The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - NICK CANNON in the Trap

Episode Date: August 11, 2023

Nick Cannon came thru the trap to discuss his start in the entertainment industry, creating Wild N' Out and more. He also tells the FULL story on why Karlous was terminated from Wild N' Out. You don;t wanna miss this classic episode of THE 85 SOUTH SHOW!!! || 85 SOUTH App: www.channeleightyfive.com || Twitter/IG: @85SouthShow || Our Website: www.85southshow.com || Custom Merch: www.85apparelco.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They had to put a tube down your throat. Yeah, that's one one one of the mother going to tell me, yeah, man, Chico went surgery. I was like, man, shut the fuck up. No, so they had to put the tube down and shit and open that bitch on. You're a damn over a pretzel. One piece of pretzels, slim. That's it. And that's all to take.

So like I say, for me, it's different. I got growing up with food allergy, slim, like, I don't, it's so much shit I ain't never had. Nicky, you like, you ain't never had a receipts, nigga? No. You ain't missing shit. He ain't never had a Snickers? No, nay. They're delicious to let the motherfucker, but you ain't missing. No, they're not. You'll be singing it's so hard to say goodbye. Right. You know what I mean? It's so hard to say goodbye, nigga, hell nah, fuck that.

Fuck the peanut butter cups. Nah, nah, fuck peanut butter in general, nigga. I'm, I'm eating with that, my fuck. You can't even fuck with peanut butter brown women. No, that's different. That's different. I don't even know why you would just do that like that. It hit my mind. How about that you're going to fuck, white women? Crazy.

No, hell not. That's nuts, too. You gotta be chocolate. No. That's nuts, too. That's all you prefer. Yeah, I can do that. You know what I'm.

Jay Winn, I think it's time for you to play us some pimping, man. Uh-oh. Mm. That's, that's... Ah. That's what he liked. Yeah, he was... The whole time we've been talking.

That one you know what you've been talking. The whole time we've been talking, that nigger, don't respect me. I'm about to drop this zoom on this knick. What's that? That's that Commodore. Oh, yeah. That's my shit right there.

Yeah. Yeah. That's back when Lina Richard had the streets on lock. Hell yeah. That niggas was the coldest. You feel me? You killed that shit. That's the type of shit we'd be on over here, man.

We just be vibing this shit, just trapped out. Come on. Get it in it. I'm saying y'all doing it for Minnie Moon. Come on. Oh, yeah. We've been doing this podcast shit before niggas knew where the podcast was. We really kind of defined what it was for, you know, for urban podcast because it wasn't a whole lot of people out here.

And everybody else just follows suit. Come on. You know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, get in where you fit in. You know, there's a need. Black people have voices and we need to discuss certain topics and certain capacities. You know, we need some niggas like us who going to talk that shit and bring it real. Then we need some things out here giving bad relationship advice. Then we need some ladies giving their point of view. you own niggas giving bad relationship advice. Then we need some niggins and some women giving collective bad advice. Right. Then we got to see some people who spiritually uplift us.

Right. Some black positivity. Some motherfuckers who entertain us. Some people who are gonna tell us how to eat better and get this money. It's all type of lanes that black people need to be in. And we're in ours. Come out. Yeah.

That's why we can move and do what we want to do. Because we're worried about what nobody else doing. Yeah. It's enough bad. God, everybody had to start. Yes, in certain ways. What a hard kid. But we got to bring the integrity back,

and we got to make sure that everybody got the resources that they need to be successful. Come on. And that's the whole point of this platform right here. That's why we don't just be bringing everybody through here, and we've really focused right now on bringing nothing but ghetto legends. Now, people felt like the people said,

you're supposed to have been here. Oh, shit. And then we look up, and I'm supposed to be in here. And I see you doing all these other podcasts and I took that person on. I hit you and I said, Nick, he did take a person. Don't go on nobody else shit without coming to the trap. He called me one o'clock in the morning. You see this shit?

Do you see this shit? I'm like, bro, my eyes closed. What you're talking about? He must be doing a favor for somebody because we really know this thing. Come on. Yeah, I told you, since I've been trying to get over here. First of all, this shit is in the trap. Y'all nigga, it took me over an hour.

Ain't nobody tell you to be way to fucking out there where you at. Where we at? Where you were? Way to fuck out there. We definitely way to fuck out there. We're doing that. We're all the way. Ain't no way they charge you to go way out there.

They had to ask you for a failure because that's fucking fart. What happened to Tyler Perry, man? We ain't fucking when you shoot that Ty Perry? That's the most popular. My fucking studio to shoot at in Atlanta. This one was booked up for years. Shit. Marveling all in them.

motherfucker shoot over here. Tyler, I talked to Tyler, that niggick said, I can't even shoot my own shows over here. We can't do Central State no more? Center State. Yeah, that wasn't, that wasn't big enough. And then, you know, they have venues, so they got shows and shit,

like you gotta block that shit out for a month, that shit. That was the latest. We had a whole fucking club in the other day. We had a party after every episode. We had a party after every episode. That shit was like a club. I used to do that shit, too.

I just liabilities, it's just like, I was like it was happening. Yeah. And he started them story. Not that, not that particular you. I mean, I'm just saying in general. You know what I mean? All it take you.

All the difference. Yeah. All the way. But if you want to be technical, that was the latest. Oh, my Lord. I don't know. Nah. Y'all niggas ain't been around.

Yeah, I don't know, man. I can't say, I can't say. Y'all. You don't fit every last one on. Yeah. They came back. I don't know about the old shit. That don't even count.

Well, nobody there to watch them. We were in high school. All right, we'll park it then. Without further ado, we got a very special ghetto legend in here with us today. Yeah. He got a long list of credits. He has literally done everything that a nigga can do in life. Right.

This man has an amazing life. He has at least 30 jobs. Right. Very entertaining. Right. It gave all of us the opportunity to be better niggas. Right. So it's an honor and a privilege to have none other than that.

Then who? Nick Cannon. Man, trap. Man, trap. Yeah. Nick, man. Nick, man. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. All the way. All the way, man. Man. It's about fucking time. God. Oh, gee.

I told y'all was coming. I didn't do a lead work together to come here. That's what we just did today. Yeah, I asked him, we was on set. You know what I mean? We was walking off at the last show. I said, Nick, man, where are you coming to the podcast? He was like, man, let's do it.

Let's shut it up. Let's do it. You know what I'm going. You know this, Nick. When he get the high pitch boys, I'm like, oh, he's really coming. He's like, oh, man. First of all, you don't have shit to worry about on the 85 South show. Every time you go on the podcast, you say some crazy shit that gets the internet all

riled up. I'm probably going to say some crazy shit. All right. Fuck, that's on you. We're gonna go viral. It's on you. That's what we do, man. This suit, this suit loud as hell.

Yeah. You know, I'm loud. That's why I don't give a fuck. I ain't never get you with them. I just want them. Damn, OG, please, man. You don't like my shit? I do.

I do, because I gotta go work tomorrow. But why do you have you with them? You wear a lot of shades. But them... These are your fame. My Y.S. I love these shit, but I'm gonna tell you, it's like when, you know,

you know it's clark kent and superman right like this is really the low-key look this is i got to be up at five in the morning this is late at night turban star shades but i look different when i get paid millions of dollars on tv so this is this is just this is the cover-up shit where i do with tv too but when you don't see me with glasses on that's when i'm getting paid the most oh okay so when you got glasses on that that mean you don't really want to do that's the mascot this to you know keep the bag you only can see my eyes when you give him me millions of that it is i had mercy you niggas is under suspicion i don't know who this is i'm talking to i might be sleep under these ass but see that's the thing like we didn't you know it's so crazy

to have you here man because like i said we came in this shit a decade ago like and we was like me and loads talk all the time like just about that position that we was in and just in life at that time niggas was broop i'm talking about broke bro i'm sending 50 60 dollars home and shit like so for you being a person that you know like you said gave us an opportunity to be better niggas like was that your intention in the whole time or was it just like something that you just was doing because like you said you were a nigga that know how to get millions and dollars on television that's where i shoot i built the platform for to give niggas opportunity And when I, the early seasons, when it was Kat Williams, Kevin Hart, D. Ray, Atheon, like,

I was just to be like, look, I was on. I was doing movies and music and shit, but, and I had the relationship at Viacom. So I just was like, yo, let me create something to put the squad on. And it just started working. So it was even by the time y'all came around, it was, that's, that's the MO. You know what I mean? Like, we just got to make sure. And we just keeping our eye out for Kat too.

you know really had the sauce and really had the work ethic to let me look what y'all built you know what I mean like that's that's that's that's the beauty of it all when you get when you say yo it's a lot out there to go get and motherfuckers really pay attention and go get it but that's what it's here for the thing is though like you had to show and it went away and you didn't have a necessity to bring it back you didn't need it so what that's what I'm saying as far as what made you want to bring like to to go to route again. Yeah, man, I was at the crib. I was married. I was chilling. You know what I mean? I'm

to be honest. I had to start because I started paying attention to the battle rap world. And I would see cats like Khan and clips and hitman. And I just became a fan of it. And I was like, yo, that's really what we used to do on Wiling Out. But they took it and really just culturedified it all the way and took it took it to a whole new level with the level of talent. And even how authentic and grimy was i mean obviously niggas been battle rapping since you know the cold cush brothers and kum o d and all you know treacherous three but the when we put it out there in the earlier seasons of wild and out we made it fun and you know it was me and Kanye and you know like it was really on some like paying homage to like the backpack type shit and then they took

battle rap culture and like turned it into something and then shit after that i was like y'all i should do this again with a whole new generation and i was inspired by that i was like if i'm gonna do it again i'm gonna flip it like this uh and i was all i was you know i was running the the teen division of nicolodean at the time so i was already over there and even at one point i was thinking like like let me just do like a while and out for teenagers or for kids like on some more educational type stuff so then i kind of stopped developing that i was like i'm and just bring it back and thank god yeah yeah exactly boy appreciate you for that name yeah damn and then that's what we did we brought that shit I mean shit we see I like you know the

first iteration and then yeah you know two t-shirt yeah yeah shirt two t-shirt uh the 25 cent bag of chips yeah they but you know what though like now being there and being you know one of the well how many of us left it's just me you like E-Man and Kahn, right? From that original season five. How many people was that, four? There's four, it's only four of us. Shit, it was, last time we took a picture,

it was more than four people. My fuck is this, this would be disappearing. There, but it's like that process there, like I use that as an example all the time because that was like gladiated school. In regards to the time that we came in, it's like, it's different now because you know the platform has grown

and it took on a life of his own, but when we came in, Corey and them niggas was like, fuck it's this knicker, and you had to prove yourself in a way to where it wasn't, it wasn't no writers. It wasn't nobody to help you. It was just, the comedians was looking at y'all like, especially like spanky. Yo, I was dead.

Boy, you remember that shit? Yeah, I mean, for real, bro, like, it was crazy. They really, they were like, man, who are these niggas? Yeah, I wouldn't say, not, not in front of you, front of us you know what I'm saying yeah but their opinion never matter if you really gonna gauge what you about to do off what a nigga like that say that ain't never been my embo right the niggas ain't never impressed me this this nigga here and then this nigga came in it took their whole energy

and start doing the same shit he hate all the new niggas too who is there the like right you can't name a nigger in there that I was wrong about Nick, you don't like nobody. They're not likable people. You just be finding, you found a random nigga with a towel on his head. He was, he was, uh, No, he wasn't. Yes, he was.

He was terrible. It was called TikTok. It was called Musically. Hey, man, you should have left his ass on that app. I tell you that. It was a kid. He was a young boy. Oh, no, what the for.

I forgot what his name was. He told me, man. Oh, that's a Christian. That was the nigga there. Do you see how you don't even remember the nigger name? That's what I'm talking about. You should have left his ass on that app. Yeah.

Nick, a loaves no luck. I don't know. I haven't felt your whole personality is tying a towel around your head. Hey, that nigga, and I used to do some weird shit. He used to, like, put his legs behind his head. Why? You impressed by shit like that? I'm gonna tell you why.

This nigger is an asshole, bro. Like, this nigger. That should not, no, fuck that. That should not be enough to be enough to be. No, you got to understand. This Nick, I learned the first workshop how much of an asshole this nigga was at his core. Like people see the dick, that glass and shit. Like whoever up under there, that's who that nigga really is.

Like, nigger, we in the workshop the first day, the first day, we walking around the shit or everybody walking around, this nigga got a shocker. Let's see how you land like a Batman building like this. Shocking, brother. Nicker was trying to play a game where you sit in a deaf row electric chair right and you have a dog collar around your neck nigger and if you fuck up the rap they shocked your neck I'm like bro what the fuck that I sign up for I don't know if I want to make it this bag this thing that it was funny as fuck see why they're gonna go do with it because the standards and practice they want niggas to get hurt and shit like

I'm glad you found me on the app I bring my audition he said she to do so I was funny. I was like, what you want me to do? He's like, I don't know, nigga, do something. I'm like, shit. If I wouldn't, if I, I, every, everyone ain't gonna be gold. It's some fool's gold out there. This nigga was already proven by the time me he got on wow.

But nobody, nobody gave, nobody gave me a shot like how he said. He said, I remember it was you now and Shelby. Yeah. And a line of comedy theater, nigg was in the, you know, Nye giving her producer look, Shelby, yeah, be in Shelby. Bro, I didn't even. Oh, yeah, but just do something. I didn't even have a while in that audition.

that audition. I just outside talking shit about, outside. I was like, who's this nigga in the motherfucking old school talking shit about niggins? Bring that nigga inside. And that's what we got. That's great. That's feel the same niggins to this day. I met this nigga two years, two years, but.

Man, all y'all niggas is terrible. You're ugly. They don't like you. You too old. I was on them niggas. on them niggas and listen i didn't met this nigger two years before wild it out he came back he was doing a fresh faces of comedy show yeah in new york at gotham comedy club and dolly was working with him at him pete davison me pete and all us came and you are

a new pete yeah i've been new pete you know i mean but um i came and do the show and when i came in to do the show the white man that owned the club was like yeah i don't know who you are bro so you can't say this you can't say that you can't say i'm like niggie what the fuck type shit is this right but one day Pete sent me a message said man I would call you but I don't have a phone recent that was the last time I talked to it he said I would call you but I don't have a phone he damn sure said it that's great I don't know but you know I didn't even know if I should respond or if he was gonna get it yeah I feel I don't know what he sent it on right so I'm I nervous is a

motherfucker right so I'm like man everything that I thought I was gray say this man just told me I can't say right so I go outside my creative process always you know I duck off talk to myself so I'm outside walking around in the circle talking to myself this nigga pull up him and Dorian pull up see me outside talking to myself just look like New York walk right in I go on stage to do my set I come off he stopped me and say hey man you you just was outside making all that shit you just talked about up just now wasn't you because I just was talking about what just happened right I got

on stage and talk about the white man telling me I couldn't do my jokes and... You let a white man tell you couldn't be your joke. I didn't know no better. I didn't know no better. I didn't know better. I've been doing Cullen for two years at that time. And I'm going up to New York for the first time not doing this.

You know, this is a nigga here, boy. This boy, that's crazy. Man, what type of shit is that? That's the shit you should have said. That's what I said when I got on stage. You should have said everything he told you not to say. That would, you want to rip that motherfucker. It's so talented, and that's what I recognize.

He's trying to freestyle and rock that motherfucker. And he let a white man tell him not. He ain't going to let that go. I mean, it's, hey, Lisa. The motherfucker might have been Puerto Rican. That's right. No, he was a white man. See, like I said, I'm still learning.

How the fuck you're going to be a comedian, and you weren't prepared for this shit all week. And then the motherfuckers say, hey, it's brilliant. Don't say that. I have a job. This nigga, this nigga. I got like a nigger, like a white man told me not to say nothing last weekend. Nigga, I was in 2010. I was doing open mics in Greensboro, North Carolina, nigga.

They all I mean? What I'm wrong with you? And he wanted the opportunity. Yeah, and I came up and did the shit, nigger. I get all stage, Nick was like, man, was you just making all that up? I was like, yeah, man, he said, man, keep doing that. I'm around some of the best in the game. They can't do what you just did.

And then we went to, I don't know if you remember this, we went to six flags the next day. Yeah, he was crying. Yeah, we went to Six Flags today. She was scared of rollercoasters. Yeah, she was scared of roller coes. Nigger made her get on a roller coaster. It's an asshole, but I've seen this nigga at his core.

So I'm... You're a terrible person like that? I'm watching this nigga. You made me eat a fish. What you mean? Just like me. Yeah. You're terrible.

You just called you Gargabelle. I can't even restart. I don't want to hear that shit. He's a white man talking about this shit. What the other? I'm evil. That's the case. Yeah, exactly.

But, you know, I'm watching you at that time, mind you're all the way nobody. I'm just a nigger that's with a nigger that's with a nigger at that time. With too many niggas. No, it was, yeah, I was the last nigger. I'm with the assistant of the assistant. I'm like, ooh. Let me stay back here so I don't overstay my welcome. I don't want to, you know, do too much.

So I'm watching him just as observing. And I'm seeing him go, you know, he VIP and everybody. They're yelling on the speaker, don't hang over the rails and people going crazy trying to take pictures and shit And I'm looking like man this is what success looks like in this game And I deal with this shit and at that point I was like yeah and I can deal with this shit And you know at that point I was like nigger this is what I'm supposed to be doing That is just the craziest shit I ever seen with this nigger a white lady handed him a baby and walked off What that was before the kid I'm telling you this we was at

out somewhere and the lady just handed this this nigga a baby and he was like who fuck baby is this? A white baby? A white baby? I know that piss you off. You hand that white lady. No it was like man this I didn't even know shit like this happened in America. I ain't never seen that shit before. Where was y'all that? Trust a black man

with your baby. Where was y'all that? Man, it must have been on them tour shows and so where he's on tour. I see the fan. Yeah she wasn't just coming to give me a baby Niggins? I don't know. There's people ask me all the time. What's the joke that went too far?

Like, in the whole history of wilder now? The one that went, I don't, I don't think there is one that went too far. Niggins doesn't been talking about me dying. Niggins talking about my baby mama. I don't want to give shit. That's one of the things. I got a thick skin. You can't say nothing to really.

That's what I always give you credit for. One of the main things that I give you credit for in our journey, you know, being, you know, people that you get you a opportunity to a lot of niggas that's in your position to give you the opportunity then stand back and see what you do yeah and just let you go out and just you know so a nigger not attached to it like oh he's some shit ah well i mean hey right you i mean catch you when i catch you but you stood beside us the whole time and allowed us to use a nigga that was already a superstar you know it let us come up in that regard that's about me that's true generation of wealth i just want to see niggas win i mean yeah

That's what it is. I mean, if you really say you're on TV for 10 years. Hey, and y'all that took it beyond television. You feel me? We created this energy from being over that. Hell yeah. Movies and fucking record labels or all that shit. Y'all are killing it. Car, 85 stuff ain't a record label yet?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're about to say. Yeah, we're about to say. Hell, we ain't going to be terrible rappers. We're terrible rappers. Fuck it. This niggas we believe in.

That's all that. You get a terrible rap. Fuck it. Everybody else do it. We ain't get no terrible rap. We're going to invest your part of the money. You're going to invest your part of the money. I ain't going to give a fuck.

I'm going to cut that shit off and tell the but go home. It's because you're gifted, though. No. You want somebody to be able to do shit at your level and be around. No, no, no, no, no. See? You're the same kind of terrible. That's his goal.

We're going to find some terrible things. No, hell no. We need to find some niggie that get leased. Got talent that wanted to me. You see. He's like, no, let's find some motherfuckers who don't even care about this shit. Right. What?

And then he's just going to talk all that shit to me and this nigga and just do exactly what he said this nigga been doing for 10 years. So you're looking at a terrible nigga. Terrible, he played, dude, that's the Jedi mind trick. See what I'm saying? See what I'm saying? That's what I've been doing is fine and terrible niggas. What? You're saying some niggas that can't even rap better than me and Chico?

Who? Nigger, name them. Y'all niggas do more than rap, though. Oh, I'm a man into that shit. Just who just dedicate their life to that shit. shit that's what it is y'all dedicated your life to being we know we didn't dedicate our life to shit this is part of what we do but this is your life no this is just like one nine and night dedicated your life too low pimping don't act like you didn't know this shit

the mac and the pimping is what got me in the game talk to it was the gift of gap you the instigator and motivated if i couldn't convince these motherfuckers that i'm better than what they thought i was none of this shit exists. The rejuvenated. I pimped this whole situation. If they second guess you, then use a haters. They think this show is about a fucking interstate. Yeah.

Nigger, come on. You act like you don't see the pimping. Nah, niggia, I've been seen it. They didn't fuck up and let me get a whole building with the square footage with security. Ain't no telling what happened. They start pulling on their shit. This is it.

Look at the couch. Yeah. They could have got a new one. No, clean that one. Because we're bringing them but ghetto roared to We want niggas to feel like they take you out. Come on, man. You kept in the game.

Look at this floor. You're undedicated. We didn't even done yet. They was about to put a Walmart over here, but we tell them no. This both been Walmart. Come on, man. Hey, I don't do that. I'm only having people coming back over here and be like, wait a minute.

Hold up, hold up. We were supposed to put Walmart right there. Y'n't even know it. We didn't even know it. We didn't get a Walmart. Look, I don't look. We just got a Walmart. I won't let a white man tell me.

We ain't parted up a target and the rest of the motherfucker. You feel what I'm saying? That's all this. We'll wrap about that later. Yeah, we'll wrap about that. Hey, man, welcome back to the 85 South show. Today, we are wiling out with none other than Nick Cannon, the most controversial nigger in the game. People only look at the good shit that he'd do

and they ignore all the controversial shit that he'd be doing to. You got to be likable, love. Every time you look up, he has some shit. As long as they like you, they'll forgive you. Nick, you'd be whaling, though. That's there, wilding out. You'd be flirting with TMZ ladies and shit. You can't just be out here saying this kind of shit, Nick.

You don't do it? No, but nigga, you Nick, though. You be having, you be doing the most. They give a fuck about you. I'm in a comfortable position in my career where I can say shit and don't nobody give a fuck. You say the wrong shit. It's on the news in the morning.

They canceling deals. Can't nobody drink Sprite no more and shit. Don't never gauge your life off the shit I do. You are way more successful to me. I could never be the gauge in your decision making. You always told me you said, yo, just hire you to pay you to just keep a real nigger around. And I guess you found some other niggers. I was not suggesting nobody else.

I don't know what the, why you listen wrong? You're elevated beyond that position. Now you got to hire real niggins to be around. What about you to keep you solid and thorough? I am not, Nick. I am the real nigger. In my life, I take all the heat for my own decisions. But your ass, you out here just fucking going crazy in real life, man.

I mean, I'm enjoying it though. You probably shit. I've been to TV shows there now. Shit, I stopped counting. You stopped counting. What's the most exciting TV show? I know it's our. I mean, I love Wild and Alka.

That's my baby. But I just saying that because we don't I see how happy you be on that mad singer shit you smile the check is a lot Bigger like that smiling the whole fucking time take you got damn glasses off see That's the shit now I remember he was doing America got talent niggas nigger That's nigger dressing room looked like the stage we shoot on I was like God damn Nick Yeah, good to see what's the most exciting like lift his arms up for a motherfucker to come fit him for a suit standing right there i say you they put it close man the nigger went like this does he was like what's that she's in and a motherfucker came and dressed this nigger i said oh shit that's money

money bro this shit different all the way that's money so what you what you say is the most exciting show for you then uh ever i mean i got to say it's well and out that's just real shit that's the most freedom i mean one because i run it right and i can pretty much do whatever i want to do And I created it, like from working on the logo to making all the beats, to creating the games, to picking the cast, like, and then for it to be, we got restaurants now, we got board games. It's a franchise.

We got a motherfuckin' tours and travel all over the world. Like, I haven't done that in any other capacity. You know what I mean? Like when you take something that started in here and it literally becomes an iconic legacy for decades, Right. Yeah. That's a motherfucking out.

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It's crazy you say that fly because it's a level of talent, man, that you got a hair to do that shit to the level. that had got to be done it and when you came it was different like when we first met that's the first thing you said when we came did me and this nigga downstairs in the lobby reminiscing like nigger we back again and they gave us another one this niggick come downstairs and say yeah what's up niggins so you to met your real friend and left me huh i'm like oh you a wild digger in real life what's up would you slim but that's the type of shit that you can feel where a nigger gonna be able to blend into that environment because that shit like this This nigga come do the show and then this nigga would, at that time, he was leaving and

going to shoot America's Got Talent right after. And so it was us that was creating the environment that you come into and we had to fight to be able to establish, like they was trying to give me three shows my first season. It was like, yeah, you're here for three. But they've been laying on me since I first walked in the building. So I remember that situation happening with you. Yeah. We're having on you.

Soon as we got to the set, brother, the people who put the lights. in the ceiling. They were smoking a joint, and they thought it was me. They blamed Carlos. Really? Yeah. We just walked in the building. These motherfuckers been smoking all day.

That's crazy. Damn. Ben had it out for you. They've been handed out for me. Yeah, they scared you. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I've ever been on, and I use it as a baby. Like, can't nobody even say anything bad by wild or not. I do no, no side of shit about wild or not. Because we use it as a platform, and we use it as a platform. use it as a solid foundation to see how we know how a successful TV show work. Facts. Not only do we know how a successful TV show work, the energy that we have cultivated over the years. Like I said, when we first got that, it was like, it gets the show, motherfuckers, how much shit you can actually do.

Right. As a talent. Because you have to do a lot of shit that don't have shit to do with shit you might do, especially if you're music or you fuck with the comedy or you fucking, you know, you're a comedian and you have to fuck with the music. But it actually became a work. space where people was looking forward to go to all right why not called you they called you too I mean we got two weeks they go to LA and he gonna shoot this shit have fun with the bro go up here talk some shit that's what and we go on it's you know what I get ain't even like it was different at a time though I remember

remember them times where we was waiting on them I remember I was said to say the name or here because I don't know if they were there's the old regime they might be working for somebody else now he was waiting on them then pick up notices oh yeah waiting a niggie you Oh yeah, you ain't never had to wait on no pickup notice. Nick, yes, I think, why not? Nick, you had to, they was worried about whether that they was going to replace you every season? Well, I think we had to, is the show coming back?

Is it, the entire show get picked up? Oh, of course, but see, the pickup notice was after they had already knew the show was coming back. Like you had already be like, yeah, we're coming back on number one. And three weeks then passed, you're like, well, maybe, maybe, maybe not. Wait for the call. They're waiting for the call. Like that shit was different, but in a sense of we, that's what made us love it so much, in my opinion, because we really had to work. Yeah, like there was no, you know what I mean, there was no leeway.

There was no olive branch in regards to, you know, what you do when you get on that stage, like when them lights turn on. And I want to ask you this, like, how was it different for you? because in my opinion, you've surrounded yourself with some, with talent that you'll always be able to say, man, I found that person. But do you ever had a pressure coming up and performing the way that we feel when we get them emails when we're on the show does it, does it expect you the same way? Because I want to keep the brand going. You know what I mean?

Now there's an expectation. And even when it comes to like, I don't even like saying like, you know, I found that person And I put that person on. Really, it's the platform that I created that allow y'all to take it. I think Cat Williams even said that shit the best. He was like, whiling out is like a diving board. He was like, his niggas that's gonna come and jump on that motherfucker and do flips and do some Olympic shit and soar. And there's going to be some motherfuck going to come bounce on that motherfucker and fall the fuck off.

So it's like long as I keep it stable enough for niggas to continue to launch, then that's what we appreciate you. It's the community pool. This niggas come jump off and soar with that shit. Well, I ain't gonna cap, I'll be telling people all the time I put you on, because I know you would never say that. My girl, my big homie. When I came in the game and we did that first season, Nick, he was through it.

When you started doing comedy? Man, 19- Can you an old, young niggins-six. No. I started doing comedy in 05. You're a young nigga. I'm old- But you carry yourself like an old nigga, but.

I was raised around. I'm from Mississippi. so I'm automatically 60 you came out the wound at 37 yeah it was old nigger when you came out you like me yeah all everybody was old I grew up around my great grandma and my real granddaddy ain't talking about my real my real granddad I got to see my family where my granddad could have been even greater but he never had no draws that fit all his draws was too big No.

Wait, but he never. You wanted to have the type? No, I'm just saying, like some days you go over my granddaddy house and here an answer the door in his draw. That's what granddaddy's do. And it was like granddaddy, if your drawers was the right size, ain't no telling what you could achieve. You just never had a real fair chance.

I think all my daddies had baggie draw. I think they only made boxes in one size back in the old. These ain't even boxes. These are just drawn. I said, well, this boy, he's, he's just like. Like, saggy assed-d-da-da-d-a-d-d-a-old? Yes, just, really, yeah, yeah. He's gonna be great.

These draws were at least three sides is too big. I don't know. You didn't fit his waistline. I'm from the city. I don't know my granddaddy. I ain't never met that, nigga. I'm telling you, man. I was not raised around.

And my daddy was... Look, had a tough life, man. Yeah, that think... People think he all jokes. That nigga have been through some shit. Oh, yeah. Got some real gangsters or, like, shooting. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, that ain't, that's the, that's the beauty of being. You're gonna blow this cover. Oh, sorry. Nah, nah, no, no. You're a real one. Nah, you know, it's, that's the, that's the, the beauty of being in this position. Like, to get to this is the escape, all of that shit. Like, I just did a show in DC at the MGM, and I went back through my old neighborhood, just the show, like, it's different now.

Yeah. Gentrified now. Whole foods over there? Oh, it's coming. I mean, it's a lot of white people waiting on it, but. for me it's like I don't I've escaped that environment but I'm of the environment when you really have it you don't got to walk around like I'm saying you don't have to walk around like you the tough way or you're

proudly yeah nah nigga I'm I didn't I didn't beat the games now I'm like I had to wake up every day and be outside without a choice nigga like that's not that's not something that you know I'm proud that I was able to get out of it but I'm also not like yeah nigga guess what I'd did before fuck all that but the thing is for me getting to a position where we at now is like i look back on coming into that slap or that diving board like you said with nothing right and like really me and this nigger man like we came in together and he said some shit to me at our audition that our first workshop when we was doing that last audition that group audition that we did

that niggie came up and said something to me that ring rings true to this date something that the real shit ever like this nigga walked up to me because we knew each other pride he was like man i don't know what these niggis do but we great get on tv and i've been telling you that them niggas been garbage since even before y'all pick me that's what i've been saying i didn't never change everyone you know that's you've been the same niggins since colby brine of the game Kobe brand fuck him put them on the court if they make it to me And he don't like none of the holding niggins either. He's like he's the grab, but that's why the thing you got me.

What's the difference between new garbage and old garbage? The smell, the smell, the old garbage, stink worse. There's old garbage and new guy. Who do you fuck with other than these two niggas right here? What do you mean other than these two you don't need for two motherfuckers? I already proved that. People who have a lot of friends don't have none. You came up in this stand-up game with a lot of niggins.

You don't fuck with none of them? It's not that I don't fuck with them, but do you understand that these niggas look at what I do with my hard work and feel like I don't fuck with them? No, it's not even that. They had the same opportunity to be these motherfuckers. But, you know, y'all be, y'all watch the other platforms

and the niggas be coming up with all of these conspiracy theories on the comedy hypes and all of that. And it's like, it's like, or whoever else got a podcast and, you know, trying to emulate what y'all them built. like a lot of there's a lot of people that feel like yo you y'all have thrown because they authentically don't fuck with each other they not you can't just get on but this what i'm saying you can't just get on camera and pretend to be friends people going to see through that shit right right that's why they fuck with us we don't always agree they be with the shit sometimes

and i don't be with the shit sometimes sometimes the shit i be with they be like those just your shit That's, hey, that's real family, that's the family shit. But that's up from the environment that we come up out of, which, you know, being in Wild and out. Like, when we came in, nigger, what helped me. You had to find a family. You're going to be by your motherfuck. To this day, I still do shit the same way I did when I came in in 2013. I'm ducked off over here.

But there's too much shit going on in the environment for me to be comfortable. There's too many unnecessary conversations. Niggas is eating lunch with the wild and out girls acting like they don't know them your whole. It's like, like, bro, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I never, that made you choke, huh? That made you choke. You thought we weren't going to bring it up in Nick? Like, bruce is hell. I don't, I never got it.

Like, I've never got like, I've never understood it, bro. Like, I've never, I've never, I've never understood that type of, you know what I mean? Like, I always, I always had to find a niche to be comfortable because I don't, I don't do well. in environments where I see shit going on I'm I'm I'm different than him in the sense that I ain't got to say nothing right I just see it and be like that's crazy and go away he going to say something this niggas go all in a prayer like this nigga ain't in a prayer and he'd be great doing the prayer they'd be like yeah man y'all do a great stop lying nigger it was like lones I'm trying to motivate the young people

man fuck these niggins they ain't gonna be here next season Why do you get these internet niggas a chance? Why do you? That niggins old and grumpy, boy. That's my boy. I do you. Oh, he's grumpy now. You know, young and grumpy, man.

Why? Why? Why? Because I want to give people opportunities, low. I want to be, I want them to get on the diving board and sword. Nick, what is the criteria these days? We have this conversation. No, what is the, every year?

Because you are lowering the standards. So far, you used to have to be good at something. This nigga came after y'all. I don't use him. Stop that shit. That nigger is amazing. He's been in movies. Justine can read.

Justina came after y'all. I can read. What the fuck? You can read. They got niggas now that can't even read. Don't they got some niggas that can read. No kids. He can read.

He can read. He can read. Man, I just heard them niggas read out of the week. They can't read. I heard the nigger read. What do you do? What do you say? Oh, I already know what you're talking about.

Uh, uh, uh, uh, Perumoo, Paramount. Paramount. Yeah, no, he not lying. I ain't bullshit. Not lying. Not lying. Yeah, he fucked, he fucked Paramount. Oh, I'm talking about.

He had to, he had to walk, he had to walk through Paramount. Everybody can't read, though. You can't read. I'm just, okay. I'm just, just so they can know. For now. you stop asking me what's the criteria these days uh to be fearless fearless you like you not not like me not like me you got to be if you're going to succeed on wild

and out you got to be fearless if you're scared at any moment you're going to fail you're going sink you're going to stumble off that motherfucking diving board people think that shit is easy you got to make that shit and then because they come in with the feelings they chest out feels as soon as there's crickets and they don't get no laughs you get scared and that's it And they start second-guessing their shit. Because they think this crowd is just going to come in here and laugh at anything. These ain't fucking people who just trained to laugh. These are niggins who really watching the shit like they were watching at the house.

I don't know. I ain't got no lap track. Nah. And then them New York seasons. He'd be thinking they'd be like, huh? Yo, nicks. Trash, sir. Yo, shit the fuck up, Scott.

And yo, Nick, I'm better than that, Nick, B. Word. You put me up. For real, Slim. But that shit was fun. No, I ain't going to hold you. Back in the day. Brooklyn was all the time.

When we had the three level motherfucker on the side? Yeah, that was that snag. That's what I was going to say. That's what I was going to say. With the hoop cord in it? Yeah, that was the one. My DJ poop in the middle of that, motherfucker. That shit was live.

That shit was live, man. That was live. That was live. That A one. The A one wasn't fucking with that New York one, man. After the season, it was like, the big of every show. It got two.

It got too crazy. Niggas was coming from the club to the wild and out after party. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Line up. Nogers try to get a cover charge to get into the motherfucker after that green room. I forgot.

That's why I was so many people in there. Yeah. People who had wristband. So we had people in the crowd coming back and fuck with a. I did not know that. I was like, whatever we doing, but this shit, fuck.

Hey, I got to ask you this, Nick. Like, what's the reason? Like, because you do a lot of shit and I be like, man, that nigger don't have to do that shit, but he really doing it. For example, now I'm talking about the good part now, like as far as the shit that you do. Like, we stayed, like, they didn't, you know, we didn't have to transition this particular season we're shooting.

And we staying at a hotel, nigger. Damn near, motel. Yeah, but you stay in there. And it's like, like, bro, why you do that shit? Like, when we was on tour and we had to take showers at the Salvation Army, and you was like, yeah, nigga, we go out to this. I'm like, bro, this nigga in the CIA, like, why is you taking showers with us at the Salvation Army? I'm trying to keep it thorough, man.

If y'all got to do it, I want to do it. Why I'm gonna lead y'all? Like, I can be on my jet doing all that. Why, I don't, I wanna fuck with y'all? But see, that's what I'm saying, is it just to be able to see what it looks like to struggle? Like, so you don't, like, so you don't forget what it's like.

Let me, what is it? Let me, let me stay around. See what the poor people are doing. Let me make sure I never lose that part of me. Because we was all, I mean, that tour bus seat, like that was the funny, get a full body massage. Get this dirt off me. We was having so much fucking fun.

That shit was fun, man. That shit was fun. Yeah, that shit was fun. Like, I'm gonna be by myself in an empty-ass jet. Like that ain't fun. But I'm saying you could have took us on the jet. That's what I really was getting at. Like, how do we transition it to see in the other side of the glasses?

of the glasses. We'd have been on this side of the glass. But yeah, I'm going to see the ends side of the glasses. This nigga just going to wait till we get our own and me to say, hey, what's up, baby? You got here, by this. I just want to always rock with y'all and even the same shit like where we stand now. Like, I could go waste all that money. I could go get a house, all that type of shit, but like, you're with us with the bulls and I want it. It's time to get to go to work. We all get up and go to work together. Like, a bed is a bed. But that, I mean, I give you that credit, though, man, because that's one of the things that I always recognize just me being a type of nigger that I am and

knowing that man this nigga ain't gotta be round niggins for real like this nigga really could be on some like hey man so phony and boring though man like like we all that came across the niggas who really you know believe in their own smoke and they try to treat niggas different because of whatever reason like you really could yeah who want to be around a nigga like that I will nobody it creates it also creates a sense of like you know for me at least I know I can speak for myself to where you like man this nigga fuck with me but then it's a certain level that you be looking like man dude how much do you fuck with me because you look around and see shit that you be like man

nigga ain't never asked me to do none of this shit because you expose yourself to shit that you don't have to so how do you balance that you know what I always say solid recognize solid and then when you just lay out the platform people gonna go get it where they want to get it You know what I mean like you know this thing right here man you see like he saw and he's like me I'm gonna go get these movies I'm gonna go get this hosting shit I'm gonna go get this music shit I'm gonna go master this stand-up shit like it was all right there for him and you see his work ethic you know what I mean some people just just like you said this nigga's purpose in life is to be pimping like that didn't want to be in life metaphorically not

like selling coochie I didn't we know what you're talking about yeah I'm just saying like this but you comfortable leaning back talking shit you know what I mean like this nigga who right here wanted all you know what I mean then I also see you too because I use you as an example I'm like bro I'm watching you land in I'm talking about literally like 20 minutes before we go on stage and you're gonna rock that bitch then leave you like what nick is oh he gone where yeah in LA I'm like like the motherfucker was just here six o'clock in LA already but you got to come back tomorrow because we got to shoot three more how do you

balance really being the busiest motherfucker I know I'm talking about no cap the busiest motherfucker I know your father and you keep a smile in your face how do you balance it all out I just look at it as a blessing man when like I would pay to do the shit that I get paid to do right like so when you wake up and God said like all of this is yours thing I'm gonna try to get it all and I'm not going like obviously you got to take care of yourself and your health and wellness first but once we passed that I'm out here cooking to the so I can't cook no more keep cooking why the pot is hot type shit like like it's to me every

idea is a great idea so we come up with the best idea so whether if you got something he got something like look me let's cook up like if I see an opportunity somebody it's a bag over there it's an easy bag to go get like I'm it's I'm trying to be one of those cats that just understands how to diversify your portfolio on every single level. So whether it's entertainment business in front of the camera, behind the camera, I'm always going to be constantly thinking, what's the next play? What's the next move? So luckily, I'm still, I got that youthful energy so I could still go. Like you said, I don't have to do it no more. I can be chilling on the island somewhere, but it's like I'm always

trying to figure out how to be innovative and what's the next wave. So I can't keep cooking. What did that come from for you? The hustle mentality growing up with, you know, my pops. I mean, y'all see my pops. That nigga crazy. They got a new idea. Nobody. Yeah. And I just, I mean, I got it from him. I mean, he came from the streets to the pulpit to, you know.

And then even, you know, just growing up around deep boys and hustlers, niggas just trying to figure out how to get you. How do you keep from going crazy being a check, going from a child star to an adult star? A lot of your peers went crazy and got the fucking with the wrong shit. I don't think I was a child star then. I think to the world it probably was, but I lived the whole regular life. whole regular life. I was in the projects cutting hair selling weed, like, you know, trying to figure it all out like everybody. To a man, selling weed, Nick.

To what age? Selling weed, Nick. You were on Nickelodeon at 14. No, I wasn't. Nick, I was grown. Like, yeah. You just looked 14? Yeah, like, that's what I'm saying, like, you was growing up some weed from me. Do you own Nickelodeon? No, Nick. I was an executive there. I was the chairman for, for years, but, but that's what I'm saying. Like, I was, I mean, like, Because I don't ever, like I said, I'm not trying to glorify this shit. But like, my, my stepdad was the biggest D boy in the city. You know what I mean? So I came up under that shit and I was, that was the play.

Like, if he was selling more than weed. That's just what I was doing in high school. I'm talking about. But I was being groomed to be that next nigga to kind of operate like that. And it could have went that way. And I had a lot of partners that did go that way. A lot of the niggas is still serving. So how did you get into the internet?

Give us the day that Nick Cannon didn't have to sell weed no more. And you'll have to do all that. Nick, I'll tell you, it's a God honest truth, man. Like, it was on some save my life type shit. My area and another area really was getting at it. And partners was just getting shot, dying. And I remember going. I remember I went to my grandfather, like, you know, I'm literally scared for my life.

Like, I don't think I'm going to make it out of high school type shit. And, you know, God's on the shoe, he gave me this book called Name It and Claimant by Dr. Fred Price. That was our pastor at Crenshaw Christian Center. And he was like, if you keep speaking death, that's going to happen to you. You start speaking life, then whatever you speak is going to happen to. He's like, you've got to speak things into existence. And that book was called Name and a Claimant. That was probably the first book when I was about, you know,

15, 16, that I had ever really rare start to think and kept reading it over. And I literally, you know, whatever you desire, believe it when you pray it and you shall have it. So, Mark 11, 23 type stuff, really just living it. And I started speaking like, yo, I'm going to be an entertainer. I'm going to be a comedian. I'm going to be a rapper. And this is in high school. And I literally, why homies was going through it.

And I like, it's a certain area. I couldn't even go no more. We couldn't go to the mall no more. we couldn't go to different football games because it was active and I was like yo I got to remove myself out of this environment so I started catching rides two hours away to Hollywood standing outside the comedy store the improv the laugh factory just with grown niggas everybody from Chappelle to Pierre to the Wayans like I'm just I'm just a kid standing outside sleeping on Jamie Fox couch like just really just trying to figure out how not to go

back to the hood. And when I did go back, I literally had to get back to school in the morning. Dude out, niggas wouldn't believe me, talk about the shit that I was doing. And I was just like, this is my vision. I'm gonna speak it. And really, but then I ended up graduating high school early.

And I was on. I was writing for TV shows. I was to warm up on Nickelodeon. I started, you know, at the time, it was WB and all that, I was doing all of that, getting holding deals. Jamie Fox had a, uh, a comedy festival down here called Lappapalooza.

Got deal out that, join the Bay Area Comedy Festival, rocked that shit, won that shit, like, all of like. And this is, I was fresh out of high school, you know what I mean? But I had escaped the life that I was like, and once I saw that, I was like, I'm gonna square up like a box of Apple Jackson,

just really just, whatever y'all say, I'm gonna focus. And so Nickelodeon came, I was like, yeah, I'll be a little kid for y'all, my focus, let's go, let's get it. But Laffa Palooza was some of the dover shit I ever got to be a part of it. Yeah.

Cause it was just like a whole week of just, all the comedians in the country just go out and and just, I remember, I got my, hit every club, every stage. At the first laugh of Paloosa. Like, we would rock the Uptown, we would do different arena, it was crazy. Everything in between, all the comedians

from in, on the whole urban scene, man. Yeah, Chris Tucker had a club out here. You used to bring me down, like, again, everybody who started out young would look out for the other young niggins. I remember being a teenager. So I remember Chris Tucker flew me and Mike Epps out here to do his club and put us in the same room.

I had to bunk with that crazy ass nigga Mike. This nigga had all kinds of bitches. God damn me, Nick, stop that. No, but that's those are my OGs. Those are dudes that show me how the game go. And that's, you know, obviously, they were, he was young, Mike was young. Like, Chris was the nigga popping at the time.

So like, we was just comedians on the road You ever had anybody, like, you know, little boy you or tried a little boy you and then double back and eat you. Yeah, all the time, all the niggins all the niggins out all, uh, wild and out in the early seasons. Oh, so you don't fuck with? No, I love you. You don't fuck with nobody, see?

Yeah, see, no, you the same kind of, you know. I wasn't a little boy. See this shit, chuck? Niggins, uh, spanky and all the niggas, and, uh, shit, uh, uh, Joe Blunt, all in Thomas Ward, they, they was older. live they used to live in the jungles in LA and I would come up and I just had to sleep on their floor you know what I mean yeah like yeah so it shit like niggins I was the little homie you know I mean shots out to you know Chris Spencer and you know Alex Thomas

that me because was those were the niggas I was looking up to and you know they're still in the game strong now but it's like you know when you do this comedy shit this this it's a whole different culture. Yeah, but the reason I is because how do you handle it? How did you handle it? What's the part? What's the most important part of the equation that makes you say, I ain't going to do a nigga the way I could?

Nah, because I mean, what do you really get out of that? You know, but that's low frequency shit. You know what I mean? like to me, I almost, niggins know what I got. Like, you get to a point I ain't got, well, I'm a stun on some niggas as doing bad. Like, that ain't, like, that ain't. He's like, why would you, dude?

I want to see niggas win. Like, especially a lot of the people I came up with. I want to see them shine, like, especially the certified real ones. Like, yeah, that's like, that nigg, Scracho going to be my nigga for life. Just because when I was a kid, that nigga, not only was he, the big homie on stage, that nigga was the protector of all of us just moving around and something. I mean, I see this nigga in Compton, knock a nigga out in a heckler out and set the nigga right there and knock down and have to tell the rest of he had to hear his whole set, sleep.

No. Put him up in a chair, sleep. The nigga kept talking, I'm just got out. Like I ain't, I'm just trying to do this comedy and kept up. Nick Scroncho, boop, boop, pick the nigga up and sit. He said, like I say. I fought with O.G. Nah, but I'm just saying cats like

that when you come around and like so any project i'm gonna do i'm gonna put that in a move to school dance or you know whatever and wild and out created podcast whatever i could do to help cast that's been with me since i was 15 years old like and that's who you know whoever it is from like i said spanky scrancho to whoever else that we was riding with the niggas obviously that we already know is you know making hell of money now from the niggins from kevin hard to cat williams we came And you and this niggas stay pranking each other. Y'all got an old damn prank show. They gave us millions of dollars to break niggas now.

We're good. We're going to have some real fun. Now we used to come out our own pockets to prank each other. Now we got the budget. We're going to start sending niggas to the moon and shit. I thought they was on spirit and sent that nigga to Jupiter. Don't break me. I'm good, slim.

Don't do me. Don't do me like that. Nah, don't blame, man. No, because he's an asshole, bro. He'd do us fucked up. He'd be like, yeah, Jiko. I'm finally going to put you in that movie. We'll and Carlos is finally going to be in the movie.

We show up the set, niggins, and scrunch over there with some boxing gloves on. There's a rolling cake. There's a rolling. Like, they with the fuck, I'm not fighting with the skates on. But I'm not fighting with the skates on, slim. Yeah, I mean. But that, like, that type of shit, though, you know what I mean? When you get to that point, like, what is the shit that make you want to keep creating outside of the money?

Like, is it legacy? some shit you can have fun at you know like i said that's why me and keb do what we do that's i'm i wouldn't do wild and out if that shit wasn't fun right has never not been fun nah i think i probably went through some stages and shit where i was just like people was frustrating me because they didn't allow me to take my brand where i wanted to but you know we got a lot of them people out the way so like you know again we jump in there we we knock that shit out we do three episodes of one day and have fun nigg you ain't having fun you shouldn't be there And that's as I tell that from, you know, from the top to the bottom, from executives to the catering.

Like, look, we're about love, peace, and having a good time. If you want some other shit, then this ain't for you. I overheard you on one podcast and you was talking. You were just saying about the ups and downs about the business and whatever. Right. And a lot of people would assume that motherfucker fly, too. Yeah, I had to show them off, you know. Yeah, the motherfucker.

Good luck. A lot of people. It's got that motherfucker jacket I gave you. I might ask him that motherfucker back. I ain't got it no more. The city got it. Oh, y'all, y'all, you just. He gave a jacket a hell yeah.

Nick, that's Jagger worked about 50. Well, he got it now, so don't ask me about the shit. Nigga, I don't have to have it. Me, you can see that big a seat. Like, that's the thing, like, bro, you got to understand. You didn't, it took us, well, I know for me, it ain't that I didn't want that type of shit back then. It was just on Jupiter.

So we had to get to the point where we can afford them outfits you was wearing. But I don't give a fuck how much money I got. get. I'm still in that shit from you, Nick. I don't get, because I know you don't need it. Yeah, this jacket was like 50. I know it didn't come out of your pocket. Let me get that motherfucker. I ain't never tell you, but what he gave me the jacket, the lady that worked with a sweet lady, lover, she's a nice lady. Always nice to me. Always, she goes. I love you so much. Man, that nigga gave me that jacket. She came around the corner like she was gray. See about me. Hey, what's up? What a jacket at? I'm like, what jacket? What jacket? What do you talk about? She was like,

Like, did Nick get you the jacket? Niggas, she walked me over there like a principal, you know, some custom louis shit. Yeah, like, did you say he can have this? He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I said he could have it. I was like, mm-hmm. Yeah, I can have a dead man.

This nigga Chuck, this nigga Chuck did the frisco shit on me. I, you know what I mean? This nigga Nick say, babe, he was going to give some shoes away. That nigga Chuck, I about to go get the shoes. He pulled me, hey, nigga. Hey, bro, how much of this shit you did got, nigga? Hey, for real, man, how much of this shit you had got, bro? Like, for real, bro.

To another nigga, he. Oh, the shoe. Niggas all right the same. Man, Chuck be calling you by shit like that. Chuck be calling me about crazy shit. No, he ain't called me. Man, a nigga asked me on a show how many bitches Nick gave me. I said, nigga, you giving this nigga too much credit.

Chuck called me and say, yo, what you say about Nick? I said, nigga, watch the rest of the clip. He called me back. You're like, all right. Nick, I ain't gave me no bitches. I got my own bitches now, Nick. Have that it. I don't want credit for having my own business.

Thank you. Clear that shit up. Don't be calling me, Chuck. I ain't never said nothing fucked up about Nick. That I wouldn't say in front of him. He'd know that. That's true. Come on, why is this taking so long?

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asking me about this thing he is here I'm happy to ask him about all this crazy shit I've been knowing Nick when he had two kids facts just jump but now I was asked her I seen a podcast where you was talking about the way the elevation of the game and they can go up and down a lot of people can you know you you started you say you looked at young but everybody swore you was a kid star but you've been in the game damn that 30 years niggins shit hilly you're talking about me that's a long time that's it stand-up 30 years I started doing stand-up was like 12, 11, 12 years old.

Yeah, you thought it was in the game. But I remember you saying that when you did Drumline, you was like, I only had $60,000 in my pocket when they called. You were like, shit. I might not even have that, because that's what they paid me to do Drumline. That's what they paid you to do Drumline.

But what you did from Drumline? I didn't really have, I mean, it was check to check. But at that time, Drumline was my biggest check. And I was six weeks. Speak on that living. Check to check in the industry, household name. Yeah. And motherfuckers know you, but you live in check to show.

I mean, that's just like everybody job. Like, I was doing, I was probably making more money doing stand-up than I was getting off of TV at that time, you know what I mean? Because, you know, early days of Nickelodeon, they wasn't paying. That's why I was writing, too. I was trying to write and do all of that because there was more checks there. I do the warm-up, show up, grab that $500. Like, I was just trying to hustle.

I was dancing on Soul Train for... Stop, man. Niggas swear, me and A-P-Py. Hey, I was about to say, Atheon Target. Bro, at the comedies club that I started and they got a picture of Aphion, I fuck with that nigga about every time I see him. With the your head?

Yeah, I'm talking about the alien Jones. I was like, pauletries. Bro, you ever work with that nigga that looked just like you? That nick, the other nigga, the, uh, that nigga that looked just like you, nigga. Oh, I know you're talking about, uh, and roll about. Now, the nigga.

Wesley? Nick, we were in robed out together. I'm saying on some other, on the other shit. That was the only shit y'all did. Yeah, I mean, that was my partner for shit. Like, we used to tell, we were brothers when we was coming up in auditions and shit like that. That nigga was, you're talking about Wesley Jonathan. Bro, I guess there's a name.

He had city guys. He had the show that used to come on Saturday mornings on NBC. So that nigga was popping. Yeah, yeah. So I was his little bro. So, like, that nigga was, you know, that nigga was in panties. You know, that nigga was in Panther. You know what I mean?

Like, that shit, like, he was in a classic film and all of that shit. So, we, I looked up to that nigga, and that's the, you know, it's one of them moves where when you out in Hollywood, like, I had a different gift because I was auditioning and doing music and shit. But stand-up was what I was known for. So I didn't even really have to audition a lot of that. I'd be like, yo, send the cast and directs, send the director to the improv that night and to the comedy store. And they'd be like, yo, this is all my fucking getting off. You know, and so I would skip over a lot of shit, but like, you know, like, I got, I mean, y'all had heard the stories, nigga.

Every young black kid in music and in Hollywood audition for drumline. Like, I had to go in that motherfucker about eight different times, and I never booked no shit off of, like, auditions before, so I'm like, I, you know, I was musical, so I knew how to move around, and, you know, luckily the director Charles Stone was so cold. That nigga directed drumline and paid him full, you know what I mean? And it was his first two movies, but before that, he was just a daughter. no music, you know, video commercial director. And he saw something in me, man.

And it's just like, out of thousands of niggas. Like, and you, I mean, people tell your story every year, you're here Silt the Shaka talking about it, T.I. Everybody, like, when I tell you. Silt the Shaka. Yeah, everybody, man, everybody auditioned for that shit. The niggins from TV shows, movies. Everybody was auditioning for that shit.

Silt the motherfucking shock in their time with him. Man, nobody wants to see no goddamn Silt the Shaka playing on Dural. That nigga, bro. Louisiana you know he grew up with instruments and drums and shit if if not drum line what would you say what was the moment for you was like oh shit I made it I really always I still don't feel like that I don't feel like that dead ass like I'm in all y'all niggins like I'm constantly hustling I know you we're talking about when the shit got different when the checks got different

well I could tell you like the biggest check but even then I don't want no big but even then when that shit would happen it be gone so quick. Why? This nigga stupid. Nah. I'm thinking it. The biggest chick down.

Oh, yeah. He said, I can tell you with the biggest chick. No, I don't want to get that shit. What the guy? Because if you're going to tell a bitch and shit, I'm like, God, damn. I know it's out there. But it's like, when did that shit change, though? Like, we all knew Wilden Out changed.

It helped change that shit. See, no, but you gotta remember what we are for y'all, but for me, while and I wasn't- For y'all. No, but Wiling Out wasn't a success when he first dropped up. first dropped out. I know. Like, again, they was excited about punk and all of that shit.

And I was just like, you know, we was just, we was doing well. But we were waiting, oh, they're gonna pick us up. Nicky. The Wiling Out season, the first season was six episodes. And we just wanted to get the season two, though, and then they gave us eight. You know, we thought we was on, eh? And then from there, it just slowly. So even then, like, Wildenau wasn't a success at first.

You look back and be like, shit, we've been doing this shit two decades, but even, drumline wasn't a success like that shit opened moderately it did well right but they didn't market it they didn't promote it they had no billboards barely like a commercial was only on beat t but the the culture fucked with it and turned it into the classic like so everything like i've never had that that where a whole system or a whole studio believes in you like like the shit when you see like with these actors today like shots out to bro uh michael b jr Jordan, you go, that niggas on buildings and, like, because, I mean, and it's dope, like, whether it's from Creed to Black Panther or, you know what I mean, like, there's

a different, there's certain people that a whole studio would get behind me, like, we want to turn this person into a movie star, we want to turn this person to a television star. You'll get, like, a Donald Glover and a whole network or get behind them and motherfuckers be at the Emmys and all that shit, like, that's because the system fucks with them. I'm outside the system. Everything I did, all my success I had to work for. Ain't nobody ever believe in me. And that's just the shit.

And that's why I believe in, niggas like, y'all, because I know that pain. I was like, where don't nobody support you, you feel like you out there by yourself. So now at least I know how to build my own shit. So let me teach niggas to game so they can build their own shit. So they don't have to have all of their self-esteem

built off of a system that never fucked with them in the first place. So you got that side. You got, you got. I fuck you got that side of it you got that side of it right that side that side that you're dealing with on the corporate side and the Hollywood side and then you got the other side of it the shit that niggas come up to us and be like man nick corny for real like make a real nigga you know what I mean you don't be with me no listen oh yeah all the way yeah time time yeah we stand in there like one more

time yeah all the way Nick can't get my nigga he ain't get it yeah all the way But we- Let's go talk, let's go fucking talk, men. Yeah, he's gonna right up behind me. Like, y'all was shooting some shit. Yeah, we was shooting in Times Square. But buddy was just, he was talking. You know what, but, uh,

like you deal with, you dealing with that on that side, but you've never said, Hey man, what the fuck y'all mean, I'm courting. I'm over here dealing with this shit. You bitch-ass niggas got me fucked up. Like, why haven't you felt the need to ever address that part? You address a lot of shit. You address some shit that you shouldn't address.

But you never. address that because that's it like because it don't bother me like that's like you know really like I I like when they call me corny nigger that's that's my motherfucking like decoy I'll take that all day like I don't I want you to underestimate I want you to think shit is sweet so because then now I got the upper hand whatever the situation we know you and we know that this shit is that that shit ain't even it ain't even it ain't even it don't even it don't even apply to the gangster shit we've been seen

and you doing like man these motherfuckers new it's beauty I don't blow my cover like I want to think I'm corny yes that is what it is because and then is markable I always say that corny is I've seen the nigg I seen the nigga do some shit that's it that's the shit like chicks really like corny motherfuckers if you they want you to make them laugh don't be on his giving relationship advice you don't get terrible you get terrible you get him terrible I'm asking them questions. I got the one, the one you giving terrible advice

on wearing bright orange hoodies and shit. That's why I'm wearing this show. That's why I'm wearing this shit. You started off the morning giving out bad advice. I don't know at first of all. I never gave a nigga advice ever in life. You did tell a nigga get a lawyer. You never liked what we were getting paid.

Y'all didn't get a lawyer and walk off. I'm like, okay. Exactly what that nigga told me. I got to get a lawyer. He didn't even walk off. The nigg said y'all niggas get a lawyer and went and laid at his bunk on the bus. You know, this niggas just go get in the bunk.

After telling that, you don't like to get back? All right, well, all right. Hey, y'all niggas wouldn't got lawyers. Can you see what the, um, yeah, but I don't give advice on camera, is what I'm saying. Right. You know what I mean? So what would you say it's hard and, okay, as a, as a man with many gifts, many talents, I understand, got to host him, you got the comedy, you got creative content, you got,

you got music, motherfucker. movies what would you say was the hardest to grab the hardest to achieve i know you're saying you still oh yeah i mean like i think the shit that would obviously we all know like the shit that's probably the most frustrating because the music game is not a real game it's not based off a talent so niggas game don't sit around and know i play seven instruments and make all the beats on wild and out there it's just like you got to have a story a trajectory i mean you go all y'all go through the same shit y'all go through the same shit y'all niggas is gifted but they want to hear about the nigga that was trapping or the nigga that just got out and it's

like like they don't see you that's how at work yeah so it's like which is cool because there's something to it because niggas like authentic they like real shit they like a nigga like that's why today the biggest d boy in the hood can become the biggest rapper in the world because oh this nigga is certified and they get respect in this field so all we got is put this nigga together with some rhyming words and a dope beat and he out of here right so So when a nigga who's not trying to do that, but can come up in the church and sit on the organ and sit on the drums and all of that stuff,

those usually don't be the dudes that succeed in that space. So we're still on the grind. And even like, I don't put, you know, multi-platinum artists on. I didn't build careers, but I'm never wanting to gloat to be like, oh, I wrote that song, or I did this, I just. But the music game is always going to be a challenge.

One, it's a young man's game. So to be able to stay current and really, and that, again, y'all niggas keep me hot. You know what I mean? The next generation of artists that I'm looking to find, the new show I got, future superstars. I'm finding teenagers. I'm finding it. And I learned that game from the Quincey Jones and the L.A. Reeds and all. And that shit been done.

Go find some old niggas who never got a chance. They're 12. I did that on America's Got Talent, make me. Oh, fuck that. I did that already. Them Susan Boyle was a shit like that. I remember. But if I'm not mistaken.

Where he'll be singing Sam Cooke. Yeah, hell yeah. One of them early seasons of Wile and out, you was bringing her around. Like, H-E-R- Her. Yeah, yeah. I remember. Little Gabby. Yeah, like, you was like, this is, you know, my new artist,

or somebody I'm working with at the time. And every time I see her, I'd be thinking I'm tripping. I'm like, I think that was the... That's right, yeah. I put her on Nickelodeon. I directed and produced a movie for Nickelodeon that had her in it soldier boy Justin Beaver shit like it was that I've always had a knack to to know who's gonna be next in the young young talent space so you

know it's it's one of those things where we continue in that vibe but I think now I'm probably stick my chest out a little bit more and be like yo I produce that record or I put that person on they side to do it a little bit more I never wanted to though because I always like to play the back music industry they know but then they be like if they know no use behind it They're like, oh, because in the music game is so many different platforms and so many different titles and jobs.

People be thinking, you got to be the motherfucker that's holding the mic scene. But no, I can put the shit to get up. And then sometimes it might be better that people don't know because they know you did it and just won't act like they don't like it just because they know you did it. You know what I mean?

Motherfucker, act like, oh, he did it. I don't even want to hear it now because I know I ain't going to like it. But if you don't have put your name on it, then a nigga. Yeah, that's why I had my, like, even when I used to produce records from Mori and shit, I didn't want people to know.

So I had an alien. Oh, shit. Put it out there, my boy. It was the heat miser. So it was like, how was I'm up? Man, all the names you could have came up. Like, what you know? You know the heat mic, so you're a young nigga.

You don't know the heat miser. Oh, he's about the flex on you. Yeah, but please. See, here you go. It was this old-ass show back in the day. The niggies used to get high to and watch the shit. It was like the black version of like, like, motherfucking Sesame Street and shit.

And these niggas, it was like, it was like HR puff and stuff and all that shit. Oh, no. And it was, it was, it was, it was the heat Miser if you remember then they also made the shit um the Christmas the the motherfucking Rudolph the red nose reindeer shit and there was like the niggins was ice cold and then it was the other nigger with the flame hair that niggins was the heat mizer I'm telling you niggins shit was fire so what the heat my own what's the hot

beat that the heat miser made from a riot care that shit that just went viral again um it's a rat well you know what you should have produced and i put i put mary j on them on the remix of that more if you would have produced that damn Christmas song oh and the guy was fucking 13 yeah exactly now that shit now now now we didn't made so many jokes over the years about all of the shit that you got going on because you're such a public person right I mean you can't I don't know why you you just said they don't nobody believe in you but somehow the universe just seems to always have you in front of some shit I got got my back

the universe finds a way to put you in front of the world and everything you say and do is right there for to be consumed by the public so why do you choose to like as we've known you you've grown it to me at least in my eyes you started to like let people in the shit that you used to that you had to be in this space to be able to see now you just giving quotes about shit and I'm like ain't no way that nigger said that I loud man but what is that good that does that come from just fatigue of giving a fuck I mean I think I always just been the same thing you like it just I think like you said if the spotlight is on me I'm all I'm gonna keep it a stack you ask me a question I'm my answer it to the best of my ability and truthfully no you're gonna be trolling sometimes though yeah now yeah that's what I'm saying now like because it's like I'm in this business when I'm building brands and shit like that I know if I say a certain shit it's gonna go viral I say

you know you gotta manipulate the media before the media manipulate you know what I mean so you gotta know how to maneuver in these spaces and also I gotta be the frontrunner in a lot of this shit right so sometimes I gotta step out there and say some shit that other things are scared to say or or feel like yo whatever consequences come with it I can handle it you know what I mean where another motherfucker might say some shit in their career be gone right so you know it's really about you know truly living that freedom of speech shit especially when they know your core is this centered where you're coming from an authentic place you coming from a place where you just really want to see people shine and see people win speaking uh speaking of media

manipulation and you know we never talked about this or whatever when all that shit went down and you know what i'm saying and we was fired Things was fire. We was fires. It's your fucking fault. We was fires. I ain't got, I ain't going to tip to around it. You were fucking it, Rick.

During the pandemic. I don't talk about it, god damn it. He definitely didn't fuck it up. You fucked it up, Nick. How did you feel when, because nobody was, I ain't never got off for no money? It was an interview and they asked me. Right, right. If you, if they wanted to, if they wanted to replace me,

how much money was it going to take for you to get on the show and I'm like I ain't taking shit the breakfast club yeah I ain't taking shit I don't I never told you on camera Nick I love you for that too that's really shit I didn't want to I didn't know I would have took the money yeah we know you know that I would have left your name on the shit Nick Cannon presents Carlos Miller presenting the shit that he presented ha ha ha ha that's thinking him you know I wouldn't took the money no we But when that shit popped up, because you're still a regular nigger outside of all the shit that you're accomplished because we do so much. We ain't got emotion.

And we ain't got feelings. So when that shit popped up and you heard my respond, what was your initial reaction when you were like, God damn. I loved you for that shit. But also, because that was at a time, I had told them, niggas, I wasn't coming back. Like, like, it's funny because a lot of, okay, if you remember how it actually played out. Oh, I remember them, I'm out at the house. I'd never watch Father of the house. They got mad and, you know, they said, you know, and I had been in this situation before with NBC and everything to where the people that the higher ups said, we have to teach you a lesson.

Right. And literally, they're, behind closed doors, they said, we have to make an example out of him because, you know, other people in in our space and are they was. was talking reckless. Right, yeah. And it got back to me. I was like, they want to make an example out of me. Like, what is that supposed to me? Like if that ain't the most offensive

and buck-breaking slave master shit, if I ever, you're gonna hang me out in front of all the niggas and make an example out of me? And so, you know, then you gotta start backtracking. And so then they offered it back. offered it back to me immediately. Like, yo, how can we figure it out? And there was a lot of amazing people that, you know, that I worked with for years. That's what I said, you can't ever even blame an individual when you're talking about corporations. Because there's boards,

they're shareholders. You know what I mean? There's people that been putting money into it for a long time. And the majority of the people understood, you know, yo, Nick's family. He's been at this company since he was a teenager. But there's some people that literally is like, we got to make an example out of him. So by the time we got there, I was like, fuck that brand. Fuck that. Matter of fact, this is my brand. I've owned it for the majority of the time.

And I want this, I want that. We did the evaluations. We knew how many billions it was where we were like, we was ready to go to war. And I was like, if I never step foot back on that motherfucking stage again, I don't care. I was done with Wildenheim. Like, because I was just like, one,

I had a whole I had I'm getting more money at other networks was Fox had my back solid you know how I mean like I so it was like I'm good and like I was cool like you know I walked away from NBC I walked away from millions a couple years earlier than that and then doubled up and got the number one show on Fox believing in myself so I was like I'm gonna just do that shit again and like I I was like, so whatever they want. And then when I heard job, we did an interview, a couple other people and shit,

I was like, damn, it's a lot more people that love this brand and eating off this brand and provide for their families with this brand. So I was like, I'll come back and do it for them. I come back. We said that live. It was unity, that's not coming back and doing that shit without that, me.

Wish another nigga wish I wish I would have did, Jason DeRulo presents. I put that thing in the back in the head. Got that motherfuckin' de Rulo presents. Wiling out. No, hell not. They remember they had the means of Ryan Seacrest present.

Yeah, Brian Sechreis and that was so crazy how they ASAP put that out and they were like, let's just try to put a white face on it to see how they were at. We were like, what? Nah, but, niggie. We're going to beat the nigga who created it up. You tripped. Nah, but that's, I mean, that's what it was.

I saw so many others. You know how many families we provide for a while now? You know what I mean? I know one in particular. Oh. Mine, motherfucker. But that's what I'm saying. So it's like I came back because I wanted to do it for everybody else.

And even now, that's why we, you know, trying to give other people. That funny thing, what you say, like, behind closed doors and the business meetings and stuff, because as you see, there's a lot of stuff going on, or merger. and this company buying this company and this. So I know how much value Wile and Out has. I know the digital numbers. I know the ticket sales when we're doing the

Live Nation tours. So and a lot of times they try to keep us in the dark. They don't want you to know your value. So I know the value. So I'm like, yo, Wiling Out should be his own network. We've produced enough content and enough stars. We're going towards 500 episodes. So just

based off of that alone, You know how much value just in that IP alone? Like you said, look what Friends is worth. Look what Seinfeld is worth. This ain't got half the amount of episodes we got. You know what I mean? Everything that you think is a success, look at what we've done over the years, look at all the millionaires we then made and produced.

So when you know the value of something, even when they try to act like it ain't value, oh, we don't know, oh, we're gonna move you, Are we going to move you to this network? Ah, you can play the games if you want to, give it back. Watch what I do with it. And that's where they don't want us to know how much power is in it, but the power is in us.

That's why when y'all, with y'all, with 85-7, it's like, keep going. Because you quietly showing them bigger studios and networks that you don't need them. That your fans going to come with you wherever you go. It's great to see y'all on TV, but they also are going to follow you. you over here and they're gonna make they gonna come see you in a city they're gonna wear your merch and that's the stuff that's that's that's magic in a bottle you can't get that every day after me a lot of responsibility though yeah i think that's the part that people don't talk about like because i know like in the space of wild and out we didn't been we didn't been through

trans you didn't been nick cannon the whole time but we didn't debate need ain't nobody know who chico bean was in season five or you know like carlos miller to where we who we are now you know i'm saying so i've seen when the environment be a certain way and then you walk in the room and everybody's change everybody started doing something different right how do you navigate that because when you had that type of power when you walk in the room and everybody was doing what they maybe wanted to be doing and then you walk in and they start doing some other shit in front of you how do you know who's there how do you navigate people in that regard because you've been seeing them since the jit i mean it's one of them things

man you gotta it's chest you gotta let they're gonna expose themselves they're gonna move how they want to move and some people gonna show you how solid they are and you just gravitate towards that you know what I mean like it's everybody is putting on their best representative and ultimately you come across a nigga like this who no matter what room he and he gonna always be the same thing even when it's inappropriate This they could be cussing out the motherfucking cameraman and the tech. But they love me. They want to hear this shit.

Yeah, but then there's a who, where we all thinking the same thing, but I play the game a little bit more. I know how to, I'm a strategically tell you the same shit he telling you, but I'm going to do it in a way to where you feel like it's at least politically correct. And then at the same time, now I'm at a stage where I ain't even got to say shit. like you saying see like now my presence speaks for itself right so when I walk in the room you my the aura is gonna make you either straighten up or have to back off because it's like oh yeah he probably really don't fuck with me because I'm on some bullshit and he could sense it so like that's like spiritually that's where I've been trying to you know get to to where now I ain't even got to say shit I just walk in

the room and people know it is yeah can we sit the record straight man right here Oh, motherfucker, I can't be that high. He's scared of weed. Yeah, I'm scared of weed. Yeah, I'll be too high sometimes. Said the regular scrape, right here, right now, face and face of the motherfucking world, man. Because I'm sick of this shit.

I'm tired of answering the goddamn question. You did not fire Carlos. Not, gill me tell you all right, tell the truth? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Tell us. Because, before you answer, before you answer, before you answer,

I speak from there. I've never. been fired right but we have been done in the way to where it's like damn like what has a nigger been doing on these scripts like I'm not a nigger I'm not the truth I want to know the truth no I'm not the nigga you know my person I'm not the nigga to be like nigger run a tape back me fucked up but they put you in a position where it's like nigg is that what I get do I got to show up and be the nigger that I can be and be ignorant to make a motherfucker realize it or do I

just have to say my feelings hurt because when you know that you put this shit down in a certain way and a motherfucker just be like yeah well we'll see we'll see what and we be like niggins because you remember when loz was gone we both had conversations like nigg this shit feels strange me hey we came too niggins you like brun nod like whatever we got to do to get this nigger back here because the environment ain't the same like who do that who do that Who the fuck is the person or the people that be like, fuck us like that? Man, I told y'all for the game, I'm glad y'all even already laid it out there because y'all already talked about the origin in this conversation already.

When we was on that motherfucking tour bus, and I told y'all digger is go get lawyers. That's exactly where that shit starts. Don't let nobody tell you anything different. This whole motherfucking world is ran by attorneys. Like, go, y'all go home and watch the motherfucking devil's advocate. Are y'all already at home? Watch that shit with Al Pacino O'Kihanna. Like, when you, the people who are speaking at legalese and talking that shit,

they're the ones that run all of this shit. And if you got a good, solid lawyer rocking with you, that ain't in the pockets of the other motherfuckers. Because even your lawyers can be playing both sides. Because they've been cool with the corporate lawyers and all of them people since back in law school and they all under the same entity so they all got the same

oaths and beliefs and all of that shit so that's the groundwork so I'm gonna tell y'all what I have to do with every single season every single season they tell me I gotta cut the budget and I figure out how the ways to maneuver it because again they don't want a nigga to know

his value even though our shit steady rising they're gonna try to find something they're gonna tell me well you know your 3 a.m. shows aren't really rating as much as well. You don't need to fuck about that. We know what the numbers is doing online. So again, we let them give

it, they give us a number. And again, you know, motherfuckers' jobs to keep telling you a lower number. So, and that's every season. So the goal is they always want to seem like they got more power and there's, like I said, there's a lot of people who ain't there no more who were in positions

of power that would say stuff that like everybody's replaceable. You know what I mean? Like, And just, you're like, all right, well, that ain't the brand I'm rocking with. Right. But I understand what you're saying because of what we've built, you know, nobody's bigger than a brand. Right.

You know, we're really trying to get to it. So, as this loud, outspoken motherfucker has always been from day one. Somebody ends up. He probably said, I don't even know. Like, again, I don't know, but, you know, he didn't have too many friends in higher places to say. But he looked like somebody that was, as they considered, a troublemaker and y'all remember there's been incidents where people would get

not i'm not just saying you but there would be certain we'd have to have conversations with hr because we might have said something about a certain community or we might have said something a joke or something that made someone uncomfortable and they went and complained about the again smoking or whatever it's always if you get just like at any job somebody wrote writes you up too many times now you won't notice they pay attention and you get the you get the jacket of a rival rouser or troublemaker that's just and you know we all been there but he was probably one of the more louder ones so when he came up and again man we're gonna keep it a stack keep his thing when everybody at no

point that anybody say we don't want Carlos we don't want to be we all have representation And when the way it got back to me and a couple of other executives is, you know, when it's time to renegotiate with your deal, Carlos be rightly so. It's like, Carlos don't want that deal. Carlos won't more money. Carlos wants it like, as his represent, all of our representatives have shown us. And even based off as we sit here right now, they value all of us differently. And I'm the only one. I get to see everything. But, you know, even at the time, they get, he got hold. than deals. He's doing other shows. He's doing MTV movies. So they value DC differently. So they'll say, well, as long as we got D.C., we're good. And like, but, you know, we all want to be good. And then it's like, so then I got, I get put in a weird position. I'm like, but I don't, I don't do the bullshit. It's like, I want everybody back. Even then niggas Carlos don't like. I want everybody. Because I, that's, I know my budget is larger. And I can move it around. I can get niggas more episodes. souls because if I say I because like right now our cast members they try to get me down the

six on six and with a with the team captain so it's really including myself is seven on seven y'all remember there's been seasons of it been 13 on 13 because I was like I want to make I can maneuver it around as much as I want to right so when they were like all right well we're going to send everybody's deals out and we're going to see who comes back you know this shit even happened this season when you guys don't come talking back the way they like it they said oh he doesn't want to do it anymore and that's how it got there's like Carlos isn't signing his deal and i'm like and i'm in the same position y'all niggins i almost didn't come down to this motherfucker until they got my money right so as much as i'm

holding down and be like but they do me the same way and i got a i got a hold tight stand on my square and be like nah i ain't coming until you get till and i feed them i know what everybody I know the value so in those situations when again you got struck the people demand we knew we wanted those back but when the people and y'all remember when it came back and we was all standing outside by the trailers you're like yeah you know i don't know why nick didn't want you motherfucker come over here and say that shit that you know how it is like that ain't that's never how it's why i'm gonna tell everybody Nick cried when I came back, y'all. He cried when I came back. He cried when I came back. No, fuck the episode. It was before the camera came on.

Yeah, the nigga hid in my dressing room. Yeah. Nick, he cried. He ain't one of the bad. But that was one of the funnest episode ever. That was one of the... Because when he came out, this is probably the only time we've done this, as I know for speaking from our perspective,

perspective because that's the thing that from my from my vantage point that always makes me say what damn what is the you know what is the the credit come in for the type of people that we are in the environment and understanding it was necessary because if we wanted to we could just go out there and just I'm talking about berate motherfuckers and and wouldn't be nothing nobody could do you know I'm saying like literally it wouldn't be nothing they could be done and but we understand the structure of the this is a team sport so We understand it, it's like, man, we got to make everybody look good.

Hey, bro, don't do this. Don't do that. Do this, do that. But that day when that nigga came back, we was like, nigga, get the fuck out the way. Move! If you don't do this shit at the highest level, sit down and watch, nigga. Right.

That was it. That same episode, y'all got out of my little brother. Of the shoes, yeah. That nigga's famous in the hood. All the way. That boy, that day, boy. They designed them Astro boots after that, nigga. He was the only one that had the heart to step up and do something.

Everybody else was like, frat, ah, is the, because that's the part of it that's mean the most of us. It's like, that shit, like, nigga, that's the part where we be like, man, what is y'all, how do y'all not understand that this is? Because we entertain each other when I see them go up, I'd be like, what did he hear the nigga feel to say, man? When he go up, I be like, I know that nigga Chico got so clever to say it. When I go up, I look at them, I get confirmation, they'd be like, niggas, I'm gonna fuck what you do. I'm like, damn, but y'all are living example of solid. Like, even all the shit we're talking about,

you ain't never seen no niggas root for each other like y'all root for each other. Like, also like, damn there's some rat pack type shit and even them niggas broke up. You know what I mean? Like, y'all niggas really wanna see each other win and understand y'all let y'all go all over this fucking world, every city, state, and just vibe off of each other.

Name another. Nick of the kings of comedy, they didn't fuck with each other. Exactly. Like, those niggas was beefing backstage. Y'all niggas really fuck with each other, man. And the world has watched you get it out the mud

and still keep it in the trap and still show loyalty and love. Like, I ain't that, even, nigga, niggas who done, from D-boys to rappers, all the niggas break up. I'm saying, all niggas can't never break up, because y'all are on some shit where you literally are in front of the world a living example of what solid shit look like right that's right now 85 south that shit is about

unity y'all niggins turn the whole fucking interstate into a gang it's a community unity yeah i mean but like i said like the same way you say we fuck with each other i can say genuinely bro we fuck with you like like like we fuck with you like niggas is like i'm pretty much i'm pretty niggas is like like we really love you slim like if you if we never did another episode of wild and out like the fact that you was willing to stand next to that shit is the most a day long like niggins that long that's shit that's done while he is and stood next to us and say i niggins when you have morale we was telling all the members sit y'all last down Yeah, y'all ain't going to go.

We got to work in the morning, big. Yeah. Yeah, my last, my last day to mine, niggins said, I ain't, fuck it. You know, be there. I'll be there. I'll be there together. I'll be there together. We can do it.

You can stay in more days? Yeah, niggum. All right, niggum, come back. Y'all three got to be together. Please. I mean, I would you tell the network that. Yeah, but. You say that now, we're going to get it in the bottom.

So now. Now, I understand. Let's keep it back though. I understand. I got to pay for that but I want to see that work you got a lot of money and that's what I'm saying I just invited the nigger to be on the episode what that means we're going to have to charge you a lot more because we know you got more you can spend I don't know that that thing right there I mean I have so much money I got to ask you this and we do

got a good we'll be in here if nigger forever but like I'm a big big like proponent of what you said about the freedom of you know being able to say what you want and manipulating the media before you like before they get you before they get you but like loz always say shit to me like all the time he said man i wish chico i would go on shit and say ridiculous shit like you'd be saying niggi you know how much shit you avoiding by saying the shit you say out loud but for you nigger you take it to another level like i got on the breakfast club and said i don't never want to be married to be in a relationship and i'd have been saying this shit for years right right when i said it on the breakfast club

nigga you should have seen the comments and I'm talking about it was crazy nigger you be saying shit that I'd be like bro this is beyond honesty like this nigga got to be fucking with somebody like what is you as best as you can explain before we roll what is your perspective on relationships with women oh shit we're gonna be here we that's another episode I got to come back well I'm talking about talking about leading to the next episode it's energy man at the end of the day whatever makes you happy I I, that's what I offer, you know what I mean?

And luckily, and God has aligned me and blessed me to be able to do whatever I want to do, however I want to do it, it came about, tell me nothing. So when it comes to love, I offer, I'm 100% from the gate. I can say, yo, I can elevate you. I could take you to places you ain't ever been before, but you gotta trust me. And it's gonna be a different level of freedom,

like to where I'm so confident in who I am, and hopefully the woman I'm dealing with is so confident who she is that we can operate on some new shit and we don't got to get stuck in these old school traditional colonialism type of scenarios. So I'm like, look, you move how you want to move, I move how I want to move,

but I'm going to be offering so much I'm going to be so much of a protector and a provider that you ain't going to miss a step. And then so from there, you don't everybody, everybody don't go for the shit. Right, right. You know, but I got to take those sacrifices and pretty much like all right, we built, we had time on

on this planet at a certain frequency where we was bobbing but you want different things out of life the women who want the white picket fences and you know the the monogamy they're amazing women for a certain type of naked right i want somebody who want more than that i don't want somebody who is who wants ownership i want somebody who can grow and build some shit together I've been seeing this shit for years. I've been seeing this shit for years. And your jury looking like they start to believe it. They're called to be crazy. No, this is not, ain't got nothing to do with that, that's a bill. But like to hear you say that at the level that you're at, it's like, you know what I mean, okay, there is a level you can get to as a man and not be restricted. My granddaddy was like his granddaddy.

Like it was. She's running our family. But it, but I say this to say it's not. a scenario to where is i mean as carlos would say pimping and giving them game it's actually real life shit right like is my culture that's the game but when you when i say you can be happy just how you play it here here you go you can be happier over here right you know what I mean that's pimping proper information motivates people hey positive images making moves Mike making power moves yeah you see what but you know we're gonna get into we're we're going to get into

all the all the children and all that's your perspective part two we'll say that for the ladies and all that the next time the next time man we know everybody say some wrong shit you know we know we're straight we're gonna let you say nothing crazy we know you're extremely busy we appreciate you stopping through here and fucking with this man a lot we're tearing deep in there go on me and got a hundred more we can't 85 a psych let's get a It's right quick. We went out. Ow.

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