The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - How To Suvive A Police Stop W Karlous Miller, Chico Bean & Pat Labat | Ep. 247

Episode Date: July 31, 2020

On this podcast Chico Bean and Karlous Miller sit down with Fulton County Sheriff hopeful to discuss issues involving the safety of the community and the police force. With a lot of conversation about Defunding the police, Chico and Lous try to gain more understanding about the issues involved. Plus, Karlous and Chico ask Pat Labat what you can do to survive a police stop when you're Black. The crew tries to gain some understanding about bad cops, the George Floyd tragedy and the blue wall of silence. #85southshow FOLLOW THE CREW KARLOUS MILLER - https://www.facebook.com/karlousm/ DCYOUNGFLY - https://www.facebook.com/DcYoungFly1/ CHICO BEAN - https://www.facebook.com/OldSchoolFool/ JOE T. NEWMAN - http://www.ayoungplayer.com CHAD OUBRE - https://www.instagram.com/chadoubre/ LANCE CRAYTON - https://www.instagram.com/cat_corleone_/ J.O.N - https://www.instagram.com/heeeyj_o_n/ CRIAG GRAVES - https://www.instagram.com/craigshoots23/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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There's nothing behind the sheriff we don't want, right? You listen to Marvin Gate? Yes, sir. Yes, sir? Michelle Obama, Harry Tubman is up there. You got Angela Davis. Then we got us, of course. Yes, sir.

Barton and Malcolm and Barack Obama. Okay. Yeah. Can you have titties behind you? We got titt back there. But they're artistic. They're not new. We're good.

I promise. We should turn it upside down. They never know. They'll just look like knees. Whatever. I'll be here all weekend, man. Y'all forgot them, comedian. Hey, welcome back to the 85 South Show.

Yes. Hey. I've been saying it for a long time. I guess I spoke this, you know, into existence. There's literally about to be a new sheriff in town. I've been using your title. I didn't know that you was going eventually be here. You got to see it right though.

When you say there's a new sheriff in town, you got to see his name and his name is Pat LaBette. Here's a new sheriff in town and his name is Pat LaBette. What's going on, man? First of all, congratulations. Yes, sir. You here to speak up again, man. It's runoff season.

It is. It is. And first of all, thank you all. I mean, it's been amazing. We had a chance to talk outside. The things that you all are doing was I had no idea. Right. And so I told somebody earlier, I was bragging on y'all since I met you.

And I am absolutely honored to be back. Man, it's an honor and the privilege to have you back, man. Yes, sir. Because now it's getting real. It is. It's a runoff. That means that, hey, it was, you're right there. It is.

19 days. This is the next step, man. So after you're going through the initial election process, Because my first question would be, did you go back and make some notes and retool your strategy and what are you doing moving forward for the runoff process? So we did. I mean, it's almost rinse and repeat. You know, I was running for almost a year and a half.

And so we were very thorough about what we did and intentional. And so the plan worked. It's hard to beat an incumbent. When you look, though, 100,000 people in Fulton County intentionally did not vote for the incumbent. They intentionally voted for change. And that's what the whole platform is about, is about change. And all the things that are happening in our communities, it's time for change. It is time.

And we need new leadership. So timing is perfect. I say it's divine intervention. Right. And it's time for change. That's what's up. Now, the runoff process, is there any difference in the runoff than it was in the initial election? Well, the initial, there were, and there are some differences.

There were five candidates, right, including the incumbent. But more importantly, there were literally a hundred and plus precincts that were open. We only had six early voting locations. So I do want to applaud the Fulton County Elections Department. Early voting this time is actually 20 different locations, including the largest in the southeast at State Farm Arena. So that'll be huge. But there were also 47 items on the ballot. Now they're only four.

So it's down to the nitty gritty. Right. And so less than 50% voted for any one candidate. And so now you can win by one vote. And so every vote counts. Okay. Yes, sir. So. Now, you, you've been that you're running for sheriff, you know, I mean, and I know, I know, well, I come from a D.C., you know, we don't have any of that. So is there a difference in the way that you have to police down here versus other, you know, inner cities across America? Is there a difference in your methods that you can apply being a sheriff versus. is just being a, you know, a high-ranking police officer? Well, to your point, right, the sheriff is elected. And so police chiefs and police officers are appointed by the mayor. There are 15 cities inside Fulton County. Fulton County is one of 159 counties in the state of Georgia.

So it dates back and centers to the point that it is one of the largest and most powerful associations in the state. And so the high sheriff is considered the person that runs the largest, sheriff's office as well as the Atlanta sits in Fulton County so there is a difference all right you you are allowed to swear people in as deputies don't get any idea but I'm just trying to get immunity there's any way to sign up for immunity but but some of that but the sheriff should set the tone for policing all right set the tone for law enforcement across the county and you know There are 15 cities, as I said, inside Fulton County, 15 different police chiefs.

And so we have to do a better job in our community of really listening to our community, but at the same time organizing and making sure we're thoughtful about what we do. Right. I watched the last interview that y'all did, and it was very interesting, and I had so many questions just watching it. Where I come from, there's a high recidivism rate. Like, you know, when guys get out, they go right back. And I think a lot of that is because there is a disconnect between the people

enforce the law and the people who have the hardest time, you know, abiding by it. So being as though that you are looking to be the new sheriff, what do you think that you can do differently to make sure that when guys come home, they are useful to the community? What programs you think you can implement being as though you have that, you will have that power to give guys that come from the neighborhood that are, you know, impactful inside the neighborhood, to give them something realistic to do, to keep them active and keep them from going back and also use that influence to keep that the other young people from going back? Well I think it starts before an

individual gets released and so as we discussed last time I spent 30 years at the City of Atlanta Department of Corrections the last 10 as chief and one of the things that we did was create a partnership with the State Department of Corrections with the number one reentry program in the country so we have people and sheriff's offices and police officers across the county and across the country trying to figure out what we did and what we did and what we did was create an environment much to your point where these young men had real jobs they become city employees so instead of leaving incarceration with $25 in a bus ticket we

have people leaving with $20,000 and $30,000 in the back and so they become city employees so I tell everybody they start literally start their retirement while they incarcerated so they keep the jobs and so when you come out you have a place to live you more importantly or equally as important is they now have some stability to not go back to those always so and I don't know if I said this last time and I know we were you you weren't here when we talked about there's a young man that sat in the back of the room and he said chief I never thought for but for this program I wouldn't even be able to buy my my daughter a prom dress

all right and so that touches you and it inspires you to continue to go through these programs and build programs like this and it was one of the most enjoyable experience in my 10 years as chief because we really affected change and that's what this was about this was affecting lives they started getting their medical insurance while they're incarcerated not necessarily for them because that's our responsibility but for their family all right so can you imagine a situation where a child hasn't had medical insurance because their father's been incarcerated and so for us it was about how do we prevent that until exactly to what you said is how do we

create a better system so when these brothers and sisters come out that they are in fact more equipped and to stay out and that so we've had zero individuals return back from the program returned back to to jail and then equally we have to look at we want to rest our way out of any of these problems and so we started reading with kids on the third grade level you hear all the time about the school to prison pipeline and how do we interrupt that pipeline and that's what it was sending officers over to to really engage with kids at a young age and hopefully they could stay out of jail as

well yeah makes sense i know he shouldn't go to jail for fighting that school that bill's character i think that's y'all really got to stop arresting people for everything like them kids need an ass whoop in high school so you can figure out that you are a good student and you're not tough Like I've seen ass weapons have a positive effect. Impact on people. I feel like everybody, if you get in the fight, both people shouldn't have to go to jail. Like, the motherfucker who lost you had to go for it.

Well, yes and no. You're like taking both parts, you gotta defend yourself. If you lose, like if you start the shit and you lose, then you should have to go to jail. Well, unfortunately it doesn't work that way. I know, that's what I'm telling you. But what I used to tell people when they get to fighting inside the jail was the winner we're going to send to court,

the loser we're going to send to the hospital. So, you know, somebody's got to go somewhere. Well, I know that growing up, being a police officer is not the thing to be. I'm talking about, like, if you raise your hand in my class room and say, yeah, I'm going to be the police. We're going to beat your ass at recess. And you see how much police at that bill?

That's what I was getting. You know what I mean? So my question to you is, what do you think you can do to change that narrative? like do you think that it's something that can be done to make kids not look as at police as the enemy and look at them as because we don't have any good experiences most of us don't have good experiences with the police I've had very few in my life that are positive to where when you see them that initial fear of oh shh they got me goddamn like how do you how do you feel like you can change that especially in the eyes of young people

because I feel like if it was more if it was cool or if they had some people to look at look at their work pool, then it would be started at an earlier process in their life so they can grow with the law and knowing how to enforce it amongst our people. And look, I get it, right? If the blue lights come on behind me right now, my stomach starts flipping, right, until they realize that I used to be with the city, right? It might not be good enough, they used to be shit, yeah, I'm telling you, but it goes back to something we talked about last time and when we talked about training.

right and you you asked me when what kind of training and will the training end right and do we and see I remember this you asked me do we train white officers to kill black young man yeah right and so that allows us these conversations allow us to evolve and so I would say now to that we need to figure out how to make the first conversation and encounter one that is not one of arrest and so that's why we sent officers over to read at the third grade level and and be a part of the school system. And actually, and you know how proactive I am.

That's another high school to read. Third grade level too low. Well, see, that's the problem. They're training them with the wrong shit. I can understand that. If I don't see no videos of black officers doing this shit, I don't see black officers going to white communities, whooping people ass and harassing them and they front for it. I've been in the neighborhood

Where it's like, damn, we already live In the most fucked up place we can live You mean to tell me we can't sit on the porch That whole police pull up Go in the house shit What else? I mean, it's like to the point Where these officers go into Black communities and provoke this shit

You know that we live in a crime-ridden place It's broken over here You think we need officers sitting in our fucking drive away all day watching us? What does that create? Well, the better opportunity is for us to have officers live in the community. But that makes it even worse

because now we broke and we got to live. Well, no. But what it does is build friendships, right? And so if you have an officer that's able to live in your community, when something happens, it's not unfamiliar to you.

And that's what this is about. It goes beyond community policing and into an area that allows us to be a part of the community. Well, we do have to act like with a lot of shit coming out about police officers doing all this that we did know.

First of all, police are not about to be living in our broke ass communities if they're making $200,000 a year. Let's be real. Well, let's be real. They're not making that. But they're making a lot more

than the average citizen to be living next door. It happens, because people live in nice neighborhoods, but I'm talking about the ass-wopens that they're, they're not trying to live in them communities where they go and do all this terrible shit. I think if you implement it, yeah,

if there was a program implemented to where if you become a police officer, you are obligated to live in these communities, regardless. So don't become a police officer if you're not willing to live amongst the people that you're policing. If you have a problem with that, then that automatically shows

that you're not fit to be a police because if you look at a community and say, I ain't standing over that dirty, motherfucker? Then that means that you have an idealism of what these people are. And there's no way you can really police them if you don't have an idea of who they are as a people. So I think it should be... I think we start earlier than that. And so you look at what the Atlanta Police Department is doing with the at-promise center.

And so every recruit, so we don't say at-risk, right? It's the at-promise center. And so we look at the recruits actually having to, I won't say due time, but serve in those communities as their recruits, right? I think it's unrealistic to say that everybody has to be in that community because we all want better, right? We also want a better community. The question becomes, how do we do it?

And so the Atlanta Police Department was very forward-thinking when they built five houses over in Vine City, right? And went through a selection process of making sure officers that wanted to be in the community, we're able to purchase those homes, have to stay in those homes, right, but then they are part of the community. So we have to do a better job of that. And then the other piece is a lot of officers can't afford to live in town, right? I mean, they don't get paid to $300,000. That's, that's a good stretch. And I think that creates a level of, a level of, you know, problem is problematic because the budget of billion dollars.

You know what I mean? That's Los Angeles. You're actually right. It's like, I just think that it's the enforcing of the law that's the problem that I've experienced because we don't get taught the law. We just get it enforced upon us, the people who look like us. Nobody's coming into the community. You can come read on a third grade level, but there should be some programs offered, in my opinion, offered by the police where you can come and learn the law and learn your real rights to where you know if your rights are being violated. Because a lot of times we don't know our rights are being violated and we react based on just natural instinct and then end up breaking the law within that. So I would challenge you to say one, you're correct, but there is a citizen's academy, right? So let's be a part of it.

And that teaches you everything that you just spoke of. There's a sheriff's academy and there's a Citizens Academy, Citizens Police Academy. So we want to build those relationships and it's about spreading the word because people don't know that. right and it's a eight nine week course right that you have to be committed to but at the same time it allows us and one of the things i said last time i was here is i want to make sure that the community and and law enforcement the gap is is bridged so quickly because it's necessary to do that right but what that means is i become sheriff elect on august 12 right i'm going to take a couple of weeks. I've got to give my wife her time back.

But come September. Reclaiming my time. Yes. Absolutely. Right. So if you don't, you're going to have more problems than this share. But come September, I want to have these communal conversations and be able to say what is the issue. And one of the things that came out of our conversation

was how we train. And so I think the focus needs to be on not the physical part of it, but how we change the mental training to say I'm not making an arrest my job is to figure out how to help you get home tonight right right and if we put that first then watch some of the things that go away and you said there's a citizen's academy so would it be possible let's say I you know I'm going to the citizens academy I'm a learn the law like is there something that can be given to me

to show that I'm I completed the citizens academy you motherfuckers is tripping I know my rights like and if you violate me and I know that you know I didn't completed the citizens academy me, then that mean I should be able to get you something that you can't eat lunch for a week or something. I don't know what it is. Hey, this has been the question that everybody keeps raising. They keep saying about, well, all cops are not bad cops. Like, where are the good cops intervening in the bad cop situations?

I think you have to make that a new training tool, right? You have to break that. You mean you got to train people to say, hey, they're fucking up. do this to everybody else but if you see it with somebody you work with you know what you have to do is break that cycle okay right and and you have to break that mentality and people have to understand blue wall of silence right see yeah you know you said that and it was so eloquent to the point that we need to make sure that you are no longer able to stand by why somebody and doesn't matter who it is right is committing a crime right and and george floyd happened after we had our conversation right

That was murder. There's no other way to look at it. Right. And I have said publicly that the officers that stood by and watched that deserve life in prison as well, right? Those things have to be not necessarily talk to your point, but exposed to say it's okay to really intervene. Well, why is it like that? Why isn't that already implemented? If they know that there are bad cops doing bad things and there are good cops doing good things, I'm saying. to disconnect at the police station, not the people. What is the culture that these people feel threatened to say, hey, you can't

be killing people, we got to take the heat for this. The same mentality as the streets to me. Exactly. But what I'm saying does, is like, if you're going to go out and you're going to take the same heat for some shit that you have, you don't want to be, like, you don't want to be bunched up with the bad apples. Where is the disconnect? It's like

these people over here ain't taking that shit. But you have to make sure it's okay. You have to make sure it's okay. And here's the thing we've got to keep in mind. A good cop. Nobody hates a bad cop more than a good cop, right? That's hard to believe right there. Well, when you have people, and this is the thing we have to get to, we have to get back to the community to make sure people understand that our hearts are bigger than our badges, right? And as long as we keep that in mind, and it starts with customer service. So, and we have to, and you asked me last time, how do we, not necessarily train our way out of this, but how do we

retool this? Right. We have to figure out how to fly this law and forth. an airplane and rebuild it at the same time and it starts with these conversations right a lot of police chiefs a lot of sheriffs people scared to come in here and have this conversation but this is a real conversation right and as long as we can have a real conversation then I get better we get better right and and we can close that gap right now I know that it's a disconnect between the way the law is enforced amongst us and everybody else and I learned this firsthand in my neighborhood that I live in now. It's a majority white neighborhood.

You better move. I know, right. It's crazy. You're going to get the fuck out of there? Some neighbors, some neighbors that live, you know, across from me, had a full-on domestic dispute outside in the front yard. I'm talking about fists fighting. Fuck you. You put him an alcoholic.

I mean, it was going down. And the police never came. They never came. They never, I don't know if they were called or not, but they never showed up. I know if I'd have been outside aggressively helping the motherfucker, the police would have been called. So we're in those situations, how do

you find a solution for the difference and that the imbalance between the law applying to everybody else and black people? So let me start here. If you saw this occurring, right? Was somebody

feeling threatened in the conversation? Yeah, I'm talking about that white man rage. It was going down. So fuck you asshole. Come at me, bro. I was very terrified. But I was afraid to call the police because I know if I called the police they're going to fuck with me. That's the way I feel. And you feel like that and that's the perception,

right? But I'd call the police. No. I'd call the police. That is against the law. It ain't a black man in this room. That is against the law, man. As a black man, you can't call the police. For nothing. For nothing. Because it's like you get

to a point and this is just from experience. I got uncles and my father was murdered, uncles murdered, uncles in jail, cousins in jail, countless numbers of friends who suffered the same faith. And we know that if something is going on, if me and this guy get into a dispute and the police are called, then everybody else who's present is in danger. Everybody. It doesn't, I can't, as a black man, I can't feel like all these black men and you, the sheriff, nigga. I feel like if somebody called the police and they came in here now, we're still in danger with the sheriff in this, motherfucker, because we all black men.

And people feel like it's too many of them for it to be safe. There's no way I can handle this situation safely without calling 19 cars. And, I mean, you got a gun. Every police officer has a weapon. So I don't understand why you need 19 different police officers to show up to diffuse a situation between two people. So let me ask this. Would you have felt more comfortable if there was an officer living in your community that you could lean on? It depends on how cool we is.

Like, you know what I mean? If I smoked a blunt with the nigga one time, you know what I mean? And we had a conversation about some shit, you know what I mean? If he was a cool dude, then maybe. But other than that, nah, because I know it's like, this is the way I feel. I, you know, I don't come from a city with gang banging, but the police is in my mind the biggest gang in the world because they all got guns. They're the only gang where everybody is strapped. Every other gang, you got a couple of niggies that got some guns.

But the police, everybody's strapped. And they're not just strapped with a gun. They got a gun, a billy club, a taser, that slapstick shit that they use. It's your whole, you got a Batman belt of fuck a nigga up. That's just the whole thing. But to your point, right? That tool belt, what we need to add to it is the ability to say my first reaction in every conversation. right after you know the scene is safe is how do we diffuse or get you home safely if we add that to that tool belt right from training it has to be repetitive we add that to that tool belt then i know i shouldn't be reaching for my gun when this is my next door neighbor right we got to figure this out and so my question is this what's your suggestion my suggestion my suggestion personally is i don't think

that you should be able to be a police officer if you're scurried and police got to stop creating crimes too yeah and if you're like when i say creating crimes it's like if they show up and they say what's the problem let me see your license you are who you say you it shouldn't be all that extra shit all that hey man look you're gonna see no problems going on over here please go find the murderers and the crooks and the motherfuckers don't just take me to jail because you got a whole bunch of Black people over here, it's some shit going on. Like, once they're there, they came to take somebody. That's my point.

They don't get in the car and leave. But that's my point. We should make the first encounter and the thought process of it's not a crime for us to be here, right? It's not a crime for us to be here. But on the other side of that, like he was saying earlier, once they come, though, somebody going to jail. We had to have to change. Right. But now, here's the time.

Most of the time they show up because somebody called them. Of course. But we want to stop all these phantom-ass calls, too. Because if we out here kicking it and we know ain't no neighbors, what ain't getting these calls from? But you can go back to every 911 tape. I don't believe that now. I don't. And I feel like you shouldn't be able to be a police officer if you're scary.

And what I mean by scary is you see these reactions in these situations. these innocent people, unarmed people to kill. And you see the reaction to when somebody is shattered. When they pull their gun, it's just, ah, alright, put your fuck in, and you can just tell, man, you're scary. You know what I mean? You are scary, they should be,

fuck a questionnaire. You should be put in random situations throughout your training with some shit just happened. Now y'all gotta set it, you can set it up to where it just be the police and y'all do it amongst each other, but when a motherfucker born in his house, you had two motherfuck, Jump out the bushes on his ass.

Oh, I got it. Y'all love training so much. This training, all right, you should, if you want to be the police officer, you got to go to one of these little redneck ass Georgia counties with a gun in the car and then get pulled over by their police so you can see. Yeah, that's it. The police got to go through real police. You got a real police situation.

I'm talking about some police who don't know nothing about this police academy. They're going to search the car and violate you and treat you like, a regular citizen. Then when you come back, if you still want to do it, then you're going to be the police. And we're going to stop acting like police just be by the book, too, Pat. You know they, you know they be doing people dirty.

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Those things happen. So you put them in this environment where the training is just as you said, right? You're not jumping out the bushes, but their car stops. Those are things. Hit me out. But if we put them in a situation that the community recognizes, just as you just said, right? You continue to train in that fashion. But here's the other thing is that many of us have kids, right? I got a 21 and 22 year old, right? Man, black grown men, that I wouldn't give a good. gun and I certainly wouldn't put them out 11 at night to 7 in the morning and send them to the worst parts of town so we have to reconfigure restructure so we got seasoned veterans right so that those things don't happen

then the other thing and I offered this to you and Tyler from the Tyler Chronicles is that as I become sheriff one of the things we can do and I'll make sure you involved too Chico is include you all in the training

right so that you can experience it to the point that you remember when I said this I ain't going for no taser shit it's going to be real charged well I got it right but you got to be hit with a taser in order to carry one right

I don't want you got to shoot me you got to ride that lightning what I got to do to get a gun then you don't get shot to get a gun well that's that's stupid but the point being is and I've said this do you remember men in black

when when Will Smith went in there and he shot the little girl during his training because she had boots on etc where there there are opportunities for us to put you in high stress situations where these uh these instructional machines actually shoot back right so i want to take you go bring you into this instructional machine and and have this high pressure situation put together and see how you survive the situation and so to that point we did we did that with a couple preachers a couple pastors that who would always get out in front of every shooting. And now you see them

will be a little more sensitive because they went in there and killed. They're about in the room. Right? Good guys, bad guys. They're shooting everybody. Right. In the name of Jesus.

But we have to do that, right? And we have to get in front of the conversation so that you and I can really build that relationship and then tell me what we're doing. We can do better, right? And tell me what we're doing wrong. And then when we do that, we grow from it.

And everybody will tell you, anybody around me, I'll give you my number before we leave. And feel free to call me. And when you see things that are right, wrong, and different, right? But the first thing we got to do with the sheriff's office and set the tone in law enforcement in Fulton County is focus on customer service. Have you had to deal with that late night call from one of your sons calling you about getting pulled over and you hear it in the background that clearly being violated and turn the goddamn phone off? And here's the crazy part, here's a crazy part. Unlike the incumbent, right, I have to have that conversation repeatedly with my son about what to do when you're stopped, all those things. What should you do when you're stuck?

I ain't know where in the world. My daddy would be the sheriff and I got to worry about what I do when I get stopped. It's you to fire. You got me fucked up. You see my grain ahead, nigga. That's that LeBot, nigg. You got me fucked up. You got to run my fucking license again.

No, you better run it again. You see the name on the back of it. You check the ad. For real. Until you're in Nashville and your son calls you and tells you he's on the side of the fucking road because these cops have pulled him out. They don't care nothing about you. Right. They don't care nothing about you. Now they let him on his way. Let me be clear. But see, the painful part for me is he doesn't tell me this until I get home, right, until he gets home, right? And I'm like, son, why don't you call me? Right? So that one, every time they leave, I cringe and that's one of the things

that we have to learn to unwind and unpack. So you're right. It is, while that may seem like an easy answer for him, right? But he's also trying to build his own identity. Right. But it happens. It happens. And it's unfortunate that it happens, but we have to figure out

how to reverse that trend. Now, I know, you know, just how does it just happen on one side, though? That's what I was just about to say. It's not a trend if they only doing it to certain people. And this is what I'm not just a random act of, hey, you've been violation and you're being belligerent. This is the procedure. And this is not, this ain't just motherfuckers talking.

Like, everybody in this room could tell you a handful of the times where it's like, all right, this is it. We didn't went through the whole, you know why I pulled you over. I got your license. they see that we're good now here comes the dirty part they're going to do something extra that ain't got shit to do with none of this we can go

from you said I've written a stop sign to now which one is it officer like well I mean look let me be honest with you there is no transparency they tell you we'll get to that part later that's the old that's the procedure but we got to change that

and to your point to your point when you say everybody in that room that includes me. So I had my badge in my back pocket and I'm up there in Cobb County and I'm 20 years old. You see how every black man here that no Atlanta starts shaking and like

who you're like doing? What you're doing that's right? That's right. That's right. But I'm 20. I wasn't running for office at the time. Right. And to be treated the same way you just spoke of, right? It gives me real life experience to say once I become sheriff we've got to change that dynamic. Right. We got to change.

We got to change it because, you know, our youth and the people that are protesting are demanding quality service. We have to be able to deliver quality service. And it starts with customer service. And so the one thing about me that you'll find is different than most, especially different than the incumbent, I'll give you my number. I answer the phone, right? But what we teach, somebody, one of you just asked me a few minutes ago, what do we teach

in terms of our youth and our kids. We teach that you gotta survive the stop. You can't hold court on the side of the road. And so when my son called me from Nashville, and he said, Daddy, it got us on the side of the road. Listen, don't hold court out there. I don't need your videotaping. Now you can cut on the phone and put it down.

Let me be clear, right? To get some good documentation is what I call it. But you don't need to be really anti-police at that that moment, you first got to survive to stop. Right. Right? Because I know you've got plenty of good lawyers. Right. You got to get back to them first, though. You got to get them. You got to get, like you say, you got to get

past death. You got to survive. You got to survive. But just like you said, I know the procedure. And then Chico would tell you, I'm the, I'm the most thorough motherfucker when it comes to the procedure. Because it's like, I know how how one second can change into forever. A bad section. So it's like, even if I'm dead wrong. I'm not gonna fucking make this shit. But what you don't want to be is dead ass right.

But that's what I'm saying. Even if I know I violated in some point because it's like I know sometimes shit just happened. You may see the motherfuckers behind you. You may have swerved it. Yeah, hell yeah. I'm trying to make sure that it ain't shit in here that's going to make you take it to the next level.

I can take that because I know it's a certain violation. They come with a traffic violation. But then if we've got to go through the hole back and forth, then the shit then by the time the other motherfuckers come, now we got a whole ass whooping waiting outside, and we can't get out of the car at this point. Right. That's why I

buy the cameras in point. We know what levels that they operate on. So I try to keep that shit is, hey, you ain't got no problems. I'm a 37-year-old, grown ass man. We got the lights on. Look, whatever you need to look through, we're not even fend to do all that, go get the worn shit. If you believe it's in

here, it's your job to find it, Mr. Officer. But I'm just going to keep it real with you. It's not in here. like it's in here, but it ain't in here. Because when you hit the lights, I hit my lights, and whatever you're looking for, it's not here. I got you.

I'm trying to be honest with you, but if you want to waste your time and search this car, you can lift the hood. It ain't in here, Mr. Office. It smells like it. I know that, but it ain't. It's a lot of people, you know, that don't want change and want things to say the same.

Right. It's important game to them. There's a lot of people who are totally fine with the way that the infrastructure is set up now within the police department. So how do you plan on standing up against those people? Because unlike us, they have, you know, monetary resources that they pool together. Yeah, they have numbers. They have resources.

And they come in with the, with money and they demand. And union. We don't have, unfortunately, we haven't been given that opportunity. So you being an advocate for. you know to change how do you feel like you're going you know speak truth to power in those regards so there are a couple things that have to happen first i got to get elected right yes so we got to get out and vote that's that's the important thing right um but i'm not scared of that piece a matter of fact somebody an actual city council member asked me he said you're not scared of of

the changes that you're proposing and some of the powers that be i'm not scared of that i'm not scared because their community, our communities, want change. And I want you to be able to hold me accountable, right? So if a sheriff deputy stops you and you get less than professionalism out of the conversation, whether you were right, right, right, I want you to be able to pick up the phone and call me and say, hey, Pat, listen, this is what happened, right? Because if you hold me accountable, I can hold them accountable, right? And it starts to change the system.

I want everybody in this room to say, you know what? That's my sheriff, right? That's my sheriff's office. And I'm proud of what they're doing. And they're going after these real bad guys. I got a question. I think the difference is, like, you saying you want people to say, that's my sheriff. But the reality is, in our communities, we want to look and say, that's my nigga.

I got, but that's okay. That's my, because that, that, applying me. the police aspect to it makes it you on the other side of what we believe in. But if I look at you and be like, man, man, sheriff, he got me, man, that's my, that's my nigger right there. He ain't going to let nothing bad happen. Like, and that takes a level of effort to create that amount of trust in our communities because it doesn't exist.

Like so I think that a lot of that comes from, like I said, just the police not having an understanding. I don't, I've never seen a black police officer and been like, man, he's going to treat me different because he looked like me. And not even being black, but just a police officer. In general, me and Lowe's got pulled over, what was we in Indiana? We got pulled over in Indiana. And the police came, it was one police.

And then when that second car come up, you already know, we're going to jail. But then when I saw who got out the car, it was Carol Baskins. She did not look like an officer. You know like the lady who do the paperwork? I just think they sent her, because they were short-hand.

She was not. But the way they treated us during the stop. I mean, they stood us up against the car ran all through our car. One of the officers trying to take my hat off. Wow. You got that on their tight, don't you. Did you wear a cheek on head. They grabbed my hand on it.

Like, just violated my personal space and violated our personal space. And then you know what we got? All right, man, well, in the great state of Indiana, don't do this down the third going about your way. I don't have any way to go to say, man, hey, man, I'm my personal rights. to grab my hat. It's a very sensitive part of my ensemble. I don't like that shit. What can be done about officers out here violating motherfuckers' personal space?

Like, is there something that could be done to where in the communities, if you violate somebody and they have a valid complaint about being violated by an officer? Is there something that can be put in place to where they have to come into the community and really serve? You've got to come around here and cut grass for a week for free. Now, let me ask you this, though. What happens with these officers complaint? Like, what happens after somebody makes a complaint

and then they do the investigation the same people who are fucking violated? What happens after? So the question becomes, in this scenario, is the investigation sustained? Right. Is it, if the investigation is sustained, people are suspended,

right? There are people that get fired because of it. These things happen. A lot of people simply don't hear about it as well, as, you know, We hear about the shootings, we hear about the rest of that. But what we want to do is create an environment where complaints are, one of the things we had at the city was an anonymous tip line, right? And you actually go through, well, we know what the whole concept is in our neighborhoods, right? We have to break that cycle, though, and we have to be bold enough to say, okay, this is wrong, this is how I felt, right?

and let us deal with it. You don't really want people to tell y'all shit. People die. They gotta live in the neighborhoods after they didn't told everything. But you also want to be treated professionally. Let me ask you this. Georgia is well known for being a hotbed

for hateful activities. Like the KKK still has a presence in Georgia to this day. What is law enforcement doing about the that. This is like a legit terrorist organization for the last 200 years. So it's a couple things we've got to keep in mind and we mentioned this earlier. Georgia was created as a prison state, right? When the colonists came over, Georgia was a prison state. So it never has fully evolved from that, right, in terms of the number of incarcerations, etc. But at the same time, do you say that these individuals are, whether it be the Ku Klux Klan

or skinheads or whoever, right, have they committed a crime, right, that you can prove, right? Or is it the Black Panther Party? Have they committed a crime that you can prove? So the commission of a crime, regardless to who it is, is one that should be investigated thoroughly. Well, but that's the thing. We might not have committed a crime that they can prove, but we definitely do crimes they can make up. You know what I mean? They can make up a crime.

Yeah, we're saying to do that. I think I act like you've got to do something. I know so many motherfuckers locked up for doing nothing. But to your point, right, we have to change the mentality that goes along with, I've heard police officers say over the years, if you follow a car long enough, you can find a reason to stop it. That sounds racist as hell. Well, not necessarily racist.

It doesn't matter which car you follow it. But a good police officer can find, and I don't mean good, from a moral standpoint, with someone that is technically sound can find a reason to stop that car if they're technically sound enough to do it. We've got to change that mentality, right? So what, your tail lights

broken? What's wrong with me coming up and saying, you know, she'd go, hey, your tail lights broken. Nothing. That would be awesome. So we've got to change the mentality. We've got to change the mentality. Yeah, I mean, because... How many times do you think they're going to let you slide? You get two of them broken tail lights.

Now your lights are suspended. When are you going to fix your tail light? Now you get pulled over and your ice is suspending your tail light out. This is felony charged now in Georgia because they got the new law, two tear lights, and you're out of here. You're making up laws. Shit, that's what you all be doing. That's exactly what you all be doing. You know, it's like, though.

Look at the police laughing. You know, it's a piece of that that should be accounted for too. Like, you know what I mean? the police is supposed to serve and protect you know i mean and i think they didn't never say what they would serve and protect and that's exactly just two words that that is used that describe the police and what they're supposed to do to serve and protect but they might want to change that if i get pulled over with it with a tail light you know what i'm saying or whatever it may be where i come from should be taken into account oh this person lives in the neighborhood that i know

is you know down-trotting and messed up so we're going to do something to make sure that you have the resources to help to show that it's not just about making sure that you follow the law but making sure we serve and protect you we want to protect you from having to like you said get me home in night you should put you shouldn't want me to go to jail like you shouldn't look for a reason as a police officer to get me in jail but like i said that program that's set up to where the money runs shit then they come in and say, hey man, we don't get a fuck about that. We need more of them guys in here

so we can make these license plates for 10 cents a day. What I'm saying? What made people ever think that to serve and to protect, they meant people. They're not, that's not what they doing. They serve and protecting the law. Stop thinking that shit is, they're not here to help you and be your fucking hero. They're serving this law.

You ever in the court? You know what they do? They serve you, them papers. They serve in the law. They protect them. a law. But we have to do holistically, we have to do a better job. Just change the slow. It ain't about you. We're serving and protecting law. We'll whoop your ass. Then throw a peace in and something. Just let people know what's

going on. I'm trying to make the shit sound better than it is. We got to change just like you said, right? I firmly believe it from a law enforcement perspective we have to be the olive branch. Right. And that olive branch becomes an opportunity for us to sit down and continue to have these conversations.

Yeah. And how we get better about it. I'm just going to let you know. Y'all want. No, it ain't about Yeah, it's the hell it is You know, it's about Your got all the weapons All the tanks All the shotguns

Rubble bullets All the bullets All the dogs All the fast cars Criminals don't stand A chance In this America no more It ain't even fun

It ain't fun no more Why Y'all overdo everything 20 police on one nigga Get his legs Get his elbows When you had a horse If your horse

It's nuts away from a motherfucker. Yeah, man, you remember cops and robbers? The robbers at least had a chance get around the corner, pow, pow, pow. Shoot a towel, three more blocks, and that shit end right there.

The helicopter showed up with a tank on it. Police blew a motherfucker up. There's nothing. Look, that is not an investigation. It was a suspect. Leave it below. What did you know, the interesting piece that you brought up a really good point.

And that is, how do we attract younger people to Law enforcement. Do you want more athletic officers? Well, they need to be, right? Oh, man. But how do we attract young people from our generation and from our neighborhoods, right? And I agree, we look at the military, but the other thing that we have to do, and I think this will help in our communities, is we have to do a better job of making sure that we can mentally unpack what happens on a daily basis.

And what I mean is, you know, for 30 years, the first time I got a psych test, psych evaluation was when I was trying to get a job. And so all the things that you see on a given night. I think the police you had to get them once a year, too. And that's my point. And see, that's something else we have to change. At least once, if not twice a year. Really? Or at least when an incident occurs, how can we

do a better job of getting services so that they can unpack as well? So say for instance, you win this election, right? When I win it? When do you win? I'm just hypothetically speak. I'm just liable. Let me live pat. Like, what a, how How would you, I don't know, what's this call, how, like, it's your sheriff's department.

What kind of culture since we were talking about the cultural? Right. What type of culture would you like to have in your outfit? What are going to be some of the requirements to work around or under, you know, Sheriff LeBott? And one of the things that I was able to do as 10 years as chief was start with customer service, right? My goal for everyone that was in my department and the same thing with the sheriff's office. If I cannot figure out how to help you as a customer, right? I don't care if you're a detainee.

I don't care if you get stopped on the side of the road, whatever it is. If I can't help you as a customer, I haven't done my job. If I cannot add value to whatever is happening, whether it be a stop or whether you've stopped on the side of the road. How many times has anybody seen somebody stopped on the side of the road and you see police officers and sheriff's deputy fly right by him? Right? I figured they have some more important shit. If the blue lights on, they ain't had nothing else to do, right? And my point being is that they should be able to help.

And this is the other thing that you hold true, is especially in law enforcement. It seems to be that people become more patient about 30 minutes before time for them to get off. Right? And so we haven't the police be switching shift. I can't tell you all that. Well, hell, you said they'd be more patient 30 minutes. You just want to know where that is. Yeah, so I can be out.

You know, the police switch shifts at 6 o'clock. So let's go on with this traffic, man. They might let us go or something. No, but my point is we should pack that all the way through our shifts. We should pack that patience all the way through our shift and add value. And so if every... Maybe the shift's too long. In some instances.

Or maybe we should go to 12 hours and give them more off time, right? So they're things that'll be able to do that. Oh, no. Y'all need no more benefits. Y'all got every... Y'all ain't getting shit else. How do you want us to attract good people? Well, they ain't about.

You keep using what you've been using. They, they keep them. But if we continue to do what we're always done, we'll always get what we always got. Y'all get too much shit. You got to be able to attract people. You got to be able to retain good quality officers and deputies. And that's part of it, right? And so one of the things that we have to do is be able to really create that attraction.

One of the things I'm going to do is create a cyber swat. team and it's what they already got that that's more police man no listen to me listen to me a cyber swat team with the average parents white ladies who call them the police see there you go where's their task force but you didn't you didn't let me finish all right let me hear I want a cyber swat team with the average age is less than 24 years old right so now we got young officers coming in in a field that in IT field right where they can go after these files all right they can go after these criminals Atlanta's number two for sex traffic for sex traffic right yeah we can go after these folks but now you

have recruited a younger force somebody to say I'm proud to be a part of the sheriff's office okay well we don't need an old force too for these old white ladies who call them police and everybody they need a task force too they what was they're nothing you're working on them for them we want we want you to to if you see something we want you to say so. But they make it up shit. You've seen the videos. All you got to do is be black. They call it and they're telling the police. They're out here and they're dancing and they got music and barbecues so everywhere.

Safe this, nigga, you'll ever meet in your life as a black bird watching. But check this out. She also lost a job. You're not close to have no barbecue. Right. But she lost a job, right? And he survived that situation. And that's the important thing. is that we have to be able to continue, you know, hope is not a strategy, but we have to really lean in toward making sure these conversations can change. I want you to let all the officers know that the black community is not anti-police, man. We just don't, we're tired of one side of the brutality and the mistreatment. If that's what the police is going to do, spread that shit around. Whoop everybody asks, violate everybody, don't just treat my community, mess up.

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you're fucking dickhead you didn't have anything better to do there's nobody trapping huh you couldn't go fuck up the trap where's dion drake pat come on give me your damn bash number yeah exactly gotta call my congressman yeah exactly you'll be out of work in the morning you'll never working this town again and that could be real and where is the task force for them but if we You get poured over and be like, what should you say officer? Get out of the goddamn car. Get out the car. You know what I mean? Put that goddamn phone down.

You know what I mean? He's got a gun! It's just the difference of the enforcing of the law. Here's the thing we got to keep in mind. A lot of this has been going on for years. I know. And I ain't mad because you ain't saying nothing about it to them, neither. Right.

Well, but here's the thing. I'm just making with you, man. It ain't all your fault. But you do be with them. You be with them. Well, here's the thing. And here's what you got to keep in mind. In leadership, you got to be able to accept.

the criticism right and then figure out how we we get better you have had to discipline the officer for like being a dirty officer I have fired people for being a dirty officer after the investigation though right

yeah I gotta give him due process you know he did it I got to give him due process okay right got I have fired people and civilians have brought them back to work wow because they said I was being too harsh oh right yeah but

I mean, those things happen. And these are a civilian review board of their peers, right? And when I say their peers, I mean, our community. I don't mean police officers or corrections officers. So you know, it would be like been at work and then just look around the jail and be like, how did they catch all of these black people and no way, folks?

Well, let me tell you something. When I first started, because I went, I'm from here, right? Went to Frederick Douglass High School. Every Friday night, I walk in there, I thought it was a class reunion. Right. And I would say, Right. It's 400 people in here. How come 15 away, right? Are people not calling the police? And that's the key, right? We call the police on each other. We're not calling the police because somebody's singing too loud in the choir, right? We call in police because something is happening. And we just have to figure out how to better serve. And what I mean is this, especially if there's a mental issue associated with it, right? We have to make sure. that we, I was going to say, armed with the resources.

But we want to arm in about, you got everything, man. I do you go say that. Y'all got boomerang, lasso. We got specialists. Y'all have not. They can come take care of our mentally ill. And so we have to get better at it. And that's the piece.

Indiana Jones. You know what I mean? But I know me, I always think, and this is a, you know, you know, we know you can't really, you know, say anything to this because it's probably going to be, you know, bad for your base. but sometimes I think you should be able to sell a little bit of dope man you know what I mean

see now you're pushing it man I'm serious I know it sound crazy but I mean come on man like pushing it come what the fuck come on I gotta go to jail for this bullshit

you know what I'm not out here trying to fuck the community up they do need to change they do need to change some drug laws though now let me be clear there's some good there's some good drug dealers

out there that look out for the community when nobody else will well let me be Especially if you're a responsible drug dealing you're selling your drugs to adults who go to work for their money.

All right, this is getting too political. I had you for a minute. I had y'all. But let me be clear. Let me be clear. If you break the law. Yeah. And I'm the sheriff.

And he's going to sheriff. Your ass is going to jail. He ain't going to jail. He ain't going to jail. You're going to jail. But you know that, right? I mean, I definitely know that. I don't sell drugs.

Yeah, neither do I. I'm not mad. I'm not mad. Because I'm impulsive. But that's what I'm saying. And I'm good at marketing. But hey, who needs some drugs? You're not going to drug.

You're not going to drug. Like, that's what I mean. Like, the leniency that is applied across to everybody else should be applied to us as well. Like, I shouldn't have to, you pulling up on me and catching me with something, especially as a black man. You know what I mean? You understand the trials and tribulations that we face in these communities. And a lot of that stuff is passed down. It's not something that we went and learned.

got it inheriting it was given to us so I'm saying that leniency that's given to Chad no disrespect Chad but you know you got that you know you got that Caucasian name they ain't gonna let him slide either don't chat straight but like the the leniency that's given to a Chad like look man hey you know I'm saying don't do this anymore all right I'm gonna take this from you I'm gonna let you go on about your way I catch you again it's over with like how do you is that not something that's realistic that can be done because that's how you create a difference in opinion about the police like okay they're not just trying to fuck me over for making mistakes that's how you change the mentality of a young person

but is that a mistake is that a mistake yes i mean is that a mistake i think it is because i know everything i did in the streets was just because of willful ignorance and me not knowing no better he wasn't selling drugs in the streets yeah but at a certain point that's where i was gone no he wasn't doing that it's all hypothetical at a certain point if you want people to have positive outlooks on the police. I know that if I'm a black man and I got a son and I'm out trying to provide, make a way and whatever way I'm doing it, whether it be legal or illegal,

but let's just say for conversation purposes, it's illegal. When I come back in the house and be like, man, Sheriff LeBett, man, he looked out for him. He's a good dude. I'm telling that to my children. Now they don't have the same mentality because you did something for me to help me

and not just punish me because I'm a mistake. Now you catch me again, it's over with. Well, here, and I got it, right? But hypothetically, I love them. Here's the things you got to keep in mind. What is untold are the number of times somebody has stopped somebody for DUI and said, do you have a girlfriend that can come pick up the car? Or you have somebody... Well, again, don't say nothing. I don't know. Right? Right? I don't know. Right.

Right. But at the same time, how do you sit and say this is an absolute, right? Because it's up to, it is, you're absolutely right, and what I'm hearing is it's the office's discretion. And we're not talking, and these things happen, because we're not talking about you getting stopped and you got 10 pounds

of weed in the car. I'm talking about somebody with a half an ounce of Reggie, and he's been selling this for six months. He's just trying to get the Reggie off. It's hard to sell. I got you. And then you catch me with my last, so I'm almost done. I almost got it all the way

off now and I get stopped and now I got to go to jail after all this hard work like come on officer you could take this shit I was about to sell it in but don't lock me up for the reggie so now the question becomes they don't lock you up how many of us said who I got away

let me start over with my reggie I mean that comes you right so the second time you're okay we're getting the rest of the second time yeah because that's on you if you if you one of the motherfuckers that's so horrible of a drug dealer that you get caught that should be your sign it's not for you champ.

You are bad at this shit. So you said the second time is okay, but not... If you ignore the fact that God gave you a blessing and you got caught and ain't go to jail and you get caught again, that's on you. But I think that there should be some form of leniency because a lot of these elements in our community, Sheriff, we don't have any control over these. The guns and the dope and all that was put there. We don't have the ability to be able to utilize these things on our own.

Like, these are... It's generational. Like, everything that's had... My father was murdered, so I grew up without a father in the home. Now, mind you, I was lucky enough to learn how to be responsible early, not to make the decisions that a lot of my peers made, but at the end of the day, I could have because there is no guidance there, and this is going on all across America.

So at this point, I think that that level of leniency should be applied to us because of the years and years of systematic oppression that have happened. and it's like I know that you are struggling with something that you have no control over so understand that I understand that so do I know that or I assume that I mean depending on the situation yeah I mean you got to know that like a lot of time that mind you you go to the suburbs lock all that motherfuckers up they deserve to go to jail let me tell you what we're going to do when I'm sheriff it doesn't matter where we are suburbs inner city if you break the law your ass is going to jail but there are things that we can do better

right we certainly want to execute discretion we certainly want to use that but even how many times has somebody been locked up and say you know what I was treated professionally I knew you were going to say that this is what we got to change right and now I got an opportunity

now I got an opportunity so both sides to that and certainly I don't compare and certainly your father being not in your life because somebody else took them my father wasn't in my life in my life because of my choices but his choices right and so but the point being is I had to figure out am I going to carry that anger around or I'm going to figure out how to do better

right and to your point look I was a left turn away from making some bad choices right and that's what I'm saying sheriff like that process that you go through you're going to slip and bump your head and that process of figuring it out because the options for us to do of the things that we can do are very slim and limited but that's why in that process if you know if you see that this environment is treacherous and this person is trying to make uh you know sense of whatever their reality is and you come in contact with the police there should be some sort of discretion or you know just empathy towards these people to where you say hey young a young man come me man I know what you out here doing I know what you got going on look I ain't

gonna back you over the head but I'm telling you man I'm going I catch you again and if I catch you out here again you're going and that right there does so much for police interaction and I think it would do so much for police interaction in our communities because you know that you not just dare to like you say serve and protect the law you really here for my best interest and and you're proving to me that I can trust the fact that you actually care about my situation. Right.

They got too many cold words to like where there's a high concentration of black people. I don't like the words and the verbiage that they use to try to make it seem like there's always a clear and present danger. Like they always say crime infested communities. What the fuck is a crime infested community? But that's why we got to get in the communities and be a part of the communities. right so you can have those conversations I tell you more often than not But do you know a lot of times that those presences

make shit worse because it adds to the tension and the pressure and the struggle of trying to get out of this place and then you're doing what you have to do and trying to survive this environment and then there's this constant

presence of if you have this into action you know that this is going to go bad just because you're where you're located and you're in what you call a high traffic, crime-infested community, which really just means where black people live. So let me ask this, right? And if we're in that environment, right, and you see me walk up, what you're going to say?

Taking off. No, no, I'm saying, you see me walk up. Oh, oh, my bad. I was about to say, man. I don't mean, I don't mean the deputies. I don't mean a rabbit. They're going to have that in the system. You got to catch, Chico, baby.

I am on foot. We got a fleer. Right, but we got a fleer. Because look, if you, but that's what I'm saying, if we're in that environment and you walk up, I know you ain't looking for me, because when the sheriff come out, he's serving that big warrant. But the point I'm making, the point I make it is.

Exactly. See, I know process, Pat LaBette. I'm not even a criminal. I'm saying. If you walking around the neighborhood, you're going to have that shit on with that big-ass 40 and that one badge right there. Hey, Carlos, come here, how you doing? And now all the niggies in the hood think I know you,

and now you're going to be coming back looking for one of them because they're going to fuck me up as soon as you leave police and he spoke to that boy so but here's the question

right he spoke to that boy he knew them fault man he knew them fault man I knew that what police in hell but Loz how do we change that

I guess you got the bad one of them the police houses they financing and finance to that leniency through creating the element of leniency

in regards to our communities don't put nobody in these communities that don't truly understand what we're going through. And I'm not talking about the bitch-ass niggins out of the community that go be a police so they can come back in exact revenge. I got you.

I'm talking about somebody who really understands and gets what these people are going through. And if you're going to be in our community and you see the things that are going on, you know, man, this dude ain't out here doing this because that's what he want to do. And since they want to do that, and I'm

I'm not cutting you off. This is my last thing I'm saying, but like you're saying the police need to be in the community. It needs to be some kind of way where it's like if they're going put these officers in these areas and you know that it's crime infested and you know that it's impoverished, they need to go back and check with the residents and get a quarterly or yearly evaluation and take those, you know, those stories in their account with this officer. He's known for doing this. He violate people like this because that's how these officers become known in the neighborhoods for all the wrong shit that they do. Well, here's

the thing, though, right? And let's take this opportunity. Instead of being fleet of foot, right? Instead of taking off when you see me. Right. Right. We've had this conversation. So, Lowe's instead of you, you know, hey, you know what, ain't no point y'all running. I know Pat. Exactly. Ain't no point

so we can build that some point. We got to, you got the police too. You might have to run. If you caught me wrong, I might have to give you the chase. So I can get myself a chance. That's my whole point. So I can just take this fleeing charge instead of this other one.

But you just made my point, right? Well, and that's why I say conversations like this build trust. Right. Right. So if I roll up and, matter of fact, you're ready to jump on me tonight. Because you let him talk. You pulled up just like a street, dude. You just roll the window down.

You just roll the window down. I know you. I don't know him Now if I fuck around and then I talk to him He jump out he undercover you was there the whole time And I ain't never see you is But what made you comfortable enough to talk black? He was black What made you comfortable enough to talk? I just told you

He wrote it went it down you peeked through there You recognize me Yeah, I'm definitely not that dumb this ain't telling him shit You think you're going, How are you going to send the undercut? I know him. Wait, no, no. Pat!

You said in the community, bro. In the community. But let me tell you. You're going to bring your boys to my trap? Hey, hey. Oh, we're going to have a runoff. He tells the story because the first thing that happened, when that window rolled down, he looked, before he looked at me,

because we didn't know which warehouse was at, right? Right. I'll tell you the truth. He didn't. He wasn't running. I acted like I ain't know what he'd be talking about. He showed it. At 85, he was going to tell me how to get to 85. He sure was. Why you won't know?

What's going on? Did he recognize me? Oh, yeah, yeah. Which is my entire point. Right? Which is my entire point. He just made my point. If we can build that kind of trust just from one interview.

Right. And even now, then anything's possible. And I really believe, I'm telling you, that trust, building that trust with the officers comes with leniency. Because in the communities, crime is one of the only options that we've been given for monetary gain. And then you got to keep in mind, in the areas that we're living in, the shit y'all consider illegal is this way of life. That's what I mean. Like, so when you come into the community for me to be like, hey man, nah, my man, that's pat. He cool.

You got to really do something to make me feel like. like you cool and that entails for the most part as tough as this may be man let me slide man i'm fucked up right now i was out here doing something let me slide pat so so man my knee let me so so you super cop with a year damn you got to take everybody so how many kids you got chico i have with daughter right ain't no affair with daughters i don't like daughters but my two boys right you know you ever tried well i was guarantee say you ever had try try to have a conversation with a high guy, right? It blows.

But that was a bad question to ask you, right? I don't be talking to people that's happened. That's a bad question to ask you. Because they can't keep up with the conversation. So one of their friends was Hezekiel, right? And he came over to the house. And I'm trying to figure out, why am I trying to have a conversation with him? Right?

But it leans back to what you were saying. It's really going back to say, there's a better time to have this conversation. if there is no harm that can come of their friend right but now if there's harm or they have the potential to harm somebody else what's going to happen

you know so that's what I mean right but we have to build that trust because just as equally as much or equally as important as if you want me to trust if you want me to trust you to trust me I got to trust you right which is cool but I like I said

man I really believe there should be some type of you know whether it be under the table shit y'all don't snitch on each other and shit at the office so hey get the cops together that's like look man if you're gonna be over there you're gonna catch me some motherfuckers damn bad but hey let them rock if you know give them a shot to understand look we are here to enforce the law but i understand what's going on all the things you just said and explain to us they got the citizens program they got all these different programs you can go get involved in to counteract that so the fact that you didn't know i'm just gonna let i'm gonna consider the fact that you didn't know and me catching you up bad right now so now that you know there is no excuse

for you that for me to ever have to come back here and see you doing the same thing and i don't disagree with you but i think what happens is there are a lot of good officers out there a lot of good deputies out there where those things happen but it's not publicized yeah right and i can tell you that There are a number of officers that have allowed people to say, you know what? I don't want to tow your car, man, right? But your license is suspended, right? That's the only really non-discretional piece in the whole process of somebody going to jail, right? Your license is suspended.

Even with suspended, I didn't forget how to drive, baby. I still know how to drive. And that's what I'm saying. I got this. I got you. I just know that there's no debt. there's never been any lean as a whole. Some people might experience

it and might have been able to run into those officers who got a good heart and understand, but that is far and few between. We have to change. Yeah, don't waste my leniency on the seatbelt violation. Let me go when I did you. Let me ask you this, though. Do you feel like more, do you feel like officers know

the difference between criminals and civilian? Some, because I feel like some civilians are being treated like criminal. So here's the first thing I'd ask you, what's the difference? What's the difference? A criminal is the age.

Can a civilian be a criminal? That's his job. Can a civilian be a criminal? Yeah, the difference is getting caught. My point. My point. You are a civilian until you get caught doing some criminal shit. You just made my point.

Yeah, I'm in like a career criminal. Like, you're a criminal. You do this shit all the time. This ain't your first row of you. But it doesn't make you a criminal. But if you're a criminal tonight, you ain't a criminal yet. You just, you just wrote, you did some crime. You got to go to court and go to jail.

And then when you get home, then you're a criminal. Like a criminal then graduated through the justice system already. So here's what I prefer to say instead of determining if you're a criminal or if you're a citizen, right? If you are a repeat offender, right? And you, especially violent repeat offenders, here's the thing that we have to really, really focus on. See, that's what y'all should do. You should have the ass-whooping package for people who like violence

and get them some violence. But people who fucking up in traffic, they don't deserve the violence package. So here's what we're going to focus on. Get your ass whoop for going 97. Like, nigga, that's a nice car. You're going to beat me up because you mad. My shit fast?

Until you lose control of it and kill somebody. Until then, save the ass-whoop. The point I'm making is this. 40 to 50% of the violent crimes are created by less than 500 people, right? We know who they are. Whoop they ass, y'all don't mind going to people. I was doing shit

and violate you. The only way we start with that Lowe is when I get elected. There we go. So you mean that when you get elected, violent motherfuckers getting ass woke. I'm coming to see about you again. I stood in line for a whole hour and I was like man, they would pull by on the sprint event. They had your face coming up

in HD. I'm like, look at my boy with the line. skin clip pay the bet and i went to the library and i voted i make sure i got you know hey man we ain't gonna keep you in here all night because we can talk this shit out and you know you're family to us it's just like you know you the uncle that's the police now yeah exactly you know what i'm saying you're the uncle that's the police now man and we wish you much success and much like is any other questions from the floor any questions from the floor where can they vote where can they vote? Great question so early voting is already started so it will run My name. Early voting will run through August 7th, right? Early voting on a weekend, this weekend, and next, this Saturday, and next. The actual election date is August 11th. And so the largest place to vote, and we talked about it earlier, is State Farm. But you can certainly go to my website, Labat for Sheriff, and pull up all the early voting locations. Again, I do want to give a shout out to Fulton County. We went from six early voting locations to 20. And so over.

So over in Wolf Creek area, right? Right. They're reported lines of maybe take three minutes to vote, right? So they've done a bunch better job. We don't expect that, uh, pretty soon to be open. Your team did a great job getting your, getting your signs out. I've been seeing them all through my, through my neck of the woods. I appreciate it.

Everybody in the community, you got, definitely got a lot of support. And we appreciate you coming through the 85 show. I appreciate it. Anything you need from us, man, you just let us know. There's no, you're more than welcome to use our platform. I appreciate it. And even when after this and you win and you got things coming up that you need the community to be a part of, we definitely want to come out there. Well, I want you all to be a part of what the future looks like when it comes to law enforcement.

So next time, it won't be as a harder conversation because you all will be a part of the solution. Well, we had to make the second round harder, man, because we let you slide the first time. Is that what it was? Then we got through in the comments. They were like, man, why y'all are asking about prison? reformed and I was like we only had so much so now that we just was busting you up a little bit man I love you I love it I appreciate it it is how we'll get better yeah right and so certainly thank you all for allowing me to platform we were showing the people what kind of guy you really

are man and they know what type of gas we are so it's like we want you to act we want you to be in here answering the hard shit first because if you can deal with us talking like we talk and them press conferences and all that other stuff that's a blessing that's a blessing that's a blessing and certainly thank you all and if it's anything you need you know I'm here right let's continue the conversation one of them stickers

put on my light so they know to leave me alone that's all I want just that one when they put the flashlight it on if you even see it it's reflective just give me a couple of them there you go there you go so again I enjoyed it asked me what question to ask the officer when he pulled me over you know the lunch is at 6 o'clock this season.

Oh, wow. Hey, man, go ahead. Go ahead. There you go. The watchman is watching the watch what you watching? What? Pat, I know Pat.

Chicago. Hey, no, you'd be surprised. Most of the time, most of the time they tell you, you know, where you can call him from jail. Wow. I ain't even did shit. Yeah, because, you know, I'm not the sheriff

yet, right? We got to get there. We got to get there. And then the other piece is, we have to create a balance, right? We do want to be able to say to the officers and deputies, you know what? Thank you for doing your job. Yeah, we definitely. That's what they want. It's true. Before you go, is that what the police want?

Police want. Police want some praise. Is that what you're like, don't you like praise? I'm just asking. I thought y'all was so tough. That's what I want. Don't you like being told thank you. Oh, well, hey man, what have they done good, really? See, there you go. Do some. Do some. Now, where you, you asked what, what did they done lately good right so you look over even in the university area where several police officers

and commanders went out and did nothing but to those needy right passed out gift cards right making sure people had an opportunity to continue to feed their families right i mean it's how we rebuild trust that's decent that yeah we look but 85% is we need sure pat labat we need him to win because we don't want the person who do win to come fucking with us for fucking with him. Right. Right. That ain't going to happen.

Let's get them in office so we really be utilized. Because they don't have they don't have a platform like this to come to them. We know that we laugh and we're joking we comedians and stuff like that man but the people heard

exactly what they needed to hear. You're a real stand-up dude Padletabette and we wouldn't have it no other way. Let's do it, buddy. Ain't nobody else come on here and beat the police. You're the only one, bro.

Ain't nobody else coming. You're the only one That's gonna ever be who you are and did what you did. 85 shop show. My man, Pat LaBelle. Appreciate you, man. And we got your theme song already. Ah, I'm gonna need it.

I'm gonna have walk out. Yes, sir? Real, hello, Chico. Let's get the shot, man. Oh, yeah, let's do it. Hold up with my mask. Let me get it. You got your mask?

Oh, yeah. Let's do the Paddler Bad Man's, man. Thank you, brother. Joe, what's the time? 12-1. We got time for one more joint? All right, bet. Ah, come on.

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