The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - TK KIRKLAND in the Trap! | 85 SOUTH SHOW

Episode Date: May 22, 2026

THE 85 SOUTH SHOW IS A COMEDY PODCAST HOSTED BY KARLOUS MILLER, DC YOUNG FLY, AND CHICO BEAN. ON THIS WEEK'S EPISODE WE HAVE SPECIAL GUEST TK KIRKLAND.  TK SPEAKS ON LONGEVITY IN THE COMEDY INDUS...TRY AND SHARES A FEW CELEBRITY STORIES WITH THE GUYS. || 85 SOUTH App: www.channeleightyfive.com || Twitter/IG: @85SouthShow || Our Website: www.85southshow.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:03 Lucy Lettby. You can binge all episodes now on IHeart Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. All this shit came from George Clinton. The black. What, man? No, he's black. Oh, he's black. The clap.
Starting point is 00:02:24 The everything. Yeah, crazy. That's more... It's crazy. He'll even know who the motherfuck is. That's what I'm driving about. No, I'm like, he don't know who Parliament is. Uh-uh. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Exactly. Some of the baddest motherfuckers to ever go in a studio and record anything. Parliament? Oh yeah. I can't go to the face. Yeah. Parliament, Funkadel. George Clinton.
Starting point is 00:02:51 Yeah, just supposed to do it on the plane one day. You'll be a fan by the time you land. Man, my favorite shit still to this day that damn Dr. Funkinstein. Yeah. That's my shit. Dr. Funkinstein and, um, Get up on the downstroke. Everybody get up.
Starting point is 00:03:14 When I went to go see D.C. Cicco Bing for the first time in Jersey, I was so impressed with his knowledge of the catalog of music. He's great. That motherfucker getting just to drop like he was like an album. There was a song after song after song. I was so impressed. They called their genre Acid Rock, Psychedelic Funk. Psychedelic funk, yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:36 These niggas used to get on stage and do all types of shit. Yeah, they was fucked. All types. These, niggins? The same niggas y'all talking about? About 60 people on stage, bro. Lid. These are the closest niggas they ever gotten to the...
Starting point is 00:03:49 They'd drop a spaceship out the sky, nigg. All the motherfuckers get off the ship. That's how they closed the show. Everybody get on the mothership and go up. Yeah. Shit was fired, dog. Niggas come out and perform with a pamp on, nigg. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:04 So, niggas been doing this shit. Never should have been left. it out, the penitentiary. Because I'm a crazy motherfucker from around the way. Close the door if they ain't coming. Fucking read about.
Starting point is 00:04:18 That's what the hell I do. What we're at yet? I bet. And I'm in it. Y'all cut them light down some. Damn, they're ruthless. About one, two, more natch. You're crazy. I got the hit light in my face. I see you.
Starting point is 00:04:38 We're busy saying, yeah. They don't even know that's what Jesus got that shit from. What, that right now? Yeah. What, bitches that money? That's built the last. What do you mean? I put my foot in your ass.
Starting point is 00:04:57 They changed the game, boy. Man. When this shit came out? Gangster. I know this shit was crazy. They changed the game. We were in a lot of reality. I knew it was over.
Starting point is 00:05:08 All them niggas was singing the song. They didn't have to say, you know, it was the opening that. 10,000 people saying the whole, did the whole tour. Word for words. Putting the mic out, that's it. Man. Because you had the host of it. Yeah, I had the host it.
Starting point is 00:05:22 How was it during that time when they're coming out, like? Well, it was fired, dog. I was building a name for myself. It was like some rock star shit. Right. You know, so that was good. But my whole career was hip-hop, though. You know, from NWA to JZ to cash money to DMX to, yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:41 Like anybody that was Nelly That got to a point I said you're not famous Unless I opened up for you Right Yeah Because I was bigger than all them niggas at one time Right
Starting point is 00:05:50 Sure what That's gotta be dope as hell though To be on this tour This motherfucker is a game changer Right Which one? This NWA Yeah yeah yeah it's a game changer
Starting point is 00:06:00 Not knowing it though Right You know what I'm saying It was impactful for real for real You didn't know at that time I mean from the message And the music We got to remember we changed the game
Starting point is 00:06:10 I mean I know But what I'm saying is just before them, there was no, you know, rap had been out for years. You know what I'm saying? Right. They was the first ones talking. Exactly. Like they were talking.
Starting point is 00:06:20 It wasn't like you didn't. Because everybody else was unconscious. Yeah, you didn't know them. When that came out, they talking this type of shit, that it was going to be what it was. I'm going to say we because they always included me. We knew it was powerful, but we didn't know it had the effect it has today.
Starting point is 00:06:35 If that makes any sense. Back then you just go with the floor, like you guys won't know how really big you are until you're in my shoes and the other young comedians coming up and they praising you, oh my God, you guys must have been blah, blah, blah. And then you're the OG and another young comic, then you really start to appreciate what you've accomplished, 85, self, you'll see what you really accomplished. But right now you're just in the moment.
Starting point is 00:07:00 But when you get close to death and Social Security, start your lives. Yeah, when you only dad bit, I saw what we did, Chief-O. Life is good when you- We had a good life. If you can make it to get your Social Security and to get your AARP, you're successful. Right. That ain't a lot of people who actually got to work as close to Easy E, man. What was he like?
Starting point is 00:07:27 Easy was funny. He could have been a comedian. Word. Absolutely. He could have been a straight comedian. He always had a little funny-ass song, you know what I think? We both right home and my automobile type of thing. Yeah, he was funny, y'all.
Starting point is 00:07:41 Yeah. My life would have been different he would have lived. Yeah. Because we was going to start Rufus Comedy. You know, but he wound up dying. Paperwork, everything was done. So Jerry Heller, me, Easy, he was ready to go. It was ready to go.
Starting point is 00:07:58 Man, Arnaz Jay said he did the video where he played, did he play EasyE in the... No, no, no, that was A.J. Johnson. A.J. Johnson. Yeah, that was A.J. Johnson. But Arniz said that he got Well, AJ got some threats or something shit And he had to do someone or something shit
Starting point is 00:08:17 He ended up with... He went back with Easy and them And sugar and him was going to whoop his ass Because he had did something with Dr. Dre and him as well But AJ was trying to eat You know? How much, you know, from somebody who was actually there How much of the story that we get now is factual?
Starting point is 00:08:37 Which story? The story of that time. You know what I mean? Hip Hop did. the NWA's, the death rolls that early time. Oh, no, that was real. Yeah, it's just that I'm disappointed that Shug took it to that level because you gotta know when you have success.
Starting point is 00:08:53 And most of them has sabotaged themselves. Shig was my bodyguard, me and the D.O.C. Before the accident? Yeah, before the accident. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I thought Shook came. Yeah, I was there too. I used to host all, when you see about the pool parties,
Starting point is 00:09:09 I was the guy who used to host the pool parties. Damn. It seems like a chain, yeah. BHS tape somewhere with them pool parties. Yeah, pool parties used to be off the chain, dog. Yeah. Pool parties is amazing. Remember when the DOC had his car accident?
Starting point is 00:09:23 That was insane. And we thought he was gonna get better, but it never got back right. Man, this nigga is... It was a round of boy. He was like new face. Yeah, but was involved. It was involved. Get nobody signed out of it.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Right, right, right, right. Yeah. That's amazing. That's what's so funny is like, because you've been so close to the rap game and hip hop, but you never labeled yourself as like a hip-hop comedian. Right. Well, I look at myself as a businessman. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:54 That's the thing I take on. I'm about to show the world how unique I am as a businessman. And I've always been a businessman my whole life. I put things together, you know? Like I sit back and I pay attention and I watch and I go, hmm. And then I assembled the team. Yeah. And then we do what we need to do.
Starting point is 00:10:17 You know what I always thought was funny? Is that people don't, a lot of people might not know. You can do clean comedy too. That's so true. They don't know that. That's so true. Without a. Curse for, whatever, anything.
Starting point is 00:10:30 And when I book people for my show, I want clean comedians. And everybody gets upset. Oh, you curse, but they're not understanding. than I call it comedy IQ. You know, like basketball players have comedy IQ, football players. Comedians need to have comedy IQ. Whoever the headline is, the show is based on the headliner. People should get together in the room before the show starts.
Starting point is 00:10:56 Don't talk about this, don't talk about this, don't talk about that. So everything blends together in comedy. So everybody's not repeating the same topic. Because what I try to show people is a demonstration. Sit in the audience for a minute. And by the time the last comedian goes on and they talk about the same thing
Starting point is 00:11:16 so you remember. But if everybody has structure, you say this, you say that. Because we all have so much material. Whoever the headlining, that's his day. Whoever the headline is, that's his day. You don't destroy the headliner's day. That's his moment. And when you have you're the headlining,
Starting point is 00:11:35 You tell her. And that's what we have to start teaching the other young conference because they have no structure whatsoever. They just lost. But then we didn't also don't have been in the space where a motherfucker like, yeah, just do you. I ain't even tricky. Because they don't know, they don't see in the game.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Right. You know, the game is structure. Right. Tradition is very important because everybody looks good. Right. And then you teach that person business, right? That person learns from you. Right.
Starting point is 00:12:00 And then he starts telling, you know, we got to do it this particular way. And we start right now because nobody has given the young comics game. Right. Everybody's doing what they want to do. And they think we're crazy. Well, where do you place, you know, progression in? Because a lot of this, you've been doing this for 40 years. Yeah, 41.
Starting point is 00:12:20 41 years. So a lot of... God, damn. A lot of, you know, like I always say, the Etch-Sketch was the iPad at one point. Yeah. You have to account for, you know, progression. And so for a lot of the things that, you know, a young comic may hear you say, you were like, man, that was from 41 years ago. We don't have to be that way anymore.
Starting point is 00:12:41 What would you say to that? Because here's the thing about life. It doesn't have to deal with comedy, just life in general. We live in a society now where there's no discipline, there's no structure. And this is the reason why we have the problems that we have because parents had children, but then teach them nothing. So when you're not taught anything, people try to figure out on their own. Usually it's a small group of people. This thing has expand to something that I truly cannot explain.
Starting point is 00:13:15 So what you're saying is right, you're going to get people who say that because their parents, their environment, their school system, then teach them how to do their due diligence, didn't teach them how to structure things and sit back in conference. comprehend first before you reply. People reply first before they comprehend. And we all have knowledge to give people if they really want to listen. And some people find out too late. It's too late. But because of us, because you young guys, you guys are the new generation of this new thing called comedy. I'm not saying you're the best comedians, but you structures yourself to be in position to become the best. Does that make sense?
Starting point is 00:14:01 Yeah. Like you guys, every other comic is winging it, trying to get to what you guys are doing. But I was on your first shows. I've seen how y'all put the work in and made it happen. Again, you know, comics, what they do is they destroy themselves. They don't have no leadership, and everybody wants to get an agent or manager
Starting point is 00:14:27 to feel successful as an illusion. An agent and manager is good for certain comics because you have to ask yourself, what do you want? Do you want to be famous or do you want to be rich? And I took the money. I didn't believe in auditions. I didn't believe in sitting there reading and sitting there standing in front of a camera
Starting point is 00:14:51 and someone has to choose your future. But I do that motherfucker money was real. And that's the way I went. And I got inns behind my name, low key. Don't have to flex, don't have to, you know. And I deal with my past. People bring up my past a lot. I'm talking about stuff that happened in 1982, 83.
Starting point is 00:15:14 But I've been reveling it for years, so when you're good, people bring up your past and try to devalue you. But I embrace it. Look what I'm doing. Forty-one years still doing my thing? Shit, that's crazy. And I'm 66 years old.
Starting point is 00:15:26 That's cool. I wanted to ask you, like, when you first started, what pushed you to get into comedy? Who was that person that pushed you into comedy? That's funny. And who was some of your OGs who was like, no, come to the comedy club and come fuck with us down here? I'm going to blow your mind, dog. I didn't do it the way you guys doing it. I went to college, got a master's degree.
Starting point is 00:15:52 I ran track, and then somehow started getting into the street. I think it was on that. They track hard, dude. Don't get it, fuck, though. There's some pitches on the internet. They got the little chain on it. Yeah, I can run, duh. I got to run.
Starting point is 00:16:06 Shout out to Snada High School. And where you're from? Actually, Jersey City, New Jersey. But I've been around so long, don't know by nowhere from. That's what I'm saying. That's crazy, right? I'm from Chicago, Miami, LA. L.A.
Starting point is 00:16:19 But L.A. is really my base because I left home in 1979. And then I went to Arizona. So you would say I lived in LA, about 40 years. You're from LA. Yeah, exactly, you know what I'm saying? And then I remember my life changed and tell you a crazy story. I was hustled, I was making a lot of money. And I had a beautiful place up in Cal State, I mean Northridge on Parthenia.
Starting point is 00:16:45 Shit, sounds expensive. Yeah, now watch, it. What's crazy. I was even a comedian. Richard Pryor lived two doors down for me. Damn. on Parthenia. So one night I went out and that's why I actually did you have a car with the suicide
Starting point is 00:17:00 doors because I had one of them back in 19, 82, 83. And I drove out because I was a number of white people up there in Northridge. And this was like real, real white and this was gang banging was really hard in Los Angeles, California. So I go out one night and I'm driving on Sunset Boulevard. I see this party, the club was called Carlson Charlie's Rose Royces. A lot of people standing out, and I'm a cop of the niggas. I'm a long in there.
Starting point is 00:17:27 So I pulled in with the whip, and there's a lot of people, and this guy came down. He was looking at the car. He said, yo, that's a beautiful fucking ride. I said, thank you. He looked at me and said, my name is Keenan, Ivy Wands. Get the fuck. That's how I went down.
Starting point is 00:17:47 Keenan brings me into the party. Prince is sitting over there. Charlie Murphy, Eddie Murphy. And we all having a bar. As soon as I get there, six bars, Chris Stile, kicking it. So they invited me up to the house, because that's when Eddie was doing Beverly Hills Cop.
Starting point is 00:18:07 So we're hanging out, pulling bitches and shit, having a good time. And we must have hung out, good two or three months. But bad choices of the child, I could say, you know. Looking at now as a young kid, money was still doing stupid stuff. And we all went out one day and we came back and, um, me and Charlie Murphy was tight. He was all over school, but me and Charlie was cool. And I fucked up.
Starting point is 00:18:40 I fucked the deal. Stowe's watch. And it was a big chaos. And then be being a street dude was, you know. I was wrong, bottom line. Like, as though no if answer was about it. And then as I got old and became a better man, became getting my life together, the structure.
Starting point is 00:18:57 Even though you had money, just because you got money, don't mean you're a man and doesn't mean you have common sense. But when I actually got common sense, one thing I was just drive, and I said, these niggas let me in their house. When you let somebody in your house, that's shown they trust you, respect you.
Starting point is 00:19:14 And I did that shit in their home. So now, 20, 30 years later, you know, pushing the Bentley and shit, and going to a party, Eddie Murphy's in the Rose Royce. Because now, after I started getting in my life together, I wanted to run back into Charlie Murphy to look him in his eye as a man to apologize.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Because, yo, I need to tell you this. I'm standing now. Sir, please, you know, please give me. So Eddie is in the Rose Voice in front of me. They open the door valet. I'm right behind him. He got a beautiful woman with her. And, you know, I keep a bad bitch breathing on me.
Starting point is 00:19:50 You know what I'm saying? So we walk into the party and we're all in VIP, just like this. And I walk up to him, I said, yo, that shit I did as a kid. I was when I know, I apologized. But see, what people didn't know, his whole family loved me as a stand-up. They was tripping at people still was talking about it. And I just said, yo, I just need your blessing. I apologize.
Starting point is 00:20:13 He touched his side. He said, don't worry about that shit. And the rest is history, though. That's how I got in the stand. I wasn't I took that situation and turned a negative into positive because comedy wasn't on my radar Yeah and he and Eddie had a best friend his name was David Jones I mean David Jones was type and Charlie Murphy had told him You can't let people choose your friends because me him was close and because I mean Charlie had that problem
Starting point is 00:20:45 He was making sure he was that he was that chawks because he didn't influence him to say yo don't fuck with that dig it What he said to him was, that's your friend. You stick with your friend. Don't let nobody else influence who you choose, who your friends is. So, I mean, David was hanging out. And something told me, I said, I'm going to try this comedy shit. So we started writing. And again, I'm a businessman.
Starting point is 00:21:07 So the same club I met El Keene and Ivy Wayans and I threw a comedy show there and invited everybody for free not understanding the business side, paying for different stuff. And then at the end, it was sold out. At the end, we paid the bill, then our profit was $2. I took a dollar, I gave David Jones a dollar, and the rest of history. That's how it went down. Doesn't it?
Starting point is 00:21:34 How long were you doing comedy before you understood it? You know, the mechanics of the stage, and then, you know, the business is a whole nother side. I'm truly blessed to do it both. Because Robin Harris had a club called The Comedy Act Theater. Yeah. And it was on 43rd in Crenshaw. But I was a hustler. So I had the anything street I had on lock. So we had the palace up in Hollywood. We had Burland Weston, Long Beach. This was been Ricky Harris, Martin Lawrence, everybody used to come through. We had Zenos on Century Boulevard. But to see, the true stories is my crew kept comedy alive. The street niggas. See, because we were paying. people the kind of money you didn't like you would laugh at it but back there it was like real paper six seven hundred dollars like and i remember um we booked paul mooney and my man shannon shout to shannon and shannon's like yeah we want to book you for our show and and paul mooney said you
Starting point is 00:22:37 couldn't afford me and my man shannon pulled out um six one hundred dollars bill tore it up at half gave them the 600 said you get the rest when you get to the club like my crew was like that. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, I ain't fucking with you. You just tore that money up, Nick. Yeah. Yeah. Shout to Shannon. But, you know, we need to take.
Starting point is 00:23:02 Yeah, we're a different kind of do. So we financed and everybody had to come through our club. And I've seen the clubs pop up like that Tuesdays, the little vibe. But it all started because of Robin Harris. And then I had like six, seven of the club. So everybody had to work. And then I gave it to DL because I started. go on tour so I went on tour the NWA and because Dio was my guy I gave him all the clubs
Starting point is 00:23:28 yeah wow you got a main-ass road work game too man when did you start putting that together like as a comic it's very important that you can move around and and hit different spots and go do different shows man when did you start developing that type of stage presence where you can go to new york and then go to l a then shoot down south every All the comedians and entertainers ain't able to move around like that and eat it all year. Yeah. It was just in my DNA. Back in the day, because I used to fly first class back in the day, but I was a hustler, like a hustler, but knew how to do certain shit.
Starting point is 00:24:03 And then the comedians couldn't make it. So because I was in the credit card, I was paying for everybody's ticket to fly them to places they couldn't get. So they paid me. Like when they had to do that. Exactly. The paperwork, all that. So I was flying. people to get to where they had to go.
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Starting point is 00:25:06 Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special.
Starting point is 00:25:22 So how do we actually come up with a name? Hey Jonas, guys. I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.
Starting point is 00:25:41 I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Starting point is 00:26:38 This is my best friend Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip, just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my.
Starting point is 00:26:53 My Honda Odyssey with all the snacks and drink. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar something here? Just hit it. What are y'all doing?
Starting point is 00:27:04 Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. Could you believe? I would buy it. Cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious.
Starting point is 00:27:16 Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict. You are. I'm not an alcoholic. You are. You are. You're lucky I'm not a killer. I love this.
Starting point is 00:27:23 team and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Because, I mean, you know I know the road grand. Yeah. If you got a little flight hookup or a little chick who can get you on her family list for a hundred dollars, you can eat. And this is before we'd have none there. Now, don't get wrong.
Starting point is 00:27:50 I never flew on the credit cards. Right. I was just really about that motherfucker money. Yeah. You know what I teach people is book your tickets months in advance. Like when we got the tour dates, my airline tickets was booked last year. So my tickets is cheap. Right.
Starting point is 00:28:11 Man, I got to ask you just talking about being a kid and the things that you did back then. So at 66 years old, for people that watch us, what are some of the things you had to unlearn to become the person that you are now? some of the behaviors. I think I had to become more selfish in a sense and more discipline. You can't let emotion tie you down. You can't allow love to tie you down. It's good for some people.
Starting point is 00:28:41 Some people got to be in a relationship. I don't have to be in a relationship. My success is based on you got to know your purpose in life. My purpose to change people's lives. And I knew that as a young age. I changed everybody's life. So when I met D.L. I put DL on it.
Starting point is 00:29:03 I met Mike Epps, you know, something special about him. I brought him up to New York City, him and got for around the same time. Because I was a businessman. I was thinking 20 years down the line when I snatched up Sanja Bullock, and I snatched up Anthony Michael Hall, John Nugazamo. See? I had all these people in the 90s. So it was all a plan.
Starting point is 00:29:25 What I didn't realize or I didn't plan for is that everybody started doing their own motherfucked thing. Right. You know, so that taught me a valuable lesson. Like, you can have your own plan, but people got their own plan. So when everybody started doing everything, I made a great deal of paper, but I wanted the world to know me as a stand-up. But this is my first comedy tour with comedians ever.
Starting point is 00:29:53 I worked all the time, but I never had a tour. tour. I never did tour because a lot of different things, you know. It could be haters, it could be agents. Like me and Chris Smith, even though that's my guy, me and Chris Smith used to bump heads together because the street's one of me. But Chris had to run his business like a business. Like if he had nine comics and he's making money, he ain't, because nobody represents me. So he's not going to put me on the show if he can make money with another comic that's on his roster. So I'd never signed with nobody, but I was just getting it. I used to put a month. A lot of people don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:26 Me and my crew, we used to put up money on the tours that I was even on, just so I could make a proper. I had to be involved. Like, that's the kind of person I was. I had to be involved. And I've always been that way. How can I put money in this to be involved? Even when I look at the war, what's going on.
Starting point is 00:30:44 Most people complaining. I look for the defense contracts that was doing the bombing and who makes the bomb? Who makes the bombs? That's in my mind. Like I saw it on the news and I showed the shooting, but what people missed was that they had a machine that was shooting lasers.
Starting point is 00:31:03 It was knocking out the shit out the sky. I went the chat cheaply tea and figured out who the fuck that was. And right then, by 9 o'clock the next morning, I was already invested in the company. So that's how my mind is set up. I walk in the room. I want to know who owns the building. How can I be involved?
Starting point is 00:31:20 And I've been like that my whole life. Well, you just did a lot of interviews with Ladd and this and opened you up to a whole new audience, man. Yeah. How you navigate net after all these years in the game? Now you got a whole new audience up under the audience you've been creating for this long. You guys are my new TV shows. So let me explain to you. Back in our day, we're going to hear Austin Hill and David Letterman.
Starting point is 00:31:42 That's it. That's it. Now what people don't understand is this tool that you have in front of them in front of you. this is your TV show you don't need to go to Hollywood and try to be on all these programs you got your own your phone is your TV station
Starting point is 00:32:03 bottom line and if you put the work in people gonna know who you are if you don't put the work in ain't nobody gonna know who the fuck you are right so when I did the breakfast club because me and Charlaman go way back
Starting point is 00:32:17 because me and me and Wendy Williams is tight and Wendy Williams is tight And Wendy was a big fan of mine. Charlemagne was the sidekick at that time. And when Charlamagne blew up, we all had always been friends. And I did his show. And I just understood what views was and numbers.
Starting point is 00:32:33 And apparently my shit was high when I did the show. Vlad called me before the elevator hit the floor, ground floor. He called me, his sister. And I walked right over there from Charlemagne in the office to Vlad. And Vlad rocked. And we've been rolling ever since. That's almost like 10, 15, 20 years now. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:32:55 Mm-hmm. You were talking about being in the streets and being a hustler, and especially back in the 80s. Mm-hmm. It was real. Yeah. I mean, so that mean from the 80s to now, you've seen a lot of indictments. Oh, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:33:08 How'd you manage to avoid all of that? I've been blessed. Thank God. Wow, mine. Because that's game that a lot of people don't get. You know what I mean? A lot of dudes see the streets and see the glory of the streets. That's so true, sir.
Starting point is 00:33:20 And don't see what it takes to be able to even tow that line successfully. So I could honestly say I was blessed. I remember when my family out in Philly, Junior Mafia, James Cole and all of us is back of the day, smooth, all of us is in the show. I was just about to ask you, who's some of your favorite hustlers from back in that era? Well, you know, everybody, my best friend is Eric Von Zipp. Yeah. You know, that's my, like, everybody knows that's my favorite.
Starting point is 00:33:48 I know that's my best friend. We go on the house together, you know? But Junior Mafia, they had got indicted and one day, this is when we had the burners. And one day, all the phones went dead. And I think that's the day the feds tapped them. And I just happened to be lucky that I was on the West Coast. And I didn't get caught.
Starting point is 00:34:13 Next to me, no, two, three weeks later, everybody was locked up. Yeah. That's great. Because I mean, you're talking about L.A., you said the gang banging. Yeah. You were around when that started. Right. You're talking about junior black mafia.
Starting point is 00:34:27 That's Philly. Right. You're talking about New York. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, man. Like what do you think it is about you that made all of these different streets? Because that's the street organizations, man. It's like we don't fuck with nobody.
Starting point is 00:34:39 Right. What made them constantly open their doors? I just think that people, even my stand up, people were attracted to the shit that I was talking about you know I was doing no lame shit I was talking that real shit the street niggas always been at the camera show always oh yeah and what people don't know and they did talk about this too death jam was created for because of my style what you mean break it down yeah see um Tina Graham and what's my guy that we saw Bob Sumner oh man Bob had him we're gonna say prayers of Bob yeah
Starting point is 00:35:13 that's what we're gonna say okay and Bob And then called me, TK., we want you to do, we create the style around you, and nobody could do it about you, but I turned it down. Now, it was a bad business. I didn't know at the time you could do both. So people need to take the time to Google
Starting point is 00:35:31 this program called Mo Funny. It came out in 1991. It was a documentary of black comedy, and they compared me to Richard Pryor, Mounds, Mabley, and all that. But that produced at the time, she didn't know. She said I could only do one. And because of the way I think, I always wanted to go.
Starting point is 00:35:50 If the comedians went left, I went right. I never wanted to do what everybody else did. And when I saw Def Jam being televised, and I saw Bill Bellamy, he had a clip in my special call Mo Funny. I was like, damn. And then I couldn't get back on Def Jam is because Russell Simmons' credit card had got stolen. Who the fuck would do such a thing? Yeah, now watch this.
Starting point is 00:36:19 So Russell Simmons' credit cards get stolen, but they think it's me. I would. I'm going to keep real with you. Right, but here's the move, though. It stole Eddie Murphy watch. It wasn't. You just got blamed for it. I just got blamed for it.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Now, that's fucked up. Yeah, I got blamed for it. And Stan Latham, who was Russell Friend's best friend. Love Stan. held that against me. But it was actually my man, the credit card I stole was actually a gentleman
Starting point is 00:36:50 from all jokes aside, Raymond Lambert. So you stole another credit card. It was a whole nothing. It wasn't that you wasn't still in credit card. Man, look, this ain't it. Exactly. What are you looking for?
Starting point is 00:37:04 Man, I got well as credit card. Man, look through this, you see, you see Russia. I'm sorry. It was an accident. I was on the high street. It was right. What's his first man?
Starting point is 00:37:16 William, that's him! Man, shut the fuck up! I sure did. You got the wrong man, right playing, wrong man. But everything I did, I embraced it. I never ran from it. I tell my fuck it is what it is. Now, let me ask you this, though,
Starting point is 00:37:36 because you know, Def Jam opened up a whole lot of street money for the urban side of comedy, bro. Absolutely, absolutely. What was it like being in the middle of what they call? the black comedy boom no no it was amazing because it took me a long time to get in the game that way because then you had gatekeepers everybody knew i was funnier than them everybody knew i was funny but because they got the name i couldn't get on because everybody was like you know you steal the spotlight so i have to put money behind a tour to get money that way
Starting point is 00:38:13 or have a promoter book me and tell them, don't tell the motherfuckers I'm on the show. I remember being in Philly. D.C. Carey, all of them was on the show. And I'm out there tearing the motherfucker up. And the light after 10 minutes, they blink in the light because the motherfuckers said, I had the crowd laughing so hard that the motherfuckers hurt in the back.
Starting point is 00:38:39 And they didn't get that nigga to light. That's it. I had to deal with that shit. They didn't come up one of that. Yeah. Get a nigga to light. Right. Get a nigga to light.
Starting point is 00:38:46 Them niggas. You get the rocking that bitch. I'm not saying D.C. Kerry did it. But them niggas was, uh, and I know they sit today and watch me and go, how the fuck. The fuck. The fuck. The t.k.
Starting point is 00:39:01 The t.k. This is four generations. For 40 years. Decade. I mean, you know what I mean. Four decades. And them. That's ain't working the way I'm working.
Starting point is 00:39:17 Not even close. And I'm booking my own shit. I don't have no agent. I have to stay up two, three o'clock in the morning, make sure I deal with Paris, make sure I do it with Brussels, Antwerg, Belgium. Like, I booked this shit all over the motherfucker world. And I get all the money.
Starting point is 00:39:34 That's why I try to teach comics. You know, comics getting 75, 80%, fuck that. I get 90, and it ain't no motherfucked deal. That would be the perfect time to go ahead and tell them. Mm-hmm. Welcome back to the 85 South Show. Yes, indeed.
Starting point is 00:39:52 We always talk big shit on the 85 South Show, but today we're talking even bigger shit. Big and shit. Yeah, man, he finally then came back. He did come do our shit when we was in the beginning phase of the 85 South Show. Now for him to come back and see us living in luxury, man, with our own studio, camera's big lights. You know we're doing big, man. Though, I'm just glad that you saw the vision.
Starting point is 00:40:17 We got a DJ, nigga. And you came through and you, now you are here fucking with us on the tour. That's your big, we got a TV. We said that we was going to sit down and chop it up because, man, we still ain't talked about New Jersey Drive. We still ain't talked about baller blocking. We still ain't talked about your philosophies on life
Starting point is 00:40:34 and things of that nature, man. We got none other than that nigger. Who? Tea to the motherfucking case. That's it. Now look at her. Man, you always have been known to come up with some shit, bro. You got a joke that has turned into a philosophy.
Starting point is 00:40:56 Who raised you? Yes. I didn't know that was going to do what it did. It started because I was with something that this, listen to me. I've seen y'all and y'all dated some beautiful women. I've seen it in my, you know, and this is that I've been doing before y'all was born. But as you get older, it's not about the fat ass or beauty anymore. So what's the character of the woman and the substance of the female?
Starting point is 00:41:20 I meet this girl in L.A. digger the bitch is so motherfuck fine. And I got to travel with me a couple of days, you know. But I was disappointed in her character and how she's thinking, how she moved. And one day I said, who raised you? I said, I needed to meet your parents. Because I wanted to know who the fuck sent you into this world unprepared. And the rest is history. But now, Who Raise You takes on a whole bigger element because it actually comes down to Who Raised You,
Starting point is 00:41:55 how you act, how you move, what you're taught in this world, you know. So I'm glad that I didn't see that coming. I didn't see that coming. But I'm glad that it's something that I came up with and it stuck with the world. Who raised you? You talk a lot about the people that you put on. And, I mean, it's some names. the yells, all of that good.
Starting point is 00:42:19 What is it that you look for or that you saw in these people? Was it any specific characteristic when you saw somebody that made you say him or her? Here's the best. That's a great question. The night that I bought micups to Atlanta, it was another gentleman standing right next time they gnawed. Rest and peace, Nile host. For sure, for sure. They was both standing together.
Starting point is 00:42:44 And no, I was just as funny. And I was talking to him. And when I said, come to New York, Mike was the first one to say, I'm coming. No, I didn't say anything. Mike said, I'm coming. I hooked it up with my team. And I said, he's coming.
Starting point is 00:43:06 And boom, Mike came up. I got him on death jam. I got him in all the clubs because me and Tina was real tight. And everything is about relationships. I said, Tina got this young kid. And she said, okay, T.K., we're going to take care of them. And then Mike just paid the way
Starting point is 00:43:20 He was doing his thing, doing his thing And the rest of his history When I saw D.L, I had never saw him Tell a joke. I just understood his character I had discernment. It was just something about. He said, you know, I've been watching
Starting point is 00:43:33 I want to do stand-up comedy. And I said, yo, come on. I took him. And maybe in a year he was hosting my clubs. When I saw Gawry, Gaffrey opened up for me at Old Jokes Aside in Chicago. and I was late because I was hustling.
Starting point is 00:43:50 So we was counting money all night. So we got there. Like, I wasn't too late. He just had an extra minute. So I got there and the place was packed. And I'm in the back and I'm watching Godfrey. I said, this is a corny motherfucker? Is that what I said?
Starting point is 00:44:04 And we got to stay after my shirt. I said, yo, you need to come to you? I said, you're a corny motherfucker? I said, but the world going to love you. A week later, niggas are in a U-Haul truck driving to New York City. And I got him an apartment with, what's the actress that play all the African roles. Not Viola Davis.
Starting point is 00:44:23 Viola Davis. He had a department, this was big. They had an apartment in Harlem at Viola Davis. Damn. Mm-hmm. Well, you're like the Avaun Clark, little goddamn comedy guy in the mix. Yeah, and then by 1991, I had Gopry doing the, he was a spokesperson on the seven-up commercials. Seven-up.
Starting point is 00:44:43 Mm-hmm. I want to even belong. That's crazy. You weren't? 92. Damn. Now you didn't, let's talk about the movie career, man. You parolated.
Starting point is 00:44:54 You went from telling jokes on the stage to actually acting in movies, man. You did ball of blocking with cash with me. New Jersey's draft, played one of the big brothers on them, man. Being from New Jersey, what was that look like, bro? Just from being from Jersey, then, this is one of the biggest movies to come out of there with New Jersey actually in the title. Well, the thing about it was. about me, I never, it's crazy, because I used to do BET Comic View and all these things. What season of Comic View did you did? It was an early one. I did all of them. Yeah, I did all. What was the first one? I had no idea, but I did all of them. But the reason I'm bringing this up and bringing it back, I never really cared about the TV movie game. For real? Never cared about it. My mother should get mad at me because she would be home watching TV and say, why you ain't called me and tell me that she was going to be on? I got the check already.
Starting point is 00:45:47 I don't care, but that's how my mind was. I didn't care. And then when I studied, like, pay attention to the acting actor. When I do panels, I try to discourage people for being an actor and the actors. Why would you do that? Let me tell you why. Because I believe I don't like other people to control your future. And the reason I say that when you look at TV and film, especially if I told you right now,
Starting point is 00:46:17 go do her a paper on a black actor and black actors in Hollywood you will come back with a story that will be very discouraging what I try to teach people to go to school get a skill you control your own life because acting you're competing against everybody because it black when you're black is even more rough because they're all going to put us on the same role and whoever the casting director is that she likes one more, that person got the job. And that's going to create the wind. Now watch this. The illusion in life is when you see people on TV, you think they rich. And then you see a lot of stars. They're working. No, they broke. They broke. But they're working. Yeah. It's a difference between working and broke. You understand
Starting point is 00:47:05 what I'm saying? I get it. Because my goal is how, it's not how much money you make, it's how much money you keep. And what do you have when you leave this world? A lot of people don't have insurance. So they, so they got to have go from me they a lot of people got going to a shelter because they don't have the proper they wasn't prepared for elderly being elder that depends on your daughter or your son to wipe your ass to take care of you I want when I touched the world people listen to me I want to prepare you for something that you don't see yet you know my my analogy is can you see down the field what is down the field most athletes average average
Starting point is 00:47:45 Comedians average basketball players average football players only see what's around them and put you up on game Joe Montana Tom Brady saw the stadium They didn't see the field there was a championship game between San Francisco 49ers and This is Joe Montana was playing and Dallas Cowboys and they was losing and then in the the huddle, Joe Montana came in the huddle and said, hey guys, did you see John Candy in the stands? Championship games, motherfuckers, sees everybody in the stadium. When I'm on stage, some convenience only see the first two rows. I see who's walking up on the exit row. I see the cop in the back.
Starting point is 00:48:45 I see the security person telling that person to move. I see the usher telling the people to move their seats, that you're in the wrong seat, can you see the whole venue? That's when you know you on top of your game. You've got to see everything, not just a small spot.
Starting point is 00:49:04 When you get a ton of vision and if you have never felt it yet, you will one day. That's when you know you have arrived. When everything opens up and you see everything in the motherfucker's stadium, unbelievable feeling. Hard Radio is throwing it back.
Starting point is 00:49:25 20s, the decade. To the days of huge hits. And unforgettable albums. A nonstop stream of the biggest and best. Drake, Rihanna, Beyonce, Katie Gaga, the weekend. And more. All your decade defining favorites all in one place. Hi, it's Katie Perry.
Starting point is 00:49:42 Hey, it's Bruno Mars. This is Kesha. Find 2010's The Decade on the free IHeart Radio app. Preset the station so it's always one tap away. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news?
Starting point is 00:49:56 Huge news. we created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend.
Starting point is 00:50:09 But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.
Starting point is 00:50:32 We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.
Starting point is 00:50:52 Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:51:22 Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva, actress, mother, lover, and a Gen X woman walking through life one hot flash and hormonal crying jag at a time. You ladies know what I mean. I'll bet you a perimenopausal chin here you do. So let's talk about it. Join me on my new podcast. How hard can it be with Deanna Maria Riva, where I call on my Gen X squads from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate midlife's most fantastic BS. All of a sudden, I'd had hanginess happening on my own. I was like, what the hell is that?
Starting point is 00:51:52 was married when I had her, so I didn't even consider how empty that nest was going to be. Mood swings, night sweats, fupas, sex drive. Wait, what sex? Dating at 45. How hard can it be? How can it be? Getting naked at 50 with the new guy. That one's kind of hard, no? Well, that's lighting. They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure going to try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears, or tears of laughter, and dive into it, unfiltered and unbothered and ask, how hard can it be? I cannot believe I'm about to say this out loud in public. Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Diana Maria Riva as part of my Cultura podcast network available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That's like I'm on this tour and I see it.
Starting point is 00:52:33 I want to get loose so motherfuckinck-bad because I'm used to doing the rap stuff, you know? And I remember Jay-Z and all of us on the Hard Knock Life tour. And what blew everybody away was when we got to L.A., Great Street Crips, Bloods had the first. 19 rows and I had them niggas in the palm of my motherfucker hand and that blew their mind They's like how to fuck this neck do all this shit and that's the fact I had on the world You know so it shows like this to get to now get to share my stories and tell people things that they never knew You know because it's a history that would have been swept under the rug if we would have never discussed it Like you been around man and just listening to you you didn't been all through the Americas
Starting point is 00:53:26 and you give a lot of game. What city would you say you got the most game out of them and all of the travels that you've been to? I would say all of them because I had hustlers in Chicago, you know, Carl Patillo, Basso-Alone. I'm talking about, I record in 1991, this is for cash and all this shit. So my niggas had cash and my man, um, Bas-Salone. with gambling in Vegas.
Starting point is 00:53:51 Boss Salon had so much bread, he's shooting crap. 100,000 of pop, losing. Shit. Listen to me, losing. The Nick called his crew, this is we here to do Western Union. Put that motherfucker money, blah, blah, blah, blah. Send him more money in through Western Union. Then you got Eric Bond Zip out of New York. You know, Zip was connected with the Puffy Cone's case.
Starting point is 00:54:20 Puffy Cones case. But Zip was my crew before Puffy, JZ, all the more kids when we was coming up. So I told people this story all the time where they want to believe it or not. See, we used to throw the cold parties in New York City, mint coats and the Morse and all that stuff. And Jay-Z, the Puffy Cones used to see how we live. So on my 35th birthday party, I hired Jay-Z to open up, do my birthday party. He was late.
Starting point is 00:54:50 And I told my guy, they said, TK.K. here. And I was, you know, it's cocky. I said, fuck the niggas. They late, dog. I'm talking to my niggas and shit. So Frankie B, shout out to Frankie B. He gives it my answer, and I said, Nite. Let's this nigger perform.
Starting point is 00:55:06 And Jay Z went up in the motherfuckin' song. Dead presidents? The motherfuckinian lost their mind. And after the show, I took a knot, took the rubber band off, and I gave from 15, 100 of bills. He told him thinking. When a nigga blew up, they took me on the Hard Knock Life Tour.
Starting point is 00:55:28 And then on the Hard Knock Life Tour, we get to New Orleans. A young man walks up on me because he saw me in New Jersey dry. And he said, yo, what up, Baldwin? He said, my name was Baby from Cassidy Millionaire. He said, my artist got this song out right now called Back That Ass Up. And we're about to do this movie called Ball Block. I want you to play the cop. hit it off, they flew me down, and this man, baby didn't give a fuck about money.
Starting point is 00:55:52 You know, this thing is carry millions with him in the, you know. So we're in the trail, he's coming with this bag of money. Just how much I owe you order? I said, the whole motherfucker bag, man. Fuck, fuck that, give me your credit card. Exactly. So this is before Bentley's, this is when Bentley's first came out. So Baby took care of this crew, the whole city, they're hanging with us.
Starting point is 00:56:23 And we go down on Bourbon Street and Baby's taking everybody shopping. And me and on Ron Burry, you ever know Ron Burry does production? He's on all, every tour that goes out on this motherfucker. And we stop at the Bentley car dealership. And Baby bought like five motherfuckinthes at one time because we got a concert that night at House of Blues. So me and Ron Burr standing next day. He said, yo, don't look in how you like a kid? Don't look at you.
Starting point is 00:56:50 You think the nigga might buy you a car because he's feeling a certain way. He said, niggins, don't look at him. He might get it something. No, we didn't get it, though, but it still was funny. And we drove out that motherfucking parking lot brand new, motherfuckinckin'bettling down
Starting point is 00:57:06 to House of Blues in New Orleans. How was it shooting a move in the middle of the projects? That was talking about. It ain't minimal. Yeah. They don't. I know, but I'm talking about. Doing that time, though.
Starting point is 00:57:18 During that time, it was awesome. Because when I did that sing, when I was cursing everybody out, A.J. Johnson, baby, everybody was there. He's a white nigger. Yeah. And the people came out to watch it. To watch it. Right.
Starting point is 00:57:38 It was like a small stadium. Right, right. Oh, that shit was magical. I'm like a guard in New Orleans to this day. I was walking down the street one day in New Orleans and the homeless ladies sitting down. And we made eye contact. I walked around the corner.
Starting point is 00:57:55 She started running. She said, excuse me, excuse me. I said, yeah, she said, can I have your autograph? I said, who do you think I am? She said, ball of blocking. It was classic, dog. Man, rich history, my name. Rich history.
Starting point is 00:58:13 Show for shows. Like you have a favorite, thing that you've done thus far, like, that has been most gratifying to you, of all the things that you've done, if you had to say, man, this has been the most beneficial, the most gratifying, would you be able to say what that was? Yeah, I could say that. Just found that out this week, believe it or that. Me and Mike Apps was sitting in the dressing room talking, and he has paid the way for a lot of
Starting point is 00:58:39 friends who got out of prison, and he has programs in Indianapolis that he does to help people and I think about me changing his life changed so many other people's lives and that's a domino effect and I sat there and I was I really had to thank God because you don't see the surface of things right you don't know how deep this goes
Starting point is 00:59:02 and that when I left I was like tea you have no idea how deep you have changed people's lives and when I see these guys he buying getting attorneys for their friends because he got he has the money the means to help him and that comes down to having money you could have love for somebody but your money right you can't you can't save you can't do no
Starting point is 00:59:25 when he changed their lives and it felt good even with tc you know tc worked for me before he worked for mike shout out to tc yeah yeah tc was my guy and i put them two together hey you remember your first piece of big legal money I have money Not legal And that shit you got off Yeah Yeah
Starting point is 00:59:49 Yeah Your name on your check Yeah Yeah That's your shit That's your shit That's your shit Ah
Starting point is 00:59:58 No no no I was getting money Like around 17 Like about 17 Comedy money Yeah But see You ain't
Starting point is 01:00:08 Take it serious at first You didn't understand It Because your swag Got you In the places Like you said It got you
Starting point is 01:00:14 the place before everything, everything happened. But then that kind of opened up the door for you to be a comic. You see what I'm saying? So we're kind of like, alright, what is this? Since this is in front of me. Because I was getting money and it was good money and then I was funny. Like I was funny. Like I was funny.
Starting point is 01:00:29 And then I remember we did Madrasn Square Garden for Hot 97. It had to be the greatest show I've ever did in my motherfucker life. Explain it. Because this one we had 30 minutes. And when I talk about rocked that motherfucker's like, We got bombed that when I said, I said, because that's the type of nigger, I am T to the motherfucking gay. And I turned around, I put my hand in the air,
Starting point is 01:00:56 and I felt the energy from the crowd pushed me on the stage. It was a standing ovation, yo. And Michael Carter had to come on right after that. He's a bad motherfucker. He's a bad. He's a bad. His whole thing was, give it up for tea to the motherfucking K. It was crazy story.
Starting point is 01:01:13 But that night, Madiserswood Garden. insane. Who was all on that show? I don't remember who's on that, but I'm quite sure with some heavy hitters. What year was it? What year was it? This had to be like 96, 97. Wow.
Starting point is 01:01:27 Yeah, 96, 97. God. Man, you talk a lot about, you know, relationships over the years and, you know, just give a lot of game, man. My question to you is, what's one of the biggest mistakes you think men making relationships at 66 years? That's a good. Great fucking question, dog. Men lie to themselves. Men think they want to be in a relationship,
Starting point is 01:01:52 but still fuck around. Men still believe it's a game. Think being a player is really supply shit, but it's really not. As you can only realize, it's just really a waste of my fucking time. At the end of the day, it's about that. It's about health.
Starting point is 01:02:11 It's about health. Peace of mind and managing your dick. Yeah What's it Dick management Yeah I didn't got poor dick management
Starting point is 01:02:32 You said loose And you got it And what I'm trying That's fucked on everything And what I tell you young guys You listen to me very carefully And it's hard because I was I used to be a hole like you
Starting point is 01:02:40 I ain't a hole I ain't a hole Why he's like a hole like us You know, I was going to be a hard. You know, because as a youngster, when you got good dick, you want to share it. You got to get it. Yeah, when you got good dick when you're young, you come here. Come here.
Starting point is 01:03:06 I want to show you something. Don't do that. Yeah. Right. You know, come here. So now you want to teach men to value themselves. know so much that always tell guys every man think they got a fine bitch until you realize she can't put a name on nothing.
Starting point is 01:03:31 Hmm. See? And when women with low IQ hear what I'm saying, they say, I'm not going to put my name on nothing for a man. Because she can't. It's not about that she can't. People with low IQ thinking that's what I'm saying. But if you understand my way of thinking, it's a process.
Starting point is 01:03:55 What I'm saying is men want to know that their girl is an asset, not liability. Bottom line. And when you realize your girl is an asset, you do things for. I tell guys all the time, find somebody who don't need to be taking care of, and then you take care of them. Because it's nice to know that a girl can, she doesn't have to pay for everything all the time, but as good as she can contribute because liability is a motherfucker.
Starting point is 01:04:25 And if you got it and you fall off and your girl is just beautiful, she don't know how I work a computer, she can't get no bread, and we want to motivate women to bring something to the table. We want women. It's really a lot of women
Starting point is 01:04:42 that got their shit together just never talked about. It's because the women who got their shit together are never where we are. They're getting ready for work. And they ain't somewhere complaining about shit. Exactly. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:04:55 You know, when I went from the average women to successful women, when I say I'm going to pay for your ticket, a successful woman always cursed me out. Fuck you mean you pay for my ticket. It needs you to pay for my mom. I pay for my own ticket. Like, what are you talking about? Like, that's so impressive.
Starting point is 01:05:11 I need their receipt on my credit card. And it's women out there that do that, brother. I'm telling you. Now, you go for what you want. You go with what you like, but. We want women to elevate their game too to be an asset to the guy. That's what I've been fucking up at. What?
Starting point is 01:05:29 I've been fucking with who I like. Yeah, that's who like you. Yeah, that's a real thing. Yeah, it's just way, way, life so much easier. Yeah, our standards be too low. We see a motherfucker, we're like, come here, let me hit me. I was what I'm saying. My standards was too high.
Starting point is 01:05:43 You had to drop him? I had to lower them. Why? You want one gig, he didn't hear what I said. He didn't hear what I said. I said, I've been fucking with who like me. with who I like I should have been fucking with who like me
Starting point is 01:05:53 Exactly It's a bit It's way easier when she like you Oh my God You hit there on the nail When you like her All you doing is work Oh yeah
Starting point is 01:06:02 That's a whole jump I said you had to load Your stand up Yeah I thought you weren't getting there Because your standard What I like ain't about shit Right
Starting point is 01:06:11 I'm looking at all kind of shit That don't mean shit That's why I didn't waste So much time Fucking with what I like Right That shit ain't hit no shit. I haven't been lucky, man.
Starting point is 01:06:24 You know, I never forget my uncle told me a long time ago, man, treat your dick like you treat your Social Security number. So true. Because you, you're motherfuckold. And I wish I had uncle like that. See, I learned the hard way. I'm not saying that my dad was in there. My dad died when I was 14.
Starting point is 01:06:38 I didn't get killed when I was a baby. Yeah. So we had, and everybody in my family was dead. My dad died at 35. My old brother died at 35. at 35, the police murdered my brother. Then my youngest brother died of aneurys and my mom died. Nobody lived to be in the late 50s.
Starting point is 01:06:56 Everybody died young. So everything I did, I learned through trial and error, you know. But when I sit here today and realize everything I went through good and bad, it made me who I am today. And I wouldn't change it for nothing in the world. My dad told me don't leave your woman, let her leave you. Oh, yeah, it's good to have... Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:18 But what if she don't want to leave, but you're trying to get rid of? Oh, she will eventually. Yeah, eventually. But then I had to go, I had to experience it before I understood it, though. Right. Mm-hmm. At the end of the day, you just want to be happy if you can. Is it?
Starting point is 01:07:34 And peace of mind. Yeah. Man, that shit is. Can't explain it, fam. You can, I feel like you've got to go through a relationship where you... Sometimes, yeah. Where you fucked up. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:44 You don't have to go through. You can learn. So you can learn. You can learn. I'm not living one that you fucked up. So you can know the difference. Yeah. This isn't just happening to me.
Starting point is 01:07:53 Because I'll never get it when I was having problems. And me and Andre 3000 was going through their port in LA. And I was telling him like how we talk it. And he listened to me and he said, TK., he said, you're going to have to choose which pain you want. And damn, and you think it's going to be bad. And then when you make the decision and it goes like, wow, this shit was easy to the motherfucker, I got you did this long time ago.
Starting point is 01:08:19 go. No. But we all, everybody in this room is going to have their own journey. Everybody thinks the way they think, right? And to the audience who are watching us, the goal is think the way you think, but just say to yourself every now and then. How about that way? You got to have grace. I want to ask you got to have grace. You say you're 66. It ain't every day we get to talk to some elders like that, right? How does TK bounce back? Explain. When life, when life start life, as a black man, how you bounce back? How you deal with, like you said, the shit that money came back, the struggles, the, the, the heart shit, the anxiety, those moments where you don't know. That next move when you put in that position, how you bounce back?
Starting point is 01:09:08 How you deal with this? Okay, that's a good question. I would say that everybody, if everybody could have somebody that can bring out the true gift for them, I would say it was a man named David Jones, my question. track coach. And we talked not too long ago. We was talking about some of the great applicants on my team. And these guys had more talented than me. I was just more determined. And see, even when I caught cases, even when I was on probation, I still was a turn. I remember being in Rikers Island and listening to the radio and did the cash money tour. It was about to go on tour in two weeks. And I was the host. And I knew I had a court date.
Starting point is 01:09:54 Prior to getting to go on that tour and I had my attorneys was you don't think I was in the Sopranos Tony Capitallo and Frank the dollar Googled him bad as 30 dollar long island everybody and they was representing me and don't laugh at me because I'm about to bring up another case on a Puffy case back in 1998 because I had this some shit with Puffy and My attorney came late, they put me in Rikers Island, and my determination was just so, it was bigger than me. I mean, think about them, 66. Like, I'm moving like a motherfucker, 29, duh. I'm not even tired.
Starting point is 01:10:42 Like, I'm just motivated. Like, I just want to do more. To me, I don't think I've done enough. Like, I'm, like, I'm sitting around talking about, what the fuck else can I do? I just said I did some shit with Puppie and just left that on the table
Starting point is 01:11:01 right there, yeah, yeah, yeah. You never heard about the Puffy story? Yeah. But, I mean, I don't know from nobody that was there. Oh, no, here you go. No, no, there you go. No, no. So here's the thing.
Starting point is 01:11:13 Puffy was a great guy, and I saw one of the worst things that happened to him, Shug Knight, Aunt Kelly. I rocked it all of them, all of them, the association, is mine and they'll know that they I say this because I would say it to them when kids get money young they create ego when you get money later it creates character
Starting point is 01:11:36 they moved off ego and it fucked with them bad vision treating women with disrespect again that comes back when my street crew was coming out see we was different we bought women condos we bought women cars we made sure women were straight We treated them good. But when the rappers came in, that's when the drug game was on his way out. And the rappers were getting that kind of money. But what they didn't understand,
Starting point is 01:12:02 they didn't have the mouthpiece to keep a bitch. It was buying. So taking a woman to Shendell, spending $5,000, but when the bitch fucked with a nigga that worked at FedEx, the niggas spent all the money mad and motherfuck and he won't kill everybody. Because no one gave them game. When I look at Tiger Woods, his father taught him a great sport, but he didn't sit him down and taught him life.
Starting point is 01:12:29 To me, when I look at Tiger Woods from my, I think Tiger Woods wants to kill him, so he wants to sabotage his life. Tiger in pain, man. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He wants to sabotage his life. I don't think you want to sabotage his life. I just think that he is dealing with addiction, first and foremost, and won't nobody acknowledge that part. I got fucked up From playing all that golf
Starting point is 01:12:53 He's back and shit all broke He got riding his back And he didn't have two or three He didn't have two or three wrecks He addicted to them pain bill But here's my take on it The day he got caught cheating And that woman came and took that
Starting point is 01:13:09 Muffucking golf and broke them windows Out of his car And 90 bitches Was testifying that they was fucking with Tiger I think the pressure broke that nigga because as a real chief He went from two pills
Starting point is 01:13:22 to three Yeah, he's supposed to say Fuck you hoes And go get And go get a time And more Right That's why he's supposed to move
Starting point is 01:13:28 But it broke him You know He fucked up He fucked up If he would have Had some fat white women He would have got away with it I don't believe
Starting point is 01:13:36 But right when you talked about No No No No why's what I'm about to say White women Fuck with anybody And they're loyal
Starting point is 01:13:43 Yeah And not just that We was Society was about To change Yeah the society that when you take the puppet case
Starting point is 01:13:51 and Cassidy comes to court after getting 31 million dollars she still still still show the court I come from wherever we gave a bitch 9,000 leave the country, bitch still gone she's still gone up nine grand
Starting point is 01:14:07 31 million you still come to court I know that nigga was heated when she came through that door I could imagine but that's the thing like As 66 years old, man, most black men don't live to see healthy at least. So true. 55 years old.
Starting point is 01:14:26 Right. 47. Right. You know, 50 years old is on blood pressure medicine. All different types of pills. You know what I mean? So to sit here at 66 years old and still be moving. Same game.
Starting point is 01:14:40 Move and still be a sound mind. Yes. Like, what do you think is the best decision that you made? to put you in this health-wise, not anything, not money, not anything. What's the best decision you made to keep you looking the way you look and feel in the way you feel is 66 years old?
Starting point is 01:14:57 Being single, I work out almost every day. I go to doctor every three months just to know my numbers. I try to teach people to know their numbers, you know. You should know your blood pressure, should know what your cholesterol situation is, you know all these things. And when, if you go every three or four months, it can give you
Starting point is 01:15:19 train your brain to be prepared if something's off just a little you've worked off like an athlete that you want to win this championship you put the work in, eat good so that when you go back to that doctor your numbers are where they need to be
Starting point is 01:15:32 and that will be my advice to teach young men to start doing because let's take Tommy from Martin he died of aneurism but when you think of aneurysm they could brain that's where people are
Starting point is 01:15:47 He's aneurysm happen in his stomach and people don't know that exactly He died of an aneurysm in his stomach so I put people up a game about going to this thing called lifeline screening It's like a hundred sixty nine dollars and lifeline screening they put you put these machines on you like taking your car to get it checked out Yeah, and they check your blood they check a view a candidate for a stroke and I go there once a year like I remember the shit and everything comes back normal, everything is already all right. Yeah. And that's the stuff that our black men and women should start going at a young age to know your numbers, know of you a candidate for some.
Starting point is 01:16:27 And Google it, Lifeline screening. Yeah. And you'll see it. It's an amazing situation that they don't share with the public. There's some shit you've got to find out, which is crazy. But that's why we have these type of platforms to teach. Yeah. You know, to teach.
Starting point is 01:16:44 And these are things I've learned in life. And I put a lot of people up on it. And then I was doing this program in Ohio getting, called the Walk, and they gave a free exams to check people. So one day I'm in the mall. I tell the gentleman to come. He comes the next day. He has to go.
Starting point is 01:17:02 They rush him to the hospital. Rushing to the hospital. Say's his life. He still comes to every comedy show that I do in Columbus, Ohio, every Thanksgiving. Shows that he lost weight, looks good. It's like, motherfucker look better to me. And boom, he said, always say thank you for saving my life. His name is Michael.
Starting point is 01:17:19 Shout out to Mike. Man, that's amazing. Take your help seriously. Go see the doctor. Yeah. Go get you a liquid IV. Tell him put some vitamins in that shit. That shit ain't real.
Starting point is 01:17:32 No, that shit is real. That liquid IV shit ain't real. That ain't nothing but just water. No, it ain't. I didn't tried them. I don't feel no different. I had a great person in my life who owned one of them type of things. That shit real.
Starting point is 01:17:44 I'm not going to say yes or no, but I actually, when I went up to sort of prices for some vitamins and other kinds of shit, so I'd go right over here and buy my own my fuck buy it. I got a whole subscription. They might as get some fruit. Right. First of all, if the hospital, how do you get them bags in the hospital and say they ain't got this much? Nobody cares. Just vitamins and saline, my boy.
Starting point is 01:18:02 Don't overthink it. The hospital ain't got that much. I don't seem to mix my shit up. I was like, yep. And that's different. Give me that yellow shit. Yeah, if you see it like that, it's good. But even if we talk about the hospital game, that's a lot.
Starting point is 01:18:13 That's why health is important. Right, yeah. Because once you get in there, I tell people all the time, once you go in the hospital, it's a 50-50 shot you're coming out. Right. And if you've got insurance, they're going to milk you. They're going to go crazy. Listen, you're going there for a cold.
Starting point is 01:18:32 They'll keep it two weeks just to tell you in two weeks you had a cold. Yeah. This is how fucked up the game is. This is about this money. It's real fucked up, sir. I started back taking Flintstone by them. Yeah, whatever you got to do. It's that bad.
Starting point is 01:18:47 Purple was lit. And people don't understand how fucked up that game is. But if you take care of your health. Right. You got to worry about that. You ain't got to worry about it. See, if you work hard to get yourself, some type of insurance. Yeah, too.
Starting point is 01:19:00 Something, because you don't want to be in that welfare box they put you when you leave here. You know, I tell people all the time, it's not how well you live, it's not how well you die. How well you die? I think people have money their whole life. And because they wasn't prepared, they lead this motherfucker fucked up. It hurts your feelings. Celebrate your pride with the station that's as bold, vibrant, and diverse as you are. I-Hart Pride Canada.
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Starting point is 01:20:02 We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.
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Starting point is 01:21:29 This is my best friend Janet. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip, just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast we're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. with all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar.
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Starting point is 01:22:23 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That's the best feeling in the world when you go to the doctor and they bring you that, they show you that insurance got you straight. You owe them people nine cents. Isn't that a beautiful film? Yeah. Because you don't, like you said,
Starting point is 01:22:39 that shit can, you can think you healthy. Yeah. I remember my, I'm fucking damn that went blind that one time? Yeah. Wow. Man, I woke up. Remember had that show in Seattle? Uh-huh. And I woke up, my motherfucking eyes was closed, man. I couldn't see shit.
Starting point is 01:22:53 I had a badass eye infection. And both eyes just out of nowhere. I had to go see the specialist and every fucking thing. I went to the urgent care and they told me to go to the emergency room. I went to the emergency room and said, you got to go see the specialist. Right. Man, they had to put this dye shit all in my eyes. In Seattle?
Starting point is 01:23:11 No, here. I'm thinking I got to go to like a clinic or something shit. Man, the specialist I had to go. to go see her fucking linenscraft. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They then brought me in the back a little smart-ass Asian girls. Young as hell.
Starting point is 01:23:23 She just put these yellow shit out in my eyes, man. It was crazy. That's the thing with that blood pressure. You remember we was at the hotel, nigger, we sitting outside one day just... I say that nigga life, bro. And I just, out of nowhere, just start sweating like a motherfucker. I'm talking about, like...
Starting point is 01:23:39 A pool of sweat. A pool or sweat. I'm like, bro, what the fuck going on with me? Man, this nigga went and got a cold rag, and I put the shit on my head and shit. I'm like, man, what's going on? I don't know what's going on. Come to find out, blood pressure highs, sky high.
Starting point is 01:23:51 Damn, Joe. You know what I mean? And it's- But we were sitting there just having a regular conversation, bro, and like, probably in like a minute, I looked. This nigga was completely wet. I was like, bro, what the fuck going on? All blood pressure.
Starting point is 01:24:04 So it took me to go and find that out, you know what I mean, to, like, go through the process all last year, like, was just me going through the process of reprogramming everything. Yes, sir. What was causing me. Everything. I had to redo everything. I had to stop eating shit I love. Right.
Starting point is 01:24:21 And people don't understand, like, the shit that you put in your body is probably what we are most addicted to because we have the most access to it. Like, you've got the most access to be able to. Even if you got a couple of dollars, the first thing you're going to do is that I'm going to eat good. I agree. But eating good is most of the time be bad for you. You know what I'm saying? But the hard part of shaking all of that sugar and salt and all that shit, shit, like, I mean,
Starting point is 01:24:45 I ain't never been on. hard drugs in my life, but I could imagine that's what it feels like, the detox off of that shit. And now, looking back on it, it's like, man, all of the things that really put it in perspective for me is all of this shit I've made it through in life, all of the loss, all of the people out of the laws, all of the different situations.
Starting point is 01:25:01 I'm really about to check out about some chicken wings. Ain't that some shit? Like, a nigga, about to die over some wings. You can't lead the wings alone. And it happens every day. And people miss it. Motherfuckers die every day with the smallest shit, yo, because they don't respect their health. People who were drinking alcohol as a youngster think it is all the game.
Starting point is 01:25:26 Dick don't work because of the alcohol. High blood pressure. Shit is just fucked up and they don't know what to do. So because they can't fuck, they blame their girl. Oh, bitch is you, but it's your health. Young niggies who can't, Dick can't get up. Young niggins. Because they drink and they think it's a game.
Starting point is 01:25:43 They think it's a Motherfucking game B bottles buying bottles in the club Drinking them straight down Like it's not going to have an effect on you Every person I knew that was on drugs Crack or whatever And they stopped
Starting point is 01:25:56 They never made it to 60 So they should have kept smoking No Oh Even when you stop Your body's already damaged Yeah well And you probably at 66
Starting point is 01:26:11 Have probably seen Many of your friends I've seen people try to do right. And then I see years later, it was too late. So me putting two and two together, I said, people got to start young. It's not something you change up at 40, 45, because if you went that long, the damage is done. You got to start this shit as a youngster. I don't see people just give up.
Starting point is 01:26:39 Or give up. Like give up on getting clean? Yeah. Not on, I'm getting clean on life. All for you. Like, I'm talking about... They're done. Just mentally decided that...
Starting point is 01:26:51 It's right. And at the end of the day... I ain't gonna be shit. Yeah, but at the end of the day... You can speak that shit over your life, though. We talk about motivating. And what I realize, 966, people just need money. So that's another...
Starting point is 01:27:02 They think they need money. They need money. No, they need money. Because when you have money, you can pay for your rent. You can have a nice bed. You can have a nice car. I'm not saying you've got to be... rich like this need to be financially literate that's the same thing it's
Starting point is 01:27:15 different now financial literate and have much different things financially meaning you have knowledge of money but you don't have money you got to have money because it builds a cover I read an article that um being broke is equivalent to high blood pressure and fucking heart attack worse than smoking cigarettes works to smoking cigarettes you got the so we want to put people how can we put money in people's pockets so I started this program called tkgovcomway.com is teach people how to be government contractors, right? And I tell people to watch the webinar
Starting point is 01:27:49 and see this is what you want to do. Because if you're on the computer all day, you're doing certain things, this is the thing for you. My friend Bolo and all of them out of Chicago put the one in the motherfuckerman, made over $600,000 less than six months. Now, people don't understand government contractors. They think they got so, they product. No, what people don't know is the government
Starting point is 01:28:10 Hires people to do things for them. Let's use this example. Let's say school starts and the government needs you to buy 10,000 pencils. You need 7,000 to get this, you know, but you don't have the 7,000. My company pays you the 7,000 because the profit on the pins is probably 100 grand. And this is the knowledge that most of our people don't have. And I tell people a time to get an idea of it, watch war dogs. Oh, hell, yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:46 See, war dogs was about government contract because they outbid certain people but made a lot of money. So what you're doing with TK.govcom.com, you're bidding. And I'm not a fan of Donald Trump. Let's make sure we clear when I say this. But Donald Trump put into the government for government contract and $1.7 trillion for next year. They need the people.
Starting point is 01:29:08 And I'm telling you, everybody needs. this room or whatever. Look at TKGovcomwark.com. If you could put the work in, if you really serious about, if you really like making motherfucking money, this is it. But see, a lot of people don't know what making money is. Like, a lot of people don't know, like, something that I always say is, it's a convenience for a lot of people to be broke because their only problem is getting some money. Okay. They don't know who they are. They don't know what, they want to do, they just know they need some money.
Starting point is 01:29:41 Yes. And once they get some money, then they realize all of the shit that's really wrong with them. So the actual pursuit of get money is what most people are on out here. That's me. That's why I ain't want to go get no help yet. Shut up. No, I'm crazy enough for the shit just might work. Like I ain't end dangerous or I ain't like sad.
Starting point is 01:30:02 I'm like crazy enough to actually believe in myself and like crazy enough to believe this shit will work. And money, I don't. I can see what you're saying. Yeah, I can see what you're saying. Money brings out the ego and you, and people just need to find a hustle. The idea of it is what most people have. The actual obtaining of it is something that we don't even, it's like, we don't understand that process.
Starting point is 01:30:25 So at your age and in all of the things that you've done in the game, what would you say is the most essential skill that you have to have to actually get some money? education or trade education and what like book knowledge or a plumbing from what I know now I wish I'd never sent my kids to college well because that trade shit is the most important thing you don't have to depend on no about school is only for people who have great memory it doesn't mean you that person's smarter than you just that person can remember stuff better than you but you could be more creative than that person
Starting point is 01:31:04 See, two different things. When Rockefeller created the Board of Education, he said he wanted workers, not thinkers. You see? So mostly everybody in this room was trained to think. You know what I mean? To work, not think. And when I go overseas and I see
Starting point is 01:31:23 black men and women speak six, seven fucking languages like, like any shit. When I go to Berlin and I went to see the Berlin Wall, I was over there, smoking. The guy who had some business. And me and my daughter went.
Starting point is 01:31:38 And then I also went to the Great Wall China six months later. So now I'm in Nairobi because my cousin owned me $16,000. He thought because he moved all that, motherfucker, I want to go come. That's a whole not a story. Go get your money back from a digger in Nairobi when you still got that white man credit card. Right. Let's make sure we click because he's a comedian. Let's make sure everybody right now.
Starting point is 01:32:03 We talk about 40-year different. We talk about when I'm 20-something years old, everybody. He's bringing back the loop of the joke, and I know people go, but I have to do this because social media, y'all clip shit up and had me looking fucked up, and I got grandkids, and I don't play when it comes with my grandchildren. So, no. So this happened when I was in my 20s, I'm 66 now. Let's go back to the story.
Starting point is 01:32:25 Now that we had our commercial break. So I get to Nairobi. My cousin's friend says. You know, I see you on social media, you're really giving the motherfucking channels. He said, have you been to Manim, Nigeria? I said, no, why? He said, I ain't even going to tell you. Just when you go there, you'll tell the world.
Starting point is 01:32:50 By the year later, I'm in Manin, Nigeria. I was in here an hour, and I saw what he was talking about. I don't share this to the world. They'll teach you here that it's the Great Wall of China. They tell you about the wall of Berlin, but did you know that there was a war called the Wall of Benin? Five times bigger than the Great Wall of Motherfucking China. And they never told us that shit. When I'm staying in Berlin, the hotel rooms, not Berlin, Antwerg, Belgium, they got black people all, you know how you go to hotels, there's nothing white people.
Starting point is 01:33:28 It's insane. realize that the Pope prays to a black Madonna when you realize that the Europeans changed the game and whitewashed everything you know what can you tell our people when I sit back and I in my years I've seen the world decline education how many women move even down to they looks in my day a flavor flavor could have never had a TV show that's a people all the time Anything in the bad guy, that. So when my jokes is, I love flavor flavor.
Starting point is 01:34:10 But let me use this as a bookmark. You're going to be like, damn, boy. Let me tell you why I'm used as a bookmark. When I saw them holes chasing flavor flavor on the TV set, because these motherfuckers on Los Angeles, a motherfuckerucking mind. That shit could have never happened way back when I was coming up.
Starting point is 01:34:28 When I saw the Kardashians blow up, I saw the level of education and common sense on the decline. When I read stuff all the time, I see that a lot of kids in the seventh grade are reading under a third grade reading level in this country, 70%. 70.
Starting point is 01:34:56 So what the fuck is the future like? Everybody playing around, I think it's a game. I see the world different. No. Men don't want to hold themselves accountable. I teach people trying to get an LLC, EIN, they think it's a motherfucker game. The reason why you don't have an LLC and an EIN because you would have been prepared for the PPP loans back in the day. But we're not taught that in school. See, when we graduate from high school, everybody should know how to do their own income tax. Everybody should have an LLC, a EIN, and have a small farm in their backyard. Because you have to depend on people for your food. So we go out here and we ask people to hire us for their job. When I see people go to get an Oscar and then black people get upset and say, oh, they should give more blacks awards. That's like coming into your house and tell you how you should change the paint in your home. That's their shit.
Starting point is 01:35:56 We don't want any motherfuckers that have a war show and we invite white people. Well, the niggas who ain't coming. Yeah. But that could have been different if we made it mandatory years ago. See, the Oscars is not the Oscars because it is what it is. Louis Vuittan, Gucci's, all this, because they've been around 100 years. They stand, they made a tradition. And over years, this is what you become.
Starting point is 01:36:21 It's consistency. It's repetitious. Exactly what it is. You just got to put the years in. People want to be famous overnight. Sometimes you've got to put the work in. See, I knew in the 90s about you guys, why I was what I was telling you.
Starting point is 01:36:40 I did a story once. I forgot what interview I said, the people that's going to make me famous are kids today. They said, what do you mean? I said, I don't know. What the fuck? I said, somebody's young. It's going to change my life.
Starting point is 01:36:52 Didn't know about social media. Didn't know about this is going to, these platforms are going to exist. And look what the fuck happened. Blas, Charlemagne, you guys, y'all, you guys, y'all 20 fucking years younger than me. I knew this. In the 90s, this shit was gonna pop.
Starting point is 01:37:08 In the 90s, but didn't know what it was. I didn't know social media. I just said, kids, it's children that's gonna help change. This shit has changed my life. I heard you just say something that's always unique to meet. You're a grandfather now. And one of the things that I always say is the cool part about saying grandparents,
Starting point is 01:37:28 you get to see your parents treat your kids the way they were supposed to treat you. Yes. So what are you doing with your grandchildren? that you should have did with your children? I'm doing the same motherfucker thing. I don't have enough time. But my son is a great son,
Starting point is 01:37:45 and he spends the time with the kids the way I wish I could have spent more time with him. So that's what I mean by sacrificing, right? And my life, can't speak for everybody else. My life, I had to sacrifice love, marriage, and family because I got to be that niggib, I got to go to London, I got to go. I got to be that guy,
Starting point is 01:38:09 if I got 40, 50,000 on a table in motherfucking Berlin, I got to go because, like I said, I don't have an agent. I didn't have a manager. I was doing everything myself. And I never wanted to call an agent to say to somebody booked me. To have your life in somebody's hands like that. I couldn't live like that.
Starting point is 01:38:27 No fucking way. So I applied the pressure, kept working, working, and I have relationships, you know. And to this day, right now, I'm booked to 2037. That's damn. That's damn. So you ever go on the Breakfast Club or Angela E. Say to them, when is TK coming back here?
Starting point is 01:38:54 They know the date, the actual day that I'm coming back on the show. I booked myself that far in advance. Look, man, we got you some cool shit. But I like fly shit. Yeah, we got you. Listen, you all coming along. The 7, 6, 78 years old, still teeth to the motherfucker. I'm wearing this.
Starting point is 01:39:17 You know I like hats, though. Hey, man. Let them know where they can find you at on social media, TK. We'll be here asking questions on the motherfucking name. No, we're going to, no, I've waited 10 years to be on this motherfucker. Yeah. And I called you 50 times and you just used to look at the number and never returned the phone call. Man, come on, now.
Starting point is 01:39:35 And I thought that was a fucking rude. I still got every number you ever called me from. I only called you for one number. I don't got the old one. No, my number been the same for over 30 years. Okay. You got to forget my old head. I was around for the internet.
Starting point is 01:39:47 Yeah, you damn sure will. You got the same number with the minutes on it? I still got, no, no, no. Shut up, man. Oh, you're talking to me the number 11 minute. Boy, we don't came a long way, boy. But the great thing, gentlemen, and let me give you flowers, like I said, all this started on 43rd in Crenshaw. Robin Harris, Michael Williams.
Starting point is 01:40:12 $20 a show. Okay, before we go, before we go, you got to give us an amazing story with Robin Harris and Michael Williams. You got to like, you're on the block with these guys during this time. Robin Williams, I mean, Robin Harris didn't like you. Yes, that's what they tried to say.
Starting point is 01:40:29 But it wasn't that Robert Harris didn't like me. He was a competitor. And when you're a competitor and you see a motherfucker, See, everybody likes you when you're not funny. When you start blowing up, you start getting enemies. And Robin, she's a nice guy. Right, right. And what I try to tell people, you can't defend a man that's dead.
Starting point is 01:40:51 Because I remember I saw something that a comedian without saying his name was saying that Robin Harris didn't like TK or he would beat people up because he was stealing his joke. Listen to me. That's cap. And by I would see my man going to talk to him. know that's the motherfucker lie I say right here. And the thing about that is, we talk about fighting. I only got, I only lost a fight.
Starting point is 01:41:14 The motherfucker stuck up behind me, hit me out with a pipe, or they jumped me. That's it. But everybody who know that I've given a lot of people a path. But to go back to what you were saying about Robin Harris, and I gave people a path because I wanted this type of life better. See? I remember being in L.A. County Jail. one year.
Starting point is 01:41:36 Crazy story. Tupac is next to me in one cell, the Menendez brothers. Damn. And Rick Jane. Because they was in there. And Rick Jane.
Starting point is 01:41:50 In the sink, in the same? See, in protective custody, you only in one cell. You can't see it. It was locked up with the history sham. Yeah, you can't. You can't see the other person. Right.
Starting point is 01:42:01 You just know everybody's in there. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. And that's the only time I got booed. in comedy because the niggas was feeling some kind of way they was like yo t k tell us the joke and i said niggins i'm fighting the case boo the niggas booed the niggas and the county motherfucker jail but the great show about robin harris was the best comedian ever touched
Starting point is 01:42:29 the motherfucker muckie talk for real hands down oh good you could take burney mack all those guys was good he walked circumvound the motherfucksterner. The niggas that brilliant. And on the ninth that we had Martin, Stenbad, Damon Wands, Eddie Murphy, no matter who went up and destroyed. If you was next, you had to go next and deal with that heat. You had to deal with that motherfucker heat. And we talked about we came up, and I put this to this day, we came up with the best comedy ever ever ever ever ever was un fucking believe oh you say that because Samora Cheryl Underwood Gio Hughley um Bernie Mac thin bad right canine ivy wands right you know shit Eddie Murphy alone a motherfucker rock star that so when I see people trying to be
Starting point is 01:43:27 famous today or popular I actually saw what rock star rock star and I've never seen anybody get to the level Eddie Murphy I think it was a motherfucker rock star Speaking of which, like, you come in, you just name comedy God. Like, is there any, I got to ask you this, because, you know, we all are super fans of each other, and we love to see each other just go crazy. Yes. Like, it feels good.
Starting point is 01:43:54 Yeah. Who was somebody of all the people that you've been around the scene? Who's somebody you seen doing set that you was like, my God. It's a comedian named Don Reed. Y'all don't know them. Don Reed did a set in Los Angeles, California, on 43rd and Crenshaw. To this day, the greatest stand-up set I've ever seen in my motherfucking life. It was amazing. It was magical.
Starting point is 01:44:25 He had these different characters, and he did, told his jokes, and towards the end, he brought the characters back around before the show were in, stand in ovation. But he didn't pursue comedy way he should have. Don Reed, you ever get a chance. If Don Reeve, you're still alive, that was the greatest motherfucker performance ever. Hands down. Man.
Starting point is 01:44:46 Somebody, we never heard. It's cold, you're cold as thing. It's a lot of convenience. Of all the people that he just named, he said the greatest said he ever seen was a nigga we never heard of. Yes. That's crazy. It's the same like now.
Starting point is 01:44:59 If you talk to T. You ever fuck with Charlie Burnett? Yeah, I knew Charlie very well. This is part of this stand-up, though. I know. Charlie was gifted, you know. He just said, in this life, yo, gotta be lucky. I'm talking about just life.
Starting point is 01:45:18 I did a story not too long. God said, when you wake up and why everybody should make the beds up, not because of what your parents say, everything should be in order. Because you know what's taken for granted? You may not make it back. And the reason why I bring this up, when my grandmother died, when my brother died, you all remembered how your home is left, whoever walks in there after you die.
Starting point is 01:45:39 If your place is chaotic, people are going to remember chaos. If your place is neat, you, oh, that person was a neat person. I've seen this with my own eyes. This is my actual belief. And then from hanging, I tell you, this goes back to who raised you, and then we'll get out of here. Let's go. Tupac was my good friend. Big Smalls is my good friend.
Starting point is 01:46:06 And that's why I say words are powerful, because them two talked about death. Puffy was my friend. Jay-Z was my friend. They talk about getting money and women. So I always tell people, be conscious of what you say come out of your mouth because it comes to reality. And the day Tupac died, I was with Tupac. We hung out that day.
Starting point is 01:46:30 And then I went to, I was working out, and I went and got some fat burners. Don't know why I wasn't fat, but I fucked around and got sick. We always gone to Sixth Club Sheds and all us but I detoured matter of fact I was actually in the club and I got sick in the club and I left I woke up like late on that and I mean at morning so Tupac I got shot a year later I'm with Biggie in LA we all go to glass
Starting point is 01:46:59 stones in Hollywood they go to the tattoo spot and we all go to the after party at the museum on on Fairfax Avenue I got a show at the Regency West on 43 to Crenshaw. I pulled some bitches with me, and we hopped in the SUV and I go. But I saw all the street niggers there. I said, oh, this ain't going to make it. I saw what I saw, you know, people. As I'm coming back up doing a show, I see the police out there,
Starting point is 01:47:34 and they say, TK. Too, Biggie got shot. I said, yeah, right, whatever. So I went to go hang out with Outcast on Sunset, Boulevard, they was doing a listener party. They was doing their own little party. And I used to do a lot of shows with Outcast as well. So I go up there, I perform that night with them. I go on the patio and something said,
Starting point is 01:47:56 call La Yolte. Laota was puppy's assistant at the time. So I drove the seat of Cis of Sinai. And she came out, she was crying. She said, Biggie's dad said, what? So Biggie died. on my brother's birthday and 1997 March 9th and I went and my brother's born March 9th
Starting point is 01:48:19 1960 and I called my mom I said my you know they killed Biggie and she said oh baby really I said yeah and she asked what's okay and that's that's how I um seeing all this journey so all these things taught me to be the kind of man I am today and the kind of man I I want people to remember me as not about a credit card, because it's funny and people can run with it. I want you to see a man that lived to be 66 years old, that did his thing, took care of his health, became very successful, paved the way for young comics
Starting point is 01:48:58 that's sitting here today, changed a lot of people's lives. And if I could be remembered for anything, I want to be known for that, I change your mother fucking life. Still book for another 11 years. There you go. Still book for another 11 years. Great.
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