The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - The Big Gipp Episode | Ep. 97

Episode Date: September 15, 2017

THE BIG GIPP EPISODE If you want to know the history of the Atlanta music scene - like TLC, Curtis Mayfield, Tupac, OutKast and the The entire Dungeon Family - listen to Big Gipp because he was right in the middle of it. Karlous Miller and Ronnie Jordan catch up with ATL legend and member of Goodie Mob and The Dungeon Family to hear his personal story in music. GOODIE MOB'S SOUL FOOD: http://amzn.to/2wwdZly GOODIE MOB'S STILL STANDING: http://amzn.to/2fq2Som GOODIE MOB'S WORLD PARTY http://amzn.to/2fqAqTw GOODIE MOB'S ONE MONKEY DON'T STOP NO SHOW: http://amzn.to/2xq8okP DUNGEON FAMILY'S - EVEN IN DARKNESS: http://amzn.to/2jw3mxE From high school, Gipp knew future stars like Chile of TLC and chronicles how the city's music influence grew from a small bass scene to a national and international force. With the help of producers and executives like LA Reid, Pebbles, Kawan Prather, Jermaine Dupri and more...the city grew to became a hit machine. Gipp also gets personal and recounts meeting the fellow members of Goodie Mob - Cee-Lo, Kujo Goodie, and T-Mo - and tells how the group evolved over time. Gipp explains the story behind the "One Monkey Don't Stop No Show" album - the reason behind it's name and why it did not feature Cee-Lo. Tupac Shakur also was on the Atlanta music scene in the 90's and Gipp recounts his experiences with Pac. From the night he was arrested for shooting at two Atlanta police officers, to being in the studio with Lisa Lopez when Pac previewed " Hit Em Up" and finally that memorable night at The Source Awards, Gipp breaks it down. ▶ Subscribe AND SHARE our videos!!! - https://bitly.com/85tube ▶INTAGRAM! - https://www.instagram.com/85southshow/ ▶ TWITTER - https://twitter.com/85SouthShow ▶FACEBOOK - https://www.facebook.com/85southshow/ FOLLOW THE CREW KARLOUS MILLER - @karlousm DCYOUNGFLY - @dcyoungfly CLAYTON ENGLISH - @claytonenglish JOE T. NEWMAN - http://www.ayoungplayer.com CHAD OUBRE - https://www.instagram.com/chadoubre/ LANCE CRAYTON - https://www.instagram.com/cat_queso/ J.O.N - https://www.instagram.com/heeeyj_o_n/ CRIAG GRAVES - https://www.instagram.com/craigshoots23/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I mean, you can't graduate without this. This curriculum, you know, it's not up to us. This podcast is for niggas who know how to pay attention. It's not for them pill pop. Quit touching shit. Quit touching shit I was like fuck that like I start going to the got them

thrift stores like we on the road I go to the thrift stores and I'm gonna look at this shit and I'm just like man I'm gonna start making my shit so I start when I start coming back to Atlanta I started going to the fabric store up there on Chesa Bridge and I just start walking around looking at fabrics and shit like man shit I want them fur kind of plans and see how I try my shit out

I go put on fur pants and go up the Magic City, niggas, stand up in the got-th-than-goon band that bitch. Like, nigga, what to say something? L.A. was like, okay, we're going to sign Alcass. Now, for us, we were like, shit, that's us, too. Like, fuck that shit. Like, so we do see it. And we're like, fuck it.

We're going with it. It was like, shit. MTV banned us. You know what I mean? When we first came out, we got to love, we didn't ever play y'all. That's why Harvard caught. As soon as we got banned, MTV called, Harvard calls us and said, We want y'all to come speak at Harvard

because we want to know why MTV bands y'all and cause y'all racists. Like, this shit we got down gangsters because a nigga running around with finger waving, they have, man, the sleaky nigga with the niggled ass on, cut with their slit at the bottom. But, hey, the alligator belt, man, where they got down a silk shirt,

that was the nigger than brows. Because that nigga, he pulled up in the BMW with the BBS line. At this time, that's when got damn Whitney and motherfucking vibe he moved to Atlanta. Hey, man, this shit is amazing. Boy, this is like behind the music. Yeah, blunt.

Yeah. We put a record out. We go damn there platinum the first two months. Then we get a call, and LaFace ain't there no more. Man, do you know what kind of mind frame, what they did to people? I ain't really never tried to change for the industry. Don't. Because I ain't, I made it without, I made it when it wasn't no rules, but to be the best.

85. 85, high, hey. Welcome back to the 85 South Show. It is your man, Carlos Miller. You would not believe what we're getting into the day, man. I got legendary MC of Goody Mob fame in the studio with me today. Ladies and gentlemen, Big Gip, Big Gip, man, you're blessing us today. This is a whole blessing.

I don't even know what we did to dessert this. Let's get it. I'm fucking with you out. Man, we appreciate it, man. How you doing, bro? I'm good, man. You know, we're in the podcast industry right now. You're really making us official by coming through and letting them know that we're touching the real A-town today, man.

I'll be watching. I'll be watching the internet, man. Y'all be doing y'all shit. Man, I appreciate that. You know, this is a grind over here, man. How are we going to do that? Man, before we even get into any of the extravagant shit, do me one favor. Just set that Atlanta landscape.

Set the landscape right before y'all jumped in the game. Let them know what the real Atlanta talking about, man. Because you see what, you see that they're looking for that history right now. what's going on with the real Atlanta. So to be able to talk to a real A.T. Alien who was right here with it, set that landscape up. During that time, right? That was like the year of 19, that was like 89, 90. People still into like going to like Friday, hanging out at the park, like the wreck.

It was almost like Atlanta. was a, it was like, it could be a good section of people right here, then it could be the hood up here. Like, Atlanta was sectioned off. That was when most of the people that had money was on Cascade. So that's where Andrew Young stayed. If you go down at Cascade, those were the most, those were most of the millionaires stayed during that time.

Right. From, actually, the freedom fighting time from, from when MLK was on the radio. or in the city doing the stuff that he was doing down at Edgewood. So a lot of the you were still like having to make music to try and impress the people that came before you.

My personal my personal journey in music man was totally different than most of the people that's in rap music. My personal journey was I came up in County Line. Went from County Line, moved to East Point.

Went to Dotson Drive, went to middle school at Paul D. West. During that time, that's when I first met RICO. Okay. All right? We was in school then. In middle school, Rieck was already driving cars. In middle school. Middle school, he had his own car, middle school.

Had a photo 100. He had Taylor closed in, already getting his hair, kind of like Friday. You know, they should have got them. Pimped out already. Yeah, it was already doing that. They were doing finger waves and all that kind of shit. So Atlanta was just a town of people who danced. That's where you got people like Devine Stevens.

Devine Stevens were almost like, he was a legend in the hood because he was one of them dude that could dance. That's how he got down with Puffy and he left early. At the same time, people don't know Dallas Austin came from right there at college park. So people were still around there as kids. We were seeing each other. And once L.A. Reed and Pebbles hit the town. That wasn't the town chain.

I was in the group, Cah, O, E. Point Chain Game. East Point Chain Game. Who was in that group? In that group, that was me, Cool Breathe, a dude named Cal One. a dude named O-Z, right? During this time, it was only a few people doing music. The dude named Raymond Murray, he moved to my neighborhood. Now, Ray was from, like, over on the other side, like, Catherwood, like going toward, like, Cleveland Avenue.

That was, like, the neighborhood of the horror boys, carrying. Jerry it was only a few people that was doing it at that time like Sammy Sam Hit Man. Yeah like because at this time like coming up through high school

the only people that was on the radio was like Rahim and Shadi Shadi also had Tunt that went to Thayer High School so it was like during this time it was like it was big because you also had all the kids

who were the kids from almost like the Martin Luther King, that whole era, right? Their kids was in school with us then. So you had Buzzie. That was Mena Jackson's son. You know what I mean? You had Bo Young.

And it was like all these people was connected at a time where Atlanta was already ready to pop once L.A. and Pevels got here. So the scene was already set. It was all already set. That's when the freaknik was really something started by, actually, like, the college students. The college students started Freakeneek.

The people that was up at the AU, they're the ones that really start putting that stuff together at the actual, you know, parks and stuff. So it's like from that time, Atlanta Steel was about skating rings. It was about going to skating rings and going to the high schools to go to the dances and watch people dance. That's when everybody had dance crews. That's where the whole form of the Yeek came from. That's why the first time you seen TLC, that was something that we was actually doing in the skate rings. You know what I mean?

So Atlanta was all really ready to pop. So it was like, during this time, I'm trying to get into it. I'm like, man, this is like 16, 15. Like, Ray Murray moved to my neighborhood. He was like one of the original Five Kings. The original Five Kings were the dudes that was first doing graffiti in Atlanta like the dudes in New York. When this dude moved to my neighborhood,

he was the first one that showed me a drum machine. And it's hard because when you think back on shit that you actually been through, and you'd be like, damn, man, like, and they showed me a drum machine I had four pads. And I watched drum machines go from four pads to what, the 808, the 909. Kids that was in the hip hop would look at like kids now

that's in the Tyler, this in the Frank Ocean. Oozzy, all that. Like, all, you would look there as a weird kid. Drug dealers didn't fuck with us then. We were weirdos. Only reason why Atlanta was so popular was because Dallas, it was like the whole story of Dallas, man, like, it was a kid from college park that jumped in a car with Joyce Irving,

went to the West Coast and created his. so big that we didn't even know how big he was. I'm saying that because that's how it was when the first time that I met Kujo, it was in the backyard of a dude named Glenn Cookhouse. This before the dungeon, this before we found OutKed, this was like two weeks before we found OutKed. You met Kujo Goody.

I already was in, I was already in school with Kujo. See, me, Cujo and Timo, we went to maize together. I got kicked out of Ford County. I went to Woodland. So I was supposed to go to Russell, but I got kicked out of Ford County in ninth grade. So it was like, I left there and went to maze, right? Skipping and that, all this is going on in my neighborhood. Like Ray moving to the neighborhood, and like on the back street,

I met this kid named Joseph Carr. His mom was named Gene Carr. Jean Carr was from Washington High School. She was the one that went, moved from Atlanta, into an apartment in Philadelphia. Her roommate was Gladys Night. And it was like, Gladys Night was one of her roommates. And they both were.

went to Washington. You know what I mean? And Patty LeBelle also stayed with them. So you got to understand, like, this was going on with me as a kid moving up before that I'm meeting Ray, because this is like eighth grade, ninth grade. So then we get to, like, 11th grade, I'm kind of, and I meet Cool Breeze. Meet Cool Breeze, I meet Chief. Then when Ray started showing us how to work shit,

we was like, okay, we started out with just like one drum machine, but then we met this dude on the back street. His name was, his name was Joseph. His mama bought him a whole studio after that, right? I'm just giving you the history and pieces. Yeah. You know what I mean? So you know where it's connected.

His mama at that time had a big hit in the 70s, all right? from that time he had money so this was the first studio in the hood like nobody had this in the hole in them nobody we didn't even know that at the same time

Curtis Mayfield stayed on the other side of Camelton Road damn we didn't know this but in the kid this is like 87 86 you know what I mean we're watching rap videos and stuff like that Atlanta is booming on that kind of shit But once they came here, it organized it.

Because it was already Shadi. Shadi was really big like bass music was the shit in Atlanta. We didn't really listen. We listened to what. Only hip-hop kids listened to what was going on in New York. Most of us had 1200 Vegas had 12s in the back of our cars. So we listen to that type of music. I'm giving you a vague history of how much Atlanta was.

moving in so many directions at that time to where it did click it was like okay we go through high school the first year out of high school now I go to this where Reek is still up the street he's still in the he's still on the low

I'm on the head and he's on the low in that neighborhood you got T-Bahs reek they knew each other at the same time Kwan Prater KP KP was very much

a part of everything getting started because he was connected to TLC when they got signed they brought KP around KP in turn that's when he took

Wreek them and said we're going to do PA at Pvel's label Okay a lot of this stuff I'm telling y'all is like I'm feeling in the pieces of why Atlanta turned into to what it turned into

because it was like you had Dallas. Okay, and then let's go to the Kujo and Timo. They were the lumberjacks. They had their own thing going on. Kujo had his own thing going on because Kujo was from the west side. Okay, and all this shit going on at the same time, man. Like, it was just we knew each other from high school, but we really didn't start doing music to.

We were that first year out of high school. So most of us were still like hustling. So all this going on, JD was JD was starting to goddamn going to something else he was starting to go into the label shit because JD was always

doing something as kids we always knew JD we always knew JD were going to pop so JD was you got a look JD thing going on in the city Dallas thing going on in the city we're looking at Dallas is like he like pop we're looking at JD like damn like JD already

doing he and did kids he and did this that and the other I'm just saying that as us getting this, getting ready to come out. Right. We was like, we can't do nothing like that. We got to really tell the Atlanta story. Okay, in that time, right? We first year out of high school,

and I go over to the dude named Glenn Cookhouse. Now, I wear the new Koojo at Ryan, Koojo, Koojo. Right. But this is the first time I see him battles this little dude named Kaloz. Now, it was hard because it was, like it was the first time I ever seen somebody just battle somebody then break out and sing and it's like it was almost like a deflection like and I was like damn like I ain't never seen that before so it's like I ran back to the dungeon I was like yo little way like man

I seen this dude named Carlos man they call him chicken head man dude can rap bro he said bring him over here at the same time this going on brother like in the same month that's when like Rick's sister called him who was like yo man Rick was still up the street we were still where we was and he was like yo Ray come up here meet these two dudes from school and at that time I had the trooper so I pulled it up man they were like yo man shout at them gonna rap shawdy told it like like big always tell it man like them dude did about 60 balls you know what I mean back to back yeah it was awesome you know what I mean I was like damn welcome to pretty private with Ebeney the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free

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So listen to There Are No Girls on the Internet on the IHurt Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. For those of you who don't know what he's speaking on, Right. Now he's talking about an epic battle, Kujo Goody and Seelow. And this at a time with niggins in the South wasn't even really battling like that. No, because y'all forget, man, like, we were raised up on, like, Kilo was already a legend of us. Right. You know what I mean? Certain people was always a legend.

And that scene was already gone. Like, bro, the first time I ever seen Luke Skywalker and Poison Klan was at, was at Sharon's showcase on grid. And it was like, as a kid during that time, man, it was like, that was, that, that, them dude were like superheroes, you know what I mean? So seeing Tunt and knowing that Tunt went there, he was right there in the neighborhood, that's what really gave us to spark to be able to say, okay, we're gonna represent the street cut like Tunk them did it in the other way. That's because like songs like from Shadi really put Atlanta on in a whole nother way.

way in the base world and at one time anybody in Atlanta before it was in the face you was either on Ichibon or you were trying to go get signed to Luke records fat you know what I mean like so I can't tell y'all that the reason Atlanta went to the music ship because Atlanta went through the war the Miami and Atlanta boys see when that war went on a lot of people got kidnapped a lot of people got killed a lot of stuff so it was like Atlanta had to change as a city because we were so on that dope boy shit that a lot of our heroes were killed off so that's when it was about watching who was going on like like we got to change I said we can't come out and do like do me one favor big give tell them what that what that what that really was the Atlanta versus the Miami boys that's when

that was in the one that was in the Miami was really cocaine city and the Miami boys came up I feel with. Hello, for you start again. This is my man, Ronnie Joy. Huge fan. I had to bring some real, you know what I mean? I had to bring some real Atlanta, you know what I mean? A real fan so we can walk through this shit.

Okay. He said Miami, but I got scared of the perfect time. I'm gonna get a... And I'm gonna tell y'all, for the more, the longer I stay, I'm gonna get comfortable. Amen. I don't like mics. I don't like really talking to mics unless I'm doing. you know, the show, it's like shit.

And I'm going to tell y'all another thing. Like, I ain't really never tried to change for the industry. Don't. Because I made it when it wasn't no rules but to be the best. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not saying dudes out here not making good music. I'm saying that it was harder to get in. So right now we watch it.

just become their best right in front of our face. Like, my kid, like, dude, I've been in L.A., so it was like, my kid was going to school out there, keep sighty, and it was like, in her 12th grade, 11th grade years, she was bringing me tapes like, Dad, he goes, I love McCona, like, Tyler, like, Kendrick. I'm like, who are they, folk, man, like, who is it? And she's like, man, like, this was going on.

And just watching rap be like that. It's like, damn, like, so many kids can. get in but are they ready for that shit like are they ready for this life because it's like

if you catch a hit my nigga you thrust into this shit it's no man you're out here on the internet yeah yeah we flash

your money got damn but you ain't like I live this shit my nigga all that do a call call everything

you don't want full time full blown they're coming now are you gonna get to go through the ride

will you make it some people don't make it I got friends my nigga that didn't make it so when they be talking to me about the game I'd be like my nigga I'm like a pimp

slam I can't talk about people don't know how I real this shit is until you get in it And it's real, brother, it's your life. Like, the rest of your life, you've got to live with motherfuckers being in your life. Forever.

You can't change you. That's what I say when Atlanta was like that. Like, why you think Atlanta the way it is? Because every fucking record dog, I stayed at the crib. I stayed exactly where I was when I made my first. record. I ain't go nowhere. It's like that because I was looking at everybody in the hood like man, T-Bahs from up the street. Everybody, you know, Atlanta was like, shit, we all grew up together while talking to each other, going to middle school. Like, you know, me and T-Bubb-me and Chile

was in the same 11th grade English class. I knew she was a start-in and I ain't, you know what I mean, I'm just saying as far as, like, you seeing her, like, and when she winded up a TLC, you were like, shit, I knew that. I knew she were going to be a star. You know what I mean? And seeing what Pellows did, bro, like, remember in that day when I saw that damn, L.A. Reed pulled up in the hood and jump out. Shit, we did some.

It just be real for me because I'd be like, man, look. I said it I ain't tripping off how the game going I'm just saying this if it's a streaming service why the artist they write the music didn't even get a vote I ain't saying

let's start with that one like we all together on this and we making music for each other, then do we get a vote or how much this costs and how this work and how that work? Because right now gee, man, they just made up some new rules. Right.

There's no way to really count it, huh? How can you really count a stream? Hey, bro, you can't, at least I know what I did and the way them turns was said I can eat forever. I truly can eat forever. the way this set up this is like this fools go pimp this like shit they're good right now but shit 20 years for now how you gonna get them tell me what I owe you right that's a fact it's good why you hot oh yeah I'm talking about when you're not

your kids ain't gonna eat hey man this is This is the 85 South show. We're sitting here today with Big Gilt. He's giving us the whole game, man. With the legend talk, you got to sit down and shut up. You just shut the fuck up. Quit touching shit. So we're right here.

We're right here. Do you still got a Cadill? I remember seeing you on P Street when that DeVille first dropped the round one, like by the 2000. I'm telling me it was white. But he had the first one. He had it first with the bubble lights and everything. He pulled up on Peach Street.

I got to get the rest of the good amount story. Hey man, I don't see them so many times in my life in concert and it was always special. Like, I see y'all in the tabernacle and it rained and everybody still was out there. Greenbride up to a damn near shit before I graduated. So that's like 80, 9, 90. And then it was still slow to the average eye. You know what I mean? If you wasn't any scoop, you didn't know.

And if you wasn't into the game, then you damn show didn't know. You know what I mean? Kids only went to waltors. The freshest kids were the needs from downtown. They had the freshest gear. Those were the killers food. Like, that was tech wood.

That was all that shit going on down. That was a whole other world, my name. That was like a whole nothing scene. another city in Atlanta when that shit was like you go and that shit was like send the blocks like people literally that send the blocks upstairs and downstairs man that shit was like a whole another city in Atlanta like oh that where that that queer me that was a whole nother city man that shit was the first project in the united states and that shit was dare to have nothing but black people that shit was a whole nother that damn community the whole other

That shit shaped everything in the line. A fan kid was everything. The first rapper that in the game was Mojo. That was the first name we heard, like, yo, Mojo. You know what I mean? That was the first meeting we heard. But then Shadi, once he went, then Tune, you knew that was going to happen. Okay, Rahim, he was the guy.

And then the first time ever did the show, bro, was on, on Stewart Avenue, man. I opened up for Sam and Sam. Wow. That was the first time I seen Sam, like, damn. Like, ask the loco about saying, man, that's a nigga locked up. Yeah, he's been gone, man. That's a real, folks. See, that's when the old school, see, you can't talk to him.

Yeah, still be finances. Oh, that's on, though. You know what I mean? I'm just saying that you got to realize that when he just asked me, man, what's so-and-so is? What's so-and-so-at? Man, they ain't built for this. No matter the money, no matter what them folk gave him, no matter at the time when it happened, they're not built for it.

You know what I mean? I get choked up about talking about my life because it'd be like, shit, man. Just imagine knowing or watching, feeling, seeing pimps, seeing bum, pull up in the dungeon after they first half. I bet. We're right here.

You're about to tell us how good tomorrow jumped in the game. Okay, how good tomorrow jumped in the game. Now, we're right there. Right there at, uh, Chile's in your 11th grade class. Yeah. That's what we started. Okay. Really.

All right. I don't even know with the error. This tri-city, man. No. This is Mays. Mays High School. See, I get kicked out of Full County in ninth grade. I beat up a 12th grade up trying to beat me up.

So they put me out of Atlanta because I did karate on him. And this is a true story. And it's amazing when your daddy go there and then say, hey, man, why are you using karate? He said, what shit? I put him in school to learn shit. He said, what shit, Mr. Gil? You might need to take your son. need to leave. He said, we got damn a wheel

out of here then. And I remember that story because he stood up with me because I ain't bothered nobody. So, okay, I'm in the 11-grade, chilly enough. I knew she were going to be a star at the same time, too. All this going on

up on the low, in the hood. Everybody going to jelly bean. During this time, that's when I meet Ray I was telling y'all about Ray right he was the one I had a group called Sixth

So We're watching what's going on with Jermaine Dallas night here he in LA Okay LaFay start having Like tryouts So I'm in this group called six cents It's me Ray

My dude named Phil Phillip Bedloe and some girl dances, right? So we go to the actual tryout. It's at Claude Dion. Right? Yeah. The dude who actually is doing it is Bryant Reed, L.A. brother. He's sitting at the table with Lisa Lopez.

Just the first time meet Lisa Lopez. We go on the back, we got down like shit, man. We're going to do what we're going to do. We got up here. We did that thing. okay they liked the boy

that wasn't what they were looking for they were looking for a girl group put together with Lisa

so that day did nobody get signed right so I go over the dude named Glenn cookhouse

at this time you know we already did the thing with the out of care so they over there working

so they in their last years right okay dude named Ian Burke is the one

who really started who really started connecting with pebbles. So he started, him and Teabas, they're the ones that really start putting TLC together. At this time, right? This going on, a lot about, damn, they're the same years, right? Same shit, right?

We don't make it in there. I do chain game. It's like, it's two gangster. So I'm just looking around. I'm like, fuck it, I'm solo, fuck it. Rate them just, that's when they moved the dungeon over there in Lakewood. So this is when I go over to Glenn Cookhouse and I see Silo and Koojo Badlin. Go back, tell them about Silo.

Seelow come back over there with my homeboy named J.D. And my home, Brant, they call them Lil B, Killer B from Eapunt. So right, shall start hanging out. Okay, well, we were working on the arm. when we finished up we started really going up that's when wreaked them started going up to actually boss time

now at this time that's when got damn Whitney and motherfucking Bobby moved to a lot this shit is amazing boy this is like behind the music with blunt that's real real I saw with some cushions

shit man I know the shit it was When Bobby and Whitney came, so you got to understand. L.A. had no hit yet. L.A. really, like, got, he started the label. He got Jermaine Jackson. So, niggas was like, bust out.

Like, what are they going to do? So, nigger wasn't trying to be on the face. Nigger was looking at their pebbles, right? So that's what I'm saying. Like, this is at the same time. This is the first time ever met left eye, but I ain't know what she could do, right? So at the same time

Ian Burke over there We got damn chilly them All this going on right there E Point Camero Road DeLow all this Ian stayed right there On camera the road Behind the S&A cafeteria

You know what I mean So he right there Put TLC together bro In the hood It's him That other girl She's from the south side So that was the original members

So that's when they got damn KPito was like Boy they about to go out damn meat pebbles So they go up there and Shaughty left out already up there. Okay, check this out. We like that shit, but we don't like Shaughler. That's the first time, I need, you got to look that somebody could come back to the hood and be like, man, that shit far does, shawdy. Like, they didn't put Shaught out of the group because they put somebody else in there.

You know, these girls been around there doing that shit. So this is the first time that niggas I age and came back and said, boy, this shit. shit get wicked by a nigga like Shaw to put all that work in them folk put her out okay way at the same time that's when they start doing their first

kind of videos we're like damn okay they hit they motherfucking fuck the right hit now you start seeing Dallas Austin back in the city man he got damn Lamborghini out man Bing you know I mean showing y'all nigga what's going on you know what I mean so then he's like oh shit this is what 90 what year

yeah it's like that 90-91 it's early It's early 90. Oh, let me get it early. Get it. Big body. At the same, at the same time, Bing, Bobby and Whitney here at this time.

Bing. This one, Divine started running with Bobby. So this one, Bobby started being everywhere in the city, my nigga. Like, everywhere looking like meets at that time to us. Like, we're like, ooh. You know what I mean? Divine Stevens, right. Yeah, Devine with him.

But at the same time, let me tell you, this all the shit that's going on down here and Buckhead, this is the goddamn bean, beam, beam, we read, you know. We clicked in. On the streets, you got the hard boys. You got them niggas back by a little Joe and they take. Little Joe and those niggas from the east side. They at this time, these niggas were just like motherfucking goddamn BMF then. These niggas were hitting the south side.

Old National. These niggas are already in Lamborghinis, all that shit. That shit was back then, bro, and the old Lamborghinis pulling up. They were Dallas. you know what I mean so at this time this one all the south side start moving

generally to old national like this one niggas was on old national because you got to understand man at one time Camley Road looked at as like Camp Creek right now yeah it was like upper middle class doing well as a black person yeah and the niggas didn't have no money

really stayed over there in King Ridge and then back across them on the other side of Camley being here So at that time That's when all the got down That's when they emerged The street music came That's when you heard

Karen Jere from Catherwood When they came out with the hard boys That's when I knew The streets was Was coming up because these niggas did What BMF did. They had billboards up then. They had The hard boys' billboard was up

Right with all that shit was where Jady had his. They did that in 90, 91. You know what I mean? It's like way before because these were the niggas that took over the streets

once they ran to Miami Boys out of time. So it was all Atlanta niggers like, like I can't say names. You know what I mean? Don't do it. Yeah, we did. You know what I mean?

So you guys still understand that man back then, man. Those real niggas were still on the street, man all this flogging it going on they'd be doing man like uh-uh man like all this man niggi wouldn't loud at then if you if you if you if you if you will even working still like how nigga de y'all let me get that bulls coat off you bro nothing all this shit you know what I mean like just okay so you got to understand okay that's going on

KP get on we got damn TLC that's when we started really like he started like okay we're doing PA album at that time we still all in the dungeon man we still all over there in that house so we still

all really in the street my nigga I'm doing I was in hair school on MLK in the plaza Kujo and backbone they were down in Dixie Hill man they were down there getting to it you know what I mean so I was in and out of Dixie here so I'm out of school now I'm got them going I got a job on old national in the warehouses so I'm doing that I'm going through the dungeon I'm staying up all night I'm going to hell school I'm like fuck it you gotta look man Bonner brothers was the first shit yeah so so for niggas in the land it was about shit we're gonna goddamn get clean man we're about to be in the goddamn slum fucking with these holes right and niggis had the yo jacket hat back then yeah like this shit we got down

guys because a nigga running around with finger waved and they have man the sleaky nigga with the nigga with joy as shown cut with their slit at the bottom but had an alligator belt man when they got down a silk shirt that was the nigger to the brows because that he pulled up in the BMW with the

BBS is on it so Atlanta was like that I'm just saying Atlanta all this was going on with street shit okay let me tell you like why it was different for me and the music.

And why I never went into this just wanted to be a rapper or just saying I'm a rapper because it was like, the lady I told you about Gene Kahn. She was the first one that I went over to her house and she had new addition over her house.

I met Peebo Bryson over her house. I met Stevie Wonder over her house. And I didn't even fully know who these people was at the time. I was a child. I was a she took me the first time I went to the Fulling County Stadium her daughter had her birthday party with the Jackson 5

What? So like for me I was already introduced to the lifestyle of it because I was at a house I was watching how she turned her garage into her dressing room and like she just had shoes and shoes

and outfits and shit like that you know what I mean like okay like from now she was the first one to take me to sensations which her and people of Bryson did the actual show so as a kid I was I was always around this like the whole Camereton Road all that shit and she was all stars it was like Curtis Mayfield as a kid I used to see the dude that was in cameo he used to ride them down the street and a red Ferrari That was all up down Green Bride

That's on Green Brow With Lennox Right Yeah You know what I mean So you got to look What was going on In time

All this was going on They over there Putting on TLC Okay bam Pebbles put them on KP in the house They get the deal KP

They help KP They get to deal With PA Okay That's Mello and Reese. They're the first two people that got signed out of us.

So I'm saying that for this, say, that's when they brought organized noise. So at this time, we couldn't, we were the goong, man. We couldn't really even go into the studio. We most go to the studio and hang outside. Like, we'd be at either Doppler

or a boss town at the time. And shit, man, we just sit in the park a lot of Ports Town. Just got to wait for Bobby to come and just be a just, That was our shit like, damn, there you go. Okay.

You know, on some shit like that. And then it was like at Doppler, we couldn't really go in there because that was really like an upscale studio. You know what I mean at the time. So what I'm saying doing all that time is all this is going on at the same time. We're not on yet. But then JD get on with Chris Cross. And we're watching this shit.

We're like, damn, like, JD had got on. Like, shit, he ain't hit now. You know what I mean? So we go over to J.D. house. I mean, well, the first time that Cujo and Timo gave JD a Lumberjack city. He was like, man. Like, J.D. knew then. He was like, them they got something.

I just don't know what to do with it right now. You know what I mean? So I'm glad you, see, I got that history right then. Because I thought Lumberjacks came way later. I didn't know that Lumberjacks was a group before all then. I did. Yeah. Yeah.

That was just you and Kujo, right? Y'all was in Lom. Yeah. No, it was just him and Jambah. Timor. Okay, so you weren't even in the Lover Jackson?

See? There's so many splits of the family tree That's why we got to get the whole history first, then we get to the other shit. Right, right, right.

This is the family tree. Yeah, it's just like how everything going on and at the same time we just all in the dungeon we're just all in the dungeon just doing what we do you know what I mean

and they was actually working with Charlotte of them they was actually like yo do this, do that you know do that so you're okay all this going on OutKaz rap on their shit on a remix it was like okay all right then this thing you know it was like LA was like okay we're gonna sign Alcass now for us we were like shit that's us too like fuck that shit so it was just imagine just one day we get the call like two o'clock they're like man shalding them and sign I was like what I'm at the warehouse I'm in school I mean all that shit I got 1500 hours before I could have finished goddamn hell school and And hair school for me was like, shit, my nigga.

We're going to get the money. Everybody was in. Half school shit, you fought with the Barnum brothers. Or you was going to get down car washes. You know what I mean? The bullshit type of shit. I was talking about, you're going to get the money. You're going to get the money.

Come on. I'm thinking about southern hours. They don't know we work. We don't matter what we're doing. We got to have money. I had that. And I had a warehouse job. So I'm sitting there at the warehouse job.

They called me at lunch. was like, yo, my name, they signed today. I was like, for real. I was like, shit, today, my last day. I walked out on that, motherfucker. We're out of here, bud. We signed, but we're gone. So it was like, okay, that went down.

We knew we got, we knew that was going on. Okay, at the same time, you still got to understand. Ain't nobody really, you can't really see, you can't really see Chris Cross success. You can't really see JD success because this shit was out. west like this shit was out west it was big and we couldn't really feel it here because so while we watching this shit I don't care do they say man we need a record at the same time y'all got understand we performed for the man two times and he was like man you know we went to crossover perform for him he was like man me me man so we were like damn okay

So what he did was, I guess, once we got signed, he was like, it was almost like a test, like, shit, write that record. So when they wrote the record, it took almost six months. Like, we're sitting around like, we don't know. At that time, man, they weren't playing rap music on V-103. Right. They was not. They was not playing that shit. They weren't playing nothing around here.

You was got them W-A-O-K 88.9, 88.5, period. They hit hip-hop. so in that time frame you got to understand we're watching tlc come together i'm watching because ean involved with tlc reek them i already know them you you watch our cash they're forming into a group they don't really know me i mean we did the song you know we didn't know they put that shit on the christmas aisle man we went on living like we ain't had no deal you know what i mean so at the time when it actually happened it was like six months down

in there eight months later. So, doing all this time, the Goodemaw was just dead. You know, we went in and we did, we did our verses, but it was like, shit, this shit kind of strange, you know what I mean? Because we just went in, we did our verses.

Joe them went and did their verses, man. We hadn't even heard the shit until the album came out. We didn't even know what we did. Wow. Yeah. So if you go back and listen to it, that's what Tray said, Biggilt, Goodemort. I wasn't even in Goodymore.

then on the first out. I was, me and Celo solo solo solo. You know what I mean? So all this going on fast, bro, like this going on fast. Then they're like, yo man, good in mind, y'all didn't you put

the, they did that single. Yeah. When they did get up, get out, that's what me and Cilow knew. You know, because really, like, that whole idea was like, it was like, shit, dude. That whole idea for that video, it just came about really, like,

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disappointment to y'all every day I just stay around then I can't be found always ask to give me some living life like a bum time is rough my auntie got enough problems of our own little you're supposed to be grown I agree I gotta be the man I'm supposed to be but negative fatigue is all you seem to ever see I admit I've done some gush and I'm probably gonna do some months you shit and hold that against me why not my music's all that i got but sometimes we get tested for this to be manifested i know you know what i'm gonna say this to you i get high but i don't get too high so what's the limit supposed to be that must be why you can't get yourself about the bed before three you need to get up get out cut that cool out

ain't you sick and tired of having to do it out damn what up with all these questions you act as though you know something I don't do you have any suggestions because every job I get it's cruel and demeaning sick and taking trash out and toilet phone cleaning but I'm also sick and tired of struggling I never ever thought I'd have to resort to drug smuggling nah that ain't what I'm about see no we'll just continue traveling this route without any doubt or fear I know the Lord ain't brought me this far so he can drop me off here that I make myself clean he need to get up get out and get something Don't let the days of your life pass by You need to get up, get out, and get something

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That were going on That each individual was given To the sauce At the time We couldn't even see it You gotta remember Them people

On every piece of Video everything. We was laid on everything. So what we was doing was totally natural. And that's what it's kind of like I look at the day and I'm like, the only thing that's different is that we didn't have nothing to grab or take from.

Like you couldn't look at the nigger sauce today right now and go and buy that nigger sauce. You're right. You're right. Steeling took too long. You couldn't even copy it. It took eight months and still so. You know what I mean?

So, you know, I tell the story. the story is also going on at all the same time. Everything is new. Like, like the success of Dallas is new. God damn,

that's when you're having to, first of all, you got to understand that one time, every group that came through Atlanta had to go to goddamn Greenbri. That's why you saw everybody. You could just stand outside Greenbred,

you could just stand outside Greenbred, and you see it all the start going and going to Oshman and be like, shit, they're afraid. They go down time. Okay. If you look,

And why the kids were so infected with music was because Six Flags at a time used to throw all the concerts doing the going back to school and going back to school at Sixthleg. So that was the only time the kids got to see live music. I got to see Earth, Win and Fire, I got to see that damn cool in the game,

I got to see Prince. I got to see all that shit as a child. And Prince was up there doing that wild age shit then. You know what I mean? And a back-to-school show. Yeah, because it was Prince, but nobody ever questioned what he was because if you saw him live before the videos, it was like, shit, that ain't really, he just that. He got his own style. You know, and I'm telling you that that all was going on at the same time, when TLC became successful the way they was, it was like a shock to everybody. It was like, damn, you know what I mean? okay at the same time I'm like okay shit this shit ain't

working before this I'm like this shit ain't working I'm at this house and I'm messing with Cool Breeze we out at this dude

studio and he having like a party that was the first time I got to see escape like they walked out there and they used to wear goddamn hoods

and they took their hoods off once they started sound time that anybody ever seen. It was like the first day JD seen them and everything. It was like, damn, okay. There's girl groups. We still wasn't together. It was just shit vibe and we running from house to house. We're doing our thing, you know what I mean? We really didn't get signed into almost our care we were going into, they were out. They were platinum when we got signed. So it was like, shit. That was almost two, three years, bro. From the time we started, fucking with them. people so we were still deep in the street and still doing what we do so we started messing around you know

reek them started getting in man that's when they started going to New York and I remember they were like man niggily like Puffy picked us up I was like where y'all get y'all in some nigga they ain't prancing you know what I mean so we heard this like 91 92 like

right so reek them coming back they like okay we got to really do something now. We got to do the Outcast album. You know what I mean? Like, we got to really do the album. So when they do it, they put it out.

The success started coming. They started moving. They were like, fuck, could they mind do an album? Bro, we went in there and it was just like, okay, now we got a budget. So just imagine four street niggas doing all, whatever. And it's like, shit, okay, we got a budget. Y'all nigga I do an album.

We're like, shit, okay. So at this time, at this very same time is when Arrister put out this double, this double cassette. It had three songs from Big, three songs from Alcad. It was like the bad boy LaFace shit, right? We reek them to say, man, we can't, we never could record in Dunja Alcats before they did. their whole album at Bostown. So Rick then was like, fuck that. We ain't going to do the album in Boss Town.

We just did that. What should we do? So Reed was like, yo, we're going to go and do our album at Curtis Mayfield House. And I'm like, huh? Well, in the hood? You were like, yeah, on Camer de Road, on the other side. So imagine we go, we pull up, we had Curtis Mayfield House. His son come out with me to.

You know, he had moved on to the other house. But when you walked into his room, all his shit was. still in there like the original goddamn reels from Superfly like he had clothes in there did you steal anything? I feel like you stole something out of the curse made for a house. He gave me a, he gave, I didn't steal.

I feel like his style was like, this shit fly right here like I need. Look at this damn coat. He had a he had a he had a jumpsuit. The jumpsuit I wore soul food was his. Get the fuck out of him, man. That's

that's an exclusive right there. That's 85,000. It's closing. Nobody knows that. We're in there. That's a real life. What? Like, in real life, bro, like, all this is going on

at the same time. We're watching OutKaz. You know, they're going out every night. This is the first time they were like, yo, man, we're going. Bro, we're going to Dallas. We're going to do the Dallas Stadium.

And I was like, shit, I'm going on this one thing. Okay, what's y'all got to do that? This is like, the first, this is like the first time. Like, they were like, come on, Gibby. So we all go out. It's the first time I leave Atlanta, jump on the plane with Charlottled him.

And we get there, man. It's Tony, Tony, Tony on the show. It's everybody on the show, my name. Like, it's goddamn, because remember that back them time, niggas, R&B special, my name, it's all R&B. Yeah, you could really do a concert with our RB. Man, then they came out there, man, they did them, like these albums weren't even out yet. Like, they were just now starting to come

Man, a whole stadium full of people, bro. That was the first time I realized, like, damn, like, damn, like, this shit bigger than Atlanta. Right. You know what I mean? Like, so with that just coming back, you still got to understand. Goodemarle was just putting our avenue together. We really didn't know shit.

So it was like, okay, Rick, we said, man, we're going to get down to the last couple of songs. The first song we ever recorded was blood. But the first song we ever recorded. Then the last song we ever recorded was really like from that first album was Cell Therapy. What? That was the last one?

Man, what was it like when you first heard that shit? When you first heard that beat? The beat, yeah. Man, that's one of the hardest beats in hip-hop history. It was a different beat. Because at that time, I didn't know where it worked at. You know what I mean? Like, I didn't know where it worked there, but I trusted reeked them.

I knew that that piano was something that was special. But I was like, man, the way it's dropping it's so goddamn. Like, you know, I was just used to goddamn, we in there, we're in the groove, you know what I mean? But I was like, okay, it's different. But at the same time, I knew that we was in a time where we sitting up there watching the TV and we watching we're watching folks like

uh man like we saw the first Wu-Tang we was watching like some of the record that really shook us like at that time the records we were listening to

at that time was like with Big Mike I'm serious out we were listening and got them like yeah we were listening to Big Mike I'm serious out and that nigga were busting on that hour

we were like we just on the bus. You know what I mean? We were listening to got them hard to swallow. Pimped them. They first out. We were listening to goddamn a ball and MJG, man. That shit was just so hard.

Mr. B, Mr. B. We used to just, yeah, that's mynuffer. It was just like. All we were doing was just trying to concentrate on some dudes that were really bussing. And we wanted to compete with them because we looked there like everybody else wasn't really fucking with us.

So when we did, when we did I am, bro, like, you got to understand, man, Kujo is a whole other type of rhyme. Like, he still is the rapper that really, like, if you go back and listen all that shit, all shit, the niggas made popular man, that shit. That man came up with. He was a jukebox back then. He came up with all that different slain. Remember when we dropped the slain bar?

I had the whole slain. Yeah, like, that's Kujo. So you gotta understand like when you ask me outside like what it feel like when people overlook y'all. It's like it ain't about overlooking us because what we was here for, we were supposed to be overlooked to a certain extent because of the things we chose to do. It's like it's a difference when you first, when we did say it then we're like, fuck it, we're going with it. It was like shit, MTV banned us. You know what I mean? We first came out. We got left. We ain't never play y'all. That's why Harvard account. As soon as we got banned MTV called. Harvard called us and said, we want y'all to come speak at Harvard because we want to know why MTV bands y'all to cause y'all racist. So just imagine, like, on that first album, it was more about us trying to protect who we was than what the music was talking about. I ain't even know y'all was banned. They had, like, little, y'all had, like, the old, like, the, you know, the black-faced cartoons and all. They banned us for us.

Like, Jay-Z's doing that now. How do you feel to see Jay Z still on that? Y'all was on that way back then, you know what I'm saying? It's not even still It's just they know that we weren't far That what we said was true That's all You know what we say it was true Because now I know it's being used

In the commercial way There's money being made Right then it was They never looked at good at mob It's like no young niggas They always assumed That all y'all was already grown You know what I mean?

Like they didn't get y'all the benefit Of being young art But I'm saying growing up here though Y'all was we was after the football game We were bump a goodie mob Goody bad, bro. Before the game, ain't no more you.

Ain't no more. What? I mean, it was... That's when I started smoking weed, Goodybad. Like, for real. Because you're supposed to put some fire when they,

who's your name? It was something else. It was something else, man. Like, I go through it a lot of times. It's like, when you're in live a lot of times, like, it's hard to... Like, I'm gonna tell y'all,

when we wrote Silo book, like, I had to really sit down with a writer to process or how you process a writer. When you ask me stuff about my life, most the time it's like it go from here there because when you live in it, it's like all the blur. Just like

when I look at the kids now I'm like, man, you don't know. Like, we used to two off one album for two years. You know what I mean? Like when a motherfucker gets the goddamn really live with your album and hear what you saying, understand. It's like

now it's almost like we race to get it, but we're also racing to get to the Knicks. I remember when y'all dropped the ATLE and sampler, that Freakknit, that lad good freakneck, that had all those, just the snippers area

something, boy, we was fighting over that tape. That was something because we really wanted people, that's the space that we knew people hadn't attack yet. Everybody was so trying to be and trying to fit in what everybody else was doing.

We came in the door saying, fuck that we're not fitting in right you know what I mean so it's like when you think about it as an artist if I came in on a record like cell therapy what you expect for me

yeah you can't go back yeah if a nigga come in and you're successful one way so just imagine when when these was like yo like fuck fuck being smart new it's about the club I'm like huh like what when do we

we start thinking like that you know what I mean and I ain't tripping all that it's like it's just that once we started out there trying to tear down the actual the people that helped us get there

you can't do it you're like that's how the streets survive it's like yeah you gotta look right now yeah shawley man y'all give more money than niggas ever got in this shit

faster than any motherfuckers ain't got it but when you keep it my nigga got a long time to live so don't disjew respect me by having a nigga because the feeling of that shit it's the same feeling it's like but once you have it hey man we'll see the game is set up for you to get right back oh man you ain't shit unless you spend a hundred thousand on you watch oh man you ain't shit if you ain't got that goddamn bed they had a watch dude in there and the car dude in the room with you all right he over there the diamond dude the mortgage dude right there they're all friends with your agent it's all it's all it's all it's a all it's a a game. You know what I mean? So

for me personally it's like when people ask me about different times in Atlanta, it was different times in Atlanta that it was all six and off. It was nobody down town. Nobody did no clubs downtown. First time we did a show downtown,

it was Outcast, Biggie Smalls, and Craig Mac. We had the warehouse. First time we ever stepped downtown like, yo, what's heading? You know what I mean? What's hunting? You know what I mean? I mean, that was the first night we met Chris Tucker, and he, you know what I mean? So it was like, that's the first, that's the same week he left there and went and did comedy death jam. We was like, that nigga that I'm from Atlanta?

You know what I mean? So you got to understand all this going on at the same time when every situation in Atlanta is about the bubble. Right. Every type, you know what I mean? So you got to look. Once you start seeing Bobby and Whitney on the scene. L.A. on the scene, they start having success with TLC, you know, puffed them in town. You're seeing big, man, like, you know, it was a different time.

Okay, this is when Kyle up there on P Street. This one here, everybody really started, like, getting together in, like, one cub of this vibe. So, during this time, this is the first time I meet Alex. Like, he parking cars out here. I'm like, damn. Wow. Like, that's where Alex comes from. Yeah, like, he was parking cars.

Humble Beginners. No, like, so it was like, okay, this is when we started meeting the other people that's coming into Atlanta, like, we start, the people start really living here then. Right. You know what I mean? So Atlanta was changing. It was turning into that black Hollywood, but it was turning to a black Hollywood where you expected all the people that was really here. Like, you respected the music, the catalogs, man, to see baby face in the city. Like, it was something else.

So, you know what I mean? Perkinson Park, nigga. I was talking to my man, Newface, right? He told me to ask you about when Buster Rhymes came through with the Behold of Pell Horse book. Reeked him at the time was working on TLC at Dart. This is also the time that Dallas had Rowdy going, and I think he assigned Buster Cousin. so they was in one room and reeked them was another room

kind of messing with the TLC stuff so at the time we couldn't go up there but they gave they gave him a book bus gave him a book so when they brought it back like Big Rube had him shout out the Big Rube

yeah Big Rube tell Big Rube come holler he read the book and then he passed around and he said everybody need to read this book after after we read their book

is really what created the song Cell Therapy. Because the whole time we was laying records, like good a bit, I mean all the stuff that was on Soul Food, the first records, like we didn't have that knowledge. So in the middle of that, creating that album,

we got that knowledge, and that's what created cell therapy. You know, cell therapy is a Negro spiritual. You know that, right? Dooom, do. Do you? I think so. I've seen that shut down a cruise ship on many occasions.

You understand Like white lawyer women They're like, oh my God, college Hey, can I ask you something though Being from Atlanta And you was around in them days It was a club called 559 Hosted by the legendary Bruce Bruce

Shard and show me all these pitches With all y'all man Like back in the day You talk about like the comedy scene And how the rap scene y'all was kind of always together For some reason in Atlanta Everybody always used to Jones And, like, it was like, it was like, we started doing, it was like 559, bro.

Like, 559 was the equivalent today of, uh, what crucial is. Right. That's what, that's the equivalent of 559. The hood hang out just got a fun-ass spot. But it's, but it was right there in the way. west end right so Bruce Bruce was doing it all the west side it was going everybody was

spending money that's the first time it was like a club there was kind of downtown there was hood that was right there on the coast of the hood and you know like downtown and it was like that was the first time you started seeing comedy acts that's the first that's the first place I seen Doodoo Brown

like man like He's still doing it. He still out here. Shout out of Salute the Doodoo Brown. Yeah It was like That was the first time Like the comedy ex first start coming in Like

It was a real big thing for me Because I think that was the first time That comedy and hip hop Had came together in the city And it worked Right Yeah That's man

The 559 I want to go to a documentary On the 559 man Because I was young enough To know about it But I was just young enough To not be able to get in When it closed

I was out there at prom I was 16 But it was like Bro And one of y'all the niggins ain't 18 get the fuck i'm telling you but i'm embarrassed the shit i was like man i got to get somebody to car i got to get somebody call so i never really got in but i've heard the legendary nights and the the strip everybody riding down with their blazers and the

s t's and shit it would draw a deal of hell in heaven you know sesame street one of my favorite good and mob songs man that was a real song hell yeah that's a real it's still real and relevant I fuck with it, Eric, now and then. Fly away. Oh, my God. I thought you had one. I thought that was one of the craziest big gift verses out of all. Now, what they know about the banana and mannays.

Boy, that was the, boy, fat people all around the world. Saluted that intro. Man, tell me about Fly Away, man. Flyaway was a record that was doing, at the time that he was doing the bad boy and organized noise picnic. and it was like a it was amazing because it was a fun weekend everything were cool but I mean we lost the basketball game and I mean at the same time we had this record playing

the whole time during the same time as we lost the basketball game at the dungeon and it just made us feel like y'all like from now on like if you don't like where I stay fly away and we took it because it wasn't it wasn't puffed them it was just different people that were there their first time to the south, so you know how when people come around, you're complaining this shit. Y'all ain't got her. Damn, y'all got her.

But I mean, we're at the mansion, though. You know what I mean? You're back home, son? On the block, son? But we're still at, you know, you know how you hear people talking this year? And at that time, man, we were kind of fierce, man.

We would tell your head off, man. At that time, we were 200 deep. Like, when we did that weekend, that was the first time ever seen dudes like mech. You know what I mean? I was the first time I ever met me and it was like you got to understand like people whole whole style that whole style of what they were doing that was us like that was us in the gentleman club era because that's how we used to hit the club yes you know what I mean so it's like for me at that time and and it just be tripping me out sometime that people I don't understand what people gravitate to certain people about like are you gravitating to a person because they got at them making a way for you or you gravitating to a person that's got them doing something culturally good something that's changing your lifestyle because a lot of time you got

understanding in this in this new world it's just seeing like it's real hard for people to be themselves it's real because everybody's just eating out everybody plate to stay in the game and i'm just like okay so how long does this last Because you got to understand when they was doing this same thing that they're doing to us right now to rock and roll, like, then it really relies on you having a great stage show. Now, me being a person that's always been about the stage, like, it's about stage. Like, people used to always ask me, like, yo, Gibb, like, how you came up with the way you used to dress. I said, man, like, real, like, I just, my grandmother used to take me down to the wrestling one.

out with us. I used to go to the guy. That's some down south shit to the wrestling. Hell yeah. And you know, like, some of my favorite stars were the ones. You know, Rick Flair was always there, man. Hey, Rich Flair's still out here at this street. You know what I mean? Like, you know, it was so many of them kind of stars

are really actually being in Atlanta and being able to go down to Channel 17 and just see that shit live and be like, man, look at them costumes. Like, I used to always be like, that shit, that shit worked, you know what I mean? And you got to understand, like, it wasn't about, it wasn't about no genre's den. Like, music was music.

Like, when you hear, when you hear I wear my sunglasses at night, like, it wasn't categorized. It wasn't like rock, pop. It wasn't none of that den coming up. It was just music. Right. So it's like, for me personally, I know I was different because it was like, shit. When I first started getting my money, I'd be like, shit, why am I going to go to God damn? why I'm gonna go to goddamn greenbri and buy some shit

when everybody gonna have my shit on? You know what I mean? You gotta remember like I was thinking like shit I got four niggas in the group like shit niggas gonna go to Greenbrii to flea market nigga shit, nigga shit, they gonna work that shit so I'm like, and then that you gotta remember like Lennox wasn't nothing we hung out at

like Lennox was a place where you went in, you got your shit, you got back on the train, niggas didn't have cars, so niggas was getting on the train and go to Lenny's, so, and you know, Linens was like, shit. If I'm going to go to Linens, I might well go to the goddamn Greenbrier. You know what I mean? Maces and riches, all that shit, the us was like, shit, that's where it's it. So you got to look that I was kind of like, hmm, them first goody mob albums. I was like, shit, I ain't

going to a goddamn place like that. I'm going to go to the Godwiel. And I was just like, it wasn't, it wasn't, that nigga didn't have money. It was just like, I already knew how other needs to do it. I already knew like, they're going to go get some fresh shoes. They're going to get a polo. old niggas, all that, nigger. You know what I mean? I was just like, man, they ain't doing that. They're still doing the same shit.

So I was just like, shit, okay. I was like, fuck that. Like, I started going to the get-them thrift stores. Like, we on the road, I go to the thrift stores, and I'm like, look at this shit. I'm just like, man, I'm going to start making my shit. So I started, when I started coming back to Atlanta, I started going to the fabric store up there on Chesa Bridge.

And I just started walking around looking at fabrics and shit. Like, man, shit. I want them fur kind of plans, nigga. And see how I try my shit out, I'd go put on fur pants, nigga, and go to the Magic City, and stand up in the goddamn gang, damn goon bay, in that bitch. Like, nigga, what to say something, need. Oh, this is the real story ever in life, me.

Digger with the magic city in fur pants. Say something, nigga. We'll tell your head off, nigga. You know what I mean? So it was like, that was the way I, that was the way I dad, niggas. You did Instagram, really? You just did Instagram in real life.

I did it in real life. Like, I went in a new human likes. Like, like, like, like, nigga what? Like, nigga like, man, Gip up and goddamn, my, man,

Gip is in goddamn majesty with some lime green, monkey hair pants on. Hell, yeah. Like, niggas, like, man, they need a crazy, man.

The nigga, be like, man, that need crazy, right. But I knew I would fuck it with a because they, the nigga knew,

like, that nigga hang out in Dixie Hill, man, they didn't know all the nigs from the south, son. All the niggas from the east side.

My niggas knew me. Like, I wasn't no kid that you couldn't learn hip hop like how kids learning now. When I'm listening to some of the A&R, they're like, man, I ain't started listening to hip hop to I was in college. I'm like, what? Man, I led this shit from the goddamn ruddle to the tutel to the show. Like, like you're like, and you're telling me what's hot and what ain't.

It's like, man, come on, my name. It's like, when you're looking at this shit, This experience is like, man, like, niggas don't even know, man, the money and the fame, man, that's, that's the, that's the goddamn, that shit comes, that shit going to be so fast. It's going to be like, boom, this shit going to be so fast. The money in it, the, the traveling, sooner or later, this shit going to become a job. Now do you love it. See, that's the difference. See, I had to do it for so long when it wasn't no goddamn money in it. It's like, that's why I can be like, I can sit back and knees to be like, yo, man, why you ain't rapping? I took care. I did the right thing. I never signed a publishing deal in my life. So you got all your publisher, bro?

What? What? Yes. Why don't they ever talk about this kind of stuff? They always show us the rappers who broke. Because that's what they want you to believe. You see, that that's what they're going to think, God damn, you're going to think that vanilla ice broke.

But he's not. He did 160 million records. He still said almost three, four million. records a year you know what I mean he got his own show on DIY when you look at Sir Mixer like man you were like man what don't need is that man

he's still rich man he invested his money into tech companies in the 80s wow you go up there then he got to spread like goddamn bill by Bill Gates and all that kind of shit your shit just spread your shit wail over there way over there

like yeah that was an authentic way it over there by the way don't get mad just because you got and it's like come on my knee like if you don't want me to be here to tell you that's right i say my name i've been through that it's cool the rules change the rules change everything but the game don't because at the end of the day you steal the vehicle see understand you still going to have to write it you still going to have to go do the show you're still going to deal with the people i know that shit

and then dealing with that shit way along to you right at the end of the day that shit ain't going to change. The only thing going to change is if you got a hit and when the time you don't got a hit and can you live without a hit. Speaking of hit, I heard a story about Goody Mob and Tupac and hit him up. I heard something.

I mean, us and Tupac was really something, bro. Like, first time we went to the West Coast, man. God damn. We got picked up by J.T. the bigger fit. J.T. took

us around at them, then, you know, the Bay. At that time, like, Al-Qas was out. Pock was doing all that shit with Rich and Rich. Like, we was running in the park. Like, that was the first time we got to see, like, we didn't get the meat easy, but he was on the show, you know what I mean? Right.

Like, we was, we seen them. The first time we started me and Q them, bro. Like, the whole thing, when you go to the movie, like, in the straight out of comp, this shit, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the shit they got there and Q'd them, got the fighting with them. It was like, we were there.

Like, that shit was right here in Atlanta. Like, you got to understand at that situation, you had the West Coast niggas beefing. You had Q and the lynchmaud beefing. You got Luke beefing with death row. Man, that shit was awesome. Like, that was an awesome time in Atlanta

because that's when you start seeing, that was really the first time that Luke came in the building. That's the first time the West Coast niggas came to Atlanta. The first time that the niggas was doing, it was like New York was going through a change then. It was like the niggas was knowing it.

Like, okay, at that time, that was the first time I met Mobb Deep. The two little niggas that came, my dude named Dave, he was from New York, and he was like, yo, my nigga, I managed this group named Mobb Deep. They're coming down to the goddamn, to the, what's the name?

that shit. That's how you saved me your phone, two little niggas. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? He was like, because at that time

they were like kids. Right. And their first shit was like them on a t-shirt. I had one of their first t-shirts. It was like them

and they was holding like these these like Grim Reaper type shit. And we was like damn, that's kind of strange. Like, you know what I mean?

But they first shit I heard it was like it was real grimy. So just imagine at the same time like this after we did players ball

and I look up on the TV and I see goddamn mob deep and they're doing shook ones and I'm like, damn, I met dumb things. Right, you know what I mean? Like, doing them times and doing the same time

that Atlanta was changing into something else because you gotta understand that's one one night, man. We're sitting there we at the dungeon and got damn L.A. come over and he was like, hey, Reek,

I want you to meet this little boy, man. And we're like, We all kind of like, we sit up and playing Technobone. We were like, man. And L.A. walked in, we turned around, and he was standing there with Usher. Damn. You know what I mean? So we were just kind of like tripping.

Like, he was like, man, this is my little nigger Usher, man. Like, I just got him. He's from Chattanooga. We're going to move him down here. Man, we're going to get him in the studio. You know, so he was like, damn, like, that's a little shout. You know what I mean? So at this same time, we're finishing up.

We're finishing up the first album. When we finished with the first album, we're going in the still standing. Doing this time, this, after we come off tour, we got them with the Fugis. And now we got a little, we got a little, it's a difference because now we got experience. We know what we want to say.

You can't just skip over y'all. I was on tour of the Fulji's too. You just kind of rolling over all this is legendary. That's too big. That's big. Oh, boom, boom! Okay, um... We got to get some bombs in this, bitch.

It was... We need some sound effects. Put sound effects on the list and shit. We regular as hell, Gip. You just rolling over these legends. Oh, yeah. All the Lauren Hillers and her friends. Like, we, that was, I'm going to tell you, this experience, uh...

He going to have to come back like ten times. Right, this is going to be a trilogy. Yeah, like, like, being on the, to tell you all the truth, being on the, the role with the Fugia was real odd, because it was. was the first time we ever seen a girl and two dudes, you know what I mean? He said I really looked. And it was

amazing because the whole first tour, I remember my first tour was in my fucking like Virginia steamboat, like this old place that's on the water. I mean, it was the first time we really we used to always see why Cliff, like he would go in there and do the sound

check. You know what I mean? And we'd be like, okay, they'll go Cliff. We ain't really know him then. We were just looking because And, you know, like, I remember the first night we performed, it's the first night of everybody meet each other. We watched the roots. We're kind of like, yeah, okay, we do our thing. And then they came out, and I remember, man,

Wiclair walked on the stage, and he started playing cell therapy with his mask on. Wow. So he's playing cell therapy with the mask on, and he started a concert. And then all of a sudden, And then they go into some other shit and then here come Lauren Hill,

I was like, that was the first time we ever seen a brawl do that, bro. Like, it was like... You said it like that too then. It was the first time I ever seen it, seen it like that. Because I'm going to tell you who was also on the tour was Bahamadilla.

Oh. And she was wrong. She was bad. Yeah, she was... She is. She is. She is. But Lauren had something that

Bahamadilla didn't have. Yeah. You know what I mean? You wanted to bang her. You didn't really want to get at Mohameda. My mom did was mine, right? She was, I mean, she was fine for back then. You know, that was a sole sister, folk.

That was an old sister. That was an old sister. That was a guy. That was a cut right there. That was a raw Africa right there, baby. That was a 15. You know what I mean? But, I mean, I'm just saying, like, in a lot of ways, like,

the times that we spent on the road is what shaped us into a, still standing, you know what I mean? Because we wasn't accepted a lot of places, bro. Like, you know, first time we ever performed in New York, I mean, we got booed. What?

We got booed. But it was okay, though, because they booed Biggie, too, and he threw somebody down the steps. You know what the hell? He threw somebody down the steps. I remember that first, the first night we performed in New York, it was us, Biggie Smalls, and

big pun. Wow. That was legendary, God. Who went first? Yeah, like, shit. We did. Oh, y'all had to catch. Oh, damn. But Big pun, them got treated just like us because you got to look at that time.

They was looking, it was, it was big pun, big pun and fat Joe. That was the first time that the Puerto Ricans was saying, we're doing the Puerto Rican thing. So in New York, that was kind of like. Fuck out of there, B. You know what I mean? Yo, get your friend, B. And, okay. So that same weekend, that's the first time that OutKeds come and we dropped the album.

They come back up there and we drop another album. It was like, that's the first time we met Method Man. You know, that's the first time we met Wu-Tang Clan. I remember watching them in the club in New York and I liking them. Like, they're different. Them niggas are there for long eyes. They ain't from around here. You know what I mean?

Right, we got to see that same shit to them like, damn, like, so Wu always felt just like us because when they first came out in New York, Staten Island was looked there like, and boy, stop, boy, that's the country. You know what I mean? So them feeling like that, and when you got to see when, when dirty ran up there, it was like, nigger, we're for the kid. They felt just like us in New York. They felt like, man, niggas were shunning them because they weren't on the glitzy shit. They was on their shit. like this eye shit you know we're on the wutane shit we on the karate the movies and shit like that so it was just different to watch somebody from up there going through the same shit at the time in the

industry because you had to be a certain way you got to understand man the west cozen being inside that source that night man they weren't that well they weren't they weren't for snoop deal but that performance was so dynamic that hey man you had to respect it so the different things And it happened throughout the careers What makes me be like Okay, I've seen these got damn turn Nothing and something Now I'm seeing

The industry be like, okay, we can't control this shit Now let's just manufacture it Yeah, that's crazy So were you in there tonight At the Social Wars? The South got something to say That night, that legendary night

How deep was y'all? Because I know it looked crazy It was just six deep. We were us and Shanti Dau I remember Shanty. What's up? That's the home ground? The hip,

professional shantidos and I know this it's like we won't probably have to do this in two or three sessions because I got a lot to talk about but I can't say man like for everybody out there I want to just say that I love everybody I love all the artists I love what they doing how they doing it you know I mean but it's like when you know the game is set up for them to even lose twice now when they ain't even got nothing to look forward to, it's almost like heartbreaking, because you know, man, you know the game.

It's like, man, you get older, you gotta slow down, you can't, it ain't gonna come like you used to, so I'm just hoping that deep people be able to find something that's gonna be able to take care of them after it's gone because if you don't, if all you're gonna do is party music,

then that's all you're gonna ever have. When you write something to change people in minds and change people, the way they think then it take a little while to come up with that and rushing that that's god's time that ain't yours you know once you and said something that changed the world and you watch what you said come into fruition it's almost like man i'll wait on it man if i never say nothing again i did what i was supposed to do yeah i'm telling you man that's still standing out came out on my 18th birthday and your verse on uh beautiful skin bro when you talk about your girl man

i was like okay yeah you know what i'm saying it made it cool to be be like, I got the baddest thing in the eye here, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's, that's different. We was dissing women at the time. Big Gip made niggas feel bad about throwing trash on the ground. No, nigga, don't shut me up. You post something out for your home, boy, then you throw the bitch right at him. Dude that.

Hey, you're cleaning up the hood, man. Get this shit up. Hey, when I, look, I saw, look. Hey, I had a piece of paper in my head. We was outside smoking by all. Like, if I throw this trash on the street, give me going to kick my ass. I'm so sick of seeing trash on the damn street, man. Hey, that was the really shit, though, bro.

God, damn. But I'm here. Hey, because you're supposed to care, man. You need is not going to survive, man. You see what's happening? Right. People ain't going to survive, bro. Hey.

The internet shit, it's just making the story faster, and it's making the lifestyle faster. Ain't nobody's trying to really get out there or really beat them no more. It's like, the need is living the lives of the characters they make on Instagram. Man, so, you know, I'm just like, hey, man, like, I really never lived it like this. Like, when I'm doing it, I'm doing it. When I'm not, man, I'm chilling. That's what I mean. Like, when you, when you're ahead it all, seen it all, being around

it all, man, it ain't really nothing else to do but to love life. We're in here tonight. We're just talking shit. Hey, man, do you understand how appreciative I am, but being in here, brother? I appreciate the call. No, see, this is what, this is the type of shit that's supposed to happen. You in here, man. I call my real, I call some real people I know who. really fuck with hip hop. I call my nigga Newface. I call my nigga Ronnie Joy and I wish D.C. was here because he damn

show winter made. Wow. You know what I'm saying? They were saying they high school's on the songs back then. Remember me from way back in the day? Exactly. See, this podcast right here, this is only for real dirty South hip hop heads. See, it's a lot. I don't

expect you to understand all of this because you're too damn young and you don't know how to listen. Well, the thing is they need to know this because all the shit now came from this. Right. Like if you love hip-hop, this is like hip-hop 103. This is like a, you need this class to graduate.

You got to have this bad. You got to have your credit. You got to take this big gift philosophy class. You got to. And you got to. You can't, we not let you get out of here to see. I mean, you can't graduate without this. This curriculum.

This curriculum. This is a state mandated thing. We can't really change it. You know, it's not up to us. This podcast is for niggas who know how to pay attention. This is not for them pill pop. Quit touching shit. Quit touching shit right quick.

Hey man, you guys are doing a fantastic job in a while and out this season. Thank you, my. Hey, man, this shit is so... Bro, this shit is so funny, man. Derrick killing. Jess O'Lareas, get it in. She gets it in.

B. Simone gets it in. You know, one thing I can't say about the new cast member, they're fearless. Yeah, man. The spit the water out shit is my favorite shit, how y'all walk out and singing. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it.

You know what's hard, though, playing that game, and you have to keep going, I have to keep saying shit to Nick. It's like, I know this nigga now. It's like, what can I get him with today? Right. You got so much shit on them. Got a lot of dirt. All right, man. Okay. We got the Pimsy. We got the Pimsy story coming up right now. This is a real hip-hop head is, man. I ain't even get into the fucking one month. monkey don't stop no show album like we ain't talk mutant mind frame bro that album was 20 light years ahead of his time bro yeah the old the song could you do me in favor could y'all perform old man when y'all do the ATFs because i don't know if y'all even do that album because super free they had the

spot with see love pose to be it was a real monkey on the album cover this is how you say one monkey don't stop no show bro it was like fuck you home it's like a love thing though we felt it was still in love it was funny i'm a tell you i'm a tell you i'm a tell you Yeah, what the whole thing? Like, I mean, I can't even really, at the end of the day, like, I can tell y'all the honest, true feeling about that album. The idea to do that album and the name of that album was already in effect.

You know what I mean? Like, people never thought about this. Like, we, back then, you couldn't explain what you was doing. doing, okay? Y'all got a look that all of a sudden we hit, you got a lot, you put out two successful albums, you put out your third album,

world party, it's sold. 8,000, 800,000 records. Hey, dip still jamming, though. I know, like, oh, okay, so. Cutty, buddies are full. That's happening, right?

Okay, then all of a sudden, boom, you get a call. The face owed. it. Everything and every way that we have built our careers and how we made our money changed overnight.

People never sat down and said, well, damn, what happened to LaFace? Needs never said, well, damn, what happened to, you know, LaFace? Like, what happened? It was just like, one night we put a record out. We go damn there

platinum. The first two months then we get a call and LaFace ain't there no more man do you know what kind of mind frame what they did to people like to everybody at the time so it was like shit okay what do we do like what do we do that's the first time that we had to think about like okay what we do next money like low didn't know what the fuck like the lake gave me and L.A. gave me a load of deal. So I was signed to Arrister, L.O. was signed to Arister. The only person that went to really New York with L.A. at the time was pink.

Because at that time, New York wasn't accepting for L.A. You know what I mean? That was, man, that was J. them time. That was puffed them time. You know what I mean? So he had to go to, if you think about it, he was the first one that started changing the perception. of black music, he the one went to Eristin. We're like, okay, paint my stuff, right? So then it was like, okay, me and Lo, everybody wanted to get up to be a certain way. Like, I'm like, okay, now instead of it being LA

that we knew, now LA is at another place where now it's about bigger records, bigger, you know, working with Ferrells, working with the, you know, all the producers that was doing it in New York. You know what I mean? it was like a change for us. It was like, okay, you still got to look

after our third album. That was the first album that we really didn't do what organized. We did some were organized, but that's the first album that we got tracks from Kanye West, like mugs, you know what I mean? So we was kind of stretching out, but we were trying to stretch out in our own way.

But it was like, shit, okay, LaFay's gone. What do we do? I knew that it was going, if I stayed at, asked the bro, like, I knew that Goody Ma would never put out an album again because I knew that it was about to be a competition thing and it not be about Goody Mom. You know what I mean? And my thing was, shit, our care's got to come while we can't come. Why all of a sudden there it's like, oh, I'm only going to offer the deal to YouTube. And I'm looking at Kujo and

Timo like, shit. And what about them though? Like, you know what I mean? Like, so. At that time, I'm torn, you know what I mean? Like, Charlotte always been very talented, and he always got them had other and different opportunities to make money outside the group. And not even if that was the issue, but our issue was we built our group on going out and doing shows. So now it's like, okay, we got to go over to Japan.

The record take off. It was like, shit, okay, the first tour came in was in Japan. So it was like, shit, okay, we got to go and do Japan. We went and did Japan. Charlotte didn't go because he was working on the first album, Perfect Improfections. So the whole time, and anybody who ever knew us knew that Kujo was the one that got them came up with certain shit.

And if you think about it, like, if Charlotte was it, if Charlotte was on that album, and that was a complete good amount of album, one month, no stop, no show would have been the perfect title. It was something that Joe Grandmama used to say. She said, baby, one money don't stop, no show now. Shit, one person on show, if you still got to get the money. Right. That was just something he said, you know what I mean?

So people just took it there because that's when the drama shit started. You know what I mean? That's when the, that's when you learned that, oh, man, like, Niggas will be able to see you apart than together because that's when everybody gets to work, they hustle. Right. Right. You know what I mean?

You're strong when you, together, but when you're apart, it's like, this nigga here watch this dog, this nigga here watch the money, this nigga here watch the niggis, this nigga here watch the this. It's like, every corner, we're straight. But then when you get the guy there, breaking off, and these folks here, and these folks over here, and it's like, goddamn, like, you gotta see,

and at the same time, the face and change, it's like the whole town, everybody out here, us, TLC, everybody. It's like, shit, nobody was, Nobody was exempt. Right. So that's the other part that people never even took into a corner like, damn, what happened in LaFais?

Okay, what happened? And it was just about, okay, well, y'all record it. Okay, now I gotta deal with, damn, like, what I'm supposed to do? Go hang out in New York and got damn, goddamn. Right. You know what I mean? I'm just saying real nigga at the time. I'm just like, what I was supposed to go with,

because everybody up there like, ooh, I'm gonna go. Like, ooh, I'm going to go hang out of it. That's exactly how they party. Man, I ain't doing that. It is. You just got to look at the time. We ain't already built us. We, us, we're who we is.

And then now you want me to go up here and get them. Change the whole foundation. That's when I came back home. And I was like, man, like, okay, I got to go to Cots. So I go to Cots. I'm like, you know, I go to Cotch. I'm like, fuck it, man. You know, them niggas damn they gave me a major deal at the time, but I was like, fuck

it. I split it up, get Joe, Joe, Joe a deal, the lumber jacks a deal, niggas, solo deals, myself a solo deal, fuck it, you know what I mean. Right. People together, you know what I mean? I wasn't thinking about pleasing these, niggas, like, what they look like. I'm like, man, I gotta keep my niggas, you know what I mean? So it's like, okay, we come out.

First thing, Joe, like, man, my money don't stop, no show. Perfect for me. I never even thought about that at the time because at the time I'm already doing my solo album trip. Lord doing his thing. I'm just like, I ain't even thinking about it like that. I'm thinking about it on some goodie mom's shit, Joe shit. And I'm like, my knee ain't lost, you know what I mean?

Perfect. Right. You know what I mean? So when all the shit that came behind it, you still got to remember that. It was never meant to be none in militias. It was just us being goody-maw. Right.

Right. It's just, you got to remember. At that time, you ain't had no Twitter to go on there and say, Man, that shit ain't what a nigga? What I mean? Y'all nigga tripping. The nigga had to wait, you get on BET or something. Go do some shit in BET.

You couldn't tell that shit, and it wasn't no, none of them magazines was down here, so he just took it and ran, oh, man, that's see, like, come on, my niggas. Like, what are we going to do? We can't do nothing to continue to eat. Hey, man, that's how old man gets better. The older I get, the better that song gets old man.

Yeah, because it was real, bro. It was like, it was real. If Celo was on the air and the album, it took him all about it. That's it. I mean, they took it like that because that was the idea to do the record anyway.

He just wasn't in the pictures. Now, if he was in the pictures and that monkey was in there and he was in there and he said shit. You know what I mean? but being able to defend the shit at the time it's like man niggas got to do that and you got to do this you know what I mean

I did stepping out man I started doing shows and solo shows doing BET I did all that shit by myself but it was like Stepping out was funky as a motherfucker yeah but I'm looking at I'm like now see if I gave this same regular aster then

it's like I ain't always taking it like man look I don't watch motherfuckers make records into his so

I ain't tripping right it's like man come on my name like I didn't see shit there was

garbage with it babe bro the shit you know what I mean and that's and that's why

you gotta always know this shit's systematic as soon as you tell the right person no the shit

start going a tight way right that's for everybody As soon as you tell the right, motherfucker, no, shit, shit, start changing. Oh, he ain't dope. Come on, man. Cube ain't changed.

He just piss somebody out one day. Oh, shit, he ain't cute no longer. That's how the gang go. So that's why you did the records on Koch, and we did the records, and we was already talking. People didn't even know we were still talking. Me and Sealo were talking the whole time. We were tripping. Right. But then it was like, okay, he did his thing.

Then it was like, he was like, come on, bro, we're going to go ahead and get them not the goody mob out. So we got them started recording, we started recording the goody mob album. See, y'all would have got the shit 10 years earlier. But it was like, shit, at the time, while we sitting there recording the album, shit, Danger Mouse just hit Shardin was like, shit, man, he goes some goddamn song, man. Just see what you could do. The first song was crazy. Wow.

The nigga just walked into the studio. I was like, man, shit, man. I'm got some shit up in him. And he goddamn did crazy. One take. What? Get the fuck out of here. That was exclusive.

Bomb. Drop the bombs right there. Put the animation. That's real life. Right there. Real life shit. That's real life, man. He did that shit.

One take and sent it back. We was about like two, three songs deep into the new Goody Marvell out. Wow. You know what I mean? And when he woke up there, morning he said guilt danger my jet called me say he took that song to the radio and played that shit on the radio man i got to go to london what i ain't cilo for five years i remember in my heart i feel like see lois going to get the bad to come back in the fellas that's what i felt i mean it was always like

that but just like again once you put all these people into the middle and then you don't really got them sit down and start talking like you used to money like that that's the game bro like when when i think about it when i think about the game for real i tell every artist i say in there watch now you're gonna have way more fun going up this letter than coming down and really it ain't coming down it's just when you finally realize one day like man you know what i really have my niggas bang and how we used to kick it instead of all this on goddamn whole shit you know what Because once the whole shit start, and a lot of times, it don't be niggas, man. It just be how fame changed people, man.

Like, you don't know how people are going to act, man. Like, I got some niggas that kill their own people, man, tied them up, man, beat them the death train. Their own family, because they didn't come home from prison, man. They needn't, just all that on TV and way and way and tie a nigga up, man. You get the car like, wow, for real. Your own family did that, beat the niggas up. man you got money it's like that's the shit so when you see like when you see these nina mix in the streets and this goddamn this this new this new shit this internet shit it's like man

like you like y'all nigga awesome man never seen so many niggins indict themselves in my life boy i'll be like yeah they do these niggia act like this shit is legal like like i mean it don't matter what you do it's like if you got damn show a nigga you got two things you got two Three packs here, two dishes, a little drink, you up, man. It's like, man, I'm going to walk right in. Hey, man, there you go. Got your IP address, bro. Thanks.

They ain't even got to do that no more. They're just copying this and uses as evidence. Right. That's the difference, bro. Like, that's the shit that I just be sitting back. Like, okay. Instagram will piss PimC to fuck off. Oh, man.

Like, the PNC story, man, the hardest shit, man. Man, my dude, man, he got them, like, called me one night. He said, man, get up. Boy, you're not, you know. And it was a trip, because it was like two stories that they did. They really just always stand out to me. It was like, man, I'm getting that. I want you to fly to Houston.

You gonna see me, and you pick me up. Man, we went, and we went shopping all day, man. Man, spent like $250,000. $250,000, man. Damn shit. A nigga went about the guy, man, like $100,000 in jury. He went about a brand new

gray bent, little man, with the red guts. He was going out, man. I was like, this nigga... I was smashed up the grade one and bought me a red. Like, man, this shit was like... And it was like, you got to remember that time,

man, Houston was just going through it. And I remember that night, he's like, yeah, we're going to the studio, bro. And that was the night. He first went in the studio. since he'd been home and meet him and Scarface sit up all night for the time. Pint was around there looking and looking at the equipment. My nigga just, it was just amazing just him looking at

looking at Pro Tools and being like, yeah, what the fuck is this shit? Like, what that shit is? Like, I'm like, nigger, Pimp, that's that Pro Tud. That's how we do. He was like, my nigger, all my shit don't ain't that. Like, he, like, he, like, just. to watch somebody like his self come home

and be like my nigga like everybody beefing man like everybody ain't nobody getting money in Houston no more man like I got to make everybody get together and to watch him put that shit together with little jade and make all them niggas come out there to that ranch man and take that picture

man that was all on pimp right that was all on pimp to see that kind of to see a dude move a city for little nigga that were making money and big money at the time. I mean, like, bro, that's real power. Yeah, they had to really stop what they were doing.

That's real power. You know, and I really don't think people know what their power is until they see it in a negative light. You know what I mean? Like, what you do on the Internet, man? I can't say this, man. If we don't learn how to control ourselves, we can't get mad if we put ourselves into bondage.

It's like we can't get mad if we got there. We're going to show these folk of everything and shit. There ain't nothing no secret then. You can't call another nigga junkie if you got them fucking with something every day too. You can't do that. You can't do that, man. And he's like, you can't do that. Niggas out he could be got-thin.

It's just like this. You can't just be so help-conscious that you ain't living life. Like, like, it's cool, but you got to get them one day just say, hey, man, I just want to live, foe. Hey, that's what I did today, my nigga. You know what I mean? I lived, guys. Yeah, like, it's like when you just see when you got them look like, it's that everything be like so culture. You go and you be like, damn, you'd be like, damn, you'd be like, damn going to the gym every day.

I go over a nigga, how a nigga my head got down the gym? I feel laid out of the goddamn shoes over there. I'd be like, dang, a nigga out of goddamn keep up, even in the gym. Right. Like, yeah, damn, like, shit. Like, it's just the, what, niggas to be on it, I just be like, okay, it ain't cool to go to school no more. It ain't cool to be smart no more. Most kids of this generation feel like, yo, dad, we ain't learned, like, I can listen to my kids,

because I know that's their generally, they'd be like, yo, pop, like, we didn't learn how to get paid off the computer. I'm like, that's gangster. Like, you have learned how to get paid off the computer. but one thing about it is they cut that motherfucker off what you're going to do then and the only thing and the reason why I say that

is because once you got them get on the plane and go to countries like Serbia and places like that where they ain't got internet you'd be like oh I see how this feel I see how this got there will fuck the average motherfucker up and if they just hit that switch in the middle of the day in the United States

oh niggas gonna go goddamn Hey, why. And it's going to happen sooner or later. Information control is going to happen sooner or later. Because, hell, if the chip's going into the country, remember now once we start something as a company, it's the idea of it working. Once it's cool, it's just like at a time, bro.

I remember the time when my mom in them were like, shit, what the fuck is a check? Debit card. Boy, that's style. You better get my check, boy. Like, boy. fucking with those people, man. You just got to remember, like, them kind of parents

that were like old school, like, I'm going to write my shit out on the old shit, this add up to here, subtract here. Like, man, it's still people that don't fuck with that shit. Because right now you can have $500,000 in there, and them folks say that shit don't work, that shit don't work. That's real.

Do you y'all think about that? Like, that shit don't work? So when you came up with another type mind frame, it's kind of hard to get them getting to the, hey, man, I'm at the white part all day, man. I'm got them hanging out. Man, what the fuck going on? That's everybody under 25. You just sit back in a little shit now.

You go in the club now. You just seeing me like. All night, folk. You know what I mean? It's a different, it's a different, it's a different, it's a different world. And I only use them kind of goddamn things just to let me know how much I'd be paying attention. Like, man, like, what's real and what's fake now? Like, you know, like, when I sit down with an accountant, he say, man, I say, man,

I say, man, what's four million streams? You know, I'm just seeing on the internet niggas got them celebrating four million, five million. stream. And then the dude just look up to me saying, hey, hippie, that's like $4,800. And you know, I'm just sitting there like, okay, we celebrate, what are we celebrating now?

Now we say, I'm looking at all the noonee, I'm like, damn there, half you niggas are celebrating streams. What is that? Like, what the fuck is, what's, I sold 30 million streams? Okay. Okay. right now, it tells me that you're not

even going to get a check unless you do something over a billion. Hey, man. The game is goddamn twist. Hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Shit is crazy, I have, man.

So, so you got to look at that, man. You got to look at that and say, okay, am I being, am I being an asshole to the tight knee I am? Because, because we, y'all got to do it just go back and look at old interviews on Muhammad Ali. He never played the game, man. I don't give a fun. I have more money.

He never played. He was like, I'm going to play the game to tell the truth. And it's like you live longer like that because when you and already had the joys of having the number one record, being number one, platinum record, the old record. It's like, I ain't nothing else to do.

But tell you for the truth. Hey man, this shit real, but it's got down. If you're going to make money out of it, you're going to have to hustle it. you're going to have to say some real shit because, hey, man, after the guy that you can't stay the party, man, forever. So, you know,

when I look at artists like, okay, tell me why Barr and Marley go platinum air you. That's your real. That's your timeless. Oh, man, why the Beatles go platinum? Yeah, yeah. Amen.

Why MJ going to always say, you know, folk? Shit real, Hey, Frump. You could just name me one vanilla. What the rest of them are? You could just name me one hammer. Only one, Bobby Brown, baby.

Chris Brown getting clobber, got down, steal one bucket. That's real? Yeah. You know what I mean? So I just say it's like the principles of me is just different than a lot of people and ain't going to always come off strange

to a motherfucker who corporate. because I'm always be like, man, I think everybody should go everybody should eat, and they're going to be like, man, fuck everybody, and I'm going to work out with you. And just imagine just always being that kid, it was like, man, I don't want to do that.

Sooner later you become goddamn more trouble than somebody who wants to help become more powerful because in your mind you are already going into it like I'm not going to let motherfucker control be. And I'm not going to sell my soul.

There's a difference when you got more. The motherfuckers that really, you got to look at some of the artists, man, like, they really go there. They don't have anything so the industry become their real family. So what they'll do for the industry and things that they do for it is just different. It's different levels of this shit. It's what you want out of it, though. Like, you got to still look. you still write your best material when you're wrong.

So at the end of the day, like I told y'all before, like if big it lived, if pocket lived, if even pimped, if certain people would have felt like, oh, y'all knick's corny now. Even if Bob Marley would have stayed, the way it needs it is like y'all would have got them dissing people when all they did was gave you the truth. And it just seemed like now,

people would rather accept a falsehood than the truth because the truth is almost like it's just like water you can't change it I don't care what form you do to water you can't change water water water gonna be water

and just imagine being that being that way as an artist naturally there's nothing you can do when motherfuckers change around you but just stay you so is that the advice for young artists just stay you I say that's the advice for an artist if he feel like staying around for if he feel like staying around for a career

it's like if you just want this if you just want this for the good time to hold and all that kind of shit that's going to happen you got to hit record you got a big enough record you're going to be able to help all that but when you love this when it's just about you becoming a fan again to say, damn, like, me personally,

I can say, damn, man, I like what future do. I like what these niggas do. I met little guy out there, a little uzer, a little nigga cool to me, you know what I mean? He was weird, though. Like, I'm like, I'm like, shit. I remember how niggas just to look at me when I first came, and I'm like, oh, you know,

weird, though, I like that. You know what I'm just, you make great music, though, my nigga. You got a hit record that can't touch. When you see shit like, what's happened for Gucci, you're like, ooh, like, that shit happened for goose, because you know, if you know, if you know Gooch,

Goose was a real stumped down, whatever, get down. So to see Gooch come out and not getting no trouble and he live and he's doing what he doing. He got a foot action commercial I saw the other day. It's just, that's the kind of shit I like to see when I know people and went through it all, bro, like for this shit. You know what I mean? As you can get out here, you could be that artist like Park, my nigga.

Like, probably were crazy, bro. Like, Park was one of the most exciting news you ever want to be around. I was there when he got finished and hit him up. Like, you was right in the room when you did it? Yeah, we was there when he first recorded it. And when we walked in the room, it was him at least left out listening to it. And he was like, yeah, man, I want you to try to hear something. I'm like, what if he was like, man, on trip, man.

I was like, play it. And he played, hit him up, man. I just remember when this shit went off, I was just like, man, this shit going to be trouble, man. This shit just, you know what I mean? Because I knew, man. I was like, man, you talking about that man, a wife, man. You awesome, bro.

You know, I thought everything was cool But that point I was like, boy, that got down below the bill Field Right, yeah You know what I'm like We got to see by that I knew that shit

We were going to cause trouble But the impact And what he felt like Being with him, bro And how he felt like, man, Gibby And you got to understand, bro, I knew everybody

I knew Jimmy Hinchman You know what I mean Yeah I knew everybody in the room So it's like But then you're like This man, he went to jail he's like, man, you know, that's how I feel.

It's like, you know when the need to just feel a certain way, it's like, ain't nothing I'm telling. He's like, you can't tell him. That's how he felt. If you asked for your approval, he said this is what I'm doing. And just to see what that record did, and then to be with him before the record dropped, to be with him the week, the weekend of that,

the, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, soul train awards. Like, when we gave, when we gave, I think it was Jagged there, somebody at war, we come backstage, Pock coming down motherfucker with a hundred motherfuckers with him. They got damn Biggie had just went off with him in Fave, so he's standing

right here, we right here, Park walked up, what's up, good, and we turn around, that's the picture nigger see when they see us, and Pock standing right there, he's looking right at Biggie, he's like this, like, yeah, I'm going to, yeah, that's like when you see the picture with him and Shug, because Shug's standing

in like this, and you look, Low kind of looking man because low, like, man, because they made low changes clothes or more. Low, grilling. I'm standing to the side, like, behind shoes. So when Park walked up, he's, like, giving everybody his and laughing and big, like, standing right there, like, with the FOI, just kind of, like, by the door.

So when he looked at, he sees Big, he's like, yeah, I'm on it. You know what I mean? So it was, like, it was just funny to see him kind of, like, in action and not giving the fuck. about the police, but you seeing in his head and seeing him in person and knowing that

he truly believed that they did that to him. That's the part. Like, when you saw him, you was like, he truly believed y'all did that shit. So it's almost like anybody saying something, it don't matter who you is. They ride. You know what I mean? So just

to know also that where he was going to end up he already knew where it was going to end up you know what i mean he already knew that it was going to happen he just didn't know how he was trying to get out of the shit he was trying to get back he was trying to get out of the west coast you know what i mean i just know at that time having them conversation with him it was like yo man i moved my mama to to alana i think i you know man, I think I'm going to finish this death row shit. I'll move to Atlanta.

And that was supposed to be his album where he put on the slave shit, where he had that was like one of the last mixtapes they dropped, but that was supposed to be his album or him leaving L.A. and moving to Atlanta with his mom. You know what I mean? So it's like that.

He got pocket on organized noise and everything. He wanted to, man. Like, that dude called us from jail. Shit. Before he got home, he called me from jail. Like, he just like, It was just the different instances that with Park that I was, I just was so fortunate to be there. It was like the night, the night that he, that he shot them police, we was on the show.

Parental advisory, Mello and KP them opened up for him. So we was at Clark College. You know what I mean? We went in, all of us. We still was in the dungeon, so did nobody really know us? We just all were parental advisors. We walk in the back door. Kucho get locked up soon as we get

there, he had an ounce of weed in there, Puck, he'd go to right street, boom, he out of him. So we have, so soon as we get in, sharted them do their shit and Pock late. So when Pock come in, Pock still got on the whole birdie outfit. He still got on the whole shit, like, he fresh

off, he ran straight off above the rim, got on the plane, came straight to Clark. So when he got on the stage, you kind of like, yo Pock, you only got like 15 minutes, nigger. And he, He was like, shit, I ain't doing no 15 minutes. I'm going to do my show.

I'm going to tell this motherfucker up. And he was like, yo, they touched me. Let's ride in this motherfucker. So that's how the whole shit started where he dipped. They start riding. He lead to college. They go down the street. Boom.

He sees the white dudes. He shoot the dude. It was all the same night, right? Because the police was beating up somebody at something. Yeah. He lead up, bro. He go to another party. Another party that we were doing like downtown.

I can't remember the club right now But I remember he jumped on stage And you got to remember At this time don't nobody even know that shooting Went down because no social media Right, right So we don't even know that shit that happened He'd go to another club

He'd get on stage, he already pissed off So he'd get through halfway the song And niggas start fucking with him He grabs a beer and throws it in the crowd And hit a girl in the face So then it kind of pissed niggas off And he was like, okay So then we were like

man get the fuck out of here and he left that night we ain't know that that police shit and all that shit happened to like months and later monday shakur went before the bench in a preliminary court hearing accused of shooting and wounding two off-duty police officers during an argument on an atlanta street the incident happened at this intersection early sunday morning authorities say two officers brothers were crossing the street when a car allegedly nearly hit them An argument followed, and shots were fired. Guns were drawn at some point, and two people got injured. It could have been killed.

There could have been a lot of other people killed and innocent people killed. Shakur was freed on $50,000 bond. He'll answer to aggravated assault charges next month. You know what I mean? He really went Bishop in Atlanta. Like, he had one of them nights. He had a hell of a night. He really was a...

I think Park was just... He knew how, you know, y'all, y'all know how, like, it's riled in a, you know, rowdy niggas. So, you might know a group of riled and niggas, but you know, at the same time, too, you got to act a certain way around certain niggas just to know, you know,

some niggas know not to even fuck with you or play with you like that. Right. Right. Park was a master of that. Like, you got to remember, back then, the West Coast was crazy, man. Like, our first deal,

I mean, when we first did a song with Mac 10, it was like doing a drug deal. It was like, we met him in the studio. They was like, yo, y'all got to go in the room. We're going to let y'all know. We walked in the room, set at a table like this. And then Matt came out. He set at the other end.

It was like, that's how shit was done back there. It was like, y'all going to do this. Yeah, we're going to do this. It was about really you respect the motherfuckers you fuck with because paying motherfuckers. And he was like, shit. If I'm going to pay you, motherfucker, I want to make sure you got there. I'm going to give me what I need. Man, could you please write the Dungeon Family movie?

Is it getting written? What is happening right now? Are we getting the movie out of all this? I think everything's getting done. What's in the vault, man? What's in that good in my vote? Yeah, that child ain't released, for real. It's a lot of music.

I'm going to tell you all this. It's a lot of music. And it's still a lot more. It's a lot more music. It's a lot more. It's a lot of stuff that's going to come, man. I could just say that. Because I just feel like this.

like no dejo the stars the stars the stars the stars are lining back up for us to have to come back up and we don't have to put see just to see

Cole and Kendrick you know it was a long time before it was just any sign of us dog like you gotta still look like nobody has tried to do what we tried to do you know

to us like I met Kanye when he first came out when he first was hanging with Dame because I was hanging with Dame So I met Kanye at his Ross when he was just that college kid with that backpack and he was quiet, you know what I mean, before the car accident. So what Kanye turned into and what other people, like he spun the little Shans.

Like you can hear it. Like you can hear it. You know what I mean? How much Ye had influence. So it's like, but it's almost like they're trying to get them right loopie out. Yeah. See? The ones that tell the truth ain't the ones they want to have the knowledge.

The ones that they give them all is the ones that have our success in the money. Loop ain't got a new album that's hard, too. Yeah, but come on, man. How do we come out on one of the biggest records he ever had at that time and not as soon as he started talking about the real shit? Mm. Godley. It's like Yoda sitting right here.

brothers. I ain't got no, I just let the nigga talk to it. You know, I'm just like, that's the whole thing of just understanding where you fit in the game, man, because I can't tell you, like, I'm going to tell y'all a story.

Public enemy was one of my favorite groups at the time, like, in the first year getting out of high school, I ain't really had no job, so I started working at the goddamn red lobster on Camille the Road. and it was like right up the street from Deerfield so I remember at this time

this is when that song came out I just got paid and I remember a new addition they just dropped their new album in the rain and I'm working as a goddamn dishwash at uh at the red lost on Cameron Road and you know at the end of the night it's just me and this other dude and I'm just like I'm playing my goddamn music and I'm just goddamn just playing my tapes like man and you know the dude just sitting there watching me like you like rap music don't you oh like yeah man like goddamn love rap my nigga I just want to do it I just

I just feel like that's my out like I can do that shit and he was like what you listening to and I said man got damn public enemy my niggins nation of me that shit just came out and I'm on this shit, man. This is what I'm on. He said, you like public enemy, huh? I said, yeah. One of my favorite groups. Love that nigga Chuck D. I learn more from him now. I learned from goddamn high

school. He said, man, my brother, Professor Griff. What? I said, what? He said, yeah, I'm his oldest brother. I'm my name, Mike. He said, Professor Griffith,

that I'm my little brother. He said, they're going to be here next week. They're coming through on the goddamn fresh fist with the Beastie Boys. Say, if you want to meet him, I'll take you to meet him. I said, yeah. So, man, like, we ain't go in that day. They were like, man, I'm going to take you down here to the Omni, man, so you can meet him. You know, the whole time, I'm like, man, this thing is crazy.

This is bullshit, a nigga, had to ride the bus and everything. So I'm just like, you know, the whole time I'm like, boy, they need better be telling the truth bud, get me all the way down here. I don't know nothing about this shit. So we get there, we wait, we wait, got them, everybody show up, you know what I mean? Everybody show up and his brother, Professor Griff,

get there, and I'm like, damn, he was like, this is my brother, Professor Griff. This is the first time meet Professor Griff. And then the next thing, I know, he was like, yo, man, like, I'm going here. to get the S-Ws, you know, all them niggas come in here. I got to get the men into the stage. Chuck on the way.

So while I'm sitting there, man, we outside, he said, man, stay out here. I want you to meet Chuck. I'm talking, man, I sit there. About 15 minutes later, boy, your other cab pulled up. And then he'd chuck, did he get out. And I was like, damn, I was just like, niggily that guy out of a cab, like, like that.

Like, he ain't give a fuck. And I learned something that day. I was just like, that man headlining the night. My nigga, he didn't get fucked by no guy, but none of that shit. He'd hear about the message. Always stuck with me. Yeah, that's dope.

I mean, I mean, Jesus, guys. Hey, man. That did something to my spirit, man. Hey, man. We'll be here all that done weekend. Hey, man, I'm out, man. I thank y'all so much. Hey.

I thank y'all so much for having me, man. Come back, man. We got to write this movie, man. What's up? I want to see this movie. Hey, man. You can do it in two or three parts, man. You can't just, you don't got to limit it to one.

Irv Gotti's shoulder's the way. We can do a series. We can. Man, thank y'all so much, man. I'm out of here. I'm about laying down. Hey, man, the mutant. Before you go, before you go, tell them where they can find your social media.

Oh, man. Let me tell y'all, y'all can find me on social media. Media, man, they give a goodie. Uh, shit, man. I got all kind of shit going on. I'll come out. Hey, man, we can get the goodie mob on the show. Hey, man.

You can get goodie mob on the show. All right. You got a goodie mob on the show. You heard it right there. All right. 85. 85. 85, high, hi.

I got, can you sign my jacket, man? I'm trying to, I'm trying to, god damn, cement this shit. Anybody got a sharpier or a pen or something? Yeah, I got one right here, man. Still in perfect order. Shit, let me see, look at it. Still good tape. Still in there.

It's rewind, like, remember, blockbuster. That's the real hip hop. This is how you know, look. You remember, Blackbuster made you rewind. And then you get right to sign a new face is real cassette. And this man, this man I left it on the last song I played it on. I mean, whatever song I put it on, it's in the right spot. Do you know how much you got niggins when they were on punishment when they were?

Right, that song. Nick couldn't watch TV, but it was on punishment listening to tape. Oh, they're about a facet out of, yeah. Wow, bro. Favorite lyrics? What? You sound together one? Fighting.

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