The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - SHANNON BRIGGS in the Trap! | 85 SOUTH SHOW

Episode Date: March 15, 2024

Former professional boxer SHANNON BRIGGS is in the trap!   || 85 SOUTH App: www.channeleightyfive.com || Twitter/IG: @85SouthShow || Our Website: www.85southshow.com || Custom Merch: www.85apparelco.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an IHeart podcast. Join IHeart Radio and Sarah Spain in celebrating the one-year anniversary of I-Hart Women's Sports. With powerful interviews and insider analysis, our shows have connected fans with the heart of women's sports. In just one year, the network has launched 15 shows and built a community united by passion. Podcasts that amplify the voices of women in sports.

Thank you for supporting IHeart women's sports and our founding sponsors, Elf Beauty, Capital One, and Novartis. Just open the free IHeart app and search IHeard women's sports to listen now. I knew I wanted to obey and submit, but I didn't fully grasp

for the rest of my life what that meant. For My Heart Podcasts and Rococo Punch, this is The Turning, River Road. In the woods of Minnesota, a cult leader married himself to 10 girls and forced them into a secret life of abuse. But in 2014, the youngest escaped. Listen to the Turning River Road

On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If a baby is giggling in the back seat, they're probably happy. If a baby is crying in the back seat, they're probably hungry. But if a baby is sleeping in the back seat, will you remember they're even there? When you're distracted, stressed, or not usually the one who drives them, the chances of forgetting them in the back seat are much higher. It can happen to anyone. Parked cars get hot fast and can be deadly.

So get in the habit of checking the back seat when you leave. A message from NHTSA and the Ad Council. Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebeney, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm Ebeney, and every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black of the Black of the United States. Podcast Network. Tune in on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness. I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few

of the powerful stories I'll be mining on our upcoming 12th season of family secrets. We continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told. told stories. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm like, what's ain't, what's having to go to it? I'm good show you.

I appreciate it. Those boys go crazy. What are you doing? How you doing? How you doing? My boys go crazy. What? What?

They're going to go crazy. You know what? You kind of turn. Oh, man. Oh, man. You're going to make sure. Hey, y'all make you guys. Hey, y'all make you move on.

Bigger said, much well. Chris Ducker. I get with my producer. We'll make sure we got off the film. I'll just tell the fly, they never, uh. Mike Epps and Chris Ducker never been on a movie together. So you've never seen those energies, that same type of energy on one thing. That's deep.

What I noticed about the comments with the people seeing me and fly together, they think it's hell of funny, right? Because of the energies. And I'm like, damn, that's like if Chris Tucker and Mike Edwinner did a movie. Like, it was in the movie together, man. They need this. A couple of scenes. You were right? A couple scenes.

That should have been hell of funny. That should have been hell of funny. I'm like, nigg, we're here a nigga do it. These nigs letting us get on it. I seen that interview. They think he said, we can't even do it no more. We didn't get older. That I felt the same shit.

Nick, I ain't been to play no nigga son, I'm a grown-haven man. I'm like, well? I thought great-thead. We do a life-father like son to her. That motherfucker go with me. That shit would go crazy. That shit would go crazy.

That'd be crazy. Jay-O-N? Play me some pimping, man. We do not have time to fucking around the day. I'm going to move around with you. Oh, look at them, Jen. Look at him. Look the fly.

We're not playing today. We're getting straight down to Biss. They see, we're getting straight to it. We got a certified ass whoopper in here with us today. A real ass woofler. Browfield, right. Never will. That's right.

You're taking it on. Let's go try. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. No, no, no, no. No.

No. When nigger got chain gang energy in the free world. Oh, man. That's a whole other. That's a whole other. When you took that dick of food. That was a whole different level. Oh, man.

And you, I'm talking about literally like, oh, this is my fool. Matter of fact, this is my fault. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was like that. This nigga Shaddy Braves had to be putting ecstasy pills in them smoothies. That digger was drips. But this nigga ain't got no shirt on. This nigga got his box.

This thing got the swim trunks on, no bras. Let's go, Charles. Let's go, Jeff. And he was chasing Ukrainians around the world, Nick. They just looking at his ass. They don't even understand what he's saying. Let's go, Cher. They're like,

Black guy, what's wrong? What's wrong? What's fucking? Yeah, fuck all that. Let's go, chap. I'm like, man, this nigga is ready to fight. We knock that nigga off that boat, man. I said, bro.

How was you finding this nigga, man? Oh, man. You know, he was living in my neighborhood at the time. I had a spot in probably with Beach. And I was like, I was on Virginia Street, he was like eight blocks away. So people were always telling me, we would always say, yo, I just seen Clisco.

And one time, I just missed him in a supermarket. So it was a girl who worked in his building. She was like, he'd be out there every day on the waitboard or whatever. I was like, word. So I went out there, like, once or twice, he wasn't out there. Right. And then the third day, we went out there, we seen him. So he went and got on my man boat and came back, but then he, we thought he disappeared.

Right. And I was like, nah, nah, wait, look. I see him. And it was like, nah, we're going back. We had been a good for an hour. And then he's seen him. He was a little speck. He was getting closer and closer.

And then, but, you know, I got a little, now he'd get in trouble, but the cops called me and was like, yo, you know, he could have died and we might be pressing charges on. You all you. I had a lot of, you know, stuff going on over that shit. What's me? Fuck you, let's go, champ. If he dies, he dies, fuck me, champ.

We wouldn't kill nobody else. No, but check this out, though. Like, even if I had never seen none of your fights, I would have been a fan just by the amount of shit that you talk. It's just my, it's a certain place in my heart for people who talk shit. That's why I fuck with social media so hard.

I don't never have to meet these people, but I know if there's people getting up every day taking the chance of talking the most shit, I feel like that's my tribe. So what a slogan came from? I duh, you're a champion. Oh, look, we didn't even do this right. We got to then.

Welcome back to the 85 South Show. Welcome back. Let's go, Chap. Let's go, Chap. We're bringing out the Chap and everybody today. I know that you and DC are such boxing fans. I'm gonna split this intro up. Let's go, Chap.

I'm gonna split it up because this is definitely one of the legends. Oh, man. Of Boxing. And it's like, you know, we talk about classic matches and shit like that. We watch them on the road when in the hotel and shit like that. and shit like that and we definitely watch all your clips and you know we fans and we fuck with the energy that you bring to the end to the game and we just we're static to have you here and traveled us none other than Shannon the Kennan Bridge

oh man thank you chair thanks for having me i appreciate y'all for real for i got a direct quote i finally made it man i finally made it Bob look at me now y'all y'all Nah, you've been and made it. Look, man, we got a direct quote from Lennox Lewis that said you had the fastest hands and the best punching power of anybody he ever fought. Sheesh. That's saying something.

He fought Mike Tyson. Yeah, yeah. I was all right, man. I was all right, you know. That's how much. I was all right. I did my thing, you know, I did the best I could under my circumstances.

I was born with asthma. You know, I ain't had no brothers and sisters growing up. I was the only child. They picked on me, you know what I was bullied. And then I got sick of it one day. And I was like, I'm gonna fight back, you know, I started fighting back. And then I, I literally like almost fell in love with the art of fighting. You know what I would go ask people how to slap box and do everything.

And then I was homeless at the age of 14 and then I stumbled across the boxing gym, like 16, 17. What city? Brownsville, from Brownsville. Oh, my God. I'm from Brownsville, which is in Brooklyn. Damn, right, yeah. It's his own city. It's his own town.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I'm from theville and, you know, that was, you know, that was his own city. a big part of my, you know, beginning growing up there, because, you know, you had to be here to fight there, you know. Before the guns came out, you had to be able to, you know, get busy. So, you know, I picked that, I picked that up early, learning how to fight. You grew up in the time with Brownsville was super live and all type of hip-hop going on. The fashion was crazy. The ladies were gorgeous. The drug dealers really was multi-millionaire

type shit. They was doing anything. When New York was at the prime. It was crazy. It was crazy. It was crazy. You know, it was the age, 70. First it was the 70s. And then that was like all times, you know what I mean, Britain, Brooklyn. And then the 80s came and, you know, it was rough in the beginning of the early 80s. And then, you know, crack cocaine came. And that's when young people started getting money. It was the first time in history that young kids, I'm talking about 13, 14 years old,

was having $1,000, $2,000 in the pocket. In the history of the planet, young black male men having, enough money to go buy cars and stuff like that. So it changed the community, you know what I'm saying? I don't ever, I look back in those 80s and I don't feel good about them because a lot of my family, my mom had an addiction. A lot of people, my family was on crack, you know what I'm saying,

and drugs, so, you know, it was a rough time. And then, like I said, the mid-80s came, my mom was on drugs bad, you know, people was like, yo, you want to hustle. And I was like, you know, I don't count too good. to be hustling y'all might want to kill me later for the money and i was fortunate to find boxing you know what i mean i got into that and it saved my life man i was homeless like i said and um you know that was the way out for me i made it i was fortunate to get on the

u s 18 i was a 1992 champion and that led me to the olympic trials unfortunately i broke my hand you can see that god damn champ got a butt cheek on his fist god damn Yeah. Look at this face. You broke that with you. It was 14? Yeah. But you weren't professional with this same damn hand.

Yeah, man. Yeah, I broke both of them. Look at that. Oh, shit. There's some big-ass broke hands. I was gunning, man. I had asked me so, like, you know what I could have to breathe. So I had to get my seat off quick.

You know what I'm saying? Had to get it off quick, you know what I mean? Man, that's so crazy. Because, you know, growing up in what I grew up in the city of D.C., like boxing was, like, it was kind of like a prayer of pack. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what it's like this.

Come on, champ. Come on, champ. Come on. I'm the first osmetic heavyweight champion in the world. Yeah. Heavyweight champion, is asthmatic. So, you know, it was like a right of passes. Like, you had to know how to fight in some capacity.

But it was just so many people that understood the art of boxing that kind of came with the neighborhood a little bit. Some people kind of retracted from it and ran away from it. But it was something I always loved. So I know that for me, it always used to give me a release from whatever. from whatever was going on, you know what I mean, a legal release, if you will, that I can go and just get the aggression off. You know what I mean? If it was a problem, they had put us in the, put the gloves on, that type of thing. So, like, being as though you grew up the way that you did, at what point did you realize that really boxing was the thing for you to do professionally, not just in the neighborhood like we all might do, but going pro is something different. I mean, you know, to be honest with your champ, I ain't had many options. I mean, I really tried, though.

I mean, I had literally been working. I started working when I was eight years old, you know what I'm saying? I was packing bags at the supermarket. And then I was selling newspapers. I had caught a newspaper route. That was a whole other story with somebody else's route. But I had caught a newspaper route. And then, you know, I was doing different things.

I was always working. You know what I mean? I worked in ice cream parlor. You know, and then we saw it get older. And then crack cocaine came out, like I said, the mid-80s. and everybody was driving fly cars and dukey rope chains and fresh adidas and i was like you know i wanted that too but i you know hustler was it for me because like i said i had family members on drugs i didn't feel good selling drugs and watching what it did to you know to my people and

literally it really took out like two i want to say three four generations of black people I've seen, I've seen, like, grandmothers get on crack, the daughter, the granddaughter, the sons, and then, like, that whole family, bloodline, die because it's from drugs, you know what I'm saying. So, for me, you know, that wasn't my thing. And, you know, after, you know, 335 was what they was paying back there for hour, you know what I mean. So that wasn't really doing it. I tried to get jobs and all that, but boxing was the best route. You know, I would go to the gym, and I remember my coach would be like, you'll give you $5 if you,

spa somebody and what five dollars I could get like four chicken wings and fries you know what I'm saying soda you know what I'd spore a few people get it could get like five ten dollars and I was like you know what this the only thing paying me you know I mean jobs is coming and going you know I mean so I got back into that and um I got locked up one time too I got some trouble just trying to be you know doing something I shouldn't have been doing and like I said you know what I think the best thing for me was that I was never good at crime you know I think that was the best thing for me. I learned early that, you know, I would get in trouble and I'd be like,

damn, you know what, this just getting locked up shit ain't for me, you know what I mean? And then my pops died in jail. My mom's died, to overdose on my birthday. So all these things was putting me in a place where I was like, damn, I'm going to end up just like dumb if I don't do something different. So I went to the gym. And then I was nice too. I had hands, you know what I mean? I had good hand skills. You know, I was, I could see punches coming and move, you know what mean? You remember your first professional fight? Yeah. Yeah, I fought John Jackson, July 24th, 1992. Don't know, what date that is?

July 24th, 1992. I was two months old. Come on, man. You're 10 for real, you're a legend, man. Thank you, Jack. I was in the ring. July 24th, 1992. I, um, it was crazy because like, and I was in the streets,

I was kind of moving around, doing silly stuff, and then I was like, damn, you know, I have friends that was hustling. They was getting knocked. Someone was going to get locked up. Someone wasn't. Someone was having minor success. You know, we thought back in the days if you had, you know, $20,000, you was filthy, filthy rich, you know what I'm saying?

But that wasn't the case, you know, especially the time that brothers was getting. I know people that, you know, some coming home now from the 80s, you know what I mean? But I say a lot to say, you know, boxing for me was just, it was a life-changing experience that, you know, I'm, it gave me more than just a living. It saved my life, you know what I mean? Like I said, it taught me how to control myself, you know what I mean? When I was stressed out, I go to the gym, and it helped me, you know what I mean? But going back to that July 24th, 1992, I was just recently in the streets, and 20 years old,

and my boy, he was like, yo, you're fighting in the month, my manager at the time. And, you know, you never really count the days. And then, you know, they was like, yo, come on, we're going to fight. I was like, damn, what? She came all right. I was waiting for real. So you're trained for a ring? I trained.

I was training with Teddy others at the time. He was my first coach. We had trained, but that's a wild. That's a bad dude. Yeah. You ever met him? No, I ain't ever met him, but I met him. Oh, I met.

Hey, I've met Teddy Adles for a future. He was my first trainer. Yeah. He loved a good dirty joke, don't he? Oh, bro. He would tell you. He got a million of them. Yeah, good guy.

A solid guy. He taught me a lot. He was my first professional trainer. And, you know, like I said, I turned pro that night. I mean, literally that night, I was in the ring, and I was like, damn, the bell's about doing it. I'm like, I'm sitting a brick, but I'm playing it all.

And the bell rang, and I swear to God, your champ, he cracked me. The first punch of the fight, you get, you know, anybody at home, Google that fight, Shannon Braves pro debut, and yo dude cracked me. Wow, you can hear it, and the whole gym was quiet. I mean, the whole arena was quiet. You heard, bah, it sounded like a gunshot, cracked me. And I took it. and I was looking at him like

damn he knocked the shit out me right Satan I'm playing it on and I got my composure and I got him out of there but it was welcome to the pros you know what? You knocked him out? You ain't seen it coming? You know what? I guess

he threw an overhand right he did that shit smooth because he was rushing with his head right so he did the face paid attention to the head and he didn't see the hand and caught the shit out he caught the blah and I was like

damn but I stopped him in the first round that I had like I want to say non-first-round knockouts after that. Well, I do want to say, not to, you know, give myself a blow job, but I got the most first-round knockouts in, and, and, heavyweight chance, 37. Yeah. Yeah.

I had to say that, you know what I'm saying? We solution like that. You know what I'm saying? I had to pat myself on the back. I got the most first-round knockouts in heavyweight champion history, more than any other heavyweight champion. But see, that's what I want to ask you about, like, you know, the boxing divisions is, you know,

You know, everybody, if you're a boxing fan, you appreciate, you know, all divisions, but it ain't nothing like... Oh, I'm sorry. What I say? No, New York. I said something earlier. Oh, I, I, I mean. You were saying, blow job. I said myself.

I can't get myself. That, I'm just looking at your fist. I said, I'm going to just let that slide. You see me, man. You see what I'm sitting over here traumatized like that. What I just say, divisions? You can't say divisions no more. My man, my man.

But it's nothing like the heavyweight division, man, in boxing, because that's the big money division. Like, so what, from your opinion, being a former champion and being a, you know, somebody that boxed in the 90s all the way through, what happened to the heavyweights, man? Oh, shit. Real heavyweights, man. I mean, I don't think nothing happened. I think what happened was in the 80s. The American heavyweight, I'll say. Again, I think what happened in the 80s was we had Mike Tyson, and Mike Tyson changed the history of the world.

You know, he was a young, short, stocky street dude. You know what I mean? No socks, no shorts, no shorts, no role knocking people out. He was from Brownsville from the streets, you know what I'm saying? The gutter. We're the gutter. Like, you talk about Brownsville, you talk about the gutter. You know what I mean?

So he was, he changed history. And he made every young person who was a, who couldn't make it in football or he wanted to be a boxing, wanted to be a heavyweight, wanted to be like Mike Tyson, even me, you know what I'm saying? I wanted to be like, I didn't want to be like Mike Tyson, oddly enough. I wanted to be like Ali, and I was saying I'm going to be able to beat Tyson with this style, with my Ali style, because naturally I was a boxer. But here, this man was the greatest heavyweight of all times, and I was an amateur kid looking at him like, but he was inspiring me,

even the thought of one day possibly fighting him or what I would do. Well, he inspired me to even, you know, get into it, really, to be honest with you. Because I was watching him in like 86, and I ain't really get into the boxing to 88. So you think that that's the reason why the heavyweight division, and we haven't seen another prominent heavyweight champion in America because even with the Cliskos and the, you know, the Furies and, you know, we had Deonté Wilder, but that's the closest we didn't get in since your era in that early 90s since we'd have had a dominant black heavyweight champion. So is it the fact that people don't, is it the training? Is it from your opinion? Is it the lack of training or is it the lack of training or is it the lack of. talent from your opinion i think i think that you know a lot of big men don't want to uh keep a lot of big men rather play basketball or they rather uh they rather uh they rather play football than get hit for a living you know what i'm saying it's a hard man getting punched in the face

champ it ain't easy you know what i'm saying i'm gonna get it real not just the face the body that's the real shit that's the niggia hit me in the stomach it's over me yeah that's worse so it take a lightness the dedication it takes to make it in boxing and if you The truth of the matter is, it's rare that you're going to make it, bro. I'm going to keep it real with you. Like, it's really like a lot of because you've got to be able to fight. You've got to be able to have a good manager. And you can be the best fight in the world if nobody to know about you.

You've got to be able to be promotable. You got to be able to be sellable where the people want to see. You know what I mean? Markable. So take us back. Big words. I mean, sell them cool, but Markable was the more respectful word. Take us back to the night when you won your title.

Which one? like the preparation first one first one that's always the best it's always the best yes well is it but you got in your case is it well you know to be honest with you champ uh i won my first i want to say amateur title in 1990 so what's the difference you got to see i don't know the term or not it i feel like once a nigga get a belt you got to respect this you're amateur before you turn pro yeah okay i was amateur uh and i had to I had won the Empire State Games and that shit to me was like one of the biggest feelings in my life, champ, to that point.

You know, I was 18 years old, you know, I had never had no success in life, really other than, you know, no success. I didn't do good in school, you know what I mean? I was having a rough life, homeless, you know, on and off, and then I won that title and it was like, damn, I felt like I did something, you know what I, I felt like I could be more than just a prisoner, you know what I mean? I can do so with my life, that shit. And that's what I'm about, man.

Like, you know, I tell people I'm traumatized from my childhood because it was so beautiful. I had a beautiful mother, I had a beautiful house home, and then I lost everything. And I was homeless, sleeping in the exit of a building that I would find, sleeping in cars, you know what I'm saying, sleeping at a friend's house. You know, a couch baby, living from place to place.

And then it traumatized me enough to become successful. And I said, one day I'm gonna be able to help, know, kids like myself. You know, when I'm doing that now, we started the Brownsville Boxing Academy. We just purchased a building in Brownsville, and we're going to open up a gym. You know what I mean? Let's go, man. Thank you.

Good. Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebeney, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm Ebeney, and every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. On Pretty Private, we'll explore the untold experiences of women of color who faced it all. Childhood trauma, addiction, abuse, incarceration, grief, mental health struggles, and more. And found the shrimp to make it to the other side. My dad was shot and killed in his house.

Yes, he was a drug dealer. Yes, he was a confidential informant, but he wasn't shot on a street corner. He wasn't shot in the middle of a drug deal. he was shot in his house unarmed. Pretty Private isn't just a podcast. It's your personal guide for turning storylines into lifelines. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect Podcast Network.

Tune in on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness, the way it has echoed and reverberated throughout your life, impacting your very legacy. Hi, I'm Danny Shapiro, and these are just a few of the profound and powerful stories I'll be mining on our 12th season of Family Secrets. With over 37 million downloads, we continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. I can't wait to share 10 powerful new episodes with you,

stories of tangled up identities, concealed truths, and the way in which family secrets almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests for this new season of Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The OGs of Uncensored Motherhood are back and badder than ever. Erica. And I'm Mila. And we're the host of the Good Mom's Bad Choices podcast, brought to you by the Black Effect Podcast Network every Wednesday. Historically, men talk too much.

And women have quietly listened. And all that stops here. If you like witty women, then this is your tribes. With guests like Corinne Steffens. I'd never seen so many women protect predatory men. And then me too happened. And then everybody else wanted to get pissed off because the white said it was okay. Problem. My oldest daughter, her first day in ninth grade, and I called to ask how I was going. She was like, Oh, dad, all they were doing was talking about your thing in class. I ruined my baby's first day of high school. And slumflower. What turns me on is when a man sends me money.

Like, I feel the moisture between my legs when a man sends me money. I'm like, oh my God, it's go time. You actually sent it? Listen to the Good Mom's Bad Choices podcast every Wednesday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. The I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you go to find your podcast. Adventure should never come with a pause button. movie pass era, where you could watch all the movies you wanted for just $9, it made zero and I could not stop thinking about it. I'm Bridget Todd, host of the tech podcast, there are no

girls on the internet. On this new season, I'm talking to the innovators who are left out of the tech headlines, like the visionary behind a movie pass, Black founder Stacey Spikes, who was pushed out of movie pass, the company that he founded. His story is wild and it's currently the subject of a juicy new HBO documentary. We dive into how culture connects us. When you go to France, or you go to England, or you go to Hong Kong, those kids are wearing Jordans, they're wearing Kobe's shirt, they're watching Black Panther. And the challenges of being a Black founder. Close your eyes and tell me what a tech founder looks like. They're not going to describe someone who looks like me and they're not going to describe someone who looks like you.

I created There Are No Girls on the Internet because the future belongs to all of us. So listen to There Are No Girls on the Internet on the IHurt Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you. you get your podcasts. If a baby is giggling in the back seat, they're probably happy. If a baby is crying in the back seat, they're probably hungry. But if a baby is sleeping in the back seat, will you remember they're even there? When you're distracted, stressed, or not usually the one who drives them, the chances of forgetting them in the back seat are much higher.

It can happen to anyone. Parked cars get hot fast and can be deadly. So get in the habit of checking the back seat when you leave. The message from NHTSA and the Ad Council Man. Do you feel now, you know, being as though, you didn't, you know, completed your career as a boxer. Like, do you feel that your experience as a boxer

is more, you know, effective in you helping the kids or is that, you know, all of this shit that you went through as a child? Because you've gained success as a boxer. You made it and you became a champion. So you have the success story. Do you leave with that or do you leave with the, trauma to motivate the kids more? Well, first of all, I didn't finish fighting.

First and four, for them? Yeah, yeah, I'm serious. I'm 51,000 years old, right? But you look at, like, Mike Tyson, he did the fight with Roy Jones a few years ago. You look at a lot of champions, they fight much, you know. First of all, I'm not beat up, you know? I've never been barely beat.

I had really, to be honest with you, out of my 60-something fights, I might have like five, maybe four wars. When you say, Dan, that was a tough fight. I had some wars, you know what? I want to get in the war. I want to get in them next, but keep on. Okay, I had some wars, but I'm fresh, man. I feel good.

I just can't get no fights, man. They're scared. Yeah, they're scared. Yeah, they're scared. What about rampart? It's on, it's on like popcorn. January 27, Hard Rock Casino, yeah. So y'all, January 1?

January 27, I want you there. I want you guys my guest. Y'all need to commentate, for real, for real. I need y'all. Yeah, I'd be live. I mean, yeah. Clear that all, man. In Florida.

In Florida. Yeah. Man, yeah. January 27. Yeah. Say list. I'm gonna tell you right now. Yeah.

It's going down. 100%. Okay, I got a show, but I'm moving it. No. I think I'm moving my shit. Say word. I'm coming. You're gonna commentate?

Let's go, champ. Let's go, champ. You know, Mark Julian, all my investors out there, y'all got to pay this man. Y'all let's go, champ. Now, just like you fly was saying, though, let's get into some of the wars. the war. I want to hear, I want, I want to hear, okay, let's keep the war state because this is good. I want to hear the one where you thought, this motherfucker going to give me the business. Yeah. Spanked him. Versus, I'm going to go ahead and get him to business. Oh, this

motherfucker studied me. One more time, okay. The first motherfucker. Yeah, the first. The first motherfucker who you thought was going to give you the business, but you spanked him. Who was that? Damn. Michael Hospital, Empire State Games. Why? He was touching everything, everything. I mean, everything he hit was sleep. Big white boy, six, five, six, six. Always be the white boy.

Big white boy. Who, hitting hard. Everything he touched. I mean, he was sleeping. You know what I mean? My coach didn't even want me to fight him. Was this head gear or no head gear? He was knocking.

He was knocking out of cold with a head gear. He was a cop, New York City cop. Michael Hospital. I was scared. Damn. Yeah, he was a grown. man I was a kid oh so you was a child finding a grown man yeah but it was to beat him was the next level where you like now you did your thing in New York because he was in New York City

Golden Glove champion you know he was Empire State game champion here I was coming on the scene and I was young flashy I had blonde dreadlocks as you can see they go on right damn your dreadlocks get cut off too I threw some of mine back I thought I was the only one love my dreams. They got us trapped. Yeah. Yeah, I did them dirty. I did them dirty.

Yeah, I did them dirty. But it was good fighting. And then, you know what? I had a few, I had a few, I had some tough ones, man. Some tough ones. Who you thought it was going to be a piece of cake? But nah, you went. I had to go pound for pound, round for round for round.

Frans both. Ooh. Frans both. The South Africa. The South Africa? South Africa. Yes, sir. That name is serious. One day I was in a gym, right?

And I heard Evanda Holyfield talking. He was talking to a reporter. It was like, who hit you the hardest in your life, Evanda? And he said, Francois Botha. And I overheard it. I said, what you say? I said, what you say?

You're right. He said, Francois Both. I said, champ, me too. I said, I swear to God, Chan, I couldn't believe it. I ain't gonna tell ya, I ain't gonna lie. I want the jab. jab and I jab because I was catching him with the jab right I said this jab I'm gonna put some mustard on this I'm gonna break his nose with this one slip girl

you know what I'm saying I'm gonna break his cause you know he be jabbing to keep him at bed I said but this one here I'm gonna step in I'm gonna break his nose and I went to jab him and I don't know how he timed it and moved to the slip it he slipped it but he when he slipped it he did some caveman shit because he don't learn there he did some caveman shit like turning away and broke my ribs oh wow broke i said god damn i knew something was wrong but i'm looking at him the whole time like don't show it you know i'm looking at really i'm like oh but i'm looking at him like i'm looking at him like this but inside i'm like please don't hit me miss like a snake because if i would have

He would have showed him. He would have turned it to a lion. From a kitten to a lion. Right. Because now he'd know, oh, I got him. Yeah, I was sparring Bruce Seldon, former heavyweight champion. Man, he was jabbing me so hard and fast. He was opening his hand like this, and he was...

Pause. What was I mean? That was pause. He was jabbing you so hard and fast. Come on, chap. Come on, chap. Come on, champ. He was jabbing me so hard.

Hey, yo, Camron, you did this. Hey, yo, Cam. Oh, no, kid. Chill, right, Sam, chill. Chill, chill, chill. I'm doing old for that. I think you guys just serve an age. You're out of the game, right?

You know what I'm going to be. Yeah, you know what I did. My bad, my bad. Cameron, my bad. Cameron, John, is your fault. Hey, yo, champ. So he was hoping up. All right, yeah, so I forgot.

The jabby, man, bow. So, um, man. y'all took me away for him no no no no i'm gonna say it was he was spying bruce selden god dang i was bar and sparring bruselden yo bruce lind was opening his hand like this and back handing me with the jab and it was going swap swap swap swap like you know i'm gonna take a towel when you pop it every time it was hitting me wop wop wop i say god i never seen no shit like this right i've never seen I came back to the corner, Teddy out and said, if you're going to fight him,

he's going to turn it to a monster. He's going to turn. He's just what his words was. You're going to let the little kitty cat turn it to a lion if you don't fight back. I was like, he says, no way out of this. You got to fight back. That's the only way he's going to stop. So the second round, I got, I bit down, started going crazy.

We start getting it. We're banging out. He came back to the corner. Because Teddy said, you did good, stay like that. He going to quit. I said, this is Bruce Seldon, man. That's heavyweight champion in the world. You smoking a son?

He said, do that again. I'm telling you, if you don't, he's going to go crazy on you. Went back in there, iron, we bang it out, bong. He said, yo, that's it. He said, that's it. That's what Bruce said. I'm no disrespect. But, you know, he came back.

Oh, he came back. Yeah, but I learned. If you don't, if you let them, if you let, anybody, you feel what I'm saying? Right. You know, see weakness, see you hurt. And I say that to say like when, oh no. Let's go, champ.

Let's go, champ. Let's go, champ. That nigga started getting so real, nigga, the lights cut off. I'm going to lead. This is crazy. That nigga food sales. That name was like, yeah. Let's go, champ.

That's the first time. That's the first thing. That's the guy. God damn. Let's go, champ. Show any sign of weakness. If you show any sign of weakness when a man and you hurt it, he hurt too, he feel the same when you feel.

But if you show it, he's going all of a sudden, he's going to grow. He's going to get stronger. He was dead tired. Right. He's ready to go. He's ready to go. He hit you. He didn't hurt.

He ain't tired no more, right? He gets a boost of energy. So I learned early he was right about that. When you got to keep, you got to push him all the way downhill. Right. Because if motherfuckers start pushing back. back up and he gets you going downhill. No, push them all the way downhill.

So, you know, that was my career, companion out, making, pushing them downhill, doing the best I told. So going back to that corner, now I'm like, oh shit, we get corner stories. Yeah. I want to hear one of the corner stories that it shook you and you had to bounce right.

Like, that corner story stuck with, like it stuck with me. Man, uh, shit, damn, I was fighting. Man, rest in peace, uh, Puerto Rican, brother, man, Santiago. He was from the Bronx, but he was living in Colorado Springs. I was the underdog. I was the underdog to go to the Olympics.

They had kicked me off the USA team. You know, I had lost the year before, but they wasn't feeling me because I had dreds. And they ain't really want me represent America like that in 1992 with dreds, you know what I'm saying? So it was like, yo, if you don't cut your hair, you ain't gonna make the team. And I was like, I ain't cut my hair.

I'm a rebel, I'm a young boy. I'm like, no, I ain't cut in my head, fuck all that. So they was like, all right, cool, we're going to show you. So they was doing everything that, you know, push me, keep me down. And I hustled, kept fighting and kept doing my thing. And I got to the championships. And the brother, Puerto Rican brother named Santiago, man, he believed in me. And I needed that shit because I was out there on the women of prayer.

And he said, he told me, before the fight, he was like, look, because they gave him a team of the people they didn't want to win. So I was on his team. You know what I'm saying? So they was like, yeah, he was like, look, they put you on my team because they don't want you to win. He said, man, I'm from New York,

you're from New York, you go out there, you win this shit. So his hype and what got me, but now we're in the finals. I'm fighting Javier Arvarez. He got full 500 fights, D.C. I'm fighting him for the second time. He getting at me.

We're going at it. I sat back in the corner. He said, yo, I never forget this shit. I'm 51 years old. I was in 1990, 1992. He said, yo, I was like this. I was about to tell him, Stop the fight, I can't breathe.

I'm like, yo, that's it. We in Colorado, you know, they got the altitude. You feel me? That shit got me. I'm like, yo, stop the fight. I can't breathe. Right. He's like, yo, this is the heavyweight division.

You're the man in the heavyweight division. He said, go out there right now and prove to them you the man. And I remember that his words, and he died, rest of peace, I heard about a year or two ago. But I can remember, vaguely enough, him sitting right in front of me in the corner, and him saying, yo, look. you're the man go out there and show these you the man and I went out there and I won that shit and it touched me because it it was the first time major championship somebody believed in me pushed me through that shit you know what I mean that's true that go

crazy speaking of what you just spoke about being in the corner like oh okay like what would you say is your most intense training what fight did you have to train the hardest for because you know the training is really what makes the fighter to me like that's the part that most people can't dedicate themselves to yeah It's that training, nigga. You can't fuck, you can't eat the skin off chicken. Like, it's a, it's a, you know what I mean. You don't talk about making weight.

You make weight and then you can gain this split-week. I wouldn't have to wait. But not me, I'm gonna have you weight, so I didn't wait, whatever. Right. But, you know, what would you say was your most intense training session for a fight that you had? George Foreman. George Foreman. Big is back.

We need to know. John Forman, Joe. You said that dude, he's hard as fuck with. What about them George Foreman punch? Shit, you know, shit, so it's about nightmares. I couldn't sleep for two weeks after the former fight. Two weeks, I was fucked up, y'all. Excuse my language.

I was messed up for two weeks after that fight. That way hard. That man, hard, excuse me. I'm still scared. I'm mad hard. I mean, hard, y'all. I ain't gonna lie to y'all, y'all, you know, like, again, you know, like, again, your pain in your life is what really going.

When you're in a moment where you hurting physically, You can numb yourself if you got a bigger hurt in your life. I had always had hurt in my life. My mom's was on crack, heroin, my pops was in jail. I'm in the streets. I always had hurt. So my hurt was my fuel. You know what I'm saying?

When I fought for me, my mom's died. I'm 25 years old. My mom died on my birthday. You know what I'm saying? December 4th, I wake up. I call, you know, my mom's day. So those pains have always been my drive. You know, it's like, you know,

I was fighting for him in first round. They'll ring, right? I'm hitting it with a jab. Bam, bam, bam, bam. I said, damn, I got my word for that fight. So I had a thing about I would hook off the jab, one, three. And I did it perfect, y'all. I jabbed that, I said, gonna catch his ass.

A corner, bha, with a hook. My hardest hook I ever do. My knuckle, look at a knuckle. I knew it, I seen it. It went right in his eye, the knuckle, everything. Bha! I said, I got his ass. He can't even blink.

Ooh. He was just looking at me. He ain't even blink. My hardest punch I ever threw here to rain the eyes. Got you. Bop! He said. Ooh.

That will fucking nigga up. That will fuck me up. Well, what the fuck we gonna do now? Yeah. Blink. He just looking at me like this. And at that moment, you knew he took all your confidence. He said.

He came back to the corner. I was sure. I was looking at you. I was looking at you. I was saying, damn. I should try your video game. I was shook. I came back in the corner.

Because I knew that it was a perfect punch. I knew. I felt my knuckle going in his eyeball. I got him. He didn't blink. It wasn't nothing to me. I'm going to kill you. And he, you know what, I don't know why.

But some fighters do that, you know, before fights, they don't shower, like for days. Right. Yeah, that's an old. trick, you know what I'm saying? He didn't do that trick. Because we got in the clinch, y'all, I swear to God, we got in the clinch. Oh, my God. He was so big, he was so young.

He was, so young. Paul's all like, whatever. I'm 50 years old, y'all, man. Chill out, y'all. Man, it's story good. Fuck that shit. You know, you know, I grabbed him in the clinch, and he smelled like a bear. You smoked a bear before? No, yeah, you go to the zoo? You know how the bear smell of animals?

Where? I was like, oh, shit. But I was a bear musty? He just, like a, he'd been training. That niggas smell like animal. You don't get it? You ain't fit it, babe. You go fight, don't kill him. Yo.

You stank. I was like, damn, but I didn't know what it was, so I came back to the corner first round. That changes everything. Yeah, it does, man. So what happened when you go into the corner? You grab a nigga, he smelled like garbage. Then he wet.

Yeah. That shit on your face. Yo. You can't think about that shit right now. Everything's staked. No. You didn't hit the nigg. Then he hit the shit.

And then he didn't blink. And he ain't faced by your hardest box. So what happened when you went to the corner? I was sat down. I was like, I'm fucked. I was that what I'm to do now. So this is the first round. First round, champ.

I was sitting there like, damn. And my coach, you know, he ain't speak that much English. Carlos Lennie, that's my glove. That's my heart right there. My boy, he's my coach. He was like, boxing, boxing, box. He didn't speak that much English at the time. I was like, box.

This is my motherfucker. He ain't keep on stop coming. But I went out there first round. But I said that to say this. My mom just died. So that numb you with shit, you know, you might think for a second damn, you know, this motherfucker's strong, well, he keep coming, but fuck that, your mom or dad, nigga. Get out there and go to work, you know what I mean, make it happen. So that's how I be, you know what I mean?

That damn. So you talked about the hardest punch he hit you with, when did the boy you hit him with? What was the one where you realized, nigga, I'm fighting Joe, oven and the smell. But when did you realize, oh shit? I'm fighting George Foreman because he hit you with one of them George Foreman punches. What round was? You remember? He was hitting hard, champ.

I ain't going to front. He was hitting hard. You had to fight. He cracked me in the, like, seventh round. He literally knocked me out. I had to tell you the truth. He hit me with the right hand bomb. And I was on my way out.

And he hit me with a left upper cut and woke me up. Woke me up. That's my word. I ain't going to front. I tell that story. It's true, though. I was out. I was gone.

And he hit me and woke me up. But again, mom, mama dad. So you got to have no pain. Right. No pain. All. I'm gonna get it, I'm gonna get mine's back. Right.

That's all I'm thinking, I'm gonna get mine's back. You know what I mean? So it was a tough fight, but, you know, I had some tough fights, man. You know, I had some wars. I had a few. I fought Klitsko. I fought him with one arm. I always make that clear.

I fought Vitaliklitzko for 12 rounds with one arm. Why did you? My shit broke in the first round. Look at that. Oh, shit. You didn't have surgery. Yeah, that was right after the fight. They had to go through this side, come through this side.

I fought on 12 round. Stood in the pain, trying to get it, you know what I mean? That's a gangster shit. One arm, chap, yeah. You never throw it on a white town. I don't believe in that shit. Nah, shit, nah. It ain't, you know.

Don't throw it in. Let me fight you. Yeah, Rampage, you're going down fast and hard. January 27th. You see you up over here laughing and playing. But watch when the bell rate. I'm going to beat the shit out you. I'm going to beat the shit out you.

That's my word. You're going to see. I'm going to see. I'm going to see. I'm going to beat the shit out of you. So how do you feel about, like, MMA fighters and I'm coming over to Fox? You believe you're talking about it.

There's going to be like. There's NBA boxing. And then there's real boxing. I'm going to teach him a lesson. Now, let me explain something to you. He wanted to fight me. You know what I'm saying? He wanted to fight me.

He wanted to, you know, do a pro fight. So I was like, yo, I can help you get ready and train. He was like, train me. I'll beat you. I was like, what? I was like, nah, champ, chill. You know, so. I was like, you think so?

He was like, yeah, if I beat you, it'd be a good look for me because you got a good name. Then you'd slap him? Nah, nah, that's somebody else. But, so I was like, why? Who he slept? I forgot somebody. You just got so many niggas you forgot. Who you slapped?

Jill, Champ, chill. There's lawsuits on. They're waiting for me. Oh, not chill, chill, chill, that. But our bandage is only like popcorn, July 27, man. He's on. Back down from Method. I'm trying to train.

July 27. January, January, 27. January 27. You said, July 27. I apologize. You're going to fight another nigga already in your mind. Like, July 27. Already ready.

I'm already. You say, you are, how are you 50? A 51,000. 51,000? Yes. And you say you want to have. How many more fights? You know what, champ, I mean, I'm gonna keep it real.

I'm just starting to get back in shape. You know, I just lost like 13 pounds. Right. You know, I just feel like you didn't, I could do it, man. I really feel like I could do it, why not? I'm not gonna jump out there and do nothing crazy at first. I'm gonna fight myself back in the shape. Right.

I call it the pot tour. You ain't scared, but you ain't stupid. Yeah, exactly. What's your profession? You're always a professional. So how is it, like you say, going by getting fights? Knowing that I still can fight. I can bring out a crown, I can sell ticket.

Do somebody have to agree to be like, I'll fight or you just won't be able to fight? No, I'm basically taking my show in a row, you know what I'm saying, and just build up, you know, build, back up, fight, and stand busy. And then when I'm ready for a major step up, I'm just walking somewhere and flip the table over

on somebody press conference and be like what? Right. And then they're gonna be like, yo, he's back, he back. He's back. You know what I'm saying? He's back with that shit again, here you go. But I like, when you have five, And then when the entourage try to jump in, you'd be like, go, champ.

This ain't the one you want. You better get them. They're like, yo, Chad. All right, we'll get them. I'm like, don't touch me, champ. Don't touch me, champ. Let's go, champ. Let's go, champ.

Let's go, champ. He's go, champ. I'm like, man, man. Oh, man, y'all the best. Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebeney, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm Ebeney, and every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. On Pretty Private, we'll explore the untold experiences of women of color who faced it all, childhood trauma, addiction, abuse, incarceration, grief, mental health struggles, and more, and found the shrimp to make it to the other side. My dad was shot and killed in his house.

Yes, he was a drug dealer. Yes, he was a confidential informant, but he wasn't shot on a street corner. He wasn't shot in the middle of a drug deal. He was shot in his house, unarmed. Pretty Private isn't just a podcast. It's your personal guide for turning storylines into lifelines. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect Podcast Network. Tune in on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness, the way it has echoed and reverberated throughout your life, impacting your very legacy. Hi, I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the profound and powerful stories I'll be mining on our 12th season of Family Secrets.

With over 37 million downloads, we continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. I can't wait to share 10 powerful new episodes with you, stories of tangled up identities, concealed truths, and the way in which family secrets almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests for this new season of Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The OGs of Uncensored Motherhood are back and badder than ever.

I'm Erica. And I'm Mila. And we're the host of the Good Mom's Bad Choices podcast, brought to you by the Black Effect Podcast Network every Wednesday. Historically, men talk too much. And women have quietly listened. And all that stops here. If you like witty women, then this is your tribes.

With guests like Corinne Steffens. I've never seen so many women protect predatory men. And then me too happened. And then everybody else want to get pissed off because the white said it was okay. Problem. My oldest daughter, her first day in ninth grade, and I called to ask how I was going. She was like, oh, dad, all they were doing was talking about your thing in class.

I ruined my baby's first day of high school. And slumflower. What turns me on is when a man sends me money. Like, I feel the moisture between my legs when a man sends me money. I'm like, oh, my God, it's go time. You actually sent it? Listen to the Good Mom's Bad Choices podcast every Wednesday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. The IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you go to find your podcast.

Adventure should never come with a pause button. Remember the Movie Pass era? Where you could watch all the movies you wanted for just $9? It made zero cents, and I could not stop thinking about it. I'm Bridget Todd, host of the tech podcast, there are no girls on the internet. On this new season, I'm talking to the innovators who are left out of the tech headlines. Like the visionary behind a movie pass, Black founder Stacey Spikes, who was pushed out of movie pass the company that he founded.

His story is wild that it's currently the subject of a juicy new HBO documentary. We dive into how culture connects us. When you go to France, or you go to England, or you go to Hong Kong, those kids are wearing Jordans,

they're wearing Kobe's shirt, they're watching Black Panther. And the challenges of being a Black founder. Close your eyes and tell me what a tech founder looks like. They're not going to describe someone who looks like me and they're not going to describe

someone who looks like. looks like you. I created There Are No Girls on the Internet because the future belongs to all of us. So listen to There Are No Girls on the Internet on the IHurt Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Don't let biased algorithms or degree screens or exclusive professional networks or stereotypes. Don't let anything keep you from discovering the half of the workforce who are stars. Workers skilled through alternative routes rather than a bachelor's degree.

It's time to tear the paper ceiling and see the stars beyond it. Find out how you can make stars part of your talent strategy at tear the paperceiling.org brought to you by opportunity at work in the ad council. What was your first time showing up and doing that in your career? Showing up to a press conference or somebody doing like a event or way in and you showed up the way in and you showed up the way you are known to show up now. What was the first time? He made in a breath interest. I had bloomed up and weighed up in way up.

I had got up to like, I was 403 pounds. I was, I was depressed. I was suffering from major depression. They prescribed me deprecow. They said, you bipolar. I was just stressed out, you know what I made from life. And I got fat. And then a friend of mine was, you know, laughing at me one day,

talking about how fat I was, different people. I was like, you know what, I'm going to get my shit together. So I went on the journey, man. I actually started, I was, I wasn't a cannabis smoker. You know, I grew up with asthma. I unfortunately started drinking since I was like 13, 14, 18 years old. And then when I was 40, 39, 40, pardon me 38, a friend of mine was like, yo, you should try this instead of prescription drugs. And I tried cannabis and changed me, man.

I mean, the first time I literally took the pills, poured them in the toilet, and started training that hadn't been training in years, started getting in shape. And I started saying, let's go champ as self-motivation, you know I mean? I lost 167 pounds, came back to Bach and Texas. That's amazing. That's fucking amazing. I lost 100. 37 pounds pulling me and came back to boxing and uh I had about four or five fights and I was telling people yo put me in the newspaper let them know I'm fighting and it was like you ain't you too old but I was 40 right I was like well I was like 30 now four I'm like you on back and uh I see it wasn't getting me nowhere so I was like you know what I got to get disrespectful

that's on the way you know what I'm saying like sometimes some people only respect violence you know I mean unfortunately you know what I'm saying and the people love violence you know I mean, unfortunately. You know, we're humans. So, uh, and I was pissed off, to be honest with you chance. It's great market. It wasn't even the market. I'm gonna keep it real.

It was just, I was mad because I was like, yo, I'm doing my thing. And let me live, let me eat, let me show me, let me pop my shit off. And it was like, nah, you know, it wasn't. But I've been blackballed in the game three terms already. And I call it errors, like the HBO era. I was blackballed. I was blacked. I've been blackballed quite a few times, you know what I'm saying?

Where it was like, you're never going to get a fight on that on TV games. on TV again. Wow. Yeah, yeah, huh? Because I'd be talking my shit and also, too, you know, I never really, you know, like I told you earlier,

I've been working selves eight years old. Right. You know what I mean? And I always had a boss, you know what I mean, that paid me on Fridays or whatever. And he'd try to jerk me too, you know what I mean?

So when I got into the boxing game, you know what I'm saying? It was even worse than that. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I literally, millions of dollars that I've been stolen from me, millions and millions and millions of dollars.

I can't even go into a box. But I could go into it, but y'all be sitting here listening all day. Shit, we've done it. We love this shit. Like, we be like, but this box and shit crazy. So, you know, on the business-wise, you know, I've always been hustling, putting plays together. And I always had to, you know, be on top of my game. So doing that, they ain't like that.

The establishment ain't like me, you know, talking back or basically saying like, oh, that ain't learned. Yeah, well, you know, the paperwork ain't right. Champ, oh, why am I doing this? why this and you know I'm talking back well I'm you know what I'm saying I'm asking the questions that should be asked I'm asking questions that should be asked as as a person that's going in there doing it and a lot of times people say you'll take this fight and I'd be like no I ain't taking that fight that ain't the right fight for me and um you know it was all right cool watch this and they make that call and try to blackboard me but the good

dude the good the good news was the internet came out so when the internet came out I was able to move without them now people the fans is my people you know You know what I'm saying? That's why I call the Let's Go Champ Army, because they give me the ability to still be seeing and the promoters is watching that. You know, the networks is watching. And now we don't have to depend on the network

so much, you know, because of streaming platform. Look at y'all, man, come on. Y'all. Shout out to y'all. Come on, y'all. Let's go, champ, you know what I mean? Studio, beautiful, big, crazy studio. You know what I'm saying?

Different rooms, y'all, y'all, you're inspiring me and showing me as an older brother, look at my young black brothers, man, what y'all doing? This is Live at 5. Man. I didn't get your gym. I want to sponsor some equipment. Oh, word.

That's crazy, man. For real, for real, yeah. We're doing a movie, man. Shout out to Michael Rappaport, to A-Real Playhouse production. And shout out to Amazon. We just picked up a deal. We're doing an A-series show. It's hard.

And called Brownsville on Amazon. Oh, that's dope. Yeah, A series. Yeah, right. That's what's it. Well, see, since you're dropping the promo, what's about the book? You dropped the day?

Let's go, chat. The book dropped today. You know what I'm saying? I just got the book. before I got on the plane today and I'm fortunate I was here with you brothers in a long time coming I'm here with y'all and I dropped my book today just got it today and it's the stories man growing up you know I mean since I was a kid like I said hustling working jobs all my life and they're getting in a box and which is which is which is a business as well so always been

in a in a business of making money I've always been in a business of surviving finding a way you know what I'm saying and and literally making it a point not to go to jail You know what I mean? Because I used to go visit my pops in jail a lot. You know, all upstate New York, every prison, Rikis, every state I'd been there, Clinton, sing, sing all that. So growing up as a kid, going on those buses and all that. I said, this is something that I want to stop, you know what I mean? So I think in building this Brownsville Boxing Academy

will have an opportunity to save lives, man. Because think about this, you got three heavy-way champions from Brownsville, Brooklyn. Brownsville, Brooklyn is not two miles in size. It's under two miles. 1.8 mile with 200,000 people living at 1.8 miles. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 200,000 people in how many miles?

1.8 miles. Damn. Yeah, 200,000 people. Oh, dang. You've been, you've had a long career. Who are some of the boxes that you consider your friends that you fought? That I fought? Yeah.

Lennox Lewis is cool. Yeah, Lennox is a cool brother. Real talk, he's a good brother. Mike, I never fought. Mike is the best. He's the best. It's the best. He's the best.

He's the best ever. Funniest shit. We laugh. We laugh. We laugh. I'm cool with everybody, champ. It's said Rampage. Nah, I'm going to knock you out, but not.

Rampage, he's cool, but I'm going to knock you out. But I'm cool with everybody. I'm trying to think. Who did I fight that I'm cool with? I'm for Ray Mercer, man. I love Ray Mercer, man. Ray Mercer is a G. He's one of the, I think, one of the toughest men in the planet to ever live.

You know, in real talk. He's a soldier. Shout out to Ray Mercer. That's a tough fight. He had a tough fight. hell of a jab, man. I couldn't stop it. No matter what I did, I would look at it.

I said, you ain't going to hit me with this one. There ain't no way. I'm looking at his fist. There's no way this one going to hit me. I'm like, God. It's just the timing was crazy. You know what I mean? It was crazy. So, Ray Mercer was one of the great fighters in history, and I can say, I'm happy

to say I fought him. Who's some of your young guy, my man, some of your young fighters that you like watching or you enjoy seeing them come up today. man they all get busy all of them secure uh terence crawford uh all of them getting busy boy they think it's it's it's a good time to be alive to see the young boys getting busy they don't fight enough for me but you got deva hayney you know i'm saying loam and jaco you know you got you got that young boy anderson coming out shout out to big baby miller you got it like big

baby anderson you got uh man you got a lot of fighters man they're coming up man well you know my my next i think my next, besides, you know, a couple more fights just for fun, to be honest with you, like, I'm doing this exhibition with Rampage. I'm going to have a few fights just for fun. Shout out to Roy Joel's and Antonio Tarba. I just spoke to them yesterday. Let's go, champ. You know, I'm just doing it for fun, but the next

stage of my life is to be like Don King. You know, his hair grew up, minds grow down like this, so I'm going to try to do some promotion, you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. You know, do some promoting fighters and shit like that. Although, I had a question for you. Sure. What's the

Best fight you've ever seen that you weren't in. I went to see, I went to see closed circuit, sugar A. Lidna, Marva Hagler. That shit was cold. The shit was cold. That shit was cold. Closed circuit. I was a kid. I went to see that shit.

That shit was electrifying, man. To see Ray come back after, you know, gets the Hagler, you know, one of the marvelous ones. right that shit was right that was a mean strategy they used 10 seconds yeah see that's how he was the fight that that's one of the best strategies in boxing history right the cold fight right there now i my personal favorite fight that i ever seen was uh aturo godi and a mickey war the first one yeah the first mickey the first war gottie like that was that i remember watching it on the HBO i think it came on the the friday night fights if i'm not mistaken and them niggas they fought from round 1 to 12 and beat the dog shit out

each other rest of peace of tour oh shout out to my boy mickey that's my boy mick man that's that's my brother i love mckey that's my brother i love mickey war that's what's up real brother real good guy so who just like skin you got you got i got to ask like i know this is like one of them cliche questions but i got to know like who your top five fighters of all time that's what first and foremost jack johnson the greatest the greatest i mean the greatest Niggas don't know about that boy Jack Johnson. He had the hardest path. The hardest path.

That's exactly what I was going to say because of his path, let alone. There was other black fighters better than him at the time from what they say. Really? Yeah, a lot. That's a lot. Quite a few. But I don't think they ain't have what he had. No, he had losses.

He had losses. He had fought quite a few brothers that had, you know, gave it to him. But he came back and beat him. He wasn't undefeated and I'm like that. But it wasn't a big thing got to be undefeated back there. he um he he he he he he was walking the walk in front of them boys like this is a what like you know I mean they he had them shook daddy they was like he had that pistol he was gold teeth he was a gangster what women three three of them three yeah he was he was gangster so you know but you know

he was a different type of you know brother then you could talk about uh you know not talk about not people don't talk about him enough but uh Henry Armstrong and I and I say him you Yeah, Hurricane Hanks. See, that's the problem that if there was ever a movie that should be made about a fighter, it should be about Harry Armstrong. Yeah, please do look him up, everybody, because he was the greatest fighter of all times. Better than Jack, Jack just carried a, he carried us on his bad,

because every time Jack Johnson fought, they were going killing sprees and Lynch. Hundreds of blacks. They would say one or two, but hundreds of blacks, would be lynx so you knew when jack johnson fought black people was going to die it was going to be some kill that's a big day no but think about this and i said that too right but think of how many people was happy that they couldn't believe that was a black heavyweight champion they never had nothing to look at it they never had no baseball players to look at they had no president they had no people in government but they had something and that's what black people all around the world he

to understand boxing, the sport of boxing, one man changed the earth. Jack Johnson, black people was killed when he fought, but think how many was smiling, because he was beating him. And they couldn't imagine in a million years, a billion years that a black man could be Henry champion.

So, so crazy that for 40 years after him, they would not let a black man fight for the title. What? For 40 years, until Joe Lewis came around, until they let Joe Lewis fight for the title. the title. So that's how powerful of a man that Jack Johnson was, that he was such a figure. Yeah, I don't know. I said the same thing. Damn, people die. It's a bad day. But then I still scratching my head and said, damn, but think how many people was in power saying, yo, we could be

something one day. Just like when I was saying Mike Tyson was in the 80s, everybody wanted to be a boxer. That's why you see the 90s. Now, this is deep. The 90s is really the golden era of boxing in the history of boxing, the 1990s. You had more men and young men around the world who wanted to be boxers coming out of the 80s because of Mike Tyson. So you had so many names, I can't begin the name. Chris Byrd, Haseen Rockman,

John Ruiz, David Toore, Riddick Bow. Riddick Bow. I read the Holyfield, but he was from the 80s. But you just had so many people that wanted to be boxers because of Mike. And then Holyfield, And that money was in boxing, boy, $20 million fights.

You could be a bum, get a Mike Tyson fight, and get knocked out and get $10 million. People was jumping in there. I'm next. I'm next, you know what I'm saying? They were trying to jump in there. You don't think Floyd, Mayweather was like that, did it like that? In regards to what?

Meaning, like, he could fight bugs. Shout to money, Mary, we spoke the other day on the phone. Yeah, he fought some bums, and they was getting the biggest paychecks of their lives. Yeah. Well, I don't know who he fought. But he had some tough fights. He fought everybody.

He put in front of him before Arturo Gotti, who you see me. He beat the dog shit out of Trinjordi. Everybody he put in front of him, the champ did him dirty. Oh, he beat the shit out of Turo Gotti. My uncle told me some cold shit. He was like, it's two things you never do. You never spit in the wind because that shit gonna blow right back in your face and you never bet against Floyd Maywell.

Yeah, yeah. Champ get busy. Oh yeah, all the way. Shout out to the champ. But the thing is, like, it's, what was the most? I gotta, I tell you mine first so you get the reverts of the question. You know what I mean? As a boxing fan, that's my favorite sport.

I love boxing, but... Ain't no more water. When... Like, watching as a fan, to me, when Roy lost, when I was a young nigga, that shit shocked me. Yeah. It shocked me. I remember watching that shit in there, like, this ain't even real. I couldn't believe it was real.

You were second, you was there? I was there. Man, that shit, I remember sitting like, what the fuck? Roy lost. Because there was some shit we never seen before. We never seen before. We never even seen them get... I remember when he got that disqualification.

and came back and knocked the nigga out in the first round. But was there anybody that, you know, that you were a fan of throughout the time that you, you know, that took a loss that you didn't think was capable of losing that shocked you? Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson, man.

When Mike lost the Buster Douglas, bro, we was in, like, shock. Who would I ever thought? You know what I mean? That's just shocking the world. Shocked the world. Mike Tyson, bro. I was like, hey, yeah, I was like, man.

Y'all, nick. Fripping, man. You know, what are you going to do? when he get up. Sheesh. You wasn't born yet. Nigger, I see it. Yeah.

That's a bad man. That was a bad man. Yeah, because nobody ever thought he was going to lose. I think he really won that fight. If you really go back and watch it, he really dropped it. That first knockdown, that first knockdown, that first knockdown, he was down like 12 seconds. Something like 17 seconds.

talking about this because they didn't count and then like and when you watch the replay you see them at the at the way and count one two and they got like 19 so it was a long count but you know that's how boxing is man you know that's how it is champ you know I mean that's how it is yeah I've been robbed I've been robbed before yeah not robbed like in Brownsville type of I'm talking about Rob and the what Jason said in the ring I've been robbed by managers and promoters worse yeah I know but we don't We didn't get into that. Okay, okay.

But I'm talking about in the ring. I thought I got robbed in the fight. Yeah, I thought I know. I felt I got robbed. Yeah, I won the fight, but the system was against me at the time, you know, the administration at the time that was on the helm, they was against me. And they took a fight from me that I thought it could have been a drawer, you know what I mean? But I just jumped out the bed, took the fight.

I'm going to knock him out and do, you know, he had been a training kid with Clisco. So he was used to getting punched, you know, beat up. So first round, I came up, I cracked him on. He out of here. I got to ask you about, he stood up. Got to ask you about, you know, the biggest scandal in recent years with the Cotto fight. With the glove, with the gloves. What was your take from that?

You remember the first fight, that shit was underbrook. But the redemption fight is one of my top five fights all the time. That was great. Shout out to Miguel Cotto, good brother. Miguel Cotto. Manwell Marquez. Yeah. What happened?

Oh, he put the plastic in. They put the... Margarito, that's it. Yeah, that's what it was. With plaster or they put it to them? No, it was the member. He wrapped his hands with the plaster, and then he had that little...

That little glass of metal plate inside the hand wrap. Man, fucked him up, man. Fucked him up, man. When you see Miguel Cotto that first fight, where it looked like somebody was hitting him with a bat. Yeah. It was crazy. And then he ended up fighting.

They ended up finding out about it and caught it. before he fought Shane Mosley. They caught it right before he fought Shane Mosley and they didn't call the fight off. No, he was great, do that shit to Shane Mosley. And they caught him. The same dude.

And then Shane Mosley came out and beat the dog shit out. That's his trainer caught it. Yeah, his trainer caught it right before the fight. And they made him change your glove. Yeah, yeah, they made him unwrapped his hands and the shit, yeah. It's not gauze, man, that shit is hard. You feel these shit.

They had supplies to some shit I heard. Yeah, that's great. Does that happen more often than in boxing that you don't hear about. I felt like it happened to me in a fight with somebody. I was like, ain't no way in the world that that's his fist, you know. And they was kind of known for that.

But I knew because he was, every punch he hit me with, I was like, God, how could that be? You know what I mean? But I was sparring this African dude one time and he was hitting me so hard, bro. I swear to God, I was like, yo, it's something in his gloves. I came back to my corner.

I said, yo, it's son in his gloves. My trainer was like, nah, just go out there. I went back out of that he hit me again. He was dumbed. He was, man, I had knots. I came to the gromper. That's something in his gloves, man. He went and took off the man's gloves.

He ain't had nothing in there, man. That man was hitting hard. Yeah. And then, and then, you can't. I have with you one with zebra! He just had generous fish. I see. Haira.

I was sitting by two hyenas. One haira. Yo, I couldn't believe it, yo. And then we after we sport, he went out. and start hitting the bag and he knocked the bag down. Damn, that's my word. He knocked the bag that I never forget. Because I was still in the ring,

thinking about that ass whoopin he just gave me, and I was like, damn, I was young, I was 21 years old. So think about it when shit like that, like if the world could have got to see him, who is, who is, so to sparring be some of the greatest fights versus the war that people see.

Brosky. What if somebody would have seen this motherfucker? Broski, I'm telling you. I had some dudes that I've been in the ring with that I say was cold that at, And definitely the cold of the champions. Man, I spot some dudes that was hell of a, hell of a dudes, man. Maurice Harris, everybody knows Maurice Harris.

Most people in boxing, one of the best sparring I ever had. I ain't hit him yet. That was 19. I hit him yet. He was cold spars. Some dudes could fight in that gym. Some dudes are gym fighters, you know what I'm saying? But then sometimes he put him in front of the lights come on, bro.

They say, man, I can't do it, man. I've seen dudes leave from the dressing room. They say what happened? He said he couldn't do it. The nerd. So what's the difference between gym fighters and the light fighter? So I don't know, man. I knew a dude, bro.

That's my word. He was so cold. I don't want to blow his name, my boy. Yo, he was so nice. In the gym, nobody could see him. I'm talking about he from heavy, he was a middleweight, but the heavy weights was like, nah, now, no, please. Nah.

He would coach him make us go in there with him. He was nasty. But when it was fight time and the bell ring, his legs wouldn't work. and work. He just would crumble and jump on the ground. We couldn't believe it because he was the, he was a fly dude. He was, you know what I'm saying? He had everything in the making to be a world champion. And he just could not get in front of those lights, man. Some people wouldn't got it, you know what I mean?

Yeah. It's like that in comedy. Yeah, yeah, I heard that. I heard, I heard. Too giving tape. We ain't getting hit by no Africans. That ain't like that in comedy. I got to beat me by two hyena. Yeah, man. For sure, man. No, we appreciate your, OG.

You know what the time it is. Thank you, man. Where's the book available? Oh, man, the book is available at champ. That's it. champ. Business. No.com, none of that.

Champ. Learn how the champ made it, man. All the secrets to, you know, success in my life and not, and overcoming and doing the best I can to be the best I can, man. Champ. If you go to the website right now, you can download it for free. And if you win, if I mail it to you, I'm putting a $1,000 in five books.

I'm going to send them to you. Whoever get the $1,000, you get the priceless information, and you get $1,000. Five books with $1,000 in it. Let's go, Chinn. Let's go, Chin. Let's go, Chin. Let's go, John.

Let's go, John. Hollywood, Casino, Florida. Let's go, Chan. Let's go, Jim. I'm in there. I swear to God, I mean, I got you. I got you a lot. I'm going to show you.

I got you. What's your first? You won all five books. Oh, nah. That African is going to win all five bucks. He didn't save this. He made my money. How do you want to be Shannon?

It's your first time coming to the 8th Pound South show. Yes. But if you ever want to stop the hip and tell us a thousand boxing stories. Oh, man. I want you guys' sports show, man. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I got to do that.

I got to do that show, man. I can't wait. Most definitely. We're not ending this show. this show until you throw me the sharpie we got all the legends who stop through here they sign the table oh word and until we get our sign pair of glove for the studio we're gonna just well accept it on the table look at them y'all 85 south show shannon we're out of here let's go chab let's go chapp let's go chapp let's go chapp let's go chapp let's go chapp let's go chapp let's go chab let's get a fool let's get a picture let's do it let's move don't know huh come on man let's Oh, man, I love you, boy.

Thank you, John. Okay, what's this? You're all right on leave. Yeah? Yes, sir. You're going like popcorn. Come on me. My book, son.

With them camera. Let me get a camera to leave. What are you on here? I'm going to take them. You're going to get that mind, huh? Yeah. Join IHeart Radio and Sarah Spain in celebrating the one-year anniversary of I-Hart Women's Sports. With powerful interviews and insider analysis, our shows have connected fans.

with the heart of women's sports. In just one year, the network has launched 15 shows and built a community united by passion. Podcasts that amplify the voices of women in sports. Thank you for supporting IHeart Women's Sports and our founding sponsors, Elf Beauty, Capital One, and Novartis.

Just open the free IHeart app and search IHeard Women's Sports to listen now. I knew I wanted to obey and submit, but I didn't fully grasp for the rest of my life what that meant for my heart. Podcasts in Rococo Punch, this is the Turning, River Road. In the woods of Minnesota, a cult leader married himself to 10 girls and forced them into a secret life of abuse. But in 2014, the youngest escaped.

Listen to the Turning River Road on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If a baby is giggling in the back seat, they're probably happy. If a baby is crying in the back seat, they're probably hungry. But if a baby is sleeping in the back seat, they're probably hungry. But if a baby is sleeping in the backseat, they're probably hungry. back seat. Will you remember they're even there? When you're distracted, stressed, or not usually the one who drives them, the chances of forgetting them in the back seat are much higher. It can happen to anyone. Parked cars get hot fast and can be deadly. So get in the habit of checking the back seat when you leave. A message from NHTSA and the ad council. Welcome to Pretty Private

with Ebeney, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm Ebeney. In every Tuesday, I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect Podcast Network. Tune in on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness. I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the powerful stories I'll be mining on our upcoming 12th season of Family Secrets. We continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories.

Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.