told me, he said, you know what I do, money? I see your face.

And I said, love moving, love moving, save with him. Right. But I'm glad that what I got can rub on them and help him, man. Yeah. Because he's my brother for real, man. He's my brothers. It's the same love, whatever. You got rub off of the nuts, and it's the same thing.

Shout out all so, we have some phenomenal. We've been making some major moves, man. Grand Master was a brother name last night. Virgil. Oh, shout him out, but Slap. It's a, you know what I'm saying? It's just, these enforcers, like I said, you can't plan all these moves, man.

And I tell you, I love the people, man. Straight up, man, I mean, I was locked up one time as a cat say, how do you be seeing, what you're seeing people? I said, man, listen, man, the politics, man, I see, man, the potential of our people, man. Real talk, countries is all. We all get flaws. We all damage you.

I'll do an interview with that sister. I said, well, I'm not damaged. I said, shit. I don't know where you come from. I said, this government can't transfer a TV without damage it. You know what, I'm saying? You know, I'm trying to transfer. You ain't damaged?

I said, what world are you on? You know what I'm saying? But deal is, man, we all get scars and bars, man, but this, I know, I know, I don't see what we can do, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, our brother just said, like, events they be doing. So we come in, they try to keep us subjected, like, these different cliques, you know what I'm saying?

I'll search out for points of unity. You know what I'm saying? You go to the events, man, the wards and all that type of stuff. You know what I'm saying? My nephew, different, the youngsters with the music, the other cats, they have blockers up and vice versa, you know what I'm saying, in different arenas. Man, the people, it's the San Denisas in the United America. They had a saying that the will of the people is greater than the mass technology.

You know what I'm saying? We can't afford the luxury, man. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I don't fool with the Virgo, let's do the Capricorns or the gas, or the players. I don't fool with it. You know what I'm saying, the cast, the rap industry, you know what I'm saying? Or even gender or generational contradictions, you know what I'm saying?

Old cast, young cats, man. It was a climate. You know what I'm saying? Like at the Hampton House, this cat, he, he did, and he do paintings. So that every field march had gotten to come through. He did to paint the house, you know what's his job. He didn't charge. His mother seen him on live doing a painting at the half of the house.

You know, we put our colors, the light blue and black. She said, you know where you was at? They never had the conversation before. And that's the open the door for the conversation. You know what I'm saying? It'd be catch, this party, man, the part it impacts us in so many ways. It's like, we're scared to talk about it.

Once you, it's a flood gate. Once it open, man, listen, Linden, Kenan, with Rush Revolution. It takes people 20 years in ordinary times. They've done two years in revolutionary times, man. Real talk. You hear the call, that's our slogan, free them all.

You get through all the joints, all the counts, the music, the studio, the players the barbershock it's a it's a you know what I'm saying and you could still be like that's the chairman over the disciples devil disciples we're the black disciples like the free breakfast program they're still disciples right there's some black disciples stones black three stone nation the vice or the free medical center so there's a different athletes it's a different dynamic look at the cast on the movie man this is Dominique fishback

just talking about she said man the impact of playing no Debra Johnson Daniel, Louis Yopton, the conversation we had, the Key Stanfield, I mean, he was going, man, he asked, he was, you know, dressed with Congress, he was doing breakfast club, Charlemagne. And then it was crazy after meeting we had at the table on to him. Sholome said, man, what's changing these dudes?

You know what I'm saying? Man, this politics, man. So we said it's been between 20 million niggas and 20 million niggas on with his politics, man. Real talk. Hey, no, man. Thank you for coming through here and blessing us and putting us up on some games.

I'm honored, we honored. He's so used to call him. He said Don P free and was after Capital P. My fault. Don't everybody knows. He's still my little young nephew. I'm gonna say he ain't, you know, keep, I'm gonna keep, he's right,

capital, right, right, right, right. K, right, right. That's what the Capitol was being for. I came on a different time. Capital P. Right. You know, you be older young nephew like, man. They're all good.

They're all right. Okay, before we go, but before we go. He be 50 years old. You know, you're a little nephew. We've been serious all day. We've been serious all day. Yeah. What's up with the sideburns, man?

Listen, man. I don't know. Oh, man. Oh, man, much love to the whole half the family. Hey, man. Hold on. Hold on, man. Hold on, man.

Get on his ass. Get on his ass. Get his ass. Hey, we're on this. Can they smooth, Jack? They're smooth. They're smooth. And we always say, listen.

When I'm in the joint right, right, I come out one day, man, and I, man, and the siren got chopped down. They want to move, the guys, they say, oh, hey, hold on, we're cyberers. Right. It's a, man, it's a man. Chairman Fradham, it's a politician, this is it, man. And in the movie, he said,

Daniel, the brother was playing the chair, he'd come out, I said, I said, hold on, man, who's the cyber, and they was on it. Man, this is, man, the whole aura to it, man, a, I get a poem made about Chairman Fress as a child. I grew up looking forward to not be here this cyber. And the receding headline, I can't do the hat. They're gone.

Yes, sir. But the sideburns, man. The sideburn. That's that path of politics. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Fuck you mean, baby. Yeah, sir.

We did. We did. Yes, huh. Yes. That's hard. Now that's hard. Now that's hard. Now that's hard.

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