The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - Dallas Austin in the trap! W/ Karlous Miller & Clayton English

Episode Date: January 29, 2021

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Most exclusives of shit Hey man Well first of all Welcome back to the 85 shotto I feel like we TV won today Because we so behind the music.

Oh man. You see how I said TV? Behind the music. Behind the boards. Behind all of that. We got a real one in hell today, Clay, man. I'm talking about this man got a hit record for every letter in the alphabet. Literally. And it's not just

one song. No, no, no. It's hits. Hits. Like that hit hard. You need one, though. You ain't got nothing with disease. I'm working on that. Okay. Okay. You're right. I wrote one called Zanzibar the other day just because I They ain't got no Z. All right, let me finish the intro. You're right about that.

That's crazy way. Hold on, I got to finish the intro. I got a Google Zanzibar. Come on. Over 100 million records sold. One of the coldest niggas in the music game ever. Produced with Michael Jackson. TLC, all your favorite.

All the music with some black people in it. He had something to do with it. Whether he did or not. Me had something to do it. Hey! Hey! All the music with some black people in it, he had something to do that. All that shit that went,

the shit that you love, your mama love, the people after look. He got a hit for everybody in the house. For the kids. They got a hit for every bump on your face. Come on. Watch your face, nigger. None other than Mr. Dallas Austin.

Come on, man. We can say a lot more and that still wouldn't be enough. That was amazing. They still wouldn't get it, dog. The impact. But everybody who has come on this show and sat on this couch has brought your name up. I've been seeing that man, and that's when I was like, damn, that's like, of course, Gip and then Buster and then, I was like, I want to go on that show.

I was like, how I get on there? And I started to text you all on Instagram. Shit, here you go. Don't act like it's hard when it's you. Yeah. You could have showed up. Yeah, man. Niggas would have rallied up.

I would have came and got you. I love this show. It's one of my favorite show, though. Oh, my. I was in the crying shit. I'm a crying shit. No, but on some real shit, you, like when it comes to Atlanta in the influence and making what the landscape, what it is, man, you have definitely was one of the people who had the

the foresight to look at the city and say this is that this is what it's going to be this is what it could be and man we're just an honor to have you in here with us for real it's an honor to be here bro like this been crazy it's been a long time um coming from college park and then looking around now to even like you know passing the things you can do in georgia is why i stay in georgia you know because i'm only me here for one if i go to california i'm another producer right yeah but i you know we we started this thing we started out running the green brier one escape the jelly beans, um, dressing the kids from another bad creation at the mall while we was just doing records, like just trying to, uh, then organized noise had, they had their studio inside jelly beans, right? So I'll go there and go skating and be playing the records I'm working on. And then they had an actual studio that they gave them inside the skating rink. So that's what organized noise, because they were dancing like, most of them was dancing and guests, dancing with some of the dance crews, uh, Pat, Rico, um, and then, yeah, they ended up having a, when I first saw Rico wait is crazy, because he was This is the first one I ever seen with a dope boy phone, like one of the phones that was in the bag in the bag in the bag in the big man. Yeah, he's standing up in the skating rink on the phone. I'm like, what is that?

I wonder who he was talking to. It had to be somebody on the house phone. He wasn't talking to nobody. That was crazy. Did nobody else in the handbook? You couldn't even really hear shit. Yeah, man, it's crazy how everybody, you know, Atlanta, we seated it, you know? Yeah.

So to see us all grow and all of us do what we've been doing. It's just been amazing. So the studio was in the skating rink. Right. Organized loans. Yeah, their first studio was in jelly beans. I want to ask you this. Like, what was it like, what did you see in Atlanta that early to make it seem, you know,

to what it is today? Like, like all the talent that's in this city, like you- It was crazy because- Everybody was just like, when I met JD, we were like 17, I think. I made him at a car wash. I knew of them because of, like, silk times leather, some of the other stuff he had going. But he was like in a little white Herbie Love Bug, get up, because he was like, you know, going through the Sukhams Leather phase. I was going in the mental BBD phase.

And it's crazy how we lived around the street from each other than. Now we live around these three from each other in San Diego Springs. But it started off on this college park and me going to his house, making beats at his crib, before we even did TLC. Before we even really did another bad creation and all that. Let me tell you my another bad creation story. My teacher took my ABC tape and kept it the whole school year. I'm talking about I had that shit when it was the time to have it. I'm talking about I had it early enough to stunt.

And then I used to just play the instrumental and just, you know, the instrumentals on the other side. Because I had it in this school when she was hating. No, she wanted to listen to that man. I'm telling you. That's what that was. She was big hating because I had the cassette. the cassette, I mean, single. Yeah, ABC was huge.

They didn't realize that they blew up before boys, the man. And so when they were going to Linux and people started freaking out, they would just start crying. Because they were like five years old, five to nine and twelve. They would start crying. Yeah, because there was freaking out of people running at them. Yeah, that's a lot for a kid.

Imagine your five-year-old being a little day in ABC. You know, imagine you're seven and your eight, nine-year-old being red marked at GA being about 11. So, like, these are kids. The bitches that was coming at them was probably grown too. Full grown tities. Come in, babe! No!

I came to get two Nintendo Takes! Not here for all this. They don't never get the credit they deserve, bro. Jealous girl? Yeah. They'll be, I mean, you know, like I said, they were big before Boys and Men was opening for another bad creation. They were like a phenomenon.

Hold up, what? Boys, the Men was opening for another bad creation. for another bad creation. Yeah, well, the kids took off, they took off fast because of, you know, being Aisha and I made them a little poison, so it made them just be cool. It made them from God be road, made them like, but then, you know, when I first saw the kids, they were like, they had them in like the drop crouts, like the hammer pants, like the, because they were trying to be like no addition, you know, doing the any heartbreak.

I was like, no, man, we got to make them a little BBD, and we just started flipping them, you know, and so it was so exciting when kids saw it, it was caught on like wildfire. Because the shit they were saying and the saw was little kids, we played this, we played Nintendo. That shit you was doing. You had us thinking these little niggins was just fight deep in go cards everywhere. Was you the first motherfucker to flip the Indian little flute shit? Yeah, man.

That was... And I wanted to be in public enemy so bad when I was little. Like Hank Shockley, I used to listen to the bomb squad. And Atlanta, we was trying to find ourselves. We had Kilo. We had like Raheim the Dream. You know what I'm saying? And stuff like that.

Maybe S-O-S man, Peebo Bryson. But we were like the first tipping point of like cool young music being able to be made, you know what I'm saying? And it just made it where that tipping point, like even from another bad creation up, I knew everybody that's ever made it out of here. That's what's insane. You know, ludicrous when they had the show, him and Chris. Chris Love, Love, Love, and Poon, then. I found the first video show for them when they were DJs. And they were doing like a video of DJ show.

Like Arnelle Star shit? It was like Arneill Star shit, but they're supposed to be like Dre and, uh, and, uh, from MTV, yeah, Love And Dre. And so that was even before Chris started rapping. And when he started rapping, he started bringing his records first before he even got the death jam. You know, so all of, it's like, Sierra, Monica's little brother's girlfriend.

Oh. Yeah, this was like, everybody that's not a person that's from Atlanta that hadn't been through DARP because I opened that studio so long ago and then I made it so that it was about having people come in and congregate, come in and work in each room. You can hear what somebody's working on in the lounge, so you can make yourself better

and I always wanted to how the producers where they were rocking because I was in bad contracts before that so I didn't want to do that shit to nobody else you always busted down and like open the whole platform up man how would you say

that that impacted all the business like because when you you could have just been a star by yourself but you literally put on two 300 people yeah it's crazy because we didn't even know what it was doing then I was like I mean when I first got Rowdy

like I didn't really want a label. I was just hanging out of masquerade out, slam dancing. I was KLAF. I was like hanging out with like I was just alternative as hell. But I was doing, I just did ABC and Boys and Men and all that. And so when LA and Clive came to me, they said, oh, you should have a label. I'm like, no label, bro. I'm just getting my shit off.

But it's like, oh, just make it a division of the face, you know. So I was all right, that could be cool. Like sign the skateboard kids you hang around, sign the rock bands and shit. You know, I'm like, all right, cool. So that's how I started Rowdy. office inside the face but it was supposed to be the hip-hop label so to speak you know and rock label and then next thing you know I got full-on staff in New York 23 staff members and I'm like because LA was like we got to move it

we got it's a label like that it need to be in New York and I was so Atlanta at that point I was just like man I so I would go up in my office in New York full on staff everybody marketing department publicity department everybody that's go back to my office Open the window, smoke a joint. And be scared as hell, because I'm like, I'm in New York, we don't mess with, you know, in Atlanta, we don't mess with these New York niggas.

That's how we thought about it when we was around. So I wasn't really, you know, I would go over there every day, do the same shit. That's the music, open my window, smoke some weed. And one day, one of the NR ladies, she came in and she said, I talked to you for a second? I said, yeah, she said, do you like anybody out here? So what you mean?

He said, you got everybody on pins and needles because they think you don't like the staff because you don't never go talk to nobody. I said, oh, she said, You might want to have a staff meeting. I'm like, what's that? So everybody get together and you meet everybody? That's how green I was.

I was still like. And you got the labor. Yeah, I'm full on the president. I still ain't still ain't had a staff meeting yet. But you got everybody shook. So everybody worried about this. He won't look at me. But you're just going in there.

He never looked at me. Sneaking and smoking weed at your own labor. I'm 21. Like 20, 21 years old. And from the land. You could have been putting your joy. on somebody forehand. Right.

And they would have took it struck. I'm not opening the window at my label. Thank you. I wish you the fuck I would crack a window in this bitch. I was like... Where are the window? Yeah. You got to go upstairs and go outside to find that.

That's crazy. My fucking nerves was bad. I was in New York. I was too cool, like calm. I'm in Atlanta. You know, I'm like, yeah, I'm easy. You walk around with Birkenstocks and shit on a little five points. I'll get to New York.

That shit is just like, everything's frantic and everybody just going crazy and fast. And so I just, I just going crazy and fast. And so I had to settle in to that for a minute. And by the time I did get settled in, and did The King and I did flip them up with Buster. Buster's helped me settle in a lot. Oh, good. That's how that whole story came about

because I was like uncomfortable and hang around anybody up there because I didn't really have no squad. My staff was a staff. We don't trust New York, man. We don't trust New York. We didn't. If you good with Busted Rams in New York,

you don't got to hang with nobody. Yo, this is the most diabolical motherfucker to ever put his hands on him. motherfucking keyboard and you niggas and you niggas don't want to fucking be around greatness. This nigger bite your fucking favorite producers, my face off. Don't never try this, what's crazy is that he would come to me. We first started, he would come to me in the studios and he'll be like, he didn't want to go solo. It was Charlie Brown didn't want to go solo.

He didn't understand. He wanted to be in the leaders, but he was getting out of attention. So when he first started, I was like, he played me song after song after song and everything was just. It was so much. You just couldn't catch it for a record. And so he would do that all the time, all the time, all the time. And I'm just like, man, that's good, but it's just like jazz, man. And it was like, and then he'll play the records,

and I'll be in a nodding off, smoking damn funto leaves and shit with him. That's too strong for me. And then at the end, he will always do this. He will wait until, I'm telling you, 20, 30 records, and then he'll play me woo-ha. And I'll wake up to me, ah, y'all, y'all, y'all, man, what the fuck is this? He played an album from the back to the front. Then again, now I'm in New York.

Every time he put out a record from that point, he had to come play records for me and get my paintings. So we do it again. I'm in New York. He's playing me song for song. Now I did a little better. You know, they ain't this complicated, but it's still song for song for song. I'm smoking a fun to leave.

I'm falling asleep again. I'm out. And they goes, do-d-d-do-d-d-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch. And I'm like, why, you make me sit through all the records to get to the one and playing the shit? This nigga put you to sleep to wake you up. But it was just done. Yo, I got the most evil as shit. I'm going to play last.

But that would be after like 20, 30 songs. We'll do this all night long, man. And then he pulled that one out. And he'll pull that one out all the time. And so that's how we really, you know, work with him in Flipmold. He was like, that's why he was my dog. That's what I was running with. That's who we were coming back and forth to Atlanta.

Yeah. And at the same time, that's when he was hanging with Goody Mobb and everybody in Atlanta. Man, hey. Because we got pieces of the story from different people from them being on the pot And just to see how like... Dude, it was insane. It ended up being... Like, that's what I'm saying.

Every piece of the next back to you. You literally did everything. You're the template. That's why I was watching them going, oh shit, that was then. Oh shit, that was then. Oh, shit, that was that was done. Like, yo, Dallas Austin first, nigga, the wear biker shorts.

I'm like, what the fuck? Hey. I remember, that nigga came up the green ride. The nigga had on some biker shorts. And he had his motherfucking tape top tucked in. So Dallas, that's what we doing? And he was like, yeah, and everybody did it. Dance after that.

Bro, I swear. Everybody did it. They said that you were just showing up to this gangst this niggins. Like, who wants some? And we'll just start dancing. Taking niggins, and skating jackets and shit. You ain't heard this part in the story.

It's another side of the game. Niggas grated you for everything. And they're like, like, Dallas Austin, it's limited limit pepper ways, Nick. It was usher's not. Usher's ninth birthday.

The niggins showed up with lemon juice and pepper and said, put it on the way. But I don't, sir, you literally deserve at least an exit in Atlanta, bro. You did so much shit first. I'm trying to get a street of a statue while I'm living. Come on. That's why we're waiting on. This is not an interview.

We just came, we wanted you to come. Nigget, this is really the statue plan revealed. This is all this is about. We appreciate everything you're telling us. But we know, you the shit already. We just wanted you to come in this bitch so we could be like, we're selling this bitch for a million dollars. Dallas, Austin came in here.

He sat on this couch. Play me some pimper, man. My niggia, I ain't here in the music business. If you want to change that nigger life, that's up to you. Come on, man. Man, the nigger code. I ain't want to really, like, start off playing no shit. I know you'd be playing.

You, like, one of the cold is making music. You probably ain't want to hear shit, but like some silence and some class. We got some nice instrumentals and shit now. We was gonna make this a hit record. What would you do to this? We got a boy for you to actually do it. Hey, they gotta pay for this portion.

This shit is special. We can't necessarily pay you to do it, but if you was gonna do it, what would you do to it? Really, on that, it's about who you put on it and what they do on top of it at this point. I got, I'm about to call Anthony Hamilton. Oh, yeah.

He'll kill it. I'm putting him on there. Kill it. Kill it. You hit the right on the head, though. For some reason, I want Lizzo won't hit. I just want her perspective on this. You put Anthony and Lizzo on the same track. Okay. And let me see. They ain't never heard that.

Yeah. Because they can sing both of them now. And you got the track rocking anyway, so that'll be like something nobody ever heard before. Hey man, you was working with one of the, probably the best musician in the history of the world. When I say that, I'm talking about Michael Jackson, man. How hard was it to produce music for Michael Jackson? Oh, man, that shit was so crazy, bro. When I first went out of work with him, then he would show you stuff like he would beatbox it.

That shit had to be cold as fuck. I still got beatboxes with him because he'll go in the room and be like, die someone something like this. He goes straight to the mic and he goes straight to the mic, like a nigga in jail? It's not like all the other kind of Michael Jackson records you heard. But can you just like drop? some of that on Instagram or something. Just to, man, Michael Jackson, big boxing.

Man, that shit gonna get auctioned off at the Louvre. We got Michael Bet Jackson beatboxing tapes. Can I get 100,000? 100,000? We got 100,000. We get 140,000. They're gonna sell that shit, buy? At least let me see it.

That's cold. The most crazy though is, I got swimming crazy stories with him. When I, we started working on the project, I saw Jimmy Jam and Taylor Lewis. When I saw them, I walked right past Michael, because I was like, Jimmy Jam, oh shit. I grew up on, I wanted to be in the time.

You know what I'm saying? I'm not playing Get It Up. He had to be like, oh, yeah, that's Michael. Michael, how you doing? Like, yo, Jimmy Jam. Oh, so you? So, Mike was over there like, oh, this knicker thing. Michael didn't think I was hyped enough on him, right?

So he convinced to taking us to this little like, you know, when you're recording a long time in the studio, you have your own room with your records and all your shit in, and he just stopped putting in videotapes. And he was the first one wearing the math. He had the mask on and hat on, and he stopped putting on tape. And he was like, this is me and Charlie Chaplin. So it's him and Charlie Chaplin dancing together. He had to integrate.

He did video integration. Wait a minute, right? Oh, I was about to say, nigger. I think it's on a smile. I think it's on the smile thing he put out, right? But that's how I'm feeling. I'm like, God damn. And then he'll be like, oh yeah, this is me when I was in Africa and everybody, you know, 300,000 people trying to get in, 300,000 people inside.

Look at this. I'm watching it. Michael, Michael. And every time he put another tape, I'd just start being like, shit, that's him. You know what I'm saying? That was the nicest way of saying, don't ever try me like that anymore. It was working because then, no, no, this is, this is my head. This is what killed me right here.

So then he, he, he, he'll never get it fucked up. This is what took me over the top. I'm him. I am him. He put a video in, right? And he's sitting at this piano and he's singing, I'll be there. It's kind of like the round, like, you know, after the middle of the time stuff, right? Yeah, tank top on, ponytail, the curtains are going, and he's singing, I'll be there at his piano, right?

I'll be there. And then he keeps hitting another, I'll be there in the background. He keeps looking over his shoulder. He starts singing again. And he looks over his shoulder again, and this little Michael standing there in a little brown outfit with the afro. And I look, and he looked back at him, and then both of them come over and start singing the song. He's sitting next to him. And by that time, I was just like, who shit.

How did you do that? And he said, that's a Pepsi commercial. I was just shot there as a demo. That was something we might use, might not. By this time, I'm like, okay, I'm through the roof now. He got me. I'm like, that is Michael Jackson. I'm sitting next to in here.

I'm like, this is crazy. So then I think once he got my attention and then we start working on stuff, he said, that's when he said to me. He said, I did this song this time around. And he goes, you know, what's crazy is he sent us to the Museum of Tolerance. I don't know if anybody ever went there before in LA. That was his stimulation around being around him? That shit was crazy because I don't know why he sent us there,

but when you walk to this museum, it calls you names, it shows you everything, you're nigger, fatso, hunky, cracker, all this shit. And you're in the same room with everybody. And you're like, and it's like a disrespect for a house. Fuck, nigger. You're your stupid ass. And then, you know, it went through the whole Holocaust. So at the time I get back to the studio, I'm like,

why did he make us go, that shit was sad? Like, everybody's crying. They're throwing babies out the windows, The Holocaust is going on in there, and they're showing you all the stuff. He's like, well, he wants you to understand the world, what's happening in the world because, you know, this attack, you know, he feels like it's a world attack, you know. I like how this nigger think. He's like, if you don't know what's going on in the world, don't be around me.

Don't come around here. Yeah, bro. That's crazy. So when we started working on the record, he said, I want somebody to rap on the song, Dallas, I need somebody really good to rap on the song. So I'm thinking, okay, let's get trech. You know, because the hip-hop raise, this kind of commercial, it ain't too hard. It was, no, no, no, I need somebody.

somebody harder, like somebody a little bit harder than that. See, that's when I said, what about Biggie? Yeah, like him. I said, okay. So I called Puff. Like, yo, Michael Jackson on Biggie to come rap on the song. He's like, shit, he's out there now. That's what I said.

He got out there now, nigga, he's on the way yesterday. He left. He didn't even here right now. I'm not here either. This is actually recorded. So me and Biggie sitting in the car, smoking, outside the studio, listening to the song over and over white, I mean, over why he's rapping and he's saying, man, damn, damn, this is crazy. He's got to be 19, bro. He's like, this crazy. I can't believe I'm sitting in the car with you writing a song for Michael Jackson. This shit's crazy, right? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, this shit's, you know. So he started rapping to rap.

And, you know, listen, I got taps on the phone. Motherfuckers making a cop seat. I'm a killer nigga. I ain't joking. I ain't joking. I'm like, oh, shit, I don't know. That might be too much. I'm like, oh, what he said one more time? Because I know you know it. That's how it's told him, we ain't never going to hear. When he said, I'm a killing a nigga, I ain't joking, Indo Smoke got me choking. I was like, okay, I don't know, but let's go in this, let's let's let him hear it. You know what I was, Michael's going to say, you know, I don't know if I could say this. I don't know if I could say that.

I don't know, I mean, it's shit that's going down. He hears that shit and he goes, oh my God, I love it. That's exactly how to say. But that's exactly what I'm trying to say. See, Mike wanted somebody to say all the shit he couldn't say. He couldn't say. That's just all this fuck. You know, he didn't cuss.

So he'll be like, doodle head gorilla. That's what he called it? That was a shit. I would complain to him about the engineer sometime like, yo, man. This engineer, he's acting shady, man. Oh, he's horrible. He's stinky. Such a stinky, man.

He's horrible. He's such a stinky. Monkey? Stanky man. He's such a stinky man. He's horrible. He's stinky. That's horrible. But he would not say cuss words. He didn't like anybody that said like cuss words either. He wouldn't even fucking. That's crazy. That's crazy. I'm sitting in the studio one day like this, right? Oh, let it be the last. And then he said, well, Dallas, you know, I built hospitals in Africa and I did all this great stuff. But look what the United States says. It showed me a newspaper. It says, Michael Jackson thinks Africa stinks because he got his hand over his nose. He had his mask over. And he said, so I got some friends coming by today that's just coming from Africa to pay homage, right?

I promise you exactly what I'll tell you. It happened just like this. First Secret Service shows up, looking out. Then these girls start coming in dropping red rose petals on the floor. Right? Yeah. That shit amazed him. And then.

He couldn't hold that in. They came out automatically. It's exactly like coming to America. They come in, they got the lionhead on the, like the king and the corner. Queen of showed up and they came to say, Michael, we all seen there like, what the fuck? Michael, we come to thank you for what you've done. You've done such a good job in Africa with the schools and with the hospitals and with this and the other.

We just had to come over and give you a gift. So I'm just sitting there like, what the fuck is happening right now? Like, and after they left, I mean, every day we would look around like, say if we're sitting in this room, right, you all of a sudden a red street could go by. And then you look at me like, did you just see that? I'm like, did you see that shit? I'm like, man, that's Michael. red shirt, red streaks. I feel like he was like, he was magical.

He was that bad? He was like, he was that fast. Wait a minute. Hold up, bro. You tell the story way too fast. Wait a minute, me. So you're gonna sit here and tell me Michael Jackson was magic and then just want me to just... It's magical, man. It was like... So he could literally just... The monkey was going crazy one day. We're in the lounge. The monkey just flying everywhere. Because Michael wasn't in there, right?

And me and my man just like, what the fuck? This monkey was going. going crazy. Michael comes in the room. This dude jumps up on him and puts his thumb in us like, nothing ever happened. With his thumb in his mouth on Michael like this. And I was like, what the hell? That little monkey was going crazy. He walks in, everything goes calm. He draws, he paints. Like, if you see some of the paintings Michael Jackson is done, they look like, Picasso do this shit. Like, he was just, he was incredible. He was insane. People, I think, seen one part of him, but not like the art. Yeah. Oh, the business mind. His business mind is incredible. It's crazy. That's wait. You're saying he could just.

Over there. Over there. Me and you would look at each other and say, did you see that? Me and my engineer, they were there by this. Do you see that? So he didn't really walk. Just over there. He was gliding.

I don't know what he was doing. I just know I saw a streak. That nigga glow. But he was, I mean, after all that stuff he was showing me, I was super impressed at just everything. Of course, he's Michael Jackson. Bruh, man. I'm fucked up right now.

Because all the shit that I've ever heard people, ever heard people say nobody ever mentioned that part nobody tell the real shit man man man I got to get my life together because I don't want motherfuckers to think I was just out here walking around how don't you get from place how did you get for place to place Naggy, you just heard what he said. He said, over there. Over there. Back over there and over there.

And ain't nobody. You'd like, did you see that shit? Did you see that shit? Exactly. You didn't see him walk over there. You didn't see him run over there. You saw, he basically just goes as Michael Jackson was an emotion. He lives inside all of our hearts.

He ain't gone. He was never here. He was never here. Stop it. This is home. I'm too high for this. You know they was in there. Wings and shit balanced.

I don't know. What do you think of this one? He had a food tester. That's a partner. Living pepper. You had a food tester, bro. He had a food tester. They'll make that food.

Then somebody else tested first. This was the most important person there ever was. I'm going to eat food by myself. I got to have to have the first. first night. I don't feel an important word for fuck. Whatever I thought I had going on with this little operation, Michael Jackson wouldn't approve of us. But you might fuck with it though. I got my daughter's got damn cussing. He might do. He might like it. He would love to show him. He would. Yeah. It's so real.

Yeah. I knew he was a real one. I ain't even know you had heard about it. Well yeah. Y'all like y'all, what do you think y'all ain't large? No, it ain't that. We're just so humble. Yeah, that's the South, man. We knew it wasn't shit. I saw y'all was down in Columbus. I'm like, do you all look at Columbus, Georgia when I saw that? Yeah.

They love us down there. That's what we was performing in that haunted-ass theater. Oh, yeah. I had to get away from down there. Yeah. So we went down there and did the spot, did nobody want to do the show at it. And they was like, man, we appreciate y'all coming down here and fucking with it. Yeah.

Yeah, that's your hometown, man. Columbus. Yep. Me and Kim Porter. Me and Kim Porter is in kindergarten. together down there. Frank Thomas, all this from the high school. The Big Hurd. Yeah. Come on, man. Yeah, man. Columbus is crazy because it's its own consolidated government. You know, Gip just opening up goodies down there. Okay. Let's go.

But it's own consolidated government, so it doesn't really abide by Georgia laws because of Fort Benin. Yeah. So my dad used to run the segregated parts down in Columbus when, you know, late 60s, like when Ike and Tina Turner and James Brown all those people would come to town that had to perform at my dad's place and stay at the little party houses and then on this block it would be like prostitution houses

it'll be like with a game and all the black military guys would come down there to hang out it would sound fun it's spending that money all the politicians spend that money good fish sandwiches

good left and right good music I just saw tight tin turning and got my dicks up and a boy wiser and a fish sandwich What can you want?

That big hamburger was $2. Less than that prize. $1.5. That was Black. We made a favorite number back now. You can get you a big egg burger, a plate of fries, and a drink for a dollar a half. That's like my mom's restaurant. A restaurant. Oh, yeah.

She had a soul food restaurant down there called My Bells. And they Kim Porter, the grandmother had one on the other block. So it was just nothing else to do that. That was after all the prostitution days left. left and it was just like politicians and y'all was making money the right way but i was trying to get the hell out there i couldn't take it no more i was like it was just it's columbus so it ain't no hope down there right when i go down there now i'm like we got to put some hope in this motherfucker can we put a factory or can we put like a film studio or something down here because this is

depressing because it's still buildings there that was there when i was there 30 years it's like when i was little and they still got they got moss on them with the same names bud johnson barbershop or like you know so there ain't been no like hope and no development down there so i've been been trying to see how they could put something to get those people down there something that's why i was asking if you went how was it you know they didn't get no entertainment mad love down in columbus man yeah especially down there after five man they've been doing comedy at um at after five the sports ball down there dudeoo brown yeah yeah they got a they got a live comedy scene they show a lot of love when we do anything down there you down there

I'm $17,000. $17,000. I get something now. I got to buy a couple of blocks and you do it. They're old though. They're stupid houses. They'd be like one and a half bathrooms, and then you get like two and a half bedroom.

What the fuck is the half bedroom? That's one of the beds that come out of the walls. Yeah, the kitchen and the living room. As soon as you walk in the house, you're already in the kitchen. But now if there's some shit down there, like he's down there like he said then them houses that wasn't shit the value going to increase what people gonna need a night if it's a factory this some shit if it's something that they'll have some hope down there when I went that's what you know

drumline was about me being in the Columbus High School marching band that's what that's about shout out to Nick Cannon come on man yeah what made you pick yeah because Nick when we were doing the movie it you're trying to find characters that's close to you and how you were at time you know what I'm saying. They get a move at a whole different perspective. Yeah, it was a high school story. Zoe said I was down to play Kim. I mean, Kim was Zoe basically kind of

when I was growing up because she's like my best friend. But she played bells. And so when I told the story to Fox, I just pitched it one day. I was young. So I was like, man, I got a movie idea. You know, it's a musical. You know, what about a marching band? It was like, oh, it's like the Macy's Day parade

marching bands? I'm like, no. And I came and filmed a battle of the bands. I went back and showed it to him. I'm like this. And they're like, what is that? And they were playing a leader. And so I was like, and I just told him my story while I was in there. I was like, yeah, it's about this kid that couldn't read music in the marching band. Really my brother, he was in the marching band first, and he was a section leader, right?

So by the time I went into coming in as a freshman, he was leaving out as a senior and everybody's waiting on my ass to come in. You know what I'm saying? Because he was section leader. So now the new section leader would rough me up. That's why you got the problem with doing the movie. But I was so good because he would bring the drums home every day. He comes home every day. You know what I'm saying?

I would practice with his drum line all the time as a kid, so I just knew all my shit. So by the time I got two marching band, I played better than everybody, but I couldn't read shit. I still can't read shit. You can't read me? Oh, hell no. My niggie, you live it, though. You live me. They asked me to do this thing one time for Quincy Jones.

They said, Quincy Jones wants you to be the music director for this thing they're doing in Washington, D.C. And you want you to MD the band. I'm all right, cool. Ain't no problem. I can do that. I'm like, who's the band? Who's the band? I show up. It's damn herbie Hancock.

Greg Philly Gaines. Like a Bobby McFerrin. He was just making all his... And it was a tribute to him and it was like all these great musicians and I'm like, I cannot read. They don't know, I cannot read music. How am I going to tell these people to play?

So I'll be like, one, two, three, they're going to the song. Then Herbie Hancock said, oh, let's go to G7 minor major. I was like, okay, one, two, three. And when they start playing, my ears good enough that I'll pick up, I'm in there. Now we got it, let's go, we can play Thriller,

let's go, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, change it again. Oh, now, what if we play that in like, C-Rates? Bring it down 12 steps. I'm like, all right, ready? One, two, three. Hold on, man, hold on, hold on, hold on. I said 12, man.

Shit. It went to the very end when I looked over and told Hervey Hancock, After it was all over and done and all this shit. It was having a jam section. And it turned to, I was turning the sheet music when I was playing. Like I was,

Yeah, man. Ha ha ha ha ha. I couldn't have to turn the sheet music. Hold on, hold on. So you didn't went through the whole book on one song? Yeah, man. I used to do that marching band. That drum line.

I was doing the same shit in the morning. And first period band, da-da-da-da-da-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d. And dude looked over, they said, Dallas ain't reading the music. I'm like, well, in a section, he was like, you got to read the music. Can you read the music? Like, man, think that shit?

Yeah, of course not to play that shit. Let's play. You hook up them, brr-r. You put that sheet music in front of me. That's Japanese. That's just like, shh. So yeah. That's crazy.

So I still can't read, yeah. Yeah, don't learn, bro. You've been successful. Do not learn how to read that shit. Anybody try to teach you to learn that shit. You're gonna go back and look at your shit. Like, what was I thinking? Nah, because your shit worked.

On these flat-ass cards. Some motherfuckers just see that shit and know how to, I don't know, brains work crazy. Exactly. Like, your computer different, bro. So. Old nigger boys. Listen, whatever that shit is, you got it. You understand that?

Don't learn how to read that shit, man. You are already good. I ain't never learned how to read shit and look where I am. Hey, look at what it did for me. A hundred million. That's when people used to go to the rest of the show. That's damn straight, too. That's real talk.

What do you say when you told him you couldn't read the music? He was like, we knew, man. I said, no, no. He was like, what you mean you couldn't read the music? I was like, I can't read none of that. He just started laughing. He's like, we did a great job. I just got through it, you know what I'm saying?

I had to do that with Prince one time, too. Like, hold up, bro. Wait a minute. Just hold on, man. Wait, wait, wait. No, do you not about to do. Fuck me up again. He got to.

You can't, you can't, you can't. Hold on. Welcome back to the 85th couch. If you don't know who this is, this is Mr. Dallas Austin. He has had the most awesome life that a black man has been allowed to have. I'm telling you, man. He has set the standard. Bruh.

Whatever you do or not, this man already did, the young producer in Atlanta with the popping place in the studio all you tell that story you used to park your car in the principal spot yeah m d collins because i was so happy there was a white bmw 528 that's so disrespectful because the principal could you ever have one the principal was pulling up in a hugo okay don't even know what that is because i saw riko away with the phone right so i got this car now the car used to smoke like a motherfucker he'd leave a blue trailer smoke going down the highway but i just wanted to be mw it was a diesel you should have told everybody It was diesel.

That shit was fresh. Look good. Pull up in school to it, you know what I'm saying? Girls liked it. So I decided I had to get a phone though, because Rico had a phone. So I'm like, got to have a phone in this bitch, you know what I'm saying, to top it off. So me and my cousin decided we can go steal one. So we go to all the apartments on Gabby Road and on Riverdale.

You go up in there, we're pushing on the windows to see what window. First you got to see who got a phone in the car. They got one. Okay, push the window. With that crack, all right, let's try it. So first time, and this was, this was bad. I was doing bad things back down. down on that yeah we don't condone none of this shit now I was don't do the

tiger woods on me it's like so I took the brick right throw the brick bam shit one break because Mercedes had two-ply windows we didn't know that so we go over it and hide go back around there bam that one then break so then we found a truck right this truck got one through it through bam here we go we got it get up in there get the phone we out here next day I'm like this shit is dope and I got to take it to cartoons so they can hook it up for me so to work all right so I go to cartoons I pull up in I told home but say yo man I need to get my phone hooked up.

He said, okay, no problem, no problem. He came and looked at it. So I got the phone in the base, just the phone. He goes, where's the rest of it? I said, what you mean? He said, all the stuff that go in the trunk, the base, you know.

He said, you know, the whole system was in the truck. You just got the phone right here. So I'm like, oh, shit. Where'd you get that phone from? And I was like, my uncle gave it to me. He said, well, tell your uncle, you need the rest of it. Because that shit ain't going to work. That's just the phone.

So from that point, I just double stick glued that shit in the car and every time I pull up to the crystal I thought the story was over no no it gets even better I'll pull up that school like this in that motherfucker pocket and the principal spot on that fake ass phone this like and put the beast out just looking hard bro and then I worked in the jury store in the mall at the time you know intrigued they used have all the gold chains right and so what I would do is you know don't do this at home this ain't good for y'all to go do all right but But don't get no tips.

What I would do is I would put the chains in the garbage, right? Take trash out. So then I have my dude some school from M.D. Collins, like Bear and all of them would show up. Don't say their name. Okay. Sorry about that, but it's probably, I don't know. Man, man, what the fuck, man? They ain't, hey, hey, hey, hey, Dave, Dave, you about you.

Not me, baby. Hey, my wife heard that shit. Now I'm in the church. I gotta go talk to that lady wins to that lady. I gotta go down there and talk to them people wins. I would go to school with all this gold on.

I would take it all of my arms. I had like jewelry, all of my arms, chains all on that. I would have a black long coat on some holy jeans and some football cleats, right? And my keyboard would be in a bag instead of my books. You was way to fuck out.

So what I would do is just selling bitches at school like all day long. Like here, $100 for a handball? I got you. $100 all day long. I'm taking McDonald's checks all day. And now I've got a stack. And that's how I end up having a BMW and it's kind of like starting to get my first

keyboards and stuff up here. Don't do that at home, but I had to get that jury. Bro, you've been an entrepreneur your whole life. Hey, man. That's a jing his ass plan. This motherfucker was doing some thievery shit. He probably replaced the shit with fake necklaces too. I was doing all real jewel thief, nigga.

This thing put, if you were on old national where the shit used to be. If you were ever on Old National Garby Road and that was your stumping ground, then you was just doing devious shit. It wasn't nothing else to do. We tried to do some music and do some devious shit down in there. Hold up. You act like we're going to ignore the fact that you was just wearing football. I always every day. Ain't never played football.

It was just a thing. You know, in Atlanta, you had to live apart that by then. So me and Devine, Stevens, we'll be at a vote, right? Instead of wearing polo, we want to look like the polo man. You know, so we got the cardigans and you have your boots and the boots tucked in. you come to school with the whip the turtleneck on and the blazer. You just skip the class. You just stand out in the hallway.

So when everybody out there, then that's what we start dying the T-Torrens to match the T-Torring sweaters. So everybody just started going out to Lennox and stealing shit and taking it back to get some better shit. See, that's the school just fly it out. Lake Shore, me and Divine used to get their hair up, Willie Wear the Deaf, like Willie Wear long coats and like, just fly it out, just being, you know.

In the hallway. Alato's like that. You said to act out the whole part or whatever. What? Bring the tennis racket to school with the Treetons and the Tonsonsons. So motherfuckers don't know where the shit. If you get it, he even done it. Br.

This thing you say he wanted to dress like the polo. Like the polo man. Not the, I don't want to dress like what they put on the mannequin. I want to put what's here. You're already about the polo. You're making me think I've been facing this whole life shit wrong. Anyway, we reevaluate everything. I have never thought the, huh?

Oh, we're going back to Prince. This was all leading up to that. Oh, okay, okay. Please don't leave that out. Okay. That's the one. Bring that back. Oh, yeah, so Prince.

So I grew up on Prince. Like, everything ever done, all the music ever made, I would just sit and learn Prince Records over and over and over and over. And I copied the address to page, I mean, off the back of a Warner Brothers record when I was like eight. I sent the demo on Warner Brothers off the back of a Prince record. Eight years old? Yeah, they sent me as Carboos, like Cassio. I just copied that shit and mailed it.

And they mailed back. We do not accept unsolicited material. But I had Warner Brothers letterhead. So I was like, Mom, look at this. And she's like, what are you doing? I got this from Prince, you know? I was thinking I got it from Prince. I ain't know too much about Warner Brothers.

So then as I, you know, fast forward through my life, as I started doing TLC, and I would do interviews and say stuff about Prince, you know, like I'd go up on Prince. So one day he tells me in LA Reed, come to Paisley Park. He had just finished building Paisley Park. And he had changed his name for the symbol, You know, he was early on the internet. And so we go there, and I see him walking down this long corridor.

And I'm like, holy shit, that's him. I'm like, my idol, like, and he's walking. He's got this cane. He's like, got this pimp walking. He's coming down this corridor. So he was actually walking. Oh, he was walking. He got a cane, but he was pimp walking.

And he pulled up on me and he just put the cane in my face like this and said, Michael Jordan should make his own Nike. And I was like, huh? That's why the first thing he said to you? The very first thing my idol ever said to me. But then he goes, come. here and now i'm just like now we're going to like wonka land he takes me in a room with all these clothes and he's like see everything in here we make all of that it's all mine we make

everything in house everything's in house see this got to make your own stuff i'm like all right cool he says he'll tell you michael jordan should have made it on nikes all right cool so then we go in another room he's sitting at the console singing bet you by golly wow he just sits down and start singing bet you by golly wow and he's putting itself in different harmonies and i'm just sitting there looking at this dude it's insane he gets up boom come on let me show you this He's walking me around, Paisley Park, showing us all the stuff, right? So he goes, you know what, man, I'm going to do a concert for you. Because now, because I was just talking about all his songs, and I know every record,

sister party uphead, all the, everything, B-Sides. And so he's like, you come back tonight, I'm going to do a concert for you. I'm like, shit, okay. So me and L.A. Lee, we come back later on at night. We go into what is like the glamour. I mean, the big studio he has, like in Graffiti Bridge. And so now he's called about maybe 20. people from being on the internet at that time you know he had this whole glam slam

thing so just us sitting in there and all of a sudden lights go off boom smoke comes off he's on a moving sidewalk playing 1999 he's coming in this moving sidewalk lights man full on concert right so I'm like whoa shit you know then he starts to go what do you want to hear next and I'm like she's always in my hair he goes one two three four bring down what do you want to hear next like one, two. Like he would go into him that fast like with his band, right?

So then he goes and starts jamming and he starts playing this song I did called Black People on the Highland Place Monsters record. De Nights played it the other day. Thank you, D. Nikes, by the way. Shut up to D. Nice. Yeah.

Hey. Played out of D. Nice. Love you, D. Nice. And so he starts playing this song Black people and he goes, I got one of my favorite producers in the house.

Dallas, come to the stage. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to say with Stave with Prince. That ain't happening. Like, he's going to outplay you. He always battles people. He always challenges people. Like, he did the shit to Lenny, and I saw what he did to Lenny on that. He called Lenny Kravitz-O-Dead.

And Lenny started doing the tinkin-to-kinky. He started, he's killing this shit. So I'm like, I'm not going on the stage. Well, a security guard comes down and says, Go. Boss wants you on the stage. I said, no, no, man, I'm good, man. I'm good. He said, no, no, you got to I got to take you to the stage. You got to tell him

you're good. shit. So he keep going, Dallas, come to the stage. On the mic. On the mic. Yeah, full on wife's playing. What's Dallas? Dallas. Dallas. Come to the stage. I'm like, shit. Is he saying that like, Prince? Dallas? Dallas! Dallas! I know his musicians are incredible. They're like, okay, I can play some stuff. I play some instruments. Yeah, but they play all day. That's all they got to do. 24-7 is be ready for when Prince say, one, two, three, play this, right? So I'm going to fuck. Okay, I'm not going near guitar.

That's for sure. So I go, where the keyboard guy is, come down, let's play it. So now, he's playing a guitar at the time. So he's thinking to the key, I got this. I go, get over the keyboard on. Check it, I'm playing with him like this. Yeah, it's good.

I look back for two seconds. I look back over him. This nigga will put on a big-ass keyboard. Right? One of these, the shit you can carry around? Like this. And he comes back, me, come on, get some. Not the key song.

But it's big. It's like bigger than here, this shit is huge. He just, whew, he's just wearing my ass out. He is fucking wearing my ass out. And this is loud in the mind, too. So I'm not standing a chance. I just turn my shit around, turn it down, turn the whole volume off, and go crazy. Killing the shit.

Yeah, but I... Hey, you're the smartest motherfucker ever exists. I got to do that at least one time. Man, nothing better than going to go to stage a damn with somebody, just turn that shit down. And watch how good your shit is. You ain't worried about making no mistakes, nothing. You're just rocking out. Then he came to Atlanta one time.

I was talking to him on the phone, and when DeAngelo did it, how does it feel? I was like, man, you should take your name Prince back. Really? Why? Like, because it's time of missing. This dude's got the record sound like you. It's kind of makes you feel like Prince. You just, come on, man, this is crazy because we should talk a lot of times about masters.

I had labels for so long that, you know, that's why I like the guru of it because I've been through all the fires, you know what I'm saying. So I started having an independent record company myself at 20 years old. And from that point on, from that to free world or everything. So that's embedded in his head when he talks to me. And he was always Dallas, you know, they own the slaves. When they own the master, you're a slave, you know. Oh, shit, they get $300 million. dollars, what are you then? You know, it's all for either this or that, but he was really

headstrong about doing that. So as I'm talking to him on the phone about taking his name Prince back, his fax is coming through free TLC, free TLC. And I'm like, is that you? Well, yeah, you tell L.A. Reed, you know, when he frees TLC, you know, what does this got to do about your name coming back, bro? He was just like, that's it. You tell L.A.R.R. So then when he shows up this night and he comes to Atlanta to play a Prince concert, I'm like, he can't be playing a Prince concert, you know. He would call and say, guess what I'm playing a Prince concert? So so enough, I go down to the concert, and he has a room full of people sit around like this, and he's trying to make them play his records, because remember, they banned playing

his records. Because when you're at Warner Brothers, we had a label like that, the worst thing you can do is have a catalog that big and then try to go against them at the end of the day because they're going to beat you with your own catalog. All right. So once he left Warner Brothers and called his daughter records and said, fuck that, I'm going to go be prints and the symbol and the sign and all this. They said, okay, go ahead, go a tantrum. We're going to put out all your shit and it's going to kill everything you're doing. So they put out those B size. Remember that set they did, they had everything on the B size, the this, to that, the others. But he came back this night trying to get people to play his record, and he had all the radio people in Atlanta sitting

in the room like this. So I walk in the room and he goes, aha, now Dallas is here. Now we can really get down to it. So I'm like, get down to what? I'm telling all of them, they're slaves in here because they can't play my record. They listen to their masters at the radio station the Program directors or master, and they're slaves. Are right, Dallas? I'm in Atlanta. I live with these people. I can't be saying that shit like that, you know. And so finally, but I'm looking at him, I'm like, he got his hair flipped like the prince

covered. He got the little, you know, khaki raincoat on. And so I keep looking at him, like, is he going to play, be Prince for me tonight and not say nothing? He's going to just kind of keep going off on them. Like he's going to say, yo, so you, I got a new record coming out. You can't play my record. without your program director, right?

And you might be like, well, no, I could play it a couple times. See, slave, you. And I'm just over there, like, whoa. One guy, he goes, you can't play my record, right? Because I got a new record coming to my. What about you? He says, I got a gospel station. I sing the god.

See, slave, right? But then he clears it all up. He goes downstairs and we go to watch the concert. And I keep thinking, if he comes out playing uptown, he comes out with that snare drum. He's going to play this whole fucking. from Prince show. Sure enough, he came out with a snare drum. He came out full on prints, full on trench coat, first guitar, hair, red bandana playing head, sexuality, all the prints shit,

right? So about halfway through the show, he said, turn the lights up for a second. And he goes, you still going to the master slave thing again. You know, if they're on your masters, that makes you a slave. Therefore, I got a new record coming out. And if anybody want to get my record, Dallas got go talk to Dallas. I'm like, what? Lights on, bright light in the house. Got to get it from Dallas. Ticket, think it, think, think, take it.

One, two, three, four. So I get a dark. You got to get it from Dallas. Dallas got the music. Dark was next day in my studio, bro. It was a lot of cars lying down the street, right? The phone's going off all day long, and I don't know what's going on.

Like, I don't know what he's talking about. I have no idea what he's talking about. For Dallas, about this Prince record. I called his people. I said, Charlotte's to my sister. He's got to call them and ask them what's going on with this. It's crazy. People keep calling about prints.

They call him, and boss said, how many pieces you want. One. Yeah. It's me how many pieces I want. He said, don't you got a record company, a record store? I said, no, man, I got a record company. That's a different story. I don't have a record store.

Oh, he said, oh, he thought you wanted to buy his records and put him on the record store. I said, no, man, but y'all got a bunch of people out here that want to get this shit. So I guess he'll put it out of him, man. No, he's, um, he's, you know, with that, he was, he was just the baddest. To me, it was, it was, it was just, he's the baddest person that ever hit the planet. Man, that's the craziest shit ever. As Fred said, you got his record. Yeah, like, I'm in the record store, so.

And didn't tell you shit about, I didn't even heard the record. I don't know what he's talking about. This shit's crazy. You can't even ask him about the record. So, what's over the record? I don't know what you thought you want something for me too slave what is what is it slave shit sleep that I'm used to have it written on the side of his face nigger asked a question whatever the answer is slave hey man I saw a piece of a

interview that tiny did and she said you told him they sung too loud would escape Yeah. Well, I mean... Oh, real. He said this shit. No, because, like, when they... Because, like, when they all sung out, you know what I'm saying?

Like, they all sing in, like, full voice for them. So they were saying I understand or whatever to sing it's full voice. And when we were doing, like, TLC, things like that, we were just working... They're smooth shit. It was just different. And that's what made them, I think,

appealed to people because they was singing out like that and they had such everybody was singing from here you know and maybe that's why they were getting it to it too because everybody was just like singing from here usually somebody is singing from there somebody's softer somebody's harder somebody could sing loud all of them singing from here and that was just like new in that sense you know even in vogue was singing like softer and like different in the tones than escape if you listen to escape stuff so it wasn't it wasn't just louder it was like really singing from the gut, which makes you sing that. Bro, that shit was so funny.

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You got the best goddamn outlook on how it landed the change. Like, what's the biggest differences? Ooh, man. Well, no, it was crazy. is like, during the late, during the early 90s and stuff, like, we were going to jelly beans and, you know, it was always, it was big dope boys back then, like, the Miami boys was here,

like, and so it was always, like, you know, it was a little bit crazy, it was always killings and stuff, and then we saw Atlanta go through a phase where music kind of came in, and I think people started to say we could do that, and so all that started to change it to a whole music focus, like, once I did another bad creation, then Jermaine did criss-cross, and then the rest of development came we start covering these different spectrums like of the south that start making us have our own shit going on you know what I'm saying because we all always like with New York ain't accepting us Californian accepting us we got to make our own shit and that was the first wave

of us starting to get like our own amalgamation because we were pulled from everybody we like Hank Shockley we like Dr. Trey we weren't scared to be like I like everybody we want to sound like everybody so it was it was interesting because you know we didn't really know we just wanted to get to we never we just wanted to get to this point at some point you know but first it's about riding around listen to that shit in your car on 285 or like dressing the act putting the pictures to it making the music feeling oh shit and then we just ride out listening to it um and then when people started getting successful you saw Atlanta change into the record the late the lawyers started to get right everybody started to get record company

just like this shit is popping we need a record company we need a record company so it opened up the Gates for a lot of talent to go through also, you know, and then New York and L.A., they used to call us like, what do y'all know down there that we don't know? What is going on? Like, y'all got something crazy going on. Like, y'all are selling record records because other people wasn't selling records like that. Like, like them in the Merries and New York records, they would do their platinum's and double platinum. We were doing like 9, 10 million records, 10,000, 10,000 million records. Like, our first thing, if a record was coming out, we'd be like, damn, man, how many are we going to sell the first week? Five hundred thousand or 700,000.

92 up she is seven yep 92 all the way up to like Napston and everything else kicked in because our record range was like distribution back in the day meant that you had trucks and you had to print it from somewhere and the trucks had to take it to Walmart or take it the tower wherever it was going and if you were in different territories like if you're in london or if you're in wherever you are around the world it wasn't like now we can hit a button and it goes everywhere they had to literally print them up over there and ship them over there and all this right So the record sales was different, and you know, like $20 for an album, $16 for album. So we were making so much money, and it was enough for everybody because it was just so much money crammed into that CD cost back then.

And then it wasn't that accessible. So if you sold, you sold. It wasn't no other way to get it, you know. Somebody went to go get that. Hell yeah. So we were selling it. You said that about the shit. I got to go get it.

I got to go get that. I got to go get that. earlier tower you know the new guy coming out i gotta go get that i gotta be out the first one to get it so you know seeing that transformation and then we went through where uh we were selling so many records down here it was just like and that's what's making us to stay to this point because we saw so many types of records out of Atlanta um so many types of artists you started to see people sprout up like they'll come up they'll come to the studio one day you know singing a song like you know Aaron hall or something you're like oh look at this kid this let me tell you this story down

right he was performing guy had this they performed after this comedy show we had this nigger aaron hall singing this song sound exactly like the cd nigga this nigga this nigga was singing wiped his face and didn't even fuck up the song i was like this nigga ain't real that shit that shit sound exactly like the shit like this nigga was playing this nigga was singing that's because it wasn't no autotune back then it's like that he got to realize that if you can sing you had to be able to sing bro wasn't no way that matter of fact what's what invented auto tune is people going like even when we did TLC they say like don't y'all got that thing on their voice like it ain't no thing to have on their voice you just got to keep doing that shit

until you get right and so people kept thinking that about stuff that isn't that something magic box that fixes it like when I was doing another bad creation I would sample their whole verse and fix it with a pitch wheel on the keyboard because it was five you can't you know you had to have a guideline singing and then try to fix it like this but you know I think that's one of the biggest differences today is that you had to be able to have talent because they had to spend so much money on you to record you. Like, half of the shit you hear right now, more than half of it. We never got signed, ever, because you had to spend money on the shit. So if somebody came in your room and they're going, hey, when that whole shit was going on where everybody

singing on Lean, I'm like, what the fuck is this? Like going up on the Tuesdays and those kind of records are coming around. And people, I was sitting at BMI one day, and I was sitting with some the country people, and he was performing that record, and I was like, if this song walked into your office in the country in Nashville, what would you say about this? He said, what the fuck is going on? Because it takes so much money. When you're doing music music, it takes money to record the talent. And if you're not talented, I'm not going to spend my money on you. User-generated content came in, let's say around the time of Soldier Boy, right, where it meant that you can make your music on the computer, upload your music, and distribute

it at MySpace, right? So now you're going to cut out the distributors, you don't cut out the talent gate. You don't cut out everybody who can say no. and it's only up to the consumers. Now, most of the consumers you got, can't sing, can't rap, they can't do none of that either, right? So that's why some of the most simple shit that you wonder, why is that making it?

Because most of the people that sing it and rapping, they can't sing and rap either. So that's easy for them to say that. It's easy for them to sing along to that. And when that floodgate opened, instead of it being like, hey, I want to sing as great as Whitney or I want to sing as great as performance

as great as this person or Michael, whoever, it started being like, oh, my caliber is down here because that shit, I can do what he's doing. So I just want to do, and so that opened up this gate of user-generated content and lowered the quality of music that you had to reach for in order to make it. Like, you had to really, like, go through, like, for us,

I spent so much time playing keyboards and playing over songs and learning how to write songs in my life. It was just, I don't even know how many hours it's been because they didn't do shit else. You know, it wasn't as easy as let me turn on my Mac and it's going to do it for me. Or here's the 808 sounds, so that's half the songs already. So it wasn't, you know, we used to search for drum sounds. Like, how do I find a snare drum? How do I find a high head that Jermaine ain't using?

How I'm like, our sounds was like our grill. Like, no, you can't get my sounds, dog. That's my sounds, you know what I'm saying? No, I was like, oh, I got to get my sounds. You can have them. Niggas, let me shit out somebody about his sounds. Look, I heard that goddamn drum pat him before my motherfucker. You don't get fucked up over them.

What the fuck is wrong with this big, man? I'm telling you. Oh, you thought I wasn't going to say shit. So you're saying those not my symbols? So they're not my symbols? Nicky, you ain't never used a triangle in your motherfuckin' life. Okay. I'll never use a triangle.

Since when, since when do niggas, since when do niggas come in on the xylophone? I'll tell you since when, since we've been getting there, motherfucker, thing. This thing played a harmonica. I used to be mad. I hear them, damn, they took my snare drum. I had my one snap, you know, everybody at some point have your sound. that you like, I would always just veer away

and any time something got popular, I would go try to do some whole other shit. So if like, if I did enough over here, and I'm like, well, let me go do pop rock. Let me go do pink and Gwen Stefani and Anastasia and Durandoran and all this kind of stuff. Because I grew up on a lot. You know, I grew up on all that shit wanting to beat them and watching them on MTV

with their keyboards with the names on the back. And I just wanted to have one keyboard that I could afford with my name with Corg or Roland or something on the back of that shit, you know. And my mom, my brother financed it for me in Columbus and it took, it was like $1,200. It took five years of finance this shit. God damn. It was broke, broke, broke.

It was broke, broke, broke. And I was like, I got to get the fuck out of here. This is going to be my saving grace. And that's... Took the keyboard with you. Yeah, my brother... I was down there playing Get It Up in Columbus, Georgia, right? And my mom's down in...

We went in the hood, hood, and the house was a little crooked, and the restaurant was connected to it. And that's what she had the Soul Food Restaurant. But I was playing Get It Up over and over again on this keyboard that he bought me that I just died the hat, the rolling GX3P, right? And he came in and mom said clean up. Mom said clean up. He owned Budwizers, you know, I ain't paying attention to it.

He picked the keyboard up and throw it and it breaks into like a million pieces and shit. So I'm like, I go into shock right now. I just have a knife fetish when I was a kid because everybody's bigger to me. So I just get knives and play, foo, foo, boom, boom, right? You know how your brother used to hold you down and put the knees and chest, put the Charlie Horse in and stuff and shit? Yeah, because I was the youngest one, so they would do all that shit. So I had the knife thing. So I went downstairs, got the biggest knife if I could find out the kitchen.

My mom was, where you going? When I'm fucking killing. He broke my keyboard. Ran upstairs a knife and tried to get him my brother. And my mom was like, where are you doing? So I made a big-ass deal out of and said, fuck that. This dude brought my keyboard. Greyhound Bus Station is next door from my house, like three doors down.

I packed my shit up and went to Greyhound. I'm going to Atlanta. I'm like 12. My mom was like, so it was nighttime too. I'd be crying all day and shit. It's going to broke my keyboard. So I used to sleep with the keyboard. I was like, I started with a Cassio.

like mom every Christmas get me a bigger keyboard you know what I'm saying and so I got now to some shit that I can actually be in bands with and sound like this shit on the radio you know shit was tough damn so I'll buck my shit up so I'll she came on the Rayhound bus station she was like yo what are you doing like I'm going to Atlanta still my T. Clara I can't make it down here this thing I broke my keyboard and she's like are you serious so you know you just mad I know you mad just come on back home and like we'll talk about it and tomorrow if you still feel that way then you know I go home sit down looking my keyboard all night

Mad as shit, I get back up next morning, pack my shit, take some money out the cash register because, you know, you got our own little soul food restaurant. Get some money out of the cash register. I'm going to go back to the bus station, yo, and I'm sitting there this day time now, so I'm ready. I'm waiting on that Atlanta bus to come. I'm out. Mad as fuck. The mom was like, yo, what are you doing? You really leaving me, huh? I'm like, he broke my business. my keyboard I cannot be a big record producer down here this dude broke my shit she said I'll tell you what you that serious give me some time to sell that restaurant I'm going with you you ain't leaving me down here she said give me three months sell the restaurant I'm going to go to Atlanta with you I got to find a job whatever but give me the time you did that determine to go we're going she left we came up in she started working at

Pope folks on old national while she was doing that I was in Charlestown like this all day long wires went into the bathroom niggas recording like the chip and so when the dudes in the neighborhood come singing recording all the time she's coming home with flower on her face mad as hell like my brother selling dope up and down godby road we just had a full on going on all day that's why an atl my uncle george and the movie was real and we used to get locked in the was a safe way on old national something like that and clean up at night and um and we were going skating every sunday and during that time it was like it was just amped up bro it was just like everything you can have going down dope deals all day long.

Dope deals go out on their post office parking lot. He comes back to the one. You just drunk that shit. Yeah, you're really 18 years. Uncle George, that's my uncle. Yeah. We mean, y'all did safe way. This shit is regular to you.

You fucking my whole life. You know what you're going from here and over there. First and foremost. My joint needs to make his own Macon. Come here. You want to tell about the sound? You want one? Hey, I'm listening to the shit and you like...

But we don't have none because they're slaves. That's slave food. That is... That is... Slaves. You'll work with everybody from... Even J.T. Money, y'all. That was one of my favorite people of all the time.

What people don't realize that tricky steward who that right they don't know who they think they do that but that's chicky stuart and bro we just found out you produced must be the money oh shit you are the infamous producer but hands must be the money Dallas Austin produced must be the money oh oh oh we have been searching you trying to do that yeah yeah he did this is your work come on man Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, let me tell you that now, this is a good one. All right, so, Shug Knight is at my studio.

That's a good one. No, that's exactly how a good story started out. Me and Shudan Knight, we're at Subway. He had the studio, right? I had a group illegal, making Jamar, so he was trying to get work from, from Dray and from Colin Wolf. So he's there one day, and this is Dallas. Deon's saying is want you to do a song on him.

You know, we got him on death row now. He wants you to do a record on him. My initial response was like, no, man, I mean, he's a football player. I love Deon. He's great. He's got to go to his club, all that, but singing a song? No, man, he want to rap a song. He wants you to do it.

I'm like, Shug, man, I'm not talking to Shug, by the way. So I'm like, shit, I'm in this instance right now. Like, what do I do, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, nah, man, it's just, I don't know if I can do that. I said, bro, I don't think that's going to work out. He said, I'll be right back. He comes back in, he got a photo album. Full of cars.

Pick a car. It's Lamborghinies. It's Rose Royces. It's all, pick a car, man. Just whatever car you want, I get to you. Go ahead, take care of that for me with Dion. I'm like, thinking myself, I can't not take a car from this, nigga. That's going to make me go, like, they don't be really indebted.

I can't do this. It's like, you know what to ride with you. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, you're going to get to ride and I got you. I'm like, I can't do that either. So he goes, God doesn't talk to Deion. He comes back. He said, Deion really want you to do the song, man.

Now I'm feeling like, there's a sneaker about to be like, you're going to do it? Yeah, you got one more chance. He said, I'll tell you what. He just wants you to do must be the money over from a must be the music, man. I give you $250,000 to do that right now. I said, you want me to take must be the music and do must, you want me to do that now?

For $250,000? He's, I get you right now. I got their record in the back, my nigger. Let's go. I went straight back to the back. Went through my records. Oh, yeah. Must be the music.

I love this record. Let's go. Put it together. Boom, boom. That's the most money I ever got paid for one song like at one time like that. Shout out the Shugnard.

Shout out the Shugn. Shat up money. Dallas Austin produced. Shout out to Deion too because nobody knew I did. And then by the time, I didn't think Dion was going to go through all the way with it,

but by the time they did it, he was full on, you know. He did it. He did it all the way. You're right. Nobody know I did that record either because I was like, oh, man.

You have done so much music with, shit, everybody who's good. Madonna. Oh, yeah. That's the freaky's nigga in the world. I just want you to know why he said that's the freakyest nigga in the world right there, Dallas. You know how every crew got a nigga, that's him. He got an ankle fetters, like his ankles to be out. This nigga remains the same temperature, no matter of this season.

You know, man, it was crazy because working with Madonna, it was more like, you know, again, I'm Atlanta to death. I got, like, dreads down in here. I'm at my studio. Like, I'm just in my own shit. And I ain't really, like, too, you know, shaken by anybody. But then they called and said, okay, she called the studio. And my security guard come. man some somebody's talking about she madonna on the goddamn phone i'm like yeah right yeah man

somebody's talking about she madonna on the phone so i'm like huh he's like no i told them what i know it wasn't her man so you know but they didn't call like one or two times or something like so i'm like and this wasn't the back day when you had the text and all that so it's like all right so then they called again he's like you want to take this call and i said yeah and then i paid the phone to it was dallas i'm like holy shit this is madonna ain't it so yeah it's like oh because you weren't spect her to be called in the studio but a manager had talked to mine before I gave him a number. So she's like, I want to come to Atlanta

and come have a meeting with you. And so I'm like, all right. So she calmed down and I'm still Atlanta to death, bro. I'm like, back then I didn't talk at all. I wouldn't speak talking to nobody. I was just like, chilling. And so she came in and then we started to, she's like, y'all, we want my record to sound like,

what you do, I love your records, I love this, and then the other, and so she said, so we hit it off good and she goes, well, I got, But I'm going to be in California, I want you to come out to Miami and California, come meet the people we work away, da-da-la. So I'm kind of like on a little Madonna tour, right? First stop is going to be L.A., and then I'm going to go to Miami, right? I meet her out there. So I go to L.A., and she has this castle, right?

It's the castle that I think Al Capone or somebody used to live in. But she painted this shit, burgundy and yellow stripes, the whole castle. What? Bruh. In L.A. Wait a minute. Just like you said, Madonna ball. Castle.

She was a castle, bro. She was a castle, bro. I'm going to put this weed down. Because the shit you be saying, the shit he'd be saying so regular, nigga McDonald got a castle. The shit was a castle, but she painted

this shit striped, right? Like burgundy yellow or something shit, and that was the big trip about it. So I go to the house. She ain't there. The housekeeper's there, but she had told me already and I was talking, she goes, you know,

I got a ghost. I said, what you mean? She said, I got a ghost in my place in L. and I could tell it's a woman because she throws my shoes around sometimes or buy something like a carpet or something I come in the room and it's missing

so I'm like all right I was Michael Jackson I know so for real right so I go to this house and she's not there I'm supposed to be there in L.A., but she's like go stay at the castle while you

know so me and my man Dayy Gates we grew up in there we're like shit look at this in the fucking castle like we just like this is out of control long castle tables big castle doors like everything was just insane we ain't we never seen nothing like that being from alana either so i go in the room and so we jumped on the bell like shit let's turn on beat t so we're like watching tv like sitting there drinking beer like smoking because it's just me and day there you know what saying and the housekeepers

downstairs right so this it's a wall like when you walk out the door it's like it's like you see how those doors against those walls right there they flat the castle door is huge it's flat against the wall right so we've been in there just tripping like i'm just like bugging like we're here my daughter fucking road like you know get ready walk out to go to my meeting that that damn castle door slammed so hard bro it just went foo gow so we was like what the fuck dave's like what the fuck was that because it's impossible for the door to do that right housekeeper's coming up to step she's like oh yeah that's the ghost she's just mad y'all's in the room i still got the garage door opener because i left

I was supposed to go back that night so I had the gates open at the state. That shit slammed so hard. It was insane. And then by the time we started working together, I was hanging on my man, I was hanging with my man Jack, I'm looking at Haitian Jack. I was hanging with him when we started working with Madonna. And that's how they got there, you know, the Tupac, Haitian Jack, Madonna, connection, all of that. start going on at the same time but boy you are the square root

of black history nigger but it's just like it's like Martin Luther King was like death you got Atlanta bro dude we came up in an era like everything was just like

I think it was the verge of everything you know us starting everything and then it was afresh the city started just rolling the city started just being like everybody just became interested in us Everybody from everywhere became interested in Atlanta, like, what's going on there? How do we get a sound of it? How do we get a piece of it?

And it just became that time when everybody was just rolling, like, the East Coast West Coast Battle started here, right down the Jaguars, right of the club here, for all of us in that J.D.'s party. It's like, you know, so much stuff has happened. All of us in the spot, and there's puff and there's Shug, and there's the beef in the club, and everybody's all tents and shit, and the next thing you know, because outside, his boy get popped across the street, Man, there we go, East Coast, West Coast. From that point on, all that shit just kept going and kept going. But I was started right out here.

That's crazy, man. Yeah, man. It is a product to everybody. And then, you know, for me doing that time, I was just working with everybody, Mick Jagger and Stevie Nix and every big kind of rock star I started bringing into town. Kind of just rolling around Atlanta with people like that. And then it's taking them, taking them to MJQ,

like taking Janet Jackson, the MJQ. You do know you was fucking people up when you was doing that. Like, nigger, I might have been hot, but I was an old national land night, bro. It was fucking, uh, Dallas Austin and Mick Jagger in that bitch. Get some lemon pepper wings at the motherfucking pros'ness. I swear to God, bro. It was Dallas Austin, Bob Brown, and Michael McDonnell.

It was J.T. Money. The nigger with a yellow suit on. Dallas thought that he wasn't talking to nobody because, you know, he'd hear the music in his head, so he can't. That's what niggas used to say, bro. Bro, Dallas don't be talking because he hear music in his head.

Man, I don't hear a move. You still get your motherfuckers trying to get you to fuck with the thing with me? He had notorious silence for me. The thing was, it was a trip because I was really just shy of shit, and so I would have my shades on all the time because I didn't want to be fucking with nobody, right?

But then he was like, oh, that was how cool he is. I don't, I just want to go home, nigga. Like, I don't even want to be in him. I don't want no class rang. I don't want to do none of that shit. I want to go to prom. I just want to go to crib. I was always that dude. And so it just kind of came along with the territory of then doing so much shit at the same time, man. You just knew what to do when the fuck to do it, though. Like, your whole life. Your timing is impeccable.

Yeah, this motherfucker ain't missed none of the shots when it was time. Like, he knew when it was time to go. Let me do something else, man. Sell that restaurant. Get the fuck out of Madonna's camera. Come on. Come on. I promise you. I'm going to be in Madan's camera. Castle, fucking a ghost, she's gonna get mad. That's the part he left out. He stayed one night before, fucking around. Like, Madonna, fuck me. And Madonna ain't shit for leaving you in a haunted castle.

With a ghost. With a ghost. She ain't even tamed her own ghosts, man. Dallas, stay in my house and see if the ghost is there. The people down said, that goddamn ghost gonna be mad. She got the niggles up there in that big. You know that ghost are like black people? They're up there watching Mike Dyson and shit on 8.

The goddamn ghost just passive-aggressive old white bitch. Nick, ah! Nigger! I wish you would leave. You gotta tell my ass twice, I'm out of there. Don't bet you're a neighbor. Damn, man. Ghost's got to work the other way too, though.

You got to hunt the shit out of white people. It's got to be some black girls fucking with them, you know somebody gentrified a crack house. The middle of night, the stove just cut on. Hey, are you boiling water? Babe, you see my wallet? Every morning I wake up is $20 in this one of all? Babe, I know I'm not tripping.

I'm not tripping that's 80 bucks this week. Did you put this bacon soda on the counter? You slept food that they're both way. I keep dropping the meatballs. It's crazy, huh? This is the niggas getting revenge out there. Just unhooking the cable slowly. On their favorite shit, they just changing their channel.

I don't know why it keeps going to BET. I'm single walking baby boy. I see there's plenty of time. The TV just pop on in the middle of the night. Oh, shit. Oh, man. That's just hilarious. It's the thing we got, you know,

it used to be a point where in Atlanta, we didn't really, you know, you know that's for new york people at all right so got to the point that even when puff people wanted to come down here and niggas start calling each other like big boys start calling out yeah you know queenlete for them trying to buy land we're gonna do that shit i don't know dog uh you they're trying to buy land on old nashit we're gonna let them do that shit i don't know man what y'all think what you think what you think because this shit's country we protect that shit because so many people ran in ran in here and either fucked us over

or ran out or kind of you know took the culture ran out you know so we always been and gipping them was the worst about it yippin them was just like oh No, no, no, no, no. Uh-uh, zaka, zaka, zaka, uh-uh, he's coming down here. Don't come down here trying to steal all the countrymen land. Hey, uh, but then when I left, uh, I had Rowdy in New York, and, um, L.A. was supposed to have, you know, Routty being the rap label, but then L.A. some kind of way sound outcast to, to LaFace.

And I'm like, well, hold on, it's supposed to be the rap label. Oh, man, I ain't think you really liked them like that. You didn't think I like outcast? I'm from Atlanta. What you talk about? That nigga, you know, he said, they just, they said you, what, because I would, because, you know what it is? They had just, you know, players ball took off from being a, um, a record that was a Christmas song. It was the Christmas song, right?

Right. And when it took off, they needed something to take off because Lafay said that point was just getting that went through a lot of down, you know, acts that spent a lot of money and stuff like that before they really started making money again. Right. And so then I got mad. I was like, you know what? I'm up here in New York. Don't want to be up in this motherfucker. in the first place and then you're going to sign out casta to the face I'm out so

when it class I got to go to Atlanta I don't want to be up here and so he was like all right well because I thought he was going to be like okay we're going to close the label down like no no no no no take it with you let's start over like just you know if you know want to go to Atlanta I understand and at the same time Puff had got into it with Andre and was getting fired for Uptown so he called me and was like though I don't know what to do you And so I flew up to New Jersey. I was like, dude, you should have a label. Won't you start your own shit, too?

He had already been doing records with Uptown. I had like two labels at the time, Routy and I had another one called Lemp. And I said, you should start your own label, dude. Just move, do your own shit. So then we took him to Arrister, he did the deal with Clive. I said, another thing is it, take my offices because I want to go home. So he took those officers, the Rowdy offices, and then I moved Routty down here on Marietta Street.

took the floor of Marietta Street and then South Monica. There's too much information. Man, black history. I wasn't going to end. I was like, like, at one point I was like, you know that shit should be a movie, but then you would tell a story and I was like, oh, nigger, that is the movie.

That's your movie. But you got even most shit that need to be a movie. Unless you're going to tell me this movie at the end of this one, too. So you gave your office the pub. Yeah, he turned him into the bad boy offices. And then I got office down. Now, this is a crazy part. My office downtown on Marietta Street is a full floor across in the newspaper, right?

And you know who the parking lot guys was? Alex and them, Alex G. I heard. A.G. Entertainment. Come on, man. He was the parking lot guys. Come on, man. He was collecting tickets for the, for the, uh.

He did all the clubs. Yeah. Shout out to Alex. He was, he started with us long before, you know, a long time ago. But like, just to see everybody evolve into what they've evolved to shock up being at a Spotify now. When he was at the radio stations, like everybody is just a, involved into, you know, grown-ass people, I guess. We don't even know it.

What is. Hey, man. What can you say? Right, man. What can you say? It all come back to, like, whatever you, I'm telling you. TLC.

Don't ask if Dallas. Oh, damn. Fucked it. Because I'm sure he did. Especially if she is of that freak nick age. It's over. Don't even ask them. You know, we're having a good time, Role.

He was having a blast back then. Let it go. He didn't even talk to it. Hey, I talked to him, man. What are you like? Do you like me? Man, TLC, man, they was right here in Atlanta. Yeah.

It was funny when I was. When I went to have a meeting with them, I knew T-Bos from the skating rink. ATL was supposed to be called Jelly Beans, by the way. And so Lauren London kind of plays T-Boss character, like, where she, we wasn't dating them, but she was like, she was a real tomboy. Like, she'd be at the skating rinked down like this, and she dancing, she's yieking with everybody. She ain't on, you know, so she was part of me, Rico, T-Baz, all of us knew each other,

Devine. We'd be all at the skating rink. And when I went to meet with them, because L.A. said, I got this group. And so I wanted to meet with them. I'm like, by the time I was like, okay, come on, everybody wanted to be a group in Atlanta now. Because everybody started popping up with AX. AX stopped black, three black girls, the this, the that. Everybody was just popping over that.

And so when I said with them, I'm like, oh, shit, y'all are going to be a group, too? And there's like, L.A. was like, yeah, you know, I don't know what to do with them. So they performed, like, one of the Teddy Rally songs. And I was like, I know what to do with them, you know. And then that's when we started writing all the songs and we were just living out at the time because they were like that in the first place We were just young and wilder and you know making records about what we were doing for real And then all this shit started happening like you know the pebble started putting the thing on them where the girls was really insecure about singing in the movie Yeah, that movie was like the like the lifetime but you know what's crazy is

People just didn't understand they wasn't telling the truth it wasn't about it wasn't about what was happening and now. It's like you don't tell them the truth. Like one thing about me and my artist, I'm going to tell you how it is. This is right here. I'm going to spend this. You can do that. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. That's this. That's that. That's how this is it is. They didn't do that back in the street back then. It was more like what you didn't know. Instead of what you did know. So, you know, if somebody came to you right and said, hey, well, your video is going to cost two and a half million dollars. Your this is going to cost that. Your this is going to cost that. Your balance is going to be right here. Do you want to go ahead and move on with this? They would have said, yeah. right but you say no it's just that after you shoot all that shit and after you see how expensive it all is and look at the books and you say this is how much money we spent on the project they just didn't understand under that

you know and so that's they sometimes ignorance is bliss like the way that they got the deal is they kept saying I remember they kept saying Mary J. Blige Blige got this much money we ain't got that much and it wasn't true they just heard that in the streets Mary J. Blige Blige got this so much we getting that so they was just like Barry J. Blige's got $200 million

I don't think she got $200 million dollars like this was on a second album yes they did they gave away more money than us so them not back and down off of that and then them going up to arista and um taking them girls from techwood they took a whole crew of girls from tech wood and put them in the car and they drove straight to new york these girls don't know nothing about nobody at all they just know tech wood they took them to arrester them girls went up in their puff was on the phone they went up in the um in the office on the phone from pups and tlc need to talk to clive davis What is going on?

And the girls went in there stood behind Clive like this. Two big old girls like Techwood girls took behind like this. And it was like, we want to know what our country said. You got the money. You say L.A.'s got the money.

We won't know who got the money. So we ain't leaving it to. We found out who got the money. While they're doing that, the other girls that's going up and down Arresta, taking down plaques off the wall to take home. Oh shit.

We're in Houston. Oh shit. TLC? They're taking the plaques off the arras the walls and taking... They got to leave with something. They'll take a plaque. That's a long as right.

But you at least got to take the TLC flag. That's odd. And they wouldn't get off. They wouldn't leave until L.A. and Clive got on the phone on speaker phone and said whatever it was in front of them. And then that's how they got their deal kind of got their deal worked out. You know, but if somebody had told, it was just that back then in that day, so much money was being spent. And nobody is telling you all these chargebacks you got. And if they did tell you what you was getting charged for, you probably would have said, yeah, you want to shoot your video.

You would have said, oh, I don't know if I want to use Hype Williams. You know, let me shoot one for $150,000 instead of $2 million. That would even across your mind because you don't even know nothing about none of that as an artist, right? So you still would have did the same thing is just that not having the information and everybody's going to always come out like the bad guy on the other side of not showing you the information. You know, that was the real key to it. Everybody's been through that same scenario if you've been in the record business because recruitment, it takes a minute for you to recoup the money that somebody said to you right now, hey man,

you'll give me $20,000 and I give back to you. So, well, no, I want $60,000 or $40,000 on them get that back. then you want your money back you know why you point in me though dahl because i know that's how it is right he was right no no no no i was gonna look away no matter who you is you do not want a motherfucker asking you for $20,000 what who got stab what we're doing now what's it going on come on what's it going on they put somebody else on you know Atlanta's the king of the flip though we don't have the best in my opinion than probably New Orleans, but we don't have the best run of, like, dudes coming out of the streets.

There's already been dope boys before and flipped their shit in the careers. And flipped it into real viable businesses and employ other people. That's the truth. Because back then, dope boys just went to jail. It wasn't. They got to the point where I think even the people in Atlanta know, they knew. Like when BMF and was running around and taking out billboards and dumping money out helicopters and doing all the shit they didn't do it.

It didn't like the city didn't know. When GZ had like a thousand snowman CDs out everywhere, nobody could he had more mixed stations and nobody ever could have out and that was breaking them so they really took

that street mentality and flipped it back in the day it used to be gangsters doing it anyway like the Tommy Mattolas and all them

was other kind of gangsters but seeing that happening in Atlanta where you know the real hustle became how do we flip these records

you know how do we turn these records into successful records and that's how it changed like we were coming up in like how do we play these dudes came up

and how do we flip the dope game how we flipped this shit into music I remember I did the hard boys back in the day. And that was one of the first, Roy C&M was one of the first kind of rap groups out of here to try to, you know, defy what was being done here already. That's what I'm saying. It don't matter how far you go back. He right there. Carry the

one. Get that there. I remember when James Brown was working on his album. That's crazy. That's crazy. James Brown to him? Well, my stepdad played for James Bond to him. Right? My stepdad played for James Bond. Right. Don't know. What about it? You never leaving. Man. You never leaving, man.

You never leaving, man. Okay, I'll tell you the funny is James Brown's story. Right? So I went on the, I used to go on the road with them when I was a kid, them in the J.Bs, right? My stepdad, who plays all the guitaries, Jimmy Nolan, or tiki-to-ting-thi-thin. So I wake up in the morning, in the third grade, smoking a piece of joint with him, right? And play those licks, like, think-a-th-th-thin-thin-thin-thin. He played all those licks here on James Brown.

So we'd get up in the morning. That was my thing. I was shy at school anyway, so nobody. knew I was smoking weed at third grade then um what what the fuck just like your pops yeah i just hit a little head right now you have had the best life i have ever seen a black man hell you know your pops got a james brown right james brown right so they they so we on this we on this tour the summer tour so i'm on with the j b's and so they line up in this uh in the hallway and you know We're talking, smoking, waiting on him to come out to his dressing room, right?

They've got their light blue tuxedos on, and they're talking shit and smoking cigarettes. I'm standing next to my step-popson, so James comes out of the room. He comes out of the room. He comes out, fired up. He walks by and slaps the shit out of everybody. Like, I'm terrified. I'm fucking terrified. What is this about?

Grown-ass men. He slapped to fuck out of all of that pow, pow, pow, pow, pow. I just remember thinking, I hope he don't fucking hit me. But so I got, we got, after it was over, I got back on the bus with them, and it was talking just like, oh shit, you know, this bad show like that. Like they didn't even pay attention to them stuff. Why he hit y'all like that? He didn't want us to mess up.

he said it's to get our attention to make sure we're paying attention you know so if he see us out there like that he's like yeah and he's like he so we don't fuck up um I can't play good after you slap me as you slap me I'm all fuck up I'm off in the muscle he would do shit like leader man like you if one person fuck up like they're playing the Bahamas one time one person fuck up he's to leave everybody everybody y'all can find your way back. And he didn't play that. He was just like, that's how he kept them tight.

But yeah, that shit's scared to hell of me. Now, fast forward. Catherine Bruton, who, she's the head of BMI that all of us love very much. She's going into BMI this one year. And she goes, you know, I think I want to start an award ceremony to BMI awards. And the first thing I want to do is I want to honor James Brown. And I want you and Pharrell and Rodney Jerkins and Chad. to be the J.Bs.

So I'm like, holy shit. This shit's crazy. There's a place, right? Ain't nobody slapped to me. Put that in my contract. If James loud slapped me, I'm swanin. I didn't even think this dude remembered me because of how long it was ago, but I guess through music and stuff,

everybody kind of the word got out, whatever. So here I am on stage. James is performing, what it is what it is, and what it is. And I'm playing, think, think, think it to do. Rills playing drums and I'm like this shit's crazy I'm like this a whoever thought I'd be playing the same shit behind James Brown and my stepdad taught me to play with James right and after we finish playing he goes then now where Jim

Nolan boy at oh shit and I'm like he's like it didn't come and grab me y'all know how long I know this boy and then because I used to be on the sweet Charles organ when they would be practicing I'll be on the sweet Charles organ like chilling and he brought it he's been in the sweet Charles organ and I was like She said, and they brought that flashback up, too. I was like, yeah, that's the same day you slap the shit out of everybody. I was like, yeah, that's the same day you slap the shit out of everybody. I didn't know, that shit's crazy.

Like, something to scare you like that. You just be like, uh, and that shit's crazy. Man, he hit them that hard. He slapped them straight. They were nobody laughing no more. They were kick in. They were gay. That d'all! The niggas was having a good time until that thing it came out. James Brown slept the phone at them next.

That dude's will work with all, man. I looked at his eye. If y'all watch Mr. Dynamite, watch Mr. Dynamite. That's a good documentary about James. You'll see all this stuff. stuff in there not all that. Yeah, yeah. There's a whole documentary just about James Brown slapping people.

It ain't got shit to do with music. I knew you would fuck him up if they messed up. No, I got to do it ahead of time. What you mean you get up? So you don't do. It's what you don't get and you don't get right. He was slapping them forehand. Damn, man.

Oh. Yeah, there's been, there's been so many. I mean, I know y'all heard the, um, when Buster was on. When Buster was on here, he was telling y'all about everybody being at the studio, right? But George Clinton, what he did is he came in, and I've seen the, I haven't seen the mothership land when I was little in Columbus, right? Because my mom's restaurant is down the street from the Coliseum, right? So I've seen all this shit when I was little, like the mothership land, because everybody come to eat soul food, then go play, right? Commodores, Zapp.

My brother would take my elementary school snare drum and sneak me in the back of the concert. He'd like, yo, do-to-to-to-to. I got the snare drum for Zap and Rogers' drummer. And then there we go, boom, we end backstage. These do this shit all the time, right? So I've been able to do one of the things that's been a trip is I've seen all these people as a kid that I would just see the tour bus sitting outside the restaurant

that go to Commodores. To a bus sitting inside the restaurant, there's George Clinton. So as I started to get, you know, up in music, I started to work with all these people. I worked with Lionel, I worked with George. And when George started coming to DARP, and he just, one weekend, he came in there on a Friday or something right.

He said, I want to use the studio. sorry dude you got it I left him in our town that came back I'm sitting like I had a room in my studio I'm sitting at 2 o'clock in the morning joy just comes out of one of the rooms do do do do do to do smoking weed do do do dude so dude you've been here this whole time so yeah man I ain't leaving this motherfucker so then if you surround that with at the same time I had Diamond D two short Buster um Eric Serman an outcast and goody we all used to be a dark and we used to hold these forums and George would sit down and tell us

about the beholder horse book like they were saying and he would tell us shit like yeah you're going to see it flood in places you've never seen the flood before and then they're going to come on TV and say hey we're FEMA we'll give you flood on his insurance and we're like really they're going to make it flood yeah they got weather machines and they're going to make it rain

and it's going to flood everywhere so he kept telling us all the shit that started to happen he was telling us in these sessions and then all of a sudden one day people are roboating by the top of their houses in Chicago I mean in Illinois or Milwaukee and you know like the roadboat over your roof you know how much water that is so and then

the commercial come on with FEMA we're the only ones can give you I'm like this dude all this shit the checks the checks turn into cash cards all this stuff he told us a long time ago and he was telling us all in this room and that's when when goody mom started doing cell therapy and stuff is when we were having these New World Order forums in the studio but look at that group like too short Diamond D Buster Eric Sermon illegal all of us will be in this whole little squad and every day we hold a forum like this and Georgia just download us with the crazy shit like NASA sending a person on the road with them when he was talking about spaceships all the time because anything you play with with space NASA want to know they don't care if you're

joking or not anything you're talking about the motherships and all that kind of stuff they want to know so they sent the person on the road with him but they were so hot they didn't even know who the person was for a long time who the fucking buddy I thought he was with you I thought he was with you Nick, I thought you were too. This man, love our music, man. Nick, been at the last 37 show. He's like, it's like 13 and 20 people. Hey, yeah, yeah.

Making something useful. It'd be like 20 people on the stage, so they didn't really know who was with him or what, you know? And so he would just download us with all this shit. And one day, I'll pull up to the studio in the short and George and all them that's standing outside and everybody's looking up in the city. sky like this and i'm like what the fuck are they doing and i pull up and sort and like yo nigger we

just seen a fucking ufo i'm like what like and it's like afternoon time it's like it ain't dark yet it's like it's like it's still like afternoon time and all them literally but they're sitting up with their head got everybody the whole inside and all them out back it's like yo we just saw the fucking ufo all of us did and i'm like what was it like you had lights going like this and a v and it was sitting over the damn studio i said that's what y'all was looking at when i pulled up it's like nigger yes like y'all niggas is high for real like really but everybody was saying it so i can understand if it was like one or two people but it's all of them all and it's like nika you see that shit you know and so george would always come tell us stories about

you know the chips and he's always been that guy but all of us basically sat in there and just pulled all kind of energy from those sessions that he would do and and it started like everybody just kind of doing that malagamation of working together like working all in different rooms and you know too short was doing getting it and georgia's producing that um but it was like it was you know i feel like Atlanta has that thing where um especially from a label standpoint everybody's like country you know what i'm saying you can go by somebody house wipe your feet before you go miss johnson house don't go fuck take them goals out for you going that so everybody has a sense of respect about each other and love for each other and all that um so i just feel

like um where to see it come from those kind of days and then to see it go into you know everybody really shooting each other and everybody really taking it to the next level was like okay everything is going to for Atlanta was really about the collectiveness that we brought together Atlanta is really about cash doing Curtis Mayfield and these nays coming out of the the hood with fur pants on and gold teeth in the calac you know what I'm saying and like that difference is what makes us really Atlanta I think that that's really now what I missed the most about it um that it's gotten really linear when it used to be so creative it used to be like and this is the place where you push your creativity to the max like I'm bringing the football

please back you should That's right. That's why Andre 3,000 had the football shoulder pads. Because he's saying you with DeKleezer said, nigga, do that from the chest up. See, that's why I'm playing a flute now. It's different. He don't need to do nothing. Is that a flute?

I think it's like a type of flute. I thought it was an oboe or some shit. Is it a flute or an oboe? Maybe it's a collected kind of. It's a flobo. It's like a combination of two of them. combination of two of them, but I thought it was a joke at first, but he really liked... It might be a bassoon.

It might be a bit soon. I know it ain't a regular flute because you're holding it like this. Yeah, no, it's something to it. It's an alto sax. I don't know. Whatever the stretched out saxophone is, I don't know. You know the music mode of me. Don't get me in here to lie about shit. I'm still tripping that the motherfucker saw spaceships.

So you're telling us it's a chance our partner, Fabo was not lying when he said he was starting to see. He was not lying. So you're fascinated by the shit that was in the air. Nigna, Michael Jackson go from right here to over there. Come on, man. And ain't nobody seen shit. Just a shirt.

Whatever color he had off. What if he didn't even have on a red shirt? That's exactly what I was thinking. Crazy shit, you'll see him driving down Ventura in the van itself, driving itself to the studio. And we were walking out to see, like, does he not know how many people would wreck? Michael Jackson's a red shirt, same hat, window down, black van, had rims and everything on it,

and he'd be sitting in the red light. If I think of the L.A., they probably thought that, look at this thing that trying to look like Michael Jackson. But we would be walking to the studio, like, going to get something to eat, and he'll be sitting in the red like, like, too, too, too. Like, crazy. Michael Roder, he had to be strapped, though, right? I just think that it's L.A., so, like, L.A. is like that you would never, But if that's really, that's not him.

That's like all these other people that look like him probably, like, riding down the street. Like, you know, they probably just didn't think twice about it. That's cold as hell. This is something of the best shit. It's so, it's so crazy because, like, even if you saw that man in the van, like, you're like, all, man, go on, bro. I'm trying to go to the crew.

Let me put this shit down in my face. Ain't no way in the fucking stupid head. Look, trying to look like Michael Jackson. Bro, when you hit that light, though, and you're hitting the blunt. And it's that long light and you look. Look at this. I ain't going to say shit. I ain't going to say shit.

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and put us up on all this game. That's all we need it. Man, anytime, bro. That's what we, I mean, that's what we got to do that's what keeps us in Atlanta. No, we ain't kicking you out. You said, James Brown slapped the shit out of everybody involved.

Everybody before the show. You're making me think I'm pursuing this whole entertainment shit wrong. You got to rule with an iron fist. You've got to start slapping people and pointing your cane at motherfuckers. and being aggressive about the situation. Yes.

For y'all, too. So we, I just launched DAD for everybody who didn't know it. Trying to got my distribution company to go out. I really got, you know, I was one of the distribution company in the first place, but after me seeing, like, I felt like artists, really talented artists was signing the places kind of throwing this shit in the ocean, because it was nobody to guide them. I know distribution companies ain't supposed to be about it. They're supposed to be like, just upload your shit, and you figured out.

But at DAD, it's different because you do get, you know, a person to help you navigate, especially if you're somebody who knows illegal and you're an artist enough to know what you're talking about. And if you're an artist enough to have already built yourself up some, then you need somebody to point you in directions or some shit. And it's exciting because it's a different story now because I get to hear music from everywhere. You know, all over the world, people can load up, load up their music. What kind of says you like to listen to? Anything that's great, bro.

What's crazy is. You got to be great already? Yeah, it's some great shit that you don't, like, the people, the most great shit is discovered, like, you hear it and you be like, man, I remember when I heard the rest of development the first time, and it's like, speech played it for me before it came out. He listened to this stuff right here, man, tell me what you think. And I was just like, God damn, they got harmonicas and slave shit going on and African shit going on and college. And he was just like, and that nigga who used to just be in the back? Right. So it was like...

I gave my horseshoes. A game of horseshoes! You know what I'm excited about finding new music and like just seeing people like we had this kid in Birmingham to sign up And when you actually see their face when you pop up when the who pops up on the screen Talk to them in their manager for a while. So what you got going on? You got any more songs? Just that little bit right there kind of helps real artists. So it's really for real artists that's really been like Getting the door shut on them and shit like they know they're talented they super fire they play they sing they all this whatever going for them but nobody's really giving them any outlet.

What advice do you give talented people? If you're really talented, it's like a weird obsession. It's one of those things that it just dies. You die and it just aggravate you all the time to do it. And in that case, the light going to hit you at some point. If you're just doing what you're supposed to be doing always. That's how I happen to every one of us around here, period. it. Like, that's why I would see somebody pop up.

Oh, like, you don't remember me? I was in the group that came a long time ago. Like, the light will shine if they keep, if it, it's not a person, tell you the truth. It's not a person that came through my studio that didn't make it. Not because of me, but because maybe it was the opportunity for them to record in there or whatever it was, but

I don't care if it was 112 or Sierra or like, just everybody that since the time I made it, it's not a person in Atlanta that I haven't seen do it in a light that shine on them in some way. Like, even like a coach with coached at Hollywood and the stuff he was doing in MJQ's and all this like it's plenty of times coach could have stopped there when when something wouldn't happen

or whatever but like reason he's coached that he is now is because he didn't and he's doing what he's been doing that whole time back then all the way up to now so I feel like that's happened with everybody period that I seen put effort into what they're doing in the city's happening to y'all too the same way exactly because I was just about to say man our OG call you the OG you get what I'm saying like Lou he showed us a whole lot about the comedy games. It was that one we was doing running around over there

Yeah, Highland Place Monsters and when I was really the masquerade and all this stuff he was a part of all that back then with us, you know? And it was the Crowe, all these dudes that was just like the really fabric

that made Atlanta different to where it is now it gave us the right to be that way, you know what I'm saying? So that man, it's, we love where it's headed we love where it's going we'll keep expanding it

and keep growing it and I think keep giving opportunities you know what I'm saying so we got rowdy back up DAD, I'm just back for the opportunity and for the difference. Are you back in the game? You're about to flip the game again? Yeah, man, we got to.

So you're telling me, you're about to show up and take 700 new motherfuckers with you. Yeah, it's time, man, I got the Roddy Squad, me, Johnny Apollo, this time really go crazy. You have a nigga that juggle. Yep. We got some people who do plants and shit. I don't know if you needs to plant. This time, we're going full circle with it.

We got some niggas make gumbo real good. I had to go out of attack. I had to go attack. I felt like Edgewood was getting left out. I had to go. I got with Jaywise and went down to Edgewood. I said it before I started, I was like, man, soon as I'm gonna pop Rowdy back up.

I'm going straight to Edgewood. I'm going straight to where. Cause I hang out down there. I would go down there all the time and be a sound table in other places and taking out Kemet and just being in that element of Atlanta and I was like, I'm gonna bring this shit back up. And this is what I want to elevate right here.

This cultural element right here is where I want to start off. And so I met Jaywise. I was like, yo, we can get this thing plugged in and you already got the filter through the playlist academy he was doing. We did a pop-up on there and we saw like 60 damn acts on like two days. And so out of those 60 acts, I was like, all right, let's just start getting this rolling. And we started with Johnny because I knew that like, that the difference got to be cracked through around at some point. You got to just kind of hit it over the head.

So when I heard shut the fuck up, I was like, we got to go with Johnny Paolo and we got to go. And why had nobody heard of the fucking bonfire? And why had nobody heard of this other underground shit in Atlanta that's happening that you see black people doing like these incredibly creative, positive things. positive things you know what I'm saying the only thing that was getting shown is but here's luci and them fighting here's somebody shooting at thug here's somebody shooting at this here somebody shooting at that and that's like none of us really came up like and to that to that extent everything about Atlanta was really creative you know even if you was a thug even if you are young though he's still super creative you know but that's what it's about is being the difference here

so with rowdy I'm open for I'm open for the difference I'm open for all that shit that we are here and that we did and it's got to be the new culture of kids like that that need that outlet. So we're back, man. We're back to be crazy. Yep. Hey, that's crazy, bro. Like, so we take some questions from the fans, from the audience? Oh shit. I didn't even go to Monica. That's what was crazy the other day about these nights is um. You know we didn't even have on the couch. Well, it wasn't the, it was, yeah, for the awards. We did have Monica, she came through.

I heard. What you heard? What you heard? Oh, what you heard? I heard. Somebody stole on somebody. Oh, that, oh, I mean, oh, back in, I mean. Yeah.

But you know what's funny, though. If you watch the verses, if you watch the verses yourself, I have to say nothing else. Like, everybody saw what shade was being in and out of there. Like, you'll see people on there. Did she just throw shade? Oh, that's why she'd be, oh, that's why Monica would be at in like that. oh that's what it's just that's the it's just the difference in being from LA at the time from Atlanta at the time or period yeah this is period Monica one thing about

her was she's always been very like starting up words she's just tough as hell she was mad a lot of times like because she was just like mad at maybe her pops and what was going on the environment she was in and so she was mistaken for real she'd come in there and just be rolling the eyes all day long and like wearing a bunch of little damn chains from greenbrier flea market and a bunch of little sweat soup always in a sweat suit and when she started calling me dad real young when she first cause and her mom said look I hope this don't bother you because I'm just glad that she's looking at looking at somebody as a male figure different in the way she looked at what's been

going on in her life because that's where all this anger comes I'm going to the vocal booth and she just them rope roo roo ro ro ro roo little like oh ain't angry what because you wouldn't see it come out of it she'd be yeah dad I'm ready let's do another part but it would come out of her in other ways like she'd be fights to get violent with you know who she's if somebody She was snapped fast, you know, and she went through a whole lot of shit, like coming up, like, just always in Lila Valley, you know, always taking care of who she was with in the project and things like that. And by the time she, it's funny because we hear every time we would get Monica to one point, she'll do something else. Like, we shot the first, don't take a personal video down, check us down on Old National.

Next day, after we just shot, she got her hair down in here, she got on jerseys, all that. Next day I see her hair all the way off. And I'm like, we just shot a video. They're not going to think you the same person. Let's shoot another one. So we shot the one in black and white. Then by the time we got to the next day, you know, she only got a tattoo. So she was 14 with a big-ass tattoo on the arm.

And I'm like, and this is not during the time where that was supposed to be acceptable. Like, they were like, you got, you know, so we put the band on the arm. So everybody's like, oh, Monica got a band on the arm. That's cute. No, no, she's hiding a tattoo. She shows up. She shows up one day to studio and she got to see murder in the car. I'm like, okay, murder is ready to kill.

He's mad that day and going to do something. Oh man, we got to go tax somebody. I'm like, okay, honey. Think he's mad to bow wow somebody. So I said, honey, he's like, you got to get better. Whoa, what the, what the wrong? It's going so bad, bruh. First of all, she called you dad.

Your shit is dad. You know what's funny? They've been called me dad in Atlanta for a long time, like even big boy in them. I guess because, you know, it's one of those things where he's like, dad. you know and plus i used to sit and talk to everybody about shit like if you got any contracts you can go on through if you got any names come talk to me man let me tell you what i went through first like let me help you not make the mistake i made because if i made it if you don't do it then i feel better about the fucked up shit i did or the wrong decision i made you know what i'm saying

now me and new face got to figure out what the fuck by wow did that make see murder something Come on. We got to start a whole hip-hop investigation. You know what it was? I think that it was either he said, they said something about Little Romeo or maybe it was a rap with Little Roma. You know, it was something like little shit like that, but it was, he was mad. We had no idea. No idea.

Let's see Murder Woodrow. Oh, see what happened. Little Bow Wow don't even know. He can't be walking around in life. And then Clyde Davis was like, Dallas, you can't be having to date somebody named murder. Because he looked at Monica, like his Whitney, he looked at, especially even coming up singing for you, I will, and all the pop songs, we started to go there. And then we got to the second album with Street Symphony and the boy's mind and stuff, and he's like, Dallas, no, no, no, no, you have to talk to it. She can't be dating somebody named Murder.

It's not good for her image. I'm like, well, he just wrapped on the Street Symphony, so you're going to tell her that shit ain't going to, because she ain't going to like that. I have to talk to her about this. Why are you talking to her about that? She's got two diamonds putting her teeth right here, too. Monica would just come back different every time. Oh, she was full-off. She had one time, one time she had a Lincoln Continental bro around with a ragtop and

was sitting on like 35s or something. And I would notice she pulled up to the studio because the trunk would be rally. Like... The legend grows, bro. Like, we thought Monica was who we thought she was, but she... No, we knew. We knew. She even mowed than what we did.

I'm linking on some 35... Oh, that shit's like... Like, yeah, she's, that's why she, but, you know, I'm proud of what she's turned. She's turned into exactly what, her songs were so grown for her, like, when she was singing Why I Love You So much, or like, you know, Angel of Mine or these songs, like, she sings them now, and now they really make sense because she's grown enough to be singing them. So when you go to one of her shows, everybody singing these songs, like, oh, angel of mine, you know, but she was singing these at 13 and 14 years old, so it's great that she could grow into

her songs. He's sung the same, she sounds the same, more control, but when you hear the songs now, coming from her from a grown-up standpoint, it's like a trip to me. Yeah, it's like- Yeah, her song was able to care. She didn't rely on, like, you know. And Mo just get fly every day. Like, you look at her Instagram, Mo be going in. She'd be, like, fly it out. Somebody, she just doesn't hit a curve of like, okay, maybe I ain't married no more, so I'm flying it way out. And she's doing it. She's doing her thing. I'm proud of. Yeah, yeah. We love it here in 85, so I'm sure. Yeah, yeah.

We always have, and we always have it. Man, that shit is crazy. You didn't really sit here and fuck me up today, Dallas. Can we just, we got a Michael Jackson, friends, James Brown, Madonna, Madonna's ghost, should night, puffed daddy. Mike Puff Daddy. Monkey. Bubble!

He has a name. George. Great feeling game. Oh, man. Quincy Jones. Quincy Jones. He's, Quincy. He, I'll tell you when I was going to get drumline made.

It was taking me a long time, right? It took me 10 years to make drumline, by the way. I stuck with that shit for 10 years. Just trying to get it right. Trying to get it, if you don't make a movie in Hollywood, they can all of a sudden say, hold on, we ain't going to make it, but we don't want nobody else to make it either, so we're going to keep it to turn around. So you can't get it back to go make it nowhere else, and then you can't make it with them. So that happened to the drumline.

So I go to Quincy, and I said, man, you know, I got this marching band movie that's stuck. How do I get this unstuck, man? Like, what did you do? He showed me, he put in a video, right, of Oprah, Danny Glover. They looked like they came out to West End Mall. They had on like, like, Oprah had on like peach sweatpants with like lime green, flip flaps and like hair all over the place. Danny Glover, I mean, they look just like they're hanging out of the Western Mall. And then they're in this theater.

And he's recording him and they're doing the color purple. They're acting out like test runs for the color purple, right? He goes to me and he says, who you think holding that camera? I said, you? He said, nope. Steven Spielberg. I said, holding the camcorder? He said, yeah.

He said, you got to get somebody Jewish you want to get that movie made. So I said, really? He said, yeah. He said, you got to have somebody Jewish and decide to really get it made like you want to get it made. So at that time, I was signed to EMI Sony and Jody Gerson, who signed me, right? So I called her. I said, why don't you say I need to find somebody Jewish to make this movie? She said, well, I'm Jewish.

She said, can I co-produce it with you if you do it? I said, yeah, she said, good, because I got my friend Wendy Feyneman. She just came off of Forest Gump and Castaway. Oh. So I go back in the Fox and I say, hey, I got Wendy Feynman, I'm going to make drumline and she's like, they're like, yeah, right. You got her? She said, if you got her, you can do whatever you want. So she called, she looked to me, the lady said, I have no idea what this movie's about.

I have no idea what a Marchaband is, but I think you do. So I'm just going to fort you off so you can go make the movie. I'm probably going to make a lot of money. You probably won't, but that's how it's going to go for your first film, but you'll get it made. So I'm all right, okay. So I came back to Atlanta with the, and everybody thought, I think when I was making drumline, everybody thought I was, I don't know what they thought I was doing because you know I got the hookup was out and some kind of beat like I think snow and the bluff you know was out so I think the people thought I was making like

yeah I don't think nobody was expecting I was about to say nigga you got enough money not to do that shit I would be mad with you I couldn't get people in the movie I wanted I'd be like yo man the Luda man can you do this rapar for me oh no man we might be like you know and um so then the movie went from 13 million to 18 million because they didn't realize how I had record the marching bands, write songs for the marching bands, record them in the warehouse and then have them for playback. So it became a lot of, uh, a lot of, it came more money. And so they called me from Fox and say, yo, this movie's going from 13 to 18, put white people in it. So I said, okay, well, how many white people? Because if I don't get this right,

white people ain't going to like it. You know what I'm saying? This is a marching band movie. So we don't care. Put white people in the movie. The budget's going over. So I'm say, I got to figure this out. I go to the A.U. Center and then having a step show, right? So, five-eater-sigma comes out, and they got this dude, I think, I thought he had on a mask, because I thought he was doing the M&M. You know, everybody got their gig and whatever, so they got all the purple suits on, and they got this white kid, blind hair. But while I'm sitting at, I swear, it's a mask, I think he's going to take it off. So I'm like, oh, shit, this is a white kid in Phi Beta Sigma? I'm like, hold on.

So then I started looking around the AU to see if it was some character like that in the AU Center, and it was this kid that lived down the street from the AU Center. He always wanted to be a drum major. And he had red hair and freckles too. And he would play the hell like the symbols of Morris Brown. So then I'm like, okay, we can figure this out. They said, no, we want white bands. So I actually put Georgia Tech, Georgia State, whoever had white bands, I put them all in drumline.

But it was fucking atrocious because imagine that. Imagine seeing them stand there going, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-dun. Imagine fucking like the tune or anybody else. Jackson State. So you're like, you can't do this to the schools. You know what I'm saying? And FAMU, by the way, was like this.

FAMU was like, we ain't getting in there because we can't lose. Yeah, that's what happened to the story. They said they refused to lose. They refused to lose. He was like, we're not getting that to lose. So what I did was made a fake school, right? I make Atlanta A&T, it don't exist.

It's a fake school so that nobody had to lose to another school. Right, right? I wasn't gonna be over camera saying FAM beat, Southern or Bethune or whatever, right? So make a fake one. He was still like, we're not losing them, either. We're losing this whole fictitious school.

We got a shit in this. So school, you made up? They record is zero. It's zero. Not us, baby. That's fucked up because I wanted to see us in there, but it's cool. It worked out. And then stop with the cab is most of the band in Atlanta, 18, mostly at high school band.

So we just called ourselves making up everything. Then people start coming to Atlanta looking for the school. They want to go there. Like, that's in North Carolina, bro. You started getting applications. Hey, they said you could get me into the advanced program. Hey, bro, what you're giving it, bro? Him and old girls still, boy?

It's good. Damn, man. That's crazy as hell. Oh, man. But doing that, I wish I had a guy like 2% of every movie that come here because I had to go to pass the film bill, right? So I went before the state of Georgia and tried to pitch, hey, I need to. y'all to like make a film bill for us so I could film ATL here they want to send me to

New Orleans to shoot ATL and I'm like how much shoot a skating rink movie with all my friends in it that I skated with in New Orleans it's cheaper to shoot it out there so get ready to shoot out there so then I went to uh you know I went to start lobbying down here going to Sunny Purdue and then we're going yo man we got a film bill I want to shoot ATL in Atlanta and so I was just kind of talking shit I was like yeah tell the governor if you want because they said well Sonny Perdue want to talk to you about this so he Yeah, right. Tell him going to talk to me, come to my house, right? So I was just talking shit, obviously, right?

Because he's a Republican, and I'm Democrat. It was so far away from that happening. I thought they would never happen in my life. I was sudden having a thing at my house, like this little Maybach event or something they were doing. And then my sister. This little Maybach. I think it was introducing the car or something. They introduced in the car.

They brought it to your house to introduce it. They shit wasn't good enough to introduce it. They said we cannot show the people when we made this motherfucker. We have not cleaned up. But what are you at in life when the Maybag is the little car shit they're doing in my house? Where the fuck? Man, this little car shit. Not a Mercedes event, not the 350.

This little Mayback shit they're doing in the back. This is I figured out who was in Atlanta too. Because this is like I just got my house. It took me like six years to build my house, whatever, right? I just finished. My shit was built on my mother. Ain't that crazy? I already built.

Motherfucking had the nerve to be living in that bitch. The nerve of these things is, can you believe that? I bought a used house. I wish to fuck somebody who would host anything in my y'all. This little Mayback shit. Niggins stole the fruit out of my y'all. He worried about this little Mayback shit. I don't know.

The peaches, you got fruit teeth. That's a different part of it. They send Sunday Perdue to my house. And my sister said, yo, the governor's coming. I'm like, he's coming here. I was just talking shit. What am I'm going to do when he get here? I don't know, but he's on the way.

So my thing was, I will put the kids in white polos. Give me my white polo shirt. And we're going to do this thing, right? So he comes in. There's people. There's a party going on in there. So he's like, Dallas, I don't know what to do. You know, can you go speak at the G8 summit

and help us get this. I'm just not familiar with what this takes, you know? So I'm like, fuck yeah, I'll go to the G8 Summit. I got this, I got it, we're gonna do this here, yeah. Now, keep in mind now, and I'm lobbying for this, so I got lobbyists, you know, going to pass this bill and all this shit. So I'm thinking, here it is the night before the G8 Summit.

Now the G8 Summit is in Sea Island, Savannah, right? I'm up. Now we know where the shit is. We're gonna go lobby, bitch. Smoking, right? I'm working the night before. I'm making beats. My man keep going like, you know, you gotta do this shit tomorrow.

Yeah, nigga, we're going out to the fucking summit. I got this shit. I'm thinking it's the fucking G4. You know that Channel G4, they got the games and shit? I'm thinking I'm going to the G4 or something, right? So I'm on the plane, I'm on the way to the plane like this. This thing is like, you're crazy. What are you doing?

I'm like, man, I'm going to be ready. I get on the plane, I'm drinking Bloody Mary. Yeah, right? Now, Savannah ain't that far, right? So we started to fly out in Savannah. I start looking down and I see tanks, like military tanks everywhere. I'm like, what's going on? He's like, you're going to speak at the G8 Summit?

I'm like, yeah, but why they got tanks? He's like, where do you think you're going? I said, you know, the video games, like, where all the games and shit, they're showing you new shit. Showing, talking about entertainment, showing you new stuff. He's like, no, my man, you're going to speak with George Bush and Tony Blair, all the world leaders are there. All the world leaders are there, and I'm landing, shh.

I'm seeing hummers and tanks, I'm like, shit. So I got a speech this lady wrote for me. I ain't even look at this yet, because I thought I was going to this place, I was just going to wing it, you know. Yeah, I like games, niggins. You take the PlayStation. That shit is the father, man. I got the new Xbox Expeditions.

Who are you on my? Man, I get up there. I'm nervous as a hell. I walk up in the room. All you can see is suits and flags from the United Nations and all these different countries and shit. And you smell like weed. Oh, man, I smell like something, either bloody marries or something,

because I've been drinking the whole time when that goddamn plane. And I had to leave there. I went into a bathroom and washed my face off and shit because I didn't know where I was going. going try to get my little shit together and then I get there and I haven't looked at this speech and I opened the speech up at the podium and it's every big word you ain't never seen in your life right I'm like oh shit and I'm just looking I'm just like it says on behalf of the congressional state of Georgia is how I start off and then

everything else I'm just like too big I'm just looking around the room sitting there and like all suits. So I just like, I just bought this shit up. I was like, man, okay, check this out. I'm from college park, right, and I'm trying to make this movie here, right? And it's from Atlanta by Atlanta. We should be making here. Why are you trying to send me in New Orleans? Like, this place could be the Swiss Alps. It could be any place. Georgia could be anywhere. It could be this, that and the other. Just so much money you're missing. So much stuff here. We've got to keep our economy here. These kids are going to school in Georgia State and all these art schools. And they can't go out here to work no way. They've got to go to Hollywood.

You're missing the whole industry. By the time I finished, where they had a standing ovation and everybody behind me was going and like Dallas said and we appreciate that like Dallas said what? Yeah that one right there hell you know I still have grumped with a stunt whatever you said

opened up the flood gate because it came through okay now they shoot most shit here in Atlanta they shoot in Hollywood yep so yeah they opened the flood gate bro so I'm trying to get a big statue like running like a statue liberty statue size

what's you want you want to be even if they had you doing some shit on the statue that you didn't even do. It could be outside of Phillips Arena and you dunking on the monster. It don't fucking matter. Oh, I got one. Go ahead. We're going to have to redo Storm Mountain. You got to put him up

there. Oh, yeah. We'll be it for Outkats to go up there. They're going to never let us go up there. The crazy part about Storm Mountain. Maybe if it's you OutKead and then it's like a little Mount Rushmo because it ain't everything that came back to the one.

They used to burn. I used to see in our textbooks They still have pictures of Storm Mountain with crosses burning on top of them. So I was always scared to go to Stone Mountain. Yeah. I've probably been there one time. They didn't do that shit back in the day either. They built the shit when it was clearly racist. Oh yeah.

That shit was finished in the 70s and shit. They had to lie about what the fuck they was building. Who that is? Oh, that's all that's how- John Wayne. We got to figure out Buckhead. Like somebody, you gotta figure, somebody, you gotta, I don't understand. Like, can't be niggas from Atlanta because nobody's getting shot in the South of the Cab or in the regular Greenbrier.

It's all at Lennox, so I feel like it's just getting crazy out here. And at some point, I don't know, the police, the mayor, somebody had to do something about it. It's really getting out of control. And I feel like Atlanta, for the dudes that said, like, certain things we just, like, Two Chains was saying, we don't really stab people in the club, you know what I'm saying? We don't do, it's just weird that it's taking this toll. And they gotta really flip this shit up down here and get, get us safer.

Don't go to the far row, by the way. If you can't go to far row, if you don't watch, what is the ATL school, When you be sitting there watching, that shit I'd be scared to go everywhere, so don't look at that, because I don't find myself, oh, this nigga got shot at the corner of this, they don't bust out everybody windows. Like, even coming down here, I got my gun in the car. I don't know how you say that. Because, man, I'm just like, I ain't know what I'm going. He said the West End Mall. He didn't even tell me I was coming to the creator's spot.

He said, oh yeah, by the West End. I'm like, by the West End. You haven't been looking at ATL's. I got my slingshot on me too. Got my slingshot on me too. Don't fuck around. No, man. We don't let nothing happen to you, man.

It's too much good shit that you do out here in the world, bro. Look at all the shit that you've said tonight. I'm protected by the Lord, man. And Michael Jackson, man. And Michael Jackson. Shut up. He could go from... Shut up.

All right. You gotta get the Lord's credit. Give his Lord's credit to give the Mike Jackson more separate. Another big thing, one more big announcement to make that I think everybody should be proud of from Atlanta is that we are getting out on walk of fame, like the Star Walk in Hollywood, so you will, like, and they're going to put it, I thought they'll try to make us stick it on Martin Luther King, which has been fine, too, but we was like, no, no, no, we got to be over there at the stadium, you know, we need to be right where everybody walking out the soccer games, and, you know, they're coming out in Phillips Arena. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. got I think well it's they're expensive so you do start with the first 10 and then you how much the spires go for about 30 40,000 3040 I mean I could do some funraisers let me get on your let's get on yours together let's do what together have you

have me long ways the same way you get both of them in that we'll be definitely The one toward the end. We'll be the last one. We'll be down in the middle by with the Uptown. You're laying still. All right. We'll be way down there. You know you're at the end when you see Carlos and Clayton.

You're almost out of the time. To easy, Carlos and Clayton make it right. You're going to take that home straight to the inner scene. That's what's cool about it though. It's the entertainment walk. So it will include, y'all. It will include actors. It will include sports who won't just be music.

You got to be at the front. You got a statue. Yeah. I got to ask one more thing. What was the wildest night? night in Atlanta. In Atlanta, Indiana? The Dallas Austin's wildest night in Atlanta.

Oh, boy. Damn. Really? Hey, I was a popcorn. So it's me, Whitney Houston, Jackie Chair, and Steven Seagore. We're on Old National. Why you keep taking there in front of the old...

Dallas. They're frozen balance. Well, you know, we had that, we had that wave that kicked by the Y2K where everybody's on ecstasy. The Y2Ks came in and met some Beechis and that's when it first hit Atlanta like the real fun epidemics. So everybody was out and like happy as hell and going to MJQ's and shit and like so me and Sleepy Brown and Joy and Gymp and what was the Rizanda.

Like all of us just all hanging in our own little pack and a little squad. And so we had, I think it was like Christmas or something like that but all of us have been like They need the MJQs and we just thought it was a good idea like, you know what? We got to go Christmas shopping tomorrow, you know what I'm saying? Won't we just still go to the mall? You know, so. That makes sense, right? I've been there, especially if you took a Miss Abishi or pink dogs.

It makes sense, right? We haven't to go into the malls though, but all of us then decided we should all about matching sweatsuits. Right? Me, running. Me, sleepy. All of us start in the cap of sweatsuits with the chicks on the sleeve. So now all of us are switched into those in the mall. We're in a whole other world because we just said, I don't join.

But by the time we all look around and stuff, I think it's sleeping on the, on the counters and the red riches, like sleeping in between sitting here and there and all that. But karma, the nightclub used to be our wildest days because we used to be, we used to go underground and you didn't go, we didn't go out until two in the morning. Like nobody went out at 9, 10, 11 o'clock. That wasn't a lot of thing to do. You went out like 1, 2 o'clock. You just stay out, come out, come back home, the daylight's out.

You know what I'm saying? And then karma, that was just like a whole other. like I don't know if it might have been the box it might have been this I don't know how sinister it was it was it was fun but it was dark because it was downstairs and I think across from where they had the uh the federal the federal building that so he's they have slaves across the street basically so you got this real eerie feeling going on with everybody in the whole place be on the rolling their fucking face off and that was the to me that was the to me though that was the funnest time until the until the ecstasy started going in the after hours

Oh, yeah, the after hours, yeah. So when it actually started turning the after hours, like, because that wasn't really for that. It was more like, hey, going to hang out with the white kids, we're going to hang out, get mixed, and go to the MJQs, and go to the after hours. But when it started really moving to the after hours and the black kids started taking the after hours, it started getting dangerous. Right. Start getting crazy. But I would say that that was nights, period, because it wouldn't be one night. I would say it would be an era.

And that era was, like, to me, the fun is era. Because it was, I think it was new. It wasn't, it didn't feel dangerous. It felt like fun. and you listen to music and you would go around and it was just something new to everybody and you could tell when a new person had tried it.

They were gonna walk in the club and they were oh shit, this is where everybody at. Oh yeah, god damn. Why ain't nobody called me? Everybody let me know we in here and fucking that's it, you know. All this goddamn dancing, ain't nobody said a goddamn thing.

Hey, because we saw the white people doing it. We didn't know they were with the glow sticks and the little baby bottles. You'd be like, we're not letting niggas know this shit's going on out here. Everybody's feeling good, you know what you know what I'm saying you know that day you go wonder oh this way y'all motherfuckers be at y'all you know what I'm saying? But yeah it was an era man I feel like that it's I don't know

really now like when I look at when I look at that and I look at people even in the scenes and being out like it's a whole different city you know it's a lot it's gone a lot more metropolitan you got your belt line and then you got like it's a lot more culturally significant than we before you know we're the most culturally significant place on the down planet right now yeah because we got a lot of spots well just in everything like in music and culture and that and everybody if you look at Atlanta there's a lot of people from everywhere else but like the culture that really resides from being from here like the same shit that makes a change of tritons and the same shit to make soldier boy put uh white out on his glasses right you know so it's always something new

and it's always some other trend and cultural and I always say the kids here you don't understand that they had been that long that you guys couldn't go to the same bathroom like they would have put the dollars on you and sprayed you down right here on edge with 60 years ago that ain't no long time ago for what we've accomplished during this time of being here we've become just way more like when you see dudes like i wonder what my luther came in them thinking about like the megos like when they see dudes with so much jewelry and cars and car i had a song that went just like bad and bullshit you know what i'm running back i want to hear quavo this was all about economy they didn't want you to get rich he would like that shit and but you look at a little bit you know look at a little baby look at these dudes you say

they need to me go like it's so much loot they got money stacked down their ears they got cars and shit for days and this was about the economy they wouldn't let you have green that's what this was about it wasn't about black and white right it was about we don't want you niggas to make no money so the clans people was always the store owners the drug store man the mailways all these people saying yo these fucking they're gonna take over our shit so as business owners they didn't want you to have the green and when we kind of kicked through like I remember when we first started making money like me and JD around Atlanta the accountess was weird everybody was weird like what y'all doing like how you

get money like that because it was no legal way that they knew to make money without going to school accounting lawyer in or whatever so we're doing music and they don't understand if a check comes in it's like 500,000 dollars of a kid back then they're like what are y'all doing right how does this set up they didn't want to give you loans for shit because you're still like y'all black you know what I'm saying you can't get no loan for no house like I got money in the bank well how did you get money in the bank well how how do you get money in the bank how does royalties work what is that how does that so we educated the city you had to teach these niggins how to count yeah you to account i would be so

niggins you don't get to count you got me in here counting my shit man that is some frank lucas ass shit you said you had to teach the account yeah because nobody knew about royalties and then you young black kids got checks coming in with money and like roared you know five hundred thousand months so like sometimes buy out money and then six months so like sometimes buy out money and then six months go by they don't see nobody come in and then it's another period with royalty's coming again so they just didn't understand how that worked and when they figured it out they was like we gotta get we got a gold mine going here because it was it's recurrent you know it's a reoccurring you know the artist that's out

now and the artist that's going to be out three years from now still out here right now coming up you know so it's always going to be the cycle around Atlanta that just keeps doing that man this man all political philosophical, geographical. You understand what I'm saying? Historical. Man, I don't know, I'm missing something. Spiritual.

Thank you. I'm still missing some more. But, bro. This dude got a hit something. You reason every letter in the alphabet, literally. Yeah, that took me out. I didn't know, I didn't really know, I was just doing an, um.

I had to do something one day, and it's like, go to your Wikipedia and look at the songs and listen them out for us. And I'm like, damn, you gotta click in the A. But we were doing album projects too, so it was like, I was doing so many songs, man. So yeah, you got to click on the A and go to the A songs and B, go to B songs and C, go to C songs.

And I forgot. I did so many records, bro, for real, because when you're doing them every day like that for so many years, like even with D. Nice was playing another night, that's why I was tripping. I was in the tears because I'm like, oh shit!

Where did he get this from? You forgot your shit? all the time, bro. I'll be listening sometime on the radio and I'm like, did I do this song? And then I'm like, I did do this song. Oh, look, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Big foot ad.

Oh, yeah, he's a snake. Yeah, man, but I'll listen. A song's come on the radio now, and I'll have to say, did I do that? Or Shazam it or something, deeper it. You have to hit Shazam and be like, oh yeah, that it is. But I got deeper, if I got deeper, you got deeper because it's better than Shazam,

because you get to go and see who. really did shit. So like I was yeah like plenty of times I'm sitting there and I do this song or did I not do this song. Oh yeah that's Macy Gray I did do that song. Man you did so many songs you don't even know the songs that you did. You ever heard the shit and been like man this ain't me. Yeah. And then you looked then he was like damn this was me. I did a whole I did a whole Macy Gray album that I didn't know was me until I was like because some of them sound the same you know like when you work with artists and like I I know I worked with Mason Gray, but was it.

And then I was just like, oh, yeah. Those are my symbols, they got told you. I know my goddamn symbols. Yeah, man. So yeah, that's a, I've been blessed, so I'm, you know. Now it's about me helping out everybody else to get to that point, man. You know how to came when you just got your own.

You're supposed to have your own stuff as a man. You're supposed to be like, all right, that's my house, that's my this, that's my dad, take care of my mom's, that. But like, when you do that for other people and you got a whole bunch of people with that going on, then that's when you like, That's when you did something.

Like, when you're responsible for everybody else's houses and everybody else's cars, nobody else's kids going to school. Hell yeah, that's what I said, man. You brought at least 300 motherfuckers with at least. Oh, yeah. So about this little Mayback shit they'd be doing in your yard, man.

When they're doing another one of them? Yeah. When do they come out? Because they don't send me no email or nothing. They just use it for like the show, you know. It's cool, after this, I just hope by the summertime, maybe everybody got things back under control. I think it'll be next summer, but at least we're on the right track to, like, going.

I don't think I don't know what happened in Atlanta, though. I don't get it, because I don't think Atlanta would shut down. You look at compounds, a thousand niggins on top of each other. It's like, so I don't know if it's herd immunity. I don't go around them type. They're different type of them all. It just ain't enough that shit to go around. I heard I ain't got it.

I heard ain't going to either. That's the herd. What you heard. You better listen to yourself. I heard that shit's still out here. You know, I get my man. I try to say separated. You want to be vaccine?

You want to be vaccine? What are you think about the vaccine? I've been taking it this whole time. That's what this is, just some of that good old vaccine. Mm-hmm. Oh, I don't know. I don't know about that shit just yet. I don't want to say yes or no.

I want to stay safe. Wait, stay in the crib. I need to know what's in. What's the ingredients? For real. I'm allergic to a bunch of shit, man. I heard patrol killers. shit off though so I'll be drinking that every day patrol get it up off yeah I can see

the light in devil the corona can't hang with the liquor the weed like a rockstar lifestyle yeah it's tough that shit gonna be done that shit gonna leave on the next yeah we can hope they're doing too much you chop oh yeah this chappo weed is your weed this this is my weed oh shit yeah chap this shit smoking like tree exactly I mean smoking swishes I smoke a joint I get high as hell I guess I get sitting at the green light high well I just be sure yeah this one of that what shit man what more can you say man Dallas Austin in the trap 85 trap show

Anything coming up in a promo or any more of this great shit you got going on. Rowdy records in the building. Johnny Apollo, Y Chapo, Dusmino. We got a whole squad. Trip the Hit Major. Oh yeah. You see this? Oh, yeah.

That's popular demand. That's our new record is out right now. Go check the record, download Chap record. And if you're around town, you know, you might want to get with these trades. It's just nice, nice trades coming in that bag. That's all. Some nice trades, you know. Nice music.

We got the whole set up. We got the whole set of Routy game on there. But yeah, we're dropping records. Everybody check out. Go to Spotify, look at the Routy Records playlist. We've been dropping records all year. We're gonna drop a lot more this year. It's just, you know, we're trying to get moving, man.

In the time when it's a pandemic, it's a little harder, but... Yeah, we need a VX and a Z so you can have a song for every letter now. A VX and a Z. A VX and a Z. I got work to do. I'm going through the crib. Yeah. missing three of those yeah i gotta go back now i got something i got to go like focus on this bro

bosella raffa yeah it's me pink c l from chel smooth exactly what we got we got we got what they that set up with mike what's this oh okay hey dallas any dollars any Any time you want to come through here and kick it and bless the game. This is only one 99th of all the shit he has done. Anytime you need to come through and put us back up, man. I know you got more stories too.

Man, I got tons of more stories. And you probably left out some parts too. That's what I was thinking when I was listening to Dee Knight's other day. Charlotte called me, she said, damn, they didn't even play this. He didn't even play that. He didn't play this, they didn't play that. He didn't play this, because it was just a trip to see how many records he played that was like,

you know, either album records or records I did on somebody that he just dug in the crates for it. So now I gotta go add some more songs to the alphabet. You know, I can't be slacking over here, like three away. I'm like Tiger Woods. Y'all watched the Tiger Woods documentary, the end of it?

That made you really feel like. I would have never came out and said nothing about my horse. I would have never came out and said none of that, but the victory story in that I think he's gonna get to the 19. I think he gonna get to that Jack Nicholus now that. This motherfucker broke his foot and kept playing. He broke his back three times.

He didn't have back surgery three times. He didn't have been like, he went through the craziness, all that, and now he'd have bounced back out again and won in 2019, so. Dog, he did some shit where he hit the club with a lesser club, and he hit it further than the other dude did. Like, he just started on him. Yeah, me ain't watched this shit, watch that shit.

It's a big, because he didn't go through a lot of shit. Yeah, and he ain't say shit. That's the gangster shit about it. Yeah. It's so much. He took way more shit than the average nigga who would have took. Yeah, he took him a lot. He would have been a snap by now. Get out of the goddamn camera on my fucking face. He ain't did none of

that shit. Dallas would have slapped all them niggins like James Brown told him. That shit would just come out when the shit went wrong. Tap, tap, tap. With a silk shirt on. One button, button, just that little bottom button. Dallas till it.

You think. Bring some glitter on them. It's just how we live. I got my outfits at the crib, too, if you want to try that on one day. I got the, like, the sex machine outfit, like the hole in it right here, the hole in the way. What? James Brown? Yeah, I got a lot of, this clothes and shit.

Dude, stop telling people shit like this, nigga. Your house is a national treasure. Wait a minute. Don't tell nobody where you live. It's gonna be some grumpy bitch trying to wear the shit out. I brought it. I brought this shit when I came in here. My brother, do you understand if I had some shit like that?

It don't just sit in the clock. I'm gonna wait till I got company. I'm coming downstairs. Man, what the fuck you got on? Nika, this is the original shit. Living in America. Who won't breakfast? Man, it's 2 in the afternoon.

I have you. I don't know. This nigga came downstairs. I bullshit you night with a James Brown jumpsuit and some rest of boot. Oh shit. That shit, Craig. You got, boy, man. Newface, he got you, bro, probably.

He probably got you down. Newface, what's you bring, man? Look, you know Newface, of course. Newface got all of this. He got all the shit. He's another one. Oh, yep. He probably got your demo tape.

That's Rowdy records. You recognize that. Damn. another one of your artists. Damn. You got Ms. Thang, autographed by yourself, a monitor as well, already, brought your records, and over $5 million sold.

Damn, dude. He did. He sure did. But then we got to the first album. Damn, shit. You know, I'm just, like he said. Looking at cassettes, like you ain't seen a cassette. I know, man.

Damn. I told you, watch how a new face shit be having a little shit in the old ecstasy will fall out that bitch. Miss Abishi will fall off in your lap. Newface, what is that, man? Don't look. Hey, hey, give it back.

Close it out. Damn, this shit's crazy. This is a trip. I heard that, tomorrow, he's taking a car. Oh, these little niggas was the baddest niggas ever in life. ever in life. I quit the music business out of that for a while. That shit was crazy. They made you quit the music business? These little niggas, one, they were like 12, 11, 13, and like, they left out trick me.

She told me, she's like, yo, I got the baddest little rap group you ever seen. When she bought them niggas around, I was like Little Red Man and Little Trettech, right? And they were like finishing each other sentences, and they were like, you know, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, damn, these little dudes are cool. So left, I was like, I got to go on tour. I'll be back. I mean, she brought them to me and literally left the next day, right? I did not know these little niggas were like, real tyrants like that, bro. First thing they do it is start stealing the

engineer's car. They would put pillows on the pillow, because it was too little, so they put a pillow in the seat. Steele the engineer's car, right? Then, the first time they brought it back, they told the police that their mom was drunk or some shit, and they took the car to go help out. Anyway, they got

the police to bring them, escort them back to dark. Well, then they made it back to the studio, but on the studio, you have to go down the side, like this, the park in the back, they scraped this car up the whole fucking way down the back, right? All right, so then, one day I get a call. Do you have a son named Lamarce Edwards?

No. Like, well, this is the Clayton County Police. We got your son down here. I was like, I don't have a son. Like, what about Malik? Tell him it's Malik. I hear him in the background. What did he do?

Well, we found him in a stolen Cherokee, and he crashed into a house on Riverdale Road. Through somebody's living room, he had a pistol in the car and we. I'm like, okay, so they were constantly doing shit like this, and then check this shit out. I sent them on a promo tour, right? The kids were great. They were like, you know, everybody was like loving them because they were just bad as hell.

They cussed like a motherfucker. They write their own raps. They're like just the ultimate little two kids, right? I take them, they're supposed to go on a promo tour, and we start this $500,000 promo tour, half a million dollar promo tour. They go to L.A. the first stop and never left they got to the first stop and got with got with Snoop and Dre and Shug right the ghost like god damn it they got with Shug and then Snoop and Dre and of course Dre and Snoop was hot as

hell so it's like they wanted to be up on the Dre and Snoop and then so they stayed there and they stayed there and the BMG was like they're supposed to be in Seattle tomorrow they're telling the people we can hit you in the head with a hammer you try to make us leave y'all and so the lady's like they threaten me in the head with the hammer i can't be out on this tour no more than them so i'm like shit well now they really stand out there now it's been like two three weeks now clive davis like dallas you got to go get them i got to go get them from death road i'm not going to get them he's like dallas they're stars you have to go get them so i'm like all right so yeah i'm going to death row and i get off the

elevator right and plus I got the elevator there it's just death row big niggas everywhere ain't no furniture nowhere ain't no furniture in there big niggins big niggins sitting on big niggins ain't no furniture they like I'm like whatever they do in here they're fucking around just like there's a foldout table fold out chair and the red death row big rug and so I'm like you know so I go in there we'll talk to Shug's like man we should do these gifts together man you know I'm saying. All right this ain't loyal.

You know how that it is, Dallas. They got out here, they got around Dre and Snoop and now they want to be on death row. So what we just do death row row row row. I was like, won't you just keep them little motherfuckers? Like, just give me a check for what I spent on them and you just have them because this the same will get it. You know, we'll work something out. You know, that's what you know they're good hands.

You know, like, I'm like, yeah, you know, I just got to get out of here safe. And so then I see the kids, they come in and they all like, oh man, it ain't me, it's him, it's him. D-S-HM, it ain't me, D-S-HM, man. So I'm like, all right, I'm going back to Atlanta. I catch you all later on, right? By the time I get back to Atlanta, right, Malik show up a few days later. And he's like, yo man, you know,

I can't be fucking with this nigga out there. Like, fuck that, man, I want to be solo. I'm like, you want to be solo. Like, they started the solo shit on early. I'm like, you get, just finish the group first, whatever. But he had got convinced that somebody put something on him, like roots or something, Malik. He's like 13.

Like, man, I think, my grandma, somebody put some roots on me, man. I just want to be back in Atlanta. I think he just wasn't getting his way out, like, going in L.A. He saw a chance for him to come back out here. And by the time they got here, bro, like, they had everything so set for the kids, but they were so wild and so bad with the shit at the whole time that we couldn't, you know, they would have been huge at this point because they were writing their rhymes at like 12 years old and just cutting niggas legs off with the rhymes.

Like, you don't want to, big niggas didn't want to battle wrap them because they little and they'll outwrap you. And, but they got stuck out. This was a crazy part. So if they did the work they're supposed to do, this all makes sense. But they missed the whole promo tour, right? So now the Billboard Awards come up for that year. Right.

So now, these are the categories. This is who's up for it. Rap record of the year. Digible planet's cool like that. Yeah. You'll pop parade, nodded by nature. You know, it's going, yeah, song after song. Illegal, we gets busy.

Everybody's like, who's that? Yeah. And the winner is, illegal, we gets busy, right? You see everybody like, who is that? Because, you know, in the way Clive had playing out the politics, I mean, Whitney Houston, they got like 13 Billboard Awards that year. So it was an arrester thing, you know? It was like, they didn't fill a glass up.

So it just looked, it didn't, it pan. Nobody saw. You know, nobody see them for it. But there's the most talented little kids, man, that, like, like they were bad as fuck but after that I needed a I took a rap break I had to take a little rap break because they were just like it sounds like they're young so you can't do nothing with them in there because they're too young so what they were it's like 13 14 yeah if shug would have killed them little niggas let a rock wilder eat one of them

little niggas you would have been responsible they were signed around it hey man I can't believe you left some kids with sugar night And all the shit you said, that's the most irresponsible shit. They went. They were supposed to be on tour, dog. You take about the time I get you shooting that you made at in the boss. They said they were barbecue and corrupt and dads, and they didn't want to come back out here. And I'm like, how are you going to sit me into the lions den to go get them?

Shit. Damn. Full of history. I'm sure that tape. He brought back memories. He did. I was just like, damn, man. Got your other artists over here, too?

Jamal. That's good, dude, right here is bad. Jamal was crazy. He's like, he was always like the, he's the row he went in the first place, because he always wanted to fight and boxing, like, just, leaking and get it because he wanted to be all smooth, and Jamar was just out, just straight up Philly out of control. He went with Def Squad for a long time.

Both of them, man, like, I would like to see kids, like to see kids as talented as they are, as talented as they wore. I feel like the, I don't know, all the access and all the other shit is weakening everybody. And what they're hearing is, what they got to live up to is so low where they was trying to live up to, you know, rappers and emcees. They were like trying to battle rap people and learn how to rap better and have more skills and all that kind of stuff. So I feel like just now, you know, the bar is low. It's not hard to do it. You know what I'm saying? What everybody's doing is just like, oh, I can do that too. Right.

But that shit was like crazy. I can't believe these cassettes, bro. They look so little. Was it a little like this by then? Yeah. Man, they're so, bro. Because A-track's was the fat ones. That shit was looking like a VHS.

Yeah, man. That's them. TLC fan mail. This was crazy because we, like, we, that shit was DL killed this, this cover. When we first did it, we first, we first, finished for Edmell, you know, left I had quit the group during the whole record. She was like, I ain't, if y'all ain't doing my ideas, then I'm quitting. And so I had to create the virtual Vicky to rapping all the songs.

And so I would take the Macintosh, take each word, like if you listen to Silly Ho or any of those songs, most of the songs, you hear the robot rapping, you hit a computer rapping in it. And I had to take it and put it in the keyboard to make it rap on beat. So, you know, you can't get with this one night, you just tell my bucks, find out who to give it up. Like, because she totally was like, she's not for fucking the group. so that we got to make a virtual version of her. And so most of the records is like me making the computer rap in the song.

Because she was just like, I'm not doing that shit no more, I quit. She quit at the beginning of us recording it. So you- And she was the death row too. She started like. Damn, man, that bro really has some good weed, huh? The thing is, I ain't going back.

I'm really not going back, no. Girl Dallas, ma'am, too. He cool. He cool, but he's man, he ain't feeling this shit, man. That nigga be with Prince now. Coming back talking about spirits and shit, man. Let me hit the giant. Damn.

What if Shug was bullying him, tell him you don't want to be over there no more. But I do. I want to go. I want to go back home. Can we call Dallas? Put that goddamn phone up. Don't make me get them big niggins outside who've been standing outside all day.

That's why they were so ready to fight because they haven't been standing up all that. Hey man, let's just lean back to back like Forrest Gump, man. Why you think shit won't buy no chair, man? He think we're just gonna come down here every day and be gone. He said he liked to keep us angry. If your feet work, make your hands hurt. Wait that goddamn chick. The niggas were so crazy.

They would outdo everything. They outplay your basketball. They'll out rap you. They'll gamble you. They'll hustle you. It's still a keys. Take your car driving to North Carolina. Why you're in a session?

Digger, this is out of control. These niggas in North Carolina. They stole your name. They went to North Carolina. They were confirmed. They were wild. They were wild. Oh, yeah.

They were wild. That's who taught me how to roll a blunt. They taught me how to roll a blunt. When I first, after Lisa left the next day, they looked, Little Malie looked at me and said, yo, where the weed at? I was like, a little nigga, I'm not smoking no weed with you? You're a little kid. He's all right.

He put his own shit out. And then he took a blunt, and he took this shit, and he was standing in there and dumping the shit. What the fuck is that? A little blunt, what are you doing? I'm rolling it. You take the stuff out. See, you take this out.

You're good. All right. There it is. There's, hey. There's so much black history. And that was the first. Play this shit again in February. Just play this the whole month of truth.

Brum, I'm so fucked up right now. Just finding out that Michael Jackson wasn't emotion. Everything you said after that fucked me up. He's able to transcend time and space. Right. Just be from over there to over there. Now I'm wondering, like, will he come back or did he ever leave? Where's he going now?

Don't you think it's just insane that no matter who comes into this world, they're going to sing and know and love Michael Jackson. I don't care. It's never been a child that came into the world, a baby, kid, whatever. How do you still know this? still know this. Like, they don't, don't, don't think of his singing prints like that or Elvis or nobody else, but like, every king has a little time where they're just like, you know, so I feel like his spirit. If they see it, little kids be watching, like, and then people

like, oh, they're still dancing like Michael, still like, I feel like he got, like, all artists when they get, when everybody pass, of course, the stuff just gets more valuable because they can't get to you no more. But I feel like that, that, that this, him as an artist, period, just resonates in a way and see nobody really do like that. It's crazy. I've seen Mickey Mouse of people, like characters do it. But you haven't really seen a person that resonates like the whole life, like they stayed one person

that whole life. Like other countries too. Yeah. And watch some Michael Jackson shit just to be like, there it go. You saw it. You saw it. You saw it. No, Dallas said this nigger can go.

That was the word, right? Bro. I want to just title this shit Michael Jordan should just make his own Nike. Michael Jordan going to get this shit and he might have to come on here and then he can tell us why... Michael Jordan? Yeah. He gonna charge his $250,000. To come on?

He can... He ain't gotta come. Who money? Who money? Is it? I got to put something in? No, I'm not putting nothing in for that. I tell you that, M.J. I watch you on the game. You see what they said.

They talk about MJ on the Tiger Woods. He started hanging with MJ and Charles Barkley. He said, he ain't know what to say. He said, what do I tell the women? And Michael Jordan was like, told you Tiger Woods. Stupid? That's the party. That's the part he did that power.

You big dummy. He told me that nigga like friends, Samson. Don't go over there and get you some pussy. Look as you doing. Hey, watch a pro. Hey, I'm Michael Jordan. Oh, Dallas Austin. You named after two places in Texas.

Oh, man. The name's so big you gotta take out two Texas. You understand what I'm saying? That's the weed. You know you named after two places in Texas, man? This doctor named Dr. Doctor, doctor named Dr. Dallas Moore. A word?

Like a spiritual hoodoo doctor. What? It's like Donaldsonville, Georgia. Like, it's like a, yeah, look him up. He was one of those. He was scratching with a chicken foot. And you turn into a serpent. Not a snake, a serpent.

That baby going to be a boy. Trust me on that. What baby? That one. Okay. Okay. Look, look here. Put the TLC up.

You got the TLC all that. Put the goddamn TLC up. Look at it, man. We ain't going to hold you hostage in here. We damn sure appreciate you. It's been through the truth. I hope you saved the last time. You're a motherfucking legend.

Hey, man. Dallas Austin, 85 cap, so we're out of here. Let's go. We're right, you, both. Man. We appreciate you. There is, man. Appreciate you, dude.

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