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No And Russ got some pets up He ain't like when y'all was calling him Westbrook, bro. He ain't like that, Russell Westbrook. When he was at the Lakers, they started to call that man Westbrook. Oh, yeah. He didn't got right with the clippers, but... Y'all had Charleston White on y'all show, right?

Yeah. Then we did. That man crazy. He's very crazy. He knows what he's doing, though. He didn't get mad at him? He didn't get mad at him? He ain't get mad at me.

That niggins still be hitting me. Yeah, did the shit, got mad, they want to come back. He still hit me. But you know what's crazy, I think just the shock value is this generation seeing, we had a thousand Charleston whites, Ebyhood. That's what I be telling you. Yeah. Yeah, my older, we're breaking in and that, that's the thing.

It's the shit that Charleston White be saying rubbed, y'all. Yeah. My uncle get really shut y'all down. Yeah, every hood had that. Yeah, you're going to be mad as here. You come around the fan. This dude grew up with my uncle. He was one of the only gay dudes around,

like old-school gay dude. They told my uncle he died, he was like, yeah, well, just another bitch to me. And walked up and went through it. Hell down. Yeah, see, that's another thing, boy. You had to be bearing gifts to be gay in Hollywood. Like, you know, they were doing all the boost thing.

Oh, that's who will do the booster? Yeah, all the gay dudes. What? Because I know boosting big in Harlem. Y'all, that's how y'all got for us. Yeah, but they couldn't function unless they were bearing gifts. It's like, you can't even, like, you don't even got nothing? And you better get the go ahead.

Get your ass out of here. Hurry up, though. That's crazy. Yeah. I never knew. Yeah. A nigger switched down the block long because he got that Gucci. Yeah, when he's function would be like Brent's Village and all.

They would go down to the village. Oh. But they lived up town or lived there. wrong whatever it's just like they had to either be bringing girls around right that was another thing they had they had all the models they had all the bad girls stuff okay okay right so you know you wasn't indulging it either or then you were suspect like right around this thing you ain't get no food from them or you ain't you know what me and y'all the land of the paws huh y'all the land of the paws so I know I know y'all

You know, y'all was... They didn't invent it. Dame's just here a couple weeks who I'm talking about this thing. Dave definitely ain't invent that, though. He ain't invented? I don't know, Dan. He ain't invented no fault.

I mean, he's responsible for a lot of good things. But he ain't responsible for everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lord, when you hear some shit like this, though, like, you made this song. Yeah. Like, when you hear the instrumental,

but how long it takes you to put some shit like this together? This used to take me no time. You was quick? How long was this in the vault before it came out? Because it's one of them ones that came straight out. Matter of fact, I remember the first time Puff played this beat for me. We was riding down. We was in like in Midtown Manhattan, played a joint for me.

I was like, we're going to studio right now. You know what I'm saying? We're out of here. Yeah. You know, we're in a little bit of a little. I'm like, look, I don't even want to play right now. Like, let's go, you know, because it was my song. Because, yeah, I remember I wrote, I need a girl.

Yeah, you were right. I don't want to know. I see what Metro Boomer and them just did that over. I wrote that joint. I don't want to know what I wrote. Check them to be that song. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I see, yeah. I'm going to come. That's another thing, because I ain't never really been in the conversation when people start talking about the publishing and stuff. I always own my publishing. So I always had good business for companies.

So you always, how did you know it all the time? Well, before a bad boy, I was signed to Arizona. Okay. On a good deal? Yeah. So you got the business aspect and learned all that? I learned the business before I got in it. Okay.

Anything you didn't go into jump over the porch and be, you know, freestyle. Right. So we got to know what you're getting into. So it's a business. That's in it. Yeah. My buddy is. You know, there's a business.

I was just about to say, he's got the hook man right here. You can hook up one of these. This man here talented, man, he's talented, man. I don't even like, I tell them, I don't even listen to me. I appreciate it. You know what I'm saying? And don't get me wrong. Like, you know, I fight, I fight, you know, it's not a struggle.

Right. But sometimes I ain't going to owe you. I sometimes be less like, I was murder. So you don't want to get in the studio, pay? Nah, no. No mood? No ad, no. Dund?

Is it religious wise? Is it? What? What's music? Well, the instruments is what, you know, not permissible. Right. The voice is yours. He's given that.

Right. So like spoken word, poetry, stuff like that is permissible for Muslims. Right. But it's the instruments. Mm. Yeah, because the instruments, you already know. It's harder to get that out the alcohol. You can piss alcohol out of the system, but you there be a whole day.

Stuck. But I didn't have so much dumb stuff stuck in my head just from instruments. Yeah, and look, man, you can be going to a dentist and being an elevator that's and some bull of crap. So it's like with the sound ways, you've got to break it down to me. Is it something like the instruments, it's because it's being repetitive in your head and it's not worthy enough for you to consume? Well, it removes you from the remembrance of God.

So what you've seen historically is people try to. incorporate that into religion. Right. What I'm saying? But if we look at the essence of religion, whether it is, you know, during the time of Moses, during the time of Jesus, during the time of Prophet Muhammad. Jesus and his followers wasn't no band.

So them calling people to religion, they wasn't calling to them using music or using any other means other than what was given to them. You know what I'm saying? They had a divine scripture, and that's what they called the people to, what was legislated. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

So now when you start using alternatives, you know what I'm saying? That's an innovation. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Regardless how popular became in certain cultures, but it is an innovation, you know what I'm saying? So those are one of the things that, you know, in Islam we try to safeguard ourselves from.

There's anything that's an innovated act. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a statement, you know, from the Prophet Muhammad, he said, And athetha, for amri na haze,

my lais, men who for hurrahra. Whoever invents something into this thing of ours is not from it will be rejected. So whatever we're legislated from God, that's what we follow. You know what I'm saying? We command to trim the mustache, lead a beard, that's what we do.

Right. You know what I'm saying? So it's a religion to follow up. Because it's our innate nature to follow. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? We've conjured up independence and all these terms that really we can't uphold.

Right. Every creature is a need. Right. You cannot hold your bladder right now 24 hours. You got to pee. Got to go. You're going to pass out. Got to eat.

You know what I'm saying? We are creative. You got to do. You got to breathe. So when people are faster from food, I'm glad you said that. We got to eat. We got to eat. But when it's time, it's like, all right, we're going to do them 30 days.

Yeah. You know nothing. And it's just fruit and water. What is that? Well. Because you lose a lot. I know you're gaining something, but you're losing. That's a very personal.

act of worship, you know what I'm saying? Because people can see you pray. Right. People can see you, you know, give charity. Right. No one can see you fast. Right. So that's actually more intimate than he has to act.

That's between you and God. That's fact. I'm doing this and you know what's going to see me. That's fact. You slim anyway. It's like, damn. I mean, I want, I'm going to go on 43. You know what I'm saying?

You can't look at me like, damn. Can't nobody see you hungry. Yeah. We can see you the lost weight. Because I'm hungry. Unless you're just looking at people with day food. Yeah, but you can attribute weight loss to a lot of things, especially the hood. Right.

Come on, man. You got that shit or you on that shit? You know what? Fast it do help you mentally. It can let you know that you can't live without. And that's the thing, see, it increases your gratitude. Right. For small things. Right.

And you need that every now and then. Right. You're talking about personal family or this part of Ramadan? Well, Ramadan is actually the name of a monk. And in that month, every religious scripture was revealed. So even in the Quran, the Lord mentioned that fasting was prescribed for those before you. So that means that it was something that was prescribed in the Torah. It was something that was prescribed in the gospel, psalms.

These are the revealed books that we acknowledge them. Even though we follow the Quran, but we acknowledged that there were books that were revealed prior to the Koran. You know what I'm saying? So you'll never hear of Muslim burning or Bibles or doing nothing to disseminate anybody else's book that comes from, you know, that comes from the same God that we worship. Right, yeah.

So, you know. But yeah, it's just simplicity, man. Right. You know, we always raise the confusion. Some point you just got to get to a point where it's looking. I think I'm tired of being knocked. I don't know shit. Even though you ain't going to never know shit,

At that point, it's like, you're not, you know, you don't feel compelled to just want to go out and want to go learn something. You know, they try to make it learning like it's bad. You shouldn't wander or have knowledge of. You ain't got to follow it, but you can have knowledge of the fact. You see what I'm saying? You're like, they ain't got nothing to do with me. But damn, you don't want people just be talking around here and you don't even know who they are. That's the fact.

What they represent. Especially you frequent in a lot of different circles. Right. you know what I'm saying and what we come from you know that's a vulnerability come on now you know I don't want to be

right they'll pick you but then then then we'll also be the free pick because they know we don't know nothing or they may assume this brother

ain't picked up a book and he don't know who we are that's what I learned about Lenner see I've been nice since 2001 right so you know this joint

became a hub yeah so you came out of you came down here right when it was I was about a gym and

Club, shark ball, like, I was here when, you know. Wow, the second grade. Yeah. I was here when you couldn't, I mean, you couldn't get directions from nobody, you know what saying? Oh. So, you know, how you get this? I ain't from here, man, I'm from Detroit.

You know what I, I ain't here? I ain't from here. I'm from Chicago, you know what I'm saying? Everybody, like, in Buckhead. Right, right. You know what I ain't meet real man that niggas, so I got locked up. Oh, yeah, you're in Bucking here. I was in right, right, that's my name.

It was like, hi, hi, love the album. You know, as soon as I was in Wright Street That's where I met the real land Yeah, yeah You were just came in there Yeah, I just came straight in you doing Yeah, I'm hearing Yeah, I'm hearing him on the phone

Hey, show that I fucked up Showed how Jeff got out Shout out, you mean, I'm like Oh yeah Oh yeah You know what I'm saying Those were the real Right

You know Take us Take us back back Because we can't see him Act like you ain't that Nick We can't see him Act like you ain't that

I think people fuck with Mace but I don't think people understand like you was the suave nigger that I seen first you did what I said like take us back like how you you get with Diddy

and get on that scene man how you even get into the music that's a good question that's a good and that lead into what you had said earlier exactly yeah

well I used to I used to write a diary right You know what I'm saying? And how important is that? Well, for me, see, like, I was wild.

Like, growing up, I was wild. I ain't going to lie. Like, I got kicked out at almost every school I went to. I had a very intense temper. Right. So, in order to go to public school, I had to go to therapy, like four years. They wouldn't even allow me to go to public school.

But academically, I was sharp. Right. Couldn't put me in special ways. always using the behavior part. Yeah, the special ed wasn't just for people behavior, you had to have a learning deficiency. Yeah. So you couldn't just put me in it because my behavior

because academically I excel. Oh, they tried to do that to be. Yeah. So the compromise was I had to go to City College every Monday and Thursday for four years. Shit.

To get therapy. What age it is? Man, you're talking about shit. second grade, third grade, fourth grade. Like really, I think it started maybe around like fourth grade all the way up to like six, seventh grade. You know what I'm saying?

But what happened is, what I derived from all of those therapy sessions, I learned how to articulate certain things because I didn't know how to speak. You know what I'm saying? I didn't develop a voice to like later. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Like, people in your, you know, proximity I know, yeah, they're told all the time. But it's like, I didn't have it for everybody. Right, right, right, you know what I'm saying? So I dealt with things a little different. One way. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

So when I learned to vent, so to say, it started to suffice some of the anger issues. So I used to write it in three forms. Like I write it like I write it for a teacher, then I would write it like I wrote it for a nigga in jail. You know, you know, your man, you know, your man, such and such a thing. Right, right. And then I would write it and rhyme.

You know what I'm saying? So by time I went through that process, whatever was bothering me was over. So this every day, I mean, you're doing this for four years. And you doing three different... I did it after therapy. So you kept, but you was doing three different writing styles

damn to every day. Yeah. Yeah. And I concealed it from the people around me. So this is the kicker, right? One time, me and my man, I bought a car that was 10. tagged up.

But the dudes that did, they did a sloppy job. You know, the car got like three serial numbers on it. Right. It missed one. So I called a Grand Theft Auto Charge or whatever the case may be in the moment. And I left my notebook at the spot where I was getting money. You know what I left my joint in the spot. Right.

So my man found the book and he came to bomb me out, picked me up. And he started saying lines that sounded mad familiar. Right, right. So I'm like, yo, where my book at? but you know because it was a vulnerable moment it's stuff in there you don't need to be

no you know what I'm saying because like you know how it is like it ain't gonna make me look for nothing but you ain't pulled a note with his much shit you're like if anybody

anybody found out Tony Soprano was seeing a psychiatrist he had murder right so it was the same type of mentality for me like yo dude

hold on my book right but it started discouraging me he encouraged me he encouraged me he was like yo you're playing

like this is you know I'm like all whatever, man, it's my book. Right, you know what I'm saying? Phase four. Phase four, something serious. Yeah, we got that book.

Yeah, we can talk about it. Yeah. After the fact, this is my book. You know what I'm saying? So, that's what let me answer. You're going to actually read your shit, though. You locked up for some gangst and shit.

Yeah. This nigga at the house read. Yeah. I ain't going to lie. Diaries, I'm mad. I'm not interested. I don't know about six of them bitches. Yeah.

You know it. You know it, bitch. Yeah. But you know what it was relatable. But you know what it was relatable. It was stuff that me and even me and him had experience. So, like, for example, you know, we go get a whole joint from the Dominicans. Right.

The eighth of it go bad. In your mind, I want to go up and kill all the Dominicans. Like, you know, I got to get that out of my system. Right. So that's where the creative part came. So it was like it would be the first couple stages would be a reality, but the rhyme would be how I would have dealt with it if I could. You know what I'm saying?

And that's really what everybody else was doing. It's still to the day doing. You know what I'm saying? They glorifying or dramatizing what they feel they would do, probably do, do, they do, whatever the case may be. It's just you articulate in either emotion that's real, you know what I'm saying, an action that may have, you know, preceded the emotion, whatever the case may be.

But that's really was my reality, you know. So, yeah, it turned into a career. Because I was a ghost writer first. I never wanted to be in a camera. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because I was scared because, like, I was young. I toured with cocaine.

I was everywhere in different towns, you know what I'm saying? Going back to like 90, 91, 92. You said you toured with cocaine. Like it was a band. You heard. Well, I mean. But no, I know what you name. I mean, cocaine.

Yeah, yeah. Because it's on the cocaine. But, these are my, nickel bags. Oh, nah, like, what we had for nickel bags in Harlem, that joint would go for $20 in another town. Right. So, historically cashed no New York dudes. We was everywhere.

Yeah, that is. We still the flag anyway. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, my crew, we were disciplined, though, because, like, we ain't going to do no local girls. You know, dude probably been watching Lord Tosh since fifth grade. You come in town.

Come out of town. Like, it's messed up the money. Right. We had the time messed the money. Right. Swalinka, or Tunisia, whoever. I don't know who's out of you. I was straight to bring your own work.

Bring a little joint from home. Right. Yeah. At least you know she's family. Yeah. And she ride. Right. You know, it's out of town trip.

That's like going to, you know, Spain. You know, for her. She ain't ever been nowhere. You have been nowhere. Balls different. You can't believe you have to go. You want me to go with you? Then all the girls in the name, they say that say that word again,

because they like the accent. I knew york niggas do get the holes out of town fast. Just by y'all talking. Yeah, so when I used to ghost fight, like the first person I was ghost writing for was Shaq. It's like 95. Come on. You're talking about Shaq Diesel.

What you wrote? He was writing for Food Snick. He was right when he was. He was a Shack of Food? No, not that. Okay. Okay. You were like Shaq Diesel.

Don't tell me you did. You did it. All right, go ahead. It was the one I think Kobe was on. Okay, okay. Okay, okay. Kobe was on the song for Shay? Yeah, Kobe rapping this song one time.

Hey, y'all was trying to rap. All of them were around. They would never let that shit come out. That shit crazy. He don't even got a copy of that monster. But he had a long-air freestyle, then he was 100 bars or something, and the commissioner was like, nigger, if you don't.

That shit ain't even. Your shit can come out now. It's like, how dare you? Get the practice, you know what's here. And put a suit on. Take us to the studio where you recorded this shit. this shit. I've got to leave the hardcom. No, give me the computer. Oh, this shit got to go.

They take a hard drives and everything. Next day, that bitch was Dunkin' Dunkin' Dundra. What studio? I used to write, take the check straight to the dealer. The check's

it's got a universe on it. You're just like, huh? Straight to the car dealer. Like, look, man. Well, you know. Yeah. And then cats like, because like, I left the street for music. Right. You know what I'm saying?

So I subjected myself to a career that, you know, if I'm going to get it, that's how I'm going to get my money. Right. You have a ghost wrote some shit with somebody in the end of everything, right? Like, the shit is good when you do it, and then you hear. You're like, man. That ain't what I said. That ain't what I said.

I'm going to say, to be honest with you, I haven't experienced that. Because, one, I never wrote on paper. That process that I did. when I was younger, enabled me to do songs without having to write. I created a format that we all learned at school.

Right? It's a subject, I mean, settings, body, conclusion. Right. That's a song. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Unless you freestyle and then you, you know, because it's like people understand like when you format a song and this is I learned. That's why I said music business was a business. Right.

You know what I'm saying? It wasn't something. that I was love, receive, popular in my hood growing up, you know, I always was received. I never had to, you know, forge your identity, chain my hairstyle four and five times. I was trying to find myself that I was always good. So it was like, it was a study for it. And how do you become effective? You know what I'm saying?

And find your niche is to understand. understand what it is, you know you do. So it's like, I think a lot of people, like when you see like people that used to freestyle, I could take a line out the middle of your joint, put it at the top, and it wouldn't alter the song. You would never know, because they just punch lines. Right, okay.

But if you have a song that's flowing in a particular format, if you take something out of it, you altered the whole song. And that's the difference between songwriting and rapping. I felt like I was a songwriter. I never thought I was a rap. Okay You know what I'm saying I didn't have a manager with me

Like you'll kick the one about your grandmother Like I have a like no You know something you had to wind up nigga With it's my little nigga He'd speak more than the rap Like you'll kick that joint him right Right he only want the nigga to rap That's enough

All right Yeah Get that shit Don't get them niggas everything Don't get them niggas everything There's too much There's too much There's too much

There's a death jam There ain't no way you'll make Performing a song more than the Yeah When he gets you can't Porker Pines Pine trees Listen

Too much, too much The nigger rapper Be looking at that nigga like What he's doing? We're saving that, Forgetting you. You gotta have a hype man You ain't never gonna win

A battle rap without the hype man Facts, you need a hype man Yeah, and I ain't a lot That's how like I used to get on A lot of records Even when I came down here And I did the promise remakes What the heck of that?

Right You ever laid a person And you was too cool on that bitch Because you know you had the real Layback style You ever listen to some shit back? Like, no, I need to just go a little bit. So the one you did for Jack it in?

He was always rapping like, you ain't given fucking people liked it tonight. He's like, I know the shit good. You niggins, you got a western. I don't think you like it. I came for the bitches. But you see how he wrote it though. Now we see how he wrote it so he's already more confident

in his shit because he already knows I said the bitch. And when your verse came off, you got the fuck on. You were like, The song is core, I need a girl. That should be what you're talking. Talking about I need a girl. You know what I'm saying?

Because nowadays it'll be, I need a girl, and they're talking about spinning the block. Oh, kind of. Killing the opposite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The girl is the chop. I'm about to put a dick on my hoax. I'm about to bring my bitch down.

Wait a minute. You might put a dick on your home. Why? Why? Yeah. Is she okay with this? You watch it? That's a fact.

I need a girl, but I got to take these pills right now. I need a girl, but her 30. Oh, no, bro. That is crazy, bro. We need to win a weird time now. That's a good time. I ain't going to hold you. Like, you know, when I look back, and that's the thing with me, it ain't just the music.

Right. It's all-inclusive. So, like, a lot of times people think you could extract one thing and leave off the rest. for me that can't happen so it's even all of nothing okay you know what I'm saying there's no way you could remove

the base or something but you know still kind of indulging things that come from that base right you know because we all know that I don't care what industry you win

all these circles meet you know what I'm saying so that's why you see athletes getting in trouble That used to be taboo Like when I was coming in Hey I was the only one Cornrows, tattoos And he ain't do nothing but when he was at

High school In high school it happened and it's like That ain't got nothing to do him He only did cornrows and tattoos They tried to big see him out Well he had the little case So you know That was old though

That was all that But that actually I think if I remember it impeded him a year before he went to Georgia like George Hill Yeah, Georgetown gave the shot You know what I'm saying

It's new joy time Yeah, definitely man Because I mean we went to have Where he are With the coach For some reason I still believe The nigga played a day

He was cold Fucking right I still believe he could play By two, three more seasons That nigga cold He always been like I know everybody got their Jordan But he was my Jordan

Like I'm 31 I ain't get a chance To see Jordan Until he got with the Wizards Yeah And that was another Georgia So this aside, this is a side. He was still putting on 20, but it was like, oh, this is a sad.

It's funny you say that because for any, any, like, any, like, I think of time. Yeah. But if you think of like any inner city kid, that's a fact, like what you said. You know what I'm saying? Like, joy in was by far the goat. I don't even get in those arguments with people when they start comparing it. Yeah. He was giving the gradient.

I remember when a nigg. Grown men used to go home and go in the house and watch this. Yeah. Every bull's game came on TV. So I got a question, though. Who impact was bigger on the culture? Mike. Mike.

Mike. Because if the- Knicks weren't trying to look like Mike. Knicks weren't shaving their head to look like Mike. Man, that whole motherfucking commercial. Niggas weren't shaving their head. Not like niggas getting braves to be like AI.

I can be like Mike. Not to get braids to be like AI. Sometimes I dream that he is. Yeah, I'm talking about culture. I'm talking about culture. I'm talking about culturally image. Okay, now everybody look at their feet. Exactly.

That's exactly what I was saying. This is what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Okay, so look, you thought about him this morning. This is what I'm saying. This what I'm saying. You couldn't be Mike. Niggins said be like Mike, but you knew you couldn't be like Mike.

You knew you couldn't jump like that. You knew that. When you saw, listen, listen, let me. When you saw AI, you was like, damn, this nigger's smaller than everybody. More people identified with him. He spoke for the hood. More people identified with him. More people wanted to show up dressed like AI.

He spoke for the hood. Outside of the J's? But hold up. You wearing bootcut jeans? Take them off, man. What you doing with your outfit? Outside the Jays? Take the shoes off, man.

You were wearing big shirts. You disrespectful. Take your shoes off, man. Nah, I'm gonna tell you this. If you go back to the like Mike commercial, right? It was kids in every sport. was athletes in every sport. Yeah.

So to be like Mike was to be the best at whatever it is you met. You know what I'm saying? This is commercial campaign. This is all this. AI had a game Saturday. He was AI the whole time.

But after the game, him and his partner and then went to the club. Guess what he put on? Some Jay. Come on, man. That's all I'm fucking saying. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

So Michael Joyne had people shaving their head. Huh? You're talking about marketing and campaign. Gatorade, Nike. Yeah, if they get behind me and that shit go crazy. But I'm talking about niggas. We knew weedish wasn't good. Nigger, all lesbians, hey.

You got a point. We ain't weeded, dog. Hey, all, ladies. Well, first of all, y'all just said it. Y'all just said it. Y'all just said it. What frost-deflict? Literally, all lesbians.

They see through bread. 60% of lesbians look like AI. He was eating see-through bread. Am I right? With milk. It was more motherfuckers getting braids. When AI came along, I'm talking about cultural impact. No, AI is an image.

He's a product of my friend. I'm going to tell you one thing that came with AI, the baggy shorts. Right. Joyn got fined every game for wearing bigger shorts. He wasn't wearing the joints like magic and birding them back in the day the short. No, he started with him. Huh? He started with him now.

But he started changing. They didn't have no big cool. They're all you got! Hey, look. They came to the old bitches from 86. Hey, look. He probably, hey, look, he probably, he probably had a head. Hey, look.

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I think AI made people feel comfortable with who they were. You know what I'm saying? Because you got to think, like, Jordan was in the political NBA. Exactly. He was a spokesman. But he still broke the role.

He broke a lot of shit. I'm not saying he didn't. But when AI came... I was being able to identify it. Yeah, but when AI came, you didn't want to watch the game on TV no more. You wanted to go to the game. You know what I'm saying?

we caught the game on TV to watch all those other legends but AI made you want to go you know why because if he was accepted on the court then we accepted in the arena like we can come up in here with this with tax and all that and we don't feel a lot of place one thing that don't get enough credit in my opinion

is Rashid Wallace with the patch because this nigga played in motherfucking moving from corner roads to a patch hot top Air Force warms this is literally the heaviest tennis That is not built to be playing fucking basketball.

He said he didn't ever see Joy in place and he came in a time and like he was going through some personal stuff. Oh, that's a person who shit, my man, my man. That's my man. That's a Burma. Yeah, the Burma. Right? It's shit me.

Hey, man, first of all, shout out to Rashid. I bought with you too, because you at the show. You don't keep playing with Rashid. You don't keep playing with Rasheed. The nigga pull up and slap shit at you and then land. Rashid said his Air Force One's had orthotics in it. Oh. So they're not just regular.

Like, that's what I thought, too, but I've seen them all the shit saying about to say. And I was like, okay. He was not bullshit. He was dead to fuck serious. Where he was all the options of shoes to play in? He chose Air Force One. He said that's what he saw his OG's play here. And that's from where he was from.

He got fine for that shit every game. Oh, he didn't. They let them play in that? They're not qualified. They're not qualified. Basketball shoes. Who was that to play? You played in the Prada World Cup.

You played on them, bitch. Y'all didn't slide on the court. Bro, he left his shoes and that nigg was out there with some hot top pruders. Wow. Yeah, bro. It was the Gilbert Arena. It was either Ghibit or a lot of crazy ass shit.

Or the other boy that ran with him. Yeah. But see that crazy, because I fought with you. There's so many famous people from Harlem, though. What is, what is that like? Because when you think about it, all the people that came from your area, you walk outside, it's just. It's really.

It's niggins every way. It's Renaissance. To be considered... ...the street and Mace and... Niggins a whole... A lot of history. They even go back further than that. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Like, me growing up, I was immersed in Harlem's underwear. Going all the way back, my grandfather, you know, Rahim O'Lah. He passed away with 96. He was tight with Bumpy Johnson.

My father... Hold on, you're a grandfather. You back there? That was five. Mother, going from Bumpy to Nikki Barnes, me being around, Rich Poe, like, you know, I came from that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So when I look at Harlem through my lens, I see those unofficial mayors and governors of the city.

Not the figure heads. Not the people that, you know, wave the banner, you know what I'm saying? glorified. The people we see. The people that I saw was the people that really made a shake. And

everything that was intertwined with those generations was, you know, the Renaissance, you know, jazz music.

You know, we had some of the most prolific, you know what I'm saying, activists, all kinds of stuff came to harm. So in Harlem that big,

you know what I'm saying? Technically, Harlem is like, 155th to Hunt 10th Street. Then you got Spanish Harlem on the east side. But from 155th to Hunt 10th Street, you're talking about not even really 40 blocks, not counting like the avenues from,

like, you know what I'm saying, Lennox Avenue, Fifth Avenue, whatever, going away up to Broadway, whatever case may be. But it's a very... We were individuals, you know what I'm saying? Like Brooklyn was known for rolling in cliques and stuff like that, Broadway. But Harlem was like, everybody is trying to be that guy, you know what I'm saying, and they own special way.

Right. You know, and that's the characteristic that everybody had, whether they had money or didn't have money. You got some of the most, you know, flamboyant, you know, just, you know, illuminated figures that might not have nothing. You know what I'm saying? When you look at the Harlem Shake, that came from a dude named Cisco. We used to drink, Cisco. He said, his name was Al B. And dudes used to get out, you know, I'll be a dollar.

I'll be hit this shake. And it's like the kids took it and it became a phenomenal. But that was somebody who was a pillar of our community. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. Nobody know that. Shout out to you. All of them got fly bulbs?

Yeah, absolutely. Check it out. Hold up. But let me tell you something. And let me tell you something. This is another, this is another misconception of, of some of the younger generations. Y'all came in and that's all you saw.

What? What we saw? The bomb, an addict. Right. That's all you saw more than that. Oh, you saw where he was before. That was somebody who used to walk around with suitcase his handcuffed to his hand.

Or that was somebody used to come around, had the rose waist, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So out of the last we heard growing up as a jail, you can see as a true. Yeah, so, yeah. I had two rows of. Yeah, I had it.

To the road, Yeah, no question. Come through this motherfucker like a little bullshit. Yeah, to y'all, you know, I ain't said y'all, but the generation, he's lying. Right, right. You ain't had shit. Yeah.

You ain't got shit now. I might come through and be like, yo. Shout to him. Yeah, for real, for real. Shout ahead. Be easy. You know what I'm saying? Like, he was once upon the time

one of them dudes. Right. You know what I'm saying? And that's what I'm saying. I was functioning in my neighborhood when the crack epidemic came through. You know what I'm saying? because, like, my malls, my pops,

they came out of the 70s. That was all hair-on. So when you look at every new extremity or epidemic that comes, some people survive it. Some people don't. A lot of people don't. It ain't never been this many people smoke weed.

Like, when I was growing up, it wasn't not weed smoking. Everybody wanted smoking no weed? Right. You know what I'm saying? When I grew up, people was publicly sniffing cocaine in the street and it was acceptable.

You wasn't looked at as, like, you got an issue. Right. Because you're talking about something that was considered an expensive high. That wasn't cheap. So you wanted,

so you said people. I bought dudes that were getting money in the street smoking woolers, which was cracking weed. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Woo-wool.

Yeah. Make you dog. Yeah. And listen, the dudes that was smoking that had money. Right. Yeah.

They didn't know that journey was going to take the money. So they wanted you to see them to them. They didn't know it was going to go from a blood filled with crack to a pipe, to a pipe.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. They was cracking that motherfucker. Yeah, you know what I said? Well, it was free bait, you know what I'm saying? Right, right. Hey, shit, I'll get some more tomorrow. Yeah, that's what I'm saying?

That's what I'm gonna. So I get some more tomorrow. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. I'm saying, it's like, you know. I think I smoked now. I was going to play in your face.

That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's a certain level of... But that's how I was back then, bro. I'm telling you, man. Like, that's how I said, like, Harlem, you know, depending on what side of it you was on.

Right. You know, could have been the greatest education you ever received or could have been the greatest detriment. You know, for me, it was the greatest education. Yeah. You know, just New York in general, you know what I'm saying? Because, like, most of my family from Richmond, Virginia. So when I used to go down near, it was always, like, a culture shot for me.

Because I mean, one time, I was standing out there with my cousins. Just to give you an example, like, and they just, hey, here come to Maine. And just, everybody just disappeared. I'm like, you know, I'm still looking for the man. Right. Who's the name? Right. The police rolled up.

Right. So, I mean, in New York. It was a different thing. Right. We didn't care about, we want to start, no police, police coming through.

Like, yeah, man, put that out of the block, man, put that out. I'm like, man, he's always coming over here. That's what, they're taking our time. Right, right.

They said the man, went like 17 different directions. I was like, yo, you know what I'm saying? So it was different from how my family that was in the South versus New York. Right.

You know, and then like, we got little Italy, you got Chinatown. So, like, you ain't need a passport. Yeah. We was exposed to so much.

stuff. You know, once you cross on 10th Street, chocolate city, it's black. You know, white people didn't come out away. They didn't come nowhere near, you know what saying, and you had areas where wherever the predominary race was, they had the upper hand. So, like, you got a Spanish girl living in Spanish Harlem. You got to be careful. You got to be. You know, me, I used to like, meet me at the train station. Right. Say, I ain't going to be serious, too. Yeah, you can't even walk over there.

Nah, I mean, that's they, that's their stuff. Right. But then you got neutral spots. Nobody, nobody on 40s. Street. Nobody owned 34th Street. On 25th Street was our 42nd Street. That's the middle of Harlem. You know what I'm saying? 25th up is uptown. 25th down is downtown.

Okay. But it's small, you know what I'm saying? But we even got, you know, we got a central location that's neutral. Right. Everybody could come to 15th Street and shop and do whatever. Nobody owned 125th Street. Right. You know what I'm saying?

But one block over 26, 27, whatever. You know, we've got St. Nick projects right there. It's a whole different situation, you know what I'm saying? So that's how I'm saying, like, growing up and seeing those transitions, it had, it impacted me a lot because, one, you know, I grew up scared of dofiend. You know what I mean? Dofiends don't sell their guns. I can't sell everything. Right.

But the dophines, a lot of them used to be the killers from the 70s. Hold on, man. For me people at home and for me. Yeah. Break that down. We talk about the difference between dope fiends and crack. When I was growing up. So the difference is, you said the dope fiends.

The dothemes never sold their guns. So if they was using them joints, and the 70s, they still had them. And what their addiction was considered was a necessity because they get sick. Right. And they'll come through and probably ask for a single bag. Don't give it to them.

he might come back and you lose more than what you could have gave you know what I'm saying right I had friends that used to you know and I never was into it so it's like nah right they hide you

you know what I'm saying you back then like you was it was an expensive joy ride right you get caught somebody Odean off of that stuff and you finish

but like I do like yo such a such come through give them too don't get you know it was a certain level of respect That's what I said, I grew up knowing that these men and women who were suffering from this transition,

they were somebody before that. He was the hitman before. Yeah. Washing up, like, everything. Now he messed up. But he still got integrity. Right. He still got honor.

Right. And he still got that damn thing. He still got that thing. You know what I'm saying? You know, the ones that fell victim to crack. There's a different situation. Some of them is even functioning. Right.

Still, you know, they just had an addiction. Some of them still got their skills from whatever, like the mechanics and nutrition. They won't do demeaning stuff or degrade themselves. Right. Because you got some with just, it was all out, like whatever. Like, dude in minutes. Right. Yeah, he's out of pocket.

You don't want no cheeseburger? Yeah, he was from cheeseburger like to something. Get that man's a pack. Give him three. Give him three. Yeah, you know what I mean? He wasn't acting. That was a real j.

He wandered on the set. He wandered on the set. Hey, man, I don't get fuck like nothing. I got tea burnt. Y'all get you to math. This is a new set? Bit my alley. That nobody's going to move me.

Yeah, man. But, you know, like I said, you know. For me, to survive, you know, it means a lot. You know, like I said, yeah, real time, man. Yeah, real, like when I look at like... Real time, real area. This is the best Harlem breakdown I'd never... Even with, even with, like, the music.

See, the music was an escape. You know, it was even we was going to make it to the league. We was going to make it in the entertainment business. If that don't work, we always got a home in the street. Right. You know, and people to understand. like when I look at this generation look how many options they got

right like they last resort yeah their last resort ain't the street right their last resort is I could just sit in front of the camera 30 seconds at a time make a fool of myself and make millions of dollars totally that's their last

resort our last resort was the street you mean a young kid can literally just set them up a camera start a little tutorial whatever it is right you can be different you can be different I mean, look, it'd be a star. You know what I'm saying?

It's not like there's an industry that determines who's hot and who's not anymore. Right. You know, you got all the access, everything you need to excel in any field. Yeah. You know, and I came home like at the tell in the COVID, like, entrepreneurship, you know. It's like almost, I'm going to be honest with you. All y'all was in prison. COVID, everybody was in prison.

I'm going to explain myself because I thought you was about to say yes a nigga and they look just like you you was there I mean nine times out of ten they always say

I watch you in now well you did my whole bed I'm like damn but see the point is this like when you're in prison you got minimal resource minimal nutrition but dudes is looking like

action figures and they find a ways to make a worse situation comfortable Right. You know what I'm saying? That ingenuity is being, you know, overlooked and warehoused.

People don't know that these men exist. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because they're in prison. Right. Now with COVID, y'all was subjected to certain environment, certain conditions that people became creative. You've seen videos of people building gyms in their garage. It was crazy.

That's like being in prison. Right. I think people did all the shit that they was going to do, but they never had time to do. The longer that shit went on, people started building all kinds of shit. That's what I'm saying. Making little clubs and gyms and shit. But I don't think a lot of people knew that they could until the survival aspect kicked in. Honestly, I want them to have one more quarantine.

I do. I do. Shit, give me about four more months of that shit. That shit was. It's six months. I mean, you can live like quarantine. You just ain't got to come outside. Why we got to suffer through your corn today?

I want to go to the house. You all go in the house. Shut it down. All this shit back down. No food. Fuck that gross. Give it this point. I don't want nobody out there.

You won't eat for days, motherfucker. Yeah, but, I mean, it birthed a lot of entrepreneurs. Facts. You know what I'm saying? No. Everybody, how many people had the same Pakistani sweatsuit connect? People were putting out. their own clothing lines.

Ali-Baba went crazy. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Oh, my goodness, we're going crazy. Shopify. Shopify going to get stupid. You know what I'm saying? And that's what I'm saying is like,

when those things make me hopeful for this generation, if they focus more. Right. They understand it. But you got to focus more on this aspect and not look for the lake. You know what it is, too, though?

Is we come from a generation because I'm glad and I'm thankful that I got the ass ending, but it was like a long, like me jumping in the street because I wanted to in my environment. But the way my parents and all of them, they're elders. So they come from that structure. So like you said, how you feel like they scared about crap fiend. So I understand why my mom was like,

I don't know what you smoke a weed because that shit lead the goddamn crack. And fuck that. You can't come back. But I would have to tell her that. I'm smarter enough to understand that I know that. You've trained me to acknowledge that. But I'm a smoke some weed. But that crack.

Hell, no, that shit went. But it was like, you know what? The seek for wanting knowledge. We want to go get that. The new day generation is whatever we put in front of them, they believe it. And the media got to be real because they said it. They don't understand that it is propaganda.

They don't know you got to figure it out and wander through that shit. That's some bullshit. That headline is a distraction. They're like, that shit real. We all know that I'm going to wait. I'm going to go see my own headline because that's a distraction.

Get your own information. You got to get your own information. You know what? J.O.N., you ain't played me. No pet, man. We ain't got to start this. We got to actually start this. Come on, man.

It's like we ain't got to restart, but we at least got to catch the people of who watch it. Almost been going on for the last 37 minutes. Come on, man. I count it. I kept up with I was like I think we're on 58 shit we're right in there

we're wrapping it up in the minute but no man you had to reset the tone y'all was getting too headed because we hit it on now man he kids stupid that's all we what's all we doing this year

and on this platform it's just bringing real ghetto legends through here and today we got a real one with him we got a real legend all the way from Harlem. Come on now. Had a hell of a run.

Had a hell of a run. In the music industry. I ain't even just going to say where. It's in the whole industry. Right. Life. Then had 22 different lives. Still running. Still running. Right.

Cool brother. None of them. Then loom. Yes, sir. Yeah. Yes, sir. All of us very old. Get our living, right.

Yes, me and Clayton, we're hip-hop heads. We love rap music, the culture. All of that. I argue people all the time that one of the best rap names in the whole group, whole rap industry, is Blinky Blink. Blinkie Blink. You were in a group of Blinky Blink, man. That's the cold-ass rap name.

Look, Blink, that's my man. Blinkin' Blinkin' Blink was in high school together. Blake got that name from Blinking. Oh, so he actually blinks a lot. Yeah, he can blink a lot. Wow. But Blink came from a crew called BBO, Best Ballers Out. Right.

You know what I'm saying? They was out of, you know, like it was different factions in Harlem. Right. But we caught the rap bug because, you know, historically, the only real Harlem rapper that made it was Curtis Blow, Kumodee. And he was a gangster. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Curtis Blow is like, you know they called him Curtis Blum That's what I'm saying Right, right That's what I'm saying It wasn't no pause after that Right

Right, right Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Right, right You know what I'm saying? Then Kumo D was from off the hill You're from like Sugar Hill So

We were known for Like, having Brucey B you know, love by the star We had DJs You know what I'm saying And we were the promotional vehicle for hip hop When the dudes showed up in the furs and all of that, the dapper day, it was the Harlem duels, you know what I'm saying?

But the classical Adidas, Shelttoe, that was Queens. That was, you know, breakdance, the B-boy. You know what I'm saying? That was something that was rooted in the Bronx, you know, Queens, Brooklyn, stuff like that. But when it came to Harlem, we was about money. So we was the aviance around all of this. When we came through, you knew a harlem. All of them do was in the building.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because our, you know, knack for style, you know what I'm going to say? Y'all, yeah. Y'all comes that shit down. Yeah. Well, y'all know for fashion and y'all don't for getting money, and this is what I've always heard just from listening to New York hip-hop, you know what I'm saying?

So that you said you, Ben came from that, then go back and you just show how far that's crap. Yeah, because we had all the horses, you know what I'm saying? Like when you think about horse batten and the number of, game. This was off-track betting. Right. You know what I'm saying? They was just coordinating with the actual horse races. Those numbers that came in was the

numbers that people in the street was playing. So it was like, hustling. Yeah. Because it'd be the time, like, or something, that the horse came in. Yeah. And that caller comes from that hit. That call comes from the track to the number

runners in Harlem. Wasn't no FaceTime, no quick tech. No, none of them. Yeah, these were prizes and all that before that, yeah. So they literally created a whole industry from something that was legalized. Mm-hmm. And they made an illegal business.

Yeah. So, like, even for myself, like, I'm talking about eight years old. I have about five, six different hustles. You know what I'm saying? Like, I pack bags in the supermarket, right? I used to actually have three different registers. I'll just take fiends off the street and put them in different lanes

and make sure my tip box, like, yo, don't let, keep on my tip box by you. He don't get none of that. Right. You know, he already owe money for some other. He didn't hear packing to pay off something. Right.

And I'm in one lane right here. Packing and watching him. Yeah. You know, I'm packing bags. Yeah, I'm packing bags. Yeah, I'm packing bags. And watching him. Yeah.

And when the supermarket closed, you know, we turn the self-service. pump it's a full service. I was pumping gas, getting tips. Yeah. They had a car washer, a Getty gas station across the street. It's just set up out there

because you go through the machine, but I did detail it. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I'm a little armor roll. You know what I'm doing? I used to go across the street to the Bronx and buy my air freshenness

for 50 cents selling for a dollar in Harlem. I had a paper ride on Sunday. I was bagging up coke for my cousin. It was like I was a kid and installing white boys in school. All of them was kids. You do that in there with the kids. I mean, make you know, you'll be surprised.

I had a limited stand. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, limiting all that type of stuff was like, yeah. That wasn't, that didn't qualify. Now, the extraordinary white people was amazing. Yeah, yeah. That didn't qualify for a Harlem hustle.

That's a diverse portfolio. No question. I'm talking about I had a book bag full of GI Joe's and Transformers and steal from white boys and sell it at the train station to all the black kids. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? I never was a, people in my neighbor, and I ain't never really was into no robbing no black people. Right. You know what I'm saying? I never, and that's not to say

it's cool to raw white people. Right. I'm just saying at that time. But you found somebody then you're going to have to see them. Huh? You're going to rob them? You're going to have to see them.

Well, that wasn't. Now, you know, they ain't got shit. Can I give the GI Joe, please? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? We heard it with you. I mean, I didn't even lie you. I remember the first time that the whole idea of extortion

came to mine. It was a white, boy, he, um, I was sleep in class. And I remember he bumped me. I don't care who you are. You ain't even got to be tough. Somebody, I need to interrupt your sleep. Yeah.

You might not, can't fight, you might not need to fight, but you're willing to fight. You're willing to fight. You know what I'm talking about me? That's my forte. So I told him like, yo, I just fucking beat you up. He just, like, you know, the tremors. But I'm more a schedule. I'm watching the clock.

He's watching the clock. We're watching the clock for two different reasons. Right. You're trying to figure out, there's only one door to go out. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. How fast can I get to that big?

And you're trying to get it. And you're looking at and let us know. No question. And I might ask to go to the bathroom right before class. So I'm going to get you. I'm going to run me in the home. You know what I'm saying? So I remember getting close to three o'clock.

He offered me five hours. And light bulb just went off. Like, if that was easy. You know what? Tomorrow bring me 10. It's all right. And it just kept snowballing. But look, my eye got to be going on.

That joke kept snowballing. I'm talking about it. It was an Albanian kid. I never forget his name. You know, I ain't put his name out here because I don't know where his life turned out to be. I don't know if I might have impacted. I've been looking for no. So I found him.

I watched it by South so, didn't I see. I'm going to be an incredible gangster. And I'm saying, just for the record, this ain't me glorified. And it's like, sometimes I reminisce on this stuff

just to increase the gratitude of when I met in my life from now. But as a kid, this was Harlem. This was like, this was New York in general. I would just say that we was exclusive. But for a Harlem kid, it was always how you get to that dollar.

And also at a time when, because I don't think anybody after 2000 understand the generation when people was outside. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. You feel, the in-the-house shit is

you're missing if you're in the house. Listen, man, I had a time. But outside of New York different to me. But still, it's so many people. There's so much going on. Young is shit. Like, even when I was going to visit New York, I'd be like,

yo, who is this little nigga riding the train? Yeah. With his little brother. Like, how is this nigga got a baby with him? Yeah. And they're going in the store ordering shit. And I'm like, and you navigate this old fucking. Like, you have to go outside in order to do something.

Second grade? Yeah. I'm talking about transportation. Look, what? Fourth grade, I was going to school all the way on 92nd Street. I don't know if you've seen my interview with Tick. Uh-uh. Tick ended up going to the school.

I used to go to Harlem years after. His father. Yeah, his father's his father. Right, right. You know what I didn't really know that. I know it for a long time, but in the interviewer came out, and he started saying a lot of stuff. And I was like, how do you know, Mom?

How do you know all that? And then I don't do with me. I said, yo, we had an elementary school reunion. That's how bad we was. There isn't a high school reunion. We had an elementary school reunion. I swear by Allah. Everybody, it was there, was instrumental in some type of karmfulery

that exceeded our ages. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, a lot of them didn't make it. My little dude named Edgar He might have been about Every bit of 10, 11 years old One of the biggest drug dealers

In that area You know what I'm saying? I'm talking about the biggest He was a kid Yeah Now I don't know if he ain't heard it from his pops Or however it was connected But he was that dude

He died in the street Like anybody that he got murdered Young You know my man Melvin He was in the Big Apple Circus He had AIDS, jumped out of the window, killed it so Like we We kids, though

And I'm way downtown. I'm not even in Harlem. I'm downtown going to school by myself, getting on the train. You know what I'm saying? Like you said, we was bred like that. You know what I'm saying? So hustle, I don't know if this generation understands the difference from the grit that comes with how we had to hustle versus all the things that's accessible for a kid to hustle today.

There's a lot of access. There's a lot of things that do most of the lifting for you, you know, and that's a beautiful thing, you know what I'm saying? And like I said, like I was saying earlier, I would just hope that they pay more attention and focus more on those things because people endure it a lot for that to be accessible to this generation. Just the thing, when I come from the generation that I know and watch and hear the conversations of, damn, the niggas did that.

Like you said, the J, when you're saying that, I know. for a fact we'd never be little to crack head because all of them niggas was eight athletes yeah

niggas not only that he's the nigga that know everything you disrespect him he might be the nigga that do you

you feel what I'm saying so it's like I understand that so the new generation when I say it's too much access where

they can't decipher what's real and what ain't we have the experience to know that you have to be you have to be nurtured to an extent

to like you said disseminate what's being fed to you through social media mass media whatever the case may be but the education that we received growing up

came from mentorship somebody put you under their deodorant you know what I'm saying it showed you the game right you know what I'm saying but also you had those who showed you enough to benefit them, you know.

And I grew up watching a lot of dudes who fell victim of that and never grew, never evolved, never knew anything other than subjecting themselves to what they was taught by somebody who was misleading, you know, because I believe that there's two types of leaders in this world. You know, those that lead and those that mislead. Right. You're still a leader. Right.

So whether you lead in upon piety and righteousness or something that's upright, then that would be more of a praiseworthy leader. But if you lead in somebody towards gradual destruction, you know what I'm saying? You're going to be held accountable for your flock. Facts. You know what I'm saying? So it's just, like I say, you know, growth is something that's important for everybody. Because it remains stagnated is, you know,

there's no growth in that there's no evolution in it you become a one trick pony you only got one you only got one thing you know and like I said just coming from

the generation I came from I wouldn't change it for nothing you know what I'm saying I wouldn't change it for nothing and there's a lot of things that's missing in this generation

from you know the family aspect I know we hear it all the time to the point where it might be starting to sound cliche but the reality of it is that fatherless homes you know what I'm saying

or some male figure period you know what I'm saying that's going to nurture and cultivate you to be a man that's missing you know what I'm saying and I just came from a place

was a lot of solid dudes being warehouse dudes that wanted to do the right thing those that thought they were doing the right thing because they had the right intentions even though the actions didn't line up but they might not never get a chance they got 20, 30 years some got life sentences

and kids growing up out here being raised by the mother you know her four or five different boyfriends all kinds of trauma that you know saying And the sad part about our culture and it's something that we definitely got to try to fix is we got to stop normalizing stuff that's not normal.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Just because it becomes repetitive in our culture, anybody they step outside of it and look at it, you'll see this is not normal. Right. You know what I'm saying? This tradition that we keep holding on to,

it's not normal. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We only, you know, contributed to our own demise. Mm-hmm. We desensitizing it. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I love my people, you know, I do love the culture. It does a lot for me, you know what I'm saying. But where I evolved to is where I would want to see my culture evolve. Because when you look at, I mean, like, it's crazy. Like, you know, we talk about people who fell victim to, you know, drug abuse and all the things because of all the transitions. But if you think about, let's say for example

most legal immigrants that come to the country no matter where they come from but let's say in particular Mexicans right we got too good to cut grass right they was out there cutting that grass

that turned into landscaping businesses all over the United States they're sitting over at Home Depot by the jumping anybody pick up to go do some construction and that turned into construction companies you know what I'm saying we got too good for the

things. We got two boogey, so to say. And they ain't got a part to pissing. Well, wonder to throw it out, but these type of gigs is not suitable for us anymore. Because our ancestors did it. My grandfather did that for 40 years, but he sustained you with that, you know? And if need be, you got to do the same for you and yours, you got to go do it. You know what I'm saying? Because gambling with your freedom only contributes to the repetitive cycle

of recidivism, people going to prison and coming back, you know what I'm saying? All kinds of the detriment. So, you know, I just, you know, I just wanted to tell y'all because I always try to establish

giving people the flowers for, you know. You know, I love and admire which I do for the culture. I appreciate it. You know what I'm saying? You know, because I came home to, you know, the whole podcast, you know,

I don't know how you would call it, but it's a lot of podcasts. You know what I'm saying? But everybody don't carry it the same. And I'm not here to pass any judgment on anybody. You know, if it's for the money, get your money. You know what I'm saying? If it's for the culture, then stand on that.

You know what I'm saying? Don't use the culture. you know what I'm saying under the guise that you for the culture but you're really for the money you know and what I think that y'all do you know

genuinely I know it's for the culture you know what I'm appreciate you god damn you know what fucking my mom man

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That mean a lot because I think that's just who we are individually, you know, and it come together because, yeah, there's a lot of ways you could go to get, like you said, you could do it for the money. Right. But it's going to show. It's going to come, though. Yeah. The money's going to come.

That's the whole thing. Like, I was bred to understand that the hustle breeds money. Yeah. You just got to hustle. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's like, that's not a bad thing.

That's not something that, you know what I'm saying, it should be a turnoff. Right. You tell a kid now, like, you know what I'm saying? Yo, if you stand in front of, you know, a quick trip to sell these oranges for me, man. I come back in like five. I was giving you, you know what, say, X, Y, Z?

What you're talking about, yo? He's true. Made no motherfucker on you? Sure, he ain't got, okay, huh? You know what I'm gonna be? You know what I look like? You're orange man? You are, now sell.

Yeah, Nick. Hey, look, and the whole concept of the incentive just left their mind. Right. The incentive was more than you're supposed to get for doing this. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But orange. That's it. Right. Right. You worry about what you got to do. Yeah.

You're not going to worry from the whole sentence with just orange. Right. They go straight to the end, the reward. How much I got to put in. How much I got to do just with the reward. Ah, shit. Who you're talking to?

Yeah, too much. You got me, fuck. Come on, man. That's crazy. You know what I'm saying? Then they want something up front. Facts. Even in the slam, they teach you, right?

That you pay a man before the sweat on the brow dry. That mean the work is first. Right. But you're paying before the sweat drop. Yeah, you pay them as soon as you. Yeah, you're paying them as soon as you say. That's the true. You got a man.

Now hold up, I got you. You know, this is why I know. You finished? I ain't know you was going to do it. That fan. Fuck. I, I, I, I, I, alright, all. You can't wait for Friday?

Now, the problem's that. I got to pay you. Can you work until Friday? Yeah, no question. Yeah. You know what I'm going to wipe this sweat. I'll be right back. You keep that sweat on your face.

Don't wipe, don't have that. Hey, look, soon to hear, sue me, wait, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're sweating and went all the way to go. Yeah, me. You catch it in the cup and pour it back one. Hey, man, I'll be right back, but before I leave. Yeah, yeah, you know? That's real.

That's funny. That's real, though. If you like that, though, no cap. Evolution, man. But we got to do that as a culture. I think once we start worrying about what the next man is doing and we put limitations on people of skin color to be like, you don't hold the motherfucking blueprint or what it looked like

to be successful for me, nigger? And it's like what the white man do or the other ethnicity do? What y'all think it is, entitlement? No, I'm going to say this, man. Niggas just don't like seeing niggas winning, man. For us, it's really been amazing. mental and physical job done to us.

We carry a lot of trauma. Yeah. A lot of trauma. And it became normal. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Cats in the streets

looking forward to, I got 10 in me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. They hustling knowing that I could do 10. I'm prepared to get y'all 10. Mm-hmm.

And this ride, you know, this joy ride is over, y'all catch me some weird slipping or whatever case may be. I got 10. That's crazy. Right. That's crazy. You ready to go sit down for TV? Yeah.

Stupid. That's crazy. Right. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not saying this to glorify anything. A law is my witness. But it took me to be 36 years old to go to prison. When I left everything alone, 2008, when I became Muslim,

The last day I smoke, the last day I drink, the last day I listen to music. When I say that, I mean I don't press play. You know what I'm saying? So with that being said, I abstain from everything because that's just always been my nature. It's all or nothing.

I don't believe in straddling. I believe boys is confused. Men make decisions. Men stand on decisions, even if it's against them. Yeah. We have to live by the truth, even if the truth is not my friend at this moment. It's against me.

But I'm still going to stand it because it's the truth. Right. So, you know, my conspiracy was really revolved around ghost dope, which is dope that don't exist, and hearsay. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that's, yeah. And it came from a simple introduction.

D.C. was good. Well, I got each other number. Y'all straight. Yeah. Cool. But because of my prior criminal history, and these dudes not wanting to stand on your choices

you know because we start with that principle will follow but we're in a game of choices right you know what I'm saying so with that being said

they threw me into their conspiracy like what my priors and in front of a jury appears there's no way you can't say that this is not my career You know what I'm saying?

Right. So the deck was stacked. So I got another podcast I do too, the war on drugs. And I just, this is for people too because we're talking about. No, it's not on there, but it's on another platform.

They support it. But the ghost dope. Yeah. So basically, they entered into agreement with the authorities or whatever, right? These people, and they implicated you in the shit or whatever.

Yeah. Even though they never found no shit never had no video footage no shit but because they entered into this deal with the government and say yeah we sold 500 keys because and they and but that's because these people didn't stand on their shit and went in a deal and said yeah we got caught but he did it too

they'll even put a like you said a fake timeline of when the shit started and shit started they put it because of him y'all didn't sell if it wasn't for you since February 2007 yeah yeah and And that's what I'm saying. At the time I was living in Egypt.

Damn. I was living in Egypt. I was studying, you know, university out there. I was, you know, learning how to read, write, speak Arabic, note. I was immersed in my religion. You know what I'm saying? And I was giving talks around the world to the youth. And I was on my way to go to...

I had just left Saudi Arabia. I just made Hajj, came back to Egypt, stopped to get my family the gifts. And I jumped on the plane to go to Belgium and speak at the university. And Nepal grabbed me. and told me I had an indictment in the Eastern District of North Carolina in the city of Durham and I've never been there.

You know what I'm saying? Damn. I was a passport got missing. So the timeline that you're talking about, I can't even argue that. I don't have tangible evidence no more to say where I was, when I was there. You know, I was going to break down a lot of stuff. But the thing is, you know, I'm 36 years old at the time. We're far removed from...

You changed her life. You made that decision how you were going to do with it. Choice. That's what I said. I'm a firm believer of a man making a choice and standing on it. Right. Because that's the principle. Right. It's not about the street code, the street at this.

It's about man time. Right. You made that choice. You made that choice. You got to stand on that principle. You can't make your choice mine I didn't choose What you chose

So you can't subject me to your choice That's just real That's nothing to do That's the problem with I think this generation They Try to incorporate everything With the street

When quite frankly I don't even think they understand The street Not the streets I know Right. You know what I'm saying? I say that much. Yeah.

Streets that exist today, I can't even tell you. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. You know what I'm saying? I really don't know what that is. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's your watered down.

My point was that, you know, it's so easy for these people to damage young black lives, black and brown lives. I don't even want to leave out, you know, brown people as well. Mm-hmm. Because they're suffering as well. But it's like, you know, that experience really helped me grow. Because I know in the outside looking in, it was just like, I can imagine like, man,

Moon. Probably a lot of people believed it. Like, man, Puffy don't take care of nobody. Loon out here selling everyone on a way out. And you know what I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. know what I'm almost certain yeah yeah because I mean you know

I anticipate that you know what I'm saying because anybody that's you know working under I don't even want to say the shadow but any major you know mobile or figure you're coming up under

you got to work your way out of that from underneath that umbrella but that's where you'll remain you know what I'm saying as long as that umbrella is standing, that's where you'll remain under it. You got to work your way out there.

You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I'm pretty sure it was a whole bunch of ways it was perceived, but that was the real reality is that... And you were 36 at the time? You got to go to prison and this, I'm wrong. So the point I'm trying to make is

when I was you know, in the street, I came from a generation that wanted to get away. We wanted to get away. We wanted to get away. We wasn't trying to glorify getting caught. We weren't trying to, like, you know what saying? We weren't trying to get caught. You know what I mean? Even when I used to be out of town, you know, we used to be telling people we were like exchange students, we were bought basketball

team, like, we're coming over all kinds of stuff. Even in the Harlem. You know, you tell the girl, I do construction. You know what I'm saying? Right. Because once your father find out who I am and what I'm doing, this love affair is over. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Right. So it was embedded in us to try to go through painstaking efforts to not let that define who we really want to be in life. We really want to be somebody. And I think even in my generation in the music business, we tried to show that.

Nobody's like, you've seen Snooper Farrell in Brazil. Take a passport to get there. Anybody could drive to Myrtle Beach. We was trying to show you waterfalls. We was trying to show you what they say, you know, black accent. You know, and it was nothing wrong with that. Because I think it's a generation of people who, you know, absorb that and learn from that and strive to achieve that.

So I ain't going to lie. When I'm in a barbershop sometimes, I catch one of the stuff that, you know, out on the radio. And I'll be baffled. She's trash. Bad food. I mean, like, even when I was in prison, you know, barbershop is the same. Dude at his radio.

He'd have made some fake speakers out of stuff. He got the joint bang, you know, and all that. And I used to just be curious, who that? Right. Well, that's a little such and such. You know, next time in the barbershop, who that? Right. Oh, now, that's a little, it's a different dude?

Then after, wow, I was like, how many lils? And I was just confused. I was like, like, what's going on? Right. You know, even, like, in my, you know, my block, not to get too in depth, but we figured out how to watch everything y'all was watching. Right. I'm going to say that, right?

Easy. You know, so when I used to go work out, I said that the young boys, you know, hold my joint, and they do them. Because, you know, we're just trying to be fair. Everybody, this is breaking up everybody bid. Right. Next month ago, we know what I saw a Game of Thrones.

Right. No, it's like, this breaking the bid. Right, right. Right. Everything's smooth. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You're falling a kid.

Yeah, you're falling kids talking about, yeah. Yeah. You seen Black Panther? Yeah, yeah, what was it? Yeah, it was dope. Remember the scene that kids in the phone? Right. Keep you kind of like on the outside.

How are you going on? You know what I'm saying? So this was what, you know, came with me. My bid, my bid was, I was in bed, like, into the world. Like, nah, I still get to study. I still get through some things. I still have a little leisure. So what I was saying was, I used to come in from working out,

and the kids was watching, like, World Star and all that. So, you know, you need headphones to hear the TV. Right. TV ain't, like, blasting like that. You got to have your headphones and, you know, go to the radio station where the TV is playing. Mm-hmm. I was like, yo, why is it like 17 kids

with no shirt on with a salt rifle standing in front of a trap house with a rave? Like, the messaging was just confusing. I didn't have to listen. I didn't have to listen. I didn't care. I was just looking at the messaging. Because I know what we was trying to show you.

You ain't have to, you know, you ain't got to hear the words to beautiful, like when you look at, bro. You just see it. You see a bunch of Brazil. You know, that's it. That's it. That's what I'm saying. So I'm looking at the messaging,

and I'm confused. I'm like, yo, they auditioned in for prison. You know what I mean? What's the likelihood they zoom in on the serial number on one of them? You're going to give a fuck about that shit? Oh, that didn't happen a lot of times.

It doesn't happen. That's what I'm saying. I'm thinking like this. I'm thinking like this in prison. I'm trying to go home. You know what I'm saying? They try to come in. And it's like, why you want to be in a place

where there's nothing but men? That's fucking good. You understand? Yeah. because I'm looking at you got all the means to enjoy everything else but you want to be in here with men you know what I'm saying glorifying something that really don't suit you

because when I grew up and you had feds in your life you were doing something you know what I'm saying for the feds to look at you in the 80s 90s something you had to be doing something you know what they've done is utilize, you know, federal authorities to give a young kid a kingpin charge

that never had $10,000 in one setting. Niggas is crazy, man. Niggas is fucking insane. I'm talking about all his stuff. Just throwing rocks at the penitential. In a joy in box. His money is gunned, his joy, all his stuff. Everything y'all.

Everything is all right. He got a baby shoebox at that. Yeah, but he's in, man. Yeah, but he got a leadership role. You know what I'm saying? Right. And then he's in the prison system glorifying that. Yeah, yeah, they got me.

I'll be back in a minute. Bro, 30 years is not a minute. That's 30 minutes. Yeah, I ain't going to lie, man. I ain't go lie, like, I mean, I can go on and on. But it's like I experienced some things that made me so. fearful for this generation the ignorance

you know what I'm saying the level of ignorance in the midst of dealing with something that could be a detriment for your entire life I didn't come from that I don't even know how to identify with that I don't see nothing fly about it like nice it's suicidal

you were in there I'm sure you're saying he comes from a young dude's never getting out I'm hanging with dudes like I had one of my but like No, I'm with the Muslims. Right. Anybody know, anybody did tell me, no. I was always in some position of leadership when it came to the Muslims.

Whether I was the Eman, whether I was the Sharif, I had the security for the Muslims, whatever. You know what I'm saying? And I was always dealing with the politics of those who understood, we need this to govern ourselves so this joint don't go up in flames. You know what I mean? The young generation coming up. And they don't get this stuff, you know what I'm saying?

And every now and then you got an old dude telling them, like, look, hey, listen, Charlie, for real. I didn't did your time twice. Try to go home. You know, you got elders trying to school these young boys. So I mean, one time, before I got my sentence, I was in a county jail one time, I was in a county jail one time. I overhear these two young kids, you know what I'm saying? They get lawyer visits. they both go see their lawyers

the one young kid in fact one was still in the block one kid went to go see his lawyer he'd come back in the block stacking twisting his fingers up hey homie I'm good so I'm like mind my business

but then like you know I was doing house details I was never in my cell I'm always out you know what I'm saying I'm having my way but I overhear them talking You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah I know

My lawyer told me You know, if I take the scale Because my own story I think Like they found Some drugs in a scale In a common area No, neither one of any person

But his lawyer Just convinced him To take the scale Which is paraphernalia Right Like that He said, yeah, I'll take that I'm gonna get

You know, probation I'm good And that my kid Like I know I'm good That's when Being an adult You know what I'm saying

Being an elder The obligation comes in I said look man Look I don't want to get in your business I don't get on nobody's case I don't care about it You know what I'm not a I'm not no jail lawyer

None of that But you just told on him Right He said What you mean? I don't do all that I said you did And you took a plea and took a charge

You did You just said this joint was in the common area. That mean you don't belong to nobody. That's what you're told to say. That's what you're told to see. Until they run out of steam. No matter how long you gotta sit in here.

No, and I'm not teaching criminality, trust me. But I hate to see young kids immersed in a lifestyle where they haven't educated themselves on the consequences. Right, right. You know what I said? Go back to choice. Right. So he's like, what you mean?

I said, look, if you took the scale, then who do the drugs belong to? So they're looking at each other. And I'm like, don't be mad at you, man. Because, you know, his whole face changed from... He was looking at the thing like... Yeah, it changed from being shocked. To, like, you did tell them.

Right. I said, look, just call your lawyer and go back, tell him you that's how to go. You know, and I just said to say not to digress, but it's like... Like I said, I could go on. It's like a lot of things that I've learned, you know what I'm saying?

I've learned about where we're going as a people. And that was the whole subject we were talking about. It was like, how do we evolve, how do we escape this normalization of things that's not normal? How do we, you know, stop desensitizing ourselves the things that actually matter? You know, how do we better ourselves? Because in the Quran, Allah says save yourself and save your family, right?

So this is a permissible form of selfishness. You know what I'm saying? We created contingency that we don't allow each other to be about self. Right. Oh, you're a sucker. How I'm pulling to help you if I ain't helped? I ain't even got a boat, niggas. Yeah.

And why I got to help you first. We both around it. You know I got a mother that's sick. I got a daughter, you know what I'm saying? You know I got all these things. So for you to hold that over my head, you know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

You come first. Some should be telling me about the company I'm keeping. You definitely can't be my homeboy, man, all these terms we're using because you want me to subject myself to your welfare. Right. And just disregard the welfare of the people that I'm entrusted with. You can't possibly be a friend of ours. Mm-hmm.

You know what I'm saying? Right? So, you know, it's just, that's what I think. It has to start with, first and foremost, understanding that there's a creator of the heavens and the earth. I understood, I understood. Free from need, free from deficiency, free from flaw. Goes back to us being, you know, creatures of need.

You know what I'm saying? We are deficient. We created deficient. We created in the state of need. and our needs and refuge should always be sought in the one that's free from that. That becomes your base.

That's your foundation. You know what I'm saying? Now anything that contradicts that common sense to tell you is not the right thing. You don't have to get schooled once you learn that. Learns you learn your purpose

or why you was created. You was created solely for the purpose to worship the one that created you. That's the greatest relationship for any human being to have. Because you can't implement nothing consistent or, you know what I'm saying, or, you know, consistent with good if you don't have that foundation. We'll find ourselves worship in other things that have no value.

They can't harm you or can't benefit you, you know. And, you know, that's pretty much where I've came in my life and just to give you another bouquet, you know, watching what you've endured. you know, with your family and, you know, seeing how you implement patience and just to resolve,

you know what I'm saying, to endure something that nothing could prepare you for. Nothing could prepare you for death, you know? And Allah says in the Quran says, Kulunep's in there, it could tell them out. Verily, every soul would taste death.

So it's inevitable. We know that. You know what I'm saying? That's why we live a certain way. preparing for what's inevitable. But still when they come as human beings, it's something that you endure and it's not an easy thing. You know what I'm saying?

I just literally came from a funeral this weekend. My pop spas. You know what I'm saying? I came home. My grandmother, she had stage four cancer. You know what I'm saying? She was able to hold on until I came home. My grandfather couldn't make it.

You know what I'm saying? And even in prison, I literally had to go in a shower and we. Yeah. I'm crying a bunch of from the convicts, you know what I'm saying? Right. But I had to go in the shower. There's water on me anyway.

You can't tell them, what I'm saying? I'm crying. Right. You know? But those ways that we cope with adversity really defines what kind of man you are. Mm-hmm. You know, I say that I have to say, bro. I appreciate it, bro.

You know what I mean? Yes, sir. You are a rare breed for this generation, you know? It takes a lot, and basically what you said is really the only way, because if you don't have that foundation, you'll be lost. Absolutely. And to pick it back off of what you were saying, I was just thinking like, okay, you were already making that transition.

At 30s, we are considered grown, grown. Oh, yeah. Adult. You're done. I already know what I'm doing. I'm just focusing on my religion and being one with the high power. Yeah. Now you got to prison.

Yeah. How is your mind state and understanding saying, okay, you was already preparing me to be, I got to go somewhere anyway, but you was preparing me earlier to take this road. Yeah. So I'm not going to tear or decipher my journey. I'm going to continue even in here. Well, part of my faith is to accept, you know, a large divine decree. Right.

You know, preordainment. Can't change it. you don't have the capacity the change was already written for you so you accepted the good and the bad of it because we attribute all of that to Allah the good, the bad, everything it's not something that you give a share

to a creation like the devil or whoever, Shaiton, nah, it's another creature in need. He doesn't have the power to determine life, death, you know, prosperity, adversity, he doesn't have that power.

one. So with that relationship comes acceptance of anything and everything that's preordained. You know?

So like I said, all of the things that I did I shouldn't went to prison for? Once again, he's the best of plan

is like I would survive all those things but now here I am you know on a whole different path and then I go to prison. Right.

You know? Right. but what I was able to acquire prior to going to prison that's what helped me navigate had I did a bit as loom that had been a different bit I promise you it had been a whole different bit as Amir it was a beautiful bit

you know what I'm saying it gave me time What you do with it I was in effect So I started my first six months I was in Belgium I was in a federal prison in Belgium That's crazy Yeah fighting my extradition

I went all the way Supreme Court in Belgium fighting my extradition because they were trying to, you know, use that situation to push me in a situation, you know, and they was trying to add something or they was trying to, you know, get me to accept, you know, an extradition that would enable them to take anything outside of the instant offense and use it against me. So meaning if I wasn't paying attention know, understood the circumstances around my case and just hasten because, you know, I'm out here,

they speak Dutch, they speak French. I'm ready to go home. I can't get a motherfucker. I'm dealing with Arabic, and most of the inmates there was Moroccan, Algerians, some of the COs. So I was able to, you know, to, you know, find solace in speaking Arabic. Right.

But just the conditions, everything, you know, you're away from your family, everything. I left my wife and my kids are in Egypt. Like I'm over here in the capital of Europe I'm you know That's a lot Yeah The average dude

And a black man Yeah Right You know The average dude under Lesser circumstances The folded Like a beach chair

Right You know When they get cold Yeah In their little room So Like I said Accepting that that was

The case It enabled me To just Try to benefit and I sit here lose my headline worrying about something I can't change you know what I'm saying

and because of that extensive life I told you and the kid doing all I never got a chance to pull over and park like I've always been running

on go gunning since 84, 85 you know what I'm saying been on supergo so that was the first time I was able to pull over and actually park

and reset and you know take the account a lot of things that transpired in my life and how it all came to this point and how it makes sense and what I need to do moving forward. So I had a plan you know

and a lot of dudes in here is doing a long two days. So I had to say it like whatever they came in prison on, they leave on that same thing. Right. I mean the 10, 15, 20 years in the middle don't even count. You did it a long two days. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Like I did a bid that was beneficial. I came home, you know, people still got on my marvels. I'm straight and institutionalized and nothing like that. I used to, you know what?

I used to switch stuff up just on purpose. You know what? I'm going to put conditioning first. Then in the shampoo. Like, any time I found myself doing something to it. I'm going to switch up on purpose. Don't wait. Not fucking routine.

I'm putting pants on for them. Yeah. Because you'll find you. Yeah. When they become an habitual, when you're just literally talking to somebody, you're like, yeah, man, someone. Hold up, man, like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that just, like, became too fluent. Right, right.

Because, you know, I know y'all heard stories of a dude that come home, burnt out. Yeah, they don't never, they don't ever come out, like, when you're institutional lies. I came home looking for it. Yeah, I'm talking about dudes. We've had all fast foods. Getting in the shower in their house with shoes on. Yeah. Yeah.

Keeping all the fucking hygiene right there. on the shelf by the... Yo, I had a dude tell me... On a little personal night stain. I had a dude tell me his nephew came home for doing a bad time. He was... He was...

Old time. He was in there telling me a joke. He said, yeah, man. A girl wanted to use the bathroom. It was like, bang, with a tissue at. Because you can have your own roller tissue. You take your rolling tissue with you in the cell. Yeah.

He didn't take the roller tissue out of the bathroom. The girl in the bathroom, man, that relieved herself. She didn't. Well, no. She's a wild Don't she came on Hey, he got some tissue

Give me a hundred Oh, shit You can have it going to fuck He got the tissue He got the tissue He took the tissue In the bed You don't that be like football

You got a dude Stand up for count time Man Count time Yeah Right Yo, what's you stay What's wrong with you?

That's crazy I can't do Yeah Four o'clock You can't do You know count time You're getting up in the morning And four boy

You're eating You know what I'm saying So it's like It's just like But I'm gonna tell you It wake you up at 4 o'clock just to see you there You're in there, ain't it? What you put me at?

At 10 o'clock? I can't escape this shit. I'm gone, I'm gone. Especially in the hole, though. You know, I did over a year in a hole. Oh, hold. Now, which hole? There's two different types of holes.

It's a hole where, like, you can do time, but you can't do time. No side of you can find it. Like, dark, no lights, dark. I mean, they turn them off at a certain point. Okay. He's usually light under the door. You know, I want to read a book in the...

He's thinking about the hole from the movies. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Shut up. No, because... No, because... When you're really bad... Hey, hey, hey!

No, bro, can when you're really bad, bad, they got a place for your bad ass, bro. Now, it's a hole. I know it's a hole, but I'm still like, it's a... I don't been to the hole, too, but I... They look at the end time, so my shit ain't talking about. You know, no, no, no, no, I understand that. My county is worse. County is worse.

Some of them. Not there, solitaire, when you ain't got shit going on. So what you get an album? County is gladiator. That's why I'm trying to tell this. Yeah, because county, like, no, we got the worst county in the planet. I don't care of nobody. Say, Rikken, silent.

Yeah, Rockies is a prison. That's not a county. That's prison. It's over $8,000. It's over $8,000. Right Street. I've been to Wright Street. I've been to right street.

You know what I'm saying? But I ain't have had no problems in Rice Street. And they fought with you. As far, I did. I did. I had pushed one through his together. He had pushed one through his together. He probably was an east side

Nick trying, yo, New York You know what? You're all right. Actually, his brother was somebody He was somebody in the street I knew him though But dude was just going overboard And it's like

Okay, that's an Atlanta shit But I don't really care About your brother Popper Yeah That's all the Lama nigga Want to see Oh okay New York

Yeah Yeah You know He ain't lying But he like Lou got them head. All right, New York. All right you're going to.

Go ahead. Yeah, because like in the county, you ain't get no time or nothing yet. Right. You know, even if you like take over in the police, like, it ain't like, you're just going, you know, it's nothing that's going to be added on. I respect rules.

That's why I respect rules to the day. But don't get me wrong. I would never discourage what you experienced because any, I mean, a day away from your family against your will. That's a lot. You know what I'm saying? A week.

A week. A year, though? Solitaire. It was broken up. I did six months in Belgium, like, quarter charged. 24 hours or 23 hours? Yeah, 23 hours locked down. You get one hour wreck.

You know what I'm saying? What you do? You just try to sleep it? I just read. Read? Yeah. And that's why I wanted to get to a point. And I'm not an expert on mental illness, just so everybody know.

But as a most of my life, I don't live in my heart. I don't live in my head. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to tell you why that makes sense. Right. You know, because your brain, you can absorb a lot of stuff. Right. You know.

But just like any type of hardware or hard drive, if you overload it, what happens to it? It just do shit. It just do crap. Yeah. Right? Or to run slow. Right? When you're joint overload, they don't run at the same capacity or speed.

You don't use all the gigabytes. Yeah. Or you're trying to process too much. much because that's where, you know, you know, you can process this things. Right. So trying to process a lot of things that you've sponged up, it can become difficult. But the heart has a filter. You know what I'm saying?

You can't have two things that contradict itself reside in the heart at the same time. It's impossible. Right. It's impossible. You know what I'm saying? So that means that if you allow, like if your heart is righteous, you know what I mean? anything they contradict that you're going to reject it they can't reside at the same time

you can put all that up here though you can just store anything up here you know what I'm saying and trying to make sense of it sometimes could drive you crazy you know what I'm saying but if you live here this will definitely

act as a criterion you know differentiate between what's correct and what's not and this is a favor from your Lord he gave you this for a reason you know what I'm saying because you could be

brain dead and still live right but if this stop shows over so people who misinterpreted what the real engine is it ain't your brain everybody's too much brain you're not man that joint can stop working

and you can still live you could be a vegetable and still live but when your heart stop beating the show is over you can't keep your brain running the heart dead

you know what I'm saying so this is the real engine you know what I'm saying you purify this everything else will follow you know what I mean trying to clean this it's impossible

I'd be trying to tell people that too though this is gonna make this sense for this the heart is right you know your thought process of being you can tell formity with your heart you said in a more articulate

way because I always say lead by the spirit because you bring I said If a motherfucker want to know my mental, bitch, you don't want to know what's up here. It's too much. It's too much for me, bitch.

It's too much for you. This is why I'm so grateful, and I walk graciously, and I'm glad God, the tear in my life and made me go this way, because mentally, I know, okay, what's the spirit and what's not. So when that comes, I'm like, oh, that's just something. My brain unconsumed from seeing so much of this shit and what the media does say.

That's not me. It don't reckon with my heart. Okay, that thought, that's part of my heart. That's my thought. Yeah. So when we was talking earlier on a couple episodes about mental illness and all that, I can understand. I'm empathetic because a lot of people sweat or whatever they're thinking, it's them.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They can't say, they're like, I'm thinking it. I'm like, bro, but you didn't give that too much energy that you didn't broaden that particular thought. And it's not even you. Yeah. Just because you're thinking it don't mean this.

dope. Well, you understand also a lot of people would stimulate it out here too, because I mean, I ain't a lot. I used smoke more. But that would definitely stimulate. Yeah, it would stimulate, you know. So, like, I would tell you this.

This is why intoxicants are not permissible in this land. Right. In Arabic is called Chammar. Khammed is any intoxicant. Anything that makes the thought process fluctuate is an intoxicant. You know what I'm saying? Even over the counter, medicine can do it.

Anything that makes the thought fluctuate, that's an intoxicant, you know what I'm saying? So now, not to, you know, because I ain't going to quit, so it don't matter what I tell you anyway. Oh yeah, I was smoking a little weed, my wife. I'm just saying, what are you? Yeah, I'm just saying, like, even for me, like, back then,

you know, that's what it did. Right. It had me a constant, deep thought. Right. Sometimes the time will go by And I ain't realized I was thinking that long You know what I'm saying? I was just, you know

I should have been moving Like I should have been busing the move by now But 30 solid men Yeah, I'm just gone Right You know what I'm saying Then next time you look up You know

You're like man I might have overthought this situation Right You're gonna get this because yeah Sometimes you gotta snap out I'm like come on fool They get right Yeah

Yeah You can overthink shit And I do shit That's the only problem with people to overthink. Sometimes you've got to react, you've got to do. Like you said, if you listen to your heart. But if one wants to become one with the high power, this is not a relationship that just comes easy.

Oh, it's work. It's work. It's work. And if you work and maintaining it. Right. Obtaining it is easy. Right. But sustaining it is a trial.

Because, you know, your desires. is what you're at war with every day. Every day you were in war. The flesh is getting in that every time. With your desires. Right. So now if your desire is contradict obedience, you know what I'm saying?

You got to make a choice. I'm going with obedience every time. You got to remove it. And that's called self-governance. And that's what, you know, we need that, you know what I'm saying? We ought to create it and know us better than we know ourselves.

We keep trying to figure this stuff out. We all think that our issues is exclusive. Nobody's going through this but me. It's old. There ain't nobody going to. Right. Shut your whole ass.

Yeah, you're the only person in the whole world. He's the whole old old. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, man, you know, we can do this forever. You know what I'm saying? Like I say, you know,

I'm excited not just to do the show with y'all to definitely be a part of the families. They need to heat, man. You know, we're going to take this opportunity to let them. them know. Yes.

I'm saying, prospective podcast will be distributed through 85. Let's go. Hey! You got it here first. You're a big working.

Let's go. It's hard to see it. And I want to conclude it with why because it's important. Because people look at like, you know, they're going to come with their own determination. Right. Why, you know.

And just to be honest, I mean, it was a lot of opportunities, you know, just because of the nature of what I'm trying to do, it's beautiful that it doesn't conflict. I mean, y'all got the flagship show, you know what I'm saying? It doesn't conflict with anything, and that's important. You don't want to be, you know, an hamster wheel. You know what I mean? That was one reason.

But ultimately, like I said, what I saw in which I were doing, And how y'all built this, you know, from the ground up. Yes, sir. I've even heard stories that y'all allude in certain situations that probably wouldn't have been to your benefit, which shows me how much passion, you know, you have for what you built. Yes, sir. You know, so it's not about, you know, sacrificing your integrity

and all of those things to win. And this is why y'all enjoy yourself. Like, when people look at this show, people look at y'all and say, this might be the easiest money y'all could be. Y'all ever made in your lives because it's like to come out and just be yourself. We do it in the way. You don't want to be on the punch, man. You digger what I'm saying?

The content part might, they don't even see that. They don't understand the business part. The business part. Yeah. Or building it. You know what I mean? Sustaining it, like you said. Do that delayed gratification.

Right. Saying no in the beginning so you can get what you want in the long way of the process. And that was one of my reasons because I know that, you know, y'all run a tight ship. And we also run it together. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a unit where it's like we all came in and said, look, we don't know everything, but we're willing to learn from each other. And even if you may not feel, like you say,

may not feel some type of way, but if the selected group is saying let's run it, I'm going to run it like I agree because I did agree if they said run it. Yeah, that's it, yeah. That's it. You see what I'm saying? And it always works in our best favor, bro.

You feel me? We don't look at it. It's an I-I-I thing or a me, me, me thing. And out of everything I'm in, everything I don't work on this is the only situation that's like that and I get to take what I learn from

over here and go to other places and be like if the energy ain't like how it is over here I already know what this is I'm an employee yeah it's work yeah it's work it's just working yeah I could make it look like I can make it look like one but it's work over here it's like you know what

now let's take the work and the business from over there gotta get you to sign the table man somewhere else we're putting all the legends on the table and we got you oh course we got you some

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