The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - DON TRIP & STARLITTO in the Trap! | 85 South Show Podcast

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

Two legends, DON TRIP and STARLITTO, are in the trap for another great conversation with Karlous Miller and DC Young Fly on this episode of the 85 SOUTH SHOW! || 85 SOUTH App: www.channeleightyfive.co...m || Twitter/IG: @85SouthShow || Our Website: www.85southshow.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:14 We got a dudger. I can't help but say your name. How you rapids. Starleto. I got to say it like that every time. I used to, bro, especially in my quote-unquote drug when I was, That's all I listened to with y'all, man. Amongst others, but it was like,
Starting point is 00:02:33 them would be the most memorable moments I remember because I was trying to find myself. And y'all was like, one of the people that would help me with music. When I listen to y'all music, bro, it helped me wondering, like, I want to get some money. You see what I'm saying? Like, I needn't get some money.
Starting point is 00:02:49 I want to do the same thing. So anything that was motivational to me, I always made sure I kept listening to it, and y'all would definitely one more, bro. Y'all did that. How did all that start? Square one. Shit.
Starting point is 00:03:03 I mean, obviously we solo artists, so we was out of kind of doing our own thing. But we crossed paths, just rap hustling on our journeys. We was in completely different chapters of our stories. Like, I think the time we met, I was probably six years from signing my first deal. And really was at the finish line of that. And about to pivot into the independent space. and then bro was about to sign, it was like right before he signed the Interscope deal and whatnot.
Starting point is 00:03:33 Yo, Gadi was actually the person that ended up, like, physically placing us in the same, you know, same room or whatnot. But I had met his music a few months before, like, a couple different, like, a couple different people, like, put me on his music. So I was hip to it, and then God had actually made the introduction. I was kind of on my last days in a partnership with him, and he was trying to sign a trip at the time. So he made the introduction
Starting point is 00:04:01 and it was really just like lightning in the bottle kind of thing. I mean, we talk about it on the album. It's all. On the outro is called Origins. We kind of tell the story in like song form and more detail. But like right away, it was just,
Starting point is 00:04:17 you know, like I said, I respected his pen and that he was cold, but actually working together just came so easy as second nature that we just kept, we just ain't stop sent. I was going to turn in five and, you know, I want to say the whole shit was initially a career idea to make it, you know, to make it a joint tape. We hadn't made it
Starting point is 00:04:42 as far as calling it stepbrothers or whatever we was going to do with it. But, you know, we really was just recording songs. And at some point we looked like shit, we got quite a few records and we only, you know, I want to say that was like the first studio session. That was like, You know, that was our first time actually working with each other, and we cranked out something by the music. And, like, you know, the ball for our song. Yeah, you know. And we both realized right then that the chemistry was there,
Starting point is 00:05:09 and it was organic. You know, when I first met him, I didn't say, hey, man, let's do a shitload of the records together. Like, you know, even though the song said, we say, let's become best friends. It should just, it built itself. And since it happened and the way it happened, we just embraced it. You know, instead of, I think in a lot of cases,
Starting point is 00:05:27 It would be egos involved. I think, I don't know how it happened, but when we met each other, there was no ego. You know, it was, you know, it was genuinely us meeting each other. And it was, it wasn't even meeting Stolito. It was, you know, meeting Jermaine and him meeting Chris. And the shit just clicked. And since it worked, you know, we both viewed it the same way.
Starting point is 00:05:49 You know, why stop it if it's working? Yeah. And even early on, we knew what we was doing was unique. Because in a lot of cases, when you see groups, they either started together, so they've been a group. But when you see groups that get formed, they don't get formed from two people meeting. They get formed from a producer saying, you know, I got this idea. He'd go find one nigga from somewhere and another nigga from somewhere and some old niggas and put them together. And then groups fall apart.
Starting point is 00:06:17 Because they get on the end and be like, I never fuck with that nigger. Right. I didn't even know that thing. That was DJ Katz on. That was DJ Katz on where you know that minute. But for us, we didn't have that. So I think that's why it worked, though, because, you know, we met on our own terms, so to speak.
Starting point is 00:06:34 You know, it wasn't. This is the most low-key nigga I know, bro. This nigga came to my show one night in Nashville at Zane. I gave the nigga a shout out. Everybody in the crowd left. They didn't believe that the-in-lawed. He really, is right? I ain't put him on blast to the end, though.
Starting point is 00:06:53 Man, I had to. They didn't believe the nakers in that, bro. It's crazy, like, y'all style, y'all flow. When you're becoming an artist and you're trying to figure out, like, your typical guy, like you said, you was individual, you was individual, so you already know how I go. Hook verse, hookbird. When y'all do music, it's kind of like poetic. You're not, you're not listening to hear this. I don't want, I ain't spending here this in the club, but I'm listening because I want to hear what y'all saying.
Starting point is 00:07:21 You see what I'm saying? What y'all fit to say? Y'all know that y'all were like, we got to come at these things storylines. That's what might have worked right away. Right. Even the shit that I heard before I met him, he might rap for three minutes straight.
Starting point is 00:07:35 Great. Like just snapping from the time of beat come on. And he's still rapping. No face. No expression. But it's sad. The rap rap, getting down. I don't see the problem.
Starting point is 00:07:49 For a bro. And so I'm like, damn, this thing has got some. something to say. It's like, you know, I'm from Nashville. I spent a whole lot of time in Memphis right away. I'm like, this nigga, the best rap I ever heard come out of Memphis, like, right away. And us working was like, now I got like a complimentary voice to, like, our stories ain't worlds apart and what we got to say. But it was like, it was the lyrics. It was the bars. It was a rap. And it was like literally like the movie, you meet somebody just like you in that regard to, like,
Starting point is 00:08:23 take the rap, the, you know, the craft series. Yeah, the purest, like, we rappers, rappers, like we, you know, it's the bars, like you said. So, you know, we can find a good hook or, but, like, on the concept being, it's like, you might have a story to tell this guy's got two different perspectives. That song ain't going to be as interesting if it's just me doing it. Right. If I got a second voice.
Starting point is 00:08:46 Because y'all always bounced off. You would say something. He would be like, hold up. Hold up. I got to rewind it. What a story going. Yeah, exactly. Always.
Starting point is 00:08:55 Now, my introduction to Lido, way back when you was all starting me, and you came out, I think my initial introduction might have been with the Jeezy shit, the mixtape Jeezy. You and Jeezy put some shit out, bro. It's like, that's still, like, legendary trap shit in Atlanta. Yeah. They're fucking, great goose. That was the time.
Starting point is 00:09:21 Everybody hood was on Grey Goose. What the fuck was in that bird, man? It was just affordable, they made that shit available to it. They made it affordable, but niggins, when a nigg got that great goose, man, it's finical. My introduction.
Starting point is 00:09:36 This is a part. We're turning up. That letter to my son. Before he and Selo got him out, the original motherfucker. That was hard. I ain't even had shoes. I was like, damn, I feel for this.
Starting point is 00:09:49 That nigga looked like he just went through that shit right then. Oh, like, for real. He was going on it to my son. I'm like, man, I hope his son hit this shit, man. That shit was real time. That shit was a real time. I originally recorded
Starting point is 00:10:01 the one on YouTube in 2009. He popped to 2010, maybe 2011. But my son was born in 2009. It was a couple months after it. I was going through that shit in real time. Then, fucking song made my life worse
Starting point is 00:10:19 in the beginning. Because after I put that record out, when I put it on you, to. I didn't get to see him for the first year of his life. It's, you know, so it got even worse. But then, you know, as time progressed, it made it where the sum made me able to financially take care of the people around me. So the money kind of changed the narrative. I can see them now. I got to pay more now,
Starting point is 00:10:47 but I can see them now. So, you know, it was, you know, I looked at it like it was an even swap. You shouldn't say that now you've got to pay a little bit more. They'd be paying it like that. They're probably saying, I heard what he said to me. I want nine hundred dollars more money. Pain and stuff. I said don't mention me in none of your little interviews. They never be a little interviews, your little mirrors,
Starting point is 00:11:14 kick me out of all that shit. I don't fuck with you like that. But that shit changed. the trajectory of the relationship, though. It got real rocky the first couple of years, and then later on, maybe, maybe like five years ago, shit just started being a little smoother.
Starting point is 00:11:38 That's a good way to clean that up. They still want that little increase. Oh, yeah, you know, it is what it is. But even with that, I think I said that last time I was here, My perception of child support is different than it was when I initially got it on child support because I look at it now like, you know, my goal is to make sure my son don't got to be the man in the house. And I ain't in that house. So since I'm not in that house, I'm already behind the A-ball.
Starting point is 00:12:10 So I got to do what I have to do. You know, I still have to do what I have to do to prevent it. And in order to do that, I got to help in that house. Now, I can't physically be there. And, you know, it's a, you know, it's a, there are boundary, but for the most part, I got to, I still have to make sure that. Things are put in person. Right, because when he turned, when he turns 17 and he can go do other shit, and, you know,
Starting point is 00:12:37 you know, you're only human. It's only so much of your mama and I being able to pay the bills you can take before you start trying to help your mama pay the bills. so what do I do I say man I don't even shit I ain't my woman I ain't gonna pay no pay you know I ain't gonna help if I don't help then he'll be selling dope like I was selling dope oh you know no shit you can do now but you get what I'm saying he's only gonna you mature and understand up in the past man I already know what going on right let me get right exactly because in order to keep him from going down the same road I got to extend myself a little more and you know that's an ongoing battle because I got a wife
Starting point is 00:13:13 and a child by her. So, you know, it's certain things a woman's never going to understand when it comes to being a father. And, you know, so for her, sometimes it feels like she's sharing her husband.
Starting point is 00:13:30 But in real time, you know, that's a bullet I got a bite because it's either, you know, it's either that or I'm absent in the... But as a man, every man, you just got to understand to let her know that, that
Starting point is 00:13:42 No, you're not sharing your husband. I just have a reunion with someone. Well, that's what I'm saying. Before you. So you just got to understand that. But you share a unit. So she might understand it today. And tomorrow is a whole different thing.
Starting point is 00:13:55 I got to read. But that's emotional. We got to read. We got to do it again. Yeah, yeah. Come here. You want to hug. Come here.
Starting point is 00:14:03 I love you. I love you. So you know, that's it. And they know they already asked you this shit because they changed the question. They'd be like, so. Right. When they put the soul in front of the question. They come up with some.
Starting point is 00:14:12 That means you can explain enough. Yeah, buddy. So, you know, it gets tricky, but so far so good. I can't, you know, I can't complain. I know in a lot of cases, if I don't make it happen, it ain't going to happen. You know, I take it. I'll take the bitter with the sweet. What is it supposed to do?
Starting point is 00:14:31 The return of the investment is I get to raise my son to be better than me. So whatever I got. That's the goal then. That's the goal then. It's so big. Let me ask you all this. you know, being both solo artists. What's the creative process when it come to doing it as a group?
Starting point is 00:14:51 First thing, first, we are always in the same room. We call our step brothers, right? Like, I don't see me no feature. Right. Like, I mean, he just did 24 albums and 24 months, but for some of those, we might send it out for, like, solo stuff because we're working on our own projects. But for these, it starts were getting in the same room.
Starting point is 00:15:10 And, like, for this project, did 17 songs and the 16 of a major album of it's like they're not just doing anything and throwing away songs or it's like everything we come in a certain pocket
Starting point is 00:15:27 automatically because a big part of it is us pushing each other. So I think we start with I guess beat selection and a lot of that is nonverbal like I can just tell when he like a beat you know what I'm saying because he just
Starting point is 00:15:42 He'd be on the iPad. Nah, it just... Not initially. Initially... He'd be sleeping with his eyes on. Yeah, I, you know, I chimed out of the conversation. I'm, you know, I'm in the zone. And the same thing for him.
Starting point is 00:15:57 For him, we get to standing up and pacing the shit. You know, all right, we got something. It's the option. Yeah, so, you know, we start doing... No, we both can tell. We're playing the beat. And if I look over to him and he ain't already up and moving around, let's move to the next one.
Starting point is 00:16:12 And, you know, we don't sit and listen five minutes of the fucking beat. Right. And we don't need that. It either grabbed you or it didn't. And in some cases, and, you know, for other Stepbrothers projects, in some cases, you know, we got to go through a couple of beats to find the field we're looking for. But for this one, I don't really know what the fuck it was. But for this one, it turns some shit on the first couple seconds.
Starting point is 00:16:37 If we're vibing with it, then we go with that. If we're not, then let's go to the next one. And some of the sessions even involve the producer being present and they'll play a beat which even that was odd because when that happened
Starting point is 00:16:53 we picked the first beat the first beat they played so you know we didn't say we didn't plan it I don't know what you're about to play I don't know what it's going to sound like and the shit just happened
Starting point is 00:17:02 but I think what make our shit work is we don't question it like you know I ain't we ain't sitting trying to We already did this Or we didn't do this Or we should do this When the music
Starting point is 00:17:15 Start speaking to us shit We just started Assisting it But I think it's I've seen y'all live A couple times A few times And just even online
Starting point is 00:17:23 I think it's something To have the trust Or your counterparts Of the people that you're working with And I would say what y'all do Is the closest Comparison
Starting point is 00:17:33 To where The way you niggies Do them drop I told you the last time Where y'all do them drops Niggins is the only They say you do you you being fucking Alaska
Starting point is 00:17:42 January the 3rd, you're like, Alaska, January 3rd, so on, so on. And that's that's damn and how we're writing songs, you know what I'm saying? It's quite a few back and four of records. Yeah. And when you're saying, I'm going to write an 8 and then you ride a, like, I might just
Starting point is 00:17:56 go in there until I get stuck and then it's your time. Yeah, it ain't even nothing to say. My turn, yeah, go and say something after that. Because in real time, once you stuck at me, you ran out of shit. You ran out of shit to stay. Right.
Starting point is 00:18:07 All right, when that happens, and every other faster to me, You can tell when you listen to a nigga and their first eight bars was hard. Then you're like, what the fuck is he come by now? The dead folk crazy. Right, but he's just trying to get his 12. Right, right. Ain't no need for that.
Starting point is 00:18:21 Right. You know, he'd go in and if it take more than 10 seconds to think of what you're going to say next, you're done. Right. I'm going to follow it and we're just going to continue that until, you know, to one of us say, all right, I think song long enough. Yeah. Or, you know, we've done it long enough. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:39 But that's what I mean. questioning, ain't no rule book to the shit. And it be dope that you can exchange like the little secrets of recording with each other, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, definitely. So you're like, oh, this is how you do that shit.
Starting point is 00:18:52 I do mine like that. Well, we've been doing this shit since fucking 2010 or 2011, so it ain't even no secrets no more. Right. At this point, I already know how you rap. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:04 It's kind of mean than a metal. Right. It's like, you know, I used to do ad lips, like heavy. Now he don't do him at all. Like, at some point, I just kind of noticed, like, damn, this nigga just one-take Jake. And he's back out of there. I'm like, so now I'll be doing his ad lips in the background.
Starting point is 00:19:21 Right. It's him doing them on my shit like that, but. Like, when you y'all realize, like, all right, we really can't be on song with other niggins. Like, other people can't even be on our song. Like, y'all don't. When y'all are on the song, it ain't anybody else for you. We never had a rap feature on stepbrothers. Like, our only features was vocalist.
Starting point is 00:19:40 I think it happens because niggas can't rap as they can't I'm like I'm going to say yeah this is the truth
Starting point is 00:19:50 but we we do the records in person and yeah I don't you know I don't have a thousand
Starting point is 00:19:56 if you came to a solo darn trip studio session it's me and the engineer I might have a few of my brothers
Starting point is 00:20:04 in there but they got a serve of purpose you can't just come and kick and come hang out I feel like that's the same
Starting point is 00:20:09 as You know, me coming in your job and just chilling. You know, I'm going to just sit on the fucking counter while you work the register. And we're just going to waste your time while you're on the clock. My bad, I'm sorry. I'm about to stop doing that. I don't know if that was neat for me to hear what. But it's plenty of, I knew that type of shit just after spite.
Starting point is 00:20:28 I go to Walmart and shit and just post up. You'll be wasting both time. Yeah, man. We don't do that in the studio. So when we're doing Stepbrothers' records, It's the same deal. Yeah. Shit for the session.
Starting point is 00:20:42 Probably had my brother there to make sure we don't got to leave and go get shit, cameraman and the engineer and occasionally a producer. But that's how we work. So in order to do a feature, they got to actually be present. The Kevin Gates feature, it happened because Gates was in the studio while we was recording. We don't really, I don't know. Like, you know, while we're working, at no point do we say, oh, man, I want to put us another person in here.
Starting point is 00:21:11 We got what we need. Okay, for these visuals, right? Just got one recruit. Oh, you ain't got to wear. I just want to shoot one video. Yeah, we already, we're headed you on. I take it's lost. The other day, we wrote y'all into this group.
Starting point is 00:21:25 I just got to figure out what it's submitted. Oh, for real? Oh, so y'all was in the video. Yeah. Oh, that's cool, too. But I want to produce a video. Like, I want to bring one. I want to hear one of them songs.
Starting point is 00:21:34 Producing me and me and you're paying for it, so you mean producing. No, no, no, no, no, no. I want to produce the video for it. You mean directed? Yeah, direct to the video. Because the producer pay for it. Do both. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:21:46 I'm just making sure we know. I mean, because I'm going to be banned for a video. I'm with it. Yeah. I'm going to send me the song. I'm listening to that bit. I'm going to tell you going to be the guy. Y'all going to see me that bit.
Starting point is 00:21:55 Come on. You're going to come on another. Oh. I'm like, oh, shit. He's going to hear shit. I'm going to be a story. And I'm going to listen to the story. I already know how you coming.
Starting point is 00:22:06 I'm going to listen to the story. I'm going to hear the seriousness. the seriousness, the, you know what I'm saying, the severity of the shit. You feel me? Who's the problem? Who's the trouble? Who's going to save somebody? Because there plenty of time y'all niggins will save somebody. I'm like, oh, these nigger, really brother for real? Get in the
Starting point is 00:22:20 car. Uh-uh. Don't shoot them. I'm like, oh, you know, that's a guy. So I wanted to bring one of them a bitch in a light, like, it's a movie already. Y'all been writing. Y'all been rapping movies since a jeep. Yeah. That's a couple of them on, us.
Starting point is 00:22:38 Yeah, you can do you see putting this bid in and direct the video. Yes, sir. He said produce it too. I don't know which one. See, you don't, you can fuck them. Now you got to pay for it. I mean, that's the whole thing. I ain't coming to, for them and say,
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Starting point is 00:28:34 talking to ghetto legend. You are already? That's real. Ghetto legend. That's real. Ghetto legends, man. Say that again, man.
Starting point is 00:28:43 Ghetto legendary. I fuck with that. Fought wrong with you nick. That means that when it's all shit and done. When they're going through
Starting point is 00:28:54 the artifacts. When they're going through it. And they're picking up the bones and shit, they're oh, this was a real, Nick. Take a damn. We didn't, hold on.
Starting point is 00:29:03 We didn't just cover the whole detail for the flossal. They left all these music and they were telling us. It did. It was a message in that shit. True that. Every time you hear him rapping the history of one. This thing is said he's been a real nigga since he left his mama over him.
Starting point is 00:29:19 That's before she even got pregnant because he got to come out. You got to come out. You know, you've been paying attention in the clad. That's why no. Help with his favorite subject. Not that conception No can Yeah, before I got here or shit
Starting point is 00:29:40 No can See, niggins be thinking you a real nigga Because you a real nigger's fern But nigger, you're a real nigga Hey You know what I'm saying? Gotta be a tadpole No cat
Starting point is 00:29:54 nigga we were tadposed Oh man Come on, man No cap Yeah Come on, man Who we got in the build alone Stepp brothers, man
Starting point is 00:30:10 We got to Falito and done tripping him Fuck you're talking about a nigga Tag tag tag Yeah, brother nigga no matter Same mama different daddy Same dad different mama, no matter Putting on for the whole state of Tennessee
Starting point is 00:30:22 No cap Nashville No cap Memphis Memphis, man You can't say Memphis without saying Memphis, man. But they're crazy.
Starting point is 00:30:32 Because Memphis, Memphis, just feel like it's just his own state. You forget this in Tennessee. You just be like, that's his. You didn't forget. The last time we was in Nashville, we had the white people's shit.
Starting point is 00:30:44 Mm-hmm. Had them folks. White four was in the lid. Yeah, I was in. They were on some other shit, though. They was on some other shit. Y'all was on some other shit. Yeah, they were on the white folks
Starting point is 00:30:57 on some other shit. When they be, when they get pink, they get red, Send still? The pregnant girl. Why your blood pressure the pump her right now? The pregnant girl in there, I'm telling my, she's pregnant, pregnant. Yeah, so.
Starting point is 00:31:09 I think she had twin. Amen. Auntie with the oxygen machine, she's in the blood. Come on, man. They're crazy. The cowboy black dude. I don't think it was no oxygen in the tongue. He's a guy.
Starting point is 00:31:22 Oh, we made the whole song about him. She's making another herself. The cowboy black dude with the white woman. Who? The one we did the song about. Yeah. What happened? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:31:33 I ain't get no update on that. This is what happened when you get you a white woman. That shit crazed. My boy Harry caught he, called in, call the girl at the show with another nigga. That's him crazy. And then bring me out, bro. Then he didn't bring me. He didn't bring me.
Starting point is 00:31:54 He's sleeping with the other niggins. Whole love triangle, his partner. He could wait to tell the dick he'd be fucking his baby mom. He said, bring me hot guys on the sacks. I said, oh, shit. This is all the shit we're having in at the 85th century. That nigga did the whole backflip both stage. That was in North Carolina.
Starting point is 00:32:15 I said, why didn't go wait to say this, this. That's that fucking bitch. See, oh, ah, this. D.C., you're evil as hell for seven. I don't even know if he said, man. I don't even know if he said. that up if he knew that was going to happen. Hey, bro, that was a little potter, brother, you feel?
Starting point is 00:32:33 So he was all right. So the nigga pulled me to the side. He was like, hey, bro, he ain't going to bleed in. I said what? He's like, bro, girl, feel? With another nigga, she bought the TV for me, and woo-woo, and he's drunk. He keeps bumping it to him and walking back.
Starting point is 00:32:45 You feel, man? So what was? He like, bro, bring me out on stage, bro. I want to confront that dick. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, you know I bring your ass out. You know, you're my pocket, but nigger.
Starting point is 00:32:58 You know, you know. ain't nobody going to stop me if I'm telling you, you know what the shit you want to do it or not he's like, nigger, look at me. Bring me, ah. I said, look, all right. You got to put, you got nip that shit
Starting point is 00:33:15 because we're in front of the hood. I said, hey, boy, your head got 30 seconds. Say what the fuck you're going to say and get off. Man, that nigger went out there and said that shit, that shit was so lit. I thought he was a bull and shit.
Starting point is 00:33:26 He said, that hell. And then they agree to it. He's like, yeah, I'm what you're going. That's some of the wildest shit That's some of the wildest shit I ever seen in real life He's getting there with the other nigga girl, the nigga in the front with his black He said him, I've been fucking hit baby, whoa, woo, who I said?
Starting point is 00:33:46 Yeah Just get back. Just get back. That shit was fine. That shit was fine. You know, they're regular ghetto shit. Right. But we have fun and we ain't fin to fight about it.
Starting point is 00:33:56 Everybody want to say what they want to say, and it is what it is. They did what it is, everybody winning at the end of the day. Look, y'all said earlier, y'all did 43 cities on the last. That's a lot of guys there in the season. How many y'all going to do on this one? We're still building now. Yeah, we got Dallas at it today. And we ended the last tour in Atlanta, so I hope to come back here.
Starting point is 00:34:17 And shit, wherever, you know, wherever they open the doors for us. True that. Like, we went to, Spice winning no existed last run. I went to Bozeman, Montana. Bowman, Montana. Dakota, a place with, you know. He said, Des Moines. Des Moines, Iowa.
Starting point is 00:34:33 That's what Bangladesh from. The producer, Bangladesh. Yeah. I thought Bangladesh. That's from Bangladesh. That's what I was. Now, I knew that, I know that one from Bangladesh. He's from New York.
Starting point is 00:34:45 Shined out to Bangladesh. He was on here a couple weeks ago. He from there. From Desmond. Yeah. We're trying to go wherever, man. Yeah. Now, let me answer you this.
Starting point is 00:34:55 This is a lot of music. right now, especially country music, they add rappers to the country music and shit. I know y'all said y'all ain't had no features, but are y'all open to do features? Definitely. What you mean? Even in different genres. I'm just saying in different genres of music. Yeah, hell, yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:14 I've been doing some writing with, in the country music line. You know, I'm in Nashville. Might as well. Country music money. It's like, I don't made my way down the music road trying to get in. Yeah. As I feel like my pen, you know, like you said, it's an artifact. It'll outlive me.
Starting point is 00:35:31 So whatever space I can get in with that talent and the skill set, writing is writing. This is a poetry, if it's a beat behind it, a guitar, accrues. No, I'm saying, Taylor Swift going to see this shit and she's going to hit y'all look. Hey. That shit is going to be five. That's going to be five. The DMs are open. But who is five y'all, though?
Starting point is 00:35:50 Who is what rap is. Who the head made y'all going to the lane y'all went to? inspired right now or inspired to start? I mean, like, to be this talented, you have to relax and listen to artists you like. That's what I mean, but it's different now than it was then. Okay, what you start with different. Right now, I can't much listen to rap music.
Starting point is 00:36:14 That's understandable. I don't believe nothing they'd be saying. But what happened, you know, I don't know, I think I've been, I don't know I heard so much bullshit that it's hard to give anything to try because for me it got to be
Starting point is 00:36:31 both ways what you just said gotta match you when ain't no beat when I bump into you and I ain't on no super macho man shit so I ain't you know I ain't saying you got to be the fucking gangster of the world or no shit but how you conduct yourself got a match
Starting point is 00:36:47 and in most cases it don't Like, you'll see, you know, the nigger that say he's a stand-up nigga, yada, yada, yada, then he on fucking Twitter arguing with another nigga by the bitch. You know, they ain't, you know, that ain't part of what this is. That said, that, that said a lot of about shit. No, because I, when you said that, I thought about it. It's a lot of motherfuckers dead. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying, that shit got, I don't give him no shit.
Starting point is 00:37:12 That shit got a matter. What I got to do is. He got, he got a lot. I'm on Twitter. What are you telling me for? Right. You're telling the whole world. Right.
Starting point is 00:37:20 Now you beat with a whole other nigga you don't even though. That nigga is seven great. Right. And now I know. Right. Why is how petty a Twitter argument is. But that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:37:28 It can start with two motherfuckers that's really arguing. But then it's going to be some niggins under the comments. It's just gas on the argument. They can't make it work. They can't fuck it too. See it. Now, it's a. It's a hundred of one thing.
Starting point is 00:37:42 I put it to the mayor. Hey, pitch of me and her. They then went on your Facebook and cropped you out the picture and put them in the picture. You can't. She's beef with all these niggins to, but they're going to acknowledge you're going to whoop your ass. Put your business there.
Starting point is 00:37:56 That's what you did. You opened the door for that. But I'm saying if you're supposed to be Super Streetman and, you know, them be the same niggins. I don't, you know, I don't do the internet beefing.
Starting point is 00:38:05 And then they got 96 posts, but you're on internet beef. You know, podcast. That kind of shit. All that kind of shit, even though it's small shit, that shit showed me where you really stand with it.
Starting point is 00:38:16 Sometimes I think just for safety, rappers got to throw some extravagant shit in there. You see how they've been using. Well, see, I ain't gonna be tripping by that. Look, just for safety, right? You see how they've been using all the lyrics against rappers, right? I think just to throw that shit out,
Starting point is 00:38:32 you gotta start throwing like three, four balls or just an extravagant-ass shit. You can't use this because in the next line I said I bought a dinosaur. This shit's not real. Come on, man. You see, I ain't, I ain't a muggin in that bitch. just to kind of like throw them on.
Starting point is 00:38:51 I'm all throwing same nigga that said I had more rice than china. Come on. You can't use this. Come on, man. I just be saying shit. You know what I'm saying? I can get you out there before you can get in.
Starting point is 00:39:03 You see what I'm saying? I'm tripping on that. I'm talking about this shit you're talking about that's supposed to be real. That's supposed to be who you are. That's supposed to get in the truth though. That's what's getting everybody fucked up being too real. I saw you, nigga.
Starting point is 00:39:15 You was at my eye with my up. I'm like, nigga, you was there. You get to you. Like he said, well, he really do listen to, like, R&B and shit only in his own time. But, like, the time's changing, artists, Asian information, and transparency, shit. Like, it's very easy to see if somebody is the real thing. What you see is what you get or the opposite. So, um, I don't probably ain't as far extreme as Craig as far as, like, not inspired by anything.
Starting point is 00:39:47 but I'm I guess I'm always looking for like a brother fresh air or something different Yeah and I ain't caught with you You ain't caught no bread You know this shit Yeah it's the same old
Starting point is 00:40:00 Same old bullshit I can't get jigger with it I don't say I don't want to hear you talk about I ain't no party person And that'd be the gist of what niggas got He gonna tell you you got high Fucked some hole and got some money What's you doing between that
Starting point is 00:40:15 I don't care nothing about none of that It's the other shit That'd be missing What's the real life shit Right Don't be hearing that You always been that type of art of those Then you hear the nigger
Starting point is 00:40:26 That killed 700 people And that's all he's doing He killing him Spending and spinning and rolling Spend some other I don't want to hear that either Niggas That ain't what you do all day
Starting point is 00:40:35 Then you got the niggies That been married For the last 30 fucking years And every song He's talking about the holes But you got a wife That's what that nigga missed fuck what you miss you mean
Starting point is 00:40:47 the freaking bitches man but you miss so much that you never mentioned your wife but even that I'm like I look at that like like you know
Starting point is 00:41:01 you ain't really staying true to what you're saying you're staying true to because even if that's what you miss you got nothing about your nowhere period no one knows in your music that you marry
Starting point is 00:41:11 say you marry or say nigga you're married and you fucking miserable say it like it is I just don't fake for me if you're going to fake for me I'd rather it be on TV where I know that this is fiction right don't give me something that's supposed to be your true
Starting point is 00:41:27 art and it's really somebody else you're a real fan but I don't know some people can only rap about shit that they made up they're good they're making that shit right they're talking about good at her he's like I got nothing to wrong with that I think that's how some people you know that was their introduction the rap was, like you said,
Starting point is 00:41:46 the extravagantly into the top. The most reason artists that I was inspired by, moved by, was probably La Russell. And it's like the new age rap hustling. You know what I'm saying? I'm 20 plus years in
Starting point is 00:42:00 and watched this shit change drastically four or five times over the course of my career. So to see somebody that I probably hadn't heard of, like, maybe two years ago, like, kind of killing it on their own terms and rewriting the wrong.
Starting point is 00:42:14 rule books, so to say, like nigger being crocs and shit. Just walk around and smile. It's like almost polar. Yeah, I mean, and turn that into an endorsement and shit. And do it. He threw it organically. He beat himself.
Starting point is 00:42:28 But that's what I said. That's all I can appreciate it. You know who will be fired with Charles? I like seeing bad. Like, I like being in hand-in-out punch him together. I love music, but I just like see other things. Go hard.
Starting point is 00:42:39 You know who will be fired with child. And storytelling, he's five to. He's from America's Georgia. Nika's Georgia. America's Georgia. That's a city, that's a city, America's Georgia. A small city.
Starting point is 00:42:52 America's Georgia. I ain't never heard of it. You had confused me. I thought you just, I'm like, I was like, America. Yeah, I'm like Georgia is America's Georgia. It's a Georgia, man. It's a city called America's something to us.
Starting point is 00:43:06 Okay, so. Yeah, I had to look that up, Looney. Yeah, Looney. Looney. Looney. Yeah, O-O-N-I. Yeah. You be with drummer, boy.
Starting point is 00:43:16 Okay. Drama produced one on the album. Drum fact. Yeah. Devon. Delved the drummer. Oh, time. Indeed.
Starting point is 00:43:22 That's my guy. Yeah, he popped up over here so often. But I think it was, it was easy to be inspired before we was doing this, too. Because it was like something to. We were talking about earlier. Inspired, like, you know, before we was, I know for myself, I wanted, like, a rapper was like one of the coolest things to be. One time, like, like, growing up coming to. the age. When you end it, your, you know, your perspective is different. Like you said, you're
Starting point is 00:43:49 looking like, man, these niggas lame as hell. Versus, you know, coming up like, damn, I want, I want some money. I want, I want the girls. I want the whatever, you know what I'm saying, whatever you're in it for. And also, that was like on some same thing. Like, we wanted to be regarded as dope, you know, at a point. It used to, rap used to be like a skill set. You actually had to be, you had to be talking about something. But it's changed and that's like, Niggas just got to believe you'll go kill 20 people. You know what I'm saying? Street credit or whatever, your look or whatever kind of come before the music or the rap.
Starting point is 00:44:24 So it is, that's what I said. I'm inspired by, like, people I see, like, changing the game as far as how to hustle this shit. For sure, it was more bread in it than it ever was, but the means to it get a little tricky because you got to just figure it out. It's overstaturated. You just got to find your audience. Once you get your audience, you good. But music, you got to keep feeding them, though.
Starting point is 00:44:47 Yeah. You just got to keep giving them something. Hey, you drop some in there and wait. And drop something in their way. They can't wait for shit. You can't wait. I'm about the older, the artist older than us, they can stay relevant. Like, kind of catch the ways.
Starting point is 00:45:02 Like, Nause put out a bunch of albums in the last few years. And it's current. It ain't, like, Nause trying to repackage 19-90s. Right. You know, you got with hip-boarding, like, itself, you know, current. Even Squyface and Juven with the tiny desk just reminded Like this what the fuck we do
Starting point is 00:45:20 Like it's still better than all this shit That you're listening to right now That tiny desk was crazy That's like inspiring You know Because we're closer to We're closer to them Then we are like the newer way
Starting point is 00:45:30 Right right right right And what we do is more like what they do So I think I think even when y'all remind us And stuff like that It, it shit like Oh hey artists The ones that's coming up
Starting point is 00:45:41 That's gonna have to be sounding like some make sure you sound like something because you want to be this age and still able to pop out and show y'all nigga like that's real let me show you what this shit really because ain't nobody going to hear that shit
Starting point is 00:45:54 when you fought it, nigga, no that shit you made that c-te I'm sorry I ain't going to hear that shit motherfuckers who were 40 I'm requesting some 40 and not rap no what I'm saying
Starting point is 00:46:06 you're saying like when you fought it I'm not going to hear the shit that we were wanting to hear when you were 16 that shit on some 40-year-old shit Yeah, your shit, play that. Yeah, but I've been telling all the rappers who come on here, man, 40-old niggas, we need some shit, too. We might have the 40-old niggas.
Starting point is 00:46:21 We need an old... Y'all, y'all are talking about, time about. Just shit that young niggas can relate to. Just only niggas who 40 are going to be able to relate to. Don't make nothing for them young niggas. Keep the same beat. We need that shit about 88B.P.m. Don't do too much.
Starting point is 00:46:38 Just enough, two-step, and clean up the house, too. Something to watch the car What they're going to say on some shit like that? I was a for you. Give them kids to school because me and your mama need some time
Starting point is 00:46:55 to out there Me and your mama That a nigga wants Air Green That one's a half green That was a half a green. That's what they're going to They're going to nash it.
Starting point is 00:47:11 That's all we want. Because they took the kids to school. To the kids to school, you know they ain't coming on 3 o'clock. Me and your mother. We got four. Ah, yeah. We didn't get named in this, bitch. And we ain't going to clean up.
Starting point is 00:47:24 We're going to make no cleaner. Clean that stuff off there and that kids. Don't touch you. He's that cleaning, but don't touch it. Not with your hand. Check you with a nap. We don't got none of that. kind of feeling, that's a little different.
Starting point is 00:47:45 Oh, kidding. This nigga, he's crazy here. Who is making that type of music, though? It's the people out there making that, especially like on Spotify. I think that's the greatest thing about it being for the Saturday record, though. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:00 Because it's enough space for everybody to be themselves, even although it's not what happens in most cases. But it's enough of it for people to like what they, for you to receive what you like. Yeah. So, you know, even with that, I think, you know, it's pros and cons. It's over-saturated, so it's harder to find. I think people lost the concept of you can like more than one thing.
Starting point is 00:48:23 Remember back in the day when we used to watch videos, they play motherfucking Ice Cube, America's Most Wanted. And then Blank Monday, too, right out. Arrested Development, right after that hit plays. Mr. Wendell, right after the hard I break. So, they'd play some Q-tip and some, you know, I think we lose in our genres, man. Everything don't have to be the same. I think with that, too, people lost the concept that it's okay to like something that you like.
Starting point is 00:48:48 You don't got to, you know, it don't have to be the most popular thing. They don't got to be what he like. I don't got to not like it because he don't like it. And vice versa. I don't got to like it because he like it. I think that's part of it too. Like, you know, people kind of get too tangled in public perception. Like you sense the ego, man, now it's the time where you can just freely be,
Starting point is 00:49:09 Yeah, I listen to reggae, classical music. Like, sometimes I don't want to listen to his shit. Yeah. I don't want to hear. Everybody need to have that shit together already today. Like today, I don't ask for nothing. You need to all right know what you want to do. Why?
Starting point is 00:49:26 I got a whole bunch of different playlists. I got one playlist ain't nothing but puss-ass R&B on that. That's the name of the playlist, puss-ass R&B. What they're saying? Man, I got a whole playlist of shit make you feel like we just broke. up. I'm talking about that sad shit.
Starting point is 00:49:42 Damn. Carl Thomas Summer crazy. Oh, what's that songs that you think of? He's got into a pussy-ass army. He didn't put that in the Arnbee's going to take the big.
Starting point is 00:49:56 Ain't that bad I ain't crying. I don't need you on. The saddest songs you can think of. Brian McName, do I ever cross your mind? All that shit is on that.
Starting point is 00:50:08 It's a whole R&B. The women love that shit. That's on my playlist. I got all that shit. Yeah. Then I got a white people song playlist where I have just made a hit list of all my favorite white people song. I can't say that. I do.
Starting point is 00:50:21 I got it. It's on the feudal. I ain't got a lot. Come on, man. What's some of the white people songs on? Oh, man. I got the Doobie Brothers on there. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:50:29 None of them. I got a. What's the song? Casey and the Sunshine. I guess it's multiple. Oh, okay. I got Casey and the Sunshine Band. Because sometimes when I be rapping.
Starting point is 00:50:39 by myself, sometimes I just want to hear that white boy play that funky music. Because if you listen to the song, it's like the white boy figured out that he knew how to play the funky shit. Like he's seeing other white people track, but then he snuck all by himself and then like practice it. Like, you hear this shit? And it had to be around some niggas, Stephen. That's what the whole song is really about. It's about like how he didn't know that he could play that funkin music.
Starting point is 00:51:07 And the crazy part is the niggins behind. And I'm like, play that fucking mute. They act them off. They called the white boy. Yeah, that's supposed to have been around some. Right. He's white boys. That's what they called themselves white boys.
Starting point is 00:51:19 Because he didn't even, listen to what they're saying. It sounds like some shit, the old black man to tell you. Lay down and book it and play that fucking music to you, da. That's the old black man in face. I ain't know the nigga nice. Come on, man. Oh, man. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:38 I got a few. Steve Miller band. Abra-cadabra Don't know him He's the joker And the smoker And the midnight toker Hotel California, bro
Starting point is 00:51:50 The Eagles and the Red Hot Chili Peppers Version I want to the Eagles concert Come on, man Career I don't know None of that mean I've only ever been to one concert
Starting point is 00:52:00 In my life Come on man I've been who I've got the Beatles on that Gena Iko concert I don't have been A concert at the wall Yeah
Starting point is 00:52:08 Come on man I'm staying with you to hit my section I got George Michael the careless whisperer on now damn George Michael that's when the cocaine was pure because that Nick do you listen to what he's saying
Starting point is 00:52:24 you can tell the cocaine hitting him Tonight the music seems so loud It's the same voice It seems so loud It just seemed like volume has been there at the whole Come on, man.
Starting point is 00:52:42 Come on a guy. I wish that we could have lost this crowd. No one of nobody. Come on, man. The nigga just, we got tired of a singer and told the nigga on the sexophone, man, play the next birthday.
Starting point is 00:52:56 The nigga on the saxophone solo. Yeah, I ain't think about this. Speaking of the studio, man, you got it. I used to stay out of white people business, but I had to put plain white teeth, hey there, Delilah on there. Because if you listen
Starting point is 00:53:15 to that shit, they was really going through it, bro. What they have? What they say? For some reason, Delilah just up and moved in New York City. No explanation than none. This nigga still fuck with him. He been calling
Starting point is 00:53:29 her phone, writing the little letters and shit. He just had to fuck around and write his phone. Right. And that was it? That nigga was just wondering. Hey there, Delilah, what's like in New York City He's just thinking about the whole We don't even know what the fuck he is
Starting point is 00:53:43 But wherever he is, that shit's a thousand miles away Right She's a fat bad That left his stupid ass Damn This like in California Yeah, that's a lot of this shit
Starting point is 00:53:57 You know, that's a lot of this shit You're like to get the genre What's the genre? What's the genre? I want it Yeah On top with you Tell me my
Starting point is 00:54:07 ain't nothing I'm like, man, that he's good. I don't fuck with that. I can't let niggins though I like this shit. Tell me why he's... Yes, you can. I never... How do I fucking know I'm working to hate?
Starting point is 00:54:22 The thing's that how do I know how to work? Damn, the boy's good. If you ever worked in retail, you know a whole bunch of white people's songs that you're supposed to know. You're like, well, the boy good hair, boy. How do I fuck go out, honey? That shit was real perfectly. White people.
Starting point is 00:54:40 I'm not going to read the Jackson wrote that song. Perfect different white people. Somebody black wrote that song. That's something to do with the backstreet boy. That he was like, why? I was like, why, man? Why? See, some music beat too good.
Starting point is 00:54:55 You're being wrong with the story. Oh, man. This boy good, man. You ought to have multiple playlists, man. I guess I was white pop. I don't, he cultural white. Is that white pop? You like pop.
Starting point is 00:55:07 I like the pop. The pop column. because I was in the Michael Jackson era, so I guess anybody that was in the pop, I know about some pop. Pop music. What? He said, why do I know all the words?
Starting point is 00:55:18 Why do I know all the words? This shit is good, man. This shit real good. What? Oh, man. I don't know, man. My white people music might not be as extensive as yours. Your shit's saying.
Starting point is 00:55:32 I'm from Mississippi. I heard a lot of white people music. Yeah. Yeah. Everywhere we went, we heard. white people's shit. Yeah, I'll show you that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:42 Hi, my name is. And the fuck that part is, man. It's some old racist motherfuckers that got some dope-ass music, too. But it's still fuck them. Right. But the musical. Who? Who?
Starting point is 00:55:55 A lot of, like, the early rock shit, that was just, like, a lot of songs that they just took from black people and made them in the rock songs anyway. Oh, that was freshness. What about the kids, niggins? They're crazy motherfuckler. They had the hole. They had the hole. And boys, and the hot thing that did
Starting point is 00:56:13 do all that. Shoes, too. What the fuck? You don't know. Kids had a on the high-heel boots. The hole. Kiss had the holes.
Starting point is 00:56:23 They probably the motherfuckers who invented having the holes. No. Not these niggins. They was dressed just like them. Man, that's how they got them. Chopping in the same section.
Starting point is 00:56:35 They had the holes, She dude The nippers out Getting all the holes We just like The knicker with the Full makeup They're getting the holes
Starting point is 00:56:45 With full makeup on Niggins are doing it now That's crazy Wren Didn't even take the makeup Off for the hose Fucking the hole They took out
Starting point is 00:56:53 Towards I guess like towards The end of that shit While they was active On the road Getting the hose They stayed in In full character Because the holes
Starting point is 00:57:01 Don't need to know My real face Right Because the holes See me out With my family right right
Starting point is 00:57:08 it's a disguise you don't need to know you don't know you just see me on the drum man fucking a
Starting point is 00:57:16 oh he had the most oh man oh man he had the most home you don't know how group is break down bro
Starting point is 00:57:25 yeah yeah it's the group instruction and everything like if you're on the football team
Starting point is 00:57:30 you're a quarterback you're gonna have top notch hope right you're supposed to I saw a quarterback man, his whole one out.
Starting point is 00:57:37 They don't make me he starts quarterback unless you got top-knockers. He said, they can't make the first three unless you got top-knocked. Yeah, yeah. It's the requirement.
Starting point is 00:57:50 You're third. You got to have a bad thing. You can throw. Well, how you hold? Sit them down. Chaucer, get in the game. Get you another fish, man. Get another bitch, man.
Starting point is 00:58:03 Get another bitch and get on the bench. Get on a bitch. That's a bar. You don't see how they treat you. All right, man. You can't be, hey, all right. I ain't gonna say it because I don't want the back laugh. But it's the correlation to all of this.
Starting point is 00:58:22 They're gonna think we're just talking about the holes, but me and who are watching the show know exactly what we're talking about. Not the hoes. Right. It's not like real prostitutes. Women here with us say hoes. They think we mean like. Like disposable.
Starting point is 00:58:37 Y'all be buying, bitch? Don't we don't. Come on, man. I have yet to meet those guys who do that. I'm kidding. That's in the Dominican Republic. Them probably. Don't know.
Starting point is 00:58:49 Yeah, you got to put it. That's the Dominican Republic. No, that's in America. All right. It's Airway. Yeah, it's Airway, but I'm just letting them phone know it's in Dominican Republic. There's a lot of people out here in financial relationship. Oh, women?
Starting point is 00:59:03 I ain't a New Center. No, it ain't this. Because we can only speak on our side. So you got to address the men who allow this in. Yeah, it's a nigga getting paid to be in a relationship right now. No, he is paying to keep the relationship going. 90% of the time. There's a few jigglows out here thriving.
Starting point is 00:59:20 Yeah. But I don't know. Ordinarily, I would be opposed to the nigger having to pay for it. But I think that's a whole lot better than kidnapping women and, you know, going serious. killer, you know, doing all the extra shit. Them teachers, I'd rather you just, just buy. They don't count. They don't count.
Starting point is 00:59:42 But that's what I would rather, I would rather you just buy then, you know. Some people have to, I already said it, that they should legalize prostitution, at least medical. Medical prostitution. So the big pussy got to be qualified for medicinal use. Yeah. You got some ibuprofen and melatonin. Melatonin in your poochie. Talk about going to the dispense.
Starting point is 01:00:08 Yes, yeah. Yes, can I go to some of the in the car? In the car. No, in the car. In. Dude, it comes with the ticket, with the hole sponge out of your laughing. You can smit it, dude. You're like, I don't want that one.
Starting point is 01:00:29 I got a pussy car. They only got the whole punch in that one. Oh, I got my pussy's got my pussy. That's been nothing. Look, this ain't right here. I'm entitled to 15 puss to a month. You gotta have a living. A nigga bed down overuse.
Starting point is 01:00:43 Long as I don't got an ounce of pussy on. No one. It's a miss to me. The niggins sell a counterfeit pus the car. Man. You know what I'm gonna be up early to get there. I need your shit. I need.
Starting point is 01:00:58 I'm pulling up to get my spot at 3.30 a.m. In the car with the heat on. I'm on the pre-order list. Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebeney, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm Ebeney, and every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. On Pretty Private, we'll explore the untold experiences of women of color who faced it all, childhood trauma, addiction, abuse. abuse, incarceration, grief, mental health struggles, and more, and found the shrimp to make it to the other side.
Starting point is 01:01:42 My dad was shot and killed in his house. Yes, he was a drug dealer. Yes, he was a confidential informant, but he wasn't shot on a street corner. He wasn't shot in the middle of a drug deal. He was shot in his house, unarmed. Pretty private isn't just a podcast. It's your personal guide for turning storylines into lifelines. Every Tuesday, make sure you.
Starting point is 01:02:04 you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect Podcast Network. Tune in on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness, the way it has echoed and reverberated throughout your life, impacting your very legacy.
Starting point is 01:02:29 Hi, I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the professional. and powerful stories, I'll be mining on our 12th season of Family Secrets. With over 37 million downloads, we continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. I can't wait to share 10 powerful new episodes with you, stories of tangled up identities, concealed truths, and the way in which family secrets almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests, for this new season of Family Secrets.
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Starting point is 01:03:19 And we're the host of the Good Mom's Bad Choices podcast brought to you by the Black Effect Podcast Network every Wednesday. Historically, men talk too much. And women have quietly listened. And all that stops here.
Starting point is 01:03:31 If you like witty women, then this is your tribes. with guests like Corinne Steffens. I'd never seen so many women protect predatory men. And then me too happened. And then everybody else wanted to get pissed off because the white said it was okay. Problem.
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Starting point is 01:04:45 I'm on the Black Friday list. I already got my tickets. Fuck what you're talking about. My ticket says,001. I'm first. I'm 002. What kind of condition you got to have? What should have to go to the doctor?
Starting point is 01:04:59 You got to be a addict. You got to go in the way. You got to go in there. He's going to go in there and figure out. He's going to come back and tell you, look. Get in there. Start crying. If you cry when you go in there and give you one off the rest.
Starting point is 01:05:13 And tell them you homeless. Tell them you homeless. You ain't got no water to stay. Before you start talking, start crying. Tell them for you patiently, working long hours. Everybody in that jacked crime. You walk past everybody. They're just like, oh, no, what a good.
Starting point is 01:05:32 You look to the nut. I chapped him going through. Everybody crying and watching it. Right. The whole wave room side. He told me one thing in there with a tuxedo with a ring going to act like he's crazy. Excuse me, my wife in there. Oh, he's looking for me.
Starting point is 01:05:55 I'm looking for it. You know, they said he can get 35 a month. He'd be coming back next week with a suit. Boy, you're stupid, boy. Hell no. Damn boy. That would stop a whole lot of shit, though. There'd be a whole lot less balance.
Starting point is 01:06:16 Yeah, that shit is stop a whole lot. They got them over there, Asian. They got like, they're like an alleyway. It ain't in an alleyway. You went down that, then. No, you got niggins that be having them little middle class. And those niggins that be tanning, but they don't even give They'd be like, let me go to like a little massage pleasure.
Starting point is 01:06:36 They'd be like, hey, hey, he'd be like, hey, how you doing? Look, I want a little massage. He'd be like, massage. He'd be like, yeah, I want a little neck. Are you translating this? Literally, see me in that job, sir. Huh? And he'd say, he said, I want some neck.
Starting point is 01:06:50 And she'd be like, I want you born lip. And she's like, yeah, she's like, $70 more. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then he'll cut it off. I was like, God, damn. It might have been the actress. The thing got 100 videos of your shit, bro.
Starting point is 01:07:06 He keep doing this thing. The niggins said, but he cut it off. This nigga is crazy, bro. He's just going spots. Oh, man. What shit? It'd be funny in hell, bro.
Starting point is 01:07:19 It do be funny because they bust those massage pauses, like, every week. And then you, they show the, like, when they show the prostitutes that they busts in your city, it'll make you so disappointed in your city. Because these ain't a left. Frus, these are working with
Starting point is 01:07:37 these are ones who really out there putting in work. Right. And then you see what your city is doing. It makes you want to move. It doesn't make you question, who the fuck was buying pussy from them? They were running it up.
Starting point is 01:07:53 Whoever those guys are, let us know when y'all catch a dim. Put them niggas on ways. Them niggas need to be outcast. You're so sure. They should at least post their pigeons so we should shame them. Don't tell us.
Starting point is 01:08:09 These are in the story. This the prostitute and this will try to back. Oh, oh, man. Oh, wait he come to work tomorrow. I'm on your ass, Craig. Oh, man.
Starting point is 01:08:26 All right. So, us as a rap group. Right. Yeah, y'all is about inspiration. I was thinking about that. Like, we had the UGK, OutK, Alc, et by MJG, et cetera, et cetera. Probably, 10, 15, like, two-man group. They kind of, I guess, somewhere paved away.
Starting point is 01:08:45 Right. But I gave us some example to work from. Y'all as a collective, who was y'all inspired by as far as, like, a group? Because I ain't seen no shit. It was, like, I mean, you had the Kings of Comedy, like, tour together, which I actually, like, you know, performed together. I think our chemistry came from Wile and Not. Like, it built from Wile and Not because we realized,
Starting point is 01:09:13 and I don't get me wrong, everybody at Wild Nile's not as a family. But it's just like certain ones you click with on certain dishes shit. Like, I may click with others on some other shit. I may click with them on some other shit. But I ended up clicking with him on some comedy shit. You see what I'm saying? And then it was more so like, my first go around, first night, flying with this nigga to go to Wilder Night.
Starting point is 01:09:32 We get stuck. This was stamped our relationship because it's like, all right, we're in a blizzard. We buy ourselves, nigga. We really, it's me and you, I know you and you don't know me, but we feel to find out who the fuck we really had tonight.
Starting point is 01:09:48 We snuck. And, nigga, I can't leave you. You can't leave me, nigga. He's like, nigga, fuck that. Nicky is, we probably be the only two niggas in the airport. So we figured out who we was then. And when we went to the wild life,
Starting point is 01:10:00 you're like, I was like, I can fuck with a homie. And then he saw, how an interview of me saying that how I fought with him as an OG comedian, he was just, I already was like, oh, no, I got to fuck with him because he's been to step into a lane, and he's going to need a little guidance. You dig what I'm saying? So when we built that chemistry, when we built that chemistry from wild and out, we was already tight.
Starting point is 01:10:22 When he asked me to do this, I was just trusting him as a friend and trusting him with his vision. We really still don't have nothing that we, we go from where it's like who we look at to do this shit because it's still fun to us you see what what I'm saying it was just an energy of chemistry knowing that like I we comedians over here this job how can we make this shit fun to us and we got a space to just be like remember all the shit they said we couldn't do it over there yeah they do that shit right here you feel what I'm saying that's that's that's that's similar to like I was asking like how it happened
Starting point is 01:10:59 origin-wise, it was other rappers around. Like I said, it was literally a rapper that brought us together. Right. And it was on some business shit. But it was even the first studio session. It was other rappers that he came to my spot. Other rappers that came there that day. Right.
Starting point is 01:11:12 And he'd tell the story better than me. But I lined him up with one of my people that spent some money with him. They also spent some money with the other rapper. And, um, but what he took from it was, you know what I'm saying? He had a different appreciation for even just a gesture. But on the other side of it, it was like, like I said, I had been in it a little bit longer. He was at a turning point and I felt like he had more, like, greater potential than even. I signed like 19.
Starting point is 01:11:42 I didn't know what the fuck was going on. I was just happy to be signing with Cash Money Universal Motown. It was some dream come true type of shit. But now I'm five, six years later. Like, I see the game, the business for what it is. And, like, even though I didn't know him like that, I'm. I wanted to see him do more with it than I was able to do. And that was like, that was one part of it.
Starting point is 01:12:06 And like he said, just kind of setting a rap shit to the side to just level with somebody. Like, I fuck with, bro. You know what I'm saying? I fuck with how he moved. He itself. He, like, came in and like, man, I ain't been wearing jewelry. I ain't going to start wearing jewelry, no. Like, just smile shit like that.
Starting point is 01:12:23 I'm like, damn, he knows who he is kind of thing. So it made it easy for me to share what I did have. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't, it wasn't resources as much as, like, knowledge and the same way, like you said, it was people telling us don't do the shit that we was going to try to do. But for us, it was like, shit, fuck it, we're doing anyway. And then to be able to look back, like, remember when they didn't want us to do the shit? Exactly. Right.
Starting point is 01:12:50 And so, what the fuck going to happen? What they're going to do? He's getting trouble for a lot of shit. What they're going to do? They got trouble for a lot of shit. What are they going to do? That is still going to be the whole of my motivational speech.
Starting point is 01:13:04 What are they going to do? That thing might hit the cone and be like, man, you ain't going to believe that? I'm like, what? Man, fuck that. I'm going to say this shit anyway. I was like, oh, I just see. But yeah, that's, that's dope, though.
Starting point is 01:13:19 Because I ain't feel like I had like a blueprint to follow or no direct. I'm sure y'all had inspiration, you know, just personally or people y'all watch. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Comedy, comedy wise, but when it comes to, like, what we're doing, like, on the stage, we're looking at each other. You know what's the, I was here, that's my inspiration for this.
Starting point is 01:13:39 The blueprint would be the Jamie Fox, the Foxhole, that Foxhole radio shit used to do on the XM joint. And then I used to just right around, like, just listening to that shit. And then it was like, it was so ahead of his time that they just committed. having, the Jamie Fox Foxx where he would just have comedians on just talking shit, just roasting, talking shit, just about anything. And it was just
Starting point is 01:14:08 so ahead of his time. And I was like, when they stopped doing that, this was just a little bit before they actually made the transition to the podcast. And there wasn't no black comedy podcast nowhere.
Starting point is 01:14:24 So that's the shit that, like, as far as the media side of it. That's the inspiration for me. Because I got to see something that I thought was ahead of his time. And then to see that it was, this is where the genre is going to the digital side, made me be like, shit. You got to get on.
Starting point is 01:14:43 Because it's like, I know, like you said, you know a lot of rappers. You know a lot of rappers, but it ain't everybody you can have chemistry with it. And these the niggas that I have organic conversations with. Whether we're performing or not, we still might end up. front of the hotel talking for three hours and go catch the flight. Yeah. Just because we're talking the kind of shit
Starting point is 01:15:04 that we like to talk. Right. We talk how we want to talk and how we talk. Yeah. And ain't no good on it. Yeah, that's a sign because I sat in a thousand sessions
Starting point is 01:15:16 but you really, you don't just jail with everybody. You don't rock with everybody. I mean, I come to do the work and do my job. That's a given. But for this project, it was sessions where we probably got to the studio and chopped it up like this
Starting point is 01:15:30 for hours and it's kind of like oh damn when in the studio cut a beat on kind of thing but them conversations are lead to the song you know what I'm saying it's like the vibe the bond kind of
Starting point is 01:15:42 set the tone for the music itself versus the opposite like we're talking about there's niggas in groups and don't even like each other but they hate each other I can't stand right
Starting point is 01:15:52 they want to take away from fuck this shit right right I don't like that motherfucker Right. Hey, hey, get your man. That's my right. There's only one in the middle
Starting point is 01:16:08 that's cool with one of, you know, cool, both of a day, cool. Yeah, I'm like, listen, man, I'm trying to provide for us, man. Who's one more of us? I don't think of the word. No. Crazy.
Starting point is 01:16:21 No, it probably, it's probably super vulnerable. I got to ask for the fans, man, since y'all ain't had no features. Who did y'all think? It's going to be the first actual feature in the Stepbrother series. We talked about this the other day. I'm going to throw it out there just because I think it would be cool. We talked about, I think we mentioned about biology.
Starting point is 01:16:48 Yeah. A-Bile MJG would be like a, that would make sense. You know, just. I think that's one we could make happen, though. Yeah, you definitely could. But like, it'll have to be another group, you know what I'm saying? Something that can kind of match to the, match, you know what? I ain't say it because I don't like, I said this a few days ago.
Starting point is 01:17:10 Be careful what you say on the Magic Couch. Mm-hmm. You say some shit on the Magic Couch. You know, I ain't said amongst us because I don't believe you can speak things into existence, but I do believe you can speak it out of existence. I don't think of Magic Couch. Either way, I had reached out to Jada Q's people. I was trying to see if it was possible for us to get a Jada and Stiles feature.
Starting point is 01:17:37 You know, we made it further along. Don't leave Sheik out. Well, that's the thing. It would be for the tandem, the way, you know, that's part of where we come from as far as a duo, the way Jada and Stiles share verses. Okay. I don't know why they don't much share verses, which it's, I can't remember the name of the song. But it's a song where they actually do.
Starting point is 01:18:05 But most of the time, when they're going back and forward, Vich Jeter and Stiles. Yeah, we're going to make it. Yeah, they got a shitload of records where they go back and forth. Yeah. That'd be a mean, that'd be a mean. Uh-huh. Yeah. That might be the closest inspiration, like, stylistic on some shit, like, the way they trade boys.
Starting point is 01:18:26 But they'll end up catching them. verse and the hook that you know making it a song yeah you see what I'm saying y'all made it a story every time but see they can do that too they got a record called uh the heist I want to say it's on their second maybe their first album but it's styles and jaylor and they tell them story them robbing the bank I love you talking about so you know I think even in that even in that field they could still uh you know I still think it will complement what we do same for ball and And they can hold their own, too. Yeah, true.
Starting point is 01:19:01 I think that's the most important part of it, you know, because if it's going to be a feature, if it's going to be a, if it's going to be a sweep, you know, it almost ain't worth doing then. Because, you know, you wanted to bring something that we couldn't provide on the own.
Starting point is 01:19:19 If I wanted to half ask it, I could have half-assed it myself. Right. I think them two would be the, Yeah, he might not feel this way But I I like Bootsin'Webby, right?
Starting point is 01:19:36 I'm good And I don't know his relationship To that music I was speaking for myself I'm for me, I ain't an avid fan But, you know, I definitely Respect and appreciate it. I think there's a extreme amount of value To what they did
Starting point is 01:19:53 I even think Who were boosting and Web at me You know how like in the biblical times where like God just be picking like you pick apostles from people from just different areas and he picked Boots in Webb
Starting point is 01:20:06 from like to represent like ghetto history yeah they're too important yeah they definitely I will definitely give them man you know who will go crazy on on the song with y'all
Starting point is 01:20:22 this hold on I gotta say this this one I knew Webby was a pro what when that nigga said the girl be cleaning the cooking and cooking and cleaning and cleaning yeah like that shit
Starting point is 01:20:40 you didn't want the motherfucker to cook and clean that one was clean and cooking right all right he said that one told her I don't know it was both on that's all this one I knew he gave a fucking about the people though when that niggas said that shell gas too high then go to circle can't.
Starting point is 01:21:00 Nick be forgetting the gas like this. Gross still good now. Doing great. We needed them affirmations as black people. That's what I'm saying, but I felt like bringing that out of each other. Yep. You know, who'd be fired with y'all,
Starting point is 01:21:11 uh, pin wide, though. Pin wide. Fiam off. Man, we're in shout out tomorrow earlier. Yeah, I, uh, I've been in contract where it was smoke. Yeah, shit. I don't know how they relationship is.
Starting point is 01:21:31 I don't know how their relationship is. They're brothers. Yeah. How about them losing? Nobody's choosing. Losing. They were like, that cat is crazy. I'll fuck with Phil Martin.
Starting point is 01:21:41 Yeah, definitely. That's one of them groups that, you know, like I said, that was one of them groups that inspired us. Yeah. And I think that's another thing that made it work so well for us. I don't know how he looked at it prior to us meeting. But I always wanted. wanted to be able to do, to do tighter records with another person.
Starting point is 01:22:04 And up until then, I would have to write the whole record for that to happen. And when we met, you know, it's like I finally found a person I get, you know, almost like, you know. Throw the altitude. Right, or vice versa. You know, it was like, now I don't have to be both hats. Or like he said earlier, you know, I could write this song from two perspectives, but it would sound so much better if that other perspective was another person. And in our case, you know,
Starting point is 01:22:31 when we found that, because I always wanted to be able to I started rapping with my brother. At some point, my brother stopped. Well, I won't say stop. I think at some point I got more serious about it. It became something for me. And not so much
Starting point is 01:22:47 for him. So he didn't love it. And since he didn't love it, you know, it didn't grow or aspire to be more than what he was. So in that, you know, me really being knee deeper in music, I ain't, you know, I lost the, the counterpart, so to speak. So, you know, we had to take up both weight. Right.
Starting point is 01:23:08 And then, you know, when we linked, it was worlds apart, you know, years apart. But when we linked, then, you know, it was refreshing. I'm like, damn, you know, I don't, and I don't got to coach him through. He got it. So, you know, that shit. Right. Right. And, you know, and that shit just.
Starting point is 01:23:23 The van. I'm all the child. So, you know, I probably know I was one of them. a brother down the period. Yeah. And in rap, it was like my peers, it was people I had chemistry
Starting point is 01:23:35 with working, but, like, I feel like me and your guy that had a serious chemistry, like, collaborate. But we was even more pronounced solo artists, like with two separate deals. Yeah. On the same umbrella, so it was like, well,
Starting point is 01:23:49 you kind of focus on your shit and I'm focused on mine. They're just running parallel, even if we're in the same car, kind of thing. artists like, same way we did five songs. I got in the studio with Gucci Man did five, six songs the first time. We never sang with Doug.
Starting point is 01:24:05 Yeah. Yeah, I think you did too. I mean, me and Dogfrog did 10 records or something. It just saw it was like perfect timing. I think along with the course we was on. Like I said, we was passing each other and going in a different direction. Like I said, I'm coming out of
Starting point is 01:24:21 being signed like, fuck this shit. He about to get signed. And so it's kind of like, word. I I'm fucking with what you got going on but I'm gonna just try some shit just do whatever because I've been trying to do it that way and this shit really ain't for me
Starting point is 01:24:34 and then you look up and he gets to a point with like fuck this shit like it really like coming out of that now I'm figuring out the independent Ryan that much more
Starting point is 01:24:43 so we just like kind of keep versus you pass somebody on their way down we keep crossing the path like you know what I'm saying yeah parallel yeah and really elevating you know bringing each other but we need you guys
Starting point is 01:24:57 I've noticed, like, all right, we grown now, right? Like, y'all ain't know each other coming up. Y'all heard of each other, but y'all have grown. Like, at this point, you know, been through things, you know, trusting people is number one. Like, you know, you don't show no face expressions, so you don't need a nudge. I don't need a nudge. You like him or not.
Starting point is 01:25:14 Like, did you hear me? Like, I heard, all right. That's move your face. God, die. So it's like, shit. When did you. But see, that's what made me fuck with them, though, though. My favorite Don Trips song is I don't give a fuck if they don't like me.
Starting point is 01:25:30 You get what I'm saying? That's one of them ones that's... Maybe if they made a movie about my life, that bitch coming up about 13 minutes, about 13 minutes, right in 13, 14 minutes. I'm going to find a reason for that something. But we and y'all knew like, we and y'all knew like, okay, yeah, nah, shout out a real one.
Starting point is 01:25:52 For me, it was the first day we met, Because, like, he was speaking about getting his people to spend some money with me, I ain't know this thing at all. Like, you know, we was familiar with each other music. But I really came to his spot because the other person had a, you know, I don't know how they worked it. I don't know how it came about. But his people was buying a verse room somebody I was with.
Starting point is 01:26:18 So, you know, I'm really just a fly on the wall. They're upstairs recording. I'm downstairs chilling. And then, you know, somebody can, I don't even remember who came and got me. But, you know, somebody came and got me, they were like, you know, Star Wars and I come up, he was like, you know, this guy wanted to get a verse for me. And my shit, I'm with it.
Starting point is 01:26:38 And even right then, I didn't even know, dude that, never fucking heard of me. I ain't find this out until, you know, dude, we recorded it. They did like the light mix and he didn't dip. And they was having a conversation. He was like, yeah, I played the so-and-so, so-and-so. I told him, you know, It's worth fucking with. I'm like, damn, you know, he ain't owed me that.
Starting point is 01:26:57 He ain't owed me from, you know, again, he might have heard some records, but we never met him, he don't owe me no favors. And he did him in favor. And it wasn't even on no, you know, cut me in kind of shit. And that, that did everything. Because at that moment, I was on the road, and I was selling dope, so I ain't had no, you know,
Starting point is 01:27:15 I had no traditional job. Ain't got no fucking money put up, no kind of shit like that. So I'm on the road. I can't sell dope on the road. We, you know, I'm on the road with God. I'm on his tour bus. Right.
Starting point is 01:27:26 So I ain't really got no bread like that. I got, you know, enough to maintain, but I can't really do shit. So when he made that move for me, you know, that shit, it meant everything because I needed it. And, you know, again, at that same time, I got a child. So, you know, I got everything I could spare. We was getting down to the pennies. And, you know, when he looked out for me then, that meant something to me. So that alone made me say, all right.
Starting point is 01:27:54 you know, you know, it's worth exploring. You know, I got to give him a fresh shake because he ain't owe that. And if he'll do that for me and I'm a complete stranger, and, you know, I can only imagine what you do for the people you care about. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:07 And then, you know, from that, I think that's what opened the door to give it a fresh shape. Yeah. And, you know, time just prevailed. You know, we've been through shit. We should, you know, our ups and downs, we got, of course, more,
Starting point is 01:28:21 of course, more ups than down. but that's because even when like it ain't many people you can disagree with without falling out with you got to be able to disagree that's what I'm saying and that was the thing that for me that's what meant the most to me that we could disagree with each other it can it they never get heated but we can strongly disagree with each other yeah and it won't go no further than that disagreement the disagreement don't turn into us having a quarrel with each other I ain't beefing with him now because we ain't agree. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:57 From me, I can't really, like, I shit don't get out of hands. I can't even remember a time we disagree. But whenever it happens, we find a way to agree to disagree. We'll meet in the middle. Sometimes you don't have to do shit. Right. All right. You do that.
Starting point is 01:29:12 That's a motherfucker. But that's a very, that's a hard thing to acquire when you're dealing with two people who are for men. Well, that too, but we felt, like he said, that was a point in his life. He felt like he got it together for himself and vice versa. I ain't, I don't think I don't got to do what you say. And he don't got to do what I say. But the fact that when the ego is involved, I think that's what created the space for us to be able to do that. I ain't look at it like, nigga, who are you?
Starting point is 01:29:43 Fuck you, how you know, what makes you think you know the better way to do it? We sat and, you know, again, we're mad in the middle no matter what it was. And the fact that we can disagree, I think that means everything. Because that means neither one of us is faking. And, you know, he can genuinely say, no, I don't like the ideal. I don't like this or that. And, you know, we find a way around.
Starting point is 01:30:03 Or like you just said, sometimes the shit, you do that one and I'll do this one, and the shit work. But in a lot of cases, you can't really get that. A lot of other people, you know, we all have experience it. You know, you got friends and family that don't fuck with each other.
Starting point is 01:30:17 And you're like, damn, why, you know, why you don't fuck with it? He can't tell you why. We can't ask, niggas. Okay. What did he do? He don't remember? He even going to, he didn't want to try that dick, right?
Starting point is 01:30:29 He don't like him. That ain't strong enough, guy. Right, that shit don't make sense. But that's what I'm saying. We never, even when we bump heads, we're on clash. Yeah. And that, you know, that from early on, that let me know that, you know, he was a genuine person. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:46 And then, like I said, we spent more and more time together. Like a real step, brother. Yeah. That's my real step, brother. Like, we can argue, but I say. the house, we're going to work be a nigga ass. Oh, yeah, definitely.
Starting point is 01:30:57 This ain't that. And I will probably inherit any beef he got. It is what it is. They don't got no beef. Yeah, ain't no food. Well, no, it's just, you know, it'll be on the other end. You know, they got beef for him
Starting point is 01:31:09 and he don't got beef with them. Yeah. But, you know, that's just life. That's giving that to you, no matter what you do. Right. Yeah. And for me, you know, people don't, you know,
Starting point is 01:31:20 when people say stuff about me, they say it in the comment section. I don't have no. They're not real people. Them bots. There are seventh graders, man. Them are white seventh graders at that. Now, that's what you guys are on your partner in the comment.
Starting point is 01:31:34 Like, you're going to respond. Yeah, you got to throw some hate in there. Yeah, definitely. Let you keep your partners on your toes. Why you put all that extra shit in the comments. I just don't go about it in the manner they go about it. Right. I think the confirmation for me with Craig was,
Starting point is 01:31:52 it was on a couple levels. One, I don't think they know his name, Craig. My name ain't Craig. Your name Craig. Your name Craig. Oh, everybody's name Craig.
Starting point is 01:32:01 Yeah. Oh, that's okay. Okay, okay, put me on game then, Craig? Yeah, see? You fell right in. Yeah, yeah. We're good then. So, it's him being unapologetic, like, overall.
Starting point is 01:32:14 Like, the same way you said, like, you really, you don't know where he had with it, and it's because he just kind of really don't get with him. Right. Right. And, like, when I was able to see, like, oh, this, that's really in general how you feel about everything and everybody. Yeah, you can't fake that level. Right, right.
Starting point is 01:32:32 So I was like, I'll fuck with that because I always said I can honor and respect somebody that's the same. Like, even if I don't like you, I can accept you being the same all the time. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. Right. Chaping. And, uh, early on, like, I remember him being, like, misunderstood.
Starting point is 01:32:49 And to me, I was, like, drawn to it because I felt like it was the same thing. Like, I'm tested gifted since I was a little kid. Like, I always, you know, I was told, like, you're the smartest person in the room. You need to find another room to get in. Because that's what come with it is people not understanding. Like I said, if I'm hearing him rap the first time, I was like, yeah, he out of here. Like, cold. But then it's, like, people that was trying to do business with him was kind of trying to change what he was doing.
Starting point is 01:33:17 I'm like, I don't make no fucking sense. I think it's good enough to fuck with but then you want to change it I went through that so it was kind of like you don't want to watch somebody make the same mistakes or bump the head in some regard
Starting point is 01:33:30 but also like I said along the way I saw that he wasn't listening the shit that nobody would say it and I was like that you would have never been happy if you did that well that's why I couldn't do it because it wasn't happy man it was shit they was asking me to do
Starting point is 01:33:44 I don't like well it ain't that I don't like because I won't do it I ain't going to do nothing that I can't proudly stand behind, even if it was a mistake. If I was walking and I slipped, I ain't seen the fucking ward. I slipped so big.
Starting point is 01:34:01 But, like, it was shit. They was asking me to do that just, I just couldn't rock with. Like, we went and did a fucking, I did a show in New York. They got me in the fucking strip club. They tried to, well, it wasn't a show. They tried to turn it into one. I'm in a strip club and they're playing a letter to my son. They're like, let's perform
Starting point is 01:34:19 I said, what the fuck how? Let it to my son That bitch is naked Let it to my son This shit don't even make sense They were like man We're gonna get a DJ
Starting point is 01:34:30 This been in a hundred times I'm like we're in the fucking strip This don't make any I already didn't want to be there But I'm like But that was the idea And what I got that I'm like man Y'all
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Starting point is 01:38:38 Listen to Vine on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. So, look, when they did this right, I have already been doing this shit for too long anyway. The nigga Fresh is great performing. We're not laughing at you dug it. I'm just saying.
Starting point is 01:38:54 Dougie Fresh ain't performing in the middle of East Memphis either. So when they hit me with that when they got digging for him. I'm like, man, I don't get it. No, they told me I'm supposed to do the, no, I say, hey, you say, oh, hey, oh. I said, nigga, what the fuck?
Starting point is 01:39:12 Hell. Look, I'm like, man, I'm from a different place. You can't do that. All right, so, look, so I'm supposed to sign off on them hiring Dougie Fresh. I wouldn't cooperate. Instead, I flew all of them to a show in, like, Little Rock. I said, because clearly y'all got a misconception. We get to Little Rock.
Starting point is 01:39:31 I'm performing all the music that I made before I signed. This is the like-mean shit. You know, that shit existed before I had dealt with them. I'm playing this shit, this shit, wall-to-wall. They're nervous because, you know, this is a different atmosphere. Everybody, it's water wall to wall in this bitch. Nobody got searched to come in this. Nobody got searched to come in this bitch.
Starting point is 01:39:52 So if we got a thousand guns, the crowd got six thousand. Everybody nervous and the fucking crowd knows shit, word for word. I didn't win in the crowd and performing everything. When the show over, you're like, man, that was different. I said, yeah, now you see, I do know what the fuck I'm doing. You're supposed to be trying to meet and compliment. You think I said, Doug it fresh. All right, after that.
Starting point is 01:40:13 They try to make you a performer, not knowing how you. you perform. Right. And they didn't take the time to see how you perform first. Exactly. Right. Then they turn around.
Starting point is 01:40:20 They hear dance, listen. And they start trying to do. Come on, Tripp. Let's do it one more time. Well, I said five. Steve. Five. See, damn.
Starting point is 01:40:26 Hey. Let it to my son. Let it do for something. Let it to me something. Come on. Well, look. Shout. Support.
Starting point is 01:40:36 Hey. Stop. You ain't. You ain't shit. But look. You got to perform that shit. Then they made another demand, right? They went and got, they didn't involve.
Starting point is 01:40:51 Oh. And, uh... I don't even know if you could tell this story. No, it ain't. Oh, like, pick this shit up. No, I just... But the Puffet, he suggested, all, everything he was doing was via email. We can sit and have a conversation and nothing transpires.
Starting point is 01:41:08 And as soon as I leave, I get to my hotel, let me get a fucking email with 19 people involved when only four of us was having the conversation. Man, puppy said I need to wear the leather vest I need to cut a Mohawk in my head I'm trying to tell you the day two and seven I didn't hear this story
Starting point is 01:41:27 So why they were suggesting I do this right This is right before I did some goddamn angry Look it was right before I did the double Xail cover right So while they're suggesting this I'm like man I'm not rocking with this Then we turn around and
Starting point is 01:41:42 we ended doing a double Xail shoot and two of a puffy artist was a part of it. Machine Gunn Kelly and French Montana. Right. Right. I don't know if they ended up wearing it if they both ended up wearing it on the cover. But both of them niggas head, leather vest,
Starting point is 01:41:59 with no shirt on and the chains. I think Machine Gunn Keller had the Mohawk. French didn't cut his hair into a Mohawk. But they had, it was like they gave me the fucking bad boy kit. They was like, you know, this is what you got out of work. Nick, if you over here, we're wearing leather vest than mohomes. Yeah, never vets and mohawks.
Starting point is 01:42:17 Because what you're doing is cool. Yeah, we're going to step in there. Man, when they suggested that... He don't even talk to him when he's family, he'd just be like... That made everything kind of go sour. And then later on, they wanted... They wanted me to let Stack Quote write for me. What?
Starting point is 01:42:36 Well, they thought Stack Quote was like the hardest nigga on the planet. And I think it cold, too, but not to the point where it was like, you know, he's going to teach you how to write songs. Like, no knock the stat quo, it is what it is. But I was like, where are the songs he wrote? If I'm not doing it right, show me the right ones that he did. And that shit never transpired. Then you stop hearing about stat quo.
Starting point is 01:43:01 And I'm like, okay, so I was just supposed to follow that blind. Man, you can't keep protecting these people. You need to say the name of this. Because don't know black people need to be caught up in this. Now with no leather vexies. Don't protect these motherfucket. Tuesday comes in. You know you get rid of me.
Starting point is 01:43:20 No, look, if you've been rocking with me, you know that's cool and Dre. They said every bit of see Cool and Dre couldn't give me to cooperate. Like Craig said, they made a lot of suggestions. I just stand firmly on saying, no, I'm not doing it. And that was the one that was the one that was the stepbrothers one. Yeah, he told me not to do stepbrothers one. LA and said it wouldn't work. We recorded the whole project in three studio sessions.
Starting point is 01:43:43 So it was a short amount of time And the project was done So we in LA I think we did two songs Always out there And got it mixed And And uh
Starting point is 01:43:53 Yeah that mohawk That wouldn't be here right now I didn't get to hecker How the fuck I'm gonna explain that to myself You gotta be your chef's son You know we got to take it Huh, what? Hell
Starting point is 01:44:10 Man y'all don't want LF anymore But that be the thing no, see. No man, trick. But them be the story that they got to be like, hell, no, right.
Starting point is 01:44:18 And do that. Man, what if I would need that? Man, the sweet thing, like, they told them, we got the tape done. We planned it.
Starting point is 01:44:25 When we in the studio mixing it, they were paying no attention to. Like, the entire first project that we went to home with. They just, it was just like an afterthought.
Starting point is 01:44:35 It was like, because niggas got agendas. They want you to work with their people. They want a bigger profit shit. Right. Really, at the end of day, like,
Starting point is 01:44:42 fuck was good. but what naturally works or organic and they told him don't do it. You know, and he said, all right, and then we dropped the same day. Like, he probably hung up the phone and then hit upload. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:44:57 and I'm like, yeah, that was you know what I'm saying? Because even in my situation, like, I ain't had a leverage that he did in that time. I got in them situations and probably like, listen for a little bit of more. Because I was, like I said, I was younger. I was more impression more. And I'm looking at
Starting point is 01:45:12 and what y'all doing is working so well that I really just want me. I'm thinking y'all know what y'all talking about. Right. And not saying they didn't, it just wasn't for me. You know what I'm saying? I was supposed to keep doing whatever the fuck got me to.
Starting point is 01:45:24 And that was my problem. Because initially I'm sitting and I'm thinking, you know, I'm going to soak it in. Y'all, you know, y'all got more experience than me. But at some point, I noticed, like, you know, y'all niggas is trying to put me
Starting point is 01:45:36 in the cookie cutter. Y'all ain't paying attention than what's going on. I'm like, you either fuck with me or you don't fuck with me. And you're trying to, like, look, Chip. Like, you bought a car and I'm trying to rebuild it.
Starting point is 01:45:46 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. It's not that we don't fuck with it. Right. You just need that. Just need that. What's the best? What's the best? You're going to get that damn mohawk.
Starting point is 01:45:58 We're trying to see if you fuck with us, you haven't given us the Mohawk yet. Right. Come on, man, you want to play hardball. Oh, true. It got real wild. Then we put the type out. And it was like, man,
Starting point is 01:46:10 it's amazing. Just like this. Yeah, I looked at my arm. Okay. I think at that point, and he also didn't give a fuck about that. No, that's shit. I mean, shit. So these are hell now.
Starting point is 01:46:22 You showed your card. I see what you're on. Yeah. And when it was, when you didn't know if it was work or not, you didn't believe in it because it wasn't your idea. And your ideas was all the goofy shit because it worked for so-and-so. And then when it did work, you ain't say, damn, you was right. I'm how you know, now? I'm going to have to lean more into your ideas.
Starting point is 01:46:45 No, you said, I knew I believed in it. We knew this was going to work. You're doing interviews and shit by how well it worked because y'all knew it was going to work. I'm like, damn, really, like I said earlier, you got to be who you said you are. And they ain't standing on it. It was a lot of weird shit.
Starting point is 01:46:59 And then I started peeping. I call, you know, I call people brother, brother man. And they started saying it. And I had my brothers with me. So they started telling us, you know, we're family and all that extra shit. We never bought into none of that shit. That's like, you know, that's like a stranger offering a kid some candy.
Starting point is 01:47:16 They taught us a long time we'll go strange with danger. So, you know, they're doing all the brother's brother's shit. And, like, it was night, like one day, we was just, niggas here. And then tomorrow now everybody's, you know, now we brother. Now y'all have adopted our shalon. They talk like us now. And Piff used to call them fooling gay. Oh, God.
Starting point is 01:47:35 And they, I don't think they ever done nothing that was actually gay. But Piff just. If I don't like you, him, like, he understood absolutely nothing about the business. He didn't care about what was supposed to happen. He just knew you ain't like it. He just knew I ain't fucked with him. So people would come. When did the shit go bad, though?
Starting point is 01:47:56 It started going bad immediately because. Oh, the rip. Yeah, yeah. Initially, it was just supposed to be making beats and I was supposed to reimburse them for the beats. It turned into something that it wasn't. They wanted to sign with cash money. And they wanted to sign with cash money. They was all the way up baby's ass.
Starting point is 01:48:22 The way baby treated them and the way they held, the regard they held them in didn't match. Either way, they wanted to be cash money. And I'm looking at it like, all right, from cash money, I got to compete with Nick and Minaj, Drake, Wayne, and the other 17,000 people that they got. Yeah. And I'm like, you know, they are already competing with each other themselves.
Starting point is 01:48:43 So I'm like, no, I don't think I like that idea. And while they're spending that idea, Jimmy Avine called me personally. Somebody, you know, he and... Hey, Tripp, it's Jimmy. Yeah, pretty much. But, you know, from there, I started with Jim Alvin, and he was eager to work it out no matter how he had to work it out. And I'm like, you know, this is, I get to, you know, at least in some fashion,
Starting point is 01:49:08 have a say in how this go. They was already cut in the fold, so I couldn't do nothing about that. But I sat with Jimmy, and Jimmy made sure, like, he was determined to not sign me as just an artist. But what most people, well, people wouldn't know it because no album came out. But I was actually in a joint venture. It was my label, Kool and Dre label, Interscope. But that only happened because I sat with Jimmy Alvin.
Starting point is 01:49:38 and he understood that, you know, wasn't a way to really maneuver out of the situation I was in. And Jimmy was like, all right, you know, I'm going to put enough money up. They ain't going to have no choice. What he taught me, I didn't know this until he told me, but Interscope and Cash Money are both under Universal, and Universal got a no-compete clause with their subsidiaries.
Starting point is 01:50:00 So when Jimmy put a number up, he knew that cash money wouldn't match. So since they wouldn't match, Cool and Dre had to, you know, It had to go with what makes sense monetarily. But even then, that was the beginning of me playing my own ball then. I knew none of this was in their favor because everything before that was, was in their favor and wasn't in mind. So to try to make shit work, they went and got, they were doing a lot of dumb shit that I don't know what they thought was going to happen.
Starting point is 01:50:33 That first thing they offered me was a Lamborghini and a necklace. and I'm sitting in the truck Hold up, just like that Yeah, in the truck I'm like Tripp, look at what you got You know, they told me They told me
Starting point is 01:50:47 Pick the Lamborghini you want Man, I don't know why I think like I think But I was staying with my mama In East Memphis And my mama got a She got a like Her driveway was
Starting point is 01:50:58 Was steep as fucking I can't drive it I mean Right so I'm like I can't park it In the driveway We don't got no garage But I parked that bitch
Starting point is 01:51:06 On the street Y'all gonna have me dead in the week. So I'm like, okay. I said, I can't park no fucking Lamborghini in East Memphis. I'm thinking they're going to get more realistic. And they said, well, where do you want you mentioned in L.A. or Miami? So I'm like, okay, when they hit me with that, I said, you do know.
Starting point is 01:51:25 What got me here was a letter to my son. I told you, I can't see my son. Do you really think moving me to L.A. or Miami is going to help me see my son? No, but the Lambo will. You'll get over there quick. When she finally does let you see them, you'll be able to get there fast. And once she sees you in this necklace.
Starting point is 01:51:51 Hey, hey, my guy, you're getting your family back. Yeah, but wait until she sees this fucking necklace. So what did you think turn it around once all that shit went, went sour what do you think turning around for you like career wise or you know what I'm saying to get out of that space until like you know more prosperous two things while I was in the middle of it but you knew more of my disgruntleness than most people did but while I was in the middle of it I had went to uh well I was I was I was uh involved they had me on a panel like a hip-hop panel on one of
Starting point is 01:52:34 BET college tour things on the panel they had what is it DJ Schm, what college park? It's nice something he was something else
Starting point is 01:52:46 I think was Smurf for it smirk Yeah, Merr, College Park. Right, well, College Park was on the panel and Rocco was on the panel. They had asked College Park something about something about Soldier Boy and how he managed to
Starting point is 01:53:00 really go in and make his own terms and college problem was like he had the leverage he's the person that they wanted him so he in real in real time he get to make the rules because it's you that's trying to court me so when he said that I'm like damn
Starting point is 01:53:17 that's really how you got to play it because I'm the commodity not them and then they asked Rocco a question to ask Rocco how do we how do we maintain relevance even though he's not a mainstream artist and Rocco said the way he maneuvered
Starting point is 01:53:34 you know in the music business when you meet the artist you don't meet the artist you meet his management the management is who chop it up with you the artist stay off in the background and whenever that term is over with you got a relationship with that manager you know he remember the fucking artist
Starting point is 01:53:52 Rocco was like for me I don't let my manager play that role I do that I meet the people myself So when he said that, that stuck with me. So after that fucking seminar, whatever that was called, I went back to LA and I purposefully met every person in the Interscope building. And I started growing relationships. I grew a relationship with a guy named, both of them passed,
Starting point is 01:54:19 a guy named Mel Carter, who also worked with a guy in them later on, and a guy named Mar Brown. And both of them hit me to a lot of stuff. shit that was, you know, a lot of shit I needed to learn. Mail is how I found out about to Doug your fresh shit. It wasn't, I wasn't supposed to know. But mail used to run with Wutane. And he was like, he understood where they're coming from. It's just premature. He was like, you know, they're not looking at the package. They think they know what's going to work. And they, you know, they sat down with it. And I could respect that because he ran with
Starting point is 01:54:55 Wu-Tang. And what I'm expecting him to do was be pro fucking Dougie Fresh. Be pro the whole New York idea. And he was against it as well. And then my relationship with Marr, later they had, later they did, you know, the drop list. The drop list, I don't know what it is now. But it used to be every September and December. So Mar hit me to the drop list. He said that they was discussing it in September in my name. came up and he made sure I wasn't on the list. So when he said to him like, damn, okay, I appreciate
Starting point is 01:55:31 it. It's a guy from Interscope I don't know where he's at now. We share our birthday so we stay in touch but I don't know where you're working. It's named Dun Clemens. This nigga used to wear it like what's the homer name in basketball? You used to wear the suits. Uh, uh, uh, Craig something, eh? He passed. It used to
Starting point is 01:55:47 be like a... Craig's Sega. That's how Don Clemens is and this niggas was dressed up on a regular fucking day during a nine to five he was fucking like he just left out of uh what dapper dan like he left every fucking day either way i'm sitting with him and he was like to he was over everything that involved money being spent on me i'm sitting with him and he was like no being dropped ain't the worst thing in the world and i'm like why fuck you call me in here to tell me that
Starting point is 01:56:16 it was like you know it's ways to maneuver around that he said you know i've watched you built the relationships you use those resources that you created you don't need to be tied in to do that. It's going to be tougher. He said, but look how you got here. So from that, I left that meeting and I called, you know, I called Marr later on. I told him, well, listen, next job list, make sure I'm on it.
Starting point is 01:56:41 He was confused. He was like, I don't know why the fuck you want that. Now, explaining him like Don Clemens explained it to me. I was like, I'm with it. I might not agree, but I got you. You said, next job list is in December. I didn't know it was December. I didn't know it was that fucking son.
Starting point is 01:56:55 They're like it's in December. Amar did whatever he had to do. Tomorrow called me, said, congratulations. You dropped. So, all right, what's the next steps? He was like, you know, they're going to get whatever together. He's going to let me know. After that, I owe so much fucking money, the Interscope.
Starting point is 01:57:15 I owe like a million-something dollars to Interscote. So when you get dropped, you didn't see your receipt. Yeah, you got to pay, you got to recoup it anyway. I ain't put no album out. So there was no product to recoup it. So I got to recoup it. I just so happened, I had peaked all the plays cool and Dre was on. Them niggas was charging me to be at the studio.
Starting point is 01:57:37 They'd fly me in and I'm waiting for my room and shit. Somebody opposed to be taking care of it. So, you know, I got to come into the studio first, which was weird. I'm like, all right, whatever. You know, I'm chilling. We're waiting. And one day, like one of the tricks they was doing, they wouldn't hire people. They were only hire interns.
Starting point is 01:57:53 Then when that intern, turn them out, hire new interns. This particular intern don't know that you ain't supposed to bring the invoice to me. Every other artist, you know, he bring the invoice, Fat Joe sign, Buster Rhym sign, he didn't know, he brought it to me the sign. I'm like, what the fuck is this? I read. They had charged me like three grand for being in the studio. I'm not in the control room.
Starting point is 01:58:16 I'm in, like, in the fucking lobby. I've been sitting here for a fucking 11 hours waiting on a hotel key. All right, so when I peeped that, I said I ain't recording with y'all no more you know I I caught on to it so what I did I went back home I continued recording in my own studio but I had learned
Starting point is 01:58:34 you know this shit is itemized and so I ain't perfect I got surveillance cameras and shit so it's perfect I'm always in the studio because now I see you can charge me just for being there right I well I don't know it last night but
Starting point is 01:58:47 the accountant for Iniscoe her name was Sarah something she called me told me how old X amount of dollars I'm like, I, well, I got to send, right, I did that next, but I told I got to send my invoice because, you know, I've been recording the shit, everything I've done, I paid for myself. Every video you saw from me came from me. So when I did that, they basically was like, well, well,
Starting point is 01:59:12 then the audit came shortly after that. When we got the audit, they, you know, they seen everything we spent money on. and my studio surveillance footage is what helped my case because you know I was flying private I was flying first class I was going from L.A. to Miami and back to Miami I mean back to L.A. from Miami I was standing condos and shit
Starting point is 01:59:36 but while I was doing all of that I was really sitting in my studio all none of your dates match up because all of the dates you're saying I was flying and doing all this shit here's footage I'm in my studio with my little brother Bink record me. I can't be in two places at once.
Starting point is 01:59:53 So they looked at it. They're like, well, you know, fuck it. It wasn't really. They ain't making enough money from me for it to matter. So like, all right, well, fuck it. We just want to call it even. She told me, I counseled what they owe me for studio time. And they'll counsel what I owe to them. So when I got out of it, I was free and clear. I told them send me termination paperwork.
Starting point is 02:00:15 They sent it to me, Koolandray, didn't know I had it. So them niggis told me that since, I got dropped from Interscope, that now I'm an epidemic artist. I'm their artist now. Back to them. Right. That's what they said. I'm like, you know, I ain't the smartest nigga in the world.
Starting point is 02:00:32 But, you know, I can read people that say whatever agreements we signed prior to this is void. So I got the lawyers in it. Once they got everything signed and sealed, I was like, man, you know, I'm good. I'm going to do this shit on my own. And then in the midst of all this happening, I'm watching Craig with the, trash bag game and I think yeah the trashback gang in Grant Hart merch like he was doing shit that I hadn't thought of I ain't know that was even part of this yet so I'm watching that then I'm watching how he was maneuvering and doing it independently so from that I'm like
Starting point is 02:01:09 okay I kind of got the blueprint sitting in front of me I don't really got a start from scratch trying to figure it out again I didn't just say hey Chris when you put the that tape out where you, how do that? How do you get that shit on Apple and all that shit? He broke it down. He told you, like, hey, man, I don't charge niggas 3,000 to be in the studio? Right. I'm charging niggins to be in the studio.
Starting point is 02:01:32 That's how I did. That's what I'm saying. From that, that was no, no, I gathered the tools I needed to be able to move afterwards, you know, from, like I said, from the relationship. So our relationship was one I had going into that situation. And then, you know, the Marr, the Mel, and Don Clemens, and shit, and Sauer was just fed up. She said, oh, fuck this. We ain't, I'm not, I'm not going through this shit. Well, a nigga named Don and dressed like Craig got you the gun.
Starting point is 02:02:04 Yeah, and we share a birthday. So, you know, we reach out every, uh, every August 20 and tell each other every birthday. He wanted people he got like super inspiring shit to say. So he'd be like, you know, uh, the sun's shining on. you king and be prosperous. You know, hey, I appreciate it because, you know, like I said, I probably wouldn't. So they were doing a lot of low-down shit
Starting point is 02:02:30 charging you for the studio and all this. Oh, man, I got long-listed. Man, that's the guy. Somebody likely did it to them. Man, listen. I learned a lot of tricky shit from Cool and Dre. And instead of going and doing it again, I just learned how to look for it.
Starting point is 02:02:48 Yeah. Letter to my son, although I'm grateful for Seelow being on it, Ciloh ended up on it because I believe it in a united front, even though we ain't supposed to know that. So you go in the building pushing for something. I ain't going to go in there and push for the same thing or go against them. Because they don't need for that. We're a united front.
Starting point is 02:03:09 We're supposed to look like we're on the same team. I didn't know that them niggas was going in there playing their other artist music and shit when they were supposed to be presenting my shit to Anoscope, Don Clemens and Marr Brown. Me having relationships is how I found these things out. There's another guy named Garnett.
Starting point is 02:03:26 He was over everything that go to radio. I went one day, and Garnett's like, bro, when are we going to hear some music? I got 70 songs. The fuck of you, cool, and Drex said they just came up. He said, yeah, but they keep, I ain't going to put out, I ain't going to throw under the bus. They're like, yeah, but you came here playing songs and so shit.
Starting point is 02:03:41 We ain't saying, huh? We don't want to hear that? I'm like, huh? He's like, you know, Jimmy fared up. He's thinking of this shit. Every time they come, they didn't present him with what he invested in. They're trying to get more money for something else.
Starting point is 02:03:53 So I find this out, I'm like, okay. They say in order for us to get letter to my son added to radio, Jimmy Iveen requested or insist that it has a hook on. That's the only way he's going to push your radio. Now, again, it's the United...
Starting point is 02:04:10 Well, I'm... No, I believe in a United Front. So I ain't talked to Jimmy about this. And I ain't about, you know, this is one I could still call him. Surely after I couldn't call, he had changed this number faster than a bitch. But either way, when they tell me, this, I'm trying to cooperate. I don't know this game. I'm learning. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:04:28 So they say that. They like some, you know, we got to get a hook. Long story short, we landed on Cilow doing the hook. Cilow charged me a hundred to do the hook, a hundred to do the video, and wanted another hundred to ever perform it. And I, you know, I don't know Ciloh. So I ain't feel no way. He ain't like Craig said,
Starting point is 02:04:47 but I'm for the tax you. It's a complete fucking stranger. And he's a legend. So, you know, I am well, just in case you have a cop, and say, hey, nigga, I need you to bar. Yes, honey. I'm on the way.
Starting point is 02:04:57 But, so with that, I find out later, Jimmy never said that. That was their way of taking ownership or the record. They also went in so they could claim publishing. They put a sound,
Starting point is 02:05:10 they put a sound in the song that no one can identify. The only way you hear that sound is if you break the stems down, mute everything, then you hear this one sound they added. They added it through the whole beat, and now they get a portion of the publishing because they co-produced it. If, you know, one nigga you can call that's going to tell you everything about Cool and Dre, I found this out after we had to clear everything for less than my son.
Starting point is 02:05:35 These things are not cool at all. I'm sure everybody was for me with the runners. Yeah. The tag that was on all that shit. that was coming out of Miami right then. Street Runner originally made that beat. They had already fucked him over for the beat prior to, which is crazy. It was Fat Joe beat.
Starting point is 02:05:56 I didn't know this. So in order for Interscope to own letter to my son, they got to buy the beat. Except I don't own it Fat Joe and whoever owned it. Turns out, Street Runner made it. And even when he got it to Fat Joe Cool and Dray him did some weird shit and fucked him over on it. So streetrunner is snapping on me on the phone. And he was like, man, don't fuck with them niggas, y'all of them niggas, they this, they did. And I'm like, I just called trying to clear the beat.
Starting point is 02:06:24 I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. I hadn't experienced all the shit yet. So this is early. He was telling me, don't trust them things. I'm all right, so we figure out a way to get streetrunner paid. I signed off to get them paid. Them niggas went out of the sound and cut his check again, man. I said, damn.
Starting point is 02:06:42 I said, man, y'all niggas must got some real. real beef. Them nays went out their way to make sure you didn't get out of the money. Damn. But like I said, it was a lot of shit
Starting point is 02:06:50 that did that taught me a lot of shit about the music industry. That's great. One of the main expenses and this is why I could be free and clear.
Starting point is 02:07:01 They spent my recording budget on game album. Well, they did to have us both in the same studio. I'm in C and game is in A. I ain't even in B. I'm in C.
Starting point is 02:07:13 And gamers in, Hey, Gamer's recording his eye. I don't know nothing about none of this. I ain't know this until I got the audit. And I'm reading the audit. And I'm reading it and I'm being charged for being in the studio twice at one time. I'm like, how? How was I in C&A?
Starting point is 02:07:29 I'm like, what the fuck? So when we started backtracking, I'm like, all, you know, you look at the dates and shit. I'm all right, that's when I flew out of L.A. But I was in C. I never said, dang. Gang was in A. I remember this because when I got there, they wanted me to meet them. I went in 8 of me game
Starting point is 02:07:46 I'm like that Right I was in an instant You didn't he said that didn't you It's a cold game man I mean You know This is the closest
Starting point is 02:07:55 Bro gonna get to therapy They gotta just let them rock But But also it's a cautionary To you know How cutthroat Like the music
Starting point is 02:08:07 Business or industry Or just high stakes period We're talking Millions of dollars You know what I'm saying Like, without an album dropping, you got a million plus tab. You know what I'm saying? You know what I didn't even seen half the paper.
Starting point is 02:08:20 But y'all don't get so beautifully independently, though. I think that's why I don't. I think we made, we experienced so much before. Like, that's the backstory. That's the origins of it. Because, like I said, even up to that point, I ain't seen that, but I seen some cold shit myself. You know what I'm saying? It kind of happened.
Starting point is 02:08:36 Like, man, I'm cool. Like, I'm going to take the long way to get the, because also by the time I've seen so many people file out that I thought was like on. It's superstars. And I'm like, damn, you ain't got nothing. You know what I'm saying? When it's that's over. That shit hurt. That's shit hurt. I'm sad for me. So I'm like, now,
Starting point is 02:08:54 like, so for me, it was like, let me figure out how to have some staying power. How can I, you know, sustain like a shelf life with this shit. And it was also like this shit. I'm going to just go for what I know. I'm going to try some, I'm going to try some new shit. Yeah. And so
Starting point is 02:09:10 like I said, that the overlap, because When he came out of that, like he said, now I'm trial and error my way up to really hustling this shit. We started in 11 by 13 when we got ready to do Stepbrothers 2. I was out of the deal by then. He was out of the deal. I charted on Billboard three times, like myself. Right. Not a soul.
Starting point is 02:09:31 Like, nobody couldn't tell me shit about how to do it, when to do it. And it ain't have to make sense of them. I'm sitting in meetings with them labels and they're scratching their head. Like, so who's doing this? like you said, a rocker. Like me, I called them or, you know, I went out there. I paid, like, damn, this all you. And it's also like, they're scratching our shit.
Starting point is 02:09:51 They got to read your birth. Yeah, we can't, you know what I'm saying? We can't bambooz with this nigga. Right. And it's like, so when we came around and doing that one, it's like figuring out, man, there's more ways to go about it. Because, like, I overachieve for myself by that time. It's awesome.
Starting point is 02:10:06 Like, fuck it. I'm just, I'm going out of the way. Yeah. And from there, that's why I was, I was, trying to pivot and get to like what was the next step or how to even even during that time we still ran into shit you know what i'm saying fuck shit and business shit to get tricky but it's like what you're going to learn from you know what you're going to take with it to do it better and do it bigger than next go run you know what i'm saying and it's it's even than now like i feel like
Starting point is 02:10:34 every time like i'm super excited about this new project because i still feel like we're going up Going up. What date? What date? May 9. May 9. May 9. Tars. Man, y'all drop it for the Tarsie! Listen, man, they drop it before the Tarsi! Yeah. May 2nd, niggas. They're dropping it for the Tartrecy.
Starting point is 02:10:53 What is May 2nd? My birthday. Oh, okay. Y'all dropping it in the perfect season, my boy. Yeah. We turned, dude. Then drop the social media, let them know where they can keep up and find you and follow. You get the tour dates and all that. Me, man, at Mr. Dunn Trip on all that shit.
Starting point is 02:11:08 And if it's not, it's not, it's just not there. It's the seventh grade, I'll tell you. Start Lido Grinhard on Instagram, Lido 615 on X, uh, grindhard.com. You can get to everything else. YouTube, Groundhart TV, and, uh, shit, we're going to be together all the time. Right, yeah. I got to remind you, D.C. going to direct one of the songs. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:11:36 Yeah, and produced it. I'm gonna put it together. He ain't produced. All right, listen, you ain't got to worry about it. This shit, this shit is always one on a legit. I would. No cap. Look here, man.
Starting point is 02:11:47 Y'all know exactly where we're at. We can't let y'all leave because we brought y'all some... Got some shit, man. Got some shit for y'all. Got some shit, man. Don't know where we at, man. Don't let this be the last time. You stop through the 85th time show.
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