The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - SAMMIE in the Trap! | 85 South Show Podcast

Episode Date: October 24, 2025

SAMMIE  joins the 85 South Show to discuss his career journey. This episode features candid reflections on fame, family, and the music industry, from early success to navigating challenges.  || 85 SOUTH App: www.channeleightyfive.com || Twitter/IG: @85SouthShow || Our Website: www.85southshow.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And a spectacular new home But little by little They lose it, they actually lose it. They sort of went nuts. Until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to hell in heaven on the IHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I mean, I got a lot of things in the works, but I'm out, so I own, I'm one-fourth owner at Crew, Camp Creek. Talk, your talk. Been doing that now for a year. Got a candle line distributed through Simply Naked Candlecold

Black owned off a Walker Street by Peter Street I've been doing that since 2021 Talk to your top I've always wanted to get into acting but wanted to be a great actor so I now have the time once I deliver this last album

to become a prolific great in that and then bro I also like to be uncomfortable because you can't say what's next because that's you but when you don't know what's next that's God

you know faith is in believing what you can't see Music, bro, I could write a, I could do an album tonight if I wanted to. Right? You know what I'm saying? And I want to go, and I'm not done making music. I'm just done. This is my last official album doing the press, going to tour for the album.

No, no, no. It's the album. I'm going to still a tour forever. Okay, you're still going to do music. But you're like album-wise. Yeah, album-wise. It's my last one. Putting the set together for y'all, I'm dropping a singer-lack.

Yeah, every now and you know, Mike catch the Holy Ghost and do a little. Cool, cool, good. A little mixtape, and y'all can have it if y'all want. But this is my last official album. And I want to go out on my own terms. So everything independent from here on now. It's been independent, that's the thing. I don't want to get awesome music.

It's been independent. But this is my last who-rah doing it big, the way where it's a moment. Right, I understand. It's just, I've done everything. And also, I just like to, I rather leave before it's my time than after it's my time. I hate seeing artists, I hate seeing athletes doing it one because they have to survive. survive, two, that surpassed their prime, and now you know Michael Jordan, who used to drop 63 any given night, is only able to get 18, 19.

That nigga don't want to quit. Yeah, but sometimes you just got to know. When the transition. Just to leave on top. Before the internet hates you, before Instagram or you didn't tweeted the wrong thing or didn't you. Damn, niggas, Sammy! Damn Instagram!

We need you, man. You know, they look in the right. right you off, though. Oh, God. They look at- They'd be doing genuine wine. Integrated things. In just entrepreneurship, too.

I've always wanted to be a mogul too. I never wanted to just be... Only do music. Nah, this is just the gateway to sell you this and to pitch you this. And then having children has made me also wanted to diversify more portfolio. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to have to just go on tour to make money. I want to go to sleep, like you said, and put a little something in this stock that I don't learn.

And I get money sleeping in my bed or playing mad at the crib. Talk your talk. It's just that time that really, you know, I take care of the family, bro. I take care of a lot of people, bro. Yeah. And this music business is more fickle than it's ever been. I got 300 million streams worldwide and those not bots. Because now I think everything is starting to come to fruition as far as can you buy certain things and pay for certain views.

Mine is not that. Right. But I ain't make a million dollars off 300 million streams. And I wrote every song. Vocal arranged myself. Sequenced the project. Paid for the studio time, which means... She ain't how it used to be.

The math is not math. Right. One plus one is not two one for me. Right. And when you understand the evolution of the game and how it's never really beneficial for us anyway. They... Oh, we got a Sammy? Okay. And then Sammy runs out.

Then we go get this and try to make him Sammy. Right. Now, fortunately for me, God said otherwise there's only one me. And I'm grateful for that. For sure, for that. And I'm humble for that. But I understand you evolve. or you evaporate.

And I would hate and dread the day that... Bro, this album, I'm like 29 songs in. I started a year ago. And I promise you, I'm dropping a 40 piece, maybe a 50 piece. Okay. You're just like, niggins. Here you go. Yeah.

Yeah, like an A side, B side, honestly. For sure. Because every day's a song, you just got to look for it. Right. And the more I keep living, the more I have to sing about. But I'm also tired of, manifesting from a spiritual place, right? The things that I write that's coming into fruition.

I write my best from pain and sorrow. But it might heal you. It might heal you. I'm tired of experiencing that. I got two beautiful little girls I look at every day that I just want to be my healthiest self mentally, spiritually, financially. And then bigger than that, freedom, free from expectations,

free from having to be perfect, free to make a flaw, free to make a mistake. And leaving on my own terms is the best way for me to do it. If three, four, five years from now, the beautiful thing about music, bro, $100,000 retired and he came back playing the flute. You know what I'm saying? And he had this whole Atlanta. He was short retired nine times.

That's what I'm saying. So when you say retire, that's an infinite thing. To me, it's just I'm going out on my own terms. But however, if God tells me to come back and create it. create another R&B project and I've lived the life and I have the content to do so, I'll come back. I'm sure. I always listen to my spirit. Talk your top. But my spirit right now says leave out on your seventh studio album, the number of completion.

And it's called The Journey. And it's an ode to my daughter. And she changed my life and also saved my life. I think you built for it, though. 50 songs, man. I think you're built for it, though. Every last one of them. No, I'm built for everything. You build for it, man. You know exactly what you're supposed to do.

Alone? Yeah, yeah, I play y'all some joints for sure, for sure. But that's all, it's not like a, it's never, it ain't no quitting me. Right. We all have our days, you feel what I'm saying, where you're tired or you're mentally and spiritually depleted. But this isn't a, it's how we're supposed to celebrate funerals. We're supposed to, right, celebrate the life, but the flesh feels like you're supposed to live eternally. Right. does.

Right. That's the same thing with music. Music is a universal language. Everybody in this room speaks music. Hip-hop, R&B, rock, gospel, etc. This is me listening to my spirit and God saying, I need you to be uncomfortable, because you're too comfortable. I need you to tap into the other part where I really called you to be.

Right. We're all chosen. I just learned that a couple. We're all chosen because we're all here for a reason. reason but few answer the call because that call is a pool there's something pulling me to talk more and sing less so maybe I'm supposed to start a foundation for young men that don't have a father don't have an uncle or a man kingdom man figure to preach to and I don't want to be in nobody's

pulpit I'm saying more than most you know what I'm saying but I desire to be godly I desire to be a righteous man so maybe that's where I'm supposed to move to. And where I'm doing things from my honest and righteous pure heart and my heart is posture in the right place. Mm-hmm. That's the main thing. I'm rich. I know you every day going crazy. That we go. What you're supposed to do? Yeah, so I'm excited to not know what's next. So I know we're talking about the end and the next stage in the evolution, you know what I'm saying? The elevation. Mm-hmm. I want to take it back to the beginning. Yes, sir. Okay. I want to take it to the to the beginning with Sammy with the

pro man. Yeah, man. The day that you took that iconic picture that you didn't know. Miami, Florida, yeah. The yellow and suit, Jacket. That was going to be on all of cassettes. I knew I wasn't going to be shit. I got the cassette. I need to know, man. Because being a kid and a superstar. Yes, sir. Man, that shit be like. We're about the same man. I'm 30 sales around that time. I don't know about power you up. Thirty-eight. 38. A little bow-wow too. Yeah, yeah. He said that. He said that. Shit. Little Romeo men are going crazy. Everybody's gonna be little, but I feel gonna be little song.

Right, right. Listen, what was you thinking, what was your mindset of saying, like, first of all, how did you get into music? Yeah. And did you know it was going to happen like that? I got into, okay, four years ago, I was raising the Church of Christ, right? Right. Everything, again, for me, starts with God, ends with God,

and that's my in-between. I sung on a Sunday at a program where you get to sing or tell a testimony. Right. I'm just sitting down, but I don't see him. my cousins go up there and my aunties get a testimony. I'm like, I can sing. I know one church song that's called Troubles Don't Last Always. Right.

So I told my cousin Frankie, I'm like, yo, I'm about to go up there. And I, I'm four. He's not going to stop me. So they let me go. Right. And I start singing. And they was like, all you need is just that one hey boy, yeah. Yeah.

Amen. That fueled me, you know what I'm saying? And I really was like on key and doing little riffs and runs. Right. And from that day forth, everybody was like, he really has a voice on him. Fast forward four years. It really, you know, numerology is a thing for me, too, because God is very intentional in the Bible about numbers.

Four years from that, I'm humming during the test, second grade. Ms. Allen goes, do you want to share with the class? I'm living in Miami, Florida, Brown Sub, going to Earlyton Heights. I didn't know what she said, but naturally, I was a mannerable young man, so I was like, yes, ma'am, and I'm singing now a song that I was humming during the test that I'm not supposed to do. Sends me to the office, sing to the principal. The principal sits me down.

But she asked you if you've... Correct. Correct. Correct. And I've said, yes ma'am, so now I think I'm in trouble. Correct. Because now I'm in the principal's office. Uh-huh. Principal has me sing. You got to hear that boy saying. Correct. But no one says anything. Like, no feedback just telling me the same. Go on and get four. Hey, come in. Next up. Next up. Next up is my mom. Next up, my mom comes. My mom don't play. Miss Angela don't play. So she's like one of those moms. She used to say you get showed out on when you show out at. So I'm thinking that's a whooping coming. And I'm like, they totally the same.

Right. It was like he's too talented to go to a regular school. He needs to go to a magnet school for music. I get transferred my third year, and I go to Charles Drew Elementary in Liberty City. Right. Played football for Liberty City Warriors. Shout out to Antonio Brown, AB, that's the homie. We played in the same joint.

You know what I'm saying? I always knew he was going to be AB. In that school, I joined a group called Wonder 3. Shout out to Terrell and Phillip. We auditioned for the Apollo. for the Apollo. I'm 10. The other boys is 15, 16. And Apollo... Yeah, so Apollo calls back and they say,

we want the little one for Apollo kids. No, not that, but it was like, you don't know, it's not that. But it's more so I couldn't do amateur night because I'm 10. Right. So we want him from Apollo kids and we'll take the group as amateur night. Bring her back. Yeah. I asked him, could I go?

They said, yeah, and I did my Sharia Moore by Stevie Wonder. Steve Harvey was the host. Rub the log. Rub the log. We got banned from the Apollo. Yeah. For it word? Yeah.

I say they're going to let her back, though. We're going to pray about that. I'm telling you. We're some terrible niggins. We ain't do shit. Just being y'all stuff. To be banned? It's crazy.

We ain't do nothing. That's how you get blamed. Cajill War, nigga. But once you're thinking about all the black history that they came through the Apollo, we don't want to get back. It wasn't even nothing. Nigg said, I don't get what fuck.

We're gonna add, dude, everybody in here, they go, Wiggins, James Brown, y'all get the fuck out. Ain't been back since. What? No. We don't wrote letters. We don't wrote president letter, please. We're sorry, bro.

Y'all, Apollo, take my brother's back, because that's a staple for me. Come on, dad. Oh, we had a ball. Oh, we had a ball. It wasn't us. We just got blamed. I've been like that.

I've been banned from every MGM grant in the world, but it wasn't me either. Okay. That's another story for another day. That's RSVP. I'm in the group, too. Okay, so you back to Apollo and we see her. Yeah, I get a standing ovation.

My mom say, if you can conquer New York, you can conquer the world. Most definitely. I do that, and then I make it to the finals. And it's a woman named Joyce Irby. She discovered Dallas Austin, myself, Jasper Cameron, and Lloyd. I call him Lottie. She flies to Tampa to have me sing on a tape. Initially, I was supposed to be in a group with Lord.

I was supposed to be in a group with Lloyd called In-Tune. They thought me and Lloyd would clash because he's the start of the group and I just had a very like alpha Florida boy like, if we race and I want to win, if we play checkers, I want to win. If we play, I don't gamble, but if you, y'all teach me some dice shit, give me a little bit and I'm going to start winning. That's just how my spirit has always been. So Dallas said, we're going to keep Lloyd as the lead singers in tune and we're going to take

Sammy the Capitol Records. And the first song I ever did in my whole life in the studio was in Nashville, Tennessee. It's called out like it. Hmm. It went crazy. And at 12, I was number one in the country. Yeah. Four and a half weeks.

12 years, man. I contributed. But how old are you in there now? 38. You're peeing the bed when y'all was 12. Yeah, yeah, I'm 38 now. At 12, I was number one for four and a half weeks in Billboard. And I was, the beautiful part, I'm still the youngest to have a number one on the bill.

On the billboard. Talk your talk, nigga! We're looking at history here! How the wheel, walk the frame! This is real talk, and it's a crazy thing because when you're 12, you're not thinking about accolades. I wasn't. You don't even understand what you're doing. All I knew is I'm cute enough, sound good enough, to make the girls go crazy.

So I'm not even understanding all the money I'm generating. And for my mom's, but I'm noticing shit. You know what I'm saying? The car my mom used to have, nah, she pulled up in the expedition. Like, no, that's when expedition was like a thing. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, then we had like the four-wheelers outside for Christmas and the goat cart for this.

And I'm like, damn, like not knowing where it's coming from at the time. Because all I know is I'm popping. I went to school with William Dandy seventh grade. That's when I garnered fame. I was a normal kid until spring break. That's when BET back in the day, The Box, debuted my... You remember your transition when it was bullshit. Yeah, because I already knew I spent time in Atlanta working on my album and I got a deal and I got a little advance.

They don't know that. They don't know. Because we still, still in, like, we're living kind of in the hood. I'm living at Royal Palm. If you know what that said in Fort Lauderdale, that's not like, don't get royal palm. I'm from all over Florida. I was born in Boynton Beach, where Lamar Jackson's from. Went to Fort Lauderdale High, William Dandy, Charles Drew, Miami, lived in Tampa with my dad,

West Orange and Orlando. Then I came to the eight. I'm in Florida all the way from south to central. Like, I can't even rep one city because I've lived Derey Beach. My family's still there at Deerfield. I'm a Florida boy first. And then I'm an A.T.L.E.N. now. now, 18 years, Florida, 20 years, Atlanta. And I just started understanding, like, damn, singing, I can sing my way out the hood.

I grew around people that was doing bad things. You feel what I'm saying? But, again, my spirit never resonated with, when people wanted to break in the house, I was like, okay, we're not playing football anymore. We're not playing basketball anymore. I'm gone. I'm gone. But that spring break, though, nigga, you weren't over in the kid.

No, spring break, they played the video every day on the hour. I like it, I like it, I like it. So I come back to school, my mom drops me off like it's normal, and kids are starting to whisper around the campus like, hey, y'all seen that, that new niggins see me? I like it. That looks just like in his name's happy. Right.

Like, it's every, there went no internet. It's starting to click. Yeah, you like, click. Bro. Look at the book. Hey, that's right there. Yeah, it's in the yearbook. They're looking at pictures.

They're looking at me. Oh, internet. I'm, and I don't know what to say. Right. Because I'm watching the shift. I was just a normal new kid going to William Dandy. Right. And after spring break, bro, BT, 99 jams, had them played I like it a million times.

And everybody was like, you say me, bro? Yeah. And I was lying because I was like feeling uncomfortable. I'm like, no, my name, Sammy. I just looked like the nigga, but I ain't. Right. Yeah, I'm 12 years old. I don't know how to...

You got the fro, nigga. Yeah, I know, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I had the yellow shirt on. Yeah, had the outfit on from the video. Oh, video! He dressed like a RV singer. Yeah. So I couldn't explain to them what was happening.

Right. So I go home and I tell my mom, I'm like, all right, mom. You need to come to school with me tomorrow and tell like the faculty who I am now. Like, because she was like, what you mean? I was like, it's no more dropping me off. And I'm just walking the first. period, you know what I'm saying, reading that Harry

Praise you. Harderbo. And then it just started getting worse because I like it with shooting. It just came out. Right. And then it just went because I was the first kid star. And then I ain't going to say I influenced the other kid stars that came after me, but I influenced the executives.

Somebody said, oh, well, then Bow Wow can work. Romeo can work. Little Corey can work. Lloyd can work as a soloist. Chris Brown, Mario, Tray songs. It was just the pioneer just look at the same thing. Just look at the stats. It was me first, and I didn't fail.

I was number one. And school got tricky for me. Now the niggas hate me, bro. Niggas was like, oh, you think you all are. We're going to beat you up when you go to P.E. We're like, how, nigg, I just say, I like the way. How did you make a joke of my song for a, me? You know, a niggas, take your fro off.

Take your fro off. Two back in the hour, niggins take on. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. But the girls loved me. So we got to a point where I think. Yeah, at the time. He said a dick across the street took.

No, I was back. Go back to me a house park. It was back. And he had the new Jays too. Yeah, and I'm fly. I got a little, I got to, look, one of the last things Dallas did before I went to 7th grade, Lennox Mall was closed. They opened up for Dallas Austin.

I was pulling stuff. I ain't, I ain't never even know what size shoe I wore. I didn't. I swear to God, it was just me and at that time, it was free rail entertainment. But now it's Rowdy Records. but freeware entertainment for Dallas Company. He was like, just pick what you want. And I was just picking stuff.

I didn't even look at sizes. I was 12 picking size 11. I wear nine now. You're against it. I wear nine now. I'm 38. Yeah, it felt good to me. You know what I'm saying?

I just was never able to do that. So that's another thing that started connecting dots. You know, but you got one week of like being fly before you start repeating the outfits. Ah, boy, I had months to go. You know what I'm saying? I'm just, This gap, this, this, this, echo.

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But after that spring break, bro, nothing was the same, dog. I'm on a Nickelodeon tour with Nick Cannon, LF, folks. That's what I go to all that. I would go to school Monday, Tuesday. I would go to school Monday, Tuesday. And Nick is everywhere. Yeah, I would go to school Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and then Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, be over the planet. And then back in school Monday.

At that school? William Dandy. But how did they- But now I have security though. Like every- And middle school? That shit so hard, girl. Oh my mama.

At public school. Hey, Ben, can you go tap her right down with the bill cart? Yeah, because I was getting threatened every day by guys. You know what I'm saying? Like guys hated me. Yeah, that's Florida. The guys hated me. You gotta sit there and listen, too.

Yeah, for sure. You're sitting on the nigger's shoulders in Clare. No, I'm just sitting here. He's tapping this, right? He riled that dick through the hallway. And clad, yeah, anywhere I went in the hallways, I had to have security help me get to the next period that I had to go to. Because my mom made it, like, a mission that she was never taking me out of school.

She was like, he's going to have a regular life, too. You know what I'm saying? And in hindsight, I'm grateful for it. Now, it was terrible when I was experiencing it. But from 7th and 8th grade, I went to William Dandy, bro. It was rumors like, Sammy got beat up at the P.E. Behind the lobsters. Bro, I ain't want to bring that shit up, bro. Ain't nobody never touched.

I heard that shit, bro. I'm glad that shit ain't true, guy. We was at the crib of a head. Big cap, though. Big cap. I'll be in high school. Big, girl. Then high school, it got worse.

Oh, shit. Because now I like it. Crazy things I do for love. 2001, hardball with Bow Wow, Lil Wayne, Lil Zane. Stupid. Then my mom had this bright idea because it was so, I would say, hostile in Fort Lauderdale. Okay, we're going to move to Orlando. That's worse.

Right. Also because at least the kids that got used to me over the two years. So we're going to Fort Lauderdale. How cool, we got your back when you get out there. Yeah, you ain't Hollywood, you humble. We got your back. My mom was like, nah, we're going to Orlando. So now I'm at a new school, new city, going through the same day.

New hate. And now it's worse. Now 106 and Park is out. So you're seeing hardball every day, and I'm sitting in geometry next to you. And the girls owe me bad. Girls say Gene, bro, first day of school go. Hey, you see me? I said, do me a favor.

Yes, but don't say shit. Yeah, you fucked up. Nigger, I confirmed it. We went to lunch. Same thing I was. I experienced at William Dandy. Now at West Orange, we're on the ninth grade center. I'm eating a little pizza by myself.

I'm the new kid. Shout out to my brother, Farron. Still my best friend, best man to this day now for 25 years of brotherhood. He's like, I'm responsible for showing you around the campus. By the second class, he goes, did I win something? I'm like, what you mean? He was like, ain't you saying me?

I'm like, here we go again. But this time I'm kind of prepared. Niggas not gonna like me. Right, Earl's gonna love me. And now I'm in ninth grade. I got a little more cahooning. So, I'm talking shit, though. Right.

If it's coming, yeah, like, I've been bullied verbally my whole life at this point. Fuck you. Yeah, fuck you. Fuck you. We will whoop your ass. No, no, no, no, drop me off. I'm in Orlando.

Security ain't in Orlando. First day? Oh, shit, I'm by myself. About myself. Oh, yeah. I need my goals. But I knew what to say this time. So I'm like, listen, at lunch, I'm eating.

And everybody coming into me like, like, like, they can't see. Or like I can't see them. They're like, that's Sammy, that's Sammy. I need my gos. I do need my gos. My niggas is immediately, niggas is immediately mad.

The girls going crazy. And I took myself to the office. And I told the principal, I was like, you need to call my mom up here so she could tell you what I do. Right. My mom comes up and I'm like, mom, you can't keep dropping me off at public schools.

Like I'm not Sammy, bro. Right. I like it has already been number one. Crazy Things Top 20. Right. Hardball did whatever it did. From the bottom to the top certified goal, I can't just get dropped off at a public school.

And now these big niggas, it's juniors. Right. Sophombo, seniors. Right. I need my goal. The nigga level's growing up every year. Yeah. Yeah.

It didn't like Hardball was on 106 in part for about three years. It was up there. Yeah, that's all. Every time I come in the house. That's it. That shit. Three more. 10, 9, 8, 12.

But see, from the outside looking in, bro, we would just have sworn. Life, we did. I was at a regular, bro. I was at a regular, no, and that, now, now, let me give y'all something that I'm going to speak on because I've seen Dallas Austin speak on it on another platform.

The PR answer, media trainer answer, was why did you stop the first time? All right. From 12 to 14, you got from the bottom to the top. I like it. Crazy things are due for love. hardball, and then you just disappeared. No announcement, no nothing.

The truth is, my mother at the time was my momager, aka Mom, he and manager. Joyce Irby was running co-manager. Dallas Austin was the creative. All three had beef. My mom wasn't letting the label get over and just do what they want to do. Joyce is like, let us show you how to make him a superstar.

And Dallas is like, I just want to do the music. I know what I'm doing, leave us alone. And he pulled the plug, mid-project. This is something that we don't talk about. I was supposed to do a remix of crazy things I do for love with Bow Wow. Never said this in public in my life. This is why Bowie got all on to see your bow.

Once Bao came out, they was trying to find a way for me and him to collide. I'm not gonna say who, but someone blocked it. No one, I didn't show up to a whole photo shoot, that was, excuse me, video shoot that was paid for in New York City. And they pulled the plug on the Sammy Project. They say, we love the kid, but we can't deal with you, you, and you as a team. It's too much.

And that's how I ended up back in public school. And I never learned that until I was 17 graduating from West Orange when Dallas Austin pulled me into a little office and was like, man, you turned 18, March 1st. I've been looking for you since you went back to Florida. I'm gonna resigns you. You're going to college? I'm like, it's not a job to goddamn come back to music.

I hate school. I love the people. I love my teachers, but I don't seem... I haven't been on a tour with LFO and Maya and Nick Cannon. I've been on all that. Why am I here? Why am I sitting in class? My brain is already brainwashed.

I've seen the world, bro. I know how to get 50,000 a show. You think I'm about to do a job for 50,000? This is my brain. This is my brain. Nothing wrong with anybody. Yeah, I don't even know what geometry. Like, I haven't used it.

We're talking about at the time, at a time when the time was where they're giving you. Right. Right. Right. So I'm already, like, lost in school. Why are they talking about algebra once they, they fucked me up when they did letters and numbers? I said, oh, yeah, write a song right now. And I'm just flunk out.

You know what I'm saying? I'll go to the bathroom three times for two hours because I'm not engaged with my life. It's not normal. This, you know what I mean? I've seen too much. Steve Harvey was the first somebody and told me I'm gonna be somebody. Right.

And then you come out the gate with a number one. This is before internet. These are cassette tapes and CDs, this is going market to market, kissing babies, mom and pop stores signing autographs in the hoods of Brooklyn and Miami and flea markets. I did all those things. That's why I still always had an independent mindset.

I know how to make you touch me and I know how to touch you. Pause. I got to see you. You got to meet me. You got to see my spirit. You got to hear me speak. You got to hear my music in person. This internet thing is easy. I can record a song tonight and put it out tonight the same time. Rough, rough mix. There's no reason why I can't touch the people. But back then it wasn't like that. And once he told me that, I had, oh, shit. That nigga doesn't set off a rocket. What? He just got him. I ain't no way with that. I thought a nigga was pranking.

I'm gonna get mad at here. I'm like, why? Hey. Man, we do me fucking in that deep-haven conversation. Hey, you want to break somebody. All I can do is... Oh, I can do is this. I knew it was to the right.

I didn't get mad and fuck, bro. God damn. Why? Why? Why? It's a hell. I thought the nigger burst in the flame. I thought the nigger burst in the flame.

Dick. Fuck. I don't tell you what light of that was, but... I know. Yeah. I don't even know what I was talking about. Nick, you were talking about... Damn.

That's right. Shit. That shit, four. There. Now, Dallas. Oh, yeah. Dallas. Yeah, here we go.

The hell going on. That one. That shit scared the fuck out of me. Everybody, apparently. We would have... I said... Hey, I said, look you to go back. I don't like to do.

That's what I mean. That would be it. Go on with that bullshit. Jay O'Hip and explode, baby. And they're going to run that shit back, but we both got it. Hey, man, we both got it. Hey, but really, we're going. What they want?

Somebody's going to hit that d'nick a mustache, my one. Oh. Oh. That was terrible. Damn, bruce. Boom. Okay, regroup, regroup, regroup. Yeah.

Boom, find that out. Shit. When I'm about 17, turn to 18, I fly back to Orlando and I tell my mom I ain't going to college. I thought I was going to go to FAMU with my niggas and be a, really a therapist or a psychiatrist. I always get into people's minds and why they're the way they are. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Came to Atlanta, bro with $400.

Oh, that's another thing that fucked me up. made this money for the family so I learned over the years, had to endure certain things in high school that's not normal. And no one, again, I'm not gonna pinpoint, put at least a hundred, a hundred racks away from me. I was just gonna ask you a question before you even just said that. Okay. Because I'm listening.

Okay? And I'm listening. You're a child star. Number one in the country. Number one in the country. Pioneer of my time, my era, the millennium. You just saw your life transition. Yeah.

You're seeing a phase. Mm-hmm. Understand. You went from normal? Yeah. To now you're a superstar. Extraordinary at the time. Okay.

Still, but yes. Holidays are coming up. Things are happening. Nice Christmas. You're seeing things. You're paying attention to things. But you're noticing nobody's is consulting you. Correct.

Correct. Things are happening and then all of a sudden, you back in school. You keep having these quick transitions and resets and nobody is telling the superstar what is really going on. Correct.

As you grow your final things out because you just said, Dallas Austin saw you're 18. I've been trying to get you. Yeah. Now you're old enough. Yeah, yeah. Where's your mindset

once you realize what was going on and once you put one in one together? I think that my mother couldn't separate the mother and her, and then the business manager. And in hindsight, as a 38-year-old, I've learned that it's all about perspective, right? And I could be feeling some type of way about currency, which comes and goes, or I could look at my ethics that I have right now, my spirituality and my god.

foundation right now. I've never been how do I work this? Nothing's ever happened to me where I sold my soul. Understand what I'm saying? Never been on drugs. I've never been wrongfully touched.

I've never questioned who I am because of her too. So I paid more attention to okay my mom might have been a hard ass but she saved me from a lot of demons and a lot of of harmful things that I know some of my peers have experienced and that has way more

materialistically and monetarily, monetarily, but my soul is rich, my spirit is rich. I wear crocs and hoodies and basketball shorts. I'm a real floor to board. Slides with the high socks every day. I ain't into no designer for real. I got some pieces. Got a little roly for myself, a little Van Cleave, but I ain't never even look at this for time in my life, and I've had it for three years. I'm looking on the iPhone when you say that. So I thank my mother for saving my soul. Over me being 38 with 38 mil, and I'm soulless and unhappy and miserable and trying to find myself. I'm found.

My purpose is to spread godliness. My passion just so happened to be music. And that's where people get life misconstrued. So there was a part of me in my youth where I was feeling away. I never verbalized this to my mother to this day. But as I learned how cold the world is, how cold this industry is, bro, we came in this world broke, we're dying broke. Money came by you into heaven.

You feel what I'm saying? So I'm more purpose-driven than I am passion-driven. My passion is music, my passion is art. I'm good at it. It's always good at it, great at it. Comes easy to me. Never surprised myself musically. Haven't written my best song yet.

Understood. I did. Twenty-six years later from doing it professionally. But now, in hindsight, thank you, Mama. You know what I'm saying? For saving my soul. Because that's not for sale. And I wouldn't be happy and complete

if I knew I had to do something that's less than who I am and whose I am to garner it. Understood. Yeah. So shout out to my mom. Understood. That was a mouth full, yeah. Yeah. Paul.

True story. For sure. That's heavy. But it shows the maturity of the mindset of where you took it. Yeah, there's a lot of things you could do. Everything is about choices. We all have decisions. Right.

You feel what I'm saying? Perspective, bro, and being able to control the mind because thoughts become things and then things provoke action. Before we do anything in life, we thought at first. You thought. Then you acted upon that thought. Right. So if I can shift my perspective to find God in anything,

which I find God in everything. That's my new self. This is me probably doing a month to work. Me and you had a conversation outside about some, I appreciate you pulling me to the side, praying with me and giving me church. Because where two or more gathered, he is there. There we go. And what's crazy, I was going to do that anyway. You did it first, which came from a genuine place, and I appreciate that.

For sure. That's where I bask at, brother. I don't even say so many prayers for you in the last two years, bro, watching what you're going through. I appreciate it. Watching how you handle it. Watch how you carry it. Watch how you profess still, the glory of God. Carrying on, pushing on.

How can I quit? And my brother's still going. I would have never had this moment if I never kept going. But I never would have kept going if I can see you keep going. It wasn't my time to speak outside. You feel me? It was pointing to me, now I'm pointing to you. So I appreciate you for being a spiritual, godly, kingdom, man.

Every platform, brother, you gave God the glory. If one person at a time continues to embody those attributes, the world will be a lighter place. You're going to never be comfortable, bro. So get cozy being uncomfortable. You're going to always feel like the odd bod, even when you're the star in the room. Because it's in you, not on you. You always talk from the spirit. You're always moving the light.

You're always moving to love and the gracefulness of God. And for those chosen ones that answers the cause, boy, we got a fight to fight. We're gonna keep fighting. Yes, sir. Respect. Yes, sir. That's real.

We'll do with it. Amen. Show for sure. That's why we all, that's why I did what I did. I appreciate that. I want to let you know. You do what I'm saying? I appreciate that.

I needed that. You're a king. Like Spursion. Nick, it's crazy. Because we had this same, you even talk with Manna Fresh. When you entered my life, I had your tape. I had your tape. I'm 33 years old.

So to just even see us online and still is just letting us know that God is still working. You feel what I'm saying? I had to take, sitting in my room at 7. Like, I'm staring at it like, I'm putting my face on your body. I'm like, what the foot? Yeah, sir. Because I had a fro, too. You know what I'm saying?

But I'm like, I put this, and it's vivid because I remember I'm taking the tape out. Because I used to love all that shit, I'm just a tit and just, you know, the top. I used to hearing that shit and hearing the record play. Yeah, man. And you come on. I'm like, bro, a kid can have a tape, bro. Yeah, man.

They were making the scene like only adults can do this shit. Yeah, man. I was a superstar at early age. Yes, sir. knowing that it was possible. Thank you, brother. And that's the whole mission. I just aim to,

I aspire to inspire. Yeah. If I could do it, bro, anybody could do it. For sure. I just decided I was great at something. I actually good at the time and wanted to be great at it.

And then from there, life's going to happen. I know I'm great at this music thing because there was obstacle after obstacle, reset, after reset, and I never lost my mind. God never left me. I might have left him. But he always gave me,

my biggest fear in life, bro, is falling upon deaf ears. That's my biggest fear in life. praying and God no longer is listening to me. I got to ask you this, man, because you did get to see success at a very young age. What was that moment

that had you starstruck, though? It didn't happen until years later, bro. I'm like 18, 19. y'all remember 300 when you bowl at 300 bowling alley up here you know what I'm saying 300 that I like the bowl like the bro what's your host the shit I'm bowling my highest is 266 bro and I ain't even no real professional my regular allow it 50-something you're good that's good I'm 279 we got to go bowling I got a ball too in the back I got my hand car I got about seven oh yeah you're going crazy I ain't bullshit.

You got a bowling car. My, my, my, my, my, my. Ain't never but a bowling ball. Three seats. Now my first time being, uh, star struck. Yeah. At the moment that just had you like, what? I was 18, 19, bowling with my homies from high school.

Now I didn't graduate. I made it back to Atlanta. Right. Signed to Dallas Stars when we bowling. And bro, Usher. And shout out to Keith. They all in the private room to the left. Right.

Somebody, it could have been key Because I know, like, now they, like, keeps the bro. Right. He was like, yeah, Usher said, uh, you can bowl with them. Bro, I'm goddamn. You know what I'm saying? With my homies. And as soon as the homies was no longer the homies.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Because I watched Usher go from a child star to a teenage star to his early 20s to confessions. I was in 04, junior. I know when confessions came because that's when I started working on my falsetto. Because I couldn't understand what was going on. How is he hitting these high notes? What is that going on?

going on. I need, if I'm going to come back to the game, I need to learn how to do that. So just to be acknowledged by Usher, bro, and every time I saw him at the, you call them things in Vegas, Vegas. The Casinos? Residency. Residency, okay. Saw him at the residency. L.A. Reed saw me. Shout out to his wife. She saw me. We know each other. Took me up there to see him, bro. Anytime I see Usher, I have the utmost respect for him. I don't have much to say, knowing I have a lot to fucking say. I just can dab them up and just

be like, wow, this nigga just let me shake his hand and he knows me. He's like, oh, I saw him shopping, Christmas. This past Christmas. I'm in Saxfield. He in Saxfield with his wife on crutches. Fresh octa, I just saw him on the PPP tour, right? Not the PPP

was from pandemic, but past present, future tour. Yeah, that we go. And he was like, Sammy, come on Here, take a pitch, man. I ain't even want no pitch. I'm just like, man, just hill up. I love you, I saw your concert, it's crazy.

Oh, I wish I knew you was there, I woulda. I ain't got nothing to say, I just. You better start talking. Hey, man, let's do a song. Hey, yeah, let's do a song, me. Yeah, I'm just, uh, I've never seen somebody always so polished, so pure, and still evolving. You know what I'm saying?

Like, he's always usher to me. He's just always on his, A game. His worth ethic is like impeccable. So the time that I knew I arrived, I was like 18, 19. And then I have it framed at my house. It's a Vibe magazine. Usher's on the cover. And he said, I support the Chris Browns, the Trace songs, the Sammies, and the Lloyds of the world. That was it. That was my Grammy. That was it. Grammy to me. Usher. On the cover? Usher said that in the Vibe magazine. He's on the cover. And his main thing is I support Chris Brown. Tray songs, the Lloyds and the Sammies of the world. Wow. And I was in the grind when that came out. I was doing mixtape for free trying to get back on. Putting out things on LimeWire and YouTube and thatpiff.com, live mixtape.com.

This is when you went through the second transition. Right, right. My ex-manager took everything from him. I already had to go through shit coming off being number one. Now I'm back in the mix at least on screen tours and all that. And then my paperwork ain't right, ain't on my business because I trusted somebody. And that was a seven-year reset. So I went to a four-year reset and a seven-year reset.

But the seven-year reset was more humbling because I got bills. I had a crib and Fedburn. I bought my first house when I was 20. Wells Fargoes, they want theirs. I got a little whip outside. They want theirs. I got my sister living with me at this time. I got my brother coming in after that.

I got all the homies who needed a hedge. starting life, taking care of people. That's why God takes care of me. I've always done it from a pure place, even when I didn't have it. Right. Now I got the most money ever had at one time. And I'm still not rich in currency. I don't think people understand

rich is spirit. Riches favor. Riches people doing things because they like you. People is rich because you did for them and they, oh, I remember, bro, I was on my last eight, dog. You gave me $2,000 and he ain't want it back. I just do, I plant seeds. of greatness every day.

Rich is opening the door for an elderly woman. Rich is saying, yes, ma'am. Yes, sir. No, ma'am. Thank you. I appreciate you. That's rich. Want to get rich, drop little samples of godliness

everywhere you go. And I've been doing that. I would never go poor. I'm gonna always pray God. You feel what I'm saying? Yes, sir. So. I've been poor before.

It ain't that bad. But that was the second stamp. That was the second step. So I heard, because I hear you, because as a singer, we do transition and we learn things. Now, you've been singing for quite some times and you've got to rest and you got runs.

Now, you heard Usher, and you said, hold up, that's a falsetto. What is that? You got to give me the sauce. What did you do? Which song? Oh, so what I did was to even develop it. Right.

It's the best decision I made when I decided I wasn't gonna go to college and I was gonna come back to singing. Right. I joined the choir at my high school and we went on competitions. Now we're singing like classical music, singing things in different languages.

They made me the section leader and I don't still to this day know how to read music. So I was just looking and this is how you get your vowel, right? Because I was trying to do, oh, which is a rift, but it's, oh, it's about, about how you position all these things that I was like I was naturally gifted with music I used to just listen to Brian midnight voice men and I can hear usher and I can just mimic that mimic it no one taught me I never went to like vocal training until I got a deal then they turned

me how to run on the treadmill and sing at the same time run up a hill shout out to Marvin McIntyre if y'all don't know who that is new edition Sammy Lloyd Sierra and really I'm it's too I got to run. Yeah, but yeah, insane. Right. And control the breath. Right. So, I didn't know what a false was.

Like a falsetto is when most men, well, not even just men, because women do it all the time. But particularly it's more impressive because a man is going out of what his natural is. So if you can't hit this key that's up there, you can cheat it with a facade of. You can cheat it. You can cheat it. is when you chop it up. Right. Bravado is some things that, oh, what Trey does.

He sings with a lot of bravado. Bravado and crescendo is when you ascend. You come from all these things I'm learning in chorus. I knew how to do all of them. I just didn't know what they were called. And then I didn't know the placement and when to do it. So once I learned the chorus game, it took my R&B. game to another level. Go back now and listen to all my backgrounds. They're not R&B backgrounds.

Like infidelity, one of them. Yeah. It's actually called face to face, but the hook is, infidelity. You know what I'm saying? But listen to my background vocals. They're very choral created. You got an alto, you got a tenor. You got a soprano. I write all my music. You know, I was around Jazzy, Young, Dallas Austin, Young, Drey and Vidal, Young, B. Cox, Young, JD. I was 12 years old already trying to figure out how to formulate my own record. Jasper Cameron was the first one that was like, man, you don't need me to write for you, Shauder, you already got it. So I went downstairs, and I started working on mixtapes and writing on my own. And I started to learn when the beat would change from the verse to the B section.

B-section to the hook hook back to the second verse or maybe there's a post-hook and back then we did Bridges which was when the core changes happened met Troy Taylor who's my industry dad goat I know he's still

trying to give him in the last no no no and he's gonna put you through it I know you're gonna put you don't say that one ain't going to have that yeah yeah he's gonna put you through it I just I recognize greatness I respect it and I just study it so I can

if I can steal a little A little bit of Usher, a little bit of breezy, a little bit of tray, let me get that, Troy Taylor, let me get that, B Cox, let me get that, JD, let me get that. They give it to you now. It's on the internet. They show you how they do it. Now it's up to you to embody and study and become a student, and then sometimes the student becomes greater. Didn't the teacher, or can teach the teacher something. And for me to have lasted this long, I was able to evolve every time. I never went through a place where my voice was stuck in one spot. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. You know that like Little stage

Even when you came When you came back I'm like damn The nigga picked right back up Where you left all It was crazy I was in course Every Day 6 period

Learning what staccato was And falsettos was Right I just singing Different languages Right Just harmonizing with this We competed bro

We came in number two In a nation We competed with other schools Like what's the The show The movie classic Whopo Gober Where Wipa Gover

That's just that That was us I swear to God Go on YouTube You can see it. Come and finally chorus. The mighty, mighty chorus. Here's the monies so big guys.

Uh-huh. Came in the second place, my junior. That was us. That was us. Dead ass. That was us. That was us. That was us.

You know what I'm saying? That five. Came in second place my junior year, first place my singing year. And I was just doing it because I knew I wanted to suit music again and I hadn't sang a song in like two years. I was like, man, I got to get my shit together. And that's, and, see, people don't understand. Even with our background or how we grew up, people who really love music, we be in certain organizations because we like music. I was in the band. Correct. I was in the band. Correct. You couldn't be in the band in high school and walking in the high school with these band suits on. But guess what? I did it and you ain't going to say shit to me. Yeah, I didn't want to wear a tuxie. I had bent those, bro. Ugly.

Peel shoes I had on ibuprofen gang. Bro. I didn't want to wear a suit with a bowtops. They would get their ass whooped anymore. But the girls is in chorus. All the girls is in chorus. So that's really why I signed up. Yes, they were.

And then I end up loving Mr. Redden, now Dr. Redden. My core director, Dr. Redden, core director, excuse me, he has a Grammy. Tokyo. He has a Grammy. Right. Post me graduating. Some years ago, it inspired me. It's the only thing I'm, like, missing.

I did everything else I wanted to do. But even that's, like, a gang. And I don't play the game. Did. What, Grammy? Everything's a game. I'm saying? That's what you're saying.

That's the only thing I'm missing. Yeah, yeah. Grammy, Sammy has a ring to it. They should call that. Sammy. Yeah, or. Oh, now. That's the only thing I'm like,

and really just listen to. Just listen to the album. Who you were in, who was you? you impressed by when you was in the studio? I know you don't work with a lot of artists. Who was you impressed by when you're like... Like I collabed with or just watch work? Eric Bellinger.

The show. Yeah, Eric Bollinger. Shout out of it. Shout out of it. He put me on a tour, too, man. We toured. We toured 22, Vibes on Vibes Tour. He did a song with me called Show and Tell.

And then I owed him one. And I knew it was on, though, because I just know how fast and how prolific his So I'm like, uh-oh, you know, if I think I'm him, then my hymn, my hemithe, you're going to need the goddamn surface. And that man gets on the booth, he's smoking weed. So I don't do no bad stuff when it's time to really like, like, I can sip tonight because we're chilling, we vibing. But I try not to, I can sip a little bit in the studio. You don't want to do nothing that can go against your voice. So I'm watching him smoke, and then he's writing, and he's just rifting and floating.

And I was like, how? You knew, niggas. That's gift. You know what I'm saying? Right. But I wrote my person about 15 minutes. And I only go one way. That's another thing.

Like, what I hear first, it's either that or not that. And 90% of the time it's that. Every song that y'all talking about, it was my first idea. Because I feel like music is not a thought, it's a feeling. Remember, I'm coming from the spirit every time. If I gotta think about this too long, I'm good. Nah, that ain't mine.

Go to another track. track. He played it, I wrote it, I sang it, did the harmonies, and then he was like, I knew you was me. And that was my greatest compliment that I got from one of my favorite writers, because, in artists, because I was like, in my head, like, I don't come with it, bro, you know what I'm saying? He's going to let you know. He going to let me know. He was like, no, I knew you was the same beast. And to me, it felt like how Jordan probably recognized Cole. I love Eric Bellinger because there's nothing there's no box you can put him in yeah and he's underrated but he's such a great guy for sure for sure such a humble guy such a uh

there's no ego there's only art and ethics and morals and that's the principles I stand on so yeah I would shout out to E. Yeah I would shout out to I would say E.B. Chazzy Faye's always the same since I've been a kid. For sure. Jermaine Dupre knows I respect him but I respect Jermaine Dupre more than he knows. I respect them. That's hard. You feel what I'm saying? Jermaine DePree, bro.

Do y'all know how much of a living icon still that he is in the things, in the innovation, in the bow-wows, and the criss-crosses, and the brats, and the day-ees? I feel the same way about Jazzy Faye. Same, that's what I'm saying. They got to put more emphasis on Faye now, man. They go hard to. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a goat. Teapang. Yep. Had the pleasure of, you know, T-Pain is, um. talent, we've kind of maybe still never seen that. You feel what I'm saying? He embodies a sound that the whole world took, took, and then tried to play him for it.

I don't respect that, you know what I'm saying? So it's a lot of people, man. Anybody you see me work with, I'm not working with him because it's for me. Or it's a look. It's because I respect them. I have an admiration for him, and I want to learn something. But that's a lot, man, of artists that I worked with in my time, or producers that I've got to sit behind and study that might have not known I was watching them.

Who you haven't worked with that you would like to work with? Usher, first. He didn't work with Usher yet? I've never worked with Usher Raymond. You know this cow's famous. Usher Raymond. This guy's famous for making motherfuckoldly wishes come true. I would like to earn my respect and work with Usher before it's all said and done.

I'm a big Drake fan. I respect the run that he's still on, you know what I'm saying, in spite of. For sure. Drake is phenomenal. Next to like the old Kanye, Drake is my guy. And then Brandy. And now we're going to detox, not smoke, not drink, to be able to, even at a minuscule level, keep up with her vocally.

Because Brandy is my favorite vocalist, her and Kimberrail of all time. Yeah. I can hear it. I don't care what it is. It's going to be crazy. Brandy, bro. Bro, brandy is... Her voice is beautiful.

That's not even the word. It's just like, it's not of this world. If you never believe in heaven, then just listen to Brandy. Have you said this before? No. Because this is the couch of magic. I'm trying to tell you now. Like Brandon.

And the great part of you work with her brother. Ray J is my brother. But, again, I want to earn all mine. I don't, I don't... You gotta start talking, bro. See, fuck up, bro. Tell Rayleigh call his sister on the phone. You just gets me through the phone, man.

Right. Brandi, bro. Conversation, bro. Huh? Conversation of rudination. That's true. I don't know if you hungry and you don't tell me you want to play. That's true.

I'm saying it now, though. I'm saying it now, though. People want to work with you the same way you want to work with them. they just don't even know. Y'all both, ain't nobody sitting shit. I'm saying it. I'm saying it. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I love you.

Drizzi, love you, and Brandy, I adore you. And, uh, yeah, those will be. Why can you get all three of the future? Those would be the, those, those, yeah, those will be the top three that I, I'm good. I'm good. Usher, come on, man, that's my idol. He's the reason why I picked up a microphone. I saw Usher and just thought he was the coolest thing and still.

Right. Moving. That's just always... What's your favorite us, like video? I would have to go after the night. Don't leave your girl around me. It would be that because... Yeah.

Because he just has this coolness about him. That's cool that, man. It's just, you know, again, you can't coach that, you can't teach that. And I believe that's the 80701 album. He was just in his biggest. in his biggest of bags. Confessions, don't get me wrong. That's the one, the whole album.

8701 was kind of like an artistry with the show artists. Like, I'm an art, and I'm about to go to the next. I don't feel like it was a good. Confessions? I don't feel like it doesn't drop. He's always been cool. He's always been cool. My way.

Thank you. Thank you. My way is my favorite video. That's my favorite video. My one is my biggest is at in the middle of the video. And then he even tell you why. I just woke up with a fucking iPad on, do you know what this shit? Yeah, it was phenomenal.

My way was my favorite video. My way was my favorite video. And false gangsters. I would say caught up. Alright, man. I caught up. The dance fight. Caught up too.

Caught up. Cause up. When they got into that battle. It was getting a turn up. He's about to go crazy. He's going to go crazy, bro. If he's going to battle you, he fin to turn up. That went to goddamn, what the butt.

Ball head. Tyree. He had lit ring, no ring, and chin ring. I said, that did creak. You had a forehead ring, with the head. I said, did it read, no reed. You had a derma. Ain't.

Since he came out? That's what I'm saying. When you came out, when they like 14? And he's 45. Yeah, he's 14, 15 years old. So Usher is my goat, and Drake is one of my rap goats. And then Brandy, I can't, I can't even create the verbiage to express how much I love Brandis. That's gonna be beautiful.

That's gonna be beautiful. I just know it's beautiful. She's amazing, bro. Yeah. Damn. Man, we could talk this. Sammy, man. We could talk this shit all, man.

This is how deep the conversation you're going to be it, man. We ain't even introduced this nigga the whole time. Come on. Yeah, we did just go into it. Come on. You know what you're right. Welcome back to the 85 times. You don't get.

We deep in it. Yeah, man. We might have to start a whole new series for this DC, the Young Legend series. I appreciate that. We got a real. You're running the building, man. I appreciate that. Hold on, hold on.

I don't know if Icon is the word. It's more so, it's beyond icon status. It's like Hall of Fame shit. You feel, me? Because we really got more Hall of Famers than any other culture out there. And I think the only thing that we be missing is the love and support.

We be letting the love fade away and not embracing that. When I say the, I am respect. the moment when you introduced, when you was institution to my life. Yes, sir. And now I'm seeing it, I'm like, it was a reason why I was staring at that tape. Cassette. It was a reason. That's crazy right there. I was getting hope from another knicker. Yes, sir. That I was gonna

meet. And pray folk. And pray folk. And influence. And inspire. It's deep. It's spiritual. It's deep. God's design, man. Thank y'all first and foremost for having me. It's a blessing, it's an honor to be on 85 South Dogg. This is legendary already. And y'all just now built this platform. I know y'all been working behind it since maybe for a long time for it to manifest. But it's manifested.

We appreciate it. You feel what I'm saying? I was excited to do this. But we went one down with the fucking intro, nigger. Keep going. The intro, nigga, you're beyond icon. You're a Hall of Famer. I love that.

You a legend. Thank you, brother. More than just a star. Yes, sir. One of the moguls in the game, man. Yes, sir. And it don't matter the brakes. We didn't look at them as breaks.

Yes, sir. We was weighing on you. I'll tell you, that's a real shit. Thank you. I ain't lying. You feel me? It's a real shit. We was weighing on you.

I was scared. Because every time you dropped, we'd roll right back with you. Yes, sir. Dig what I'm saying? And it's an honor just to be sitting amongst legends when it's longevity, bro. 26 years, brother. 26 years. Yeah, man.

We got none of them. the icon, the legend, Hall of Famer, himself. First, valet. First. First. First. Child star. Number one.

First. Yes, sir. Not another. Salmon. Sammon. Come on, man. Thank you. I appreciate that.

I appreciate that. Come on, OG. I appreciate that. You did this shit. That's love right there. Yeah, that what I said. And I, you know, because last time I heard that you were young, you know what I'm saying, when I was young. So then when I heard that album, I'm like, okay.

Because what I, you know how I, too, would be having like other people, like other people that you might hear. Yeah, that you listen to. I seen you. I was like, what the fuck? I was like, oh, yeah, I'm on him all day. That on my album, but. Yeah, man. I'm waiting for you in there.

I ain't lie. Thank y'all, man. That makes, bro. I can't tell y'all how full my soul, my spirit, my heart is. I never even did it to be anything beyond who I am. Right. Makes sense. Right.

Just wanted to be myself. And I always prayed that myself was enough. And after 26 years of staying innovative, reinvent myself, evolving and not evaporating, in the way I did it independently, 90% of my whole career, brother, I've been putting my own money into my albums, sequencing of myself, vocal arranging myself. So when you ask like, who's right, who will be right? I'm like, oh, that's beautiful that you hear. Because when to lose, blame me.

And to win. And when don't mean money, wind don't mean fame, fortune, girls, none of that. When it means I gave this man hope. I gave you some inspiration that you could be greater than what you maybe thought you could be. And to be sitting amongst fellow kings that are doing something that.

I inspire to be a part of a podcast that's shifting the culture that's controlling their narrative that don't let nobody come on this couch and lead this couch and disrespect them I watch y'all you feel what I'm saying what the boy be watching you hear what I'm saying so now I'm a part of history I know I know everything that I talked about in God's due time with faith and works. Will manifest because I'm in the right place at the right God, Devontime.

Yes, sir. Let them know what they can follow you at. When you're dropping that letter out, man. So we don't have a date, right? I got to get on for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're still working. I'm 29 songs in, though. I swear, bro.

That sounded like you weren't going to get me on to my nigga. No, no, we're working. Come on, come on. We were going to act, actually, actually. Actually, yeah, yeah, watch this. Watch this. Watch this. I'm like that.

Hold on, yeah. You said he's about to drop a 40 or a 50 piece. Yeah, I'm dropping a 40, 50 piece, first of all. Let me get 42. A side and B side. No, no, I actually want you to be the 40th song. I told you there's power in God, right, in neurology. And 40 meant so much in the Bible.

It's a lot of times that 40 was significant. Right. And you just said a prayer for me outside. So I want to call it, you know what I'm saying? D.C.'s prayer. And we're going to do something for the Lord. You did. I did.

I'm with it. I'm going to like, Kurt. Now, you know, I get Kirk on the line, Kurt! Call it 40 days and 40 nights. Call it 40 days and 40 nights, bro. You know what I'm saying? It's 40 days. 40 nights.

No, you're on the album for show. But no date on it because I'm really just in the place, man. I got a press run in New York for a week next month. Let them know your social media. Oh, social media. We keep it real fluent. Sammy always. S-A-M-M-I-E- always.

A-L-W-A-Y-S. W-A-Y-S, that's Instagram, that's my X, aka Twitter. That's threads, the website, and then my, what's up, Snapchat is Sammy Lee Bush, S-A-M-M-I-E-L-E-I-G-H, B-U-S-H. And they can find show dates. Yeah, show dates, tour dates. I don't know when this is going to air, so I'll just let you know what I got coming just in case. Even if one music fest with RSVP, shout out to my brother, Ray J, myself, Bobby Valentino. And pleasure P.

You know, we've been rocking heavy since the verses. And then, um... Glad to see y'all brotherhood. No, it's like, yeah. You know, the new rap pack of 2025 has been beautiful. And then I got so many business things that I'm doing. If you have in Atlanta, who good drinks, restaurant, bar, the vibes. Come to Crew Camp Creek.

I'm a part owner and that. That's all right. Yeah. Simply Naked Candle Co. We got a shop where you can make your own candles. Great for a date night. where you can rent out the space if you're shooting content. I've been in that since 2021 as well.

So that's the thing. Like, I can step away because I want to be uncomfortable and master other things. I never just wanted to be one-dimensional. I want to diversify all the talents God has gifted me with. But the journey is on the way. You know what I'm saying? The new album, 7 studio album, and my last R&B studio album. I love y'all so much.

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