The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - MONEY B in the Trap!! | 85 South Show Podcast

Episode Date: January 9, 2026

Karlous, DC, and Chico sit down with Money B in the Trap!!! || 85 SOUTH App: www.channeleightyfive.com || Twitter/IG: @85SouthShow || Our Website: www.85southshow.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. We want to know how the Trent came about. Yeah. Who said we're going to do some up this shit? This is what happened. Real talk. We had a house.

It was our, it was our road manager, him and Schott lived in the same house. It was his mom's house, my manager. But it was like our headquarters. So that's where y'all go and crash and drank and just kick it, right? So one night Shock was like Yo, I'm out to work on this new This new joint

And Me I'm trying to get out You know what I mean? I think I'm going to see some chick My manager let me borrow his car So I was like, y'all go ahead I'm not fucking with it I leave

Come back in the morning And I was like, yo Listen to this shit We did it on a four track Mm-hmm Shot played it And I was like, we're out of here. You knew it?

I knew it. The very first time I heard it on the four track, I knew it was over. Damn. Life was going to change. See, most people say that they, when they hear stuff that became their biggest hits, they didn't know. It's the unique thing. It's certain songs. It is.

Most of it is like that. But that was one of the times I heard that and I was like, we're out of here. Yeah, we out. So one of that concept at that time, like, when y'all was thinking of it, Like, I know y'all, it's fun, it's having a good time. It's like, we're making this for us, we're making this for the party, what we're doing? Well, what it was is, so you remember do what you like, right? Humpty is in do what you like video, but he didn't have a name.

It was just a character. But we played a bunch of, if you go back and watch that video, I got on a pig nose and another nose. And, you know, we was just bugging out. but he did change his voice he was playing a character but we didn't know what that character was and so when we we did that song

he was just on a bugout so really it was more about the production that we was like this is it but he's like yeah this gonna be a Humpty song you know because the whole it just sounded like he you know tripping so

he did the song Well, we had to give the character a name. When he did the song, we're like, all right, we got a hit song. But we didn't even have the dance until two nights before we shot the video. Who made the dance up? It was my younger brother. If you watch the video, me and my brother, I'm dancing with the Oakland shirt. And the other guy is my younger brother.

It's us. But he came up with the dance. And the way that it came about in 89, it was. It was a big earthquake in San Francisco in the Bay. The big earthquake in 89. If you watch, it was like during the World Series, the whole shit was shaking, and they had to cancel the World Series. But the earthquake fucked up a lot of shit in the Bay, right?

So the whole concept was like the ground is moving. Trying to keep it in balance. Like that. That's where it came about. And then shock, you know, put his little to-y on it. But that's how it came. So basically, we turned a church. tragedy into something that got me here today.

Yes, sir. Make people forget about the earthquake. They don't even know. They don't even remember. So that's how that came about. That's hard. That's amazing. Mm-hmm.

That's great. I wanted to ask you this too. You know, a lot of people never get the concept of being in a group. Okay. So it's like, I wanted to ask you like, even for you to be in the group and then you hear some, like, this the single,

and then you ain't on the single. How you handle that? But knowing you still a very intricate part of this group, but to see that, okay, this is what we about to get behind. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Well, at that time, it didn't matter because it just felt like we're about to do it. Right.

So it didn't matter. Like, I could be petty and be like, yeah, I'm on the hook. I am on the hook. Right. I'm on it. Yeah. But I hear you saying, like, I don't have a feature role, and that was the first one. We're coming out like that.

Yeah. And we're a group, but it's about this one person. who's not even a real person who's not the real person right but I don't think we thought of it like that we just thought that this was the best song

and this is the one that's called take us where we need to go so we went with it that's dope man like in the group itself like you know that's a it's a collection of different personalities

and everything and then the Bay Area is such a rich place with culture and history and diversity so it's all different types of people that, you know, concentrated in the Bay Area. How did you manage to come together and become digital underground? By necessity, really.

The one thing about digital underground is none of us grew up together. And, you know, shock and shock. I'm the youngest, but shock is maybe like, shock and Jimmy, Chabmaster J. Like six or seven years older than me, right? So it wasn't like we was in the same places. We came together specifically for the music, meaning the first Digital Underground single

was a song called Underwater Rhymes, which came out in 1988, distributed through Mocha McCullough record. And they were promoting that record. Shot Master J, Shot G, and Kenny Kay, rest of peace. He was from Tampa. That's what shot is from, when he would come down, they needed a DJ.

At that same time, me and DJ Fuse were a group called Raw Fusion, and my guy, MacMone. And we were... MacMone. Oh, okay. I'm MacMaw. Okay. You know, that's a little bro.

But we were, so we were on the talent show, going to college radio. We was trying to get on. So we was just moving around. But at that time, DJ Fuse was recognized as probably one of the best DJs in the Bay at the time. So they wanted him, right? So through mutual friends, they set up a meeting with Fuse to be the DJ, right? But at that time, Fuse was written out of room in my mom's apartment. So imagine these niggas coming over to meet him to take your DJ away.

And I'm just sitting there listening to them, trying to convince them to go. But Fuse was like, yo, we're a group. If you rock with me, you got rock with him. That type of deal. And Shock was winning. He was like, let's roll. So what we would do was, in the beginning, we would do our show as Raw Fusion.

And then when our show was done, me and Mone would fall back and be the dancers for a digital underground, for Shock G and Digital Underground. And then little by little, because, you know, I did rhyme. Then I started becoming more like the hype man of it. But the next year, 89 was the first time. The first record that I performed on was do what you like, which was the next record. Wow.

That's when they started moving. That's great. It worked out perfect. Yes, sir. And staying, and like having like the moral understanding. to, like you said, you're not thinking about all the spotlight is on, his own shop. You see what I'm saying?

Yeah. He knew, like, he already rocked with me off the screen from my home, but we already hear. Yeah, I always admire that because it's like, you know, anytime you see a group, they always fall out of shit like that. But once you've got to understanding that is we instead of me, it makes the shit a whole lot. We were a collective, and everybody knew

coming in. So here's a misconception. People would think that us, because we did eventually do a raw fusion album, and let's take a Tupac who went on to his success, people are always like, yeah, he left the group. It's like, no, we were Wu-Tang before Wu-Tang. We were a collective of all of individual artists and groups coming together for A-Vision, you know, which was shocked a vision for Digital Underground, get that pop in, and then everybody else was on spring. And I was like, I'm going to do everything that I can to make sure that we all get what we want to get, which was deals and to be... Individual style. So that's kind of how it worked.

And for myself, like I was mentioned to you, growing up in and around the Black Panther Party, I was raised to always be about community. Community first. You said, both of your parents was black parents? Yeah. Man, what was it like growing up in that house? Well, they weren't together. But I'm saying that it would be that pro-black on both sides.

That makes it even crazy. They ain't together, and you think you're going to get away and go straight back over to somebody that's doing the same thing your mama doing. What's wild is, so I grew up, I actually had two mothers. Because my dad, when he got with my stepmom, and then it didn't work out between them either, but I still had another mother and raising me my actual mother and my stepmother worked together to raise me.

Wow. With my dad as well. But I'm only saying that to say like the concept of you know, teamwork, make the dream work, it was already in me. It was instilled in me that, okay, this is how we're going to,

this is how we're rolling? you up first, let's go. Let's do it. But then you also have to have the confidence to know that you up next. But when you get up, you're going to do what you need to do. You got to be ready. You know what I mean? We were all ready.

So it was like, so it wasn't like, you know how they say, you know, don't, just if you don't dim my candle to make you a shine. You can't dim somebody. You know, I felt like eventually I'm going to shine. get it, right? So I want you to do everything that, you know, I want them to know how dope you are as well. Because I know I'm dope too. When they know you dope, they're going to see the other doperous around us. And we're all going to be dope. Yeah, we step up all the way. We got to go back because, you know, Oakland, one, between all us, that's probably one of our

favorite cities. Without question. Somebody grew up there. What was it like in the 80s, man? You know, we had two short on here telling us about it. What was your experience growing up in Oakland and Haiti's made the town. When everybody getting rich and you know, y'all got some of the most legendary drug dealers in the country. That was ever.

I grew up in that era because, you know, they did introduce crack to Oakland because of the Black Panthers and all the movement that was going on there to break up the community. That's crazy that crack originated out of the same

place that the Black Panthers originally. They dropped it there. They dropped it there. They dropped it in Chicago. Of course, they had it in New York. But Oakland specifically, because we need to break that up. And then what it became really, it was the drug dealers. It was the Black Panther Party, but the people don't know.

The Black Panther Party was like, you can't sell these drugs. You know, for one thing, you can't do it nowhere near our school, right? And then also, if you're doing it, then you got to basically, you know. You got to break bread. You got to break bread. You got to do what we need you to do for us. And whether it's, whether it's dough or if it's, you know, some sort of situation. Yeah.

That's how it worked. You know, you couldn't move around. You can't just take from the community. Yeah, you can't take from the community. Yeah, you can't take from the end. Damn, they're fucking the community up. Right. Yeah, exactly.

And they might not have known how much it was fucking it up then, but boy. Yeah, so you got to think when I was, you know, in 86, 87, 88, when that shit really started happening, that's when I was. Of age? Yeah. You know, I was moving around. So I was. So you was able to see it. Huh?

So you was able to see it. Bro. Like, it's crazy because it's like, man. So we were talking about Little D, right? Right. I literally seen Little D that people talk about. I was with that, I'm that. age era where I'm on the bus and I see these nakes all these benses and you know what I mean

and all the fly shit you know what I mean yeah what did that you do to your mental to see because you grew up with playing football in the street go from kids to millionaires just in a couple years I knew what it was because everybody it was it was you you couldn't be outside and not know somebody or be associated with somebody yeah because it was just everywhere, right? So you see the guys, you know what's going on. I'm sorry to cut you off.

How did the music, did the music keep you from stepping into it fully? Like, because I know it was available to you. Yeah, it was. Easily could have walked outside. Easy. I mean, what did you give me to him?

I mean, for disclosure, you know, I fucked around. Everybody. You know what I mean? but it was more of one of the things. Like, so, remember, I'm telling you, I was in the group, my man Macomb. Right.

He was one of the guys, right? He was always like, bro, you don't need to do that. Right. Right. But then you think about it, I'm with my dudes. Like, I'm in the crack house. Everybody getting money with me. But I'm taking all the risks.

Right. If they get pulled over, I'm in the car with them. Right. With everything. Right. What I get some money? What everything. So my guy, um,

MacMone, he got locked up. And that's like my, you know, he's like my best friend. And he was the one like, don't do it. I'm handling it. When he got locked up, it was nobody telling me, don't do it. So then I fucked around. Very, I was the worst drug deal ever. Most people wanted to admit.

Most people who met that. What's the music scene like this time? What's the music scene? What's the music scene at that time? So 87, 88. Too short, starting to. Oh, Too Short is rocking. Because remember, his verse vinyl,

he already had tapes. I've been listening to Two Short since like 82, 83. He had cassette tapes. Yeah, because he would make individuals. Yeah, he was making things. And I had, I probably had, so you know when you have the tapes, right, back then, you got a tape, right?

Oh, shit, let me get a copy. Keep copying and copying and copying it. So each time that you copy a tape is the next generation of the tape. So by the time you dub it like 10 to 12 times It's fucked up, right? Or it's very low. That's because you ain't put this you ain't stuffed the corners No, that's how you get that's how you get that's how you get that's how keep the shit from getting low to my brother He's fucked with the music shit here. He told me that he told me how when your tape pop you could take the fingernail

polished and put that shit back together. You got to unscrued it and put that shit back together You got to unscrew the I will cry on my tape away But what I'm only saying is to say that I want went to school with a dude who was, if you heard too short talk about Hot Lips, was one of the guys that used to record some of his shit. It was Hot Lips' little brother or cousin, so basically I was getting second generation, like next to the first copy. I was getting the next. You were getting a good copy. I had his whole collection of cassettes, and I let this This nigga borrow.

Oh, you fucked up. He's like, man, let me just copy the tapes. Never to be seen again. That motherfucker's worth money. What? That they exist. Man, but they probably don't. They probably don't.

You don't have an appreciation for it. That's crazy. He didn't take on it. Now, I want to say this. I don't know if this is historically accurate, but I know this is my introduction to it. The first time you really seen rappers and porn stars, kicking it was with Digital Underground

and Heather Hunter and shit like that. Oh, yeah. Sex in the studio. Yeah. Yeah. How did that shit come about? Because, you know, everybody's rap about it, everybody talk about it, but to actually see this shit happening.

Yeah, so we're doing, you know, at this point, Freakset Industry is one of our bigger songs, right? So... They made a whole series of... I had a... Like porn movies. I know you've seen The Freaks of the Industry. I have.

West Coast Productions. Yes, sir. We had an adult film company, me and my cousin Clay. And we did that series. But then they started paying us just to do straight up porn. We went to Brazil, shot down there. Shit was crazy. Go on there.

So what happened was, like right around 98, 99, I had friends of ours, D Money and KB. They did this thing called the. players ball, which was during the porn, the avian, the porn convention, they would do this big party for their marketer. And they hired us to perform there, like

99 and 2000. And I went always... Snoop had the hose on the leash and got a trouble. Well, he had his own thing. He had a different deal. Snoop had brought some holes. No, he didn't have... Newt had it all. But the one of the shows that we did do was with

Ice Tea, and Ice Tea had, what's her name? Coco. Coco. Well, titty's out? Titties out. Just, you know, on everything. I was the first time I never seen some shit like that. So my guy... Some white woman titties out. It might have been history. Yeah. American history.

The first time you ever seen that. White woman tities is off limits. Yeah, and I'm just standing up, too. Oh, yeah. That's just crazy. It was for the show. But my guy, KB, he was like, he's like, bro, you should get into porn. I was like, nah. He's like, I'm telling you.

That's some crazy shit in the hell of this. Hey, Lose, man, you know, you should stop fucking on camera. I knew what he was talking about. I got to get you guys! I got to kill him. He's whole deserved to fuck you. Yeah, he was saying on the production side. He was saying like, look, and at the time, you know, when we were in the same areas and places, you know what I mean?

Like, you know, our music is played in strip clubs and we were at their porn parties. And for a long time, I was like, nah. I ain't doing that. I ain't doing that. And then when I moved to Southern California, one of our friend Swaveh, who was you know, he's in the movies.

If you look him up. That's like with a brawny tail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I have no problem. I am a born connoisseur. So you know everybody I'm talking about. I know everybody you're talking about.

Yeah, yeah, so so we're hanging out with Swab and Swab. Bro, he's a porn star, and he basically is kind of like the same thing when I'm talking about selling dope. It's like it's right there for you. Why not do it? That's why he was always known for going out and finding the new exactingos that wasn't in the industry. Yeah. I see, I watch a lot of podcasts and shit.

I can't remember exactly who it was that said that, but he was the one who brought Superhead to the porn. Mr. Monkers, yeah. Exactly. Oh, shit. So I had the host. We do our first thing. and we got Mr. Marcus, Lacey DeVal, swive. You know what I mean?

Love, the hitters. What's her name? Heather Hunter. Light skin. Heather wasn't in ours. What's she? I'm trying to think. We did something later.

Okay. And one of, you know, one of our things, I believe. Shout out to Heather Hunter. What's the girl's name? She was big at the top. Janet Jack? No, not Janet Jackie. Oh, Janet Jackson, yeah.

We started her. She did our first thing with us. Y'all, you know, y'all got to get him. I want to say, yeah, I think we did our first scene. Yeah. Before, yeah, we did Janet Jackson. There ain't got no points. But then, Saxon, you've seen it.

My brother, my stepbrother, literally, it was new face to me before new face. I got a stepbrother. This dude got damn there every rap tape from everywhere. Yeah. He got all the Memphis classes. He got all, like, anytime a rapper would drop some shit, He's on it because he fucked with the music so hard like that.

Oh, where is he? He from Mississippi. No, where is he? Where is he? Right now. In Mississippi. That's where he at? Yeah.

Because who, I was at, uh, V-103 earlier, and they told me to look out. Newface? You're looking at for Newface. And I got something for him. Hit Newface. I got something for him. All right, bet. My backpack.

Newface is a pop-lo-haired. No-face is dope-shy. I'll make sure that every time we got somebody. Let me see the back. Wow. You're right. The music industry come through. We gotta make sure we ask him this.

Who taught you how to rap? Show me a week. Who taught me how to rap? Who taught you how to rap? Well, I always tell people there's no money be without first too short just because he was in my city. And that was the first person that I physically saw that was actually doing it. You know what I mean? Like you could actually reach out and touch him.

but then me being, you know, because when I first was wanting to start rapping, at that time, the cyphers, everybody had been, you know, he was loud and like that. So then I used to listen and like a guy named Spoonie G. Spoonie G. And, you know, the new rap language, from the south to the west of these.

Because he was smooth, and he was talking about the ladies. And then when Rakim came out, it was over. That was me. Okay. So I just kind of, I started off pattering, you know, patterns, as I say, patterning. Myself, after that. Like, if you hear my first, man, I still have it, my very first demo that I wrapped. That's fair.

That's fair. That's right. I did as a real song. Yeah. Bro, it was like I was imitating Raquim. It's embarrassing when I hear it back. You know what I mean? But that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's,

That's part of the learning process. That's what it was. Yeah, you emulate what you, what you want to become, and then you turn it into your own thing. Like the same way, if you hear Tupac's early shit, he was emulating Scarface because that was his favorite rapper. And I used to fuck with him, like, nigga, what he said? I'm like, why he caught me his Scarface?

He couldn't help it. That's just who we listen to all the time. And that was his, but then now you don't associate Pop with Scarface. He's Tupac because he started there and then he evolved and then he found his, his, his, his, his spot. Now being a pioneer in the Bay Area, all of the legendary acts that came, you know, somewhere after y'all, like who did you see before? Like, did you know any, like, for example, Mac Drake when that, did you know that was going to kick off before it kicked off? Well, believe it or not, Mac Drey came out first in 92. He had two careers. He came out 91, 92, like, sort of like in our era, but it was...

Straight gangster rap, though. Straight gangster rap. Of course. And then when he went to jail for the bank robbery shit, got out eight to nine years later, and then he reinvented himself and became the Mac Dre that we all know. You understand what I'm saying? That's one of my favorite rap is out of the bay. My thing got twisters, two sets like sisters.

But to what you're saying, when my God brother was in school, he used to rap with Dale the Funky Homo sapien when he was in eighth grade. So I knew, I knew Dale when he was in the eighth grade. That's the one of the most dope rap names ever, Dale the funky homo sapiens. Have you ever heard a crazy-ass song? He got called Mr. Dobelina? Yeah. That song gets played. That's on the first album.

Yeah, that song still get, like, white people love that song. They love that song, man. That was his first single. Yeah, way before, like, I hit any stages, I used to go on Friday mornings and do this radio station in Ole Miss, right? I knew the two white dudes, they was like, you know, they had kind of like a morning show, and they had, like, you know, some popularity.

Like, they was known for having a good-ass morning show. I used to go on there on Friday and just talk shit, right? Bro, that was one of the songs that they used to call every morning. Played Mr. Double-Eamie. He's dope. Now, I want to ask you this, too, bro. Outside of all the music shit, bro, you got to see a lot of hip-hop history right in front of you.

What are some of your favorite moments that you was just in the background, just peeping, watching it unfold? There's a lot. Well, I was just talking about this earlier today. Not as a dozen, doesn't relate to hip-hop, but we were doing a show in Germany the night the Berlin Wall came down. I remember watching that shit on TV as a kid. And we were coming from a show, riding through the city,

and shit is on fire. My fuck is running around. It just looked chaotic, right? And it was like, what's going on? It was like, oh, you guys want to go see it? Did y'all go? We went by there, but it's like, you want to go get a piece of it? I remember watching that shit on TV as they was doing it.

Yeah, bro, he was there. That's cold. Like, you can't. That's world history right there. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's bigger than hip-hop. But, I mean, that. And then, you know, obviously, if we look back on it now, it's like,

probably, I want to say when Pock was recording Tupaclips now, the first album, 85% of it I was sitting right there just watching it. You know what I mean? Like, if you go listen to the album, I'm doing a lot of background and adlips,

but that's why I'm on, Brenda's got a baby because I just happened to be there with Dave Hollister, who was with me that day. Hold up, man. Bring it back. I didn't even know this shit.

Come on, man. Dave Hollister. Yeah. What is the Dave Hollister connection to Brenda's Got a Baby? So he's singing he's the male voice on Brenda's Got a Baby. Damn, I just put that together. That is Dave. So, and this is how we...

Hold the fuck. Wait a minute. Call that name. Wait, that fucking, man. Man, you just fucked me a pony. You didn't know that? No, so listen. I never even thought to put that together.

And this is one of my favorites things. That's why then he came back and he did. keep your head up. He's on that too. He don't keep your head up. That's crazy. Man, I walk up out. That's crazy. Keep your head up.

Yeah, but how it happened, it was wild because... We did have breaking news, babe. We used to have the studio at that time, we was working on the Tupac's album, the Rawfusion album, and the Sons of the P album, the second Dish Underground album, right? And Gold Money

was. another group down with us. They were signed to Tommy Boy. So we had Starlight Studios booked 24 hours a day for like three months. So when my session went in... Walk across the hall. Well, no, it was one studio. So I got to get out so that they can get in. You know what I mean? It was one studio like a room like this. Yeah. And so that particular day, I had the earlier session, right? And I knew Pac, you know, he wrote that song because he read an article about what that really happened in New York. I think it was in New York Times or whatever. And Big D produced it, produced it was his DJ, but he's my childhood friend. I put them together.

So he produced the tracks. I knew they were doing that song. But it just so happened that Dave was in the bay because Chymaster Jay, who I mentioned earlier, one of original members, he had a group called Force One Network on Jay Records, on Quincy Jones label, I believe, and Dave was the singer because he's, in the way he found him, because Dave is cousins with Casey and Jojo

from Chicago, they're cousins, right? So he's like, yo, bro, you got to slow down. You are fucking us up What? Dave Hollister and Casey and Jason They're cousins They're singing the church together Back in the day

So Jimmy found Dave But he's just a square church nigga right So Jimmy calls me And he's like Yo man what's doing

He's that man Come get this nigga Like come take him around Drive him around or something Because he's just sitting in the house I was like All right So I go grab him.

I was like, I got a session. Now, mind you, I knew that he sung about it. I was about to say you didn't know, did you know. I didn't know. I was about to ask, did you know what it was when you picked him up? No, because he was just a new nigga. You know what I mean? Get him out of the house, man.

Just get him. Yeah, come get this kid. Yeah, so I went and grab him. And at the time, there was also this other artist from San Diego, Deb, who was working on some music. I think we're label. I think I want to say Columbia Records, but they were paying Deion to do her music. So we're together,

and at the time Tupac was dating Yo-Yo, right? That was his girl, but Deb and yo-yo- Would you stop? I'm bringing it all again. It's all going to make sense. Because all this shit really happened in one day. One day. Y'all can sit there and act like you do this shit.

Okay, and one day, right? So I get Dave. And, you know, I put them on death, like, it's deaf. They ended up fucking around with each other. But Rannis, the girl singer, she was there because she was there working on my stuff. So afterwards, we just hanging out. And Dave comes from church, so does Rannis. So the beat is playing, and they just start viving and just doing that.

Just in the studio standing there. And we're standing around, and two-bye goes, man, can y'all do that in there? Mm-hmm. And then we're there like, fuck it. Because if you go back, he listened to Brenda's got a baby. It's only one verse. Yeah. So there's no structure.

So he didn't come in there knowing that he was going to have singing on it. That shit happened organically. We just happened to be there. And then he's like, yo, mine say this line. I was like, all right. Do you want me, Zach? Just did it. Damn.

Damn. That's great. You heard. Wow. Wow, man. You heard. And then you said he came back and got on keep your head up, so. Yeah, so obviously they connected, you know, Papa's good.

They made a hit. Yeah. That's crazy, man. Like you said, you, you was in the studio 85%, like I'm 33. Okay. I was about four. And everything, you know what I'm saying, transpired. Like, you got to see even.

who I heard about. You see what I'm saying? So it's like, even with Brenda's got a baby and to keep your head up, it's, did you know he was gonna be that type of star when you saw him? There's no way to know that somebody's gonna, you know. You know, that's something for, be like,

what they got the it fat? You know, everybody got star to me if you got it. You can, he had it, but that doesn't mean that you're gonna- Like right now, you know, there's Tupac, there's Bob Marley, there's Elvis, You know what I mean? Nobody could...

I could tell you that that's what you're going to be in. You won't believe yourself. Like, because that's not what you... Thinking. That's not what you set out to do. And it's the reality of the being there factor. Like, you know this person. Right, right, right.

Like, to us, he's a mythical figure. That's his homeboy. Right. Like, that shit... Yeah, because it's funny, because a lot of cats... So, like you said, he was... He was our, you know, he was our guy. Like, we was bringing him along.

And so, and people would be like, Yo, what was it like being with Tupac back then? And I was like, the question is you should ask Tupac what was like being with me back then. Because I was the guy. What was it like? You know, you had the hole. You just looked like the nigga that they're going to send me to get the hole.

Don't get all the old. Walk around a corner, 17 bitch. That's fair enough. He got 17 bitch. This is a light skinned nigga with freckles. Of course. You sent him to get the hole. That's me, bitch.

They didn't come back to 17. and come back with so many. This nigga invisible. You don't even see him. He got to make his way, too. Oh, man. That's crazy. Ligger out there to get everybody to porn.

I ain't never got anybody to no porn show. You don't want to go? You're crazy. You don't want to get... You think they're going to be fucking. They're going to be in there doing that. Hey, man, but you know what, they're dancing like a fucking. When you, when you're doing it, it's hard.

Right. You know, no pun intended. That's great. But, no, because you don't look at the same, because you got to sit there. and get it done. Right. Yeah, all of the bullshit and complaining and shooting it over and doing this.

Hey, man, the pussy that don't look right. Yeah. That's a camera. Or the guy that can't, you can't. And that's why you would always see the same guys in all the pornos, because a lot of guys can't do it. You get in front of that camera. Yeah, get in front of that camera. Yeah, get it up and say, right, I didn't sign up for this, nigger.

Oh, that's got to go to sleep. Going out of a room, hit the call, and y'all get the head out of here. You ain't got to watch me. Really rocking and rolling. I can, I ain't never been negative around there many people before. Yeah. Yeah, it's not easy. So being as though, like, you know, pop is, you know, of course, the greatest.

You know what I'm saying? And, like, being that you were there, when you saw him step away from you guys, and a lot of the stuff that people criticize Park for, a lot of stuff that they say, you know, he went to the West Coast and became all these different people, and he was, you know, mind he was 25 years old, but your influence on him, like, where were you during the time when it was mega pop?

To me, he started to move into a different stratosphere after me against the world came out. That was the album that had Dear Mama. Yeah. Because that was the song that, you know, took him to another level, right? But he had, he had, so here's an example.

The very first time I heard Pock on a song that wasn't our production was Definition of a Thugnigua. Warren G. produced it. It was on the soundtrack. I forget what the soundtrack. Was it, was it Poetic Justice? Yeah, I think it was the Poetic Justice. And when I heard it, I felt like a, even though we're a, you know, roughly the same age.

I felt like a proud papa. Like, he's going. You know what I mean? Like, fly. Because I'm like, okay, now he's starting to really move. So for us, we always, we championed all of his successes, right? Because to us, if he did well, he looked great,

we look great. You know what I mean? Because he came from us. And we knew, we knew, We knew what he wanted, and he was getting to what he wanted. You know, he was passionate. And his, his, I've never seen somebody with more work ethic than Tupac. Stop fly, that bitch don't work.

Thank you. The story getting deep. I'm trying to visualize my boys at work. Yeah, that's some work ethic right there. Because I'm trying to visualize O.G and their working. Good evening, man. That's how he knocked out so much music. because he was non-stop.

But you just said something that was profound, like him being able to have the vision to put that together with Dave Holliston, and then just in the studio, like, that's what I always hear about pop, like he would be in the studio, I, niggins. Whatever he said last, that's the name of the song, you put them niggas on there.

Yeah, man, get the shit on. Yeah, he heard them in the corner and was like, no, I need that in there. You know what I mean? He ain't wasting nothing. He called it and was like, go do that. I gotta ask you this. Sure.

Who did you meet the adju-starstruck? Starstruck. Hmm. Knoom's at a time what famous was famous a nigga. Who did I meet that I was star struck? Papa Rice and was popping that. That's a good one. I'll be trying to be there.

Even, I'll tell you better. Not who I met that I was star struck. Who I met and I was like, I can't believe this is actually happening. You know, we did the, we did the, I did the, I bet. I think it was called the Kans Film Festival in France. France, yeah. So we're out there, and we get there, and this is around the time when Soul was popping.

Oh, yeah. You know, I'll ever think you want it. Keep on move. Go. Keep on moving. That was just, that shit, I know you're not old enough. When that shit was out, it controlled the world. It was everything, right?

So we get there, and they're like, y'all want to go get something to eat. So they take us to this restaurant and Karen Willer's in there, right? And I think, I'm going to say Culeo's in there. And what's the name?

The dude from Soto So, the producer, what's the name, something B? Damn it, I can't think of his name. But the guy that you know when you see the images with the stress, he's in there. And he gets kicking and drinking and drinking all those.

The next thing I know, shock is on the piano playing and Karen Willer is singing to him playing and as that's happening Coelio bust saying and he's doing this and I was like... All at the restaurant. This shit real. Jam session.

Yeah, it's an impromptu jam session in South France. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's fair. That's a great question, my question is who did who did you shock when they were a fan of you? Like, when somebody saw you and was like, oh my God, and you were like

You know me? There is, I'm trying to think. Because I'm, in my mind, I always think like they don't know me, right? Because I'm like, you know, shock was the main guy. So I'm always, like, I don't go into a room thinking they know me. Because everybody don't know you. I don't care who you are. Right.

You know what I'm surprised. What I'm more surprised is when people remember me. Meaning, you know, when we were on tour with a public enemy, right? I used to go out, me Trench and Tupac. We used to watch their show every night. Like, go out in the audience and just study it and watch it. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, we're on there with heavy D and, you know, light

and all of these people that I'm fans of, because they were doing it before us. And then you see them years later, and I go, what's up, honey-bee? I'm like, oh, shit. You know what I mean? Right. It's a good feeling to know that you actually made an impression on somebody to where they actually have stories about you.

You know, I'm not even knowing, you know, I'm probably whaling out. Because I was younger. I was a little wilder when I was younger. Right? He was like, bro, he was struggling around the corner with 17, bitch. He's going to make that a reality, ain't he? He's going to go to the balloon, pop, yeah. Now, that's what I want to talk about.

That shit looked like it was so fun. Take me back to that day. I get a round video. Bro, that was the funnest day. It looked like it. That thing just went. That thing just thought days. That was the fun.

It looked like it. I can't explain it. It was fun. Because we just had fun that day. Like, at the end of that day, that was the funest day in my life to that point. Yeah. Wow. That's how much fun.

Which day topped that? I don't know. But I just remember leaving, like, damn. And before that, the do-what-you-like video was the funnest day of my life. That's right. So how could you top that? Then we did the I get-around video. Because it was like we really just had a good time.

Yeah, kick. Good time. Man, that's crazy. I mean, just the history that you were a part of, man. Like, for example, E-40 is one of my favorite rappers. I love 40. Yeah. Love, OG.

By being in the space of, you know, the Bay area, a lot of people that don't know, to Bay is probably the only place in America that has a collection of cities that are, you know, notoriety just accepted as one place, you know what I'm saying? Like, everywhere else is trying to create that. They're trying to do that with the DMV, but y'all did it. Like, do you give credit to, like, the guys, like, 40 and from Balejo or, you know, like, what made that come together like that in your eyes? I think, especially coming from the Bay Area, it's so diverse.

from and the bay is crazy because from city to city we had different slang and different like I could tell you from San Francisco how you talk

and how you dress if I see you I know if you say what's up Cuddy you gotta be from Richard or Valleo he'd be like what up oh these niggas from

San Jose like we can identify that because it's so different even though we're all right there it's like within our culture

there's a bunch of subcultures around but But all of them, like, we all respect each other's culture as well. So, you know, what E40 did, nobody but E40 could do it. You understand what I'm saying? What we did, only we could do that.

What Soza Mischief did and hieroglyphics, that was their thing. You know, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, and Vogue, MC Hammer. You know what I'm saying? Like, all of us were, you would never know we were all from the same place. because we sounded so different. That's crazy. But we all existed together and we had respect for each other.

So we would be, you know, say I'm in a club. Here come E-40. What up? You know, we said, and crazy shit. So I bought my mom a crib in Vallejo and I go to the grocery store. This is like 94, right?

And I go to the supermarket. I was going to get some drink. And I say he's thinking E-40. coming out to school, right? And I was like, he's like, what you doing out here? I was like, bro, I moved out of here. He's like, where you at? Da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

He said, where you at? I'm going to come over there. I was like, yeah, right. So I was like, all right, I'm over here. I'll come back. 30 minutes later, ding-dong. The nigga came, pick me up, throw me around. You know what I'm saying?

That's crazy. And we kicked it. drank, he showed me, you know, around where his way was and all that shit. Correct, too. And so it had nothing to do with the style of the type of music we made. We just... Bay Area. Yeah, yeah.

Get down with each other. That's amazing, man. Like, being as though so much, I didn't even know it in Vogue was from the Bay Area. How did you not know that? I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Oktown, 35, 7. Well, I know that.

Yeah, 35, 7. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, the town specifically, Oakland, like, you know, a lot of the guys that are coming up in the city now, do you still involve yourself in the music scene in the Bay, in Oakland specifically? I do and I don't, meaning my tie to that is there is a production team in Oakland called the Mechanics.

if you if you don't have a mechanics track you ain't been in the back you know what I mean they are the sound of the bay of that mob music that mob style they just put out new record shout out mechanics but anyway

a lot of people don't know four racks of the mechanics was our DJ and he used to leave my barber when I had hair so he comes from us so digital underground is still really moving and shaking

through him You know what I mean? And they produce for anybody You know, the Jacker, MacMall, E-40 Mr. Favb, everybody You know, the mechanics You go to the bay and say the mechanics Like, come on the old, man

That's crazy That's like, you know, organized noise You know what I mean? It's the sound. Right, right. But they come from Digital Underground. What do you want the legacy of Digital Underground to be?

Um, What do I want it to be? Yeah. What do I want people to remember or know about the group? Is that we were really about the music and the culture. That was, that came first. Yeah. Meaning, Shagji was a real musician.

You know what I mean? The music was everything. Tupac was very passionate about his messaging and what he wanted to say. that was everything. I wanted to promote, like, I loved hip hop so much. I wanted to make the best hip hop that I could make. And, you know, I believe that I've achieved that a few times. You know what I'm saying?

Because I had super, like, I'm a historian when it comes to that. So, you know, I always wanted my OGs to, to when they hear, you know, to hear them say like, yo, y'all, y'all doing it. You know what I'm saying? Not like I needed the approval, but I always wanted to do right by the culture. And we all did.

So I think Digital Underground, our legacy should be that we really, really wanted to make good music. Like it wasn't, for us, it wasn't about, you have to remember, you know, like a certain message you want you to, to stop eating meat and some shit like that. We just wanted to rock.

Right. And give it, but give it to you, give you quality. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't going to come out if we didn't feel like it was, it was right. It was right. You know what I'm saying? And once you guys transitioned, like, you know,

Shok G started doing the things that he, I ain't going to say you guys broke up, but you, like, kind of separated. Like, when you guys came back together, did you have any desires? It's like, let's, you know, put the band back together again and do it again. Before Shock Pass, we were having conversations about doing a reunion tour. Because a lot of us went on to do things.

Like the Looney's is part of our collective. Like I said, the mechanics. And then we had a DJ new styles out of Milwaukee. And he went on to be the Milwaukee Bucks DJ. You know, he did great. Like everybody that was under us, went on to do greater things. And he wanted to have...

And then he introduced me the young hump who plays the character and we tour as Digital Underground right now. But Schott put that together. Because he was such a musician, you know, this is the... I say the gift and the curse. Schott was always upset

that he could never play the Humpty Dance live because he always had to be Humpty. You know, so he was always in search of, finding somebody that could play that character. And then we did find young hump. So the idea was we're going to put this last big tour. We're going to bring everybody together to actually show who we all became, right?

Unfortunately, it didn't happen. You know how long it took the world to figure out their hump and hump and shoggy with the same person? Like today o'clock? That's a word. That's crazy. People don't know. But it was purposeful, right?

Because we always had somebody play that part just to pull that up. Because Schock's brother, Kent, looks just like Schock. So when you look at same song video, the Humphy scenes, when he's just chilling, he's just shok, that's his brother. You know what I mean? So it was two people. You know what I mean? Just one of them could actually rhyme.

So then we're on the tour. So y'all really just going to sit here? Like y'all knew this shit. Okay, bet. We're getting history, baby. Yeah, and, you know, something that is just, you know, pops into my mind when I hear you talk about these people like Park and Shock and, you know, with these people being gone, like one of the things I don't think we discuss enough

is how we deal with the trauma of loss. Like, how do you deal with the loss of your home? boys and your partners to this day because I because the memories have to be different like these were your friends these were your partners to us they yeah well you know I always I'll explain it to people like it's very simple like when you lose a family member that's how it feels you know we were family and it hurt that way that's that's really the best way to explain it it's like no matter what I don't care how big you get if something happens to you, your parents or your brother, they're going to be hurt.

Right. You know what I mean? To everyone else is like, oh, wow, this big story and it's that. But it was as simple as that. You know, like I'll just say when I got the call that shock had passed, right? even though I knew shock was going through some things, right? And I was like, you know, who knows, right?

But to actually hear it, you know, I just broke down right there. Fell apart. But, you know, being as though you still have to continue on and, you know, the legacy of what these guys left, like, what is your goal and what do you want the people to know about these guys from your perspective, from first-hand perspective?

you know, about a Pock or a shock or, you know, any of your body. Well, first and foremost, I do want to, you know, my job now, as long as I'm here, is to continue the legacy and hope that to make sure as much as I can that people don't forget, you know, what we did, who we were, right? I think, you know, Tupac's safe, right? We don't know them forever. But, you know, a lot of people don't, it's so much. known about shock and digital underground and us that, you know, I have to come here and tell these stories. Absolutely.

So that people do know. And then I hope that you tell the stories for people that you know. And did you know that Dave Harvest. Exactly, yeah. But that's how it works. You know what I mean? I wrote a book. I wrote an autobiography, right?

And I was like, because people, you know, I have all these stories and people are like, you should write a book. Because it'd be some, you know, shit that I just say, oh, by the way, like, they'll be like, what? And I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right. And my brother all the time, he's like, why, you never tell me you was with this, did that.

I was like, I don't know, I'm just not thinking about it like that. You know, just move around. So, yes, we have to, we all have to tell our stories. Right. Like, you should write them. You should write two books. You know what I mean? Tell your story, because I always said if we don't,

if we don't tell our stories, years from now Big Daddy can to be a white dude with a mullet. They'll change our story if we don't tell our story. We have to preserve our stories. And I'm sure

his story is just as interesting in a way. You know, he has a story that all of us here will go, what? Just like you do, just like you do. So we just have to continue and always tell our stories. And that's how,

people learn and that's how legacies continue. You know what I mean? Yeah, well you're doing an amazing job. Hey, Moneybee, what's the place you went on tour? Mm-hmm. Like, worldwide around the world. What's somewhere you went and had way more fun than you never expected?

Japan. Yeah. Yeah. He did. Japan. I know. Hello. Konitjia.

You, poppy! Yeah, man, because they, you know, they love it. Damn. They love the culture of Japan. You never been to Japan? I've been to Japan? Man, Japan is... You been to Japan?

Yeah, I've been to Japan twice. Yeah. That was fun. Australia was fun. Australia, I heard, it's super lit. They just little black, they little boy. Yeah. They can't wait.

always tell me about Germany. I've never been to Germany. Germany's wild. Germany, I hate. What shocked you? Like, what place did you go to that was like somewhere that you'd say and people would be like, what? And it was... You're not out of show over there? Yeah.

I mean, we've been to Finland. Excuse me. What are here in Finland there? Like, what place... You mean, was I shocked to be? No, that shocked you. that they knew you guys and that the culture was there

and that you had an impact there, like somewhere that shocked you? Not really anywhere because we were, we were popular in Europe before we were popular in the United States. Hold up, bring that back, bring that back. What the team? That's what? Yeah, because what you like was the, when it was out, was the biggest record in Europe at a time.

So we toured Europe before we ever performed here in the United States. For real? Yeah, we left, because we, This is what happened. We recorded Sex Packets, the album. When we were done recording that album, we did a show in San Francisco, and then, I think, two days later,

we were in Europe on a tour for two months. And we came back right after Sex Package dropped while we were in Europe touring off of what you like. We got to lose some money in Europe, man. Yeah, so we was, you know, moving around. And so, you know, a lot of people will say, you know, people that saw it, that, you know, we had one of the better stage shows at the time. But we honed that in Europe.

In Europe, in coffee shops and wherever we was performing at. You know what I mean? So when y'all was over there, y'all were doing shows at, like, what would be the equivalent of getting on in the way? America, y'all was doing that in Europe. So the shows we were doing in Europe, the clubs would be about the size of this room right here. Promotional tour.

And it would be like a stage. Like promo tour. Yeah, promos. But they might do 30 of these motherfuckers. Y'all was getting paid, though. Not much. But still, you know. To promote the album.

Yeah, we promoted, right? So then you come and do the big show. We stayed alive. I didn't buy nothing new. We ate. Yeah, I had a favorite rent. All that shit, we got back. But no, but we were over there, and it's crazy.

So we had, so this one time, we go, now mind you, we had never, you know, the very first time we left was we went to Germany, right? And they're like, so, you know, it's this big three-day festival being televised all throughout Germany and parts of Europe, right? and you guys are performing. So we get out there as like Frankie Beverly, Bays, Queen Latifah, Ten City, I don't know if you all remember back in the day, Daddy Freddy, the Jamaican reggae duo. Daddy, Fred, dude.

Yeah, all of that. It was like three days of performances. And PMD. We like, yo, we want to see that, right? Look, we get out there, and they're giving us. shirts that say do what you like and buttons and shit. I'm like, oh, that's dope.

They made shirts for everybody. Come to find out, the whole three-day festival was called the do what you like festival. And we were the biggest act and we were headlining that festival. We didn't know. And we had like this opening act set of like 15 minutes. And we didn't know what the fuck to do. Thank you all for coming. Nigel.

So when we did, we ended up at the end of the show. We ended up just calling the PMD and twin hype and Queen Latif, we just called everybody else on stage to rhyme with us. And we just freestyled and rocked. That's fine. Wow. Back then, the motherfucker wasn't rapping it then when he was rapping lies. You're talking about no matter what you say, it's lit.

Yep. Bam, man. So that's how that was. We had no idea. So I guess you can say that was a surprise. Right. Because we did not know that a record was that big out there. That's crazy.

At a time, no phones, no internet, no nothing. You got to come outside. How you known is word of mouth and really somebody. And then take a picture you needed a real. Yeah, unless you go there, you don't know. There was no, there was no Internet. Right. There was no cell phones.

It was no. That was at a time where a record, if you on the East Coast you put it out it could take a few months before it got to the West Coast you know because I'm you know my family's originally from Philadelphia

so I used to go to Philly and New Jersey every summer I go and I bring the new Udini or the new whatever knowing that it's not going to get there for a couple of months isn't it was the first nigga in the bay where the freaks come out at night tape

Yeah man what's this song about the freaks you were yeah Who on this man That's crazy. Who that? So, you know, like you said, it was no internet, and I always ask people this who were famous back then.

Sure. Like, how, coming from that style of fame, how have you adjusted? Like, what has been the biggest adjustment from coming from that to now, all the access that people have to you, and how quickly people can get to you and all that? Very different. Yeah, it's different. Like, if it was cell phones and internet,

we'd be in trouble back then because we was acting up. I'm glad they couldn't record that stuff. But now, to me, bro, like, I've always been one to say, like, if there are tools out there that help us, use those tools. Yes, sir. Right?

So as these tools become available, my first thought is I need to learn how to do that. You know what I mean? I don't want to get left beyond. And though, you know, the people that fight it and resist change, technology that don't evolve, those are the ones they get left behind, right? And I'm going to put y'all up on game. Talk about the new project, which is part of that.

Okay. So who would you say transition you? Like, he asked you, who taught you how to rap? Who taught you the Internet? Who taught me the Internet? Jan and jack me. Not just me. No, for real?

I believe me. I had to figure out how to watch that. No, I'm just like. Jenny, Jay. Who taught me how to... Bro, I tell myself, I'm just, I'm wired like that. You know, I taught myself how to use pro tools.

I taught myself how to engineer. I taught myself, you know what I mean? Because I'm, I'm, I'm talking myself how to edit my videos. Like, I... Because I'm not a wait around, motherfucker. You know what I mean? You tell me you're going to come help me do something. Fight the third time.

I'm just not doing it in my dad. I'm just going to do it. And that's usually how it happens. So a lot of my skills on things like that come from me not wanting to wait for somebody to come or somebody telling me they're going to come and then they don't. You know, I don't want to put, I never like to have my outcome in your hand. meaning you can't control what happens to me.

You know what I mean? It happens with or without your participation. When you need somebody that has to do that for you, then you're at the mercy of on their time. And I don't like to be on people's time like that. Yes, sir. So I teach myself whatever it is I think I need to know, I try to figure it out.

Did you have kids? Do you have? Yes. Oh, okay. I always ask that too, because, you know, all that access you have, it probably was hard not to have a bunch of. I don't have to.

Lucky, I mean, how you pull that off? You were not a lot of fucking. Bro, I was disciplined. For real? You used them. Oh, okay, well, yeah, yeah. What's mean? When I was disappointed, man, you wasn't bugging me.

You are all right, you know that on you living life, baby. He said, I'm saying, don't put one of them things on. What you said? How did you feel it? You can't get him. Yeah, I was no problem. I'm a wild, wild, niggas, baby.

I was a wild, dude. Oh, okay, well, good, yeah. That was an era I wish I would have from the 70s, like, everyone would say 75. But I tell you what, though, not, here's the thing about that, not being no internet or whatever. If you, back then, if you met somebody on the road, like a girl or whatever, and she didn't get your number once you left that city

there's no way you ever see her if you don't want to you know what I'm saying now as soon as you walk out bro is tagging me you know what I mean

I'm watching you forever you can't yeah you can't run like yeah you can't move around like that man man that's crazy yeah it's like I swear to God

like You're seeing a lot, though. Where I was, you know, turn around. I was like, yeah, yeah, I was just there at the thing. I saw you. Damn. Yeah, y'all see that. Yeah, well, now, we used to it, though.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, so, but there was a time. Like, when you come in there? It was a time when it wasn't that. It wasn't that, right. And so if you didn't get somebody's number, there's no way. So we had to have our numbers. I had a black book.

A phone book. A black book. A little book that had all my numbers in it. We and beepers came out. Huh? We and beepers, that was, shit, that was 80s. 90s? No, no, no, no.

That was in 80s because the purpose of the beeper is, I'm going to beep you get to a phone. But you had to get to a pay phone. That's what I'm saying. It was like, I'm going to beep for you because I need you. Yeah, to a phone. You know, that was 80s. Alert. It was an alert.

That was the 80s. Big fat-ass beepers. So what? You got the call. And then they got slim. Right, but then when I got my beeper, because you know, you don't really have no beeper unless why you got a beeper. Right. So when I had a beeper and my mom was like, I know, you better not be doing what I can you do with.

Yeah, I used to walk around my uncle beeper, that bitch was off as a motherfucker. I was in the third grade walking around with a beeper that's off, acting like I was looking at something. Everybody had to remember the cold. I had a pre-paid phone at the same time. My grandma was like, he's selling that dope. But then, but then here's the thing. When you had the beeper, you had the number, but then you did, you had a code. Right.

Right. So, you know. You beep, and then you bleed the code so the next know who it is. Look, beep me 200. 0-163. Oh, you live on 63rd. Oh, you live on 63rd. That's a shot.

She's trying to hit me. So when they beep you, if they say get to a phone call them? Yeah, yeah, like call me back. Or. Or. 9-1-1. Or, it's emergency. They learned how to send messages in beepers.

Like, you know, you can spell hello and 3-0-0-0. That's why they say three or fours now. That's the code for hold. Yeah, turn it upside down. Yeah, HOE. So then you could do hello. I love you. You know, we had one for emergency.

You know what I mean? Text messaging before text messaging. Basically, but you had to do it all through numbers, though. So you have to make the numbers say what you want to say. Oh, you forgot about this too. When the budget gets mad at you, she'll just beep you and leave all the little stars. She just pushed the star on the phone. All day.

So it would come up and it just just. Number star. And then it'd be even longer. You remember when they had the other part of the beat where the shit could go over to the next little joint. It'll play that for a minute. Then it'll go to the rest of the beat. You remember that?

Are you talking about... I had a beeper at the end. I did you talk about the two-way pages, ringtones? No, it was on the beeper. You remember that? Because I had the beeper where that, my friend, you had a lighter beeper. And then it light up.

Original beeper, you didn't have no minutes. No, it was clear. It was real red. It was see-through. It was like the, all the old. brand. Okay. Shit was at the end.

Yeah, because I remember I used to get them shit and then you look like at the young column back. You can tell who the fuck it was because it'll just be a screen full of them stars. And then it'll like wait for a second and then to go to the other screen and it'd be like three, four more star. You'd be like, we're just mad at 15 stars. I just thought about something. I used to check my movies and like, in the 90s, I ain't never see no cell phone. Yeah, everybody. I mean, I ain't known about no cell phone.

Like, my phone ain't had a cell phone. Because you remember them flat joints. Brick came right after the brick. My dad had one of the briefcase. You can have a small battery, you have a bigger battery. A big battery lasts longer. But the small battery, you can put in your pocket. I remember all the cell phone had the little fat-ass charge.

And then you was buying the phones that was unlocked, you know what I mean? With a chip. The chip in it. You know, $50. You don't worry about it. Yeah. I got the hookup type shit. Let's talk about the new project, man.

Okay, sure. First of all, what keeps you motivated to still make music after all this time? Because I love it. You got to love this shit. You know what I mean? You fall out of love with a lot of people do. A lot of people do. A lot of people, kid, it's a tough business.

It's a toxic relationship when you love or hate entertain. Yeah, exactly. You go ahead and make it like. You get to live it. There's a lot of times when you're like, man, fuck this shit. But then the next thing you know, like an hour later, you're fucking with. Making some beat. Yeah.

So for me, it's giving me everything that I've asked for more. Yeah. So it didn't disappoint me. It does disappoint a lot of people if you don't do it or you don't get it the way you thought you should or people don't know who you are. Right. Everything that I wanted, I pretty much. got it and some more

and when I say that I always wanted to to make some music or make a song that would be here after me and we did that

you know long after I'm gone a couple times over yeah you're going to hear our music right so I did that so I'm not

so now I think this is the first time that I'm creating for myself that being Meaning back in the day, you were signed to a record label, right? So the label had to tell you if the album was okay.

Or, and then if you didn't make a song that was, if the single wasn't a song that could be played on the radio, the label wouldn't be happy. Or if the single doesn't sell a certain amount of units, you feel like you didn't make good enough music because enough people didn't like it. Now, I don't, that shit don't matter. I make shit that I like to do.

You know what I mean? Like, I'm not doing it for somebody else. Me too. That's why most of my songs about TEDded. Yeah, I do this shit for me. I'm doing it for people who want to hear me. You know what I mean? Like, if somebody, you know, mine, I always love your, how you rock.

Check this out. Like, I'm too old to try to prove shit to nobody. Well, just, I don't try to convince nobody and nothing. I'll tell you right away. I can tell you something if you say it ain't true. I go, all right. Yeah, I ain't tired of convince your stupid ass. Yeah, I ain't trying to convince you.

Like, I'll let you know. Right. I'll get you the information. We got any surprise. It's up to you. We got any surprise features on that? I got Crazy Bone from Bone Thugs on there. I got Big Touch from Above the Law, Razz Cass.

now guap dad 4,000 he's from Oklahoma yeah the single the singles with Gwop and you know I'm a fuck with Gwop Gwap

Gwap reminds me of me back then okay it's a fly young Oakland nigga that talking shit and he and he rock with it

so the single is sitting next to me in the video but the the project I'm going to show you guys it's a what we call

it's a tap-to-play fan card meaning you tap this to your phone, right? Where it's mine. And it brings up all the shit. And it opens up a standalone platform

that not only has the full album, but then you got videos, you get the credits. It works. You open your phone. and tap it. Yeah, you go.

And so you can scroll through, look at the videos, see the credits. You know, so I'm giving you the full project, right? Go on top on the phone too. Yeah, go ahead, tap it. Full album, right? Video, so the album is all new music, but then the audio and video side of it, I'm sort of bringing you into our Digital Underground History,

meaning, you know, the project is called Analog Wishes Digital Dreams, right? And I gave it that title because when we came out, everything was analog, right? And that's when we had aspirations, right? And through our career and in Digital Underground, pretty much our dreams of being where we are today kind of came through that. So I'm giving you new music, but I'm also giving you, I'm sharing some of our history. You can't. You have to have a card. So right now you can play it,

but as soon as you close your phone and try to open it back up again, it's not going to work. It's going to disappear. But that's the whole thing, right? So that's what the project is, and I'm selling it from our, you know, our digital underground merchandise website,

which is d-u-merch.com. So you got to think about it like this. You on Spotify, right, you get 0.004 cent per stream. Right. So you basically, you got to have a, you got to do a million streams to make about $4,000.

I can sell 100 cards and make that and more. You understand what I'm saying? And this is direct to the consumer. And not only that, when they purchase the card and when they're communicating and listen to you, you get all that data.

That's your data. When we give our music to YouTube and Spotify, they get that data. They know the IP address. They know exactly who's reaching out. You know how you look on Instagram, oh, 50% of women and this age likes my shit. You get all that.

Yeah, right. It's yours. And you can use it. So not only do you get all this content on here, but this also doubles for me as a membership card. So now if I'm doing a show, and I'm like, who got the AWD? DD, 40% off merch right now.

Meet me there. Or meeting Greek opportunities that you only get if you have this. You know, we do a, we're doing an album release party in Atlanta, right? Who the fuck got that on jailkey? Who got it? Right. You can do whatever you want. So, and it's not just about music.

You guys should have it as well. I know. You know. Put my only thing. It's ways that you, all that shit. Yeah. Then you hit some off from my own thing. What? What do y'all mean? It's just me in front of like three house fans. Let's see.

Because, you know, we come from an era of tangible products. We used to buy the CD. Right. Physical copies. So now I'm giving that back to you with artwork. You know, you can get in there, read the credits. All of that. Oh, fuck, hold it. Hey, boo, once you get out of it, you got a head guy to get back on it. Yeah, because what it does is, each time you tap it, it creates a unique URL. So I can't. So you're on my phone, you can't just, hey, bro, this is, you can't copy, paste and send somebody. Man, we need that technology. Right.

Right. But that's what I'm saying. What are you going to go straight to the ad. What's the price? $35. $35. Yep. And it comes with.

Right now. Right now. Because this is the first, the first run of it. And the first 100, I'm signing, right? Man, I don't get it. Then also, I'm capping it at $1,000 for this project. I got you. I got you.

I got you. What's he doing? I'm gonna buy one for all of us. We'll give it back to you, Flats. He got the $100. Yeah, he's all right. Hold it. Hey, man, I'm tall, man.

You do it. Yeah, I got you. My wallet is there. We got you. Hold it, hold it. I have them no more. So. Can't be seen grabbing money on camera.

Yeah, I know. I'm sure. I forget what I was just saying. No, you were talking about just the access to the car, and you're setting in for 35 right now. Yeah, right now. But you got to get it from the website. So what I'm saying is it creates a unique URL that you can't copy.

Right. And I'm capping it at a thousand. So once you have it, it instantly becomes a collective item because only a thousand will persist of this particular project. And then after that, I'll move on to the next one. So now if you buy it, now you can resell it at a greater price because now it's a collective. Right. And you know how it is with us, like somebody you like, there are people that are going to buy it

and never even put it to their phone. They just want the car. Because it's a digital-around project that we did. Just the straight-line to the app. So it's so many uses for this, but it also... It's direct-to-consumer for it. And it sort of puts the artist back in the driver's seat where you get all of your money.

You know what I mean? if you really do it, you know, it's a lot of work. You know, you put your blood, sweat, and tears, heart and soul into this music, and you're telling me, you know, my art is worth 0.004 of a penny. Yeah. And I'm happy about it.

Because these things are on Spotify, doing a rap, celebrating somebody getting all their money. It's hard for y'all to do that. I'm sure it's hard for your error to do that because y'all was out the trunk with it. Y'all got to see the money. Yeah, exactly. See the director.

Yeah. So for a younger who don't know the difference, they just think this is how it's supposed to be. But it's rough because I'm looking at it like, what? You know what I mean? So you prefer to take the $10 up front versus you getting the $10 and more over a span? It's, yes, because like I said,

I'm not my, what do you call it, my generation where I come from, you know, my true fans, all of them don't have Spotify accounts. But if they know I got something, they want it, right? So I'm at the shows, grab this. They're coming to back.

I was like, yeah, bro, you can do it, but you got to get on Spotify, get an account, do all this, all that shit. I'm like, oh, man, I ain't doing that. You know what I mean? but if you got it right here, let me get that. And that's why you should subscribe to the app. You better.

You got to do all that ripping and running. You can get all your 85 style in one place. That's what I said. It's a show for sure. You know, when you want it, you want it, I was shit. I was looking at your show. I was like, y'all, I got to get the 85 shop. Oh, we got to shop.

I need to. Everybody, we got you right. Okay. You all right. You all right. You got right. You're bringing my mind because I show was like, where's the, where's the I want to shriegat.

So take this out. Welcome back to the 85th century. Yeah. Wondering. Did we just do a whole interview and didn't even do it? Yeah. But you thought we weren't going to do it? I know that because I know when to do it.

But ladies and gentlemen, we got a very special guest in the house with us tonight from the legendary group, Digital Underground. None other than who, Money Bee. Hey. We got you right. Yes, yes. J-O-N in the building with us tonight. Yeah, we definitely got you some 85s time.

Look, we got this. Car F. Freshness, key chain. Okay. What a little of the key chain? You already know what the hell about that. Jersey. You got my hat, nigga. Fuck, definitely, man.

And I know it's your first time stopping through here. But definitely don't let it be your last. Oh, yeah. Shut out your social. media and let them know where they can follow you and find you and get up on this shit on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok. I don't be on TikTok but I got it count. Yeah.

At MoneyB 69, right? 69. Like the position, brother. Yeah, lo, that shit, OG. That that nigga who asked me while I was asking them the question. I was asking that money be 69. 69. Jeff got a question for you.

Yo. Which one? They came out there and they realized that he was the same person because they kept that one. I heard Fat Fire Fire Friday. What is it with Fat Fire Fire Friday? Where's the thing about Fat Fire Friday? He couldn't see nothing.

His eye was, shout out to Fan Firetty. Nah. Because when he came out, because he got an eye to go. He's playing an eye to go that way. I ain't know what guys were. I ain't never seen it without glasses. That's why. So when he came out and did that shit, right?

We went to the pizza place to film it, and there was an arcade in there. And he could try to get on the driving game. Who do you do that for? Every time he pulled out, he was crashing, right? I was like, he got really mad, though. I was fucking. He got mad at me. He didn't want to talk no more.

And act like y'all knew this shit. Oh, who pulled up? New face. What you got? Newface. Oh, Newface. Come here. Yeah.

So Newface. You got something for you, Newfound. Come on over here. I put this in your head, because somebody told me to find new face and this is going to be for him. So what this is, right? This is the original

original promotional stickers when we put the Humpty Dance out. Our manager found he's in his garage. So he's not remakes. These are the original ones. In the whole one. You feel me? Yeah. Oh, man.

And I had you or mine. Yeah, that's dope. I thought so for you too, man. Yeah, I knew you would. That's exactly what he said. He said he probably gonna have some shit you decide that you know. Ah, he got this shit.

Flyer, bruh. Yep. Like, look at that. Hey, you know, Shott drew all of that. He did all of that. He was it. 88. That shit.

When the Humpty Dance came out? What year was it? 88. The Humpty dance? Came out 90. Oh, 90. So this is 90. Mm-hmm.

Man, that shit is so cold. Yeah, man. Look at that, man. You said he drew all of those himself? Yep. He drew that, too. And that's the original, yeah. He was already.

Yeah, he actually signed his sex factor right there. He drew all that shit. You got the Sharper? Yeah. You know. Oh. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Oh, yep, I forgot. Here. See, he was talking about the tapes. Oh, man. See, appreciate some. And I signed, when the vote was famous, yeah. They thought people was really like alien.

Yeah. Two-in-five. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, we just learned something, Newface. Did you know Dave Hollister? Hollister sung on Brenda's got a baby. Hell no.

He said, yeah. And keep your head up. Yup. Yeah. Yeah. See how Newface act like he ain't know that shit. They just sat here like, he was like, y'all ain't know that? See that?

That's cold, man. He's a cool. He's an original. He's got OG. Mm-hmm. He's stuff. Oh, don't do me like that. Oh, don't do me like that.

Yeah. That's you. That's you. That's you. Somebody needs to take that mic down. The thing is on the back, man. That's crazy. Oh, they were real good day, look you see.

Oh, that's fast. And so if you see that, Rackadelic, that was Shack's other character. That was his artist's character. So when he did art, he would sign it, rackadelic. See right down there? So we see Rackadelic, that was him too. Oh, I'll sign that right down on that one. Yeah, that's original.

That's the original. That's it. So he drew all of them. He drew all that. Hold on, hold on, let me see that one, because that was cold. That was cold. That was cold. That was cold.

He put his nose on that bit. That's been cold. Yes, sir. I'm going. See, Frank. Send him back on. Oh, man, we did it. 19-19.

Look at that, man. I said before. This is a level of creativity, man. How you doing? Yeah. I was slang and banging, trying to do my thing. You see that with it down right now, man. He seems you got.

Oh, that's my karaoke song, man. That's ain't that a karaoke. Too great, karaoke. I'm trying to get the rhyme. Oh, yeah, he do look like your brother. They can't eat tear the difference. Yeah, right? Yes.

That's how we pulled it off. Real force. Yeah, man. Real history going on around here. 85 South Shell's new phase. J-O-N, Chico Bean, D.C. Youngflat, Money, B. Good night, folks. Let's go. This is an I-Heart podcast, Guaranteed Human.