The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - Paul Wall in the Trap!

Episode Date: October 15, 2022

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Boy, ya, y'all, y'all, y'all was, like, caught the, like, you said that barely internet, so it's a lot of them, like, mixtapes and songs and shit that just got lost, man. You ever hear some of your shit and be like, him, like, when we do this? Man, all the time. All the time, because shit, you do it and forget about it. Yeah, because y'all was dropping the ball, you though, like, bigstakes, like 40 songs on those shit at that point. And we, man, the shit that I really beat them forgot about the shit I did for, because

We always dropping mixtapes. J-O-N, yeah, turn it, like jumping on people's shit, and shit like that. So it's like, it's a couple, like, slim-thulled up freestyles I had jumped on. They were hard as fuck, but I don't remember him because it was on his tapes that he was hustling, and I'm hustling my tapes.

But then you'll hear and be like, man, when the fuck did I do that? Like, damn, that shit, that shit were hard. Shit, we need to pull some of these out. But that's how much motherfuckuckers got in if it's really in you. Yeah. That shit ain't never gonna stop. Yeah, that's an always a goal,

to outdo yourself and outdo everybody else. How long would you say y'all was grinding underground before you saw any mainstreams, he said? Oh, I could tell you that. My first switch house mixtape I ever wrapped on was in 99. And we had our first song on the radio in 2001. So from there, it was two years of non-stop, non-stop. I'm talking about every single day grinding, going to see this city, putting out new mixtakes every week. Every week. Shit, we're doing new shit.

Every week. And then even... Old mixtape. And then when we had our song on the radio, it was straight underground. And if it wouldn't have been for Greg Street, man, we would never got on the radio. Word? Yeah, man, shit. Okay, it's time to switch up to the PEPF.

Yeah, legend in multiple states. Hey, man, man, side to my boy, man. It's time to go ahead and get into it. Yeah, yeah. Play me some Pemper, man. Yeah, man. You know, we got our own select grant of Pimpin that we play over here at the 85 South show when we're about to go get him working on.

And then Paul Wall came. So you know, Jay O'Wing. Dale Wend been in his goddamn Paul Wall dirty South bag this week. Let's go. He always cook up some extra special before I get it. You see? Why you keep teasing the shit? You ain't looping?

Man, don't let your shit tell why Paul Wall here. This could be your chance. Come on, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, man, I've been trying to get down, you know, I manage him on the side. He's my only artist. I fuck with him because he was talking. I put a lot of pressure on you.

Yeah, I'm my only artist. I'm fucking with him because they don't say nothing. Get your ass back in the lab. Hey! Play the goddamn music! I know you ain't talking in this morning. When you get so talking, I'm fine, because you're talking.

I do the talking. If you talk, what the fuck I'm gonna do? So we just think we have no pimping why Paul Wall here. You think you ain't gonna leave here I think we're just a fucking miscarriage. You gotta buy it some time. You got to buy some time. Oh man, play the ukulele or something.

Get the goddamn ukulele out. There you go. At least we got something. Yeah. There ain't go. Okay. This is the one I'm thinking about putting you on too, Paul. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Because I still had a little PPP loan money left on. Yeah. I'm trying to go legit. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Pay it money.

Yeah. They're coming. They're looking for it. They're looking for it. You're telling me like the tax lady ain't coming to my house this morning. They were hiring people to work on people PPP loan. I said, I'm just going to work for them

so I can go ahead and get my shit out of the way. Work it off. You're going to go work it off, yeah. You find out who working on your loan and go find, hey, say, man, look. Since we've got the pimping in the rotation, you're going to play the other one or you're going to just ride this one? This is the, this is, okay.

This is the son. Substitute pimping. Feeling like when the real pimper didn't do that. Hello, class. I'm substitute pimper. I'll be your substitute pimp today since your real pimp can be there. Oh, it's misbehaved. I don't even have the car roll all you bitches better be where you're supposed to be.

You know what you're supposed to do. You know what you're supposed to. Roll call. Attendance. I wonder if there was ever a pimp that was too nice. There's plenty. There's plenty. They didn't, when they weren't bills long.

Can you please give me my money? Call me a host. Stop saying my real name. Come on. Bro, you fired today, bro. He used to play snippets. I don't know what the fuck is going on. I got nervous.

Yeah, man? You can give me with your girls, man. Man, hands and shit all sweating. Wondering why the computer fucking up won't even give me enough planning to do the intro. I was about to tell them who we got in with us today. Because you know, we've been deep in our ghetto legends back. I had to make phone phone calls, sit in three Zoom emails,

get called back, sent a text, then DM somebody on Instagram, just for them to tell me to check my DM on Twitter, had to log back into Facebook, go to my own email, charge my own phone, then she called the number that they sent via MSCN messages.

Somebody had to walk past me with a Blackberry and give me the real number. That's how deep we went for this. We've been working on it. We've been working on it. Everything ain't as easy as it looked. They think we know everybody. I saw him at the hip hop world.

I said, hey, man, you got to come to this show. People think we know everybody. But I had to call around, get hit back, to send a few text messages. Well, I almost got shot when I ran up on. He had to do it with him. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, hold on.

He said, whoa, whoa. I said, oh, I want you to do the show. What show? Oh. What show you talked about? It's live. He was like, all right, man. But you know, we get some ghetto ledgers through here sometimes.

It's fun. And today is no exception. Now, have you ever been to the South? Dirty South, the Third Coast, specifically Houston, Texas. Hello. And you ever seen somebody riding by in one of them slabs? With swanglers on it. With the swingers on it.

With the big swangers. And the voids. Pop Trump. May I have a fifth wheel. Four, five cups, fifth wheel, and talking shit. When you pop Trump, these holes can't stand me. Yep. Shitty like a diaper.

All kind of little catchphrase with the neon light. Come on, man. This is the same man that told you get your mind correct. Come on. This nigga fell in love with his money. Come on. Yeah. Come on, man.

Everything you get it. Automobile wax, guess what he putting on there? Big swing is involved. Yep, over. He the same motherfucker that came by and told everybody. Try slow. Yeah. Hey, Eddie Fon parking out.

Come on, man. He was on swingers then. He then popped up on most of your favorite albums, some of the coldest features. He the same motherfucker that put the whole hip-hop game with diamonds and platinum and rubies and all types. Your grill ain't shit if Paul Walden had something to do with him. I thought I had went around him and got my shit made, but he had something to do with that too. Yeah. I hit Johnny.

I hit Johnny, he was like, let me call Paul. Oh, man, this is what I mean, you? Shout out Johnny, what's up, baby? Man, you see who it is, me. Come on, man. One of the coldest in the rap game, man. One other thing. Come on, sir, Paul Wall.

What did it do? Yeah. Thank y'all for having me, man. Thank y'all for having me. Now, usually we get all the music at the way before we get started. But I saved one. Okay. I say one song.

This the one, you know how you be like, man, I'm with this the one on the plate. Yeah. J-O-N. I know you just got the pimper fix. But could you please one time for everybody watching this show all across the world play big swingers? Just one, just one time. Okay. Just one time.

Because this song, if you listen to the verses, they was prophesizing in this shit. Camillion that said, you can find me in the truck that round. And the truck that rhymes with rent me, that starts with a beat. Yeah. They ain't had them. Yeah. Right. They ain't had them.

It was 15 years later before they even start thinking about making a truck. Yeah. I think that's where they got a lot of their engineering ideas from. They could have took care of what's, you know what's about something. A discount or something. A discount on the mullinner packages. I don't know something. Now see, I wanted to-

Because something feet. Yeah. I wanted to hold that song. Because for me, this is where it all started that. Yeah. Get your mind correct. You're one of the coldest duos to ever come up out the South. So cold, even Pimsy himself said,

Hey, get off the Boo Boo Man. Yeah, yeah. Legendary moments in hip hop, and you find yourself being right there around all of this shit. When did you start fucking with rap music, Paul, whoa? Who was your introduction? Well, definitely my introduction. Definitely my introduction was the screw tapes.

You know, right when DJ Screw was making his mixtapes in the early 90s, you know, that was my introduction. I was born in 81. So there was all type of hip hop we would see on TV. Mostly on TV, it's mostly was East Coast music that we see mostly on the radio. We'd mostly hear West Coast music because it was programmed from, you know,

wherever their mother station was on the West Coast, something. And you know, on the mixtapes, That's where we would hear, like, local music or Texas music or Southern music. You'd hear East Coast music on the screw tapes, too. You'd hear West Coast music. We used to hear above the law, all type of, you know, all type of biggie, other stuff, you know, that you would just jam on the screwtakes. But that's really where we would hear Southern artists and Texas artists.

So that's where I feel in love with everything they're talking about. You know, when I would hear artists from New York, I'm a little kid, I hear them talking. I don't know what they're talking about. They slang different than our slang. What they call police, what they call shoes, what they call, call all that is different than what we call it. You know, what they call their neighborhood or they block or whatever is different than what we call our blacks, neighborhoods, all that kind of stuff. Same with the West Coast. You know, we had a little similarities a little bit, you know, but it was like, man, the only place where I heard people speak of my language was on the screw tape.

And they talking to me in the language, same language we talk, you know, everyday language. And they talk about neighborhoods and streets that I know, that we can go drive down right now or, you know, they're shouting out people that I might not know them, but they're like street legends or somebody that you see, you know, I'm a little kid, so I wouldn't know him, but it'd be like, oh, that's what they're talking about right there, yeah.

You know, so you're hearing real people, real life things, real stories on the music that's validated. You can verify. I don't think he know what song I'm talking about. I told you he wasn't outside. Hold on, man. He ain't from the dirty south. He's from the northern part.

Where he ain't from? He's from Tennessee, man. They probably ain't get to enjoy this shit like we did. He don't even know. He doesn't even fuck with Texas, though. I feel like. Here, right? When she's done on my lap, I'm pulling a string

out of crack and neck my back. Come on. Okay. Come on. Right there. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You have to put them up sometimes.

Yeah, man. That big swangers and vows and love them more money. Yeah. And then, you know, we spelled it funny too, the end. And, you know, we, we spend it all the way crazy. You got to play the regular version of this chapter's group. We'll be here for 15 minutes, listen. Yeah, shout out the comedian there.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, I'm trying to let the music play before we even get to this part, because this is a critical part, right? Yeah. Because, you know, I fuck with the cars, heavy. You hear this literally at every car event, parking lot. It's just one of them good ones to ride to, man. Can we get the regular version?

He don't listen, nils. But what, man, since he got this track with a little, uh, what's your call it? Yeah. I don't grab it on nobody to know. Taking over the street, what's it called? There it go. This is a down-south anthem. Like, this song ain't never going to one.

Right? Yeah, man. Take it back on that one. What was the year? O-1, I think. Get your mind correct, came out in 2002, but we put this out in 01. Because, you know, we put it out early

to promote the album or whatever, everything. Matter of fact, this first, we made it first, and it came out originally on O.G. Ron C. album, Southern's Finest. Came out on there first. Shout out to O.G. Ron C., man. Chop stars, all that shit. I'm gonna screw head. Yeah. Amen. Like, yeah. Everybody can't appreciate it, but those that do. My fist on top of your wood. My fist on top of your wood. Say you went after my change. I don't believe.

If a skis, I think me feed her with my bees. You know what? Cooba don't want you. But I love you. That's sweet, but I'd rather be sitting on the last feet with leather up under my ass cheek. It ain't like I changed overnight. I've been acting the ass in last week. That ass peeked like an athlete that attract me.

Send them last week in a Jagger Jeep. But they ain't even made them yet because they didn't make Jack G Ziva. That's twice that you left aside the equation, man. Two different separate car companies. Yeah. Shit. I'd rather be shining. We got two checks coming.

I ain't doing shit to like give me the palm wall designed vehicle, man. What they do? Yeah. Yeah, we got to come with some shit. Yeah, man. Yeah, that was, y'all was really ahead of the carry room on that one. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Propheising. Talk that shit that too. That'd be this shit too. You know, they come with a concept, and they don't come out for eight years. They'd be like, hey, you know, they're making it. They're working on the truck. Yeah.

But shit. Right. I will, fuck it. I'm going to put it in my verse. I said that one time, I said that one time I'm watching Rush Hour 3. But this was when Rush Hour 2 barely came out. Shit, Rush hour 3 ain't come up for eight more years, shit. Could be futuristic, man.

I had to predict it, though, because you don't want to date yourself. Shit, you say, I'm rushing Rush Hour. Like, oh man, this shit came out a long time ago. Shit, so, fuck I'm watching Rush Hour 3. Yeah. Yeah. Bringing brothers inquired to how my trunk turn flip like an acrobat. I act a rat because I'm from the gutter.

Your girl stutter when I pulled up next to you. You've been with a girl six months. Paul Wall be the reason she won't get sex to me. Okay. Because the German company made my remember. I'm about to induce a baby Benz. Well, you knew some shit on that one. My man.

Just had a baby. This nix said he's going to induce a baby Benz. That means you make it, me, boy. We got to induce. Big body going in the label, man. Shit. Stuck at the exit route. Who's that thing?

Man, this motherfucker goes so crazy. Shout out of the Manhattan. Cat, what to do? Come on, man. Alright, now we can get back to work. Yeah. I just had to play that shit. Yeah, sir.

Football wall, man. You know, I had to drink some Saragwa did it. Yeah, okay. Play that shit. You know, I got a list. Okay. Get old accomplishments and shit like that. Yeah.

As long as you know how much I feel. fuck with that one. Yo. Slatting the Impala or some shit on a good Saturday morning. Yeah. Fresh as hell. Old school. You know what I'm saying?

A little backwood smoke residue all around now. We don't even black blood spray no more. Once the police told me they smell some weed in the converter, I was like, I'm through train. Yeah. Man, that spray though, they don't do no, but make it stick. You just got to let that window down and let the air out. All your head would be smelling like something you ain't supposed to smell like pineapples.

Yeah. like sour out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck is the baby? All I smell is baby powder then.

You got some babies in the Trump. He's human trafficking. He's human trafficking. So we just played in love with my money, man. Tell me how that track came about. Man, me and comedian there was a duo rapping with the Swisher House. Freestyleing on mixtapes, on everybody mixtapes. We never put our album out.

We never had a song on the radio yet. But we just was live on the underground. And, you know, Ron C. was working on his album, and he put his album out with Matt Hatter and Big Cat, a label called Paid and Fool. And we ended up signing with Matt Hatter and Big Cat, too, with Payton and Fool. Matter of fact, Ron C, he had, man, a lot to do with my career for him to jump, man. Shit, I met him when I was, like, 13, 14, I went to church with his mama. You know, me and his sisters, his mama, man, his grandma, we all, you know, I knew them for a long. He's his cousin the one who gave me the name, Paul Wall.

Word. Yeah, so, man, big shout. Oh, Ron C. taught me out to DJ when I was DJing. Shit, big shout out to OG Ronnie C. But he's working on his album, and he ended up bringing us over there, too, to get signed with Payton Full. And, of course, he's like, yeah, I need a single for me for my album. So, you know, a song for you for my album.

So we're like, okay, you know, we put together the song. We're like, okay, we're going to maybe use this for our album, too, whatever. So we use it on both. And it ended up being the one. Shit, it ended up being the one. But we, when we did it, we ain't think that, because we picked a super slow beat. The tempo real slow.

The hook, like 16 bars instead of 8 bars. The verses is like two verses. Yeah, yeah. Even back then, it was 316s. So we had two verses, and we remember people saying, oh, they can't play this on the radio because it's not three verses, it's only two verses. Or the song too long or all this.

And we like, we didn't care, we ain't make it for the radio. We made it. We wanted to make what we want to make. But shit, it ended up working out. Like I say, man, that boy, Greg Street was down here. It was a few people like Mel to Mac and Dallas was playing at Big Bank. A few people here and there. But when Greg Street came, he moved back from Atlanta back to Dallas.

And he went somewhere like a high school somewhere and they played and they went crazy. They turned up. He was like, what is this? Why they ain't playing this on the radio? And he just came back to the radio. He made a call like that, say, man, play this right now. And then just like that, our life changed. You know, it had been a few life-changing moments,

but, like, you know, shit, when Greg Street, man, when he made that big homie call, and he ain't, we ain't know him. I never met him. He didn't do this. Like, it ain't like, oh, now you owe me? Or it ain't like, oh, yeah, you paid me, I'm a dude now. We're complete strangers.

And he just did that shit, boy, big shout out of Greg Street, man. He played with the music. Yeah, he just saw that shit was junk. Yeah, he was tapped in with him. coaching you fuck with it yeah yeah that's real welcome to Pretty Private with Ebeney the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free I'm Ebeney and every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you on Pretty Private we'll explore the untold experiences of women of color who

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you know when you're the hottest thing in your neighborhood, that's It's a big difference in being number one in the country, you know. And I've been there where I'm hot in my neighborhood and you go somewhere else, you hide there too, but that's only two hoods you hide in. You go somewhere else, they don't know your name. With them two hoods you in, you're popping. So you feel like, damn, I'm the shit, you know, and then you go somewhere else and it's a wake-up call.

They ain't never heard your name. So it didn't been, you know, a few times like that where I always try to like not smell my own shit too much, just not to get too caught up. Well, for show, that that was one of the times where they're playing it, you know, it's two stations in Dallas. They're playing it on both stations at the same time. You turn on the radio, you hear it, change station, you hear it there too. And there might be a community station, they're playing it there too. And shit, matter of fact, they weren't playing our shit in Houston. Tell that. They start playing it in Dallas, and then they're like, man.

Who's Dallas first dance? Yeah. They're like, man, why y'all ain't playing this down in Houston? They're from Houston. It's popping out here in Dallas. Why y'all ain't playing it? But it was because Matt Haddle, we were signed to him. He worked for the radio station, So he wasn't trying to make it be like no conflict and interest. So he had to let it come from over his head instead of coming from him. Like, hey, I got these new artists. He laid it, okay, let me. He kept telling us, and we'd be like, man, bro, we sign with you so you can play us on the radio.

Shit, what you want to play on radio? He kept telling me, trust me, trust me. Lifted, just, just waiting. And we were like, what the hell going on, man, front? Shit. Well, yeah, that shit. That shit, it was definitely something, man. when they playing it on the radio like that.

But, you know, we've seen a lot of, especially, you know, where we come from, it's a lot of one-hit wonders who have careers forever, but they really only got one hit. That's all you need. Yeah, yeah. So it wasn't, you know, I'm not expecting too much. You know what I'm saying? I'm not expecting, like, even with that, it's like,

okay, this is unbelievable. I don't know nobody from my neighborhood who was a professional rapper who made it. So who can I look to see to say, this is what I want to do as a job? Or this is what I'm going to do to pay my bills and support my family for 40 years. Who can I look to? When I'm, you know, 17, 16, like that shit, we got Jay Prince who gave us the blueprint on how to do it.

But I don't have no examples. You know, he got Scarface, but to us, Scarface was larger than life. So it was like, it might have been Jay Z or Nause or, you know, whoever the... He was already out of it in. Yeah, so it was like kind of out of reach for me to say, okay, how Scarface did it. That's how I'm gonna do. So it was like for me to feel like I hear my song on the radio at the car wash and just a random stranger playing my music, you know, and I go up to him and say what's up

and they're like, who the fuck of you, you know, but they're playing my music, you know. So that lets you know that, okay, there ain't no dickriding, they see you, and they turn it all. They're having all the time. Shit, man, I remember this shit one time. They didn't get me fuck on, man. I never forget. We was in Florida at Star 69 at Roy Jones Jr. Club. In Pensacola.

Yeah. In Pensacola, Florida. And we down there, me and comedian, they're performing. And it's before the show. We did early. We get there early. We at the bar, just whatever. We're just telling me and my partner Lou Hawk at the bar getting the drink.

Dude on the side of say, he said to somebody else, man. When Paul Wawa coming on stage, man, I'm here to see Pahua. He wasn't talking to me, but I heard him. And I say, what's up, man? I'm about to go on stage in like 10, 15 minutes. And he was about to steal off on me. Like, who is you? What's you talking to me for?

And I'm like, I'm Paul Waugh. You say you're waiting to hear me going on stage. And you still looking at me, like, confused as fuck. And then I'm like, all right, well, I see you later. You know, I just just like, man, what's going on? And then I went on stage, came off stage. And when I came on stage, he was like, you know, it was different. He didn't mean.

He was like, man, I ain't know what to say because you talking to me. And he was straight up. He's like, man, I'm going to be for real. I hate white people. I hate white people. Because of college. Yeah, he was like, man. So when you're telling me you, you're my favorite rapper,

I ain't know what to think. I'm like, man, how can you be my favorite rapper? When it's a white dude talking to me and he's talking about this power, man, what? And it was just shit. You know, you're the only white rapper coming up. Like in your circle, in your area? Yeah, there was, I mean, it was other white rappers

from Houston, but, I mean, like in our circle, I was probably the only white person that was there. But, I mean... You picked a hard-ass job, a white rapper? Yeah, but I mean, I don't... Shit. Hey, but I will say this. Hey, man, I'm gonna say something.

I'm gonna say this. You did a motherfucking good goddamn job of doing that shit. Yeah, man. And he ain't never relied on no, you know what I? It ain't never felt like I was listening to something. You know what I'm saying?

Like I felt like I was listening to somebody who was talking about exactly what they knew what the fuck they were talking about. You know, the only, the only hardship I had being a white rapper was dealing with white people. You know, white people telling me I shouldn't rap while, what you're doing, you know, being me, shit. But that was it, you know, shit.

You know, shit, it wasn't, I ain't see no, like, I mean, it's tough to make it as a rapper anyway. So if I look at other rappers who make, like, if I look at Slim Thug Journey or Comedientaire Journey, I ain't have it harder than them because I was white. Shit, they had it hard as hell anyway to come up, you know what I'm saying? So, shit, I think that was where the hardships came from, not like, the color of my skin. Also, you know, in Texas, it's a lot of Frenchmen in Texas from Louisiana. Everybody got grandmas from Louisiana. You know, it's a big Mexican. and the Hispanic population.

So, you know, people wouldn't know what I was. Everybody claiming me. I'm mixed. If you mixed, I was mixed. If you're Mexican, I'm Mexican. If you're from Louisiana, I'll hear a freshman. You know, like the Bruno Mars of the South. That I was, yeah.

Yeah, Bruno Mars came out, that's what they was claiming me. Because if Bruno Mars came out or did the Michael Jackson Tribute, there ain't nobody gonna be like, man, what's the same like? All right, Bruno, guy. That's his real habit. You know that's his real happy. Yeah, yeah. What?

Is he dog? Is he dog? Is he dog? He made him up dark for the money. It's up dark. Oh. That shit crazy. Yeah, man.

That shit, though, I mean, it's a journey no matter what. You know what I'm saying. You got to give it y'all no matter what you look like. But, you know, I think being there, we come from such a diverse city that I ain't in rapping on Swisher House tapes. Nobody knew what I was. Ain't no, and me, come in there. Okay.

How did y'all link up initially? We grew up together. We live on the same street, few houses down. I knew him my whole life. My whole life, yeah. His parents were Nigerian, so he had a different type of, you know, he had a different accent because his parents were Nigerian, so he had like more of a proper accent, a lot of people say.

So when they would hear us on the switch house tapes, a lot of times back in the day, they thought come in there if you say, oh, one of them white, some people would say, oh, he's the white one, come in there, because he might sound a little more proper. Well, I might sign a little more country, you know, or whatever, but shit. So that threw people out too.

People always come up to me saying his verses, come up to him saying my verses. Yeah. Because people are always gonna link y'all together because y'all is dope-ass group, man. So when you heard Pem-C like call y'all out, about the fallout, man. What was your initial reaction to that?

Man, he, him, shout out to E40 and Pem-C, the two main people that was from the jump telling me and coming in there both, telling me and telling him and telling both of us on three-way, shit, y'all are tripping. Y'all need to get back to, you know, not get back together of that, but just squash the bullshit because it's money to be made. It's a time limit on the money you can make. The money you're missing today, you can't make it back tomorrow.

You either make it today or it's gone. Yeah, y'all both have made a bunch of goddamn money. Yeah. They ain't had shit to do with rapping. Like, real took this shit and made it a business. And he didn't the tech world doing that kind of shit. Yeah, man, he ain't need to let me hold something, man. That shit.

Come here ain't got that real money, man. Shit. What's gonna get your water, man? Paul Wong got that real money. Yeah, man. We ain't got that tech money. Yeah, yeah. I got that jury money.

Shit. Don't leave the back on. When the PPP loans run out, that jury money run out. That tech money ain't gonna nowhere, shit. Holy shit. What the last time you all did some together? Some work, anything. It wasn't too long ago.

We see each other. We did a show together in Houston on the House of Blues like a couple weeks ago. It went, it was with Three Six Mafia and me and comedian there. and she was live. We just say every now and then we'll do something. It ain't all, it ain't over.

It ain't, it ain't, it ain't, uh, kaput, you know what I'm saying? We might, every now and then we'll do a song together. Come in, very picky, though. You know, he don't do a lot of videos, you know, so it'd be his thing, too. It would be like, man, he don't want to do the video. I mean, he don't want to do the song if he can't do the video. You know, everybody doing videos for every song now.

But, you know, for your boy, he might come, he might come, you know, hop in the video, but that's my boy man we still doing shit we might make an hour one one of these days make a part two you know you know with that though y'all decided to bless us with it when we came up together as a group you know it was association when you associate me with him him with me so it was like that group association and then when we split apart it was you know a journey for both of us to shed that identity of that group we had to make a new identity of of Parwal, not Parwha Communioner, but just Parwal.

And he had to make a new identity of comedianial, not Parwark Communioner, but Camillioner. Shit, and we did that for a long time. And then when PMC said that in the rap, that was like the nail in the coffin for us to squash our shit. Like I said, he didn't talk to us beforehand plenty times of, man, man, what's up with this and that, you know, just big bro in us, you know what I'm saying, giving us that perspective of, I don't care who wrong, it don't matter. You know, like, find a way to squash this shit, get over that shit.

You know, what are we mad about? You know, did we fuck each other gal or something? Did we, you know, kill each other cousin or something? Like, what are we really mad about? Okay, it ain't nothing we can't forgive. Well, what's stopping us? You know, we don't want to wait until someone one of us died. And then we, oh, my brother, you know, all that kind of shit.

So he really, you know, showed us that. Then when he put it in the song, you know, everybody else already was, everybody before that was on some messy shit with me and come in there. Like, you know, drama, y'all beefing messy. Ooh, come in and say this, powwow, I said this. Hey, what you're going to do with, you know, just messy shit. When Piracy said it, it was on some unity shit. Yeah, I feel like once he said it, like you said, it can't be beef no more.

That activated everybody who was a fan to come up to us and say, yeah, man, y'all need to get back together. Instead of shitting on, you know, coming up to me, sitting on him, coming up to him, shitting on me, you know, being messy. That activated everybody, yeah, man, y'all need to get back together. And we did, we did a reunion tour. we did a bunch of music here and there we just never did like another group album together but shit you never know we might man

I'm 100% open down you know that's my bro so shit I mean I definitely will be down I don't know come in that when he whenever anybody asks him about it he always say you know he talked about when we put get your mind correct out it was 2002 so that's 20 years ago

I'm man you think we're not sitting here waiting on Alcass reunion I don't get fucking when they say it is Hey, man, yeah. Yeah, he just, you know, we got, our style's a little different than they was back then. And we didn't grow, since we didn't grow together as a group and we grew separate, us coming back together,

he just, he don't want to tarnish our legacy of, you know, just how y'all speaking of, you know, of us now, shit. So what will we come with? We all got at least do one more album so we can have the argument. Yeah, yeah. And shit, too better than one. Yeah, yeah. I fuck, man.

You fucking one. We're hard. We're hard. But two, get what that nigga said at the end. Yeah. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, least one more for the great debate. I'm gonna make an album and make it halfway

and just leave it open verses in case I die, that way it would be ready for. Don't speak that, man. Don't put it up my will, come in, and I gotta fill it in the second verse on the third song. No, hell no, stay alive. Yeah, man, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

You'll be popping up everywhere, man. Every time some shit happening, we, Paul Wall is that. Yeah, yeah, man. What's one of your code is hip-hop stories, man. There's a few. You know, we were talking about drive slow earlier. That's a hell of a story for me, just from start to finish, from meeting Kanye West, even at that time, you know, some people, they could be never had a song, I never had an album out, you just meet them, and they got some type of energy about them, and you know they're going

to be something. You know, it's some people that's just like that. Shit, shit, when I first met Kanye West, he wasn't, Kanye West, he was not. He was still, like, shit, elite producer, but he wasn't, like, looked at as how an icon as much as we look at him now. I got a theory that he watched this show. Yeah, shit, I hope so. He's on the low, because we'd be finding a little shit. I hope so, shit. I will say some shit, then he'll do some shit.

Yeah, yeah. Like, this ain't no coincidence. We said Swain was right. Yeah, yeah. yeah he came out and finally and then he said he was right yes way was right yeah he probably do then yep he's fucking with it but yeah man he you know shit still you know it's one of things where you you got a beat from Kanye west that was like shit having a beat from any of the top 10 producers and hip hop at the time right and shit i remember yeah he still that niggas still yeah shit now he top three

he you know top two top one and whatever shit but yeah he man even then i'm you know i met him at a event and I ended up making his grills just he was like oh you know we're talking about the grills and like man I got my shit right now in my bag I can make it real right now for real shit let's do it I made his grills and from there that was the introduction that like set it all in motion and shit then he came down to Texas do something with Scarface and we ain't charged him man did we yeah we did not we did charge me we got him a discount shit man Shit, promote, wall. You don't fumble a band.

You don't fumble a guy. You didn't miss out on the trucks. Getting free-ship-de-wrench motherfuckers. Shit, no. Kanye ain't that same category as Nelly, man. You know, he's getting free grills for life. So, hey, hey, if you watch the show, you know your boy got the grills on ice for you, baby, for life, man.

You know that. But shit, now, man, you know, I met him, and he was mixing, you know, we brought him as grills because we made them, and then when they were ready, He came down to Texas. He was mixing with Mike Dean. Diamond's off forever. Diamond's from Sierra Leone.

And we brought him his grills, and we just, you know, kicking it a little bit here and there. Then playing Pat, who was his A&R, he reached out to me. He was like, because he had already tried to sign me to Def Jam, but it ain't work out. And he was like, say, man, I see you been fucking with Kanye. Man, you know, we're working on his album. We got this beat.

I don't know if he's going to use it. You know, you might do something. He might take you off. You know, just like how everybody can took off down the shit. That's how it is in hip hop, though. You do something, they take you out. So shit, but at no point that I think he would have put me on his album. What shit, he said, playing pass said, yeah, man, he's working on his album.

Shit, give it a shot, see what he say. He said, he down let you get a shot. Said, bet. I go in there and spit a verse in my studio in Houston, sent it to him and he said, yeah, man, I'm fucking with it. But we want you to come laid out here in LA. So I go out there to LA. The whole time I'm thinking, ain't no way in hell I'm gonna get on Kanye

Even, what I'm saying, it ain't the Kanye now. It's the, you know, the level one Kanye. I'm still thinking, man, ain't no way in hell he gonna put me on this out. Well, you're one of the biggest features on the fucking... I mean, not in my mind. I wasn't thinking that my mind, shit, that's the biggest feature for me, shit. They're going, Kanye, what? You know, people don't show me love.

I don't give respect like that. You know, they show me love when I leave or when you die or something like that. I don't get none of that type of that. Man, I got allergies, so they don't give me flowers, you know. Shit, yeah, but, so anyway. Why do you think this shit be happening? You think motherfuckers, like, hey, man, see what Paul Wall gonna do. That's bad.

That shit crazy, though. But anyway, let me, okay, so I come out to L.A., I'm still like, it's cool. Of course I'm going to do it, but I'm doing, is this really all the waste? Is he going to use it? It ain't a way he's using this shit. We land in L.A.X. Me and my boy, goo. We come down to escalators, the baggage claim.

Mike Jones had just got punked. Like on the show? On the show punk. Okay, you got to say on the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. On the MTV show punk. Hey, why are you bringing that shit up, man? You got my number.

You got my number, man. My kid was. You must still feel some kind of weaving. No, Mike Jones had just got a punk. He got pranked on the show punk. There you go. For anybody who don't know if MTV Punk was. Okay.

But, so we're coming down to escalators in LA. This is like one of my first handful of time going to L.A. So I'm like, am I about to get punk? Am I about to get punk? Because I'm like, man, there ain't no way in hell. I'm getting punk going back to my hood. They're not going to let me make it back in my hood. Shit.

They didn't told me saying, if you get punked, you better head and yourself like you're from my hood. Shit. Oh, y'all, wait. I'm going to beat the shit out of Ashton, could you? Oh, man. Shit. I mean, if I get punked, I'm going to jail, shit, or something. Or they're going to ban me from MTV because I'm going to talk.

there's on them up something shit no but something I'm thinking I'm thinking we come down to escalators a detective come to me another detective come to go go my boy my manager and we're like what the fuck what they're coming us for we ain't we're doing shit we're rap us what you're doing what you want to talk to me about some diamonds or something so shit he's talking to me all kind of like I'm thinking I'm getting punked so I start talking crazy to them they they LA Sheriff's Department too you know we they got history yeah so I know I know what they capable of doing. You know what I'm saying?

Shit, but at the time, I'm thinking they're actors. So I'm, shit, talking crazy to him. And then finally, the officer I'm talking to, he's like about to lose this shit on me. He's about to put me in the car and take me around the corner. And the other officer was like, say, man, man, let's just go. Let's just go. And they just up and left us.

And I'm like, where ass the crutch at? Shit. And I'm like, man, you stupid motherfucker. What you doing, man? You're talking to them crazy. I'm like, it's an actor. What you were talking about? Shit, I ain't going to talk to no real cop like that, shit,

because I know what goes out. Shit, ain't, I'm nothing to know. Shit, I don't want no smoke with no police departments. Shit. And next thing, you know, we made it. And it was like, okay, that's it. No police, no assing culture. What happened?

You know, shit. And it was, oh, it really was the police. We were like, oh, shit. Okay, then we go to, we get in the car. We're on the way to the studio. I'm on the way to the studio to lay my verse with Kanye. Hey, I'm thinking him and Mike Jones sit me up. Send me up to get pumped.

They missed me the first time. We pull up at the light in the left-hand lane. The driver, this is before GPS. He don't know where the fuck the studio at. He's just looking everywhere, man. Oh, there go. He'd break off the whole traffic and turn right. Way in the left-hand turn lane.

Turn right, just having to be a cop right there. Woo-hoo. We get pulled over again right there. I'm like, man, hell now. This gotta be a setup, man. Shit, I'm getting punked like a motherfucker right now. He'd get him a ticket. I'm like, say, man, my studio, the studio right there, like right there. I'm like, man, can I go? He's like, yeah, I ain't given you no ticket.

I go up in there. I'm like, shit, where Ashton Coucher at? Shit, I didn't squeak by twice. Shit, man, man, wasn't no Ashton Cush or shit. Well, no, I wasn't getting punk, you know? So, shit, I went in there, did my verse for Dry Slow. Now, this is only, it's really part two of the story. Because my verse for Dry Slow was really the original verse I was. I wrote for sitting sideways. Mm. Hold on.

And what my hip hopper story is that, man? Say that shit again? Yeah. My verse I did on drive slow, I wrote for sitting sideways. When we first did sitting sideways, my boy T. Ferris brought me the beat. Sally Williams made the beat, had a big pokey sample. He was like, man, this is a hit right here.

And of course we love screwed up click. We love big pokey, so I heard that June 27 sample, I'm like, hell yeah, that bitch hard. I write a verse to it. We say, okay, just the plan. We're going to get big pokey and a little kiki on it. My two favorite rappers. Shit, I never did a song with neither one of them before that.

I met them, but I never did a song with neither one of them. Shit, it's about to be the highlight of my life. The reason why I started even listening to rap or rapping or any of that was shit. Okay, I'm ready for that. This is how I used to write my verses. That's what I'm telling you, earth, man. That's how I used to write my verses, man. I used to get so, this is before I was smoking.

You know, the smoke definitely take you to another level. Even though it's foggy, the smoke will clear shit out for you. Yeah, yes, sir. That's why I'd be, this is the best part of the blunt. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that end, all the residue on there, yep. It ran down the blunt and where else to go. Yep.

This before I was smart, man, I go in the studio and I'll be distracted like a motherfucker talking, doing all kinds of shit on my phone, this and that, whatever, anything. So even the beat itself will just distract me. I can't keep the tempo because it's just, I can't think with the beat going on. So I catch one or two lines, going to the bathroom, going to another room, going my, really my car. I go sit in my car, turn the car, just sit there and just write just to the air.

To no beat, just write to whatever tempo I didn't, you know, came up with or that I didn't heard from the beat. So that's how sitting sideways was. She, give me the beat. Oh, yeah, I'm going to write to it. I get one or two lines together. Okay, I go in the car, write my verse, come back, lay it. T. T. Ferry said, man.

the verse hard you're saying some shit on there just like these things just like this to mean everything like man he like being you can tell he's being careful of his words he's using he like man it's shit hard but just don't go with this beat it's just something about it the way you're riding the beat it just don't something about it man and I'm like man I can't lie you're going off on there but man we already got to take little kicky off because he's not signed the record label said we can't have two unsigned artists on there you can't And since Pokey was on the sample, Pokey's on there. We're gonna put Kiki on the remix.

But you can't put both of them on it. You can't put both your heroes on the song. You gotta pick one. So, okay, we did that. So, okay, Kiva said, okay, since I gotta write a new verse anyway, man, just write two new verses. Just write two new verses. And if it don't work out, fuck it.

And I'm like, man, you crazy. Everybody's hard. Shit, and he's like, man, it's hard. It just don't go with a beat. And he'd be like, man, you know what? It's cool. If you don't want to try it, you ain't got to. And I just seen the disappointment in his eyes, said, God damn, Phil Jackson and called the play.

And I'm sitting there telling him, I know the play to call. Scott, I'm Scottie Pippe in him. Nah, I ain't coming off the bench. Shit. And I'm, man, I said, man, you know, I've seen that disappointment in his eyes. Said, man, fuck it. I'm going to try. I went back and wrote two new verses, which you hear for sitting sideways.

And that verse, I did it first. I'm going to keep that in my pocket. Shit, if Jay Z said, I don't need a verse or something. Because I knew I was saying this shit, I don't know. So, man, oh, if it's some shit I got to do. And I can't come up with nothing. We in the studio for, we got 20 minutes, what you got? You know, it's, okay, I'm gonna keep that bitch.

So when playing pass, say, say, man, I got something for you and he sent me that beep. I said, man, I think I got something for that. Where that old rap that, man? We find that verse that, man. It fooled it out then, this shit. It went perfect. Perfect.

Yeah. That's nice. Coyne West, baby, Grills for Life. Coyne West Grills for Life. I said you sent it back. Yeah, right back. Because it was already wrote, you know, shit. And he was fucking with it.

That probably had got on the album, too, man. You ain't, you know, I'm thinking, oh, yeah, you fuck with it. But, you know, in those type of, you know, in those days, this is what it mean. Oh, yeah, I fuck with it. I'm using it for a remix. Or I fuck with it, I'm using it for a special edition, this or that. Oh, yeah, you, boy. You know, but I never thought I was going to come out, you know, tell, shit.

I remember DJ Drama called me and say, say, you on Kanye West what's album? I said, I don't know. I did a song, but I don't want anybody to me off Donda, you know what I'm saying? She hit. They might have took me off Donda. I don't know. I ain't going to say how I'm on it. I mean, in those days, bro, man, since I was 15, this shit was happening, where you'll hear somebody go rap on a switcher house tape and to come back to the hood and be like, man, I killed them boys on a switch house tape, I killed them boys, and you'll never hear them again on switch house tape. Or they'll say that, man, I went over there and wrecked them boys.

What motherfuckers end up on the Swisher House tape? Ask Watts? Just how you got to do, ask Watts? Shit, Michael Watts, shit, old run I see. Well, man, ask Michael Watts. He was, man, all about showing love. Shit, first time I ride on Switch House tape, I was already working for the Switch House.

I was 14, 15, doing promotions. So I'm passing out flyers, putting posters up. You know, I went from doing that to pressing up CDs. Matter of fact, that's how I met my boy T. Farras. We was both 17. We're pressing up tapes, pressing up CDs, delivering. Take your CD. Yep.

Yeah, yeah. Boy. Manning and shit. I came up, I see Michael, I'm putting up postals in a record store. And I see Michael Watts, he's dropping out Switch House shit. I say, hey, watch, let me ask you a question, man. How come I ain't never heard Slim Thug or anybody Switch House rap on a Mani Fresh beat? I used to love Manifresh Steady, man.

Love Man Fresh. That's one of the goat. Yeah. He produced all those fucking albums by himself. Man, oh I'm saying, man. Why ain't got, why ain't no freestyles coming down on Manet Fresh Bees? Man, that shit used to kill me. And he said, well, what's your favorite man in the first beat?

Said, the cash money is the army. He said, he started beatboxing, bamb, bong, bong, bong, bong. He said, start beatboxing it. He said, yeah, that bitch do go hard. What would you say on that if he freestyle? He put me on the spot. Shit, hell kicked the freestyle in my life, right then.

That was a rehearsal in my life. Shit, why say shit? What you doing? Come on, let's go lay it right now. Shit, come on. Hopped in that impala, we went right to the dust bowl. The dust bucket, that what we used to call the Swiss your house shit lay that bitch laid another one and then say what your boy

comedian at because he already knew us you know but in those days you know it was like I think a millionaire was more of a favorite you know shit I think you know people like Michael Watts for sure I think he like he's like what comedian air man shit tell me come with you shit come over there did I think but the first two freestyles I did that cash money's the army and I wrapped on bling bling They both got deleted, they got lost. So she would get lost all the time. Hard drive crash, you ain't back it up, you ain't save it, whatever.

You just... Hell me a bad. Did you spill something on it? So shit, so that's how I'm thinking with Kanye. I'm like, yeah, man, he gonna spill something on that hard drive. Something gonna happen. Yeah, I'm not gonna say, I'm gonna happen. You ain't gonna do shit like that.

And honestly, before that, he was in the studio with Mike Jones doing something, and Mike Jones didn't use the beat. So when I first met Mike, when I first met Kanye West, he coming up to me talking about, yeah, man, you know, I did a beat for your boy, Mike Jones, but I guess I wasn't good enough. He, like, being sarcastic. I guess I wasn't good enough. I'm going to tell him I'm going to go back to school and I'm going to work hard and maybe I'll make his next album. And I'm like, hey, man, please don't hold that against me.

Shit, I would love to rap on any one of your beats. Shit. And then he kick a freestyle right there. Oh, y'all ain't fucking with me. Yeah. Back on, bitch. Yeah. Back on.

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and the old 80south South Shore. I love this shit, right. Now, Paul Wall, you've been on a lot of classic hip-hop records, classic songs, period, man. Give me some of your favorite. Grills. Grills, for sure. Come on, man.

I'm poor Nell. He changed my life. Yeah. How did you start fucking with the grill, first of all, before you get to the song part? Man, it all started because I wanted one. Shit, how do you get something cheaper? You work there. You get an employee discount.

Shit. How do you find out what the real price is? You find out who I'm selling with the numbers? Shit, okay. I was already doing promotions, street promotions, passing out flyers. That shit is the easiest shit in the world. Pass out flyer on people cars. Pass them out when they're coming out the club.

I'm 14, 15. Shit, you think I ain't going to pass out some pieces of paper to get in the club? 21 and up. Yeah, yeah, I'm in that bitch. Shit, they're like, how's you doing that? I'm like, me. I'm like, me. I'm worried.

I'm right. I just got off. Man, shot out of wicked cricket, man. My boy used to shot me out, man. I was hell of too young to be in there. That shit. Show me love, man. But, you know, I mean, that's how I was.

Somebody came from New York crime. He came with a removable style. Before that, we didn't know nothing about no removable style. You got to have permanent. Yeah, you got to go to a hood dentist. And not a dentist, but hood dentist. Shit. And the motherfuckers is permanent.

They're not coming out of. They're coming out. Your chief coming out, brother. Yeah, so shit, when he came with that removable style, we're like, is this some beauty shop shit? You know, you're going to a wig shop. They got the $10 little whatever.

Nah, they ain't the way. He got on that. Okay, New York style. We already knew. We ain't ever been to New York, so we're like, man, we knew watching Wu-Tang and shit. Like, okay, their grills is like a little different. Is this like what Wutthang got?

Because we were watching them in the video. Man, how they take their grills out? You know, how they got their grills like that? That shit blew our mind. So we know, okay, that's what's just going on. But everybody was scared to be the guinea pig, the first one to get them. But, you know, one day I'm passing out flyers,

and he passing out flyers. And I say, he said, oh, you don't pass these flies out? Yeah, and I said, you don't pass these flies out? Shit, I'm trying to get a grill. He's trying to get me to pass out flyers for him. I'm trying to get a grill. So we, shit, I said, look, man, I want a grill. You ain't got to give it to me, I'll buy it.

Just give me the wholesale. I don't care, I'll work it off. Shit, I'll work it out to you. Because I know what I'm capable of doing. I ain't afraid no hard work. Shit, like I do, pass-out flies, shit. Those motherfuckers are going to be gone today. I ain't throwing them in the trash.

I'm going to find a car to put them on. And I ain't talking about finding a car just to waste. I'm going to find a car who's a potential customer to put them on. You know, shit. And that's exactly what happened. He said, his phone started blowing up. He said, man, you got to come home work for me. Shit, I said, bet.

I said, okay, man, bet. He gave us a wholesale on the grills. I said, man, can I get my boy in on a deal, too? Come in there? bit. Commend did promotion too a little bit back then. So we both started working for them, doing promotions. She doing different shit. I opened up, it was

another shop called Thug City, my boy Cotarola. He had a shop in Trinity Garden in Houston, yep. And I was set up, I had a little kiosk in there selling grills. That was the first shop where I was in there where it was my shop doing it, you know, where I'm was my grill shop. And then from there

crime, he he rapped too. So he was like, man, look, I want you to do some promotions for my album. If you do that, I'm going to introduce you to the plug. And shit, that's when he introduced me to Johnny who was making them.

Johnny was just making wholesale shit. He didn't have a store yet. And I'd be in there. Me selling grills was only me hooking my homeboys up. Not making no money, not no entrepreneur. I got grills for the low.

And my partner's like, man, when you get them grills? Man, I got you. Right here, come on. We're going to hook you up. It was all just hooking my partners up. And that leads to, say, I got a cousin, that I got a partner, they got somebody else who wants something.

Okay, now we're starting to make some money. Because I don't know them. So, shit, I don't give them a deal, but, shit, I'm going to make a little money, too. You're my partner, I ain't got to make no money. I'm going to give you the same price. This is a holocaust. Same price. We're going to be shining on boys.

They're going to be like, damn, everybody in their crew shining. Shit. But that's what all it was, just shit, taking care of my partner. And even with Johnny, I'd be in there. I'd be making so many of my friends' grills. And anywhere I sold switch house music, anywhere we saw switch house music, I'm putting flies down, grills, I'm gonna be here next Tuesday, who wants your order? Call this number and set up your appointment.

We're going in random ass cities. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You was already making them. Already making them, shit, and that's where the money came from, shit. Because, you know, music, it's money and music, but there's money in that jury. Yeah, that's where that money came from. Man, man. But shit, making them grills, Johnny will see me, I'm just a wholesale client.

celebrity clans list long as hell now buddy you took care of the whole astrope yeah man and we're coming back this year too i know we're in illand over there i know we in a head off dude hey we're coming back this year too yeah yeah we'll give y'all little problems you know atlanta was yeah he went down to the end man y'all got his cell for shit yeah coming back this year though we get world series grills part two on the boys what's up man he said my jit go link up with him and be and just make that part of the package that part come with the red that part it comes with the red oh there comes yeah you get a ring and some grills when you win then barrac obama get one for me not yet but they're on ice they're waiting whenever hey shit

i got them yeah barak what's up baby i'll like at your boy uh paul uh get him some good yeah get them some bottom fangs you know shit okay everybody wants some Yeah, yeah, man. You figured out how to put them sheds over the veneers yet? Man, we can do it, and we do it for some people. But, you know, sometimes them veneers, it depends on if you get them, if you get I'm saying, there's a lot of people out of that have got veneers. But you got the cheap veneers.

But if somebody got them cheap veneers, you know, they crack a little easy. You eat the crab and they crack, oh, yeah, you might not want to put no grill on top of them. There's a lot of people I see eating them crab legs and crack their veneers. Shit, and watch out. They ain't learned yet? Yeah, yeah. You got to... They better crack the crab food.

Yeah. You're trying to eat it. You're like crab legs before you're on your teeth. You got to go all the way back to fucking, you know what you mean? You know what you mean? You know what you mean? That's the problem. You get it from the wrong place.

You're going to go back. This shit ain't even going to be that no more. Man. No. We never had teeth. Hey. Yeah. That's it.

That shit, Christ, man. But see, you was making great. But see, you was making grills at 14, hands of flies out, rapping. She living my dream. Shit, what, getting money, we iced out for the low. Don't nobody knows for the low, too. They just know you iced out. Shit, what?

They brought by with your music, bumping in their cars. You couldn't tell me nothing, man. That was my dream, man. You still going to school? What, that time? Yeah. So you were the man in school? Oh, man.

Yeah. When I graduated high school at U of H, that's when I really was okay. Okay, okay, that's when we can get somewhere now. Shit, because I went to University of Houston, but we'd be at Prairie View or TSU or just any other school in the area, Rice, HCC. We go all around Dallas, Paul Quinn, SMU, wherever, go to Louisiana, all the schools out there everywhere.

So, shit, we was getting it. Yeah, oh, yeah. Because that's where our fan base was for the Switchhouse. So, shit, that's what spread it. We go anywhere that's a college, especially if it's ABCU. We're going there, and if it's a military base, we're going there. Because there's so many military came from Texas, get shipped out wherever they're in Virginia,

they're here, there, whatever, we're going there to see them. Or they're from there, and then they come to Texas, and then they leave the military and go back home. So they're asking for us, so shit. And where's the military base we're going? We're just popping up, where they're at? Shit, wearing sweatshout shirts, people ask, man, where do you get that?

Shit, I'm par-war. Because they ain't know what we look like, so shit. That's your way. Yeah, shit. We're just popping up. legwork shit you still you know you can you can make it you can skirt the legwork now but uh you man the stairs you take the stairs to the top yeah that's how you get there man that's how you get there if you get knocked down you can make your way back up man you mean you take the

elevator to the top shit that elevator out or you stuck stuck right you take the stairs to the top you know your way back up shit shout to my boy rich de facto man real hustlers take the stairs so we were never afraid of that hard work shit we're pulling up Yeah, shit. Yeah. Shout to Rich the Factor, man. My boy Rich the Factor say that shit, man. Yeah.

What was your first old school you bought? A 1976 El Dorado Cadillac drop top. Man, black on black on black. Oh, man, I love that car so much, man. I remember I was so mad I fucked the top up because, you know, you got to let the handles back before you let the top. I let the top back too hype just on. I hit the boulevard. I used the top.

I also heard that. Oh, fuck. Man, shit. I had to fuck my top up. Man, yeah, I love that, man, that 76 El Dorado. It happened still all the grades. Oh, my shit, damn, man. I still got 77, the same thing, I got a hard top.

I still, I'm not a few, but I'm saying, like, in terms of I had that 76 El Dorado, I still got that 70s. He knows what cars you got, you're going to try to buy one from you. Don't say, I'm not bad shit. Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah, we ran it. We were having my bad call my mama. The car owners want cars to go to car owners, man. Somebody that's gonna take care of this.

Yeah. Yeah, man. Anything like them old school, especially if they're blowing snow. If they got the AC working, shit, you know some of old schools, they got no snow in there. It's all heat. Yeah, they play too much. That's torture.

You gotta ride that in the fall. Yeah, because that takes its heat on them level seats. Ooh, shit. That big-ass motor. Come on, man. Oh, they glad? Yeah. Then you got the top down the sun right there.

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He got his own line or he's just a model for him. I don't know about nothing. I think they, I hope they're here. I know they still got them, though. Yeah. They ain't a beauty shop right now today. That's one thing about rap, man. Motherfuckers is on their entrepreneur shit,

and it's good to see that shit pan out. Like you said, with motherfuckers in the tech shit, you were the jewelry guy. Who was your first time going out of the country on some rap shit? Man, the first time going out the country, man, it might, you know, we've been to Mexico a few times, you know, in Texas.

But if you want to talk about, like, going out of the country, like overseas going out the country, Shit, I think the first time I went out to the country on some rap shit was maybe with the U.S.O doing tours for the military in Baghdad, all over Iraq, all over Kuwait, Afghanistan, other parts of the world where they got wars going on and we ain't supposed to know about shit. They sent us all over.

But it's, you know, since the military, I got family in the military too, so it means something to me. But being that they were such a big part of my career, my success being shit. The soldiers support me. I'm for sure, like, man, I'm slewled to all the soldiers. Yeah, big salute. All the branches.

Thank you for your service. Yeah, real, real time. That shit crazy, though, when you're out there in the active war zone and you stay, like, we stay in the Saddam Palace, you stay next thing, you know, it's getting bombed, why are you in there? You stayed in there? Yeah. Hold on, what you're supposed to be in there?

Yeah, that was the barracks. Oh, okay. I was about to sing. You stayed in Saddam Hussein. Man, I was sitting on his toilet. Oh, man. Go on my own. I was going to say, hey, no, I didn't want to tell me you stole something.

After this shit, I can't have to take the Saddam shit, man. They said, I got the crown. Hey, nah, they let us know beforehand. They say, hey, man, you got to put the suit on. Hey, motherfuckers, get out. Get out. All around with the gold chocolate. You got the old gold chopper.

I wasn't trying to take no. I wouldn't even try to take no sand back. They told, man, shit. You fucking around and pour some shit down and find the secret room. Oh, shit, man. Man, they took us to them rooms. They showed us the elevators of the arm

used to take them down to the torture in the torture room. They got rusted handprints from bloody hands touching it, and they turned, the blood turned to rust all over the door. They call it in whatever Arabic or whatever, like, a bloody door or some shit like that. And it's an elevator to take you down. under the dungeon. Hey, we, that shit crazy out there.

Everybody makes a delete that pause. Hey, if it's been in my mind, and we ain't have shit to do with them the tag. We told you the last motherfucking time. To say shit. We can get his cordon to say shit. Don't say shit.

That's crazy, man. That's the crazy, man. That's a story. I don't know, I ain't ever heard nobody say that. Yeah, that's crazy. You gotta tell us what was in there, motherfucker. He had all kinds of things. diamonds and shit everywhere all kind of shit go just diamonds just like you know by the time we get

there it all to be looted and shit but they'll show you like like on like on the like I'm talking about like on the like decorations and shit like you just have diamonds on the wall and shit like for real like shit and like that you like I say what the time we get there it's looted but you can see where they was at they were like yeah all that was diamonds and that you know it'd be like you know it's painted black it'd be like gold plated but like real gold not like it's gold but it's third and silver, you know what I'm saying? It would be like real gold on the wall, shit, shit. Yeah, they, man, but it'd be like way high up.

And he'd have it like written where, you know, it was some crazy shit all over, man. He had, he was a motherfucker, shit, he had some shit going on. He did a lot more terrible shit than. Yeah, that shit was. But, you know, a few times, you know, been out there different trips with the USO, like, to Candle Hall one time we was out there in Afghanistan.

Shit, we was out there the week later, the boardwalk where we performed at was bombed and was no more. It don't exist today, shit, but a week ago, we was performing there, put your hands up, shit. And now it's no more. That shit was, that shit's crazy shit. So you're also performing active war zones and it basically hope it don't.

Man, we be there, you know, first of all, I hope it don't. There would never be no, like any time I'd have been, I've been on like seven or eight of them, but never at any moment, was there any fear of safety like ever, you won't feel that. You were the top, man, top flight security of the world, for real.

Shit, you think they gonna let somebody do something to you? When they ain't what you shit, it's. No, I know exactly. You are never no fear. Sometimes you don't know how far they gonna take you. When we went to Kuwait and we did a show that, like we stayed over there like three days. They were showing us all kind of shit.

I'm like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. They hit one building, and they're like, look, look at the sign. The signs say you could be shot at any moment if you go in here. Yeah. I'm going over there. Yeah, they wanted to say hey to you, but you got to acknowledge the sign before we can let you in. I was like, no, that shit crazy.

Now, I'm going to take some real shit. We was in Afghanistan, and we went from Kandahar to, We're flying on Blackhawk to the middle of fucking nowhere for like hours, for hours, like long-ass time. We're in the middle of the mountains and like a little valley. And I'm talking about the middle of the mountains. I'm talking about the size of from that wall to that wall and then it's mountains. And it's a fall base. You're just flying straight through.

Man, yes. We're just flying through that bitch. And it's a hell of a little view. Yeah, you don't know what's about to happen. And then you land and it's a small-ass little base like the size of this room. No bathroom. It's a pipe, the PVC pipe in the ground. That's the shit. That's the bathroom. Shit. And it's about 10 people there, 10 soldiers there.

And you see a little hole in the cave. And they're like, yeah, that's where Al-Qaeda or whatever was at. Or Taliban, whoever they was fighting. I don't know where they were they fighting. That's where they was at. But we cleared them out now, but that's where they was at. We'd be down here just like we are now. We'd shoot them with this M-4 grenade launcher.

You want to try it? I'm like, shit. I don't want them to shoot back, you know what I'm saying? No, no, no, no, ain't nobody in there. Nah, I ain't nobody in there. But, yeah, so shit, we're shooting the grenades into the mountains and shit. Like, that shit was crazy. And then, my boy, I'm telling you, it couldn't have been more than 10 people there, bro.

And then the next thing, you know, my boy, say, hey, I ain't want to say nothing, but I'm a producer, and the other dude said, yeah, I'm a rapper. We got a little studio over here in this. You mean to tell me out of 10 people, they had a rapper and a producer. And the studios. And the studio. What are the fucking? And you in, what was the country again?

In Afghanistan. In the middle of nowhere, though. You were in a helicopter had to take you there. What the trailers call, what they call them trailers? Where it's like on the 18 wheel of trailers or the empty trailer. Well, you know, they take them and like turning into like something or they had something like that. It was one of them, one of them like 18 wheel of halls. Oh yeah, like containers.

Yeah, containers. Like how they turn it. And that was, it was a, it was a, it was their room. So you performed in there? No, no, there we was just doing like a little meeting grid. They were like, okay, we're going to take you to a couple of bases, shit, to see, you know, and then we did a big show here and there. Like, this base was a big, big base we do a show.

This base, big base show. But a couple small bases, they can't get to us. You want to still go see them? Hell yeah, I want to go see. They're real heroes. I'm going to go, shit, being their presence, tell them thank you. Shit, I don't care if it's one person there. One person, we got to go.

Because that mean ain't nobody else to say thank you or to say what's up. So, shit, we go do that. and dude say, yeah, I got a studio, right? He didn't let me, he had a studio in the trailer. I hope you did the feature. Of course, what? Right. Every, hey.

You fucking right, she is. I said, she is. Hey, ha, I asked me, I got a studio else. You know, he made it over here. That shit was hard. Man, he got a, yeah, he had a computer, a mic, he ordered online somewhere, some beats that you know how it is. When you ought to come up some beats,

you give them somebody random on the internet that you don't know who they from and you can't really use it, but you can use it. I'm going to hear that shit. He pulled it up. I said, man, plan, I got the right of right. They're like, hey, we got 10 minutes. That's shit.

All I need is nine. That's yeah. I got to, come on with it, man. I don't even know. I don't even know where they're at. So they're watching, I'm sure they watch our show. I guarantee they watch your show. So shit, hey, drop your shit, man.

But we don't want all, we're going to have all the upcoming rappers. Yeah, that was me. That was me. Now, drop the shit with me on there. Where is that? We want to hear that shit. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. Now, if they lost their hard drive, what if they, what if they did they spill coffee on their hard drive? Right, exactly. They fucking had to switch locations and everything. The motherfucker left a grenade on that bitch. Yeah. That shit, man. If you shot a grenade lunch, I know you had to spit a cold verse.

Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what the fuck I said. I was out there with DJ Small. DJ Smalls, he, um... Shout out to DJ Small. He did the intro for him too when he was there. He was like, shit.

And he was like, hey, man. Man, you know, I don't usually do this without charging people. You know, shit. You know, that was my eyeballs popping, too, shit. He was getting them bads for that type of shit. But he kept in real, too. He was like, yeah, I got you. I'm going to talk on there, too.

Shit, he's shitty. Just some talking at the beginning. Shit, where they are, man? We need to shoot a video to that, man. That's hard. They ain't let me shoot no grenade launcher. Yeah. They get to blow some shit up.

Yeah, they let you. It let you blow some shit up. You got to ride on a tank, on the Bradley's. It wasn't a tank. It's another. bradley big ass big ass shit with a bunch of guns on it that they let you look down in that shit but they made sure wouldn't know yeah wasn't nothing really going over yeah yeah that's crazy yeah it was dope man the sad part about being over there the reality man is the first time i

we went and this out of the seven or eight times i went this happened three times where you on an angel flight going back. We'd be in the middle of performing and you see a helicopter like come down, smoking, you know, kick up all this dust and everything, and they leave. And we're like, what the hell going on? You see, not everybody, but a group of people rushing somewhere.

They're like, man, what's going on? Something going on. And then they'll tell you later, yeah, man, somebody just got shot, somebody just got killed or whatever, this and that. And it's going on. Why are you performing? So they're leaving to go protect somebody, save somebody, rescue somebody. That shit surreal as a motherfucker wanted to thank the damn, man. Imagine somebody.

like that's a they at your concert and then they did the next day like man so man like I said they're having a few times well you on the flight from Baghdad back to Kuwait and they bring that casket on there with that American flag over it and it's whoever's in there remains yeah and and they squad with them so that's their partner that they've been with every single day for the last how many years or how long they partner and it's just you know It's a, it's, that shit is a very, uh, uh, it kick it back in the gear that there's some real shit going on. This ain't, yeah, it's concerts and we, you know what I'm saying? Shooting grenade lines and all that, but it's some real shippie going on out here, man.

Real people, you know, it's, uh, it's some shit, man. So it, it, when you see people, though, back in the real world and the free world, you know, shit, you see them in the free world, you're like, yeah, man, and they come up to you and tell you, man, I've seen you in Iraq, I seen you in Africa, I seen you, I seen you, You know, you're like, man, it's like, seeing when your partners get out of jail. You know, shit. Like, damn, you're fresh out of locker. You know, like, damn, you were there?

Yeah, man, you know. Because I don't know. You know, you don't know if they're going to make it out. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know, they die or, you know, it's a lot going on. A lot of weight they carry when they come back too. So, shit, I don't have partners that, you know, they go a different route

and take their self out or do something. crazy, you know, they, it's some real shit, so that shit would be heavy, man, you know, shit. You can't un-see that shit, man, they'll take over. You know, like I said, they can do to the veterans and the active soldiers that are in these active war zones. Yeah, they rock with us too.

Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, shit, y'all need to take the 85 South shoulder to the USO, shit, y'all gonna be and y'all are you ready to go to Afghanistan? They might be in Russia or something now. I don't know, shit, they're gonna be in Ukraine or something Now, man, if they're in the middle of war, they ain't going to want to laugh at you. Right, they're like, what, man? Shit, real.

You ever ran out of bloods? Oh, man. Hey, they be the ones ready to laugh the most, though. I thought I was doing something playing 22 hours over here. They need a break, yeah. That's what it would be, because I'll be thinking in my mind, you know, shit, your mind, you're like, they ain't the middle of a war on, that was on. That's all I'm thinking. But all they thinking is, oh, shit, what the fuck Paul what I'm doing here?

Oh, shit. You got, we got a little, you know, memory of home, you know what I'm saying, resemblance of home. That's crazy. Yeah. Can you imagine you've been in war all day and Paul Wall? You're like, what the fuck? Yeah. That's, yeah.

Hey, man, I need some sleep, man. I just thought I seen Paul Wall over here. Hell yeah, man. That's what it is. Man. But that's dope as hell, man, when you get to take your crap around the world, just to see people appreciate it. see people appreciate it.

Yeah, shit. Oh, man, he had me to go. He didn't go anywhere safe. He didn't ever go to, like, Germany or anything. Yeah, man. We got some unsafe stories out there, too. Shit, yeah, we didn't have been in a few places. But you know, we keep it like, we don't, we keep a low footprint, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I'm saying, where else? You go anywhere that was safe. It was safe or it wasn't? Yeah, that wasn't a war zone, I mean. I mean. Yeah, we'd be a few of them places like, you know, out there like Czech Republic or Paris or Poland or Germany. They're chilling out there like that in the Czech Republic. Man, man, we, there's some of them countries you go to, like we go to Germany.

Most people there speak English too. They speak two languages. Either German and English or German and French. They think English stupid as hell. They tell you, too. It's so stupid. You go to Czech Republic or we go to Poland, they speak in their language. In their language, not English.

Like, in America, we ain't speaking Polish. They ain't speaking English in Polish. So we down there, shit, they got the same thing we got going on here. They got rap beef. Man, I'm performing, you know, whoever's going before me. He got a blow-up doll on the stage talking about another rapper. They beefing. They got all kind of shit going on where they, like, real disc songs like shit like that.

They got award shows where the trophies are AK clip, shit like that. They got, they got, they hip, man, hip hop is around the motherfucking world, man. This shit is, that shit, when you see hip hop have its own life, the seeds that, you know, just, you know, like in real life, like how a bee will take pollen from one flower to another and shit will happen. And next thing, you know, you know, you got plants that ain't supposed to grow here that's growing here. That's how that shit happened with hip hop, man. It's hip hop around the world that you'd be like, how the hell did this shit happen here? They don't speak English. They don't know nothing that's going on with hip hop.

culture in America, some of the places they do, they be tapped in. They'd be tapped in to whatever slang we're using, they're using. Whatever beats we're using, whatever style beats, that's the style they're using. Whatever shit, whatever, whatever features or whatever, that's the same shit they're going to. But some of them places, they don't know what's going

on here, but hip hop is alive and well where they're at. Shit, that shit is very inspiring to see, shit. They're buying all the slams in Japan right? Yeah, I see, right? It's like Cadillacs for us, right? Yeah, crazy. Trying to buy out our Cadillacs now, where is shit?

Well, you see how far the game, you know, the hip-hop entertainment business has evolved and, you know, it's still, you know, trended, but trends come back around, man. Like, how you see the game as opposed to when you started being where you are now. Man, when we started, it was only a few paths. You know, I look at it like we're trying to get downtown. There's only one freeway downtown. And it was traffic on that motherfucker. So you could get there, but you got to wait. And if you exit off, you probably ain't getting back on.

That's how it was if you're trying to make it en route. And like I said, there's one path. Shit, now you can take the freeway, you can take the feeder road, you can take the tow way, you can take the loop, you can take the streetway, you can take ways to see, okay, traffic goes this other way. So there's plenty of ways to make it now. There's still a lot of cars.

And, you know, it might be more traffic. If you're taking a direct route, it's going to be more traffic. But you can get there. So, I mean, to me, as a fan of it, I love to see that. Right. And, you know, I've always, from the first time I heard hip hop, there's stuff I like and stuff I hate. Shit, it's how it is now. Plenty shit I hate.

But I always, this music, I got a, I got a niche preference in music. What's some shit you hated back in the day? I don't even talk about it. I don't know. I ain't, I ain't trying to shit on nobody, but. I ain't know. I'm answering that. Anything that ever got played on the radio.

Okay. On any radio. Shit. I'm underground for life, so if you came from the underground, I fuck with you, shit. But I was anti-mainstream. I always was like this. So even me being successful was like a conundrum for myself. Because shit, I feel like a sellout.

You're on mainstream? I'm a sellout, man. Fuck this. I'm going back. We're going back to the Switchinghouse tapes, man. Shit, we're going back. But that's how, you know, because that's what I like with my preference. So even making music and marketing and labels trying to say this, you know, I'm like, man, the type of music, I know that can sell more is not my preference.

So I've out my whole life, I needed somebody like T. Ferris to say, say, man, bro, my whole show right now is all songs that I don't like, except for swinging in the right. That's the only song that I was like, man, this is me right here. But shit, break them off, that's T. Farris. Say, man, this is the beat right here. Shit, this is how I need to go right here. Shit, or, you know, any of them, still tipping him picking that song, picking the beat. Hey, man, just freestyle on that. And I ain't, if I couldn't stand that beat, man, what the fuck? I'm listening to some violins, do, do, do, do.

And you listen on a CD, on a little CD boombox where if you turn it up past two, it's going to skip. You know what I'm saying? Because you can't have no bass. So I'm like, man, there ain't no bass in here. It's just do, do, do, do, do. I'm like, what is this? What am I supposed to rap on? There ain't no violins?

I'm supposed to talk about some orchestra shit or something like what I mean he's man just freestyle whatever freestyle bit going on there shit man I'm telling him my old girl that was a song he TVare coming to me saying say I hate mainstream music and I hate anything that's sexual or female

centric that's just not my I like street music so shit and TVare's saying say man I know you going through with your girl I know you hate making music for girls you got a lot of girl fans though but man you got to do something for them man just talk about what you're going through with your girl man just I'm like man hell now that's a cornyer them up I'm not gonna do that now I'm telling you man people gonna feel that man

because he just there with me so he could see what I'm arguing with my girl about he just knowing like damn man you gotta talk about that shit people gonna relate to that okay bet I'm then we do it okay we talk about even shit with my boy webby we go down there I told you I don't like female central music he put on that beat with mouse put on that beat and he say say this my idea for this busy body shit. I got a hook. A mouse came up with it. Mouse and Webby came up with that and a little fat. And they tell, hey, this is what

you need to say on here. I'm like, man, I ain't going to tell Webby, no. So Webby telling me, hey, man, this is what we were talking about in a bit. That's what we're talking about. And T. Ferris is smiling the whole time. I thought you ain't like making girl music. Telling me that, you know, shit. And now, my shit, I'm

in the strip club for life with that busy body. Yeah, boy. I was already turning dollars, but that had me, like, that put me on another level. So shit, you know, I always, my whole life, I got a preference of what I like. What I like is little kiki, zero, you know, fat, fat, slim thug, wrist a factor, you know, shit, shit like that. You know, I need somebody to, all right, you know, you got a lot of these ingredients. Let's whip up something.

I know how to whip up something together, you know. I just like eating one meal, you know, one particular meal. That's what I like. I always needed somebody to have an outside input. Oh, my God, T. Ferris. That's crazy, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, y'all do, hey, that's dope.

The shit you don't like, but it's the shit motherfucker's love. Man, but I learned that early on from even from in love with my money, or even freestyles. Because my favorite freestyles don't be the ones people like, but the ones people like, be ones that I'd be like, man, I wouldn't even say nothing on that. I didn't even give a fuck about what I was saying on. I just said whatever. But for whatever, sometimes it could be the way you said something. Sometimes it could be, you can shot it out of the street. Even though I'm talking about the street in Houston,

you got the street in Atlanta and Dallas and everywhere else. So you feel in the aisle, man, you're talking about this street? Yeah, man. You know, what are the chances? All the, like, sisters are the same everywhere. Yeah. We all from the same. Yeah, man.

Damn, man. Paul Walton fell through the trap. Yeah, man. This one been in the making. Yeah, we've been. We're having some ladies coming through lately. Man, I got an invite in my DM from. From 2016, I said, God, damn, what was I doing?

Damn. Five South Show, Paul Wild, we want to fuck what you come through. It said, 2016. Damn, Paul. God. Who said it? Let's see. Let's see it.

Let's see it. Can't say it? I seen it. I seen it everybody last week. That's why I left in there. Yeah. I seen me everybody last week that said, damn, we've been trying to reach out since 2016.

Where are you at? Yeah, man, girl. Shit, I got to come out of my boys, man. This pro game is crazy. No. when it's supposed to happen. Yeah, right. Yeah.

You might have came then. That might have been when we was at the spot we couldn't even really, you know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

We appreciate it, man. What can we find you on social media? Yeah, man. I'm sure some people watching, they want an authentic wall grill, too, man. So we still doing grills. Yeah, I dropped some promo. Yeah, shout to my boy Johnny.

You know, we still got them grills and fuck. Yeah. Judy Johnny, what up, baby? But for sure. For sure. Show social media, everybody. Diamond boy. Yeah, Diamond Boy.

What's up? Man. Y'all, y'all. Get Money TV. Power, get money TV. Already shit, man. Y'all follow my YouTube. Of course, at Power, baby, you know, that's where I'm at, man.

But that YouTube, where it's at? It's a get money TV. Yeah. You know that's your first time stopping through the trail. You got to come back. Man, y'all got to let your boy come back, man. And this time I have something for you, man. You know, I brought something for my boy,

but I got something to have something for you next time. Come on. Yeah, she is, man. Y'all got you. I got you too. Oh, really? Hey, don't tell me that. I'd be the case of Jesus.

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