The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - Musiq Soulchild in the Trap! w DC Young Fly Karlous Miller and Chico Bean!

Episode Date: February 26, 2021

Legendary artist Musiq Soulchild blesses the trap living room studio with unbelieveable stories of his rise to fame! DC Young Fly, Karlous Miller and Chico Bean ask those questions that only true fans can ask!#pUrPlEwOnDaLuV​ #85southshow​ #musiqsoulchild​Hit Our Website for more info: https://www.85southshow.com/​Get our custom merchandise: https://85apparelco.com/​Subscribe To our Channel: bitly.com/85tubeFOLLOW THE CREWKARLOUS MILLER - https://www.facebook.com/karlousm/​DCYOUNGFLY - https://www.facebook.com/DcYoungFly1/​CHICO BEAN - https://www.facebook.com/OldSchoolFool/​Director - JOE T. NEWMAN - www.ayoungplayer.comProducer CHAD OUBRE - https://www.instagram.com/chadoubre/​Producer - LANCE CRAYTON - https://twitter.com/Cat_Queso157​It's Jon - https://www.instagram.com/holaj_o_n/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. New York. I got a feeling that this going to be real. Oh, niggi, this nigga was on a Stevie Wonder on that shit. See, look. I'm so long. I'm so long when I find you, I'll be found. I don't have to pass all these questions.

That's that shit. That was it. You took me back. Hey, man, that's my shit right there. We're here. They're part of your set? No, hell, no. They want to hear that.

They want to hear love, friends. Don't change. I'm crazy. Don't change. And buddy. That's all they want to hear. That's all for going on here. Oh, teach me sometimes, you know.

Oh, that's my shit too. Girl, it's knowing so beautiful. Teach me. I'm about a say. Teach me is the shit. After I get off, after I get off, that's the whole show.

But you got hits. After them eight songs, I'm not to blame it. You got hits. I'm like, that's a good, nice eight songs. That's a great technique.

I'm not going to play. That's a hard and sick. You can't never get this stuff like that. I ain't even going to lie. You just called out every banger. If you play them back to mac, now I got to see a show. Don't do that.

Turn that shit up. Man, we're going to play all the songs. We didn't got some pussy too. You don't know. That you need. I don't think niggins give you credit for your falsetto. I put a lot of work into that. You do what I'm saying?

A lot of niggins can't do that. But I feel me the way. Flip the side eyes. That's your real. That's your real. Come on. Come on, man. What you say?

He's my love. Take me. Show me the way that's a soul in my heart. Man, this shit is necessary, man, it's necessary, man. What happened to the game? Hold on, can you cut it out? Can you know what? You said something that I just said the other day.

I say, I know how to be affectionate, but I think I don't know how to show how to love. Yeah, I just think that we got, we inherited. We inherited, you know what I'm saying, a motor operation when it come to our emotions, that we internalize it. Right. You know, we don't really know how to access, you know, the right words all the time, you know. And we do express it in our own way, but, you know, women, they're in a totally different reality. That's all they do.

They live up and just love me. But the thing is, man, they brought my tea. But the thing is, we do love right now. We do love, but we love the way that we love, but to a lot of women, it doesn't come across as love. Right. You know, they want us, a lot, you know, what I observed, you know, a lot of women want us to love like they do. And it's like, but we men, we love in a different way. Right.

You know, so just because it don't look the same way, it don't mean that it's not happening. I think, like, men and women really need to spend a whole lot of time talking to each other. I think there's a high level of expectation and they expect for you to just know, like, They want you to show it to the relationship and read your lines. It's like, love don't work like that. Everybody is different. Everybody came up different. Everybody love language is different.

That's a whole, you know, science that people subscribe to. But even beyond that, some people don't have no reference. You know, they have no reference of what love is supposed to look like. And they take, you know, because women be like, well, I ain't fin to be teaching no grown man how to love. I don't need you to teach me how to love. I need you to help me understand how to communicate to you that I love you. Right. You know what I'm saying?

That's some heavy game you just drum right there. That's crazy. Hold up. Before we even get in the deeper. Welcome back to the 85 South show. Man, I don't know if you understand that we're about to have a whole lot of understanding up in here today. Because not only do we have the whole crew here.

Yeah. Chico Bean. Yeah. D.C. Youngflide. That's him. That's him. That's him. Jay on end.

He helped. Crazy lad, God. Hell, yeah. He's about that. Right over there. Don't forget about Big Cat with the big shorts, baby. Come, man. That got on some big-haired shorts.

You have me. But they long like long pants. They're in Capri. Man, we always talked about using our platform to show respect to people who we respect and that we admire and that we wanted to give flowers to why they still hear the guy. What the flowers at you? This man, this, this musician that we have in the trap with us. In the trap with us today is one of the coldest they ever do it.

Man, he got some love songs, some breakup songs, some what we're about to do some. So I want to come back home song. You fucked up and he ain't going to make the song about how many times you fuck God. I take the play for a song. One of the coldest ever. He's so cold at doing the music. His name is music soul. So, yeah.

Hey. And he gave us one for every page of being a nigger and kids. Kevin Grill and it's hard enough for the women that was the coldest intro I've received in my entire career. Come on, man. You heard from it from a look. And I've had some pretty amazing intros, but that one made me feeling like, who that? He's what that nigga did. He's going to make you know what you did it.

You're going to remind me who I am. That's out of respect for what you put in the game and what you got out of the game. Thank you. Don't never think. We don't know. Thank you. We tell you something. niggas be singing when they act like that ain't sang i know i know right that's what i'd be making

music for for real like if you really listen to my music is it's very simple i mean i do get in my bag with the runs or whatever i got you know shout out the homies that really be about that like but i really be doing it mostly for people like you know in a way some of my songs are kind of be like sing by numbers like dude you can do this too in my mind when i was growing up i believe everybody could sing right i legit really believe like everybody could sing so when people was like oh man you sound good i'm like okay now you do it And they're like, nah. You got it.

You got this. You got that. I would, but. No, bro. Your name is. Your name is. My name is. Your name.

I truck. You told me that shit. I was like, bet. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But I'll stop that. Yeah. I'm telling you.

That shit is like I love all the beat me. But I really, but I really legit believe that everybody could do it. And it wasn't until I realize, you know, not everybody, at least not everybody could do it. it at that level. You know, everybody could play ball, but anybody, you know, can't play ball. But you got the shit that was dope enough that made motherfuckers want to sing.

Yeah. But I want to, because I came at it from a, from a realistic perspective. Like, I never really identify with all the, you know, stuff that people kind of, like, made it out to be that you had to you got to dress a certain way, you got to walk and talk and act a certain way, like, I don't

see me, but I do like the saying, so where do I fit? So I just kind of fit, you know, along the been trying to figure out what my thing is. I subscribed to a lot of things that I thought was going to be it, but I just ended up very frustrated and unhappy, you know, and meanwhile, everybody, you know, is loving it, but I'm over here, like, you know,

in the corner with the microphone, but they don't care about what I want to do. So I got tired of that feeling, so, you know, I've been trying to navigate through that. A lot of artists fall into that, you get what I'm saying? Into the idea like, okay, this same all I knew, you know. You actually are one of the fathers, I say a neo soul.

Because soul music is soul music. That's been around forever. But Neo Soul, the new soul, was an era that came in with, like you said, all of those things that R&B artists were known for, you guys came out looking and doing something completely different. Even the first time we sing, you standing out in front of the record shop, you ain't got no leather on, you ain't no grease, nothing. It ain't raining.

You know what I'm saying? All of the things that... It ain't raining. It ain't raining. It's just, niggins. this outside in the cyphers. Yeah, because that's how it was, like, in real life. Like, we tried to, like, capture what actually happened in my day-to-day, you know,

in a Just Friends video, for those of them are referenced in the Just Friends video. And I was trying to, like, I made, I needed it to be, and thankfully the people around me was pushing forward as well, I needed it to be understood, like, yo, I don't know what type of time y'all on, but this is where I come from. This is what I do looks like, you know, not just sound like, it's what it looks like, too. And if we're going to be authentic to it, at least let's make the introduction the way that it should be. Now, later on, we can kind of get into all the other things, you know, because I understand that there's a criteria, there's a demographic, there's a system and the protocol and hierarchy, you know what people understand is what it is. You know, there's radio, and then there's shows, and then there's different spaces that you can express yourself creatively through.

but there is a blueprint that came before me that everybody got a following honor because this is a business so I let it be known like I'm willing to play ball

but at the same time I gotta be true to myself too and that's been like a that's been a tightrope So when you walked out of the studio after making something like like buddy right so you ain't know

you was about to fuck him up at the cookout for generations and generations and generations like look there's certain black functions at a point in time some music soul child coming up

I appreciate it but I never know that I never know because that's not my that's not my motivation I never I'm not I'm not motivated

by oh I'm saying the fuck I like that my motivation yeah I'm gonna kill I'm gonna fuck him up with this shit I don't see me coming they're on in style

I'm saying I never that's never like my thing my thing is like I wish I can like how can I make this song as good as I can make it

you know like that's always my thing and if I'm listening to like I'm nitpicking it after and then got mixed massing and put out on a radio and I've got ah I could have did that different like you know in my head like if I could I would take the song back and fix it

you know but that's that's that perfectionist thing you know it gets real weird and I got to like shut that up because it won't leave me alone so when you were growing up like what was your motivation like I know now like you said like you had to break those barriers and be different you know what's your motivation

or getting out the street you know what I'm saying right you know I'm at a hard life Philadelphia had a hard life man like

it's real real you know what I'm saying and I had to like I had to figure it out I was you know I was blessed with the opportunity and I had

you know the foresight and the intelligence to lean into it you know because I could have been like a lot of my homies like man I ain't doing

I ain't sign no recolet it's like they're paying you know I like to eat so a lot you know

so So I'm going to go ahead and run with this, you know, this record deal and see what to do. And we're going to figure it out later, you know. I just got tired of, you know, I just got time of nobody coming. I got tired of figure out every day by myself. Like I got tired of that, you know. And it was partially self-inflicted, but, you know, things weren't really that cool at the crib, so I did, you know. And I realized how real stuff was.

But, you know, I had a lot of pride, and I'm like, I'm not going back. Right. I'm going to figure this out. I don't know how. But I'm going to figure this out. And thankfully, you know, divine intervention, God, whatever you want to call it. God is amazing. You know what I'm saying?

It just moved in. It's like, okay, little homie, let me help you out real quick because you're going to die. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. You know, so, child, I'm in the streets. Let me ask you this. He was music, screeching it. No, every artist feel like it takes.

He's a street knick. Music, street next. Like, every artist feel like it takes a while for people. to catch up with their shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, when did you have that moment where you felt like people were catching up to what you were doing? I don't think you're gonna like the answer. Yeah, we hear. I don't gotta like it.

I know what he gonna say to him. Say it, motherfucker, come on. Never. I don't feel like it happened. Now, now, no, no. Clarity is ripping, bro. Come back. We're trapped in, bro.

Notice that I hit you, bro. Notice that I hit you with the country. Notice that I hit you with the country. Clarity is important. Like, you've got to understand. Now, this difference between me doing my job and me doing me. Now, this whole time I've been knowing me, I've been doing my job. I'm grateful.

I'm proud of the work that I did. I actually love it even more because of y'all. Right. Y'all made it, y'all gave it value. Like, if I did what I did and ain't nobody care, it's going to be like, oh, well, all right, time to pack this up, go to something else. But y'all loved it. You know what I'm saying? And I went through a whole lot of stuff.

you know in the game like a lot of people know this is a real like this ain't for punks man yeah you can't be no whole in this thing bro like you got to be ready and if you're not ready you better act like you ready well get ready quick you know what saying car and be racks so nigga niggins music soul child this motherfucker ask me hamilton niggins about the scrap niggas in the back of the club I'm about to beat the shit out they're talking about me no so even though you gave us all that greatness and you say that wasn't you wait what was you wait wait let me finish okay go ahead so when i got started i ain't know what i was doing right because you got understand my my my timeline is unheard of

i started recording in november of 98 i was six i just like motherfuck know how long they've been working i got a record deal in what February of 2000 two thousand two years you were was just grinding. No. No. I was in and out of Philly in the Lennel. Okay. You know what I said? Trying to figure out life. Right. I may record it in the studio a few months.

Here and there, all the records that got put on, I just want to sing, which is records I was just recording at the time. I wasn't thinking, oh, this is going to be on my album. Right. That was the first time I was ever working in the studio. I was like, oh, this is all right. Let me try it again. You know, I was working with it. my writing partner at the time

shout out to Carvin Higgins and he was just coming up with all of his ideas that he just couldn't like get placed on nobody and I was you know out there enough I was like oh no yeah

I could turn that into a song you know because I was already in that mindset so we just put it together and it was like sounding good it was feeling good and that's how you got just friends

girl next door love half crazy because Half Crazy actually recorded it around the same time I just want to sing but we got a place on the artist and it never took

so I took it back when it came time to work on the next joint Yeah, that's a whole nother story and you know all of the joints Ella's gone 17, paparazzi

I think I said that already yeah all of the joints that made the first album I wasn't thinking this is my first album I was thinking I just want to sing I just

I mean Thank you You just want to sing You're not even looking at the business aspect You're just in the studio making music In my mind I was going at some point Pick the best ones out

Printed on CD And you know Myself But this is This is when you started Recival No before This before

Okay This is all of 99 Okay You know what I'm saying And I was Again I wasn't really consistent Because you know

It got cold You know And so I came down here Right you know and then when they got hot I went back up there you know so and I was able to get back in the studio and whatever I had before I came down I played it for you know for my folks and it was like yo this is I you might want to do something with that like I know it's kind of cool what you're gonna I don't know man it's cool maybe I'm

about you course or more songs but I'm not even thinking about that I got a whole other list of crap that I'm trying to navigate through not realizing that I'm accumulating baggage you know through my life because life is real when you don't know what you're what you like. Right. So, at the end of 99, I had dipped out again because it got cold, you know. You don't fuck with that cold, huh? That boy, he need me like a mother.

I didn't did about 20 years with it. I was like, out of it. Yeah. Out there. Nah. I just want to sing. I don't want to be cold, man. I'm cool.

You know what I'm saying? I would just bust it down here and get a greyhound, you know what I'm saying? And I would just come down by myself. I mean, in high side, I realized how dangerous that was. True. You know what I'm saying? because when I tell you I had nobody, I couldn't call nobody if anything happened.

I ain't had no squat. I didn't have no folks. I was literally dulled most of my life, you know? And, I mean, it's a whole antisocial element of my personality that I'm still dealing with that place into. But it's not the point right now. So when I had enough song, you know, I'm just having a lot of friends. We go up with you, man.

They got used to friends. Yeah, we're talking to you to know. We're friends, man. So, so, so, when I had enough songs, apparently my managers at the time, behind my back, not to say like they was, you know, doing greasy or nothing, but I didn't know that they were, you know. Handling me. Yeah. Working the deal.

I'm not, I ain't get put in front of nobody really to audition. I wasn't in those meetings back and forth with the, uh, the team and all the, you know what I'm saying. I wasn't, you know, there wasn't no bidding ward, not that I know of. I wasn't trying to decide, oh, let me think. Should I go with someone's something? Like, that didn't happen. You know, and I got put in front of Kevin Lowes at Def Jam. Mm-hmm.

And I'm, like, sitting there like, why am I here? You just want to sign. That's it. You don't want to do shit up aside. And I'm just going along with it. I want to be cold. Right. So I'm going along with it because they're like,

yo, we really think. First of all, where are you at? I'm in Atlanta. What you mean? We got to do, we got to deal for you on the table. Like, why aren't you in telling my body? At my mind, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I don't have to tell y'all nothing.

I'm on the gray house going to me, but no rage. I'm back to say. So, they're like, dude, we really think you should, like, take this, man. And I'm like, I'm out here like, well, ain't like I'm doing shit out. What's the worst that could happen? So I said, all right, cool, but you won't have to, you know what I'm saying? I ain't going to bury right now, so you're going to give me a bus ticket.

They're not going to get on the plane. Yeah, I don't fly. Fuck wrong, too. There's a lot of shit you don't do, me. You know, you don't understand. Trauma is real. You ain't got a lot of baggage. You ain't never unpacked, you know what you're saying?

Yeah, they charge for baggage. Yeah, okay. That's good. Good one, digger. That's that hell point. Speaking of it, when I actually first got on the plane, I'm still walking around with this big duffel that I used to take with me on Greyhound, I'm trying to run through the airport.

This is before security. I'm running, trying to catch my plane. And this bag, I didn't understand. Like, you can't run with a big duffel band. It's your side because I'm small. And not expect. Mead fall. Man.

In the middle of the airport. Man, the nigger with the airport. Bam. It was so funny. Then he probably got to the plane and was sweating. Stinking like a motherfucker. Brow.

Digger used to ride in the bus. It was sweating. It was sweating. No, no. I had to, uh. Can you get to? No, I had the Army duffer with the string, so I had to make sure it because, like, I was a pack rat. Right.

So, but that's, I fast forward. Anyway, let's rewind. So I get on the bus and I come back to Philly, and, you know what I'm saying? My manager was like, no, you're going to stay here until the meeting, because the meet was in New York. I was like, no, I'm sure I got somebody I could kick with, like, dude, you can do whatever you want to have to me, you're staying with me. Right. Which was a big deal because he's not the type that really had folks in his crib. like that. So I was like, all right

I thought to fuck this money. Never, exactly. That part. So I didn't have no big coat. I knew that's why you kept leaving. We're traveling. Look for a coat. You got a coat down. And nobody got no coat.

And this dude is like 6-1, whatever. So I had to put his coat. A brown fat farm coat. And I'm like in his heart. So you went from no coat to have an extra coat. So I'm sitting there. So I'm sitting in depth jam

With this big coat I'm swimming in I'm like And I'm sitting here like What is happening right now? Yeah I know I said I was going to do this But this is dumb like I don't even know these people

I think Red Band was in the room It was so surreal You're like yeah that nigga listened to Wootta It was so surreal I was actually But that ain't why I wore the coat you know what I'm feeling all like I'm feeling weird and awkward I got some of a dude coat on I feel like you know that's real it's like you know my manhood is being

challenged right now I'm out of my element talking to these executives I don't even like expect to be in front of because y'all wasn't part of the plan right talking about songs and I'm not even really thinking about right now because I'm trying to do better and better and better. Right. So they're like, yo, but we like these.

And I'm like, okay, I appreciate that. In my mind, I was like, all right, get me the money, and I'm going to go

make better songs. And you're like, nah, found these. I was like, okay, we'll do these. But next time,

I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do what I want to do. Next time came around, what you think happened. You had to get those you aren't, you shouldn't have did those

so good, man. You, won't you go ahead and make a part. All right too. But again, I appreciate it. I appreciate it. You agree.

Again, doing your job and doing you aren't necessarily the same thing. Well, what makes you think, what is the reason, rather, why you haven't been able to bridge that? Like, because I've been waiting on the green light. Still? Well, not now. Not anymore, but for a long time. Because I'm a team player. You know what I'm saying?

I'm not going to rogue out on my own. Like, if I got a squad, I'm going to roll with the squad, but the squad kept changing. You know what I'm saying? And I was trying to stay loyal, but, you know, that plays into not ever really having the squad. So I feel like I was part of the team until you could get done up by folks that you thought had your back, and then it changes. Now I got trust issues.

So it's like, it's a whole lot of going to do that. So how long, because people don't understand that period? Since 2000, how long has it been, you've been going through that? Now, now you can say you have that green light to do what you want to do. Well, I never got the green light. I just gave myself the green light in 15. 2015? Yeah.

I gave myself the green light, and that's when I started, you know what I'm saying? I don't know how many people were catching up with me, but I started doing this, you know. You said they didn't ever catch that a week to see. Hey, the hustle, niggins a lot. Hey, let's go. I'm going to let you know. The hustle kind of fuck me up. I was a music soul child fan.

And when I see you with that leather fitted with the crown on the mouth, now, now, now, now, let me tell you, let me tell you. They're tripping, bro. let me tell you the dick is stripping bro let me say this let me say this the reason why the look was the look was because I was trying to honor the homie that came up with the look okay I wasn't I wasn't gonna roll with that okay that was

it was I was trying to look out for I was trying to look out for some young I was doing it I was like yo this is dope now I had I was trying to tell people I don't know what I'm doing with this I have no idea what I'm doing with this but I need to try something else I need you know what I'm saying I got heavily inspired by being out here you know what I'm saying and niggas in Atlanta was wearing leather fittets

with the crowd on it oh no no no no it was an idea it was an idea that kind of got away from me oh I got you and I was just trying to commit because I hadn't already you know I already jumped so you gotta commit so look so even in the studio when you know for a fact they're going to agree or love anything Even though you say it's a job, it was no way for you to be like, you know what, I'm going to trick these motherfuckers in the thinking that I'm doing what I used to do, but I'm going to do what I want to do.

Because at the end of the day, they don't, they weren't in there when you was writing a motherfucking song. The bitch is, the missus was hitting. Right. So even though, so again, I don't want people to take away the fact that, you know, I'm making the distinction between me doing my job and me doing me that I didn't love doing my job. I love doing my job. Right, right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's the whole, that was the plan anyway,

to be in front of people singing songs and have a positive effect on them. Regardless of how it came, I don't always have to write them, it don't always have to come from my mind. I had a lot of songs, you know, ghost written, or I wrote with other people. I found out didn't, you know, not write, not one word.

But I identified with the message, and it's something that I wanted to represent, and I knew people would have received it, you know, differently from me than say, I don't know anybody else. So out of all of the music that you've, done over the years you don't have any songs that was you doing you all of them was you doing your job by default i'm doing me anyway because i'm not going to do it if i if it's not

no me in it but the primary focus was to honor a demographic serving system okay so there's no new there's no song that you can point to in your elusive just friends just friends the reason why just friends was because music soul child is hip-hop soul i keep telling people year in and year out i I know I get identified and labeled as R&B or NEOS, or NEO, so, whatever, and that's cool because, you know, that's not entirely inaccurate. You know, I'm adjacent to that enough where I can get, you know, picked out in the same line up. But if you're asking me what is the definition of a music soul child, hip-hop soul. That's always been the mission. Always trying to merge hip-hop culture and soul music culture and put it together.

That's what the name is. Music, Soul, Child of Soul, through music. Like, that's what the name is. And that makes sense now, because you come on with, thum, thum, dun, thun. Yeah, that, that, in the beginning, that's music, soul, child. I literally start beatboxing.

That's how the song starts, I'm beatboxing. You're beatboxing, yeah, it makes sense. You know what I'm saying, but. Then you stop, I'm like, man, let me do my job. Yeah, I said, I don't know that he has me know if I'm part of or a phone. You know what I'm saying? You know what I want to make a small. Smoking on way.

Hold on. But. Said I know. But then, you know, there was such, there was this lane for me to be this R&B dude. And, you know, there was a lot of, you know, tussling with that. Like, I don't want to do that. Like, I get that, you know, I can, thank you, but that's not what I want to do. Right.

But the job is there. So it's like, why not? Why not? So I did it. Push it. Me and those talk about this a lot. Like, now. Now, hip-hop soul is what it is, because the R&B music is done by the rappers.

They're singing their own hooks and all that. So do you feel like that you kind of put that in the game? You might not get the credit for it, but you feel like you, you know what I mean, introduce that. I feel like that's always been there, you know what I'm saying? I just think that the attention or that's just the wave now, you know what I'm saying? Like, things are already there. You just ain't up on it until it get pushed to the forefront. You know, and other stuff that used to be it got pushed to the background.

Like, it don't go, nothing goes away, you know, it's just the attention is now on something else. Right. I don't, I don't, I mean, yeah, but I'm talking about now is, you don't, the R&B music, like, it used to be its own separate, like, you had R&B singers who, and rappers, and the R&B singers would sing on the rappers, hooks, and, you know what I mean, and vice versa. So now. I think that he might, you're trying to, you wasn't trying to follow that blueprint. You want to do, I just was trying to figure out what else there were, you know what I'm saying? So you got to think about a lot of creative people. At least, you know, I can't really speak on other people.

You know, I can't indirectly, you know, and in spirit because I understand the mindset. But I can only, excuse me. I can only really talk about myself. So with me, you know, there's layers to my creativity, you know, and there's layers to my personality, you know. And because I had to, uh, you don't talk about, nigga, we, we're therapists. Exactly. Come on. I had to identify and compartmentalize the different parts of myself to keep myself from not being myself.

That makes sense. You know what I'm saying? Especially when you got to give yourself to millions of people once you get the acceptance. Once you make it, now everybody wants what they think is you. They want that. But you're a Mickey Mouse now. Right, right, right, right, you know what I'm saying? Like you're your thing, you know, and it's not their fault, you know, so which is why I never last out and took it out on people.

It gets annoying, but you know, you got to understand people, they're just caught in the moment, you know what I'm saying? It's just a natural, it's an involuntary thing. I'm sure a lot of grown dudes probably like, why? Man, why bitch I like that? I know he's a homie, but I could have came, you know what I'm saying? I could have maintained my, you know, manhood, you know what I'm saying? But I never, but I always accept it. I never want people to feel lesser than. I never want people to feel like they just played themselves. Like, I always meet it with love. But at the end of the day, I got to go back to my space and I got to re-up somehow. you know because in my role in this circumstance is to give but when I go back like I got to get it from somewhere and I didn't have a lot of spaces where I was getting it back from so it was becoming really taxing on me emotionally and psychologically so I noticed like I got a lot of baggage I got to unpack that I'm not dealing with and it's starting to get in the way now because I need a lot and I'm not getting enough and all of this is starting to feel crowded yeah that's why I'll be when I don't get no pussy okay okay so I'm not so I'm not so I'm starting to get in the way I mean I don't know I need a lot. Got to unpack my nuts. I'm not here doing all these shows. My nuts is too. I got to unpack. They don't need it.

They don't like to be cold. My nuts just want to sing. All these beautiful ass songs. The world hold me a little shot of coaching. So what I started. So to your point, and you know, I was one of the person who shot you on in real time for bringing it up, what the hustle representation? it was one of them sides that found you ain't gonna run me you I'm gonna get you a job

you gonna work right don't know what you are but we gonna figure it out now my bad was I don't know if I overshot or undershot the response and support that I was gonna get from it did you ever release music under that model yeah yeah it's it's on iTunes okay yeah it's a whole album and an EP Okay, yeah, I was, I was, I'm gonna go ahead, keep in real, I was like, man, it's okay, I got, I got a whole lot of that. It's okay. I love the music. Hey, bro.

I was one of them niggas that was stuck on, you know, because I, like, your music is powerful, bro. I understand that. I understand that. But this other thing is also a part of me. And if it's not for you, then it's not for you. Makes sense. I kept making that point. I was on the breakfast club making it ever like, fine, if it's not for, leave it.

Stick with this guy. He's still there. You know, and I think a lot of people, you know, I think a lot of people, you know, I think, I think it was so frustrated that they didn't, I don't know, man, it just ain't hit them right because I was literally repeating myself over and on. You can go, Google it, check it, YouTube it. I've been saying the same thing over and over again.

I got tired of talking, you know, but I kept saying, hey, Music Soulchild, it's not going anywhere. This hair is something else. If you want it, it's there. If you don't, leave it. Let me ask you this. Do you think, like, at this point, in hindsight, do you think it would have been better received

if you would have introduced it through music? No, that was the whole point. That's the whole point. It's not music soul child. And people were not listening to that. And I know, you know what I'm saying? Again, that's why I say, like, I don't know if I overshed or undershot. You know what I don't know if I overestimated or underestimated.

I don't know. I don't know how I was looking at it. I don't know how I thought it was going to go. I don't know. But I think I just expected... We're straight, right. Yeah, we're going on dead. We all right.

You hear it at the hustle. That's crazy, man. It's crazy. But, I mean, real talk, though, but that's where that came from. You know what that represented now, musically, it sounded how it was sounded. And, you know, I would agree. It wasn't, you know, top 10 level.

I agree. But it was an experiment. So you're saying as an artist? That was some of that baggage you had to release. Because, like I said, that, so let's turn it back to me. That represented a security element. You know what I'm saying? At that point in my life, I just got tired of being...

The levee. Well, not that. Not that. That's a whole other space that this is not even attached to. It's more of a personal thing. Okay. I got tired of, you know, my kindness being, you know... Take for granted.

Yeah. I got tired of being, you know, looked at as, you know, oh, this guy is just one way, you know, like Mikey, oh, he'll do it. And he'll, like, no, I'm this way because I want to be this way. I want to be this way because you don't want the other guy. And people keep thinking, oh, you're seeing love something like, dude, no, that's my job. This is my job. It's a whole other thing that I'm still trying to figure out and navigate through and unpacking all of these other woke-ass words that I've just learned about how to figure out how to deal with all of this.

You know what I'm saying? Right. So what the hustle represented was my self-security kicking in. So if you listen to the lyrics, I'm saying a lot of, like, real shit. But I don't think it was that received well because people couldn't, they couldn't see past the music, Soul Child. Right. You know, they couldn't see the hustle because they couldn't see past music.

What do you do as an artist in those times when what you do is not received? Does that cripple you a little bit? And I didn't know how to receive that because, again, I thought that I had enough people who would ride with me, but I think. It was a little overwhelming Because it was such a stark Difference You know what I'm saying

And at the time I think people Yeah you ain't tell them or nothing You just showed up That's the hustle This is I didn't think it Because again I didn't know What I was doing

It was So you thought they was just gonna show up In like a whole new nigga No no no no I was literally saying Hey I don't know what this is going to be But because y'all are already rocking with me Let's build this thing from the ground

Let's raise this baby together You know what I'm saying But nobody wanted to help me raise the baby Don't nobody want to raise no baby They ain't have nothing to do that I understand I understand I understand the world to be your step down I understand

Come on take a village But you accept the music soul child Exactly Because but I tell you why From my perspective why we accept the music Soul Child because what music Soul Child gave is something that we Identified with that spoke to what we were going

through in our day to day. Exactly. You understand? So back on what he's saying is, let the hustle tell you what he's going to be. I respect that, but when you already have given a soundtrack to niggas lives, like you said, we, nigga, I didn't

got pussy to the music, niggins went on dates, and then you show up like, yeah, nigga would, I'm like, who's this guy? This guy's trying to take my bitch. Listen, listen. Listen, listen, this is why I would see, you see what I'm telling you? Yeah. See how irate you just got?

Right. You weren't listening to nothing else. You're right. I'm literally telling you that nigga's still there. Right. Go talk to him. Well, he wasn't around. I was looking.

No, he was. He was. I had to put our whole album. But see, that's what I was listening to. But then the hustle came. So keep listening to that. Okay. You ain't had to listen to the hustle.

Right. Yeah, you right. You really didn't. I didn't. Because it wasn't for you. Yeah. But I just wanted to know what the mentality was. And now understanding it makes sense.

And then after that, I put it. I put out a double album. Yeah, I know. I know all the R&B, everything you put out R&B makes sense. And then I put out another persona. I missed that one. Who was that? Purple Wonderlove.

Purple Wonderlove. Yeah. I miss Purple Wonderlove. I know. I'm not to go get that. Yeah, I know. What was Purple Wonderlove? Exactly.

No, I want you to tell me. I will in the second. I will in second. Is it all I too? Yeah. I'm gonna tell you. The point I was trying to make is I saw an opportunity to do something new. something new.

Right. People were putting out albums. Cool. I'm gonna put out personalities. Ah. See? Now, there it is. You gotta start somewhere.

You're right. People are gonna love everything that you do. I was prepared for that. That makes sense. That's the point that I didn't say it again, because I missed that perspective. Yeah. You were putting out personality. I didn't put out for 15 years.

Okay, cool. I want to do something else. I'ma keep doing this, but I got me a sidehouse over here. I'ma keep doing my job. But now. Now I'm doing me. I got you. So when you doing you is not well received, what do you think that says to me?

Purple Wonderlook. That people only want you to do your job. Here we go. Yeah. That people only want you to do your job. Do you have the point where you dropped the Soul Child off your name? I appreciate you bringing that up. So was your script music?

For a second. That was another person. No, no, no. Well, first of all, for the record, music, Soul Child. as the first persona. Right. Let's just get that straight. Right.

I didn't come out, you know, my mama's space as music that got developed and turned into something that you all know. Now, it actually started, music and Soul Child was two different thought processes.

But I put them together because Soul Child was the name that I wanted to release myself as. But music was the name I got to deal with. So I had a discussion with my manager at the time. He was like, would you change your name like we got you to deal it's music and people that know you know you it's music like why would you flick it like that like i was like well first of all you ain't telling me

that you i would have put you in what the game plan was but but you know we're here now so i said you know what let's just put it together like bust the rhymes you go you got music soulchow right he was like okay cool we could do that right but after i put out the first album i didn't feel like i was honoring me i wasn't honoring the soul child idea I was just doing my job that I got hired for as music. So I said, cool. Well,

I want to, at some point, introduce myself as the thing that I want to do, but I'm going to do that at a later time. In the meantime, let's just focus all the attention on who got the job. Music was the one that got the job. Not sole job.

And I know to a lot of people this might sound however it may sound, but I'm just being real with you. No. You appreciate it. That's the process. So, keep on, keep on, keep on. So, but then that got confusing the people. So around about, what, love and music, I said, you know what? Let me go ahead and just, you know, take this L with that and just fully incorporate and commit that the name is music's old child.

And whatever that idea that I had, I'll just come up with another name and I'll come out with all the rollout process with that as some other time. You know what I'm saying? So needy to say, did you think that, because sometimes the things that we're, you know, we want may not be the best for us right now could you say that the people around you uh saw the best in you it's possible you see what i'm saying however i knew that they didn't know me welcome to pretty private with ebonye the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free i'm ebeney and every tuesday i'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you on pretty

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for this new season of Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You have to understand. I started recording in November of... 98. I got a deal in 2000. A year ain't enough time to know somebody that's touching and going because you're not really there. So the people that you can't, the people that were in your process at that time weren't people that were familiar you with your background in any way

I just met them maybe a year prior. Oh wow. Okay. Well my managers at the time that introduced me to my writing partner and the producer so I didn't know these people that deep. Yeah, we forged a relationship right you know that went its own separate way due to certain events you know and it's we cool now but it ain't folks that I grew up with that they knew me that deep it was everybody was just doing their job and I was just honoring that

so coming from Philadelphia though like it's a lot of soul history you know you know Philly's soul you know I'm saying Harold Melvin in the blue notes you know what I'm saying all the all the guys that come out of Philly Teddy Pendergrass and the list goes on and all

like was that ever your goal to be a month those names, I mean, because now you are. That's what the whole Soul Child idea was. Okay. I just, but here it is, what my initial M.O. was, I just wanted to do it with some hip-hop. That's where hip-hop soul comes from.

I grew up in a town that's known for its soul music culture, but I grew up in a hip-hop generation, so I'm listening to hip-hop, and I'm like, if I put these two together, you got music So do you feel like now that you're free, you got the green light? It is. Yeah. Shit, you can do that. So, but, so back to, back to the point of the green light, the green light started in 15 when I started releasing all of these personas. Well, the attention was to release all of these personas.

I only got two off. Right. I really only got one. Well, I guess I got both of them off, but, and. I made it more you. You don't want to have that conversation. Shit. At the promo Wonderlove, I got it.

I want to know. Lee, give us one more that you didn't put out that you wanted to. No, there's more. You got some more artists? Give us one. You need a label, Nick. Decide yourself. So now you're thinking, like how I was thinking back then.

And I just released my first artist and everybody was like, boo. And I was like, oh. But see, why not, but why not we do that? We're going to have to like, we're going to have to rethink that. We're going to take that back to the drawing board. But that's a good question too. No, no. And that's what's happening.

But it takes time to recover. It takes time to recover, especially emotionally, because somebody just shitted on your baby. You know what I'm saying? So that's hard to process. See, you said you're doing your job. Right. What do you mean? Which part?

You said it was shitting on your baby. Is it work? No, the hustle, that wasn't work. That's the real shit. But that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Like, as an artist. So now I'm so what I said was, okay, this is.

not ready to go out yet okay we already did what we did you know what I'm saying and I thought it had a you know a good I had a I had a had a I thought I had a had a I thought I had my ducks in the line but but clearly there was you know a lot of stuff because you know I'm not working with a squad of people that can like do research and you know it's literally legit just me yeah I mean I'm just like I just know that to hear you talk about the history of the music that you... What the fuck is wrong with this? You got it known. To hear about the history of the music that you made and how great it is to us.

And to hear you say that was you doing your job. But then you get to the point where you could be the nigger that you wanted to be. But that's the thing. Who cares what we think at that point? So people, this is the thing that I keep noticing that people get mixed up. The hustle wasn't what I necessarily wanted to be. The hustle was something that I was doing at the time. to see what it could be.

Oh, okay. It was just a test run. Right. Purple Wonderlove was the real nigga. Now, Purple Wonderlove was closer to it. So since we're talking about this whole idea of personas and, you know, if we're actually legit having this conversation, the reason why I keep referring to hustle as a baby because the hustle was, it literally came out of me being in Atlanta.

And all the other ones, I didn't spend time with them, I didn't live with them. They got backstories. I got a whole thing. This one came from me being here. Oh. You know what I'm saying? That's where it came from. I got you.

So I'm like, okay, I like these vibes. I don't know what to do with them yet. So let me try to see and figure out what it's the sound like. I reached out to a couple people. A lot of people said, no, cool. I get it. But some people say, yeah. You know, I got a song with a bone crusher on there.

I got some with Pastor Troy on there. I got something with T. Payne on it. I got something with William on it. Like, it wasn't no. We didn't, it's not like a pissing or when for me, like I was feeling it. I was, I was committed. But I had to also understand, like, I didn't get nobody no heads up. I didn't get them no set up.

But there was no bread to do that. There was no system behind it to make it, you know, to introduce it to people. So think about all those different personas right now, I hear you, because I know exactly what you mean. Because at one point in time, I was rapping like a motherfucker. Right. And. Now you're on your woman. Nobody, nobody, nobody care, you feel me.

But once I, once I start singing, they're like, what you say? I said, oh, oh, y'all motherfucker want to get me the same. You see what I'm saying? So I understood. You know, you should come out with D.C., I just want to rap. I just want to rap. Now, think about it, now let's go back. Now, let's go back.

When you was making music and remember, you just, you just want the same. And those were the tracks that they chose, and they wasn't in there with you, in those writing room. They wasn't in the beginning. Not in the beginning. And even though they weren't in the writing room, they had somebody there. The, the, the vibe was in the room.

Cool. Okay. Now, the process of you making those records, remember, you just sank it. You just going in and sang it. Who was that? That was music. That was music.

Music. So, all right, again, since we're talking about these people, because you guys are saying, like, I live with these vibes. You know what I'm saying? All day. Music is the dude that goes to work every day. Right. You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, and again, just that's a disclaimer. I understand how this may come across, but this is what it is. So music, everybody knows music. Music goes to work. Music does his job. Music doesn't complain. Music don't talk shit. Music don't talk that.

Like, music just does a job. He's about getting to, period. Great guy. Yes. You know what I'm saying? A duffel bag. You know what I'm saying? Who's in here?

Oh, Purple Wonderland. I'm here. Anybody want to talk about Purple Wonderland? God dear man, what's like that? Oh, hey, man, what's like that? I'm going to talk about everything. Anybody want to talk to the hustle? Oh, hey!

The asshole one of it. You just got you in my phone? Anyway. But this is why I don't talk about it. No, you don't get it off. I know you're talking with me. You have to get it off. No, no.

But now I'm starting to realize, but that was the reason why I was finding myself in all of these dark-ass spaces because I'm not being my full self. Behind trying to be some shit, I think everybody wants me to be. You got to pick who you want to be first. Now, you got to understand. Now, but the thing is, I was trying to feel. figure out how to do all of them. Uh-uh.

You had to pick one. I already picked one. I already picked one. So as an artist, so as an artist, even though music soul child was something that you felt like was created, and even though on an intellectual level and as a creator, you want to give them, like you said, different persona and different albums. Think about it like this.

How many damn pixel be? Who? Denzel Washington. Shit, he beat one. Yeah, he'd be one. Yeah, you really want to know. How many, how many personas did he be? No, he did a couple on.

He did a lot on. Yeah. He did a lot on. Yeah. So you want to change the music game. No, not necessarily change the music game. No, no, that's not necessarily the plan. Right.

The plan is not to change the music game. Right. The plan is to do something else different. So you're going to be the nigger that was in the music game, different niggas. I guess ultimately, yeah. Okay, let me ask a hypothetical question. Okay. Say the hustle take off.

I'm talking about it. Stupid numbers. And then everybody would like, we want the hustle. You got that hustle. But what if, but what if the hustle takes off? Wait, wait, wait, wait.

But you're telling me that it's... Wait, wait, wait, let me just answer that one part. Let me just address to one part. Do you think, are you implying that it's going to be to the point where folk are going to be like, but we don't never want to hear music again? No, I'm not saying that. Okay.

But what I'm saying is the hustling took off. Called and hot. Don't know if I want to hell purple wonderlust You just You just go So you say you're just going to switch Either way it goes Whether this shit

Stupid Stupid Yeah So think about it like this If you had a job You need to leave No he good No he good

No he good So if you had a job that you was feeding your family from for 15 years, right? Right, right. And then you just got this new opportunity. Right. But your first job say, yo, you know what I'm saying? We encourage you to go to the new gig. We'll cut your eye with some, but you can stay here too.

Right. You're not going to work both gigs? Man, Michael Jordan played baseball. Did nobody want to see that shit? Not one person. I feel. He was great at it too. He was a great player.

And he decided to say, you know what? I'm gonna just go back to basketball. But trust me, I don't understand which when you say not giving the fuck, because I didn't make people accept this shit. Chico Wonder, look. Yeah. No, we had to call it Wonderfront, niggins. He didn't go Wonderfront, Wonder where the front is.

But no. I saw your pose about it and I was like, hell yeah. Yeah, I mean, because I get it. But the thing is, also. You know, at the same time, it's simplistic because it's something that is natural. When you turn into a whole now, if I grew my head and started acting like I was a rodeo clown, then motherfuckers might have been like, he's taking it too far. I'm not saying you wrong.

We come in this bitch and be different niggins every day. I'm not even, I'm not, my point is, I think people keep taking the words and I'm saying and they're associating it with what they think I'm saying. Right. You have to listen to what I'm saying. Stop the music. I'm not saying. that I'm turning into another person.

Right. I'm just saying I'm playing in this movie and I'm playing in this movie too. But you might not like this movie. Right. But you still got this one. And then I'm going to try to do this other movie. But see, the thing is though,

but you got to accept, well, you're not accept, but understand, rather, from my perspective as fans, is if we see a movie and don't like the movie, it's like, I'm not watching no more of them goddamn movie. Cool. But see, you've already given us a movie that's a, I mean, a five, six classic movie.

So now, understand this side. I'm already committed to take whatever L come with it. Because that's what comes with you trying shit. You got to know that everybody going to like everything. Right, right. That wasn't my issue. Right. My issue was I needed to figure out how did I want to respond?

How did I want to come back from that? Did I want to keep pouring into this project and make it the thing? Or do I just listen to everybody and pull back? I think nobody knew that you was coming out with albums, a different persona. They was just like, oh, he didn't change his whole image. But I was saying that, but I was saying that I was. You know, niggas don't listen, man. And that was the whole place.

They're not even listening to me. You know, talk to them, man. No, you ain't got to say shit. No, don't say a motherfucker thing. Hey, man, I'm done. But, yo, but low-key, he's funny with it, but that be the inner dialogue. That, but that would just be the inner dialogue. That's crazy.

You know what I'm saying? I'm going first. No, it's my turn. And I released them, I released them both in 2015. I got Wonderlove. Oh, yeah, I'm fucking, I'm fucking, I never, now, the hustle, I already have formulated my opinion on the hustle, so I doubt. But Purple Wonder Love, I had no. I did so I'm fucking with Purple Wonderlove.

Now what, real quick, what is Purple Wonder Love? Is that what it sounds like? What do you think it sounds like? Purple Wonder Love sound like a nigga that float in the places. Like, you know what I'm saying? Oh, you know what you do? This is Purple Wonder Love. I got Purple Wonder Love.

Oh, you said an Indian style. Oh yeah, that's Purple Wonder Love. Purple Wonder Love is like a nigga that if you tell him you got a headache, he's gonna give you a crystal. Yeah, hold this against your... Hold this up against your forehead, my brother. Five minutes, that's mercurium dipped in motherfuckinious root.

You'll be... Whoa, whoa. I don't even know how to the words. You don't know. Don't worry, come up. I'll show you. I have a crystal. I'll go get it.

Hey. Hey, man. So to answer your question, so I was speaking about how the hustle representing my security, my personal security, I just, so these are just extensions of, like I mentioned before, parsing myself that I just decided as a creative person to identify and give jobs. I gave them names, I gave them backstores because I got to know where all you niggas is because you're not going to run me. Not fin to have you fuck up.

You know what I'm saying? So is it hard to go back to music? No. It's easy. No. Because that's the job. So you've already accepted. This is a, you've been doing, well, I guess so.

You've been doing the job for a year. It's muscle memory at this point. Right. You know what I'm saying? Now, what's been happening is I've been dealing with a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with my job, but has been interfering with me doing my job. You all right? He's right.

I had a talk with Purple Wonder. He on your end. It's fine. It's my guy. Yeah, you knew we was going to talk to me. Oh, no, it's all good. He already got me. He got me when, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh.

On why not? Yeah, yeah. And I hit them back like, hey, you got me, that's good. You did this shit. But see, that's a good thing, though, that that shows that it's genuine, because if you weren't secure with all of this, you would be mad. Like, don't disrespect Purple Wonder Love, I kid you, nigga. Okay.

Perth ball, that don't even have perfect thought. The hustle is you can understand, brother. I understand your frustrations, man. Exactly, exactly. So, no. So I was saying about how a hustle, you know what I'm saying? Because the hustle represented like, yo, man, you can't keep, you know what I'm saying? Like being that way, you can't keep opening your heart and letting folks in.

Like, you can't keep trusting people. You can't keep letting them giving them rope and giving them a road to do you like that. You know what I'm saying. They only responded to what you're giving. You'd be giving folks everything with no resume. Like, stop doing that. I know you love everybody because, thank you. Why were you doing that?

I'm glad that you brought that up. When you've been deprived of what you need, you try to give it to everything. You try to be the thing you never got. Oh. And you don't realize that it ain't for everybody. That's that couple wonder love right there. That's what you're talking about, right. But we're trying to get to the roof.

But look, look, though. What's missing? What about? What's missing? How about that? How come Purple Wonderlove couldn't talk to music, so, child. Because Johnny Flamingo was on the telephone.

They don't know. But they don't know. Purple Wonderlo is. I'd be like, look, motherfucker, you ain't singing what they're saying. We're going to use your voice, but I'm going to tell you what to say. No. Music don't listen. Don't work like that.

But let me ask you this. Like, what you have in that perspective, did that prevent, were you ever competitive as music? Like, did that keep you from being, because there was a lot of artists that were, you know, making music, you know what I'm saying, in that genre. I never, I never got into that headspace of being competitive with anybody because I was too busy. Using your own people? Yeah, you and all these other people. Right.

Right, makes sense. You feel better? Yes. You were waiting on that one. But I mean, you know, I say that because you're going to fuck you up. You're one of the guys that I would always refer, you know, we're getting the arguments about R&B music, you know what I'm saying? Because especially back when it was still, like, its own thing. Like, and you was one of the niggas, I would always be like, man, niggins ain't fucking with music.

My nigger, that nigger, that nigger go hard because you got them songs that is not just, you know, you got some R&B singers that just. thing and you know croons so so so you did all the hip-hop so now here's the thing that got brought to my attention from from from my guys you know what I'm saying if you really listen to the song and you wouldn't know unless I told you I can pinpoint where what song got hijacked by these other niggas it's been a lot it's been some hustle in there it been some purple in there it's been you know some other guys in there but I tried the whole running down the music lane wasn't enough right you know what I'm saying like Like, I'm not, I'm not presenting that element or that, that vibe in its, you know, intended form.

I'm, like the package right. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I'm watering it down, you know what I'm saying? Because I got to be this guy. So I said, you know, I'm going to stop doing that. Whatever this guy is, whatever this sound is, whatever this space is, I'm just going to honor that and leave it alone. Right. That's why the names, you know what I'm saying?

So I'm not messing with this. because I know people, they are hard by this, you know what I'm saying? So I'm not going to try to force nothing into it. I tried it. It didn't work. So when people are like, why don't you just call it me because that's not what's happening?

Right, right, right. Something else is happening. And it deserves its own space, its own lane, its own name, its own thing. Let it be it. That's fearlessness, though, when you think about it. Even though, it took you the time because you didn't worry about that affecting the music.

I mean, the music soul challenge that you had already laid down for damn near 15 years. Because I had a lot of confidence that there was so much momentum that I could afford to step out and try something, and if it didn't work, I still got this. Right, right, right. Right, right. Right, makes sense.

But I was so committed to the other thing, like, okay, if you're on fool with it, then cool. That just means I got to work harder at making it better. Right. Now, at this point, you know what I'm saying? Are you planning on releasing anybody else? Yeah. But I need to, just as a personal thing,

I need to make good on what I already did. So, for instance, on my new album, Feel the Real, I did a feature, I did a hustle feature on the album, on one of the songs. And that one feature, that one verse feels way better than anything that I've done as the hustle. And I like what I did as the hustle. Even the stuff that I didn't even release yet,

that one verse. So basically that goes back to what I said. you want to put it out now that you learn how to receive whatever comes with it you know how to adjust and then make that artist a better artist yeah that's yeah but see that's what that goes back to my point that like you saying you did that verse on on your music album like I know that if I was listening to a music album and I've seen the hustle I would be like who is the hustle and that makes it easy but that was but that was the original plan y'all won't post to know that it's me okay

But, you know, you can't have none on social media. Everybody knows it. You can't do nothing. Right, right, right. You were just supposed to drop it. What happened? That's more, drop it, not saying, that it's him. What?

Getting three, four different checks. Getting three, four different checks? That was supposed to be the plan. Come on. That was a great idea, love. You know what I'm saying? So I just took that lesson, and whatever I'm about, whenever I do it again, I'm going to take that route.

Y'all not going to know until it's already a thing. Yeah, I could, even if I wanted to take it serious, once I've seen the leather crown fitted, I was like music is. Okay. But that's like the artist, but that was a, that wasn't the plan, it's just something that happened. Right, right, right. You know what I'm actually?

The marketing strategy. It was no market strategy. It was drop. Figure it out. You just showed up one day as the end. They think of their music coming to the interview and you showed up as the hustle. Oh, no, no, no, no, they were informed. Oh, okay.

They were informed. You know what I mean. Makes it look. Right, right, right, right. Right. Move like that. Right. However, you did have people that even though I may have moved, you know, professionally, they didn't

move professionally because they were like, oh no, yeah, we'll talk to those when I got this soul. A music soul child. I thought we had to understand that that's not what this is. You want a music soul child interview. Set up a music soul child interview. But see, as the hustle, you can cuss their ass out. Bitch and a man, you got me, fuck.

I told you whole ass, niggas. Exactly. Smack the dog shit out one of you, but I didn't want to instigate that narrative on my name, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't the hustle with your name. New nigger, fuck you bitch-ass. There ain't no music,

nigga, I'd knock your motherfucking nose loose, bitch, bitch. Fuck you talking about a whole-ass. Nick ain't no music, I'd stomp on this motherfucking table. Fuck, you bitch-ass, niggum. Fuck as you talk about. That would have made that.

I know, that would have made me like, oh, this nigger is a different niggard. But now, in my mind, I'm thinking, no, don't do that because you're going to scare folks. You're already confused, though. Fuck, folks, you're going to scare them. Don't scare them.

So I feel like, I feel like, like, say, for example, how her dropped, right? Nobody really saw her face. But you heard her music like crazy. Nobody knew her face. No, yeah. I understand that. And I, because I made the wrong move

and I said, you know what, okay, folks won't see me anyway. I'm also leaning to it, whatever. After what happened, what I knew it was going to happen, I was like, I can't take it back now. Right. And that's why I keep saying

I had to commit to it. I had to keep pushing through. It didn't roll out how I wanted it to roll out because you had too many people that weren't confident in it and they wanted to lean on music. And I'm not going to argue with the people that are helping me.

Because they don't know what's in here and I ain't got time to explain to you why it's better to go this way. I got to listen to the hustle, man. In hindsight, though, which is always 2020, how would you do it today? If today nobody, if it never happened.

Like I just said, like I wouldn't even mention, I would just put records out. You know what I'm saying? And whatever the does was, it'll be the, you wouldn't care. But when that one hit, you know what I'm saying? Then you show up and it's you. Yeah, I did.

And that's, that makes sense. You know what I would have. And how I know is because I had people play it for people. I put out a single and had people play it for people and all, this is gone. You know what if I told you that's me. Oh, hell no, man, I ain't playing this. It's like, wow. I know exactly how you feel.

Because I got an album called If You Didn't Know Me. You see what I'm saying? When I was trying to literally merge the R&B. So I came up with the concept just to put people mindset. Like if somebody was giving you to see them like, this is my cousin. That's why, yeah, you see my face, but if you didn't know me. I want you put you in that mindset. Not know if you know me for the comedy.

If you just didn't know me and you listen to it, you would be like, oh, this motherfucker hard. Now, what I did, what was encouraging is that when I started moving around, there was people that would shout out the hustle at a music soul child concert. I'm like, hey, they print out their own Hustle's t-shirts? I'm like, oh. You're like, hey, don't wear his shit at my show. He can't get rid of his cell.

Oh, wait for the matter. Oh, oh, no, stop the music. Stop the music. Stop the music. Fuck you got his shit on. It's at the wrong spot for all that. He keeps up. How are you looking at them?

Yeah, security, these three right here. And then we got these three motherfuckers. They think shit is a motherfucking game. I got ladies in here tonight. They should be having my baby. Yeah, get that shit, ain't no hustling tonight. But, so I tried, so then I tried to do it with purple. I tried to do a show.

It was only advertised as purple. I only did Purple song. I, you know, and again, I still don't know how to be, Purple Love. I still don't know how to be, because I don't have to practice with this doing it in real time. It's just ideas in my head. So, like, to make them happen in real life, I don't know, like, I know how to react and be, and be whatever with music. I don't know what to do with these other guys.

I need time. Why not just a song, Wild Whole album? That's what I know. Like, this is what you do. You open up a Twitter account as Purple Wonder Love and just keep me. retweetin the shit is music and that's how I'm saying you throw the ideas out like that see how they receive and then that's the way you slow walking and then you get the ideas and okay okay they couldn't do one project always says that what everybody always says that's not a bad

idea that's not a bad idea and that is the plan can they get a music feature yeah the mind of music that'll be the you're not the only one that can i'm not to not to shoot you down But you're not the only person that came on with that is. No, no, it's a great idea. Music and them. Okay. I'm actually more inclined to go that way. Yeah.

Music and music in them. It works. Music in them. I like that better. Hey, ain't gonna lie, that's all right. But, but, but, but, but. So you calling me, man. I'm not behind you all that.

I'm not behind you all that. That's not even purple. What? You're going to listen. You're going to listen. You're going to listen to Purple. And you're going to get it. You're going to get it.

So, but what I had in mind is like, okay, I could do that, but it would hit different if people knew who all of these people were. But that's what I was asking. Why they get a whole album? They don't just, they need it a whole album. No, they got like seven songs. That's okay. Like, start a Facebook page first. No, I got an Insta.

I got an Insta. I got to see this guy. I got to see this guy. I got to see this, man. I got to see this, man. Dude, first of all. Y'all wouldn't have even known about it if we weren't talking about it. No, we wouldn't have found it.

But this, you know what I'm saying? We wanted to get it off of the chest so you can feel it. Oh, no, no, no, yeah. We feel like they had enough, goddamn. Yeah, I appreciate it. There's going to be niggas at the house. How you spelled purple wonderloil? I didn't know if you were purple wonderluck.

That's him? You know the nigg. Now what I will say, though. I've been trying to put you on. The Purple Wonderlog, the people that people caught on the Purple Wonderlo, I ain't really do done with it. I just put it out. Hold up, man.

If people find it themselves. You're trying not to tell us what that Instagram means. So what about this? What's Purple Wonderlove Estabre? So what about this? He's really got much going on.

Take off, right? Mm-hmm. And they only want to take off after this? You don't know about the 85 South show. No, I do. You, man, I'm telling you on in the comments, hashtag, Purple Wonder Love. Listen, we went Purple Wonder Love take out.

Oh, that's a video of me. I shot a video for one of the songs in Egypt. In Egypt. In Egypt. And Purple Wonder Love. In there. I want to see. What about the rest on?

So what the one on take off? So I got to honor what I did first. Like, I want, I want this to take off to get people even in the mindset of even knowing how to receive. You're talking about personal or all purple one of love? Either. Like, I got, I need for, well, both, actually. Both of them. I need for people.

I'm trying to. I'm trying to. I'm trying to get my words out. I'm trying to get the idea to people first. Trying to implant the idea. It's a person doing different things. That by itself is, is. That ain't never been heard of in music.

It's a junk from people. You need that Leonardo DiCaprio Inception, that's what you got. That ain't never been heard of in music. Like, I got two different artists that's me. That's fire right now. I mean, Kanye kind of did it with 808 and heartbreaks. You know what I'm saying? But he was still Kanye.

Yeah. I mean, but it was completely different. I actually like that one. I see, I definitely see what you're going with. I think people perceive it different. Make a purple wonder love. He's pretty John Hinn. I'm fucking the head rap

I get it I get it I get it I'm fucking with Purple Wonderlove I'm gonna listen to it I keep getting the print vibe So the idea for Purple Wonderlove

is I just thought one day Like what would it sound like if you put Bob Marley vibes with Chade vibes What And they respect that No no they don't they mess with them They mess with Purple Wonderlove

Yeah yeah I'll just follow people on to love Oh this shit I don't believe that Now then, and ba-b-b-b-h-h-ha- That's how I'm not listening to. A side note, this ain't got nothing to do with nobody but you, but you're known for the glasses, the frame one. I'm a big frame person.

That's a big reason why I, like, where do you get your shit specially made? Nah, no, no, I even tried to link with a few people, but, you know, it didn't really go that far. I don't know why it doesn't make sense. They got the gay. They ain't got no, niggas, they're stupid. They're stupid. They're stupid.

From the moment we saw you, you had the cold-ass frames. Some people, they don't get it. Would you want, even if it wasn't a big brand, like an independent brand. Don't matter. As long as it's something that I would actually wear. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I don't want a rep a brand that I'm not going to wear.

Who they need to hit? You, Perp wanted to love or the hustle. Okay, anyway. Is it three seven deals? You need to hit my manager. No, seriously, though, I think that would be dope because I know that, you know, from the first moment we saw you, and then you had the, and it was always the cold. And then, like, those like that, then was the first time I ever seen.

those type of frames Yeah, me too. So I give you credit for that. Thank you, thank you. This is a, so for the record, this is a low-key shout-out to Stevie because Stevie is essentially my music teacher and he doesn't know it.

You ain't ever met him? I met him a couple times. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's cool. And, you know, I gave him his, you know, when I told him, you know what I'm saying, whatever, whatever. But I'm sure he gets that all the time.

So I don't really like, you know, expect that to go that far. But, you know, it's my one. What if he'd be like, it's about time, niggas show some love. I'm sure. people have given him but what if like you said what if it ain't from the motherfuckers he wanted from right but yeah so you know it's it's just a you

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or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't have a favorite. How the fuck you don't have a favorite? Because all of them. You're talking to me. Like, oh, okay, I thought it was a problem one club. Maybe that's a good.

See what you just started? And now you didn't got him back. Because he would try and be cool. He would try to drink his water, be cool. You don't brought him back. You just gonna let him listen. He would try to take his exit, man. I'm glad I came to work next.

Hey man, do your job. Stop being yourself. y'all are ridiculous but that's the thing but but so but the first thing that comes to mind is um intervisions okay that's old school yeah that's what I'm saying intervisions for a long time you know well it was a toss-up between indivisions and music in my mind you know what I'm saying it was a toss up between them two you know saying any like real you know Stephen one of head ironically that's where the wonder comes from oh oh shit they can we're making this shit come to

I think so. Now we're getting somewhere. Right? So, um, because that, because it has a song on there called Vision, which is my favorite Stevie Wonder song ever. Ooh, that's a hot, my favorite Steven Wonder song ever is Saturn, nigger. I can listen to the, oh, that's a ribbon in the sky. Yeah, nigger, I'm on it, there's Steve.

Ribbing in the sky for me. Ribbing in the sky. You should hear, yo, so, I don't know if y'all know about Diller, Jay Diller, the producer. The producer. That's my name. Okay. Donuts, Nick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's a music concert. So I did a five song EP. It's on, um, it's on, um, band camp for free. You can download it for free on band camp. And I took five Dilla beats and I did five, you know, old school, soul songs. I did a print song. I did a Michael Jackson song. I did a Downinghouse Away song, Marvin Gaye song, Stevie Wonder song.

I did a ribbon in the sky. Bullshit, band camp, go on to get that. Yeah, I did ribbon in the sky. I'm telling me fuck with you, nigga, I'm telling you. I just did that, nigga. I drove a Saturn. I used to ride around and listen to Saturday and my Saturday, Nick. So, you're stupid.

I did, digger. So, you know, fun fact, I don't remember. Well, probably on the documentary they did about it, but you know that a song was originally supposed to be going back to Saginaw? Michigan? Yeah. Ain't no way that song was about no motherfucking Sagina on Michigan. I've been to Sagina on Michigan.

Ain't nobody living to be too money and planned. That's where he's from. Oh, okay. All right. Well, I fear you, Steve. Sagina. Yeah, you must, that must be the blind shit. You ain't see Saginaw the way I've seen it,

I'm telling you. Sagan, not going to be on your ass, no. No, I'm saying, I fuck with Saganon. I'm talking about in comparison to the song. Let's clear it up. I don't want them Sagan on, niggins, because I fuck with y'all. That's my favorite shit. No, I think it was just a, it was just like a...

Listen to Satter, and if you're from Saganon, listen to Saganon, and see if that's what he's talking about. No, I think it was a... I think it was like, you know, kind of like a play on words kind of thing that kind of got creative. So Saginaw. But the music sounds so spacey. He's like, why not make it Saturn? Oh, okay.

I don't know how the story went, and I think that I saw it on the documentary that they did about it. I don't know who told that story. I don't know how true it is, but I would assume that it's legit, you know what I'm saying? Because I don't think he would say it on the documentary. Oh, okay. I make that, I agree. I just know Saturn is about a place that, and I've been to Saginaw's hood and a motherfucker. Yeah.

You ain't flying around that bitch. You got to check in the Saginaw. You ain't got to check in the Saddam, you better check in the Saginaw. You come through that motherfucker. There's some diggers out there that to see about you, niggins. Hell yeah, nigga. Michigan, making it. They're different up that most.

But, yeah, that was, you know, real quick. I didn't do so much crap, bro. But I don't know what everybody catches, especially nowadays. It's a whole bunch of traffic out there. So I don't know. So I just figure what the. persona just keep throwing a whole bunch of other stuff out there. Maybe they might like this. Maybe they might like that.

I don't know. So in the space that you're in right now, do you feel, do you feel music, soul, child, is going to hit us with some more shit? Yeah, but I needed to kind of regroup. I needed to, like, I kind of lost the road, you know what I'm saying, in a way of speak. I couldn't see the road no more. Like, you know, you do something for so long, you know. And everything was happening so fast.

Everything happened so fast for me. I never had time to develop. I was developing, like, well, people, don't understand like my entire career y'all been watching my learning curve the whole time you know what I'm saying like most of the time I know what I was doing I was just this

makes sense you know my survival instincts just kept kicking in I just happened to be extremely super high functioning under uncomfortable circumstances because that was my life so I figure it out but it's only now that I'm able to like reflect on everything and I'm like

I need to do stuff differently I'm not going to do that again but if I'm doing this again I got to do money. Where are your partners in them be at? What they'd be saying when you be doing this shit? Like, your home boy. Put the apple mouth. Right.

You got no cousins and nothing? Fuck what they say. We ain't driving this shit. Like, they're extremely encouraging. Really? Yeah, they're extremely encouraging. However, you know what I'm saying? We still got to figure out what the move is.

So what nobody's like, I don't know about this one, bro. You might want to rethink this one. No, because, well, you got to understand. I think about it so many times. before I even say anything. You know what I'm saying? Y'all just tags even with it now. Man, this thing is fucking stupid, man.

I'm trying to pay attention to my goddamn job, man. And what the fuck, bro? What you know? You know what you get with this dude, though. Like, why are you surprised? This swamble on music, and purple water love, bro. I'm still getting mad about better than me.

Oh, it's stolen itself. My nigga, what the fuck am I supposed to do? to do. I can't take this shit, man. Fuck, ma. You know who this thing is, though. How did you just? Oh, shit.

But, let me ask you this, though. A lot of niggas get mad when they get their music, you know, fuck with it. Like, did you appreciate the Louis Duval remit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You like it? Yeah, yeah. Oh, that, I always wanted that.

It's all lost for me, bro. Like, I don't even get into any. It'd be weird when people be coming at me with stuff like that. I'm like, yo, what part of my timeline hasn't ever, you know, been presented to y'all? Like, I'm on that. Like, God, I've always been about love, bro. Yeah, I don't care. I know both songs, word for words.

So that's why I have. I'm gonna be 100. As a fan, we don't give a damn. Who ya? Amen. We love your artist, your brother. Thank you. Thank you.

And we love the fact that you do all of you. Do all of this shit that you said, nigga, you cool enough to, and real enough to be able to talk about it and put it out there. Because it's a lot of people who go through whatever you go through right now. I'm glad you said that because I wanted to represent some kind of way that anybody that might want to do this, like, I want to see what, you know, see what it's about. You know what I'm saying? Like, there is no road for this. Like, I have to, like, make a road. Now, whoever want to do it may want to, like, follow my lead or they want to, like, take some game from it and do it.

and do it they way, I don't care, but I don't see anybody that has done it. And I'm not even saying that I'm going to be successful at it, you know, that deep. But I'm going to try because it's in my head to do it, and I'm willing to put it in the work, so why not? Who the next person dropping the album?

Persona. I know you serious. I know you serious. I'm dead to fuck see. You're not about to come in this conversation. I want to know. That just comes across very hilarious. We're getting some promotion on this next.

You're not just dropping this shit renegades. We're going to do a build-up and a roll-out. We're going to take some photographs. So I'm going to give you an exclusive. It's already happening. You just don't know about it. Uh-oh. But you will.

So that's the niggins. How are you going to be secretive? Come on, man. Let us know. Can I have to get a kid? Because I had to learn dead ass, yeah. But I learned from my past. Right.

Ah, there you go. Who would you're talking about it? Now you won't get mad at me for being secret. Right, you're right. Nick of that shit. I want to. Big a lane. I take it.

I think it. I take it. I think it. I'm mad. And it takes time for you to do it. Because the shit is intriguing when you can have explained. You just show up as a niggins. And you know, what's your fault?

Everybody that when I talk to them like this about it, they'd be like, oh, I get it. Right. But why should you have to go this deep with it? I'll tell you right. They're never going to. How are you going to set yourself up for the alley-you? You'd be like that. You know.

Yo. Help me. I just watched him and help him. Stop. It's not worth it. That's pretty good. It's not worth it. Purple.

Purple. Okay. Music's a good guy. First of all. Stop it. Stop it. Down, purple. Y'all got the narrative all wrong.

Down purple. Oh, man. Down. Down. They're going to set me up with the mystery. It's already happening. You just don't know. No.

Because I wasn't trying to be mysterious. I'm telling you, it's already happening. Right. It's literally already happening. Well, I was asking, put me up on game. I don't want to miss the next shit. No, I don't want to say it like, no, because it's a, you know. He learned from his parents.

Right. I'm just let it happen. Don't say nothing. Just let us hear this shit and be like, oh, who the fuck is black motherfuckling? Black Jones, Nick. Black Jones? Black Jones, Nick. Black Jones.

Black Jones. That we found out is you. You just show up like, ah, I got you, bitch, ass, nigga. He really tried. He hitting us with the greatest market and strategy ever, if you think about it. Any nigga that you hear that you might think is weird. I didn't think about that. New niggas don't stand in the chin.

That's music at our motherfucking name. But I'm going to tell you something. But I'm going to tell you something. You have to keep in mind. You got to keep in mind, though. If you listen to Purple and if you listen to Hustle, they're vastly different. right from music right so that's a you know message you know this not going to sound like music it's going to be in a totally different space you should make that shit like i'm telling you right

now you should we're getting on somebody album yeah you got to make it a challenge me like figure out it like you're like motherfuckers got to find out who it is like you can just we're going we go we go on we go on you know sneaking out here and there but eventually it's going to be oh yeah you got to let us get on the skit for the next or the next music album definitely that yeah Is that just solely for music or it's just like, alright, this is something I gotta get out of my chair? So now I'm, would you be music? Like for the different personas as artists? No, that's just for me, you know what I'm saying?

Now, here's another thing. The personas, you know what I'm saying, are also attached to, you know, I got hobbies, you know what I'm saying? I got other things that I like. You know what I'm saying? I got one persona that goes into my love for cooking, you know what I'm saying? That's supposed to be a whole other thing. I got my another persona that in my You can make out of my cooking?

Not specifically about cooking Put the chicken in the oven Let me see what it takes like What it is all in crazy Hey We're about to make some gravy Hey You get this

Don't forget about the teeth Oh one more time Don't forget about the cheese Oh when you put it on the teeth Hey, oh, okay, I want a tino, okay, cut, I'm like that. That went somewhere else. You know, I got one, you know what I'm saying, I got a whole thing that I actually did a soundtrack. I did a soundtrack to a whole TV show, animated TV series that I was working on.

What was about it? He can't tell you that right now. He can't take. You know what I'm saying? So that's another person who made this song for the TV show. I mean to the That's a whole other one What if it was like a kid show

This thing just No No No That'd be the puppet Well let me find out That you to a baby shark Didi

That's you nigga No You should do a puppet show With all the different Mothan like he did No No To music

To music I don't even say shit I know And for the reason You thought I was the For the record, I appreciate that. I definitely know that. I don't get my weed.

So, for the record, you know what I'm saying? The point I was trying to make is that I got different things that I want to do, different creative spaces I want to, you know, tap into. Ain't nothing wrong with that. You know what I'm saying? But the beginning of it was, the hustle was supposed to be the beginning of it because it's the one that I knew the least about. Okay.

And I wanted to try it out with everybody and we can all kind of like make it into something. You don't have to tell us, but which. Which one do you know the most about? And whatever that may be, do you think that one should be the next one? You know, I think that should be, I think once, if I can get everybody, well, not everybody, but if I can get a lot of people to understand what's happening, you know, and kind of take away the, you know, the, uh, part about it, out of the way, and people just honor the fact that, oh, dude, just being creative.

Right. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not known for putting out crap. I know you probably didn't fool with the hustle, but I put a lot of work into it. He never said he didn't fool with the hustle. I just said I didn't listen to it. I didn't say, I mean, I didn't listen to it because I was confused. Gotcha.

I didn't have the understanding that I have now. We didn't know if you was going through the shit with the label of night. You just left us out there. You've been supporting you in this woman who keep burning your heart and you ain't told us shit. Well, you know what I'm saying? What I haven't was, I got told that I was no longer on the label. They dropped you? For the minute.

So I was like, that's when I get myself the green light. Hold on, hold on, wait a minute. They just told you. No, yeah, you're good. This is before the hustle. This is before, actually it was while I was recording the hustle. Tell me, see, that's a part that you got to go into.

That part of the record industry. You mean to tell me that music, Soul Child, got dropped from a label? That's a way that you could say it. But, yeah, I got to let go. Not music, Soul Child. What? Yeah.

Not the mother. fucking y'all wanted to create and start and you're going to let your baby go you're going to bring a full circle right yeah you know what I'm saying but it was a lot that went into that decision I'm sure I wasn't part of that decision clearly right except you know on the other side of it and it got you know secondhand you know what what reason do you think that because did the music change I don't know I don't know it was just one of them day yep Man, that's a cold game. But I was so in my bag at the time where I was like, I was excited. I was like, cool, let's go. I have no reason to hold back anymore. I can just try whatever I want to try out now. Right.

Okay. You know, I eventually, you know, got signed to an indie, you know, a smaller label, a distribution company, actually. And that's what I put out the next two problems. Life on Earth and Feel the Real. Yeah. And now, now, do you like it? Do you find it easier to do your job independently or with a machine?

No, it's different. Like, you swap out things, you know what I'm saying? So with the machine, you get all the resources, but you don't really have too much of a say. You know what I'm saying? Not really. But when you go the other way, it's whatever you want to do, but it's also whatever you can afford it. Tell them of that, that team. So it's all about what's important to you, but now I'm, you know, I'm in a space where I don't, I don't, I might need to lean, I don't know, I might need to just go either completely indie, you know what I'm just myself, myself, or just go back, you know, into my doing my job bag to get the bag so that I'm not even going to fun everything else.

You're such a goat, my nigga, and you ain't on no label. If you were to go back to music old job, yeah. You a Dish groydy and they don't start calling him like we got four five million you got six million seven he's back I know he never went no way I just had to do my yeah yeah I think I just needed a time to process everything Yeah how much had time to process anything right I've been just go go go go go since day one I never stopped So really this just a release button I needed it just get this shit off your chair just release yeah you can come back here anytime Yeah, I feel like this has been very therapy is definitely I don't really get to talk like this everywhere because everybody right now that's why we're getting that because you know we'll put an independent together now we make some shoot how much how much music

soul child have you kept from release like how much of that is a lot of it I have a lot of it I have a lot of it is like legit laws because a lot of it is part of studios I don't think our studios anymore I don't know how the housekeeping was we're keeping up with the files and stuff. I'm not really in good standing with a lot of people. I don't got to be for nobody, but it's no real relationship there. I probably don't even know how to reach out to them. I don't even know if they care

anymore. I don't know. So it's like a lot of different things, you know, that never got released, you know, stuff. I can't even remember right now that I, you know. Heart drive, brother. They got to keep a hot drive. I was really bad at that. I was really bad with that. You just want to say you just showing up making bangers

and leave. I'm saying like somebody's going to do with that shit. Keep my mouse is on. You know what I've since learned So I have a lot of stuff now That I hold on to A lot of it's like ideas You know what I'm saying

A lot of it is the persona stuff You know what I'm just waiting to see the role Where I can like make it make sense to y'all Because I mean if I'm just doing it for myself That ain't no fun I want to do it for y'all You just drop this shit And we'll figure out what we'll figure out what we like

Do you have to change Exactly That's what I'm saying But I need it What I need it what Not to cut you up But what threw me off is the responsible up the hustle, it kind of set me back

a bit. So I had to, like, come out of that so that I can get back to where I was, where I was, like, standing firm, and I'm like, I'm just going to do whatever. And I've been saying that, you know what I'm saying? I need to stop worrying about how it's going to be received. I just need to put it out. And whoever,

you know, whatever they do. Right. Get out your own head. Right, that's what I'm about to say. Are you changing your day-to-day? Like, if you, when you're doing these different personas do, You change what you, like, whatever your day-to-day process is to fit the mindset that it takes to be. I like to honor it because that's what's happening.

Like, I don't want to do a purple wonder love looking like music soul child. Like, that don't make sense. You know what I'm saying? But they're not so far gone from me where I got to get into a mindset. Like, they're like, you know, it's whatever I'm doing in the moment. If I'm being music, I'm being music. If I'm doing, I'm doing the hustle. I just want to honor it.

My thing is I need for people to honor it because it's not going to work. Right. If I'm going to show up for music. Right. Like, it's not going to work. Nobody's going to have a good time. I know for a fact right now, you still can shut out with them as long as your name is up. Yeah, music more popular than all the other things.

Yeah, and I know that, which is why I never, you know, I'm not, I keep trying to tell you, I'm not stopping music. Like, music is still there. Right. If you just want to, you don't care about nothing, don't care about it. Focus on music. But you know, the way. But there are people that do, and I want to do it for them. And I don't want to water it down or compromise it because then the people that do like it is going to be like, man, you ain't coming with it.

And it's like, well, you know, I'm trying to make sure that I don't alienate my son. Like, look, all of that is unnecessary, man. Just do whatever. And whoever is, whoever like, whatever they like, they're going to move towards that. And then just, I want them to get the most potent raw version of that. Right. Well, look, man, you send us some shit. We'll promote it.

I want to get on something, man. We got you. What's you ever one of them niggas you send, we fuck them with it. Like, for real. Because, man, you just coming through. blessing the trap like that to matter we really respect. We ain't know what's something in there y'all. We fuck with all

y'all, I guess. No, no, I couldn't. No, I could not. You come up with a practice, motherfucker. You told me love with everybody that's on the buff. So we all of you. I don't think of that side of that. The duffles bag.

Johnny Flamingo. Black, black, black, the chef, nigger, all of the niggas. We fucking with all of them. Keep doing the thing and keep giving us hits and classic. Thank you. For what you've done so far.

Everything that you've done so far. I just want to be consistent and make sure that whatever I do, whether I know what I'm doing or I don't, but I want to make sure that whatever I do is always going to be quality. Like I always want to make sure, I'm not going to get y'all no crap. Hey man, that's what's been missing. We've been fans and if you would have just said, hey man, I'm about to drop some new shit and I need my fans to fuck with it. Don't just drive it and be like, get it.

We gotta know you. If you fuck with me, you'll figure it out. The nigga in the mask. That's me too. Oh, what? What? But you think we're bullshit, we're going to go and listen to all this and all this. But again, when you're so used to doing things, Dolo, you're not really having nobody's support.

I told you, have some niggas with you, too. I got people with what we can only do. Call us. Call us. We're going to say. We're going to tell you. K. Who I'm on the motherfucker.

All right. Do that shit. Fuck as you talk about. Like that. You need a nigga and look, I don't know who you was last night, nigga, but you was on your shit. Let's be that nigger. That nigger last night. shit to tell y'all shit

what else what else you don't know we're not let you do that that's what fucked it up if we're gonna drop the shit we gotta drop the wonder love

first and you said they got all them song right nigger stop that shit we're fucking with this the type of shit

that you gotta look and we all niggas that do all types of shit that's not what motherfuckers think we should do no I know this is the place

to even go here because I don't typically go here look at my shit I don't give a fuck we don't give a fuck we don't get a fuck I guess we don't give a fuck

You know what I'm saying That's why we're telling you do your shit Nika fuck what niggas think Don't think about and worry about what they're going to say I don't give a fuck I'm over that I'm admittedly I was I was on that You know what I'm saying

Because I cared so much about y'all You know what I'm saying But I had to understand like there's a way That I can care about y'all And also don't care about y'all See because I show up with hustle energy Listening to music Smoking on some one to purple shit

I do all three Yes, sir. We're smoking purple London lover. Listening to music. On our hustle. On the hustle. Nigger. So, yeah, I think we have our new marketing ticket here.

I told you, man. We got the plan. Are you managing all these niggas? We got the plan. Are you managing all these niggas? Yeah, man. Tell the hustle to get in touch with me. We got some shit to talk about.

Right. Look, man. I know we've been in here talking this shit. You need to go by our 85 side, bro. And you always say this, though. What's like this work with what about people don't know? So, majority time... You can take your shit down, this nigga.

This nigga got James Earl Jones in here with it. I'm going to tell you what I know. He is... My son's... So, majority time with artists, right? When artists coming up, like, just knowing him as long as I know him, majority time when artists come up, artists, like, have demo.

That nigga fank a long dinner, motherfucker. You just thing is demo? What's the first album? Yeah. Right, right, right, right. His first basically two albums was the niggas demo. Right. So he's like, y'all like my demo, nigga?

Right. And I'm over here like, won't y'all get me the bread and let him like so? So that's him like, that's him basically like R&D and shit. Like, you like my demo, you want my demo to be my album. This was shit I thought was cool, but y'all niggas fuck with it like that. It's called a guy giving talent win. You can do it effortlessly. And it's like.

And it was a sound that we never heard before. But I wasn't even trying to make a sound. You was just singing. You know, I was doing what I felt. So to see that shit, like, to see him write that shit, to even see how far it went, and he wasn't chasing it. This nigga didn't want to be an artist.

Oh, that's the whole other part. Like, I really don't. I had to learn how to, like, be social and, like, take pictures and sign autographs. I ain't like nothing that shit. Word. Like, what, come with it, like, the marketing and all that, like, walking up on people, like, taking a kid with you and with that. But a lot of artists is like that, though.

A lot of artists, like, they don't socialize. I don't do well with, like, a whole bunch of attention. Like, I don't do well with that. Like, I've learned how to manage that. Social anxiety. Yeah, I don't learn how to manage it on stage because I'm doing my job. Right, right. So, you know, and I love people, you know what I love connecting with people.

But it gets, all that energy just gets so overwhelmed that, I'd be like, yo, I need a corner to go. I'm like to breathe. But, see, you got to understand the way. that what you do affects people's lives like this music speaks to people's lives so to you it's just some shit you're singing but when it gets to the a person who no no i i feel it when i do it it's just that i never know how far it's how far reaching it but yeah it reached people and you hear them songs like like he said about the d-d-d-d-y like you hear that and that's a staple amongst even if it's just us but there's no way that you can go and hear that song and not know

at least the hook that's black history this is black history month that's that's how powerful that shit is so so so so so so beautiful yeah on that song mm-hmm low-key that's purple that's perfect niggas fucking purple fuck blue shit perp perfect Bro, we got to get purple on the show.

We got to get purple. Oh, shit, we got to get purple. Would you bring purple to the show? Yo, fuck it with him. No, you know. You don't understand where you are. Bro, you, you, you, you, you're not. We got myself to green light.

We do what the fuck we want to go, yeah. It don't know where he is. Check out, we got the green light on there. What do the fuck we want to do? Right. We got out who the fuck we want to have. When he started saying them trees on purple running. My bad, I didn't mean, I didn't mean to undermine your

No, you're intention. I'm just a little insecure about my creators. When you see Purple Wonder Love screaming so crazy and the hustle, we have a lot of motherfuckers that watch us. I'm talking about people that are hitting them on the rock. Yeah, these motherfuck fucking stream jumping up. So you're telling me so beautiful with Purple Wonder Woman. But I couldn't tell y'all that, first of all, first of all, let me just be.

That's my, that's my name is out. That's my favorite. And so, so. You go, my Amazon. Hey, what you said? That's right. Purple Wonder Love, boy. He got sound like Scooby-Doo when you.

Here is where it's not Purple Wonder Love. Right. Okay. Purple Wonder Love don't make romantic songs. Okay. He doesn't talk about romance. Purple Wonder Love just talks about love. Okay.

You know what I'm saying? And it's more so like, you know, it's more, it's like, you know, Zen music, you know, like more so for, you know, self-care and all of that, you know what I'm saying? The reason, Purple Wonder Love came out of me recognizing that I needed that. You know what I'm saying? and self-careed my whole life and I had to realize like fam you got to see about yourself boat like give yourself sometime give yourself a moment you know what I'm saying give yourself things that you need to feel recharge you can't keep doing that for everybody else and not have it done for you yeah he's filling up the glass and for everybody else in the water and you all running on

you're running on e right you're so used to running on e that you're like I'm not all right So beautiful is my favorite song. You know what I'm saying? So Beautiful has Purple Wonder Love energy. You'll hit when you listen to Purple. But see, but that's what I'm saying, though. You see how you gave us Purple Wonder Love energy? I was just saying that.

But you gave it through music, Soul Challenge. But that wasn't, but that wasn't necessarily the plan. Like, I do a lot of stuff. I do a lot of stuff. You got to stop fighting, motherfucker. You just got to do it. You're right. Sometimes shit that you think is good for you right.

You just got to let it go. I'm with you. Let purple wonder love and let the hustle talk to you. I'm just telling you where I just came from. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I know, bro.

You mean to tell me it's an album full of this shit somewhere? Well, what? I need that motherfucker. Right. That's my favorite song, man. That's not even the best shit. That's not even the best shit. Come on, man.

Like, for example, teach me how to love. Like, that was you was flowing on that motherfucker. Yeah. Like, was that music? Yeah, that was music, but buddy is hustle. Oh, nigger B-U-D-D-E-Y. Don't be shy. Nud of your eye.

It's my B-U-D-D-E-Y. I'll be remix the shit. My bad. The hook is music so sad. I've been doing, I've been, ever since that came out, I'll remix the shit out. But it's so easy. The flow order is so easy to remix. What's the same.

But what I'm saying is, I'm saying is, I'll, come on. I'll do stuff, I'll do stuff in the mindset of music, and I'll listen back and be like, that's low-key, bro over there. Like, that's low-key, homie over there, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'll hear it later. Whoa, that the fire alarm in this, motherfucker? Because you's on fire! Bro, I didn't know you had all that shit going on to your mind like that.

Because, like I said earlier, all people want is love, don't change, have crazy, so beautiful, teach me, buddy. It's your fault for making them beautiful-ass song. I'm not complaining. I'm just saying Look when you put everybody and implement them together

God just shows you like I can still make buddy go crazy I can still make one of the love go crazy and these songs are like some of the best songs Yeah you're doing what I'm saying hustle And these songs are some of the best songs that you made

Yeah but a lot of them were A lot of them were things that I needed Like I'll listen to hustle I'll listen to the purple and be like I needed that Right right you know what i'm saying like i didn't because i'm just you know trying to be creative and get it out you know get it out of my head i listen to stuff like it's been it's been five years six years now

i listen back like yo that was for me right i needed to hear myself back to myself because i didn't understand that i was going to go through what i went through in the last past three years it got real dark for me and listening to that was like it's some shades hey man fuck it you said it yourself don't be shy Give it a try. And listen in, You want to be 32 new guys

It's the good Like in the fucking But listening to purple And listening to hustle It was almost like You know This is why you had to do it then Because you needed

A reminder of who you are Because you're starting to lose it Because you're not getting What you need From what you already doing You got to do more You got to do better But before you do better

You got to clean your crib up though You got a lot of stuff You're not dealing with You got to work through it bro. It's a big watching this gonna give you some pussy. Okay. You deserve him. I know exactly what he needs. I deserve. You deserve all them beautiful-ass songs.

You should never have to ask for no coochie, man. Yeah, right. You teach me how to love, nigga. You ain't never got to show up, nigga. You was on your shit on that month. I just wanted to change. So I didn't. And show you the things that you need, baby.

You was going crazy, nigga. I didn't write that song. So? You sang? No, no, no. I didn't write that song, but I recorded it because it had words that I wish that I did write. That's gangster.

It has words that I wish. Because I knew how many of us needed that. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? I know how many dudes need that. Now, women need that. They need to hear that from their guys. Because some dudes don't know how to say that.

And when I heard the song, it's like, yeah, I'm going to do that. Right. But you bought it delight. Like you bought this. It don't matter that you didn't write. That's the beauty of R&B. No, that wasn't the point. Yeah, no, but I'm just saying it's a separate point.

That's the beauty of R&B music. Whereas in rap, you get chastised if you don't write your own rhymes. Well, hip-hop is a different thing. Right, but R&B, I love the fact that. It was about you and your bars. Babyface, nigger, is the greatest of all. I'm talking about a nigger that has show up and write you some shit. And I just always find the great, the great writers, the ones that can write from,

not just their own perspective, but like a neo who can write from. A woman's perspective. I got a song called Miss Philadelphia. Oh, yeah, that's on love and music, right? Yeah. Nica, I'm a fan. I'm surprised. I'm not surprised.

I'm like, dope. He's like, oh, you know. I'm putting on. I thought he was about to say, well, you know, love, that's a whole other person, you know. Love went crazy on his shit. That's crazy.

Love is a person. That's nuts. Love went crazy on his shit. Hey, man, this is. But, but, but, but, but, but I was saying that to say, that, you know, a song like teach me is so necessary. This is the part where I'm talking about doing my

job. I'm proud of the job that I've done because I felt like I was providing the service. It wasn't about me and what I wanted to do. It was about no, these things need to be said in a package that you have because it's going to hit different if it comes from somebody

else. You were the one that was given this message to convey to the people this way. You know, all the elements that make you who you are, that's how it's going to be received. Just like anybody else, any other artists. Like, if they didn't do it, it wouldn't have hit the same. You know what I'm saying?

So I was just rising to the occasion. I was just answering the call that was put before me. I was so grateful for the opportunity, which is why I did it for so long. And I didn't deviate from the plan because I knew how necessary it was for y'all. Was there ever any songs that

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