The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - ESTELLE in the Trap | 85 South Show Podcast

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

British sensation ESTELLE sits down with Karlous, Clayton and DC in the trap for another classic conversation on the latest episode of the 85 SOUTH SHOW! || 85 SOUTH App: www.channeleightyfive.com || Twitter/IG: @85SouthShow || Our Website: www.85southshow.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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your favorite shows. You were from the island, your people? Yep. Offen up. Well, Offer Nader, Trinidad. Okay. That's what I. They met in London, and here I am. Yeah. That's what I'm. That's what's up. That's what's up. How long you've been over here?

This would be the 17th year. Oh, you're killed. You're good. Well, we're acting like, they ain't been over here, dog. You're good. You're black hair. Like, you're from Cameron Road, man. This one over there.

He didn't look like Southside, dick. They were from Clay Calf. You from a lot of two? No, Chicago. Chicago. Yeah. He looked. He's a bad film.

He had them always fucked up. What was the first thing you fell in love with when you got? What was the first thing? out here. Oh, that's tough. Oh. Because y'all watched those videos where it was like, British people trapped pop ass for the first time.

Oh, my goodness. That shit is so funny. It's hilarious. It's funny to me. My little cousin, I'll tell you, I'll tell you. But my old cousin went to Chick-fil-A when he came here and then did a whole like, Go to Chick-fil-A in London. Like, you've had Chick-fil-A.

Stop. Anyhow, let me think. I went to New York first. First. Okay. And you know they had, um, it's like, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sylvia's and all that type of place, yeah.

Like, okay, this is home. Yeah. Five to two, thank you. I'm about to say, so, do you see the comparison? Like, I mean, this? When we travel, we tap in, so it's just be like. Yeah, we've been to Nando's. You know what I mean?

Yeah, Nando, any time long, yeah. We know Nando. I ain't been. In Nando, I ain't going to add, like I've been in that old. It's a chicken place. It's a chicken place. It's like an African-style, South African grilled chicken.

And then they got all these little sauces that's hot. They're real hot. But, yeah. But they still gives it to all type of shit in them off of it, yeah. It's a good time. All right. That's for the most. That's crazy.

It's like everybody loves spicy food. You don't like it? I do. When you get old, you got asked some refloat. I don't know. I don't know about time for all that. I don't know about time. You get me up like this at 4 in the morning.

Doing this. There ain't nothing like that wake up. You got to spit it out. You got to spit it out. You're getting up out your sleep. That's just sitting in my breath. It was sitting there. It never went out.

Nigger burp and farted in his throat. Oh, my God. Tears is rolling down. There's always a lot of back and forth with, but there's always a lot of back and forth with the Americans in the Black Brits now. A lot of discourse. We rock with y'all. We want y'all to know that. Sometimes, you know, motherfuckoldy might just say some out-of-pocket shit, but the most far, we, yeah.

It's the stigma of Americans like we don't want to know, or we don't know. You see what I'm saying? Like, anybody that's African that stays in another country or stays anywhere else. They're just like, you're from London. Yeah. Like, so you're dealing with a whole other systematic, whatever oppression that's going on in London that we don't even know anything about. And that's the part. I would say to people like, look, you can find a point of reference.

It's the same shit, different currency. Right. It's the same shit, different currency. Right. You just deal with it, too. But people come here and say wild shit. People go there and say wild shit. Yes.

It's just not. See, this the land of the free of. We say wild shit. Really? We say all type of wild shit. You know what? Nick ain't from Florida. He didn't do a shit.

He didn't be doing shit. He didn't be doing shit. Maybe want everything to be significant. What's the meeting behind the... Man, oh, man. That's the most brave, digger. Oh, man. You know you had to have hair a lot.

The pandemic happened, I never got to act. Yeah. I didn't know I was about here. Oh, man. Oh, for real, for real. We just be doing shit. But I think we're culturally, like, grabbing, taking and finding our way back. You know what I'm saying?

Because it's, I think the Internet has helped us. And there's a lot of, even y'all coming over here, like, enlighten us and putting us up on games. That's what I was just about to add. Like, tell us some shit we need to know. Right. We might be overlooking some shit. My thing is always travel. I'm like, look, I came here when I was 27.

And I've traveled Literally travel the world Partly because of music But also I'm inquisive Right I'm like to move around When I move around But the more I travel

The more I'm just like Everything is literally the fucking same You go to Korea And fry and fried chicken Just like here Like in London Just made like how we make it And my mom makes it

Like how much Dad's that family make it It's just That was just part of the world You reside in That was deep The spices you had there Is what you put in

Yeah that shit Were good everywhere Right Like the shit was good where it came from. So good, the motherfucker was like, hey, man. We need to do that. Hey, man.

Meat has a grill in that shit. Put that shit in the shit called oil. Are you boiling the meat? Why the fucking you're boiling the meat? Put the oil in the pot. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Put the oil in the pot. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

We knew about that, too. That's where it came from, for real, for real. Oh, yeah. No, y'all, yeah. For real, for real. It's like, so, so you said, I didn't heard you said you got him 26. Like, first of all. there was a life you was already living

when you stepped into America when you saw all the lights and you saw everything moving like what was your first week like so I was staying with I remember I told you all the specifics I stayed with my friends

at her friend's house and I stayed at the top of like my home girl's friend's house at the top of her place and like a white lady she lived in Chelsea I was me black and

what's like New York. New York. Okay. We're in New York. Chelsea Market. Yeah. Down the street from Chelsea Market.

Okay. I don't have a frame of reference of what's where. I know if I'm in Manhattan. You were the money at? Yeah. You know that. You came to the rice back. But it didn't smell like Pete.

They're going to get back. Wow. Yeah, it's still. Well. I don't know. New York smoke. It's just a smell. It's sitting on top of a soul.

They know that. New York smells like New York. It's a little. It's what it is. It's what it is. You know, it's part of the charm in New York. I'll stay there for a while, and then I moved to Wall Street. Didn't know where I was again, but just knew it was quiet and dark.

And I moved to Brooklyn. Okay. And I stayed pretty much for the entire time I was in New York. Okay. I was out on the road, and then I'd be back. Mm-hmm. Okay. right

okay so what you're doing music at that time so you had anything going on musically when you came so you had some so they came with a stand okay okay

yeah okay oh yeah they were trying they were trying to call your bluff I mean, well, look Come out here if you want to Oh shit I'll leave I'll be here

But it makes sense I had my deal in London And essentially reached the end of that rope Okay And they weren't trying to do anything So I'm with John Legend

And he was like Who sign you here And I was cool I took like three years To get that done Shit was A lot I was recording myself

I was flying back and forth I had my house A lot going on So by the time I signed my deal I realized I had to kind of to be in front of their faces to make things move. Because I mean, if I'm the home and I'm sorry

to my whole story. Okay. Okay. Just the above you want. Just the back. You mean? Yeah. I'm sorry about that. No, you're good. Anybody by my key? Oh. Oh, the whole mic? The whole thing?

Okay. Oh, okay. I'm coming here, man. See, that shit is so fresh right there. Okay, okay. We really do. Got really? Okay.

I feel you're doing like. Right. Oh, you good. Oh, so. It really be some shit. She's leaving out. She's leaving out. So we're going to run it back when you got here.

She's like, yeah, I stayed on top of the white lady. He's over there like, man, she ain't even tell him it's been out. He was not a fan out. Tell him about the aquarium. Yeah. Tell us all that good shit. Sold everything. Move to America.

Made a man on my mom. My face. You know what I'm talking about? Fuck, my asshole. Thank you. Who's the asshole? I'm the asshole. I'm the asshole.

You came here. You brought your bridge. This is all in. Okay. We got my blood of podcast. Oh, y'all. Crazy is full. What the hell?

What the hell? Hell no. Leave it. We need the ambion. What's the hope y'all at? All right. Oh man. Oh man.

You all there. All right. These he must have gave you. He must have gave you these little thin-ass pants. D.C. gave you these things. Hey, bro. Don't get me, but I've been throwing out on my pan like that away. Listen, I'm in the mirror like, well, I get thick.

I get a lot of me. Don't you do that? I didn't know I hate it. I don't get my fucking. You know what. I didn't have to go ahead. I didn't have to go ahead. I ain't know how about it.

Hey, boy. That letting you know what we eat, boy. I thought I was the shit on my life. Because I was trying, I don't know why I was getting 28. I'm like, why was I even getting a waste 20? You need a 30. I'm a 301 for real. Oh, that's, yeah.

I'm 28, I'm double. I'm trying not to wear a belt. You know, you know when I want to break sweat, man? Yeah. I don't know why y'all ain't telling me to take them. We did. You didn't listen. You said, this is my swag.

I don't know what. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know they was on me that tight. Just scoot it back a little bit. Oh, I'm so glad that there ain't none of them clip like viral or nothing. Oh, my. I had a leg.

man, bro. Hey, we're going to make the clip Govaro with D.C. with the leg. Make it a series, Joe. I'm like, what the and I was in Oakland, too. They even, they ain't even say that.

Stretch panes with the angles out. He ain't in the tail. The angle, I'm talking about, cut up. Oh, cut up. Give me a sound check. I don't know. I went to the story and said,

Why y'all selling me? Let me hear you. Turn these out of here. One, two, three, four, five. Twelve and two and a hundred. Ooh. Twelve and two and a hundred, baby. Selling pow.

You know what you start doing? I need a beat machine. You need a beat machine. You need a beat machine. Jeth and K. I'm like, you know what? J-O. Yeah,

I'm playing J-O Hey, man Welcome back to 85 Self-Shir Hey, Mike's the Justin Oh, we got a long-a-waited guest Come on, man

In the house with us today This lady here makes beautiful music Come on, man She's a cultural icon And she's from Crossed that wall Cross the pond.

Crossed the pond. Crossed the pond. And she's in here with us today, isn't it? Who is it? We have none other. Who? Let's go. Yay.

You all. With the African American American voice. Yeah. How are you doing? We had to tell you that song. That song made us all feel good. You were shouting out us.

And we didn't get shot at us. That was when all our big singles was telling you how terrible it made me feel like we were in a long-distance relationship Didn't nobody want to buy the ticket first Wow I started looking for a little later with an exit I was telling for anything I think I did my little girl she's going to come over here Blood E Christi yeah she did me what is that And it was they didn't have your old I thought oh blah everyone stopped What the hell?

It's terrible. That's terrible? This is wild. What? This is terrible. Blotty? No, we don't see. Y'all don't say bloody.

We say bloody. Y'all say bloody? You say bloody? Why someone be like bloody? Listen, bro, bro. That's right. Listen, bro. It's rough.

It's rough. It's rough. A. So bloody. There you go. Where do the blood you come from? Brof. There you go.

There you go. Yeah. I can't believe you do that this. This goes off the rails. I make bad pee, bro. So, is this another part of London that say bloody? All right, so, I'll explain it like this. New Orleans has an accent.

Of course. Georgia has an accent. Of course. Depending on what part of Georgia you come from. Okay. The accent gets more severe or gets less. Of course. Right, so that's exactly what it's like.

I'm from West London. I don't, North London to speak different to South London and speak it. Yeah, you got their own twang. Yeah, right. You got the older area. That accent is there, yeah, the old things. You're from the west? He's from the west side.

I'm from the west side. West side, west side, west of the U.K. and the west side of the U.K. West side of the London. Yeah, West London. The U.K. is, I feel like that's everything. That's everything. Okay. That would be closer to Ireland, Wales.

London is not in the UK. No, it is. London is in the UK. It's in Great Britain in the UK. It's in the UK. No, because you You get confusing, bro Because London is England

too Everything is so big You're thinking This is his own country So London's a city Inside of England The country And this is people

In the UK Great Britain The UK's the whole Maybe the continent So what's that Scotland and Scotland and Ireland So Paris is in the UK

Paris is not Paris is in France It's in France That's what cost The fund Even more That's what it We don't know

shit. Yeah, this is, you know, I don't really go. I don't get up to the European his hat. You know, I was talking about this shit right before much. It just all ran together. Just, we were hungry.

But we spread out over here. I'm trying to. Yeah, y'all Europe that. Like, y'all have a lot of countries close together. Yeah, we did. You see where we got to go to another country. Just in the country, we got to.

Well, to be, to be fair, though, like, look, it's all, it's all just like masses of land, like. So which one the biggest? Probably Asia Like that's the biggest continent No I'm talking about over there with child

Oh London, London, London, okay Like Cali like Cali is like To the outside world They don't know California like six states Yeah, well no six different cities In the state of California I'm gonna fight you You know what I'm saying like how big is

I won't know how big is like yeah Yeah yeah yeah it's big London is the city inside of England the country which is quite big which is almost like the bottom off to the right is if I'm getting this right is to the left is Wales and it gets to the top is

Scotland and in the middle is like Northern England Poland is in a whole other city That's about Norway Yeah it's a whole other country It's a whole other country It's weird in New York In the middle of all this

You ain't gonna say shit about New Zealand So, can you drive to Sweden from right there? Okay, so. West guy. From here, he probably, yeah. Why ain't nobody saying shit about Denmark yet? No, Manchester. Go to move.

Madagia. Why are you about this? How do we get there? So we're going to discuss the whole Nova Scotia. All right. Scandinavian? Nothing? All right.

I don't know that. So nobody want to bring up Belarus right now. So geography? What about him for them? Amsterdam. We can smoke weed. Pounds on pounds. How did we get here, guys? How do we get here? It's a geography, let.

I knew. I knew. I knew. I want you to know that I knew. I knew. I was a rapper. I didn't. I ain't want to lie to you. You hit me. Oh, yeah, we do got. We're supposed to be talking about how she was a rapper and sold everything and all that. That's what got left out. That's hell. Estelle. What was the rap name? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't, you didn't say it a rapper.

I did. Shit, be quiet. Why do you know this? It's E-S-T-E-L. I did do that. E to the end. I'm trying to play me like rickety rhaps kind of out. E-to-the, S-to-da, T-T-A.

All right, now, all right, look. The only thing I did that was, look, was I did like an apostrophe between the S and the L. Like, it's her. Because French and Ink, like, trying to be a small rapper. And then everyone just kept confusing now. I was just like, yeah, it's the style. We're just going to call that. Well, you dope, though?

You was a dope, brother? I mean, I felt like I was good. Yeah, I had records out, Top 20. He did this. On top of the show. Oh, you guys do that. Don't let, hey. They know.

I was in America who think they can rap. They ain't never got to the radio. They ain't put their shit on SoundCloud or none of that. I have a record. They didn't top nothing. Now, I had Records out with awards on my very first album, the 18th day. And the first album. Yeah, I got to find it.

It's the song called 9080. I can never tell people I'm not my age because I have a whole record called 90-80 year that God made me. And it is, it did its thing. This is why it's kind of why I'm here. Like, you know, like it's one of the ones that John and them heard and loved when I met them. And they were like, you know, she's really doing it.

Taking on. We're crazy. We've been going for a while. 17 years? In the U.S. I've been doing this since I was 17. Yeah. Yeah.

So was it a feeling of, I think you kind of said, I just want to make sure. Was it a feeling of I did all I could do here? Yeah, it was. I didn't hit the charts. I did. Like, this is my ceiling. Let me go ahead. It really was.

I speak on it. Like, what is the ceiling in London look like when you're saying, all right, I got to go to another country to succeed here? All right. So the short version, the long version of my story is a fathered as a rapper, worked in a record shop, did every single thing you could possibly. to be think of to like know how to be an independent artist right worked in a video company

that I had to make music videos worked in a record store learn about vinyl how to sell your vinyl and what what so I had my own label put out all my mixtapes sold 5,000 myself in a month

went back to went to the labels first and said hey I'm an artist I got these demos they were like that's cute and I was like cool so I went and sold it did my thing came back with some numbers

and they were like, well, tell me more, right? Caught the eye of another A&R who was like, I'm doing a deal. When you sign you as my first artist, went back to the same label. I was like, uh-uh, uh-uh, and they ended up signing me. So, my own label, buy this label, let's do the deal. Did the deal. Before I went, and I don't know if this is a story that people might know, before I went and signed, I was recording all the time.

I would just put out my own money and go get my things done. I went to America a few times. I came to L.A. a few times, and I were recorded, like, corrupt, and a bunch of, like, O.Gs, James DeBarge and things like that. Go back home. I was getting it done. The second or third time I came back out

to record, I bump into Kanye and John. It's maybe like 2002. And what, Dr. Kanye, and told him I want to meet John because I heard John on his mixtapes. So John, I end up going to the studio. They signed. I mean, it was a lot of prayer in that entire period. I'm writing a book about it, and I'm short, doing the short, right?

Met John. I asked him to be on a record that I had written called Hey Girl. It was on my first album that I took back in this label, when it's the sign, right? They were like, after this record comes out, my first two singles, three and 98, way above what they thought it was going to do. I say to them, so John's like, I'll work with you on the next album. I said, cool. take it to the label like John's gonna welcome me

at this point John is like Grammy Award went in get lifted he's taking me on the road with him they know this is a team like we're working

this John Legend by the way this is right John Jim so but he's he's working

like he's going to green light but he's on the green light okay he's on the green light but he's really co-signing

everything as far as the UK and taking me on the road and no American artists or big artists who's done that

for an artist that was still still building. So I take the music here and I'm like, I started this new album, John Ler just don't help me, does that produce it? And the A&R says to me, who? And I said, let me go.

And I said, let me go. Let me go, please. I just, I got to go. Because you don't know what the book now. You got to stop everything. Who? Pretty much. He literally said, I got union

check right here. She thinks John Lennon is going to help her She said John Lennon, right? John Lennon. Oh, but John Lennon. No, John Lennon. Oh, my goodness. She thinks she doesn't know.

She wants to be a female. She doesn't know. He's not here. It's a wild. So. This is working with John Lennon. Focus on the site. That's crazy.

But you knew was that. That's, yeah. Yeah, I was like, you guys don't get it. I have to go. So they didn't have a problem with then you go? Well, they did. They took three years to figure that deal out. Yeah, they did.

When we decided, when John was like, pretty much. Keep her. Keep her. Don't let her go. Don't let her go. Keep them talking. It's going to be a surprise. Keep them talking.

It really was. It took a bunch of prayers and a good lawyer at me sitting on his, like, on his phone every day, like, what do we hear back? You know, and continuing to record. And then, like, one night came and like, yeah, coming tomorrow and sign the deal. I was like, okay. And pretty much maybe like six months or four months after that, I moved. I sold all my bits at the house, sold all my shoes, all my thing. Because I feel like this, if you can get it one time, you can get it again.

You definitely can't. So I needed money. I was really working off my own steam, making sure that I could record and keep it going. And it took three years. So in between my, the last major hit, maybe 2004 in the UK, 2006, 7 was when I moved. And it was just like, there was not another check coming in. It was me doing shows, trying to, and it was a while time. So sold all my shit.

Left came over here and started again. It went great. And worked my ass off. Yeah. Yeah, I've been working ever since. Yeah. Beautiful. That's beautiful.

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Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, you came in with the Kanye Coastline. And the journal legend. The journal legend, yeah. But they seem me working. From the UK. That's how you're from.

You knew. You was like, I know I can pop because I pop up from. And that's a big thing, I think, in anything, making it. You got to make it wherever you're from or at least be able to rock this before you go trying to take something else. So you kind of have some confidence. How would that connect it? Like, even though you're popping in the UK, how was you able to come on here and make those connection with, with Kanye and John

Well, as they sign me Well, again, I know them From when I was over there So we were friends And we were cool And they understood From John And when I was in London

Oh, because they was coming They was coming over there touring all the time John were taking in the road with him And you was on the radio there Because they need artists From the country So tap in

Okay But also it's a work ethic thing I think You know I wasn't going to just hang out with him Right right I was like Come on

Right Like the bees with me I got some bars Like you didn't go in there with the mindset of saying like I'm popping here And I know you just need me so I'm just going to go on the road But not knowing I ain't going to never make that connection when I go to America No, we're all fans of music too You go, I look at it like that I'm a big fan of music

If you're doing great music and the thing sounds good I want to be involved you know especially if you want me to be involved I'm going to be involved It was like a kinship, there was like a thing he would be like How do you get these melodies and I'd be like But you say the words so well So we would study each other And I think that was like a great musical thing at the time

So you say you started out rapping though When did you like kind of transition to singing Or did you always throw the melodies in the music? I sang all the time Half my first album is singing and rapping The first song people heard from me And I think how became known on the scene out there Was from rapping

Because it was easier to do open mic rapping Than do open mic singing good Everyone should sing right Everyone was like oh gosh She's really going to pause. I was like, yes, I do. Yeah. When did you feel like you were gaining some momentum in America?

Because that's a, you know, like, you come from another country, and you go somewhere, and it's already a tough crowd. And now it's, when did you start to feel like, okay, now it's working out? Like, I'm getting somewhere with this. And this is going to sound crazy. It wasn't with American boy, right? It wasn't? No, it was for thank you.

Yeah, it was with thank you. When I would go out, I went out on the road to promote thank you, and I would do all of the different spaces and all the different venues and all the venues that I missed the first go around and they would be singing album cuts

for me and then they would be into thank you so hard I was like I'm so sorry you guys liked the Shrek and I understand why you like it but I'm so sorry

you're going through the Shrek because I was going through it too it was just like but that was when I felt like oh no no people fuck with me you're going to do it helped them get through it though

because you put it out It's nuts. People. Mutant people. And then sometimes you give them all game. What they were like, I would have never looked at it like that. Thank you. Your music helped me.

Yeah. It was a lot. There's a lot of that that happened. And so when people, like yesterday, was it two, three days ago? We was at the Apollo. And this lady came up to me and she was like, yes. So it made me so like it got me through. And I was like, which one?

So she looked like she was from the West Indies. So I'm thinking she's going to say, come over. And she was like, mm-mm, conquer her. And she almost stood there and cried at me. And I was like, please. Please don't cry. Please don't cry. Please don't cry.

My face is being ready to go on stage. I'm going to be able to stage. I'm not to stand. I'm not to stand. That's just she really stood there and was like, thank you. She had a whole moment. Like those moments, let me know. Yeah, you're doing the right thing.

Come over hard, though, too. Yeah. That's what the boys. You feel it? And that's when it was, and that's when I felt like it was going crazy with the reggae or the island type melodies and beats was going crazy at that time. time that your shit just came in like yeah I like to take it back like what what made you want to pick up a mic like what made you want to tap into that because some people who just you got people

to do music yeah you got some people who been doing this as a baby yeah I mean first time I remember singing I was maybe seven and second time I remember singing I was maybe 12 I say that two different ways so first time I'm singing they always been sitting at church I was seven I was scared out my wits. That's holding the tones. Hit myself, right? Second time, they asked me to sing with my little brother and he could, you know,

he was trying to sing and I was singing it with him and they were like, this is really, you know, they clap and shit and I was like, it wasn't terrible. Right. I think I could do this. As I got older, it became a thing of, no, this makes me feel joy inside. Like, I could go sit in a room for hours and dissect

every harmony and look at them like colors floating around the room and, you know, that kind of thing. And I'm, I don't kid don't talk to me. I'm really off there like my family's like where she's upstairs and I would be in my joy bag

for like a week doing that shit you know after school you know jolly see whatever who was popping at the time fully focused and I was like this is what I'm going to do I think I'm going to do this and they're throwing it further back

remember being three and watching Bob Marley on TV, my parents and he was performing Zimbabwe at the Rainbow Yeah It's an old DVD or Thing you got to watch

But that performance He was like he was in the spirit Right He was like That's the one with the lightning No he was like he had on his yellow t-shirt No we had a green A jean shell on

He had his guitar Oh that's the blue jeans on Yeah And he was like Ah he was singing Zimbabwey Eyes Clothes Wilden I remember being three thinking, that's it, that's it. And I feel like that was the beginning, the start from me.

What was your house like? Because, you know, everybody got up on Saturday mornings and was cleaning up. So what was the music you grew up off? We did that. We had Bob Mali, of course. We had Nina Simone. We had every lover's rock, Dennis Brown, Freddie McGregor, all of that, right? And you had fucking Stevie and Lutheran.

and dress and all of that. And then because we were young kids in London and we want to hear pop music, it's Yaz, it's Duran, Duran, it's, you know, all of them mixed up in it too. Mel and Kim, obscure 80s groups, and then the pop ones too. So we had it all mixed up,

but my parents were like, you're going to know music, you're going to know soul music, and you're going to know African music, and you're going to know reggae, and that's us. That's what we do. So that's why my music sounds like.

Oh, yeah. That's rain. That's how you. you build a range, man. That's how to build a real artist because it's like you don't pull you're pulling from everything you've ever listened to.

It shows, though. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, what did you guys? What did you listen to growing up? Early? Mm-hmm. That would do I'm wild. My shit, hell.

What did you love it? Yeah, we're from Baga, uh, Baga Jackson to Eminem to M&M. That's right. That's right. What was, what happened in between? I don't fucking know.

What, my, my, no. My mom was like, something that changed than you, and I was like, fucking insane. Listen to his wife, but he would have... I found his city at the house, bro. I don't know.

And it went from T.I. Lilboosy. Smoking, Norfolk. You know, then it goes to the basses like that. But my start-off pop-off, I think Michael Jackson was like our biggest star. So it was like, and you're going to listen to anything music, at least start with him.

Listen, Michael was a staple in our family. Yeah, you weren't getting away from Michael. No. You're not getting away from Mike. He's around the world. That's what I was saying there's more. stuff that's similar. My household is not a Michael Jackson hater.

We watch everything. See, I'm in Mississippi still on Sunday. You don't hear no rap, nowhere. Like, on all the stations, they just played like... Blue. Goss. Blues. They got in the morning. And then around maybe like two,

they started playing the blues. But, like, that's just how it was. And, you know, like, as we're growing up and we're getting outside more and more and more, it just became like, even... It's just something that we did, too, you know. I'm saying, you just play the, call them the oldest, just play the oldest on Sunday, you know what I'm saying? Let's on me and let it play.

Yeah. But you know we had just like, where I'm from in Mississippi is North Mississippi, right? So the old head station coming in, crystal clear. Coming in. I'm talking about, like, you can get any no static. It sounds like it's a CD. The rap station is. The rap station might cut in and out, but the old head station coming through Christmas.

And they don't people are listening. Come on, man. And we, uh, where I grew up right outside of Memphis. So we had Isaac Hayes on Sunday. Isaac, Bubbly Hay. He'd be like, it's Isaac. Bubbly Hayes. Hot but a soul Sundays.

And he would just play nothing but like last home. Nothing but the old school. Nothing but the old school, bro. Because I know when I used to rap with my auntie, you know, we all had like D-103, 1007 night. But when I get in my auntie car, I would say my auntie knew more music than anybody like out of my mama and my daddy because my mama didn't kill.

Just keep it on gossip. She's just one of his dog. That's all day. That's it. Who's famous? Jesus. Somebody got to say it. She didn't want to get the other couple of four.

Hey. You never heard it before. And that was moving out the way for Jesus. Jealous. I stumbled upon Jesus. But you see? That was the real. I was the real church.

Man, quiet. What? But when I gave him a couple of my auntie, she put it on 104.1. That's the old-school thing. That's when I started hearing all the eyes. Blue to Van Drop. I was like, see who that is. You don't know nothing about that?

Your mom don't be playing this in her car? I'm like, Auntie, she don't never play that. I'm like, who is this? So I wasn't, at the Internet one, we didn't have access like that. So it was like, I would have to pick back up on her when I hear it again. I'm like, hey, who that part of the world,

Auntie, we're listening to? We went through a whole period where, like, my parents were, with the sleep of gospel, right? We went to church, and my mom and dad threw out, my mom threw out her fur. I just, till this day. day.

She threw the fur? She got rid of her fur. Why? She thought it was... Because it was secular. Oh. I know. It hurts my feelings.

Jesus. And it was this color too. It was, gorgeous. I was so, like, I still dream about that shit because I wanted it when I grew up. But anyhow, and she, they got rid of all the secular music in the house. And so it was gospel. I went to my auntie's house. She would play Luther, Stevie, Alexander.

I said, O'Neill was her thing, like her guy. She loved that, man. It was crazy. Well, see, once you think about it, and they're, like, growing up, like, when we were kids, kids, like, the 80s generation, early 90s, like, black people used to take pride

in their music collection. You know what I'm saying? Well, you used to have a music collection to have one. Your music collection, define who you work. And then the other thing, too, the other thing I noticed is

I listen to what my parents was listening to now. Like, the shit, I'd be like, man, I don't want to hear this shit. Now I'm like, man, put that shit on. But that's a nice thing. Hey, man, turn that goddamn shit off. Put on that.

You shut the fuck up. They were just playing booge and I said, I wanted to cut their radio off. But as a 90s, baby, I always took Friday when I saw somebody who had like a music collection or a CD book. And I was like, well, you got to experience all this? Yeah. They're like, yeah, man, all the songs. Like, you know, old songs? Why can't hear this shit in my household?

Yeah. You weren't even really allowed to get around on me for TV for real. For real. A tape, anybody can do all that rewind And that shit, man You better get the single You want to get that shit again You just want to one song

A single tape You got the album Yeah But an album You ain't going to do all that God damn fan of the groove Scratch your shit up CDs you kind of skipped

But a CD Like that rolled the whole way Who was a lost person You think that had like a full out CD that you could be like Begin into end I can't even think recent like everything in my mind is

further back. Yeah. I think I think Urban Legend was still CD, CD, that's 05. Uh-huh. Oh, sick. That goddamn first DMX is dark and hell is hot. I let that bitch ride start to finish. Juvenile. Oh, 400. 400 to 400. 80 aliens. Oh, yeah.

That shit can ride since. T.conia. Thank you. Yeah. All well, I mean, play speakerbox and let the love for love play. I let all that play. All right through. Both time. Yeah. I was all y'all. I thought they were being friends. I'm like, did you knicker? I thought they was together.

Why he? I was doing through that. They're always trying to break black people. That killer Mike, last album, the one that one that one out of Grimmis. Yeah. That's a lot. What's that big crit? I can listen to some big crick. Okay. The true, Tuchang? The true?

Oh, I got one. The street collar, future. No dope on Sunday. Street caller. No dope on Sunday with him sitting in front of Storm Mountain. No cap. That was hard. You know I was going to stop selling dope on Sunday.

You know what. I'm like, but that nigga rabbi there, he got morals, man. That's my father, man. You know who else? Let me see what. No, I just want. A gift of gal. Rocco.

Rocko. That was a hard. Oh, for show. That street called a future. He ain't got to touch him. T.I. First one. What's that doing?

He's moat. That future is doing. That one they were saying he was going on. Even though it wasn't an avid album. But they said he was going on industry. He had to come back. He said, man, let me go. Let me go pop a beer.

Yeah, I think of boo this shit. Now, but see, it's crazy how you develop your musical taste, though. What he did, though. My dad was a big Tupac fan, ghetto boys, and, you know, he would have all these rap albums that he really loved. Would you say, like, this is my question, so I get into, like, American. Yeah, I know. I know how you do it. That's a question.

Even South. Okay. Would you say you were more East Coast fans or West Coast fans? East Coast, for sure, for sure. I can't say that. I can't say that. We liked it all. It was about 50-50.

We liked it all. We always kept our music separate. Like when somebody from the South, it was pretty much like, they automatically. Right. But then it's like we had certain elements that we like from West Coast music. Like, even though it was like a lot of...

If I rocked most, like who you rocked with. If I, if I... Like, you said, you said too far. You said your dad liked too far. Like I like the lyricism in the wordplay. Yeah, up the East Coast. They were more focused on actually, like, who could say.

the most shit, but like the West Coast the flow was way different. It was like they weren't trying to overcompensate with it. They would like let that dope-ass beat play or do a cool ass flip on an old school classic and just keep it real light. But on the East Coast they're going, they're trying

to wrap your ass to death. But for me... Who thought was an East Coast rapper who just rapped on the West. He was from Baltimore really. Yeah. It was the East Coast rapper. They just wrapped on the way. He's the perfect balance of both though. We rock with who rocked with us. And that was the South.

So, like, the East Coast, we liked them until they started showing disdain. They was the first one. Because they would come down here and start shitting on us or shitting us on the radio. Like, we love Wu-Tang. Wutang had a Woolware store here in Atlanta. Wow. Like, I begged my mama to take me to that bitch. That shit was full of weed smoke.

And she still let me get the shirt. See, that's the biggest difference. The West Coast never shit on the South. Yeah. Yeah. And North. And we write. with everybody

that didn't shit on. Noir was one of the first East Coast artist that was on a lot of down south. Yeah, you come down. Yeah, he'd be fucking everybody.

Shout out of Norah. From Project Pat to Lejan to motherfucking tricket. I can say that, I can say that for Nore. I can say that for Cam and now.

Yeah, I could say that for Wu-Tang and now. Nause, later on. Naz, yeah. Like,

yeah. It was way more love than it was hate that they were trying to, like, make it seem like, right. And Rick Korn, too.

Of course. Rayquine for a moment, yeah. Oh, death. But see, that's what I... But the Westwood of this out of Tupac's shit. Right. Like, he was real dynamic

where he could give you both. Like, when you love don't sound nothing like to live and die in life. You know what I'm saying? But I think a lot of that shit light, it made her shit

like, like, oh shit, we can't listen to them. Because they damn now on the same shit we're on. because we really weren't hip you know what I'm saying because we weren't playing their music like even like I said

my household I didn't even know about the shit that was going on my side of the world until I went on somebody at house and somebody playing this shit and I'm like you're going to know about this from this

I'm like I got to write their name down and go back home like it was it was a prophet brother half jacks and every new guy I'm sorry mama

me my mother that right you you know you're going to want you know Oh, my God. You needed a buffer in between them, bro. You needed something, God.

That's all I got. You need it. I got two and spoked up for that. How did we get it? You needed the goddamn. How did we get it? But Tony Braxton or something. I just went to start listening to everybody.

But since we're on the conversation of music, you don't work with a lot of legends. Like, who was some of your favorites to work with? Well, who was the one who had you kind of like? I can't believe we're in this motherfucker It threw me completely Because I remember All right so about when I came here I was like

I'm gonna live my life in between the studio session I'll be outside of the clubs Two stepping on tables I had to give up vodka Because it was like I did too much Living up really I don't work for me no more

You were crazy It was a wild time You were here at a very fun time It was. It was a good time. Like, from 99 to 05 was peak black. Mm-hmm. It was a beautiful time.

And I remember, like, having a good time. A bunch of Gucci-Mane records in a row. Yeah. And then I did a record with Jerry Wonder and then they flat themselves. I just put it down. I literally had moved to the West Coast at this point, like doing a whole other thing, doing cartoon voices and whatnot. And Jerry hits me like, yeah.

Gucci-Man was the record that we did finally. free. I said, hmm? What? Me? Right. Why does you know me? What? Goji and me? What is the only? Because it was like, I bet like it was all flashbacks. Like I said, dance and on tables and all the different clubs going to on the road.

And that was a joint. That was all like crew like lemonade, uh, freaky girl. You know, like all of them in that era. Yeah. That was our shit. I'll turn up. Like, let's go. Yeah. Me and my home girls and my distance or whatnot. And so then I'm on a record with him It was just like

This is crazy Oh my God He knows what I'm That's the fun time Right He did have that whole little Yeah It was a good time

Yeah That was one I mean that's one But look I've done So many records With so many people And I've got

Things that are coming out With people Who Growing up I would even think That they knew my name And I met Some of them

Because of my radio show But it's just like, I look at it all like, man, it's a blessing. Like, I get to do this for a living. I get to do this, wake up in the morning and be like oh, I sang a song and people believe and respect you.

They understand all the 10,000 hours I plan and they think. Yeah. Like the hours of no sleep. You know, them days of like, I got some of my favorite shoes. What's your creative process? Do you just get inspired

and do it on the spot or you've got a certain routine that you'd like to go through or what? Now, I say this now, because the last thing I, last set of records I recorded, which is my album coming, I did that in the pandemic, the pinini, wherever you want to call it. And it was a four-hour process. I would pray, I ask God what he wants me to say, and then I get out the way. I just let it come out, I don't judge it, and leave it with the producer, and leave.

And it was four hours, because if I did anything more than four, I'd start overthinking it, start trying to move the words around. I don't that make sense. That melody feels too. I did that before. Uh-uh-uh. And I just get in the way of it, you know? So my process now is like, pray, go in there, freedom,

singing to my phone, put the melody down, and then coloring the lights, right? And fit the words in the melody. So if I'm singing the melody, I look at it like I'm drawing this. And then the words just go in here. And that's it. Knock it out. Leave the studio. Let me check with your result.

Is that true, bro? Because you said she didn't need the shit out. It's really an eight-hour process. She left two hours. She left two hours out. No, he's telling you. She did that?

What? What? How did I get that? You ain't going to even mention a lemonade, huh? You know you need lemonade to make the damn song. Now, you are all-around artists, though. Talented. Now, when did you think that you would get into the cartoon space?

Yeah. I'll ask for that. I prayed about that I wanted to do Yeah I did It was really like I think after a certain period Of like being outside

In the world People were like You have a voice over voice too Like you should do that And I was like I want a voiceover gig I want a voice over gig And it was like

No I want to do a cartoon Because I want my nieces and nephews To hear my voice And my sisters were pregnant The time And I was like They're not coming here They're not moving to the US

But I want them to hear my voice over there and I want them to know at least that's Auntie like I have a big family five girls three boys there's nine of us total and I meant that I was like no I just want them to be able to hear my voice I want an international I got very clear about the prayer about it and after pestering the shit out of my team

I was like they were like well this cartoon came in it's not a lot of money I was like what's it about well it's a cartoon that all like the character is called Garnett and she's like a big sister I was like, I can relate I'm the biggest, I'm the oldest oldest girl

And so they read it to me And I was like, this is good This is easy We weren't privy to any of the story arcs I didn't know any of it I was like purple It's got it It's my best my birthstones

And the Capricorn This is great Let's do it Let's go And the more I kept doing it I just felt like This is the biggest honor In my life

This is amazing Like thank you God Did she already look like that? The character? Yeah Well, she, she, well, Rebecca Sugar in her, their partnership, they're a team, and they created this whole character, they said, based off of a song that I had a freak, a video. Yeah, yeah, okay. So I did a song cool freak.

I can be a freak every day. Yeah, yeah. It came out in the American boy era. I'm just. I'm just talking about you to night, God, that's a man. Yeah. But you're a freak. I mean, that was the song.

I'm just talking about the song. I mean, any woman was a school dog. Yeah, but the point is, I had this song that was more about just, like, feeling yourself and being, I don't do this. I don't know, why has it got high? I don't know. You like cartoons? Oh my God. Okay, okay.

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And we did the video. The video is, did its thing. Anyhow, she's a fan of it and she liked it because it feels like, it's like Baltimore House. It's like, you know, it's club. It's dance music. And she was like, yo, I just love the video. I like how strong and how incredible you look in it.

And that's what it should be. And one of the reasons why I really, like, I think it was a right decision. she said something to the effect to like someone else like why is garnet a black woman you know and she was like well why not every other thing is white and male

why wouldn't it be a black woman I was just like and this is why I took the wrong because she you know she sees what we bring to the world as women you know like she wasn't and she wasn't afraid to

reference that you know in something that was so groundbreaking for a lot of people yeah so it went crazy How many seasons? I think like six seasons in a movie. That's a good franchise.

Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. There's six seasons, right? Six seasons, six seven. Six plus in the movie, yeah, there's a lot. Well, Clayton already told you how your song made us feel as American boys. What was the inspiration?

Like, what made you stick with that concept? How did that come about? Let me tell you. No, I was in a, I was in a, I was in a, beach in Miami. I was at the beach and so I'm recording I was all so conservative to smoke this wind.

I want to eat the weird too. The story was too good. Was this the Gucci Man era? Guzumann era? Goochie man? Yeah, give it a knife.

Before that. Okay. I live my life. I have fun of Kenny Cook. Both fucking lit. Those stories get better and better.

Oh my God. I'm on a beach. No, it was On the four wheel No, I'm just playing Okay, I will crash a four wheel Okay, I will crash a four wheel I have done, it's ridiculous

I have no It's crazy You mean living life I do not do it I'm trying I'm living life That was a good time Yeah

It's a good time But no I was on the beach with John Well no I was not on a beach with John I was in Miami And John was recording And all the time

They was recording I was like I'm going to the beach I'm not this is, I'm not staying in the studio with you people just moving around I had a session with Will I am that week and I was just waiting to see when it beat. Yeah

because he produced the American boy and all that. That's biased. So we go in hold of I don't hate to cut you off but bring it just the network of friends that you have. You know what I'm just saying bro that shit sounds so crazy. That you can just kicking with and be some cool shit.

We're like him on the beach, nigga. Not like you got to come and book You're just like, hey, man, pull up. Once he left, the nigga like, man, I'll do this. I'm not going to the beach. Something like that, yeah. This shit is lit. That's how crazy.

That's so great. That's how great. That shit is lit. Thank you. No, that's something about right. You're in Miami? Well, I was. I've been friends and they respect your mind,

and this is how y'all vibing and creating this. That shit is leaked. Go ahead. You all go to beat. You all the beach. You live, I am getting mad if you call him William. Okay, no matter. I'm sorry.

That's a thought. That's a question. He gets just as mad as J-O-N. Get the fuck out. You get them. You know, who the fucking is real? It's you, motherfucker. What do you do like this in the studio?

Why are you back there in this? Leave. Get out of here. Why? The attorney's back on your ass. Be talking to you like Dr. Cloor. I still see you. Oh, my God.

Dr. Even. I'll get you next time, myself. Next time. Why are you I'm like this No I'm like Wait hold on I'm sorry

I'm trying to remember The story I was like this place You went to the beach You left them nickers I went to the beach Waiting for my session To go

And so I come back And next day We start the session And John's like So what did you been doing And I was like I'm at the beach Hanging out

Having fun times Cuban boys love me I didn't know They were Cuban at the time I have to correct myself And say this now But it was To me it was like

oh my goodness they're speaking Spanish in me so we don't have a big Latino community in the UK so my mind is blown the entire time I'm there just like say once again we say things again

all day you can't do with the Ricky Ricardo yeah it's over Yo mama you know they're Cuban they laugh like a muffin I marry you today I marry you

I'm a big house All the vibes I give you big hounds And I'm just there like It's in my entire mind Like, say words. This is great. Like, and also I have a thing where I listen to people speak.

I like to, I hear melody and, you know, in, anyhow. And Jones is looking at me like, what's the floor? I was like, they're cute. They hollering on, you know, don't worry about it. It's good. He's like, well, let's right about that. You wrote about an American mother who really is a Hispanic. For sure.

And it made it about everybody. You were smart. That was a smart thing. But the original starting point was like, oh, my goodness, I'm on the beach and this is a fun time. You know, like, the whole, they was on that. Me and my home girl, yeah. So they were home, too. It was a wild time.

I will say it works. I will say yes. But, you know, like I said, it was. And then we're fresh from London, so the accent's extra strong. So it doesn't matter. She was black eyes. She was just everybody. It was like, oh, my goodness, the British girls.

And we were just saying like, let's go get a margarita. and like, also, wait home and you come. It was a good time. Sounds like it. So, it was fun. So we go in and John's like what you've been out to and I'm like on the beach hanging out. He's like, well, let's write about it.

And same thing, he goes and then do, do, do it do some melodies and I go in and our melody and then we both color in the lines. Hold on, hold on. Bring it back. I'm a student. I'm a student again. I'm right here at the conversation. He said, all right, now let's write him about this.

He breaks up everything on the computer And he goes and make the beat Do he makes the beat like that? No y'all didn't matter to right Well I Am had the beat And he was playing through beats He's just playing through beats First of all he played me

Wait a minute Which was the very first single I was the very first single of this time And I'm like Oh that screaming loads such I love that sample Let's do that one He's like okay

So he wrote that record Put it down And then American boy came around And he was like I don't know I said That beat is it And he was like, no, I don't know if that's a hit.

I said, that's the one. And if we don't make it back, I'll go to IB for Make Your Money Back. They're going to love this in the UK. They love this in Europe. We're good. That's crazy. You got a halting it and even going to fail it. Yeah, we'll be fine.

It'll be good. So we're in national. Yeah. So do you have a lot of records like that where you're like, okay, I know this is going to work at home. Right. You got to have to. And that's my thought for us. No, that's my thought for us.

If I can, if it works for me, it's something that I believe in, and I know that I can do it at home. That's your leverage, all right? It's going everywhere. Like, over here, we can't, we can be like, if it don't work, it don't work. She's like, man, I can take it to the UK. We're going to be like, let's try it in the UK. He's like, it's already going to work in the UK.

Well, that's the year if it's going to work. Right. I don't think that's even a real, if you love it and it's your shit, it's going to work wherever you take it. Right. You know, that's my, that was always been my thing. But selling it to them was just like, no, Give me, I know what place I can go perform that, right girl, right now.

Right now. Right. But other than that, I just loved it and believed in a record. The bass line is one thing, an American boy that is, it don't matter if I just have a bass player. Yeah. I can sing that song. If I have a hand clap, I can sing that song.

If it's a guitar, I can sing that song. And that's my through line with every single record. Like, can I do this? With the men. Can I do this? Can I do this? I do this. But easy.

Yeah. But that was literally that And Will had put the record out elsewhere And we came back around And figured it out And he released it in it I feel like that's one of them songs

That I never get old So he leaked? Did he leak it? No, he'd already recorded a version of it Like a vibe record And had just released it in the UK On a very small label

And a whole album So it wasn't the single of the album Just on this album And people who knew him Loved him Found that record And they were like But this is the Will I Am record

And I was like, excuse me, bro, who, he was like, he was like, yeah, you, that was crazy. So that little, that little gasped me. Luke came up. No real life moment. I was, I was, like, ooh. Put it too, town. Okay, I'm not going on now. He'll sit with him.

If you don't say nothing, he ain't going to say that. No, I ain't going to do it because we got against him. But whoo she leaned up, right in the picture. No, I'm never going to do that. I'm like this bubble up. This is such a lot. So I was in Burpin. Especially, we put it out and it just went and did everything it needed to do.

Kanye got on it maybe six months to eight months after we recorded it. That's it. And we wanted him on it. It wasn't like, this is a thing to make her blow up. It was like the record's going to go. This is a juggernaut. How can we make it sweeping over? I was like, I mean, you're okay.

You had to plan for it. What's a record that you? went in the studio that you just absolutely like your favorite you know you got the world favorite you got your favorite I think at the time I recorded this is my

I can listen to this like I just recorded it just know exactly where I was and it's the original demo vocal from my house a song called Break My Heart featuring Rick Ross I remember where I was and it was like forecasting it

which was weird with the guy I was with at the time I was like I wrote this record out, just a pure blue sky, like the four-hour scenario. And I wasn't doing it frequently then. I just did it in that moment and never did it again for like six years. And at the time I was like, this is, it's not with this record. And, you know, I told the label and that was the second album, all of me.

But that record makes me just feel like warmth and the 90s. I wish I could be every song like this. Yeah, I don't want to relive that heartbreak. Right, right, right. Every single song, you know. And I feel like I got out of this new records. Okay. Oh, in this one?

Mm, the new album, yeah. Same vibe. Yeah. It's always a vibe. Yeah. If you're excited about it, I'm excited. What's the name of the new album? What is coming?

I can't tell you. Oh, yeah, man. But now we're going to get this. She said, oh, huh? But I will say I have four records out right now. Well, four probably by the time you hear this. O-I. Fire, Love on Love, and the song called New Direction.

And these songs were made from like 2018, started in 2012, but made from 2018 through to maybe, we're just literally mixing as we go right now. Out of shit. He says, I want to go. Whoa, there's timeless music. Even though you still in the studio, still be recording.

With the music you made, like you said, in 2018 when you're driving in 2025 It takes a minute It takes a million Why now Why not in 2018

Because we need joy We need love And I think if Girl gave me all this music To give Now Would be the time To get it going

Also I listen I pray a lot As I've said And I don't I don't really I don't get my ego About when And oh we have to

Because people ain't He gave it to me He's gonna make the part straight and let people who need to hear it hear it who is for is who is for and it's that you know and they're going to get it in the time they get it in there's people who was just discovering I had a reggae album out now and I did that in 208 I put that out in 2018 okay just like you had a whole reggae I'm just like oh but I can't go do your homework but but when you meant to hear it you're meant to hear it not to say that this is what this is but I took my

time with this I wanted to wait for the right features I wanted to put everything in the right face as much as I possibly be good. Yeah. And let the producer do this thing, too. I don't want to just be like, good, touch. I want to live with it. I want to ride with it. I want to see how loud it could feel

and how joyful. How long can I ride to? Yeah. If this is wacky, it was just me in the house. Like, just because everything was quiet or, and it wasn't, you know. You know what I love about you? What?

Like, we've been following each other on social media for a long time. Yeah. No, but you show a lot of love to just a lot of people. Like, I've been seeing you laughing at the comedy pages, the reels, and the music. You'll be all over the place, man. This is the thing. I look, I, we live dual lives. We live everywhere.

Right. And I don't, I don't, I don't really see the whole, well, you can't like this person to think too much because they're going to think you're too drawn. Like, what makes me laugh makes me laugh? Right. I don't, I just. Yeah. And I think you guys are funny. You kept just alive during the Padidi and before.

Thank you. Okay, I was looking, look, I was looking at the full, like, old shows that you were, like, I, and when I seen you on Netflix, that shit made my heart thing. I was so joyful. I was like, this is, this is it. This makes me proud, like, so. We appreciate that. Yeah, man. Why not? What kind of advice do you give artists that come up to you? Like, the next are still out of London. She's from the east side, though, you know, because there's no blueprint to really do what you've done. But you made it easier for the next person because you bridged a gap between America and the UK. Well, you know, Lucerne did that for me.

Charday did that for me. Who else? A bunch of singers in the UK from Beverly Night, Micho Paris. So many people did that for me. I can't sit here and say like, oh, I'm the first, no parts. Not the first, but you got to keep the legacy going. For sure. And then keep legacy

talk, Marsha and Flootry did that for me too, right? So what I always tell people, and it's always the question, you're like, how do I, how do I? Like, you're a singer's thing. You're an artist, be an artist. All the other shit you're worrying about is standing in the way your ego standing in the way. Stop overthinking the shit and just create.

Like, I did it. I'm writing a book because I keep getting that question. And it's just my perspective. Tweek it, make it your own. You know, my thing is just I'm going to show you how you get, how I got there. And I had to learn these lessons on the fly because there was no physical example of like, come here, stay here, move with this person. Don't do that shit. I said, don't do that shit.

It was none of that for me. I was doing the shit and fuck it. I'm being like, oh, God. Let's go again, you know? So I'm writing all that in the book, but my main thing is always just create, stop making it excuses about it, make really good music, stop judging the music, don't overthink it. and pray like whoever you pray to I believe in spirituality

over religion you know however you get to God is how you get to God right but yeah the being that is bigger than all of us

for directions and do the fucking thing like stop overthinking the stuff do the game yeah get out your way yeah that's my main thing to think so like

well how are you and I'm just like I'm just doing what I got He's like, he's going to do it's open. I'm like, cool, I'm going through it. Full speed. Don't stop running.

Cool. Keep going. All right. We're living real life. That's my thing. Is that okay? What's different? I'm like, y'all's so good.

No, we're good. That's been in thought. Okay. Deep and thought. Deep and thought. Because it's like, even, you know, as us as comedians and he's a musician, he do music. He's very talented. Hey, your residuals talent is crazy, too.

So it's just like, just to be able to get some insight on somebody who's creative is to see what the process is and how you navigate the decisions. You know what I mean? Because sometimes we do shit and we don't know the impact that is having on somebody else. Like you said the later, who knew the album cut? That's her shit. You know, and then sometimes people come up to us and tell us about a moment that happened. It's like, man, I needed, I was at a point where wouldn't nothing make me laugh.

But I sat and I watched it and got me out of that. face like that's that's the shit you did the thing right yeah did the thing you didn't sit there saying like there's 1511 things and you didn't put up so many barriers you just went to execute you sat you got in your bag you was like what makes me fun what makes me laugh right and your

the way you do comedy is observant as fuck and I love it you know and it's just like a very like this this is this is why I follow like because it's it's truth you know it's not I know it's not made up yeah

And I wish more people would think that Instead of thinking Let me get in the way This is the way that this is that is done And I have to present this way And I have to present that way All right You know

You're making more barriers for your stuff You are I can't do it You're going to keep adding on stuff You're not being on anything You're not being honest with anything You're getting frustrated Because everything will come with a problem

Yeah Once you know that And you're like Oh see I was so focused on thinking That once I get done This problem I ain't going to have problems No, you just got to learn.

Problem, something. Yep. It was mean things. I'm an A&R. I'm the A.R on the new DC album. We need you on that. You serious? Yeah, number one.

Put them all guys. Let me hear. We need you on the. Okay. We need a session. Fats. Yeah. We ain't going to wait.

We're going to actually ready for you. It'd be quick. I want to hear it. Let's go. You're going to turn this for the four album. I'm going to pray for them. I'm going to be that prayer. Come on.

Come on, let me pray now. And she's going to stop to pray. Wait a minute. Wait a check. He's a deep. We're going to pray. We're going to pray. We're going to do this shit in the American way.

We're going to give her so much. It's going to be so much cash for five, tens, and one. She's going to be like, come on, man. I'm ready to go. I can go. He's the vibes and one. No one. One, five, and tens.

The 20s be on the top. Why has this blood on this money? I ain't no blood on that much. It's. He's bleeding. Turn the headphones up. Oh, my God. It's just fun hearing the journey, though, you know what I'm saying?

Because as an artist, like, you just hear, like, the process. I think I just, you know what I'm saying, have finally just got to a point with like, bro, it's just a process. The only thing that's different between you and it was a plaque on the wall. It's just a moody that. It's literally that. Let me ask you that. What it felt like the hang of plaque on the wall. That's it.

That's like in the Grammy. Just from, think about, like, you know how like. You're growing up. You're sitting in your room. You got you in the notebook. You write in your songs and then it goes from the notebook to put some on the wall.

But to your point, it's for, you know how many records will never see the light of day? Never. To get to that one Grammy and that one two million and that one moment and people coming up saying,

forget all of those, that record. There are, there are that tapes, hard drives this big. And they don't understand. They are real to rills with my vocals on them that will never see the light of day, please, Jesus, because they were terrible, okay,

to get to that point. And I think it's just one of the things that I did before I decided to move here was in between all of the discussing with the label, again, I was praying. I went through a real depressive era. I call it depressive, but it wasn't. It was God, like, singling me out to, like, get me right. And I was like, get clear on what do you, what do you want? I was like, I want to win to grab me.

I'm going to win a Grammy I won a Grammy like how the words mean things right and it took me getting to that place and then being like I'm going to get out the way of the how I don't know how I didn't even expect it when it happened

I was I got I got told I was nominated when I was leaving another hotel in maybe Vienna or something on tour and I was pissed I want to go home it was cold I was tired I didn't know where at home was I just moved from London

family wasn't really in the U.S. like that and I got told I was nominated and I was big piss going home I'm coming down at the elevator and I get a phone call and I'm just like what are they calling me for now who else I got to pay?

Like what the fuck like can they leave me? I just want to get on the bus and go home I can't even do it but I'm performing every night and I'm giving them my awl and they were like you got nominated two Grammys

I stopped in the middle of the street in Vienna And I did look of praise dogs. I was like, thank you, Jesus. Like, I had a whole. And then when I won it, I won it on the carpet. So the how is inconsequential to God's saying, like, I told you, you can get it. Like, just do the things, putting the work. Or just get out of the way.

Let me make it so, you know? That's what I say, like, there's 1511 different songs that will never see the light of day. There are moments that I could have taken. I didn't take. When God says yes and when it says, time and you get an agreement with him and you say it's your time it's whatever holding the plaque is one thing

and I've had it at the house the Grammy's cute but the memory and the feeling of those moments being God like you told me I was going to get a Grammy that's the thing that's the thing I carry like shit you don't lie huh

you don't know you don't never lie you're not like you feel a job now stop laughing though it's really you don't

look it from We are here telling the truth for the Lord. Come on, that. That's the poem. You wanted to win, grab me. Clear by it. Understand. And to the people who are watching this,

I don't know how many times you have to see people say this or hear people say this, man. You got to speak your dreams into life, man. You can't just sit on that, man. Because she just said it. It's crazy because, like you said, both y'all just hit me. It said it was specific. I was never specific. I always said I just wanted to do music.

I want to make it. That's the faith. He allowed me to make it somewhere else. So he's just like, you're still doing the music. See, that's the faith right there, you see. You feel me? Like, God would just be wanting to know if you're going to be bold enough to say it. Right.

Because you got to, somebody got to laugh at it. Somebody got to tell you that it ain't going to happen. But you're the one who got to believe it, though. Guess what? Guess what? You ain't supposed to tell nobody between you and God. I can say out loud in your room to nobody who knows. I did it out loud.

on my balcony to nobody around. See, I always just wanted to make it to get my family out of the hood. See, that was just the goal. He gave me the goal somewhere else. So he was just like, I gave you the same goal. Now what? You just like music. Easy.

I'm going to just make music for yourself. They're not even that. I'm going to put you around people who respect that you do music. So it's not really the plan. It's not really you want to make it out of the hood. They really like your music. But what do you want to do with the music? I just like help it.

I just like being the composer. Like I realize like that's what I like to do. Just like by you hearing and say that, yes, you really can sing. I'm like, that's it for me. That's good. Thank you. Okay. That's all I'm going to do.

Okay. That's all I'm going to start playing. Okay. That was it. That was it. Okay. And if you woke me up, I can't help him. You hear it for me.

And I'll give you this. If you want more, nothing wrong with that. Yes. There's nothing wrong with something. saying I like hearing people hear my music and I like that but you know what God I want to go on this tour and I want to do it like this

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We just go on and say it. I want to tell you where to cut it out, Lord. I want to cut it now, Lord. When he cut it, I know I made it, Lord. You got a head full of dirty cigarette. Oh, my God. What did you just say? What was going to do?

I don't do that. How are you doing this abuse? It ain't got it. How do you take this abuse? You're looking like Charlie Brown for Christmas. Your aunt did do it bad, but she'll pray for you in front of everybody. I just want you to take them, Lord. I want my nephew off them drugs.

I want to fuck them. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I know your drug, Jesus. Wait a minute. I know you're on that stuff. I know he on that stuff bad.

Too young. Too young. Where is it? He messing with that stuff. I want better for it. I think you're having sushi. We look for you. Boy, that's so funny, bruh.

Bray he never here. They're praying for him, kids. He owed it now, boy. I saw him really want this. He think no nobody, nobody is how to do. He won't stop stealing, Lord. He's going to let him have it. Lord, that is, right?

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D-O-A? Yeah. I had gone there one. wait a few years ago a few years ago I did a show out here all right because I'm a polite tipper

I don't like throwing shit people I'm going to preface that no okay like that but in their hands within their hands

okay what are you doing here you go it's so well oh you're good okay I'm that polite you did so well

I did so like They did great job. Thank you. It's just awkward for me because a lot of ladies who are dancing always like, it's genuine love. It's not like, oh, she's just like, no, I love that song. And they come and they'll hug me. And I'm just like, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, thank you.

Because it's this glare everywhere. It's a wild time. I did a show one time, and I did an after event at the show, the venue, and Steve Jay came. And he made a show. him and my team that guy over there hatched a plan to get me to the times of Atlanta

and StevieJ was going to be hosting Table down there I am I'm quite polite okay guys again like I said I'm not going to throw money at people I just you know long short we get to the club and these guys

left me there with Stevie J this is Stevie J right at the height of the team on the show hip-hop How did you leave? How much are you leaving me in the class? We're not in crisis. For the fun, okay?

Shit. And I'm just there looking around like, when's fucking my time? You're going to get in the head. This is me. He'll be on their fucking netto. And our preface is like, I mean, these are generals we are. But like, it was very intense.

It was so we go in there. I'm trying to, like, find my way to, like, just be polite and be nice to everyone. And then I go to the bathroom and I come back. And he's like, Get over here. You got to stop that shy shit. And I'm just like, it's okay.

It's okay. I just want to sit down. And then he gets this lady to do a dance for me. And it's just a whole spectacle. And I'm just like, okay. Like, we're both standing at the stage and she's like, she's going. Like, she's going crazy. She's going crazy.

It's a lot, right? And he turns to me, oh, God, Chesalue in his box. Is that far? Oh, no. He turns around and I'm looking. He's like, I ain't never heard that door. he wasn't there

he was outside like he turns around she's like at this point everything's wide over and I'm just like I don't want to say this is the way

this guy and he's like nah look at that asshole and I was like no what I do I don't want

I'm going to get I'm going to get pink guys stop and it was like at the end of the door so she could see it was just a whole

I was just a whole I was just like This is all of the shit in my life. And essentially, I took the money. I was like, okay. Here you go, you did so well. It did so well. And I gave her a bunch of my thing.

I was like, yeah, go, go. It was just like, that was like, I'm not good at that. You're supposed to throw it on the booty. I know. I just feel like. That's how you back her up. We see in that line. She knew better.

She wasn't supposed to put that in your face like that. I know it's not. But the growing up, the woman, the, the patriarchal family, I got. It's so weird for me to be like, ah, on a whole one's... It's the only part of the act. I know. I just didn't feel good. They cost me out by it.

They laugh at me. No, see, down here, they get naked, so it'd be like, you know what? That's part of it. You'd be like, he's spread that pussy. Then they turn around the spread. You're like, hell now. Oh, my God. You're like, damn.

And I'm like, don't do it like that. You're like, give me a sweetheart. We used to go to amateur night at the Blue Flame. Right. Well. The MC Life would have. Who got $50? I'll have DDT this bitch.

Yeah. Yeah. Wrestling move. Oh, wow. Suclexing. Oh, my God. Picking big women up. Ah, suplexer right now.

Give me all that off. That's too much. Yeah. But when he do it, the whole club going, ooh. Oh, the ass flapping contest. Go on crazy. Oh, man.

Yeah. Oh, man. You ain't seen no shit like this. These things getting out of Prith. They're coming from way back here. They don't want to hit a nigga like that for so long. What did the strip would do? This is a damn crazy.

Because they didn't gave us a sick hornet. Oh, my God. Strip-cud. It's a lot. You got to have to his end get on the script club. They had me sing American Boy at one. It was strange. Isn't it?

Yeah. They made you going to stay? God, damn. No, I'm a mistake. Give me the mic. Oh, you was in the DJ. Oh, yeah, so thank you. They did.

They made me sing it. It was like, oh. Do you see? We got you a nice thing. Yeah, we got you a nice outfit too. Yeah. Yeah, we did flame. Oh, this is fun.

This is dope. Oh, let me see. Oh, this is my color, too. Ew. Hey, you know. Yeah. You can come back, man. Got to stop back.

They're here. Yeah, that's, very cool. You know, something light. What I'm on saying? A little airport killer. A little stomach out. You know, a little bit, little stomach out. Thank you.

This is very cool. Thank you. Hold it up one more time because then you see, you know, the lady said we had, we didn't have nothing that fit specifically for them. So we went, we got something for them. Even for the baby mom's, if your stomach out, this summer, don't even fuck with it. Don't worry about it. How many stomachs you're going to have that motherfucker? Let it hang.

Come on. Come on now. Let it be. Come on now. Why you like this? I don't know. Why? This is fine.

Thank you. And I love the little love heart. It's just very dope. Exactly. You know, for the lover. Somebody daughter drew that. Yeah, they're for the lovers. It's good.

It's more. It's more love on love and love. I like that. Anytime you drop it's going to make you pull back up here. Oh, well. Yeah, because this is your first time here. Don't let it be your last. Let them know where they can find you on social media.

You can find me. When we can expect the album. Oh, yeah. You can find me at Estelle Darling's on pretty much everything. Twitter Instagram threads Blue Sky

Facebook is 4 slash Estelle if you're on Facebook TikTok Facebook jumping Yeah I know A lot of people About to get back on Facebook

I'm about to get back on there Because the social media Is it kicking me off On the record together You got it I hear See that's really what I want to do You really like

Produce the thing Okay I want Clark that And do me just Because I still get flanking I shared with you. It's true. Dig what I'm saying.

Who that was you just playing? Before this. What's the girl that sounded like Eric? My dude? Eric, my dude. Are we? Oh, wow. We love her.

We love her. Yeah. We love her. I love the shit out of her. Favorite. You and Aralind's, and I like Summer Walker, too. Mm-hmm. She bad.

There's a lot of great. Some of Walker bad. It's a lot. of the Ari number one. I'm saying I'm really only for a neo soul

feel right now. You think Ari is just neo soul? No, it's just I know with you and her something would be magnificent out of that.

I agree. I don't know what, but put it together. Right. You don't fuck it up. She already got it in the play. I can tell

about the way she is like, hmm, really. So we'll do what? It's already on the album. Oh, he's already on the album. No. That's what we said up,

though. They got three of them in them. Two. But I do have the Russell on the album. That's all about that. Shout out of the album. Yeah. Who is that?

I got Tidya Moses on the album. Come on. Who else do we have any of them to think about this? Oh, D. Nice is on the album. Yeah. Russell Taylor is a singer from DC, Incredible Artists on the album that Neosolive. Okay.

I'm gonna send my part in. Okay. You know what's gonna wrap in for me? I'm saying something. Okay. We'll do it like a 90 skit like I'm on the voicemail. Yeah. Okay.

You go crazy. You told you, just been the rap. Yeah, I put it at the end. Okay. At the end. Beep, this is a spell. Leave the message. Why?

Fuck, man, I ain't made it to the end of the album. I had wrote them little verses you told me. I ain't got no beat over here, but listen to this. Just peep this. Hold on. Say what? Come on. You see that?

Hello? Damn. That's going to be the idol. Come on. Come on. That's crazy that we actually listen to voicemail. We were literally listening to just to see. I don't know how long did they go.

Listen to the voicemail. Listen to the voicemail. If it got it in the voice man, they're like, oh, aye, aye, I can't call it a listen to the book, man, anyway. And if it ain't good. We're going to call you back. They had to put a voice mail in the text message to get you to listen to them. Yep.

Great. The voicemail. The only way you're going to listen. Hey, man, I need help for real. Am I in trouble? The word. The words ain't do it. I'm going to be real.

Anybody listen to the voicemail? Listen to the voicemail? Not unless I got to, like, for something. Like, if I, if a text message, tell me to go listen to them. Hey. I still ain't listen to the bitch. This motherfucker had the same voicemail for at least 13 years. What is it?

What is it? What up? Clay. Hey, what's up? You reach Clayton English. Yeah. I can't answer the phone right now. now, leave your name, number, and a message.

I'll get back to you. See how much do you need to need to get back? It might be your name. And a message. Who's to get back? But don't just get you. I need you. Hey, man, this, D.C., my number, woo-woo, what the fuck did he want?

What did he want? Oh. I really wish I knew what the fuck he wanted. So I get to stand if I wanted to tell you. Right. Ain't nobody wants to him. with you both. Crazy.

Nobody voice me I'm standing in the motherfucker you ain't called back. You know they're mad because they start

assuming what you're doing. Yeah, man, this is me just hitting you again. I guess you busy or sleep

or something. Hey, man, I was trying to coach you there again and you must be asleep. I'm

with your family huh? You don't with my family. Hey, get with me when you can. Hey, bro, it's a bird's 9-1-1-9-1.

Nick, lead three on the third voicemail. He just be like, ah, a-hae, man. You're doing, bro. Say no more, bro. All right, bro. I see what it is. I see how it is.

You ain't got to hit me back. Don't worry about it yet. It took it so far. It took it stupid, man. You got to hit me back. Nigel, we're going to call. You're going to give me permission. You ain't got to hit me back.

All right. Then one of the days, though, man. You have 15 unheard messages. Delete, delete, delete, delete. I'm not doing that. Oh shit. Oh, shit. But that fucking in here.

That didn't let me... Hey, man. D-a-D-D-D. I'm gout here. That motherfucker crazy, man. Oh. Oh. This is the type of shit. This is it.

Dude fucked up, man. I love him. He's going to keep going He fucked up He's going to keep going He's going to keep going Like Oh, boy

This is a whole Yeah Yeah He was the tears for me Like he's really God Wait a minute He said A message

just, I don't know what you got going on today, man. I don't know what you got going on today, man. I didn't hit you a couple times. That was the day, man, voicemail. What about it? Damn. Hey, can I get the towel? Wasted this shit.

You wasted all that shit. I don't need remit this shit. Oh, man. Well, Estelle, we can literally sit here and talk shit with you. And I could just sit here and look at you and laugh forever. This is hilarious. I think it's a good time.

No, it's great. Right ahead. You got to come back and win the album. I'll be sorry. Make a part of your promo run. Yeah, for sure. And yeah.

You have all the songs that all up. Well, guys, this has been another great episode of the 85 staff show. Anything you want to leave them with? Have fun. Live long, laugh.

By the album when it comes. Keep God first. Why say it with intention? Uh-huh. Make sure you do that. Keep laughing. Stay in your joy, man. This is it.

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