The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - Pour Minds: Cause And Effect ft. Deante’ Kyle

Episode Date: March 21, 2026

The Black Effect Presents... Pour Minds! This week, Lex P and Drea Nicole are joined by viral podcast host Deante’ Kyle for a real, unfiltered conversation you don’t want to miss. The epis...ode kicks off with Deante’ getting his flowers and breaking down his rise from TikTok to building one of the fastest-growing podcasts, plus what it really takes to stand on your opinions in today’s internet culture.  From there, the conversation gets deeper as they dive into online backlash, going viral, and why some people are more focused on discrediting you than understanding you. The group also opens up about adoption, identity, family secrets, and the importance of truth and healing, along with conversations around Black identity, colorism, and standing firm in who you are.  With real talk, a few laughs, and moments that’ll have the Pour Crew debating all week, this is one of those episodes you don’t want to miss. Grab your drink and tune in — because as always, a drunk mind speaks sober thoughts. #LEXP #DREANICOLE #DEANTEKYLE #GRITSANDEGGS #COMEDY #PODCASTSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:35 Man, let's stop the narrative. Stop. I don't, I ain't gonna lie, man. I'm starting to get ages, bro. Why? I don't want to hear the opinions of people younger than 25, and I'm just getting old. Yeah. Oh, future, bro.
Starting point is 00:03:49 Shut up, bro. The people was mad at Brandy doing the run. That national anthem was beautiful. It was. Brandy. Like, let's stop it. It's a lot of revisionist history that'd be happening with niggas that we got to start doing it. We got to stop doing it.
Starting point is 00:04:04 Y'all stop acting like Whitney Houston herself didn't. say Brandy was the most talented Niggins be like, like, this is about egging like Christina Aguilaric and saying, y'all don't do this to work. I want to shoot, baby. No. That's what it's all right. What's up, y'all?
Starting point is 00:04:58 It's your girl Lex P. And it's your girl, Jory and Nicole. And you are tuned in to another episode of Poor Mind. Where a drunk mind speaks sober thoughts. We got a guest today. Okay, when y'all were first introduced to him, now mind you, let me say this. Y'all did ask for this guest because y'all say I'd be lying, but y'all was asking for him in the comment.
Starting point is 00:05:21 They have been asking for it, and we delivered. Y'all first introducing him on TikTok, now he has a banging podcast. Y'all've seen him on Breakfast Club. He's been everywhere. If you get on social media, y'all have seen his clips going viral. He's known for keeping it real, keeping it 100. Y'all give it up. Fug the Y'all take home.
Starting point is 00:05:45 No, I'm saying. Just being in Clever. Oh, crazy. This is how he's starting to show today. He is. You know what I'm saying? I love y'all, I love y'all, bro. I'm so glad that you're following.
Starting point is 00:05:58 Because we've been trying to get you for a while. Yeah. Schedules have been, you know. And we run into you everywhere. We stay running into each other. It's the schedule. It is the schedule. It really is.
Starting point is 00:06:08 It be me too. Exactly. Don't act like you're not bookedy busy. Because you'll be busy too. And Shade we have in our schedule booked out. It's a blessing for real. Yes. So I want to kind of talk.
Starting point is 00:06:18 First of all, I really want to give you your flowers. Like, we're going to get the serious stuff out the way because I told this to Drea, we were talking on the phone one day because we gossip and talk about everybody, so he was on the docket that day. And I know it didn't, I hate what people say,
Starting point is 00:06:31 oh, he just came out of nowhere. But the fact that you started your podcast in, what, 2023? 2024. Yeah. No, you're right. 2023, it was audio. Yes.
Starting point is 00:06:42 It was audio only. I'm not going to lie. We have been doing this for a while. I'm not going to lie. I have never seen somebody cover this much ground and grow that quickly without being a celebrity, I've never seen it. I have never seen it.
Starting point is 00:06:58 So the fact that you have a platform and that you've grown on and you always stand ten toes down and your opinions and your things and you've grown organically, I have to give you your flowers for that because especially now, everybody has a podcast, right? Take the mics, take the mics.
Starting point is 00:07:13 So the fact that you are doing it in a time where it's the really competitive space and you have stuck out, I got to give it your one. Man, I appreciate that. Thank y'all. You been doing your name. That's probably my favorite thing about you.
Starting point is 00:07:25 I love that you just, you say what you mean and you mean what you say. There's never no retracting of statements. I said what I said. You can either take it or leave it. I love people like that. Yeah. I mean, I ain't nothing to take it back. That's what I meant.
Starting point is 00:07:37 Yeah. I meant it the first time. I don't, I learned how not to end post post. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, like, really a big part of how I was able to grow so fast was I had built like a personal brand on TikTok. So I already had like 100,000 followers before I started podcast.
Starting point is 00:07:55 And then it was like, shit, if I can get at least 10%. If I can get 1,000 folks listening this shit, this should have popped. Yeah. Because I already know if I post on TikTok, that shit going to go up. Yeah. But I ain't had no Instagram at the time when I first started in here. Really? Yeah, I ain't had no Instagram until the end of 2024.
Starting point is 00:08:11 That is so crazy to me. That is. That's crazy. Yeah, I ain't like Instagram. I was like, very anti. Because I was like, I ain't know taking no picture. Yeah, and that's what it used to be. And now, every time I see you on a red car
Starting point is 00:08:23 and you take your picture. I be with y'all. I be with y'all. You do. I'm not going to lie. He is, you be everywhere. Like, that's why I say, I know it's like work and everybody puts in work and people don't see the things behind closed doors.
Starting point is 00:08:36 And this is somebody that we still get that. People be like, where did y'all come from? And it's like, we've been putting it in the work. But I ain't going to lie. You really did just kind of like pop up. You know what I mean? You used to drive trucks, right? Yeah, I stopped driving trucks in April.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Wow. So you just stopped. Congratulations. Yeah, I ain't even a year-in. When I started driving trucks and I could do this shit full time, that one, this shit really went up. Yes. That one y'all started seeing me everywhere.
Starting point is 00:08:59 Yeah. It was once something, like, summer-thirty-twine-up. Yes, because I'll go ahead. So what made you decide, okay, because I feel like that's just two different career paths. So what made you be like, okay, I'm going to start a podcast from driving trucks? I was actually okay with driving trucks. Like, it was stable.
Starting point is 00:09:18 It was the first time of my life I was really. really stable for real. Like, I was always just trying to figure something out whether there'd be hustling T-shirts or hustling whatever, you know what I mean? But I always just kept a job, but it was like a job, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm driving for it lives. I'm doing something and I've got to do shit on the side. And I got kids, so it was like, I need a career. I need something that stable and I, you know, that's when I got turned on to the trades and stuff. So, um, yeah, I went to go stay with my granny for like five years for real. Like, granny would like, come over here and start your career, but bring the kids and everything
Starting point is 00:09:49 How many kids you got? I got three kids. I didn't know that. Yeah, for sure. I keep my private, like, private. How many baby mama? None. I got one, I got one wife.
Starting point is 00:09:58 I know. Me, kids. Okay. Y'all, man, I had the roof of all that. Yes, I got a wife, yeah. Yeah. No. No, yeah, man, that's a, dang.
Starting point is 00:10:10 Look, I think for me, we, I've been a consumer of social media long enough to know, like, what's for them and what's not. Yeah. Because their folks will take your life and spend that. shit in whatever they wanted to be. So I'm cool on that. You know what I'm saying? Because shit, if me and her go through something,
Starting point is 00:10:27 I want me and her to go through that alone. Yes. I don't want us to go through that with the world, bro. That's crazy. That's how a nigga ended up broke up. I'm telling you. I feel like it's cool to have a certain level of transparency with being a public figure,
Starting point is 00:10:38 but the things that you care the most about, you need to keep pride. You got to protect me. And you know what I mean is crazy? Yeah, niggas hide their drug habits. Why you ain't hiding your children? Exactly. But I think it's so crazy how people be like,
Starting point is 00:10:47 why y'all, why are y'all hiding stuff? If I was in a relationship, I would put it on black. Man, it's fault being lying, bro. But also, no shade, but if you have 500 followers, you can post your significant other. Yeah, I know. It's a little different when somebody is literally watching your every move. Thousands and thousands, sometimes millions of people are watching what you do.
Starting point is 00:11:09 That and, you know, the way I speak, I'm always stepping on somebody's toes. So, you know, like, I've been very open about my adoption and stuff like that. I said some niggins ain't like, they go find your daddy, niggas, go find your mama. Like, they get disrespectful. It's like, I can't do nothing to these niggas. So I think for me it's like, you know, I also been open, like we had a separation, you know,
Starting point is 00:11:32 that we was going through, you know, still going through, but working through it, type of shit. So it's like, man, I put that on it in there, and the niggas, find her and all that. Then what it's going to be? They're going to spend that narrative too. And it's like, for me, that's my life. She don't even want to be perceived like that.
Starting point is 00:11:48 You know what I'm saying? She good. You know what I'm saying? So why we, I think, I think niggas do that to validate something else within themselves. I don't need no validation like that. How has y'all's relationship changed since you have? Nigger, this shit, crazy. It's a 180 for real.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Because, like, driving trucks, shit, you'd be gone a lot. So our communication game was crazy because it's like, that shit, that's all you got. I call on, like, 36, 48 hours, and I'm back out of it. But that also was the thing with, I was like, I need to get up out of it. That's when you, to y'all point about what made you start, it's like, if I'm buzzing like this on the internet, I could parlay this into something.
Starting point is 00:12:29 And a lot of people wanted to hear me speak in longer form. So it's like, shit, everybody do these podcasts, but like, anybody's talking about shit for real. Yeah. And a lot of them folks guest center, and people tune in there for me. So it's like, shit, it's this comedian I watch named Tim Dillon. He'd do his shit, Dolo. And, like, he got his people on the side that, like, he got, like, a, I guess, like a peanut gallery, so to speak.
Starting point is 00:12:54 People that he conversed with, but it's really centered around him. So I was like, shit, I could do that. And that shit just took off. Yeah. Because I was like, I don't feel like being, I'm cool with being a child job. I don't know if I want to do this shit, no, 20 years. Right, yeah. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:13:08 My granddad did that shit for, like 30 years. Mm-hmm. And I gave you back problems. You hear me. What shit? I didn't know. They give you back problems and the side of their face? It messes up the side of your face
Starting point is 00:13:19 from the sun coming in. Really? Uh-huh. Also, I think that people don't talk about is how isolating it is. So, you pick up traits of being institutionalized. Because you buy yourself so. You buy yourself a lot.
Starting point is 00:13:31 So you eat by yourself. You spend a lot of time alone. You get to a point where you start, like, you don't want to talk on the phone as much. I had got to that, like, year three, I ain't want to talk on the phone. When I get home, it's like, I got to remind myself,
Starting point is 00:13:46 like, I'm here to, I got to be press. present and my father because, like, I'm so squirled away in my room, doing what I would know. This is my routine being by myself. And so, yeah, it took a little while for me to even be back comfortable being around folks all the time. Do you have any lot lizard stories? No, hell not.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Anyway. Lot lizards. What is that? It's the girls that running around. So, like, you know what I'm saying? I'll be in TikTok too deep. Because I'm like, what is a lot lizard? It's a real thing.
Starting point is 00:14:12 So, like, old school truck is like, you know, these big old trinkers. truck parking lots and stuff, it'd be prostitutes. They'd be go do-to-do. Not going to eat, see if you want some company and shit like that. Not they said ladies the money here. Yeah. I don't know that. Hey, hey.
Starting point is 00:14:28 Hey, the nigger pushed up with the check. You're heard of me? Nah, the thing for me is like, I ain't never really had no women problems. So I ain't never been that down bed. If I can't wait for it. You know what I'm going to? I'm going to wait for it. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:14:41 That was great. If not, we're going to get that hub popping. What? Not a hub. the hub poppy. So I wanted to ask you, like, how do you deal with the backlash, all of the backlash and stuff online, people in their commentary, especially coming from a place of at one point not really being active on social media to now having obviously, like, a booming podcast,
Starting point is 00:15:05 booming social media pages? How do you deal with all of the commentary? It's something to adjust to. I literally had no social media three years ago to like having, like, to being the social media nigger. Right. So I think I was talking to a rapper yesterday. Well, very well known.
Starting point is 00:15:25 I was going to say, he can't rap for real. Why you need it? Never mind. I was about to say. He's an artist. You know what I mean? Okay. I don't want to put that way out now.
Starting point is 00:15:33 Yeah. We just having a conversation because he was kind of telling me about how he did with like a lot of paranoia dealing with the public, trying to be normal. You know what I'm saying? And my therapist had told me like, don't let it. these folk deify you, like, stay human as much as you can. So at first it was like I was always engaged in the comments or, you know, if I feel like somebody was like taking my words out of context or misrepresenting my message, I'd go back
Starting point is 00:16:00 and forth with them, but I really had to like go through like a whole morning of that shit too. Like you got to like, I got to let this shit go. Like I got to really completely disengage and disconnect from this because it's to the point where it's like it's only one of me. It's so many of y'all where to the point, y'all, you don't even give a fuck. about what my response is, y'all just here to push out narrative. Y'all trying to get the most likes in the comment section. Yep.
Starting point is 00:16:23 And or like, man, you know how many niggum picking back and off my shit? Like, trying to get a name for themselves by mentioning my name. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Bro, not even that. Just like, I know a nigger right now 50 videos deep running around his mouth about me. Yeah. I hate it because they be in the back talking, but they head be in the middle just floating around.
Starting point is 00:16:41 This nigga. Mm-hmm. I hate it. I hate these videos. I hate them. I'm on six real. This is me? Stop doing this, bro.
Starting point is 00:16:50 Say something, bro. Or just repost my shit and get up out of it. Yeah. Like, get your face out my shit, bro. You know? But, no, I keep doing that because that shit is good marketing. Yeah, I mean. But I think, no, but I'm just talking about people that are, like,
Starting point is 00:17:03 every take you make, they got the contrary. Yeah. They're contrarian. I'm going to take the opposite stand. They only got no reason to have the opposite stand. They're just like, yeah, fought that nigg. Yeah, for sure. Essentially, that's what it is.
Starting point is 00:17:15 I always tell people. There is no way, because I see this a lot. If your entire social media is talking about other people and what they have going on and their topic points and things like that, you're never going to be like an influencer, a successful person online or whatever you want to call it that we do, you're not going to make it. You got to be mindful of what your content is.
Starting point is 00:17:38 Yes, if your content is just talking shit about other people and what they have going on, as soon as you talk about yourself, they're going to disengage because they don't care about it. you, y'all are all bonding on, I hate this nidget. I mean, yeah. And I think a lot of people, they just be committed to misunderstanding you or they want to be offended by the message because it's you saying it. If somebody else was saying the same sheet, they would just let it ride.
Starting point is 00:18:02 But because if you saying it, oh, I got to argue, I got to go back and forth, I got to have a rebuttal. Right. I think it's a thing, too, it's like they see everybody that love you and praise you and, like, show you that. They like, fuck that. Do you know the mom? The most hated people in the world
Starting point is 00:18:18 are not people who are like, oh, that stand for something. The most hated people in the world are people that are really loved. If somebody is too loved, they hate it. Beyonce hasn't done an interview in years and look at the backlash.
Starting point is 00:18:32 People are still just being like, oh, when you are extremely loved, yeah, when you are extremely loved, people cannot stand it. I think it's confidence, too. I think it's people who are confident and they speak with conviction. Because I understand what you were saying earlier, too.
Starting point is 00:18:47 Like, I'm the same type of way. If I say some shit, I'm standing 10 toes on what I say. I never retract my statements because I don't just say shit just to say it. Anything that I'm saying, I thought about it. And I know exactly what the fuck I mean. So you're not going to get an apology out of me. Maybe you misunderstood what I'm saying. Or maybe you don't agree.
Starting point is 00:19:04 That's okay, too. And I'm cool with that. But articulate the disagreement. Right. And a lot of folks ain't doing that. Because they just want to disagree. They just going to slam to you like, when you got a name calling this, like, yeah, that's all. And we ain't talking about shit for real.
Starting point is 00:19:16 I like that. Articulate the disagreement, hudics. Oh, shut up, girl. And they can rarely ever do that. They can't ever. But a lot of times, so, like, the thing for me is, like, I'm not really above correction. I grew up with a mama who was, like, very serious about making sure, like, you know what you're talking about. Right.
Starting point is 00:19:35 So if I kind of heard with an idea or an opinion, it's like, she's going to ask me 10 questions that might go against what I'm saying just to make sure that I'm 10 toes and what the fuck I'm talking about. Or she might see an angle of it where, like, I ain't thought about yet. So it's like, let me poke some holes in your shit to make sure you solid. Or just to, like, to challenge you. I need to challenge my child. And the woman's like, I can't have you going out in the world saying this shit. And you're just dead wrong. But I think for me it's like, before I speak, I'll research.
Starting point is 00:20:06 Before I speak, I listen. Before I speak, I make sure I know what the fuck I'm talking about. Or at least from my perspective, like, I'm solid and way. what I believe in, like, what my opinions are because there's been how I felt about this. Same. This ain't influenced by a nigga on social media. This ain't influenced by somebody I think cool or whatever like that. This is influenced by me and my live experience.
Starting point is 00:20:28 So I think a lot of times it's very, it's easy to navigate the hate when I know, like, you just hate me for me. You root it in you. You know who you are. You just don't like me. That's cool. I'm cool with that. You ain't saying nothing about what I said.
Starting point is 00:20:41 Me too, yo. So, with you. With you being, would you consider yourself pro-black? I don't want to... Yeah, for sure. Pro-black. So why do you think that people, instead of focusing on your message, it was like such a scandal that you had a, or have a white mother biologically?
Starting point is 00:20:58 I think there's just a way to discredit the person. Like, if I tell you, I was giving away her birth. Right. And my mom had bit my mama since I was two days old. Shit, I don't know what we're talking about. I don't know that lady. I don't know that white woman. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:10 You know what I'm saying? Praise jaw. You know what I'm saying? But, okay, can I, and I know y'all gonna be maybe calling me biased in the comments. If you wouldn't have said you was mixed, I wouldn't know, you look like a nigga to me. You are not white passing. Yeah, you know what? It's not giving like, hmm, what is he?
Starting point is 00:21:25 I don't, but see, I think, you know, like when people just spend a whole bunch of time around dogs and shit, they start looking like their dog. Mm-hmm. I mean, I personally, I'm weak as fuck. I kind of disagree. Like, I feel like I can see it in you. But you have, I think it's probably because of your hair, because you have lots. But it's, I grew up how I grew up. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:21:45 I grew up how I grew up. My mama and my daddy is my mama and daddy. You know, if them folks had any need or want to know who I was, they'll come find me. You gave me away. You got to come find me. I ain't going to looking for you. And this is also something I found out about upon my mother's death and shit, too.
Starting point is 00:22:02 So it's like, you know, this is new for me too. And if I can navigate that, if you're going to use that as a point to discredit me, bro, that shit invalid, bro. But I think for me, it's just like, Like, I think I have to discredit. Like, we got to discredit your blackness. So that means everything you said where you care about black people or you want liberation for black people or advancement for black people.
Starting point is 00:22:25 Or just black people to take a different perspective or take on to like community over this device of shit. It's like, we're going to discredit everything he's saying because his mama white. It's like, okay, nigger. But I think that's crazy because... Your mama's black and you hate black people. So what the fuck that got to do with me? Because how many of them don't be wanting to date black women? Oh, me?
Starting point is 00:22:43 And I also feel like You're fin of make a me Yeah You your experience through life Have been as a black man Like I said You're to me no offense But you're not not
Starting point is 00:22:53 That's not even offensive It's not offensive You're not passing It doesn't give mix to me personally Because it ain't been my experience Right I ain't grow with no white woman Right
Starting point is 00:23:01 It's like I don't know what that's like Yeah I could see it all niggas when I'm saying That white mama shit That's a real thing Oh trust me Yeah
Starting point is 00:23:10 They move a little different Them white, you can always tell It's like two different, it's like two different type White Mama's too, like, it's because like I got some home boys that's mixed, but their mama kind of like, I ain't, for lack or better worse, she's a little nigga out. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:24 She got that, dating is my keen, hair, cut. Drive the Nissan awesome. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about, that swoop and it's spiked up in the back? The Ais of Mexico, mother. Yeah. I know what she's talking about.
Starting point is 00:23:37 But I grow, these niggas, these nigg will be bad as fuck, man. Yeah. But I think, but they rooted in who they is. They rooted in their blackness. Like, they ain't never, I ain't never seen these conversations. So, like, a lot of times that, like, the whole white mama thing, that ain't something I really knew until the Internet was prevalent. And then it's like, you start seeing it more and more.
Starting point is 00:23:58 But I think anytime you're in black spaces or you in spaces where you're trying to, you know, just show love to black people or push community and push unity, it's always going to be like a number of divisive types that's going to come out. And that could be two black parents, four black grandparents. Like, them niggas still be divisive. Yeah. She'll, nigger, nigger have a whole lineage of black foes and date outside that race and
Starting point is 00:24:20 down the top of that race. So it's like, I mean, what are we really talking about here? Right. Is it, are we trying to unify black people? And do we have the understanding of, like, what the history of America is? Like, what are you going to tell Thomas Jefferson's children named Black? Mm-hmm. He ain't telling them that.
Starting point is 00:24:36 That's true. That's true. I'm Bailey Taylor and this is it girl. You may know me from my it girl series I've done on the streets of New York over the years. Well, I've got good news. I am bringing those interviews and many more to this podcast. Yes, we will talk about the style and the success, but we are also talking about the pressure, the expectations,
Starting point is 00:25:00 and the real work with the women's shaping culture right now. As a woman in the industry, you're always underestimated. So you have to work extra hard and you have to push the narrative in a way that doesn't compromise. who you are in your integrity. You know, I like to say I was kind of like a silent ninja. Each week, I have unfiltered conversations with female founders, creatives, and leaders to talk about ambition, visibility,
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Starting point is 00:26:21 spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms on different houses and different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart-side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, This episode is a must listen.
Starting point is 00:26:45 Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in so much. I doctored the test ones. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for.
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Starting point is 00:27:38 As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Good people. What's up? What's up? It's Questlove. So recently, I had the incredible opportunity to have a real conversation with with actress and producer Jamie Lee Curtis ahead of the release of her new thriller series, Scarpetta. I can honestly say I've never done an interview like that before. You know, at one point I shut my laptop down.
Starting point is 00:28:21 And we just started chatting as old friends, recent Oscar recipient. So we have some commonality there. I predicted that, by the way. And you said these words to me, dust off your mantle. Yes. And I looked at you and I said, what? And you said, dust off your mantle. And then I left and that was it. And then when all of that happened, I remember the next morning, I think I wanted to like write you and go, how did you know?
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Starting point is 00:30:03 To touch on, back on you being a zopsyed a little bit. So I know you said your mom has passed away, a biological mom. Is your dad still alive? No, no, no, it's my mother. I don't know these biological folks. Oh, so you don't have
Starting point is 00:30:15 any type of connections? I was giving away that birth. So, and you're not interested at all in, like, finding them, having a conversation with them? I'm being honest, like, I feel whole. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:30:25 I was loved. I was raised a certain way. Like everything that I was raised on made me who I am. I mean, reaching back, I had to really get to a point with myself where I figured out what the 50-50 of it was, right? Let's say I reached back and I get the rejection. Like, they ain't want nothing to do with me for real.
Starting point is 00:30:44 That's going to open up a whole other can of worms for me. Where I already feel whole within myself. And it's like if I don't have, of course, like when you, with new information you want to like kind of close a loop. And I came to a point where I could have got all the information I wanted. And I had to make a decision like, is this, I'm stable. I got my kids. I got my family.
Starting point is 00:31:07 I know I'm loved by people. I know I got a support system. And I feel whole within myself. Like, if they ain't never tell me this, this ain't nothing, I would have never been thinking about. So I was like, I'm cool. Like, if they wanted something to do with me, You made the decision, like I said, you made decisions giving me away. You got to make a decision to get back in my life.
Starting point is 00:31:27 And it ain't for me to go searching for that shit. Yeah. Because I was raised on love. Like, I was raised by some stand-up women and men, so I don't really feel the need to, like, undo that. And then I also understand, too, is just like, shit, that was a decision that was made. But that decision paved away for me. Yeah. And I'm good when I'm at.
Starting point is 00:31:49 Like, I'm also, you know, this before my soul. social media and anything, too. So it's like, these decisions I'm making in isolation for, you know what I mean? So I had a lot of time to think about this shit. And I'm very, like, I'm very comfortable and confident in my decision. So I don't really think about that.
Starting point is 00:32:09 So, like, yeah, when my mother passed, my mother passed 2019, of course, like my father was like, yeah, man, you know what I'm saying? I kind of pressed them on it. Like, what's up? Because, you know what I'm saying? I know y'all was holding it down for her because she don't play no games. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:25 So, but my mother had, like, womb issues and stillborns and miscarriages and shit like that. So, I was a bit blessing for her. Yeah. So, like, when I'm a, yeah, man, once I get that part of the information, it's like, man, I'm a blessing to this woman, bro. Right. Yeah, I'm not going to go fuck them folks. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:42 Yeah. I feel you on that because I have, like, a similar situation, too, because I'm adopted as well. and I always felt like I was whole too, but it was always still something in me that wanted to know. I wanted to know who it was. I wanted to know who they were. I wanted to know what they...
Starting point is 00:33:02 It was just so many different things, what they looked like, maybe with their personality. But I still loved my parents. You know what I mean? They raised me, and they gave me a very great life, too, and I was raised on love as well, but it was just always a void that I felt like what was me saying. I get what you saying as far as, like, the rejection,
Starting point is 00:33:17 because I feel like that's a relationship that me and my biological mom have. Like, we don't really, I actually grew up around her my whole life, but we don't really have much of a relationship and it's because of her. So it's interesting. Like, being adopted is just a very complex thing
Starting point is 00:33:33 that I think most people don't really understand unless they've been through it because you have so many different emotions around it. For me, too, so you got to think, if my mom and daddy dark skin, brown skin, grandparents, like all my siblings. It's like, all right, somebody, I'm an odd, man, I'm a little fucking. And, you know, when you're a kid, little kids, like, you're around all your cousins
Starting point is 00:33:56 and shit, they're going to say something like, my little cousin would be like, why are you white, bro? Like, what's that with you? Right. But we're children, you know what I'm saying? Children are going to say the blood, right thing. Yeah. I think more than anything, it was a very, like, south spot from my mom.
Starting point is 00:34:12 I ain't going to say she was right. I don't feel like she was right, but I didn't process my aunt. anger around that. But she didn't tell you. Yeah, but I think for me, the liberation of it was, like, knowing that I wasn't crazy. Nika, I always knew that. Y'all was in her line. That I was different, yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Yeah. And so, like. When did you find out? She passed May 2019. I found out June, 2019. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:39 Yeah. But I'm telling you, this something, this, you know, through observation, I'm smart enough to realize, like, two and two gone equal four this ain't you know i only act like y'all for real so um and the whole time i ain't i didn't think i was a doctor i just think i thought i had a different daddy told you i'm weird oh you thought she was lying by your daddy yeah for sure but i do feel like kids are intuitive that way too because my parents told me when i was like four that i was adopted so i knew my whole life but my mom and my dad would never tell me who it was but as i got older i knew it was somebody in my family because i started to look like my god
Starting point is 00:35:15 cousin, it ended up happening. It ended up happening to be her. Let me ask y'all a question. Do y'all feel like you wanting a relationship with your father or your biological father or mother, or even if you wanted a relationship with your biological parents, do you all feel like that would be kind of like betraying the parents who raised you? Is that kind of something that holds you back? That ain't that decision to me. Yeah, it's nice. You know, I'm grown. I'm an autonomous. I can have a relationship with these folks of all want. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:45 Because at the end of the day, they still are a part of my story. You can see the anxiety on your parents' face when you start talking about it, though. Because they don't want you to, you know, you got to think about how big a sacrifice it is for somebody to take on somebody's life. Yeah. You know, I think that a little bit of it is a little selfish on their part, but it's, you know, rightfully. So, like, I raised you, it's kind of like one of those ego things. Like, man, fuck down, they could have stepped up and been your thing. Right, yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:13 But I think, you know, the way my dad. dad kind of pushed it to me, he was like, he was like, I want you to remember, like, I'm your dad. Like, no matter what you find out. I was like, nigga, I know that. Yeah. I'm called you and asked you. Right.
Starting point is 00:36:25 What I'm saying? Well, I'm like, you know what? You know what? You know what I'm like, what? You know what I'm saying? But I think, yeah, I think it's very complex because it's very emotional, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:36:35 They didn't see me literally out of the womb. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, I think for my mom, I think as time passed on, it was just harder and harder for her to rap her mind around, like, breaking that news to me. Even though I had been saying something. You know what I'm saying? I've been saying some of a little boy.
Starting point is 00:36:52 But I think the most liberating part was like, damn, I knew I were right. You know what I'm saying? Like, okay, cool. I'm good, no. I ain't crazy. Yeah. I could overly trust myself now. Because that was the biggest complex that came from that is not really being able to trust my intuition or, like, my thoughts.
Starting point is 00:37:08 Or, like, damn, I'm all, like, ill-informed about this. Like, is the things I feel inside real? because I think this very strongly about this situation and they keep telling me I'm wrong about it and so like, you know, all my family got smoked from that shit because I was like, y'all niggas are complicit, y'all are a gazzling nigga for 30 years down there. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:37:26 That's so great. I was like, so late. I was like, I can't believe you found out so late. So late, yeah. Yeah, but I mean, you know, my mom, like a matriarch of the family. Yeah. She's very important. Nobody wanted to go against her.
Starting point is 00:37:36 And then I think it's a complex thing. Like, you know, I can't make them decisions for people. I can't undo them decisions. And I think a lot of times with women, we don't address, like, how, you know, how, like, touchy and vulnerable, they can be around, like, having womb issues. I mean, that's how they make us feel.
Starting point is 00:37:56 If you are a woman because we can bear children. You know what I'm saying? If you are meant to create life, so it's like if you can't, they all, if you are a certain age and you don't have children, oh, what's wrong with her? Yeah. I think the thing is, it's like that caused a big fractal.
Starting point is 00:38:11 in my parents' relationship, which eventually ended up in them being divorced. So I think, yeah, man, you know, I'm real, like, put myself in other people's shoes type person. It took me a long time to get up. Yeah. But I think I was mature enough when I found out that I could, like, really process the situation in full, like.
Starting point is 00:38:31 But I also didn't shy away from my anger about the shit either. And, like, you know, I have family members I literally just started back talking to. Same. I stopped talking to a lot of people, too. when I initially found out who my biological mom was. Y'all, y'all don't support shit. Y'all niggins. I can't play with my life like that, bro?
Starting point is 00:38:46 Because how can y'all keep this secret from me? Like, and you just feel like, damn, is everybody conspired? Because how everybody else knew this shit? And I'm the only one in the dark about it, you know? And that means. You know what I'm saying? I go in the other room. It's like, hey, stop talking about that.
Starting point is 00:38:59 Yeah, yeah, be quiet when you walk in the room. Yeah. But I definitely felt a certain level of, in the beginning, when my dad first passed away, I actually got connected to my biological dad, and I did a little bit feel like it was me betraying my dad, even though he had already passed away. But now I'm in a space where I realize, like you said, this is my decision, it's my life.
Starting point is 00:39:21 I'm not doing anything wrong by wanting to know more about that side of myself. And I think that us is like people that are adopted, like you should remove that guilt. And then I felt guilt as far as with my mom as well because she had one issues too. So she couldn't bear children of her own. And I always felt like I was like her miracle baby. and because of that, she's super overprotective of me.
Starting point is 00:39:44 And at times I felt like she didn't really want me to have the relationship with them because she felt like it would be them taking me away from her. Yeah, and that's a fear around it for them. Because, you know what I'm saying, like my mother had a, like, she had a stillborn. She had had miscarriages. You got to think, like, I finally got, I got a baby. That's how you ever want a little baby. And then, you know, my auntie was like, she was determined to have a child.
Starting point is 00:40:11 named Deontay in their world. You know what I'm saying? She already had your name, big time. Already, you know what I'm funny? That's funny. But I think I have to be mindful of, you know, like what her state of mind was going through that. Like, even with your mom, it's like, yeah, man, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:40:30 This is something that I, like, again, to your point about the pressure to feel feminine and that being relying on you being able to bear children. this is a very complex shit. And I think that just donating it to one thing or another, it's just like, it undermined the complexity of the situation for all people involved. And I think for me,
Starting point is 00:40:51 another thing that I find solace is, is like, you know, I could have been in the foster curse of stuff. Yeah, me too. And like, you know. Or abortee. You did. Hard to kill me.
Starting point is 00:41:03 I'm hard to kill, man. They couldn't get rid of me, man. Right. You know what? But. Y'all, I have to tell you. y'all this story. Because I think it's so crazy that nobody
Starting point is 00:41:13 in y'all's family told y'all my older sister had a friend. I'm not going to say who. Now, tell everything. No, listen, my older sister had a friend and she had a younger sister, so me and the younger sister would hang out, her and the older sister were friends. So they were kind of like the Brady bunch.
Starting point is 00:41:29 You know, they were a blended family. So the friend, the younger sister that was my friend, it was like the mom had her kids, he had his kids, and when they got together, they had my friend, right? Right. But, like, one day, like, my sister,
Starting point is 00:41:44 and the older ones were talking, and it came out that the younger sister, it wasn't her dad for real. So I was like, oh, you know, that's not your daddy. You said that. I told. But I'm young. So you always been messy.
Starting point is 00:41:55 I've been messy for a long. That's crazy. That's why I'm like, I'm so, like, the fact that y'all little cousins. No, but it was such a big deal. But nobody in my, like, none of my cousins that were around the same age as me and stuff, none of them knew.
Starting point is 00:42:09 And an adult wasn't going to come and tell me that. Look, them niggins was keeping the secrets close. But I think as black community in general, like, we got to stop out of secret of shit. Yeah. Because I think, you know, you're causing, you don't know when this is going to become a family problem. Right. You know what I'm saying? And I think the thing is just like, we owe people the truth.
Starting point is 00:42:29 Like, you don't get the control or dictate the truth about somebody else's. And I think more than anything, it's a bunch of adults thinking about themselves and not how it's a affecting a child. And this is also, you know what I'm saying, not to get in my goddamn cooofy bag, but this is things that we've been dealing with in this country for a very long time is keeping secrets to protect. And like, at some point they go beyond protection and they go into like just negligence. Like, yeah, you don't, you got to think about how you affect other people. And I think, you know, children are autonomous beings too. Like, they deserve the truth. You know what I'm saying? Because you're shaping their life in one way or the
Starting point is 00:43:09 whether you shape it with a truth or a lie. And then when they act out, you're going to blame them instead of blaming yourself. That shit crazy to me. Yeah, and I think a lot of parents be doing their children a disservice by not being honest with them about certain things because when they become adults and then they do find out the truth, they might not want to have a relationship with you. That part. And they'll be justified in that decision.
Starting point is 00:43:29 But also, too, you know, we've got to think about these children are going to go into the world and be adults. How is this shaping their relationship with the world? You know what I'm saying? How is this shaping their relationship with other relationships? Being trusting you. They can't trust nobody. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:43:45 Everything a motherfucker like, let's say I find a woman in my motherfucking dreams. And I can't trust her because of these motherfuckers. Because you can't even trust your mama. I can't trust my motherfucker more. You understand what I'm saying? It's like people got to take themselves out of situations that's not going to directly affect them. Even if you as the parents, you is directly affected, the impact that's going to have on a child is much greater.
Starting point is 00:44:06 Yeah. Because this is the decision you made, you know, you know, You know, I wouldn't say to make yourself whole. It could be benevolent. You could see this child in a bad situation. I want to get them out. At the end of the day, that's the extent of your service, though. You don't get to dictate the truth of their life.
Starting point is 00:44:21 Usually people are making those decisions for their own selfish reasons, though, because more specifically in my situation, my biological grandparents made the decision for my mom because my mom was a minor. So they made the decision that they made to cover their own eggs. So I'm saying? Because they didn't want people to know that. And when I was at the church talking about.
Starting point is 00:44:40 Talking about it. Because she was underage. My mom was 12 when she got pregnant with me. She had me at 13. So, yeah. I'd be shocked every time I hear it, bitch. Yeah, and they hid her whole pregnancy from my whole family.
Starting point is 00:44:51 Nobody in my family knew except for, like, the people involved. So a lot of my family found out with it. Yeah. Yeah, that's younger. They could still go out and have a time together. Even right in the same. 34, she's 46. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:45:06 Yeah. You got to, y'all are cool, though? Y'all, y'all. I mean, we... Well, we grew up around each other because her mom is my mom's sister. My mom that raised me. Her mom is my mom's sister. Basically, your auntie. Right, so my mom that raised me is technically my great-grandma.
Starting point is 00:45:25 Great-unty, sorry. And then her sister is my grandmother. Hergerger. Right. So I grew up around my cousins. You know what I'm saying? Get a little tricky. You get a little stinky. I don't want to know what these folks got going on. I ain't going to... Whatever niggas doing in North Carolina, that's they been. I am weak at a hell.
Starting point is 00:45:44 You know what I'm saying? If you're a nigga in Concord, North Carolina, you look similar to me, similar to me. I let your folks, man. You said all your cousins and, like, everybody around you was, like, brown skin or dark skin, right? So I don't mean to be messy.
Starting point is 00:45:56 I'm just really wondering. Do you feel like that's why you be going so hard to be, like, pro-black, because you've got to prove yourself? I think a lot of people think that, but it's like, this is my community, bro. Yeah. You know what I care about this shit
Starting point is 00:46:06 just like anybody else. It ain't never really been. And, man, bro, you know, I went through, it's dark-skinned people that get roasted the same way I got roasted for being light-skinned. Yeah. So, like, we all went through trial and error. It was really about how you responded to shit.
Starting point is 00:46:20 And, like, in my neighborhood, I grew up in our black neighborhood. It's like working class black folks and shit, you got a niggas that's business owners, you got a nigga that's drug dealers, you got jays, and you got great people. You know what I'm saying? It's a very variety of blackness in my neighborhood growing up. So, like, I ain't never felt left-off.
Starting point is 00:46:38 Out of art, man. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I just always, I always cared about my people. These my folks. You know what I'm saying? I don't need a reason. I think there is, like, some privilege that I experience that people, that darker, the darkest-skinned people won't experience, especially men.
Starting point is 00:46:58 Yeah. That'll be a little bit more criminalized before I am. Yeah. But I always just kind of like, shit, use that finesse. I'm fincing white folks, too. Fuck down. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:07 These my folks, because at the end of the day, soon as I say, something you don't like, you're going to treat me like a nigga like them. That's true. Forget what? We're going to get down together. See, that's funny because that's actually our first topic. Like, why are light-skinned people so pro-Black? Do you think it's because of historical trauma, or do you feel like it's sometimes out of fear of proximity to whiteness?
Starting point is 00:47:26 I think it's because of colorism. I think we're just more prone to listen to light-skinned folks. Because I see two sides of it because I sometimes see like. Oh, my shit up. Light-skinned people being like. Hold on, can I... Go ahead. It's Big Cat.
Starting point is 00:47:41 He probably wanted to say, hey to y'all. Okay. Because he ain't, his ass asleep. Wake your ass up. Hey, Big Cat. Okay. We got a cat, too, at 85 Sox. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:53 Shout out to Cat. Shout out to Cat. What y'all talk about, bro? We do. Say, what's up, then. Beef and it's like, What's up, nigger? Where you at?
Starting point is 00:48:05 Hey. What's up? That's what I called for. Too late. Too late. You missed it. Exactly what I called for. Hey, how you doing?
Starting point is 00:48:15 Good. We sitting here with Deontes. Hey, don't start that shit, bro. You missed it. You missed it. Hey, how you doing? Good. We in here turning up.
Starting point is 00:48:32 That's all right. That's okay. Next time. All right, son. I told you, nigg. Yeah. Yeah, stop burning the midnight oil, Nick. I'm waiting.
Starting point is 00:48:42 You know what I'm? All right. I'm Bailey Taylor. It's a girl. I'm Bailey Taylor, and this is it girl. You may know me from my It Girl series I've done on the streets of New York over the years. Well, I've got good news. I am bringing those interviews and many more to this podcast.
Starting point is 00:49:01 Yes, we will talk about the style and the success, but we are also talking about the pressure, the expectations, and the real work with the women's share. shaping culture right now. As a woman in the industry, you're always underestimated. So you have to work extra hard and you have to push the narrative in a way that doesn't compromise who you are in your integrity. You know, I like to say I was kind of like a silent ninja.
Starting point is 00:49:23 Each week, I have unfiltered conversations with female founders, creatives, and leaders to talk about ambition, visibility, and what it really takes to build something meaningful in the public eye. Because being a Nick Girl isn't about the spotlight, it's about owning it. I think the negatives need to be discussed and they need to be discussed and they need to be told to people who maybe don't do this every day, just so they know what's really going on. I feel like pulling the curtain back is important. Listen to It Girl with Bailey Taylor on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:49:54 Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom-loving and different perspectives, and I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood. A son and Venus and Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different
Starting point is 00:50:35 houses and different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want to chart-side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, this episode is a must listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that follow. revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in so-ins, correct?
Starting point is 00:51:20 I doctored the test ones. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfected. They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg Lespian and Michael Margini. My mind was blown.
Starting point is 00:51:39 I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Good people. What's up? What's up? It's Quest. love. So recently, I had the incredible opportunity to have a real conversation with
Starting point is 00:52:15 actress and producer, Jamie Lee Curtis, ahead of the release of her new thriller series, Scarpetta. I can honestly say I've never done an interview like that before. You know, at one point I shut my laptop down. And we just started chatting as old friends, recent Oscar recipient. So we have some commonality there. I predicted that, by the way. And you said these words to me, dust off your mantle. Yes. And I looked at you and I said, what? And you said, dust off your mantle. And then I left and that was it. And then when all of that happened, I remember the next morning, I think I wanted to like write you and go, how did you know? Listen to the Questlove show on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Starting point is 00:54:07 So I was saying Like I see two sides of it Because sometimes I see like Light Skin people will be like Oh we were treated differently Because I'm so beautiful And I'm so light skin And like y'all don't understand
Starting point is 00:54:20 The struggle of being light skin Because y'all be treating me like this because, oh, my gosh, I can't help it. I have green eyes and I have this soft three-bee hair. Oh, the struggle. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, sometimes it's kind of like, it's a little disconnect.
Starting point is 00:54:34 I think there's an aspect of this where we don't look at it from all sides. We just look at it from the vantage point that maybe make us the most comfortable or best suit the narrative that racism and colorism affect everybody, all black people. So just like you have a dark-skinned black person that hate black people, you have a dark-skinned black person that love their blackness.
Starting point is 00:54:54 You have a light-skinned black person that hate black people. You're going to have a light-skinned person that love blackness. Same thing going to go with mixed folks. Same thing will go with everybody. It's a very, it affects us all in different ways. You understand what I'm saying? The way it makes some niggas militant is the same way it makes some niggas timid and dorsal.
Starting point is 00:55:09 Yeah. So it's going to affect everybody in different ways. I think that, of course, if you look at, if you're going to look at the Civil Rights Movement, if you're going to look at Black Panther Movement, black empowerment movements at all, it's always going to be men-centered first. A lot of times you're going to be lighter-skinned men,
Starting point is 00:55:27 your Malcolm X's, your Hughie P. Newton's, but you're also going to have your Stokewarkley-Margles. You're going to have women that's listening to, but not your darker-skinned women. You're going to have your Angela Davis's and woo-woo. But it's going to exist in, like, a spectrum of things. I'm Rosel. I mean, but that's what they say.
Starting point is 00:55:44 They put Rosa in the front, and this is no discrediting her. But it was a darker-skinned woman that actually took that play, You know what I'm saying? So I think that black people are always having PR in mind, too. Mm-hmm. We always want to, like, kind of dictate the way we're perceived. And, you know, that shit come with your own colorist bias
Starting point is 00:56:05 or your own internalized racism and anti-blackness. I'm going to speak like this even if niggas didn't know me. So the thing is, it's like, yeah, shit. I mean, nigga, I love our community. I love our people. I love myself. So, you know, I ain't shy about expressing that. And then, you know, if you want to cycle analyzing and get to, like, whatever the deeper meanings is, then we can go down that road, too.
Starting point is 00:56:30 But it's like, for me, I just don't know no different. I just always felt like this conversation was so stupid and low vibrational and redundant because, again, we're all black people. And we're not going to see here and act, like, as African Americans here in the United States. All of our blood is not pure. Every single one of them. Ain't a monoracial black people. Right. It's not.
Starting point is 00:56:49 This is why I mentioned Thomas Jefferson children earlier. Right, right. Because we know that, like, famously, this nigga loved black women. Right. Loved loosely. I agree. Fetishized and whatever the case may be. But see, here the thing, right?
Starting point is 00:57:02 Okay. It's like, that's like, why is it always, that'd be the same. It'd be crazy if you ask, like, why is it always dark-skinned people that love black people so much? Or fight so hard for black people. It's like, that makes sense, right? As light-skinned people, but then if we both in the room, we both get called a nigger, then what's the difference? It's not. It's not.
Starting point is 00:57:20 And I think, like, people only take it as a bad thing coming from lighter-skinned people because with darker-skinned people, they feel like, oh, you're more black. But in reality, we all black. We're all black, but they feel like y'all are more in proximity to white needs. Okay, yeah, but if I was going big and Uncle Tom in this shit,
Starting point is 00:57:39 they'd be like, see, this is a light-skinned shit. It's like, right. You can't win. So it's like, why fight it? I understand racism, colonialism, imperialism, colorism. I know all the isms,
Starting point is 00:57:51 nigger. So if we want to get into that conversation, we can. But we also got to be mindful of, like, how these things affect us and how we project the way they affect us, too. So, you know what I'm saying? Whatever the case may be,
Starting point is 00:58:05 I don't really get caught up in, like, the while I ain't never thought about this shit. I ain't, like, bro, a nigger really think that I was like, you know, I'm dark skin, I got to prove my blackness. This is crazy. Because you know this is when they, when they do this?
Starting point is 00:58:17 You know, a lot of these... My brothers and sisters. I love somebody to just be black. I love talking like this. This is crazy. This one, a nigga know I'm trying to play ball. Oh, shit. When I get serious.
Starting point is 00:58:29 Look. Don't, I'm getting serious when I go here with it. You know what I'm saying? Or this one right here? Let me start doing that because you're already saying I'm in a Luminati. But I think, I think really, really more than anything, it's like, I never had this conversation with myself. Yeah. A lot of things that people reject it on me, it's like, damn, I ain't never.
Starting point is 00:58:49 I'm talking about that shit. Let me ask you this, because this kind of goes back to what we were talking about earlier and the honesty with your children. Are you going to tell your children that biologically they have a white grandmother? They know. Oh, they already know. As soon as I found out, I told them. I tell my kids everything.
Starting point is 00:59:02 Okay. So, like, that's the thing. It's like, I got to stand on the same shit that I believe in. Okay. I'm so, like, my oldest son, he's been diagnosed artistic since he was four. We never tried to dance around that conversation with him. We told them straight up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:17 And we told him, like, you're going to show up differently in the world. and that's okay. And we're going to work through these things that you show up through differently if this is something you feel like you want to work on. Yeah. But if, like, I'm always encouraging my kids to just be completely themselves. So I think a lot of times when, you know, one thing I ain't ever want to be is a nigga that rides so hard for the community, but I'm a bad dad.
Starting point is 00:59:39 I hate a bad daddy. Yeah, bad dads. See, my younger days, I love the bad daddy because that means you had time for me. And my good coochie. Very selfish farlet. And we was outside. I didn't give a damn. That's hard of behavior. Yes. I mean, I'm not going to like that. I don't like. I was young.
Starting point is 00:59:55 I was young. I'm like, oh, he want to take me out on a trip. He wanted to do this thing. I don't, I didn't give it down. I didn't care. I didn't ask. But now it's like, that drive the coochier. But you're a bad father. Oh, yeah. Of course now. But can I, can I be show up for your kids? Eventually, that's how you're going to show up with me. Well, the thing is, too, is like, the act that we're engaging in is how I got these kids in the perfect. Right. But let me, can I ask y'all. You're my next victim. I'm going to ask y'all a question. Bring me a single mother.
Starting point is 01:00:24 Right. I'm going to ask you all a question about the kids in the second. Because this is, I want to ask both of y'all something. But in the meantime, introduce yourself, my girl, and tell us what we're drinking today. And give us a little background that people want to know that you are. Yes. Okay, okay, a little background.
Starting point is 01:00:38 Well, hey, everybody. My name is Aynes. But I was referred by title. Here is. Being tired with cool people. Okay, now. We good, we good. A little bit about me.
Starting point is 01:00:48 You know, I'm a local cocktail. sell dealer here. I also go by the Agave Princess. I'm all things tequila. Ooh. That is why she made their drink. So, let's get too much. My wife. Yeah, yeah. Let's make it. So when I heard yesterday that he was a repo guy. Uh-huh. I'm thinking upon myself, I made this a little.
Starting point is 01:01:03 It's called the Southern Spark because y'all sparking shit up. Okay. Okay. That's, you know. I like that. And we're in the South. Oh, uh-huh. There are a little Repo, a little ginger beer, some guava, some pineapple, kept it cute, capy tropical, and a good sip, good vibe. I love it. That's what I'm here. Well, it's delicious.
Starting point is 01:01:17 It is delicious. I'll take another one. I got you. You want another one? I got a little special potion in mine. Yeah, she got a little one here too, though. He on the way. So, before we get to the next topic, I do want to ask y'all this. I saw somebody talking about this, and I thought it was interesting. They said, people don't realize that the reason why a lot of black women are dissed
Starting point is 01:01:39 and being, we are talked bad about in other cultures and in our own culture, why? Because we're not married, we're single and we're baby mothers. but they're like this is all has to do with our proximity with black men. So how do y'all feel about that conversation of like people, every time they diss a black woman, it has something to do with a black men not marrying us, black men not stepping up and being good fathers, and things that have to do with that?
Starting point is 01:02:06 I'm going to say this, right? So the world sees the world through the lens of white people because of colonialism. So who created this like Puritan? monogamous culture. Now, I'm not feeling to see her in Cape, like, niggas need all these wives. That ain't what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:02:24 What I'm saying is, like, the standard of marriage in our relationship to women is the, it was given example to us from white people and how they related to their women. Right. So we know white niggas hate their women,
Starting point is 01:02:36 low-key. You know what I'm saying? Like, the only thing that, I mean, black men had the right to vote before white women. That'd tell you a lot about this country. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:45 They tell you a lot about white men in general. Right. I think for me we do need to be more mindful of like family structure, family breakdown how we do those things, but we also got to be mindful that we was doing all that shit before crack. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:01 Crack! I always say this is the issue. That shit broke everything down. I keep... The reason, I'm going to sound like a broken record, but I'm telling you that war on drugs destroyed literally every facet of our community. I'm not saying baby mommas didn't exist before then, but I'm pretty sure they exist.
Starting point is 01:03:17 it's at the same rate they do for everybody else. I think we talk about our businesses. We talk about everything. Every aspect of our neighborhood and our community, we were. Like, reconstruction, niggas was thriving. Yes, thriving under the threat of Jim Crow and constant violence from white people.
Starting point is 01:03:34 Thriving under the threat of being thrown in prison for the rest of your life to work on a train gun or be harmed for having too much. Thriving under the threat of I own all this land and a white man could just come over here and kill me and take my shit. Still thriving. Okay, free market capitalism is white people's all.
Starting point is 01:03:51 Oh, it's the free market, free market, until black people build a Wall Street. Now we're going to drop bombs in America because black people are doing too good. It's always when we catch on, she's shoes. Yeah, but what I think the thing is is that when we left alone, they don't know how to leave us alone
Starting point is 01:04:05 because when we left alone, we build. And we do our thing, and we do for each other. And I think the biggest thing about colonialism is that it needs to be in your business. Yeah. And the only way to be in your business is to constantly disrupt your business. So I think for me, I don't really, if you're only going to talk about the effects of things and not the causes, I don't really want to have no conversation with you because everything, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:04:30 Like you go to therapy today. If you start therapy right now, what's the first thing they're going to want to address your childhood? Yeah. Because they're going to want to get into the root causes of this behavior. So if we want to get into the, like, if we want to look at the behavior of black people, what are the causes? And these are the effects of these behaviors. You can't tell a community that was ravished by a drug that took mothers out the home, fathers out of home, incarcerated them make moms like black moms. The standard of mothers in America raising white people babies now are bad mothers.
Starting point is 01:05:02 Y'all are tripping, bro. I don't want to, I don't be wanting to hear that shit. But I think a lot of times, too, it's just like we also need to be, that's not an excuse. Okay. If we don't talk about the causes of the behavior, then we want to fix the behavior because, then we'll just make excuses. But I think for me, if we know the root causes, then we have to fix the behaviors
Starting point is 01:05:22 even if we're living in the effects. Like, oh, my daddy wasn't there, so what? Be there for your children. Or don't have children. That's what we need to talk about. We do. And we were definitely just set up to fail here in America. It's just so many instances where not only were people doing the drugs
Starting point is 01:05:40 in our community, but also in the early 90s, you had so many young black men going to jail for having small amounts of weed on them and they were giving them life sentences. They're having some of my dad. Some of my biological dad. And now they own a dispensary.
Starting point is 01:05:54 Yeah, they're billionaires. Now it's legal. This is the thing, man. I don't be giving a fuck about what folks got to say about us. Because, like, obviously a lot of the criticism is not rooted in love and it's rooted in this better-than-black people mentality. Right. And, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:06:16 if that's going to be like the way you approach it, I don't really got no talk for you like that. I'm more so... I want to build with people who want to build. I want to build with builders. I don't want to build with niggas who look at the structure and be like, you know what, we should tear that down and do it different.
Starting point is 01:06:31 Yeah. And niggas, shut up. You aren't even here when we build this shit. You know what I'm saying? But I think more than anything, we have to always be mindful of the historical aspect of who we are. All these great culture,
Starting point is 01:06:43 all these great characteristics that come from our community is also rooting a lot of trauma. And like our response is to trauma, but also like a lot of times our response to trauma be community. And we don't live in that aspect now because we live in a simulation of community because we got these
Starting point is 01:06:59 phones. Yeah. It's these motherfucking phones. I'm telling you. Yeah. And speaking of trauma, let's talk about it. But a second topic, let's talk about black men's preferences in dating younger women and how it is affecting the black community. And how
Starting point is 01:07:13 it is affecting the black community. in a black household. Talk about it. I feel like, and I'm going to use myself as an example, right? In my head, not in my head how I move in the world,
Starting point is 01:07:28 I'm cream of the crop. Right. I'm a great catch. And I know that, but that's because I'm sure within myself and my community and how I feel.
Starting point is 01:07:39 You know what I'm saying? I know the value in myself. But when I get online and I'm popping my, and I'm talking, I'm having fun with my home girl, and we're successful women. It's men in the comments like, oh, but she's single, she's not married. She don't have no kids. This is why you got to get them when they're 22, 23.
Starting point is 01:07:58 And it'll be a 40-year-old man saying this. A 40-year-old man who should, I should be the type of woman that he's trying to court. But instead, you're like, this is you's baggage. She's used. She's dirt. Let me go get a 22-year-old. Okay, well, here's the thing. you want somebody young and dumb because then you come out of them into being like the type of woman,
Starting point is 01:08:21 like that perfect whatever that don't question me, don't challenge me, not help me accountable. A grown woman and I took care of herself went through her own trials in AAA. It was a different standard. And I may expect you to be on the same grown-up standard as me. And our culture infantilizes black men. So when we're talking about mass incarceration of black men, these men is going to be. in the prison from anywhere from 15 to 24. And when you go in, you're not acclimated to society,
Starting point is 01:08:50 so you also are not becoming an adult the same way niggas on the street is becoming adults. Street culture is very infantilized. What they tell you about, hip-hop, all this shit is geared towards the attention of young people. So you got niggas that's 40 years old that still dress like a 20-year-old. Ooh, I hate to see it in a mirror.
Starting point is 01:09:07 But you understand what I'm saying? What? You got a cane? And you got a mirror on? Change! Let me shout it up with her legs, too. Take it off. Can I shout it up with this?
Starting point is 01:09:15 You in a fucking, you got a walker with tennis balls at the end of it. The thing is that... But you think you got that shit on. It's not necessarily like, I'm not putting niggas down. I just need to understand what the situation is. Like, you've been infantilized. So you haven't been held to an expectation to grow at the same rate as other men in this society. Right.
Starting point is 01:09:36 Most men at 35 is thinking about family. It's thinking about business. It's thinking about structural things towards the future. and not thinking about what their relationship to young women is. I don't even want to talk to a woman that don't got a three in her age. Come on now. I'm 35, bro. Like, get away from me.
Starting point is 01:09:52 You know what I'm saying? And the thing is, it's like, I understand, like, the maturity of things, 27, 28, 29. Like, yeah, we probably could hold each other attention to have a certain conversation. But then think about this, you don't got, if you don't got no kids, you ain't ever been married before, then we definitely don't got nothing to talk about. Because my experience in life is just completely different for yours. you don't got no kids, you ain't trying to be no stepmom and one of the main things
Starting point is 01:10:15 too that a lot of... I mean, but if you're talking to a woman that's my same age if she don't got kids, she might have already had this conversation like, okay, any man I meet from here for her, he's going to have kids.
Starting point is 01:10:27 If I want to be with a nigga that's a good dad, I have to take on a step-mother's row. Right, exactly. This is a thing that comes with maturity. Like, I think what the fuck? Like, I got little cousins that's 20, 21, 22.
Starting point is 01:10:40 I don't like talking to these niggas like. Right. Because it's like, it's not that I don't love them. It's just our conversation is so different. It's so different.
Starting point is 01:10:47 And so it's like, what the fuck? These predatory behavior is so normalized. Pedophiles are protected. They run in the country. Niggas that, you did what I'm saying? This is a protected class of people. Hey, I'm wishing when you were right.
Starting point is 01:11:01 It's a protected class of people. We don't talk about the amount of little boys and little girls that are molested when they're growing up and protect it and got to be around these niggas that did this shit to them or women. that did this shit to them and everybody acting like ain't nothing happened.
Starting point is 01:11:14 So when you see a nigga talking like that he understand how normalized predatory behavior is, of course, like he, it's legal. You did what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:11:23 So a nigga look at that like, well, I ain't saying nothing wrong. She's 22. She's grown. Nigel, you know better than that. And that's what I was going to say.
Starting point is 01:11:29 What you were doing at 22? Right. And that's what I was going to say. To me it's like borderline a predatory fetish because at the end of the day, what do you want with a woman?
Starting point is 01:11:39 He was going to take that shit down. I'm ready to talk about this shit. I was like, this is a great episode, guys. The 37 men. What do you want with a woman that's significantly younger than you? And I feel like a lot of those men, they typically love to say, oh, it's a fertility thing. These things are a liar. Right, because the myth has been dispelled that after 35, you can't still have children.
Starting point is 01:12:04 It's so many women who are having healthy children, healthy pregnancies, 35 plus, well-in today. So we can't use that as an excuse anymore. But not only that, they're saying, oh, but she's not fertile anymore. You got four kids already that you don't even take care of. And let's also chat about the fact that there's women in their early 20s who are not fertile. It's not about fertility. It's an excuse. Okay, so like here's the thing, right?
Starting point is 01:12:26 We got to understand that a lot of the standard of beauty in America and throughout the world is centered around whiteness and the white standard of beauty is centered around pre-probessing women. They're like a skinny, frail, hairless, hairless for whatever. reason like, man, that's why Brazilian waxies became a thing. Hold on, but I like my wax now. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? But the thing is is that a lot of, a lot of
Starting point is 01:12:49 like, rape culture, pedophilia, all this shit is normalized to the point where it's like, niggas don't think they're saying nothing wrong. They think something wrong with you for not agreeing with them. But I think for me, it's just like, it'll take other men too. See, it'd be
Starting point is 01:13:05 you got a bunch of weird niggas over here congregating and talking to each other, and they in the echo chamber of weird niggins and they think the weird shit is cool. Then when they say it in public, they're like, well, I do wrong. Yeah. No, the weird shit be normalized. We see it at the highest levels in the country. These niggas is weird.
Starting point is 01:13:22 Yeah. And I think that, yeah, man, if you don't, if you're a grown man and you don't want to deal with another grown woman and you want to start talking about fertility, nigga, like, what are you talking about? Yeah. Nigel, you got, you on high blood pressure medication. That's all I'm saying, though. Yeah, you got, you, you're working too many pills. my nigga to be worried about fertility. A little blue shoe.
Starting point is 01:13:41 Let's stop working about fertility and worry about retirement. Hello? That's what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? My nigga. Stocks and bonds, nigga. But I also think, like I said, the society has done that. I don't want to be around 40-year-old niggas still chasing bitches, bro.
Starting point is 01:13:55 Like, that's... Come on now. You're weird. Lock in, blood. Because what do they say? As men age, oh, men, they get fine with time. Men age like wine, and they try to make us feel like... And so do we.
Starting point is 01:14:08 Exactly. I feel like I look at a woman from 20 to 25 and then 30 to 35 and then 30 to 35. Yeah. That's 30 to 35 year old. It hit different. Man, I literally said that when I was on TikTok. But that's a nigga that actually like grown up women. Yeah.
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Starting point is 01:17:49 What's up? What's up? It's Questlove. So recently, I had the incredible opportunity to have a real conversation with actors and producer Jamie Lee Curtis ahead of the release of her new thriller series, Scarpetta. I can honestly say I've never done an interview like that before. At one point, I shut my laptop down.
Starting point is 01:18:08 And we just started chatting as old friends, recent Oscar recipient. So we have some commonality there. I predicted that, by the way. And you said these words to me, dust off your mantle. Yes. And I looked at you and I said, what? And you said, dust off your mantle. And then I left and that was it.
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Starting point is 01:19:10 dirt, you can get the stuff you should know think spring playlist on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I said that the other day. The legal loophole for pedophilia is there, bro, it's there. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, she's grown. She's leaked. She's, the, if a nigga
Starting point is 01:19:28 mention the age of consent, lock him up. Yeah. Lock them up. Just let them do 90 days in solitary confinement with a bunch of books. What you were saying? Well, no, I was just saying. I'm sorry, my bed. No, you good. I was just saying I was on TikTok live the other day and I actually had said that because I feel like, especially
Starting point is 01:19:44 like with me and you because we're so open about our age and stuff on the show. Whenever we be on social media, I'm sure it happened to you. So people are always trying to leave comments and call us old. When like my thing is since when did 34 and 36 become old? It's living in an infanticilized culture.
Starting point is 01:20:00 Everybody want to be young forever and nigger is coming. And the funniest part about it is majority of the time when Lex and I tell people our age, they're always shocked and think that we're significantly younger than what we say we are. So the point that I'm making is I was literally on live talking about how when I was in my early 20s, like, I definitely used to think I was cute and I was cute in my 20s. But like, it's something about when I turned 30s, that grown woman finding. It just hits you different.
Starting point is 01:20:25 And I truly feel like I look the best that I've ever looked right now. So that's-a-abs now. Period. You just got abs. I'm more focused on health and wellness. Like, just a lot of different things. You're an adult. I'm an adult. I'm grown as fuck. I'm a grown. I'm a grown-ass. I have my own bread. I got my own sense of style. I got wisdom because I have life experience. I don't care about, like, 20-year-olds is doing everything that 20-year-olds is doing. Right.
Starting point is 01:20:49 So a nigga that's 35 worried about what 20-year-olds is doing. That's weird. It's weird. You move at you. Y'all don't have nothing in common. Well, you're moving backwards, bro. You're supposed to be focused on some different shit. And for me, it's like, we really need to find, like,
Starting point is 01:21:03 we really need to find, like, the beauty and blessing in ageing. Like, everybody don't get to do this shit. Come on. We're aging and are you dying? Niggins are talk about, like, oh, they died too young. Like, bro, this is what y'all like. This is what y'all like you. Too young, you like you.
Starting point is 01:21:20 You're at the perfect age. You're 22. Yeah. Right. I'm 35. You're telling me I'm old. Yeah. And I feel like, too, like you said, going back to, like, the things they're interested in.
Starting point is 01:21:29 I feel like when me and Drea talk on the phone, we're talking about, like, how to invest our money, our next moves. She gives me tips on in the gym. Like, we talk about things that are actually important. important that. You be talking about people too sometimes. Oh, shit. Sometimes. Hey, listen, man. Now, that's 90% of the conversation. Hey, listen, man, I'm gonna keep it real, bro.
Starting point is 01:21:46 Gossip is, it's not no age. I want everybody to stop this idea that y'all not talking about other people, bro. I hate that. Oh, you hate that. Oh, you hate that she's so bad. I hate that. Oh, if you're gossiping, you ain't getting no money. I'm having a lot of money. Actually, we're doing both. And I'm talking about y'all in the comments from right now. Come on now. Yeah. I hate, I'm not gonna like, I hate that narrative.
Starting point is 01:22:07 I think that just everybody trying to like, Everybody's trying to make themselves seem like peak humans. Like, nigga, shut up. All I do is wake up in the morning. Oh, wake up in the morning. I drink my tea. I do yoga. I do that gym.
Starting point is 01:22:18 I meditate. But after that gym, I drink my mushroom coffee. Yeah, I don't even drink the coffee. I eat it. Yeah. Straight out the bag. Weight protein. I'm at the gym at 3.45 at the morning.
Starting point is 01:22:30 I didn't even sleep. Like, I hate it. I'm on my third book this morning. Yeah. Now, I do think that there's people like that. Yeah. I feel like the closest person I know that's like, that is Polydrea, but best
Starting point is 01:22:41 believe my girl when the tea is going down I think it was out of yesterday. I love some messy shit. Oh, I love some messy shit. I love when it's poverty. We are human people. We're humans. We are social. We are social. We are social creatures. A part of being social is talking about society. People is in society, nigga. I'm talking about people.
Starting point is 01:23:00 It may not be my central focus. Yeah. And also, too, it's like we just have changed a little information. You know what I'm putting you on. Hey, man. Let me die. But that's a good point, though. I think that's when it becomes a problem, though, when it's the central folk.
Starting point is 01:23:13 Yeah. Every time I call you, talking about people. Yeah. I'm not a lot. I feel like we gossip, but I feel like, honestly, a lot of times we're talking about us and ourselves.
Starting point is 01:23:23 Like, we do talk about ourselves a lot and our goals. And the people that you gossip about is connected to you. Right. It's not sure. Well, for me, a lot of the time, it do be people that's connected to me.
Starting point is 01:23:32 I don't really care that much about with strangers to get it going on. Like, bro, me and my partners would go out. Like, if we go out, Nika go out with me, especially me and Big Cat, like, we go out places and we meet and new experiences. They got a debrief, like, Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:23:44 That nigga was acting weird, right? Am I tripping? I mean, I'm not going to lie, though. Since speaking of mess, you was, like, involved in some mess. You were. On TikTok, like, it was something that happened with Jamila and the girl approached you. Oh, man, bruh.
Starting point is 01:23:59 And, you know what I'm saying? And I see Lex be knowing these types of shit that I'd be having no clue about. I don't know if I was involved. I don't know if I was involved. I involved myself. And I shouldn't have did that. But at the same time, it's like...
Starting point is 01:24:10 You was in women business? No, they put me in that shit. Okay. Why are you approaching me about my friend? They're my partner. Yeah. No, like, me and Jamila, we... Like, I'm always going to fault with Jamila.
Starting point is 01:24:20 She put me on my first panel. She's the first person to reach out of me outside of social media and put me in a room where I could actually express who I was. That shit was a big moment for me. That shit actually, like, turned me up. Right. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:24:32 She didn't have to do that. So, like, for me... And then anytime there's opportunities present, she always tried to include me. Like, that's been our whole shit. We exchanged on a business level. And I think also, like, you know, I don't think niggas know how to be...
Starting point is 01:24:47 I ain't going to say that. That's very generalized thing. What? I think we just need to normalize platonic relationships. Uh-oh. We're not talking about platonic. No, but listen, I wasn't even thinking about Cam... I'm not doing it!
Starting point is 01:24:59 No, I wasn't even think about Cam when I said that. I'm just saying, like, that's our relationship. Yeah. And I think, you know, you know, anytime I'm sitting down with women, and I start talking sensible niggas is the red pill niggas are gearing up. So after this drop, I'm gonna get great marketing.
Starting point is 01:25:14 You know what I mean? Shout out to you niggas. That's losers. That's when to talk about me and calling me a pander for the next two weeks so I'm gonna lean in. But the thing it is, is that, you know, she approached me in a weird way.
Starting point is 01:25:25 I didn't know what was going on. So it was like, why the fuck you telling me? She's all lying. She's messy. She's messy. She's messy. I just, for me, it was just like, why are you telling me that you got beef with my friend?
Starting point is 01:25:39 Uh-oh. And so I was just like, when I, I didn't know what it was about. I was working. I was booked to host a show. I know you'll be booked and busy, though, though, low-key. I would be in a little messy. You was a little messy. But I think that's okay because it was in, you were taking up for your friend.
Starting point is 01:25:55 Well, I just wanted to be a little, like, let's clarify. Yeah. Let's get the facts out there, and then everybody can really make their decisions. You know what I mean? I'm a, I'm a very, like, let's get all the information, you know? You know what I like to be well read and researched, you know what I'm saying? Let's get all the information. I think that this is, I think my perspective was an aspect that would be your left out.
Starting point is 01:26:15 Okay, that's fair. And it was lacking, there's a lot of perspective being lapped. Let me just, let's just put some texture on the story. I think you're lying a little bit, bitch. Mm-hmm. You're lying a little bit. I think you lying to my friend a little bit, I think so. Okay, that's fair.
Starting point is 01:26:28 I'll give you a quick rundown. It was a girl that was talking shit about Jamil on the internet. They seen each other in person at a party and shit got weird. That's the basis. Basically what it would. I think she came up. She gained a lot of followers talking shit about Shobbara. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:46 Which is no point out. You know what I'm saying? And I guess the whole situation would she approached her to try to, as she said, extend the olive branch. Like, how you didn't extend me an olive branch and you been talking about me? So Jamila was like...
Starting point is 01:27:02 I'm good. Cool on that. And then she went to next day and was like, Y'all. She got back on the end of the end. Yes, that's the thing. It's her thing. It's her thing.
Starting point is 01:27:10 It's all right. You got to be mindful of the content you create. Because what if you, what if you, what if you, what if you, what if you get blown? What if you blow up on the weird shit? On just that random video you wanted to make. Have you ever had a video? That would Holes be hoping, but they don't blow up off the weird shit. Uh-oh.
Starting point is 01:27:27 Majority of the time. Drake, can you imagine somebody who is giving you hell talking shit about you, then you see them at an event? They're like, hey, Jay, I just wanted to say. out-eyed. There's nothing to say. Respectfully, I think Beechis and a whole bitch when he comes to me. They do.
Starting point is 01:27:43 They ain't about the box to walk up to me after they were talking shit to me. Hold on, but when they'd walk up to you, like, look, I want to give you an opportunity. This course this. Give you the opportunity. Like, give you the opportunity. Bitch are you dumb?
Starting point is 01:27:55 Let's not linger too long because she's going to get content for a week. Yeah, fact. She's probably going to clip this. She's definitely clipping it. What y'all says, how they be putting their head and then they be having the background. Let's discuss.
Starting point is 01:28:05 Let's discuss this poor minds episode with Deonté Kyle. Deonti calls her sassy-assinger. And this is what I'm talking about. Me and win this business. Of course. I always knew this thing it was a sassy-assie-ass nigger. Right. Okay, we're going to move on.
Starting point is 01:28:19 What we got next to do? So now it's time to get into the beat. Bow. The beat. A bow. The big. Bow, bow. Bell, bell, bell.
Starting point is 01:28:28 How are you feeling? Are you having a good time? This is a vibe, bro. You know, we're chilling. Yeah, man. We got the drinks flowing. I was low to see a little salty about the little, you know what? Like, damn, bro, we can't go.
Starting point is 01:28:40 Possible about it. Boy, even. I'm weak. Okay. For the bed topic today, first of all, let me say this is sponsored by Salt X. Oh, let me say y'all something. I'm going to give y'all an updated, like, bathroom routine that I got going on because I'm going to be honest.
Starting point is 01:29:03 Salt X-O has changed the game for me. My coochie, been good. Now it's great. Okay. Shout out to Tony the Tiger, baby. And shout out to Jalisa. I'm telling you, I don't know what it is about Salt X-O, but my favorite, it just, it's like I said, it's like a mint for the coochie.
Starting point is 01:29:22 I'll always be ready and prepared. You know, I mean, I love me some Salt X-O. And again, y'all, not only do they have the full-sized bottles, but they also have the travel-sized bottles as well now. So you could take it on the go. Good coochie to go. Good cookie to go. Good cookie to go. But that's a go-bought.
Starting point is 01:29:38 They need to start using that as a slogan. Eat it up. But also, outside of just the wash, they have so many other great products that are good. Yes, you need something for the good. Well, you know, this isn't really so much for the good, but it's good for the DJ. Yeah, yeah, the whining. So I love these slippery elm pills, y'all. Like, if you know you know about slippery elm, but you have to take it consistently.
Starting point is 01:30:02 But if you take these. feels because he's can leave every day juice buy. We're gonna send you, you can use these on your balls too. Yeah, you and your wife can share. She can use it on the coochie. You can use it on the balls. Y'all can have a good, because this is what it happens. At the beginning of the night before you go out
Starting point is 01:30:15 and you use the coochie wash, by the time you get home, plus it's still fresh. Yeah, thanks. You don't even got to go run to the bathroom. I told you about using that dial soap on your coochie. You don't even got to do that. Salt X-O got you for the night. So we're going to sit.
Starting point is 01:30:27 And they have wipes as well. Wipe it up. Wipe it up. I love to wipe that coochie. And then put a little oil on so it ain't ashy. I know that's right. Okay, let's get to the topic. All right.
Starting point is 01:30:37 My bad. No, that's cool. We don't send you on with some, it's, you can walk the balls. Y'all said y'all was a genital product. Okay. So for the bad topic today, we want to talk about the difference. You know, we're being woke this episode, so we're going to keep the theme going. We want to talk about white porn versus black porn.
Starting point is 01:30:56 It's crazy to think, but everything is segregated. The club, the grocery stores. And porn. And porn. Well, I don't know. We come together in porn. No, I don't know. No fun and intended.
Starting point is 01:31:09 Nah, that should be like, that should be like, Cheer White Angel gets destroyed by Big Black. Yeah, that's how I said. I mean, I don't know, we be unified in porn. Ebony Queen gets destroyed by Big White Party. No, they'd be like ghetto black bitch. So, yeah. I'm not watching that.
Starting point is 01:31:27 segregation is alive. Get out of ebony bitch. And well. You gotta say Ebony You can't even search Black You gotta search Ebony, yeah Oh my God So white and black porn can be totally different
Starting point is 01:31:41 Usually Black bitch takes white cops I'm sorry They'd be tweaking with them titles They do Okay It's getting the attention that it needs I'm not gonna lie though
Starting point is 01:31:53 To be there We know what to type in for what we do We do Yeah then I'm programmed us to this degrading shit But I'm not gonna lie I do not like to see... First of all, I don't like men in my porn period. I don't like...
Starting point is 01:32:07 I don't like to see dick and balls. They're not cute. They're not nothing to look at. I felt it a little solo Vish. You know what I'm saying? I like a little solo doing their thing. I like to see women on women. But honestly, I would rather see a black woman.
Starting point is 01:32:22 I do. Give me my segregated porn. This is what we fought for. Yeah. Keep it segregated. Some things need to say, segregate. Everybody feel that way, you know what I'm saying? You know? That why they do they do that
Starting point is 01:32:35 shit. I don't know if this was quite what we fought for. Yes, we did. Oh yeah, I ain't I got to say we fought for this specifically. But, you know what I'm saying? Porn wasn't even a thing yet. It wasn't. But what, like the 70s? Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like something about... You know what, niggas is
Starting point is 01:32:50 freaked out. As soon as a motion picture came, it's like, we should fuck on time. And then, they have... And they have... And they're playing their music. Ooh, you know to be... Dreo on a beat, home. I can know that right.
Starting point is 01:33:06 No, when you be watching porn, you be on a different beat. But no, listen. I miss music and porn because, like... You say what? Porn was good at 1896. I'm telling you, niggas is freaky, man.
Starting point is 01:33:20 Niggas was like, man, I ain't need pictures some titty, man. What's up? Yeah. We're trying to show these tities. Who's one of these harlots? A harlots. Get this bitch some shillings, man.
Starting point is 01:33:29 Man, I know that 1896 porn was funky. I know that everyone was funky. Did y'all watch Game of Thrones? Yeah. Do you know that a nigga at some point in human history have traded a goat for some pussy? Ooh. And I like a little goat.
Starting point is 01:33:44 That would have been me. I was giving it up for that goat. What? You can do a lot with some goat. Milk? Stew. Curry. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:33:52 I mean, there's only one goat. You got to get what you can. That's a lot. I mean, you know. But it's something about white porn. You eat good, though. It's something about white porn that just doesn't give it up for me. I don't like the word cock.
Starting point is 01:34:04 I kind of like that word. It's too... It's very, like, it's just funny. Cot gives too close to ER for me. Oh, yeah. It sounds like me. Yes. Really?
Starting point is 01:34:17 Yes. I do not like it. What if you was fucking nigger? He was like, yeah, you like that cock. You're going to jail. You're going to... No. It's all.
Starting point is 01:34:29 You're fucking with that. No. You have to say dick. Like, it's something like... That dick. That dick. You like that dick. I'm like, yeah, that is out of you.
Starting point is 01:34:38 You know what I'm saying? I feel like, it's just a swag. And I... I don't like the whole, like, I don't like white, the white cadence of, like, fucking like... Yes!
Starting point is 01:34:49 You're like, pussy? Yes! Why is so quick? Actually, get off me, baby. They do you like... It's giving, like, rabbit. They'd be humping. They wouldn't be talking shit, man.
Starting point is 01:34:58 Yeah. I like that. It's very sexy. Like, we're very sultry in the bed. Yeah, it's a rhythm, no. Like, why do people be fucking in a rush? Yeah. Like, they ain't supposed to be doing it.
Starting point is 01:35:08 I don't like that. I can't watch it. They got somewhere to be. They do. White they can be fucking. Yes, just like that. God damn, what you thought you weren't going to get the fuck? So, I do.
Starting point is 01:35:19 They pay you to fuck up. Why you're in a rush? Right. Can I ask y'all a question? You know what? I'm never even. You know what? You're fucking on film?
Starting point is 01:35:25 They ran out of film, d'ning. I'm interested. Do you have a... No, drain hitting, Sean. Not, see you. I'm glad we're paying some of this serious and shit, and you. It's not as far. That's false.
Starting point is 01:35:38 Do you have a favorite porn star? No, that's weird. To have a favorite? Hell yeah. I'm 35. I mean, but you have somebody like... I had a favorite when I was younger, man. I'm going to tell you who it was.
Starting point is 01:35:48 Who? Pinky. I knew you were going to say Pinky. That little bit was... Yeah, she got that bad. I had, like, a couple, like, a little top five. Sophia Castello. She was five.
Starting point is 01:35:58 You had a white girl, Alexis Texas. I had a variety. Oh, I remember Alexis Texas. She got the fed of it. Alexis, Texas. You hear what I mean? Let me tell you something, brother. Hold on.
Starting point is 01:36:08 What? No, no, sir. This is before I knew who Dr. Umar was. Okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? Do you have a favorite born star? I never ask you this. I don't.
Starting point is 01:36:18 Not currently. No, but like, back in the day, it was this lady. I think her name was, what was her name? Lacey. Lacey Duval? Yes. She turned in a girl. I think I was a young gunner.
Starting point is 01:36:29 Yeah, of course she's black. Okay, I had to ask. Yeah. Had to make sure. She has some big-a-titties, boy. She has some big fake-haired tipped. So I'm like, y'all. I'm not gonna lie.
Starting point is 01:36:38 You know what I was back then when black girls when black girls ain't really had a fake teeth like that. But you know what? I realized I like black women that have the fake a little. You like a little bimbo? I like a little bimbo look sometimes. Because it gives like you are a whore. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:53 You are a slut. And that's what I want to see. Yes, that's what I want to see. Yes. That's what I want. Hey, bro, look, this your profession. Do these. Do it well.
Starting point is 01:37:01 You need to go in. I need you to be a real whore. I need you to look like a slut. I'm not here for amateur work. I want a professional. I want a professional. I want to be a professional this bitch. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:37:12 Yep. I like that. Y'all are to fuck a porn star? No. A porn star nigga? No. See, porn star nigg is lame. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:21 Or acting to do it. I feel like I couldn't do that. Porn star women, they'd be kind of like, T. Like, they can be T. The niggas? But niggas? They'd be a little dusty. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:32 I remember one time... Dusty, please don't bother me. I remember one time watching a porn nigga fucking in some loves. What? Exactly. That's the point we were making. We probably be wearing them
Starting point is 01:37:43 Doddyes with the spinless two remoders. That'd be five. True. True. Go on. That nigg got a little fan in this motherfuck. I just...
Starting point is 01:37:54 That nigg got a little fan. The nigg is starting to let truth. See me. That nigga, they were credit wins heard by this bitch. Fucking song serious. And he didn't even go out of electricity.
Starting point is 01:38:07 That's what Tesla for real. That's what going to cray. And I was, because what's about Blanche's through? Shut out of my
Starting point is 01:38:13 shit. Oh my God. But I'm not going to lie. I ain't going to lie. You get hard to get some piss and some dadaos. You ought to be a real nigga to know about Dada
Starting point is 01:38:22 it's in the first place. No, for you got to East Bay Magazine. You know what I'm saying? I'm the East Bay Magazine. I never got into like the Brian Pumper hype like back in the day I don't fuck with a nigga that'd be rapping an
Starting point is 01:38:32 fucking like what you're doing good? Nicar ain't either getting a booth or in the bed big one. Because like, but you're dividing the audience because it's like they got bars and it's like I don't want to see a dick.
Starting point is 01:38:46 Imagine you in a car that nigga Brian Pumper go hard. This thing is a gooner. Man, what's up with that nigga man? Yeah. That's a little, you know. Being a point on, nigger is not fire, bro. It's not.
Starting point is 01:39:02 It's not. It's like you get a lot of pussy contractually. I feel like being a porn, nigga, it gives, I need this money. Like, he's giving T-T off or set it all. And do it all fast away, man. Fuck for shelter, man. Yeah. How about this getting...
Starting point is 01:39:17 Hold on. You're crazy for that. For shelter, it's crazy. Nigga ain't never fought for shelter before. No, niggas definitely... We had a few guys that talk about it. Man, I had me in a bitch that was ready. and a bitch that was ready.
Starting point is 01:39:28 You know what I mean? She needed somebody. Hobosexuals ladies, watch out. They'd be out here. It's next season two. She's let me draw her car. No license? I'm going to see other women.
Starting point is 01:39:39 I'm like, look, I'm, shot, I got these dickies on. I got his mid. You want to smoke? I got a whip. I got these dickies and this dickie. A little Dickie rod. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it.
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Starting point is 01:45:13 at 87 Central And listen on IHeart radio stations Across America And the free Iheart app Go ahead Drehe I do you want to X y'all though Do y'all have any scenarios Like when y'all are watching porn
Starting point is 01:45:26 though they piece y'all off All of them Yeah They're all bad Let's stop talking Oh my God So much mail Who delivered this mail
Starting point is 01:45:36 And then they hit the dick in a box You know what I ain't gonna lie The finest porn hos be doing the property shit Like where they're acting like they're real estate It's like oh How are you gonna pay? Okay bitch, all right
Starting point is 01:45:55 In this prop house But sometimes it's very rare But sometimes you'll get a storyline that's kind of good Juicy I'd be like let me beat this meme finish Because I need to know what happened I need people to be naked Fuck all they're talking
Starting point is 01:46:07 I don't need to. Look, if I'm fend to masturbate, I'm so horny. Yeah. I don't even kill nothing about no dialogue. You don't got to work me up to it. If you're watching the dialogue of a porn, you might be too horny for me. No, you will. Listen, I'm going to tell you something.
Starting point is 01:46:22 Are you like a good story? I do like a good story every now, every now and then, but sometimes people really tune for the story. I ain't going to lie, man. The whole story is like, I know these fuck fan of fuck. Yeah. It's a good story, but. How's he going to have these?
Starting point is 01:46:35 Yeah. What's the plot? No, I don't need to know. I'm gonna tell you something else, too. I'm gonna tell you niggas is, you gotta go get a psychological evaluation if you're leaving comments under the poem, bro. Okay, yeah, that's a little too far.
Starting point is 01:46:47 But sometimes I'll read the comment. You do? I'd be like, oh, they went in. Let me see what they told me. Oh, you read the comments before you watched that. Yeah. I sent the niggum be like... Yelp reviews.
Starting point is 01:46:56 I need a yelp review. I need to know what's going on. No, this isn't in the comments that's being delusional. Like, yeah, me next. What? Is anybody in South Carolina? right now looking for, hold on, wait. You need to slow down.
Starting point is 01:47:11 Let's chill. Make it's geo-location. Okay. I am weak as fucking, but I know I'm a little hood because sometimes I like the amateur porn over like the professional high phone. The iPhone? The iPhone, yes.
Starting point is 01:47:25 I'm trying to see what real humans doing. I haven't read this book. It fucked me up about porn. Like, it fucked me up. So now that's like I really need to be real people. Like, that's the only way I can really be into it. because they was, like, talking about how, like, the performance of sex. Like, how porn is not sex.
Starting point is 01:47:42 Right. Not sex, nigger. So, it's a performance of sex. So, like, yeah, man, that's why I'm just, like, let me find a woman that's just doing her thud-thizzle, you know what I'm saying? Because sometimes they record it for fun. Well, they actually are enjoying it. Yes. It's not like, it's not like I'm fake.
Starting point is 01:48:01 It's not performance. And then, yeah, like, real people, you know, we're getting real raw emotions out there, And you know what's crazy? I think, because we've had a few porn stars on the couch and not like anybody. Like, we've had the top tier. We had Janice and then we had Be Nasty. And where was that other girl name that we had on a long time ago?
Starting point is 01:48:18 Oh, that was a long. I can't remember her name. Me either. Cookie. Cookie was a freak bitch. Cookie was nasty. But, okay. I said all that to say.
Starting point is 01:48:28 It's like, when you actually talk to them? And I know this sounds so bad, but they'd be so cool and chill late back. I mean, because they're people. We're all fucking. Yeah. I think the thing is, some people fucking and getting a little money out of this shit, but shit, I mean, that they vibe. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:48:45 You know what I'm saying? That what they're doing. It ain't really the judge. I mean, they're freelancing that shit. They ain't got no pimped. They ain't got down signs. They ain't signed the West Coast productions and shit like that. They get their bag.
Starting point is 01:48:58 You know what I'm saying? I think they found a way to hack, you know what I'm saying? If I could sell drugs without a plug, I would. You did. I know that way. Me too. I ain't mad at it. Without going to jail?
Starting point is 01:49:10 Now we're on this long. Nigger, I could go traffic with drugs right now. Right now without getting into teacher and stuff? Nogh. All this podcast should be over with. Mm-hmm. Nigger, this podcast is sponsored by fentanyl, niggas. Okay, now see.
Starting point is 01:49:26 You know what? Now it's time to move on. Now it's time to get into the about. Hey. The bow. About. The bow. bow bow bow bow bow bow so bop of the week is the music that we've been jamming this week you know it's a lot of good new music out and um you know the old niggas is back and i don't want to say oh niggas in a derogatory way now that's real though that's what i'm doing they're they got to show you y n's how to get on a track juvenile got a new record out oh yeah yes yeah i like his new song because yeah he like when i heard that i was like he's talking about you got you want to you want a new record out oh yeah oh yeah he's like yeah he's like when i heard that i was like he's talking about you got you want to you want a new record out you're
Starting point is 01:50:05 You gotta fuck with old niggins. What's you doing with this young nigga for us? And I like it because it's like twerking music. Yeah. Let's give it nine-n-n-n-n-dun-thous and the two thousands again. T-I dropped the song. Produced by Farrell, let him know. He did.
Starting point is 01:50:19 Fired. Like, don't get it twisted. This is TIP coming live from the VIP. Right. Stop playing with, stop playing with our ledges. She's like that little bar. I do. It's like the third time I heard.
Starting point is 01:50:31 Yeah, that's my shit. That's my shit. That's her shit. We getty. Because my thing is, I think the young people... Be it's right, please. Young people too much be playing with our legends
Starting point is 01:50:44 and they feel like, oh, y'all don't know. First of all, them all niggas out rapping all you niggins. They are. They're all. They're all. That's all I've been running. That's what I was about to say. Him town's the future.
Starting point is 01:50:53 That sounds so hard. That's crazy that you took my body. That nigga Jay's called a nigga a punk bitch, 30-s-s-time. Come on now. You know how much you got a mean that? They call a nigga a punk-bub bitch? Yeah. I mean, you mean that.
Starting point is 01:51:03 You're a punk-ass bitch. That's what I'm saying. Bitch-ass nigger really aged. Whoever came, I seen a meme, whoever came up with bitch-ass-d-digger. You know how fed up you had to be. That's a real, that's like literary expertise, nigga. That's why.
Starting point is 01:51:16 I just felt like a lot of times people get disrespectful about our legends. They'd be like, oh, y'all ain't, okay, let Farrell hop on that track, ho-at, nigga and show you what the fuck he can do. Don't let that Louis Vuitton darn shit fool you, nigga. That little foe count. Come on.
Starting point is 01:51:29 Yeah, you get that little... D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-H. Yeah. Like, come on. That would see y'all with the hands with the side. Yeah, that motherfucker lean on. That nigga like two days after he cut his hair, I was like. And they said he got a facelift.
Starting point is 01:51:50 Yeah. They said he cut that hair and it looked like a brand new nigga. Maybe he's born with it. Maybe it's Mabelie, ho-ass niggins. Okay. He looks good. Ice him out. What's y'all box?
Starting point is 01:52:02 Well, I feel like Niaz-S-h-h-h-old. Maybe you've been. Maybelene is crazy. Bro. I'm glad we about to wrap this shit up. Let them know. Let them know. Anything ass nigger is just five.
Starting point is 01:52:31 It's funny. It's funny. They ate with that. My bad. I ain't mean to steal your shit. I got a little backup. Go ahead. Go ahead.
Starting point is 01:52:38 It could be both of ours. What was it? His song that he said, Bounce Row blues by Jay Cole. Oh, yeah. I ain't said nothing about no bounce roll. Oh, you need it? Bunts, my bad.
Starting point is 01:52:49 Buntz road blues. My bed, not buntz. I mean, not bounce, buntz. That little. Stop line, bro. It ain't got nothing to do with that train. It do. It got a little secret pot of shit in there.
Starting point is 01:53:02 What is going on? CBD. But that's the future because somebody had made the thing like, oh, future can't rap no more. Stop it. Man, let's stop the narrative. Stop. I don't, I ain't going to lie, man. I'm starting to get ages, bro.
Starting point is 01:53:16 Why? I don't want to hear. opinions of people younger than 25. I'm just getting old. Yeah. Oh, future, bro. Shut up, bro. The people was mad at Brandy doing the... The Run.
Starting point is 01:53:29 That National Anthem was beautiful. It was. Brandy. Like, let's stop it. It's a lot of revisionist history that be happening with niggas that we got to stop doing it. We got to stop doing it.
Starting point is 01:53:39 Y'all stop acting like Whitney Houston herself didn't say Brandy was the most talented people ever heard. This is about acting like Christina Aguilaric and saying, y'all don't do this to work. Ha! shoot, baby. No.
Starting point is 01:53:53 That's what he sound like you was about. What's your song, bro? Bunch for old booze, but also just the whole J-Cole, the fall-off album. I've been fucking with the album, but... Yeah, I like that part thing, motherfucker, man. That shit's all right. But I'm also just...
Starting point is 01:54:33 What she be doing with? Let's what she be doing? Shut up. I'm not doing it no more. What she's you do on? Don't tip me. What she's a... Get you, get you.
Starting point is 01:54:40 Yeah, yeah. Gotta wrap this up. The fall. It's tea, it's fire But I've also been like a huge Jay Cole fan for a long time So I'm glad that he just came out with the new album And shout out to
Starting point is 01:55:17 Jay Cole because he been following poor minds For like five, six years He fuck with the girl He knew I was He didn't come on the show He knew I was, he was like, oh, I was like Yeah, uh-oh The mix woke kings the linked up
Starting point is 01:55:30 Right Like shit You know what I'm saying That would be a good episode We got a whole nigga to guy I know that's right Collectively, y'all 100%. Collective whole nigger.
Starting point is 01:55:41 You know what I'm saying? That's a group name. Collective whole name. Collective whole name. You don't need to come out with an album. He comes on my show, that's going to be called a whole nigger. I'm liking it. I like this.
Starting point is 01:55:51 I like that. Yeah, I'm going to pitch that to his team. Let's call Ebb after this. So y'all know, it's time to get into our favorite segment of the show, which is pour your heart out. If you have any questions, you can always send them to ask poor minds at gmail. That's a S-K. P-O-U-R-M-N-D-S at J-E-S at J-E-S.
Starting point is 01:56:08 Gmail.com. So let's get into it. Hey, y'all, I need advice. When I was about 21 years old, I dated a guy. He was about 32 at the time. Wait, he was about 32, 33 at the time. Handsome guy, drama-free and very private. I ended up cutting things off due to the lack of connection.
Starting point is 01:56:27 We remained friends, though, throughout the years. We lost contact for a while and recently within the past year, reconnected on social media. I'm 34 now, and as I've matured over the years, I've came to the conclusion that I wasn't mature enough during our time together and wasn't quite ready for what he brought to the table. I've always dated older, so the age gap isn't an issue for me any longer, and I want to spend the block.
Starting point is 01:56:50 My only issue is, a few years after we dated, I physically transitioned from male to female. I don't know how he feels about it, and I'm scared to even ask. I recently spoke to a friend about it, and the next day they told me to put the plan in motion, so I'm assuming they may have already put a bug, in his ear. Can y'all help me? I'm not going to lie. I feel like I'm not educated enough to give proper advice because you said
Starting point is 01:57:14 you dated a guy and you said you transitioned from male to female. So I'm assuming that y'all were in a gay relationship. And now you transition into a female. But, I mean, I don't know, you didn't give us enough information though. Is this guy bisexual where he's attracted to women and men? Like, I don't think there's enough information for, you know, you know, me to give you a proper answer, but I will say I feel like nothing is wrong with the conversation. Now, I'm not an advocate of spinning the block. I don't care what you are, LGBTQ.
Starting point is 01:57:46 I don't know, give a damn. I'm not an advocate of spending the block just because I've spun the block and it has never worked out in my favor. Yeah. So I think you do need to be aware of spinning the block. It don't matter what you got. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:57:59 I'm not for it. They can be spending the block for sex. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So I feel like, what is your reason for spinning the block? Yeah, like, bro, I'm trying to come fuck. with you one time. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:08 Or to see if they still got access. Let's get these flashbacks out of my mind real quick. They're going to make this a real thing, and then we're going to keep going with our life. Yeah. I agree. I mean, I feel like it's been a long time. I just said, I don't get a new pussy for you. Niggia, what's up?
Starting point is 01:58:22 I mean, and I feel like it ain't no harm. I mean, for real, though, it ain't no harm in seeing. But I used to watch that show pose. I don't know if y'all ever watch. Oh, yeah, I just don't watch a show. I used to watch. I got a brand new team for you. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:33 It's different. And it's tight. Oh. That's brand new. Yeah, it's brand new. No miles on it. But, no, I... You car smelling it, motherfucker.
Starting point is 01:58:42 You're ready to me? Don't fall in it real quick. But, no, for real. I used to watch Pose. And it was a character on Pose. I can't remember her name. But she had, when he got the surgery, and, like, when she had went back to Miss
Starting point is 01:58:53 with, like, one of her old dudes, he was mad as fuck about it because he wanted her to keep the penis. Yeah. So... But that's what I say he didn't give us... Because we don't know if she was... Yeah, right.
Starting point is 01:59:04 But, I mean, he said he transitioned. So I assume. No, because some people transition, they still have their heart there. Yeah, you're right. Oh, real? So I don't know. I feel like, yeah, just have a conversation. Yeah, it doesn't hurt, but I think spinning the block is not a good idea.
Starting point is 01:59:17 I think any time that you engage in a situation, honestly, honestly, and lovingly, then you got to live whatever the results is. If brother not fucking with it, he's just not fucking with it. Yeah, and at least you know. But if he is, shit. I mean, it's still the same thing you live. Exactly. So, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:59:36 The essence of the people really don't change. Right. Sure, you might get a new perspective on a few things. But who you is at your core? Who you is. That's your going to be who you are. And I used to spend the block all the time. But now I'm no longer.
Starting point is 01:59:48 I'm never spending the block again. Like, if we're done, we're done. I agree. You know? But this has been such a fun episode. It has. So Deonti, tell everybody where they can find you. And also talk a little bit about your tour
Starting point is 02:00:00 because you're on your tour, First Cousin's tour. I am. Yeah. Me and Big Cat on First Couss Tour. Let me get these dates, you know what I mean? But you can't follow me on our social media at Deontay.com. Or you can follow a podcast, Gristeninget's podcast on YouTube. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 02:00:19 Man, shout out to the managers, you know what I'm saying? Just air-draw that bit, right? Timmy. We're going to Raleigh, North Carolina, March 22nd. Birmingham, Alabama, April 1st, Jacksonville, Florida, April 7th, Charlotte, North Carolina. April 14th, and then Nashville, Tennessee on April 28th. All tickets are available on diontecaille.com.
Starting point is 02:00:41 Congratulations. Thank you. That's amazing to be able to tour. Heck yeah, man, that shit is going to be loved. Our live show hit a little different, too. For real. Having a good time? Heck, yeah, we'd be turning up.
Starting point is 02:00:51 We're going to do the knowledge always, but we're going to have a good time. Good. Well, thank you so much for sitting with us. This is an amazing episode. Y'all make sure y'all go follow him on everything. Y'all get your lips together. go to muse beauty collection.com, get your lipies, your lashes
Starting point is 02:01:05 together, all the blushes and things like that. Make sure you all tune into Love Lex P every Monday at 10 a.m. Anything else we're missing? Bye, y'all. Hey, hey, hey. You niggas better, is it? A-S-A-T, A-S-A-T.
Starting point is 02:01:23 A-A-A-A-S-A-P. A-S-A-P. Intro. A-S-A-P. Just say A-Set! Tighten up This bad one of the songs Had to be five minutes
Starting point is 02:01:36 What? I'm on the grind, Grand Hustle got the mind And the muscle Fitted the Carries and the crown just to shine All you suckers Still talk the glop
Starting point is 02:01:45 Faulting for the haters And the fuck barbacion If a nigga try to play me I'm a bust some No security Reaching for my jewelry Get your nigga Pock quit
Starting point is 02:01:55 Still full of hot shit Frick shot the bar Tilt hop Then the drop sit In the Give it stock till Start till Not till
Starting point is 02:02:06 So your baby Mama jog till You don't want no problem I do not slip Crone for a field And we'll let the car trip With the corn right up Under that
Starting point is 02:02:18 Stones with the platinum mall up under that Rat feet I ain't gonna participate in none of that I made him that Fit it kept And you ain't going on none of that A-step
Starting point is 02:02:28 A-Sep A-Sep A-Sep Blowing him off the mouth ASAP As anybody who running AG That they're gonna save me ASAP
Starting point is 02:02:39 Niggas hating on P-S-E G-S-A-P Nigger to play me Y'am gonna blow them off the map ASAT I know a lot of rappers don't like me
Starting point is 02:02:53 but they won't fight me Fis what I said though why they won't indict me Hey My hand around me Are we? You're my bad at us. We should have to be sick.
Starting point is 02:03:06 Your background. Tune in. A-Sav. Go to the tour. A-Sav. Diarte.com. Period. No.
Starting point is 02:03:14 Deiote. Dias. Our group. And, you really got video vix and I'm, you was like. V. V.A. I was like, I know.
Starting point is 02:03:22 I missed my mark. I missed my era. TIP still come alive from the VIP. I'll stay at 20 times. I was too young. My fist so rocky and my wrist so icy. Might be thrown on my rocker. just slightly, feisty, flaming hot, tip of don't and nightmare.
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Starting point is 02:04:28 natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And today I'm talking with my dear friend, Krista Williams. It can change you in the best way possible. Dance with the change. Dance with the breakdowns. The embodiment of Pisces intuition with Capricorn power moves. So I'm like delusionally proud of my chart. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast.
Starting point is 02:04:57 Good people. What's up? What's up? It's Questlove. So recently I had the incredible opportunity. to have a real conversation with an actress and producer, Jamie Lee Curtis, from routines to recovery, true lies, and a certain Jermaine Jackson music video. Jamie's real and raw, and something I really admire about her.
Starting point is 02:05:15 I am so happy that I'm the head bitch in charge at 67, that I have the perspective that I have at my age to really be able to put all of this into context. to the Questlove show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Bailey Taylor, and this is It Girl. This podcast is all about going deeper with the women's shaping culture right now. Yes, we will talk about the style and the success, but we are also talking about the pressure, the expectations, and the real work behind it all. As a woman in the industry, you're always underestimated. So you have to work extra hard in a way that doesn't compromise who you are in your integrity.
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